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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome Savor Production of I Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: Stuff Media. I'm Anny Rees and I'm Lauren Local Bam

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Speaker 1: and today we're doing a redo of Pineapple Pineapple again

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Speaker 1: to more pineapple sort of. It's a it's a two

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Speaker 1: point oh because we did go to Hawaii, which you

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Speaker 1: might know, that's a lot of stuff about pineapple, a

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Speaker 1: lot of pineapple involved in their history. And yeah, we

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Speaker 1: kind of have more to say about pineapple. We do. Um,

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Speaker 1: we were just going to do it as a as

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Speaker 1: a classic and at a little bit of new info

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Speaker 1: at the top. But yeah, this was also I was

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Speaker 1: I started to listen to it, and this was just

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Speaker 1: such a super early episode and I thought that that

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Speaker 1: we could just do it better justice. It's one of

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Speaker 1: my favorites. I mean, you know, pineapple is one of

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Speaker 1: your favorites, isn't it. Yes, also that, but also the

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Speaker 1: history of this one fascinating. Oh yeah, oh my gosh. Um,

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Speaker 1: and I mean for furthermore. Yeah, like basically everyone that

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Speaker 1: It was one of those things where in the back

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Speaker 1: of my mind at least I kept thinking, wow, well

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Speaker 1: we've already done pineapple, but they're all talking about pineapple.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we should revisit pineapple. Always want to revisit pineapple. Sure, yes,

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Speaker 1: yes it's not it's not good for me, but it's

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Speaker 1: one of those things that I can't eat. Um do

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Speaker 1: do possibly to its enzyme bromelin, which which listener Aaron

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Speaker 1: hipped us to in the way back. Still need to

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Speaker 1: check on that. Apparently apparently bromlin is is broken down

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Speaker 1: by heat, which means it Canned pineapple and canned pineapple

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Speaker 1: juice are okay for some folks with a pineapple intolerance

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Speaker 1: because the canning involves heating. Um. I honestly have not

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Speaker 1: had a day yet where I was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I really feel like testing this out. That's fair that

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Speaker 1: that's a very specific day where you probably need the

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Speaker 1: whole day. Yeah alone. Yeah, not a lot going on

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Speaker 1: right nowhere to be lots of ginger just in case.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, maybe one day but maybe not, maybe not,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, so so many of our interviewees brought it up.

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Speaker 1: Taylor Kellerman actually got his start in pineapple. He was

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Speaker 1: our buddy from Coolo a ranch Um and the Cohana Distilleries,

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Speaker 1: sugarcane fields and agricole um production all happened on what

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Speaker 1: used to be a pineapple plantation, the one that Taylor

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Speaker 1: used to work on in fact, and we can we

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Speaker 1: can run a quote here if we want to. Do

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Speaker 1: you guys want to I always want to quote. So

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Speaker 1: all of the land that we're gonna walk on today

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Speaker 1: is going to be old Dolmante land. So it started

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Speaker 1: off as sugarcane back in eighteen probably seventy, maybe a

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Speaker 1: touch earlier than that. Del Monte had all of this

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Speaker 1: land down this corridor. Now it's divided up amongst some

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Speaker 1: small plot farmers and frankly a few big guys too.

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Speaker 1: Um but Delmonte has they dug out about ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: It was really big news. It's really expensive to farm

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Speaker 1: in Hawaii. Growing pineapples and the Philippines seemed like a

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Speaker 1: better idea. And the sugar industry is dead here as well.

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Speaker 1: The last milk closed in So when you think commodity

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Speaker 1: production in the world, Hawaii is not the place to

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Speaker 1: do it. Expensive labor, expensive land, and you have to

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Speaker 1: ship everything. So it's kind of a weird thing that

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Speaker 1: it ever worked, even for a little bit that was

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Speaker 1: not Taylor. But but Kyle Rittner from the Cohana Distillery

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Speaker 1: that you just heard, uh yeah, And Senator Donovan Dela

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Speaker 1: Cruz even said that he was inspired to make agricultural

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Speaker 1: policy one of his main prod checks like as a

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Speaker 1: government servant because of the pineapple industry. Um, but more

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Speaker 1: on that later. Yeah, it was just everywhere, the kind

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Speaker 1: of ghost of pineapples past and its power that it

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Speaker 1: once held in Hawaii everywhere. Yeah. I'm also you consumed

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Speaker 1: it a lot through through many cocktails and Dylan and Andrew. Um,

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Speaker 1: Harry's Hardware Emporium that elevated slushyah. Oh and the Royal Hawaiian,

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Speaker 1: the super Fancy my tie, Yes, that was good. And

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Speaker 1: the one we talked about in our Lily Coy episode.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I had pineapple in it, but it

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Speaker 1: came with a very because you had to get one

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Speaker 1: without the big garnish. Yeah, because it had this beautiful

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Speaker 1: pineapple wedge. And I had some fresh pineapple at a

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Speaker 1: farmer's market to oh my god, Oh my god, I'm

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Speaker 1: know you have a lot of things that you can't

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Speaker 1: feel pain for you because it's so good. It's all right,

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Speaker 1: I can I can smell it. Well, okay, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: the silver linings of it. I don't think it's the same,

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Speaker 1: but I I appreciate what you're trying to do. I

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Speaker 1: thank thank you. I you're welcome. Um, do just bring

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Speaker 1: us to our question. I suppose it does. Pineapple? What

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Speaker 1: is it? Well, a pineapple is the fruit of a

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Speaker 1: plant by the botanical name a nanas comosis. I think

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that right. Every pineapple is actually made up

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Speaker 1: of dozens of individual fruits that have grown and smushed

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Speaker 1: up together into a hole. The plant has long, spiky

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Speaker 1: put off ahead of a tiny red or purple flowers

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Speaker 1: which each developed into these fruits. And yeah, that's what

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Speaker 1: All the segments or like eyes on the fruit are

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Speaker 1: evidence of those individual berries that grow from the individual

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Speaker 1: flowers on the plants. A single central stem which which

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Speaker 1: becomes the core of the fruit very cool, and the

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Speaker 1: rind of the resulting fruit. Um, it's called multiple fruit.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps obvious reasons um. The rind is stiff and waxy UM,

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Speaker 1: with a small spike on each segment, and that's the

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Speaker 1: butt end of each flower um, plus a specialized leaf

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Speaker 1: called a bract. That's the little spiky bit. Yeah. Um. Also,

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Speaker 1: result is an oblong fruit with an inedible rind that's

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Speaker 1: anywhere from green to yellow to orange to reddish. When

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Speaker 1: it's ripe UM, often a combination of a couple of

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Speaker 1: those will appear in each little segment, and the flesh

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Speaker 1: inside can range in color from yellow to white, with

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Speaker 1: a juicy, stringy segments surrounding a firmer and stringier core.

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Speaker 1: The flavor is is bright to the point of almost

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Speaker 1: sharpness um and tropical um, and can range from sort

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Speaker 1: of like puckery to super sweet. Yes. Kind of has

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Speaker 1: a nice burn, yeah, like in the best way, the

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Speaker 1: me too. I've got around the same page there, um,

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Speaker 1: but you've probably only had one type of pineapple and

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Speaker 1: that is the m D two cultivar, which is a

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Speaker 1: hybrid that was developed to preserve the sweetness while lowering

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Speaker 1: the acidity and preventing browning, which was a problem for UM.

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Speaker 1: The previously most popular fresh pineapple type called smooth Cayenne.

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Speaker 1: I love that name. Smooth kay. That should be a

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Speaker 1: to me that some pineapple they were all these different

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Speaker 1: that's okay, Okay, that's sure. No manage pineapple harvesting still

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Speaker 1: kind we eat our Seedless you grow new pineapple by

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Speaker 1: importation of hummingbirds. No hummingbirds, no hummed to keep them

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Speaker 1: out those Someone else finally said it, Annie Reese doesn't

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Speaker 1: really like dogs, doesn't like hummingbirds. I am a people

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Speaker 1: pleaser all around. Also, I got some negative thoughts on

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Speaker 1: baby Yoda. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Don't don't

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Speaker 1: come at me. I've already experienced it before. Don't do it.

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Speaker 1: Oh heck, that that would be serious. I'm like, okay, Like,

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Speaker 1: like you might be allergic to them. But baby Yoda

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Speaker 1: is good and pure and perfect. You're right, I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have even joked about such a thing. I've learned a

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Speaker 1: valuable lesson here. Huh. Pineapples, though are, are apparently easy

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Speaker 1: just taken excited about pineapples, as are we. Well, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: it's for sen And we did see some two super cute,

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Speaker 1: big fronds pine pineapples. Yes, it was pretty rad. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I pick out a good pineapple? Never fear. You want

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Speaker 1: to look for one that has a green leaves and

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Speaker 1: a firm body. Um. Unlike most fruits, pineapples don't ripen

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Speaker 1: more once they've been picked, because they draw their sweetness

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Speaker 1: from there from their starch base um. Generally, though, the

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Speaker 1: sooner you eat them, the better, And if you cut

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Speaker 1: it up stored in the fridge. Yes, yeah. Nutrition wise, pineapple,

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Speaker 1: especially when fresh, is pretty healthy. It's high in vitamin

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Speaker 1: fructose though, so you know, remember relative moderation. Yeah. Oh,

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Speaker 1: the aforementioned bromelin um, that enzyme found in pineapple um

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Speaker 1: can be used as a meat tenderizer and a cut

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Speaker 1: fruit preserver um, and sometimes use as an anti inflammatory.

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Speaker 1: There aren't any studies that conclusively show that this works,

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Speaker 1: but researchers are looking into that and into bromlin's potential

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Speaker 1: cancer fighting properties. Yeah. I do find pineapple is the

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Speaker 1: So always, as always, we recommend uh doct professionals because

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Speaker 1: like shave off the spiky bits. Yeah, that's true. We

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Speaker 1: can be we can be enterprising in our own way

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Speaker 1: about those, Okay. Okay. Meanwhile, George Washington named it his

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Speaker 1: favorite tropical fruit after trying it in Barbados in one

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Speaker 1: and yes it is. Around this time in the seventeen sixties,

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Speaker 1: at the pineapple as a symbol of friendship and hospitality

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Speaker 1: became super trendy. They were on napkins, tablecloths, wallpaper, bedposts,

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Speaker 1: pineapple shaped dishes on the gate post outside residences, on

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Speaker 1: the backs of chairs, on weather veins of important public buildings,

427
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: pineapple shaped candelaberas, and pictures door knockers. In the Caribbean,

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00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: you put a pineapple or pineapple crown outside your door

429
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Speaker 1: to represent friendship what they were everywhere, and you can

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Speaker 1: still see evidence of it to this day. In fact,

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Speaker 1: since we've done this episode, I see this all the time,

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Speaker 1: all the time, and I hear they're pretty prevalent in

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Speaker 1: colonial Williamsburg. I believe the first time we did this episode,

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Speaker 1: listeners road in and confirmed that they are. There is

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Speaker 1: even a huge pineapple shaped bit of architecture in Dunmore Park, Scotland,

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00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: built in seventeen sixty one. The building that this pineapple

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00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: tops originally contained a hothouse and we very highly recommend

438
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Speaker 1: you look it up because it is a thing of beauty.

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00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: It is majestic, yes, but that's not all foods were

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Speaker 1: pressed into pineapple shapes. Non pineapple foods into pineapple shapes,

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00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: pineapple shaped cakes, cookies, candies, gelatin mole um. But that

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Speaker 1: didn't fit the alliteration. Yeah, we love we love some

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00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: in alliteration around here. All the while, your patent given

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Speaker 1: up on growing their own pineapples, and with the advent

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Speaker 1: of the hot house in the seventeenth century, pineapples could

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Speaker 1: be grown more widely in Europe. The first recorded instance

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Speaker 1: of pineapple hot houses dates back to two belonging to

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Speaker 1: the Duchess of Cleveland, from which she gifted a pineapple

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Speaker 1: to King Charles. The second, which is how that aforementioned

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Speaker 1: painting came about. I love it, but yeah, even with

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00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: hot houses, pineapples couldn't be produced on a large scale,

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Speaker 1: and the cost was still high due to all of

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Speaker 1: the equipment and labor that was required. Like so high

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Speaker 1: in fact, that just owning one of these hot houses

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Speaker 1: meant for pineapples. They were called pine earis or pineapple stoves.

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Speaker 1: By the way, um, just having one of these hot

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Speaker 1: houses became a symbol for wealth along with the physical pineapple. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the hot house symbol of wealth, the pineapple inside the

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Speaker 1: hot house. Even more, some they do look like a crown.

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Speaker 1: They do look majestic, they do. I can see it sure.

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Speaker 1: Allegedly in seventeen seventy nine, the pineapple was even used

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Speaker 1: in political discourse, with an egalitarian dissenter saying water right,

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Speaker 1: has one man to eat a pineapple for which he

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Speaker 1: gave a guinea when another is starving for want of

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Speaker 1: a halfpenny worth of bread, with his opponent's response being

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Speaker 1: how many depend for their share of the guinea paid

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Speaker 1: for the pineapple? When you shall have divided the guineas

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Speaker 1: between all of these. I think that gentlemen might eat

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Speaker 1: with a good conscience. Oh snap, I think so. It

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Speaker 1: sounds like a snap. It sounds like a snap. I

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Speaker 1: guess sure, like I could tell. That's actually a deep

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Speaker 1: question for another day. It is right, uh. In the

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Speaker 1: seventeen seventies, British captain James Cook may have planted pineapples

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Speaker 1: on various islands around the South Pacific. Most of the

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Speaker 1: accounts of how the pineapple made it to Hawaii are

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Speaker 1: probably apocryphal. One popular story puts pineapples on the islands

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Speaker 1: in the seventeen nineties, introduced there by Spanish horticulturist Francisco

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Speaker 1: at the Polo Marian. For a period, he served as

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00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: the interpreter for Kingo the First, while simultaneously experimenting was

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Speaker 1: introducing a bunch of species of plants on the islands.

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Speaker 1: His records are the first written mention of pineapple on

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Speaker 1: the islands. Quote, this day I planted pineapples and an

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Speaker 1: orange tree. Um. Some stories say that the aforementioned James

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00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: Cook brought pineapples with him in seventeen seventy eight, but

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00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 1: others say that he found them already growing there. History's mysteries. Indeed,

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00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: at any rate, pineapples were growing in the wild and

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Speaker 1: in people's gardens in Hawaii by the time American missionaries

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Speaker 1: arrived in eighteen twenty. Lutheran missionaries introduced the pineapple to

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Speaker 1: Australia in the eighteen thirties, where it still grows. As

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Speaker 1: ship speed technology improved throughout the eighteen hundreds, with cutter

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Speaker 1: ships and steam ships, pineapples were imported the Caribbean and

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Speaker 1: Central America to wealthy folks in New York City. There

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Speaker 1: was an attempt to grow them in the United States

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Speaker 1: to avoid these high shipping costs. Um They were grown

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00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: poorly in Texas and California, and then a little bit

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Speaker 1: better in Florida, starting in eighteen sixty in the Keys

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Speaker 1: and most successfully in a belt along South Florida's east

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Speaker 1: coast um stretching from Fort Pierce down to Miami through

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Speaker 1: the early twentieth century, but the plantations there wore out

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Speaker 1: the soil, and that plus South Florida's tendency to occasionally

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Speaker 1: experience frost, wiped out the crop. Yes, Also around the

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Speaker 1: eighteen sixties, pineapple from the Bahamas and Cuba was canned

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore, the canning center of America. Seriously, it was

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Speaker 1: really new and expensive technology. But the pineapples cand around

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00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: that time were picked green, which yellowed over time but

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Speaker 1: didn't actually ripen further and therefore weren't as tasty as

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Speaker 1: a real ripe. Pineapple. Technicians in Baltimore developed the machines

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Speaker 1: that core and sliced pineapple into the familiar rings. And

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Speaker 1: this brings us to one of those companies named for

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Speaker 1: a single dude, Dole. But first it brings us to

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Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and we're back, Thank you, sponsor. Yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you, and we're back with more history. Yes and

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Speaker 1: yes Dole. Okay. By this time, in the mid eighteen hundreds,

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Speaker 1: California was in the midst of a gold rush and

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00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: was importing so much pineapple from Hawaii, and this, along

516
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Speaker 1: with sugarcane, spurred the many waves of immigrants that came

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Speaker 1: to Hawaii and helped make the islands cultures what they

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Speaker 1: are today. European and American business humans found that they

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00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: needed laborers to replace the native population, which had been

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00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: rapidly dwindling due to introduced disease and other issues. Um

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00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: the indigenous population dropped from around three thousand when Cook

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Speaker 1: arrived in seventy to about seventy thousand by eighteen fifty three,

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Speaker 1: which is around when the first wave of Chinese immigrants

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Speaker 1: began arriving. But pineapple still didn't really take to the

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00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: journey overseas and frequently rotted along the way. English horticulturists

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00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: and Captain John Kidwell got the idea to can pineapple

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Speaker 1: and wine sell it in eighteen eighty two, though he

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Speaker 1: wasn't the first, and this was after he'd conducted several

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Speaker 1: experiments to find the best pineapple cultivar. Smooth Cayen was

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Speaker 1: the winner. Yeah, without Kidwell, the pineapple might never have

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Speaker 1: become as a globally popular or available as it did.

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Speaker 1: And you can check out stuff emins in history class.

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Speaker 1: They have a whole episode on the story they do.

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Speaker 1: But the U S tariff on imported fruits and exorbitant

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Speaker 1: shipping costs made it pretty much impossible for Kidwell to

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Speaker 1: make a profit and he shut down in which was

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00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: too bad for him because later that same year, the

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00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: Hawaiian Kingdom was annexed by the US after the Spanish

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00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: American War and the tariff was lifted. As we said

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Speaker 1: in our intro to Oahu episode, mostly white European and

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Speaker 1: American businessman, especially in the burgeoning and potentially massively lucrative

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Speaker 1: sugarcane and pineapple industries on the island, did not want

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Speaker 1: to have to deal with the Hawaiian monarchy, so they

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Speaker 1: pressured the king to sign the Bannet Agreement. In seven

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Speaker 1: a new constitution signed at gunpoint, and this essentially allowed

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00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: only those of certain ethnicities, mostly white people, of a

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00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: certain wealth, mostly rich people, to vote and drastically diminished

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Speaker 1: the power of the native monarchy. When Queen Liliuokalani came

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Speaker 1: to power, she attempted to replace this constitution with her own,

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Speaker 1: which didn't sit well with the businessmen benefiting from the

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Speaker 1: constitution that they had forcibly instituted. The aid of the U. S. Government,

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Speaker 1: Sanford Dole, cousin of James Dole, led a coup against

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Speaker 1: the queen. Faced with the U. S. Militia, the queen surrendered.

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Speaker 1: Sanford Dole meanwhile was appointed President of the Republic of Hawaii.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is a really intense, fascinating, tragic story. Pineapples,

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Speaker 1: or rather the agriculture barons who controlled the pineapple plantations,

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00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, not the fruit themselves had a direct hand

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00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: in overthrowing the Hawaiian monarchy. Um as US commercial interest

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00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: in local farmland increased YEP. With Kidwell's pineapple research and

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Speaker 1: canning equipment in place, the industry was easy enough to restart,

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Speaker 1: and in nineteen hundred Jim Dole, who was twenty two

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Speaker 1: years old and knew nothing about cannony, bought up sixty

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Speaker 1: ago on acres of land four growing pineapples during a

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00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: homestead expanse program in the newly annexed Republic of Hawaii.

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Speaker 1: Dole established the Hawaiian Pineapple Company in nineteen o one,

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Speaker 1: and by nineteen o three the company had produced cases

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Speaker 1: of pineapple lots of nineteens. Despite having been called by

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00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: the local press a fool hardy avenger hole. They were

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Speaker 1: very incorrect. That would be such a great review. Fools

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Speaker 1: I like savor A fool I like it u at

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Speaker 1: this time, I mean they could be forgiven for thinking

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Speaker 1: this because at this time sugarcane was king in Hawaii.

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Speaker 1: UM though um some of the Japanese immigrants who had

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Speaker 1: been out to the islands as in ventured laborers um

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00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: kind of knew what was up. They they moved from

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Speaker 1: sugarcane to the relatively more flexible pineapple industry once their

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00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: term was up in nineteen o eight, about seven point

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00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: five percent of lands occupied by pineapple were run by

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Speaker 1: folks of Japanese descent. But part of pineapple's eventual success

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00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: was just luck because sugarcane doesn't do as well at

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Speaker 1: high elevations, so that land was the land that was

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Speaker 1: given over to the homesteaders and their pineapples. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: pineapples thrive at high elevations, yes, but the pineapple still

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Speaker 1: wasn't the easiest crop, and Dole operated at a loss

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Speaker 1: for several years in the beginning, which he could weather

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00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: due to his excellent connections. Dole was very proactive in

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Speaker 1: pushing from new technologies, and in nineteen thirteen this led

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Speaker 1: to the invention of the Ganaka machine by Dole employee

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Speaker 1: Henry Ganaka. This machine could remove the skin, core, and

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Speaker 1: ends of pineapple in less than thirty seconds. In nineteen eighteen,

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Speaker 1: Doll produced one million cans of pineapple, and a slightly

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00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: improved goo knocka machine is still used to this day. Yeah.

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00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: Dole was also really good at marketing his product. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: After a market crash in seven, Dolls Company and six

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00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: other pineapple growers formed up into the Hawaiian Pineapple Growers

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Speaker 1: Association UM, and they mounted the very first generic product

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Speaker 1: ad campaign in the United States food processing industry. No

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Speaker 1: one had ever just been like pineapples eat them before.

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00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: It was always like this brand eats that specific right sure,

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Speaker 1: yeah UM, And it worked and was soon copied by

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Speaker 1: lots of other industries. By nineteen twenty, as the industry

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Speaker 1: shifted and consolidated, almost eighty eight percent of the small

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Speaker 1: pineapple farms were Japanese run. These were largely bought out

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Speaker 1: by the big companies. Over the next few decades, like Dole,

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00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: by his business had taken off, and by Dole was

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00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: packing more pineapple than anyone else in the business. The

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00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: pineapple was Hawaii's biggest industry. And I remember when we

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Speaker 1: interviewed Hawaiian Senator Donovan Della Cruz, he said pineapple juice

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00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: ran in his veins. I think partially because he ate

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00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: so much as a good but but but mostly because

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00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: he grew up surrounded by the industry, including his family

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Speaker 1: having worked in it for two generations. During the nineteen twenties,

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00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: eating pineapple was perceived as a bit of a fad,

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00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: spawning culinary trends like the pineapple upside down cake, pineapple

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00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: upside down cake um and this was probably also partially

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Speaker 1: due to UM the boom in air freight in the

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00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties, which made shipping much quicker and easier, though

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00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: it wouldn't become fully widespread until after World War Two.

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Speaker 1: The industry took a hit during the Great Depression which

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00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: started It got so bad that James Dole was forced

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Speaker 1: to resign as president of the Hawaiian Pineapple Company in

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Speaker 1: nineteen thirty two. However, the Hawaiian Pineapple Company's development of

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Speaker 1: technology to produce high quality canned pineapple juice in e

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00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: would help make up for some of those losses. Juice

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00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: sales surged over the next couple of decades, and that

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Speaker 1: boom of pineapple juice sales in UH in the nineteen

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Speaker 1: thirties may have had to do with prohibition ending that

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Speaker 1: year and with the rise of tiki bar culture starting

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Speaker 1: in ninety four, because that's when Don Beach born Ernest

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Speaker 1: Raymond Beaumont Gant returned from room running in the South

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Speaker 1: Pacific and opened Don's Beachcomer Cafe in California, which became

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Speaker 1: the its spot for Hollywood Royalty, and UM started a

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Speaker 1: fad for all things vaguely and or offensively Polynesian themed

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Speaker 1: UM that would stretch through the early nineteen seventies and

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Speaker 1: employ a large number of pineapples. Yes, Yes, can hear

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Speaker 1: more about that in our My Entai episode? Absolutely yeah.

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Speaker 1: Though Doll is the most profitable accounting for pineapples for

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Speaker 1: the next seven decades. By the nineteen fifties, eight other

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Speaker 1: companies had taken note from Doll's success and set up

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Speaker 1: shop in Hawaii. A series of reords and consolidations helped

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Speaker 1: Doll along. Yes. After World War Two, the pineapple industry

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Speaker 1: spread to places like Thailand and the Philippines, where the

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Speaker 1: labor costs were way lower, like nine tents lower. Um

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, exploitation of overseas populations with fewer labor laws.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but okay. So as a result, the Hawaiian

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Speaker 1: pineapple industry saw significant decline by the nineteen sixties, leading

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Speaker 1: to lots more consolidations. Those finally ended in the company

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Speaker 1: becoming Doll in nine But despite attempts to innovate around

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Speaker 1: canning and shipping a fresher product. Doll's Cannery and Honolulu

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00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: closed in and del Monte left Hawaii in two eight.

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Speaker 1: Most pineapple production in Hawaii today is to satisfy local demand.

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Speaker 1: UM and cuisines on the islands still regularly feature pineapple. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you kind of a joke that it came up at

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Speaker 1: least three times where it's when we were interviewing with say,

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Speaker 1: you put pineapple on something, and people immediately assume it's

656
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Speaker 1: Hawaiian and nut's not true and that's not how we eat.

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Speaker 1: Although although Andrew did have a pizza that had that

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Speaker 1: had a colo pig and arugula and some kind of

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Speaker 1: barbecue marinary base and pineapple and it was good. It

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Speaker 1: was delicious. Yeah, that was it. That was at Moku.

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Speaker 1: Everything there was delicious. And yeah. That brings us to

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Speaker 1: today more or less and to an important discussion that

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Speaker 1: we have to have here, which is the environmental impact

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Speaker 1: of commercial pineapple production. So UM, the problems created by

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Speaker 1: growing pineapple commercially all revolve around the fact that it's

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Speaker 1: easiest to grow as a monoculture, meaning that you wipe

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Speaker 1: out everything else and just grow that For acres and

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Speaker 1: acres and akers um, and if the industry collapses as

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Speaker 1: it did on Hawaii, it's difficult to switch over those

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Speaker 1: field to supporting other crops because pineapple doesn't need as much,

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Speaker 1: if any, irrigation, so you have to create a whole

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Speaker 1: new infrastructure. Um. We've mentioned Senator Dela Cruz a couple

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Speaker 1: of times in this episode, and he started our interview

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Speaker 1: with him unprompted, talking about this issue. So, I'm Donovan

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Speaker 1: Dela Cruz Aloha. I'm in the State Senate. I've been

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Speaker 1: in the State Senate since two thousand ten, and I

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Speaker 1: represent Central Oahu which is Waihiwa Milani Malka and it

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Speaker 1: it's we're all. We're doll first started. So when I

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Speaker 1: grew up, there were seven thousand acres of pineapple land

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Speaker 1: and Central o Wahu. What was it like growing up

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Speaker 1: with with that, with that weird culture. So it was

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Speaker 1: it was a norm for us. I mean, we saw

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Speaker 1: pine My grandparents came from the Philippines to pick pineapple.

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Speaker 1: My dad worked on in the field during the summer

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Speaker 1: when he was growing up. So it's it's difficult to

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Speaker 1: see that Hawaii hasn't really transitioned into a a much

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Speaker 1: larger diversified agricultural society from pineapple and sugar. And so,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's potential, there's some land that

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Speaker 1: has been lost because of development. But it's not that

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Speaker 1: easy just taking pineapple land and turning him into the

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Speaker 1: versified egg because pineapple requires a different kind of infrastructure. Um,

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Speaker 1: what are some of the projects and initiatives that you

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00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: do a lot of work in environmental and agricultural policy.

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Speaker 1: What are some of the projects you're working on right now?

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Speaker 1: So every since I got to the Senate, and before

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Speaker 1: I was in the Senate, I was on the Hole

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Speaker 1: City Council. So when I was on the council, the

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Speaker 1: city dedicated funds to purchase some egg land in partnership

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Speaker 1: with the state and the army. So we bought abouts

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Speaker 1: of egg land that was once del Monty Land, the

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Speaker 1: Monty Pineapple which is right next to the do Land.

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Speaker 1: And we actually finalize that purchase in two thousand twelve,

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Speaker 1: even though we budgetated for it in two thousand eight,

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Speaker 1: so it took four years. And since then I've added

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00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: more and more money to the budget, and so now

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Speaker 1: we're at about pineapple land now in the state's ownership.

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Speaker 1: But we also have to put in money for water infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: So once we just we have the land, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean they can farment right away. So we got because

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Speaker 1: pineapple didn't need water. It was a familiad rain candle

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00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: by and so now when you do diversified egg you

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Speaker 1: have to put money in for water infrastructure. So we're

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Speaker 1: looking at a variety of solutions. One solution is actually

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Speaker 1: recycling water that is in a nearby lake. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: there are things that can be done to help agriculture

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Speaker 1: recover from this kind of farming practice, but that's for

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Speaker 1: areas that are moving on from pineapple. Another thing about

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00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: mono cropping is that it means eliminating all other ants

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Speaker 1: in the area with herbicides. Bugs and molds are a

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00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: problem too, so add pesticides and fungicides to the mix.

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Speaker 1: In the final product, you know, your your final pineapple.

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00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: These substances come through as legally allowable residues, but they

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Speaker 1: can be disastrous to the local humans and the whole ecosystem.

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Speaker 1: And this is why the pineapple is one of those

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Speaker 1: stories of a lack of corporate concern for environmental and

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00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: worker conditions in the face of expanding profits. Those chemicals

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Speaker 1: used on pineapples in their largest supplying country at Costa

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Speaker 1: Rica are in fact illegal to who's in Europe and

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00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: other parts of the world due to their links to cancer,

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Speaker 1: hormone disruption, and other chronic illnesses in local populations, and

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Speaker 1: as of two thousand seven, the Costa Rican government had

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Speaker 1: to start importing water in tankers because the groundwater was

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Speaker 1: deemed unsafe and the worker conditions UM Again in Costa Rica,

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Speaker 1: there have been reports of undocumented immigrants from Nicaragua filling

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Speaker 1: upwards of six of the pineapple plantation jobs. You know,

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Speaker 1: the labor is hard and the conditions are dangerous due

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Speaker 1: to chemical exposure, but as the immigrants aren't citizens, they

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Speaker 1: can't participate in local unions and other efforts to assert

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Speaker 1: worker rights. Similar things have gone on in the Philippines,

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Speaker 1: particularly on dull plantations, and in Costa Rica, citizens who

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Speaker 1: have fought for better conditions have sometimes met with forceful

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Speaker 1: resistance UM, mass firings and even rehirings with poorer contracts

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00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: that exclude union members and UM, and even threats UM

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00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: suspected beatings in arson. So that's not no UM, but

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00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: you can do stuff to help buy fair trade certified

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00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: fruit if you can find it. UM. Crops with that

747
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: labeling are more likely to have been growning conditions that

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00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: prevent the need for heavy chemical use through practices like

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00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: prop rotation. UM. And this is where some folks would

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00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: also recommend buying organic. That's the term that honestly doesn't

751
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: have a strong enough legal meaning here in the United States.

752
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: To make for sure in packed, we'll have to do

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00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: a whole other depressive episode of that. We've been kind

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00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: of avoiding it. I mean, if it makes you feel

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00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: better by organic, yeah, yeah. Um. Agriculture is well complicated, y'all,

756
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: very much, is it is? And a lot of the

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Speaker 1: laws around it also very complicated. Yep, yep, yep. We've

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Speaker 1: had the pleasure of discussing some of those laws in

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00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: this episode and in most of our episodes, learning so

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00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: much legal scholars that's what we are. Oh, absolutely, you

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00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: can tell. I'm sure comes through. Well, that's a lot

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00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: to say about the pineapple, yes, but all of it

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Speaker 1: is really fascinating, weird important stuff. Yes, and it's I

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Speaker 1: just gotta go get one and carried around. Gosh, what

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00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 1: a beautiful, beautiful, weird thing. People are so fascinating. I say,

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Speaker 1: I say, brig into your to your New Year's party. Yes,

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00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: hello twenties, I brought a pineapple. Oh, thank you, Loyd.

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Speaker 1: You're very welcome, and you know what, thanks to to

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Speaker 1: the listeners for checking out this our first of a redux. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we hope that you have wonderful holidays. Whatever you

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Speaker 1: celebrate or don't celebrate, just relax, be safe, be happy.

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Speaker 1: If you like carry a pineapple around, please totally carry pineapple.

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Speaker 1: Take a picture, send it in. We need we need

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Speaker 1: your your hot pineapple stylens. Yes, the hot stylence of

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00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: the pineapple. They are very I noticed they're on a

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Speaker 1: lot of clothing. Yeah, and since I've come out with

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00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: my love of pineapples, I've got like a little purse

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00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: and another little purse and shirt with them on it,

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00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: coat with them on it, there, the whole thing. So

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Speaker 1: so there you go. Yes, if you would like to

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Speaker 1: email us your your pictures of pine apples and you

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00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: probably carrying them around, you can. Our email is hello

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00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: at favor pod dot com. We're also on social media.

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Speaker 1: You can you can tag us uh in your pineapple pictures. There.

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Speaker 1: We're at savor pod on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, and

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00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: we do hope to hear from you. Savor is a

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio and Stuff Media. For more

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Speaker 1: podcasts from my heart Radio, you can visit the iHeart

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Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your

790
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,479
Speaker 1: favorite shows. Thanks as always to our super producers Dylan

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00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: Fagan and Andrew Howard. Thanks to you for listening, and

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00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: we hope that lots more good things are coming your way.