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Speaker 1: HOODI who everyone, This is your weekly show update. If

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Speaker 1: you are in New York City, you can see me

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Speaker 1: George Severis do an hour of stand up comedy at

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Speaker 1: the legendary Joe's Pub on November fourteenth and November twenty fifth,

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Speaker 1: and the first show is almost sold out, but there

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Speaker 1: are a few tickets left for the second one. It

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Speaker 1: is a genuine dream come true to do Joe's Pub,

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Speaker 1: so I would really love to see some glamour girls

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Speaker 1: in the crowd. And you can get tickets to both

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Speaker 1: of those shows at Publictheater dot org. And if you're

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Speaker 1: in the beautiful Canadian city of Toronto, we are at

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Speaker 1: long last doing a Stradio Lab Toronto show on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: November twenty third at the Paradise Theater and tickets to

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Speaker 1: that show are available in our Instagram bio and on

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Speaker 1: linktree dot com slash Stradio Lab. And there, I have

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Speaker 1: to say, already going fast, so I would act now

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Speaker 1: enjoy the show.

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Speaker 2: Podcast starts now. Welcome all to Stradio Lab live from

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Speaker 2: New York City.

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Speaker 1: I just started a black coffee at eleven fifty am.

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Speaker 2: I love it about to be souring well, I want

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Speaker 2: to tell you something coffee related, since we're on coffee

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Speaker 2: right now, you know, coffee chat, since we're on coffee chat.

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Speaker 2: As we all know, I've been living in LA for

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Speaker 2: the last six months, and one feeling that I forgot

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Speaker 2: buzz on your phone and being like what do I do?

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Speaker 2: And it's like, what if it's important? And it's like

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Speaker 2: it never is, but it's like I want nothing more

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Speaker 2: than for the next forty five minutes, all I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: So much of living New York is balancing various things

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Speaker 3: And it really is.

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Speaker 1: It's actually like there's such a romance to it because

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Speaker 1: like phone, water bottle. I refuse to wear AirPods. It's

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Speaker 1: wired headphones that are just trailing behind me. You know,

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Speaker 1: tote bag where both straps are falling off. Then you're

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Speaker 1: door for someone. Then that person is like rude to

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Speaker 1: you then so they use they had to flap them off.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, yes, I mean the way that a tote bag.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I've said this on the pod,

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Speaker 2: La people there do not use them. If you bring

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Speaker 2: them around, people are like, are you moving? It's like

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Speaker 2: one of the weirder things.

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Speaker 1: I have had a realization recently that I'm a huge

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Speaker 1: tote bag gay sure, and I've had a realization recently

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Speaker 1: I have to it would do so much more for

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Speaker 2: But you'd lose your humanity or.

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Speaker 1: Would I gain a sense of sort of authority, a

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Speaker 1: sense of gravitas like I imagine me in like a gorgeous,

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the difference between you and I, because

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Speaker 2: with the people like to me, the tote bag is

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Speaker 2: what shows people like I'm a member of this community

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Speaker 2: and I'm not trying to get ahead of you guys, But.

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Speaker 1: You know how the tote bag I always care around

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Speaker 1: is my London Review of Books tute bag, which is

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Speaker 1: literally me signaling I.

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Speaker 2: Read I read, yeah, No, I get it. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: I've this is a general thing where I was like,

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Speaker 1: I bought genes that actually fit me rather than being

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Speaker 1: like a businessman now.

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Speaker 2: Oh Like, but it doesn't feel like an age thing

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Speaker 1: No, I think it actually feels there's something about like

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Speaker 2: But but you lose your edge.

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Speaker 1: No, I know it's true.

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Speaker 2: I've been feeling very I'm staying in Bushwick while I'm

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Speaker 1: Now yeah, I know, all of a sudden we both

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Speaker 1: and Garry Bushwick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which should we ring?

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Speaker 1: Ye our guest, I'm ready, I say. We have been

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Speaker 2: On for please introduce, Please introduce.

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Speaker 1: I just think she's one of the funniest people alive.

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Speaker 1: And I want to say also, just a real performers

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Speaker 3: It's lost, it's art.

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Speaker 1: I agree, and so I please welcome to the podcast, Charlie.

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Speaker 3: You see, I'm really glad that I didn't miss that

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Speaker 1: No, I feel like ten minutes late is the most

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Speaker 3: It's like, I have to explain it, but the train

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Speaker 3: with something like a scoff like ugh, because I and

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Speaker 3: right away I must give away a lot. I'm not

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Speaker 3: actually a podcast gay not typically No, I give good podcast.

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Speaker 3: before for like a virgin An iHeart production. But I

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Speaker 3: So de facto what we're doing, we're replacing the am

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Speaker 3: people flapping their gums at me. Totally, So, I have

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Speaker 3: to say that I had not really done my due

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Speaker 3: diligence for Stradio Lab until I was on a very

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Speaker 3: And I know that especially it's and now we're the

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Speaker 3: levity tote bags, the difference between LA and New York.

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Speaker 3: Now I can say, hi, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: What an honor to such a clear way is and

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Speaker 2: always such a great feeling.

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Speaker 1: At the particular in the second recording of the day,

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Speaker 1: we are hard on each other.

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Speaker 3: You know, and you start reusing words habitually. I know

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Speaker 3: Joe didn't throw any sat words at us, so I'm

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Speaker 3: probably in the clear, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know that when I get stressed, it's like

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Speaker 1: an animal, like when it's scared, it starts using big words.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And my my stress reaction is just like talking

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Speaker 2: about things that make me horny. Yeah, Like it's like

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Speaker 2: of did last episode. Actually, that's true.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about how well we can't go into

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Speaker 3: That's what Joe Castle baker And well that.

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Speaker 2: Was not his topic, but it was something that one

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Speaker 3: No. I met her over a decade ago when she

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Speaker 3: drag game under the name Michelle Brunch. Joe is still

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Speaker 3: one of my favorites. Yeah, do you know this?

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Speaker 2: I think I maybe knew that he had done it,

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Speaker 2: A little bit, wow, said Charlie.

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Speaker 1: You one time had a tweet many years ago which

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Speaker 1: I'm going to Butcher, which was like gay guys asked

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Speaker 1: me all the time, Charlene, we've met before, why don't

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Speaker 1: It's actually such a perfect response because it's like, I

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Speaker 3: Like grow some tits or something.

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Speaker 1: Yes, literally do something like get a dangly earring, dangle

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Speaker 3: Have me on a podcast, that's right, you'll do your research.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I would say I the thing with

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Speaker 2: like because I also like, I'm horrible at responding to texts,

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Speaker 1: And then the one time you'll have a thought, you'll

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get a little peeved that I can't interject.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: And then I've always wondering why your guests didn't think,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, why can't they fucking think? And here I

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Speaker 3: First my little alarm clock.

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Speaker 1: I was like, so, wait, I have a question, what

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Speaker 1: is your normal sleeping schedule? Oh, you know you're a

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Speaker 3: Yeah girl, Yeah, a night life girl, so to speak,

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Speaker 3: normal sleeping schedule. What's normal?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. My circadian rhythms all fucked up. I

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Speaker 3: I feel cozy as a and snug as a buget rug.

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Speaker 1: No, no, well, because Broadway is Broadway is the most

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Speaker 2: It's literally that meme with the line with the lines

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Speaker 1: Should we do her for a segment?

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Speaker 2: Do Let's okay, perfect, Tarlie. In our first segment is

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Speaker 3: I'm choosing a preference. I'm saying what comes to question?

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Speaker 3: Oh shit, okay, okay, Charlene, I'm talking for a few Okay, sorry, Charlene.

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Speaker 1: Diving into the deep blue sea or suffering from adult ADHD.

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Speaker 3: Which is more gay the diving for sure. The ADHD thing.

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Speaker 2: Hoasting friends giving or toasting to French living.

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Speaker 1: Panic at the disco or being mannic in San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ye, okay. Cancel culture or juicy cutoor.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Double Jeopardy Doubles, Tennis, double penetration or Dublin Ireland.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with tennis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I never met at tennis playing gay.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's put him in that, because really I've only

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Speaker 2: It's the new thing, an old soul, or a loose hole.

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Speaker 1: Shooting, buying a cyber truck, or finding a guy to fuck.

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Speaker 3: The straighter of the two is probably finding a guide

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Speaker 3: Okay, and I know Queen's on wait lists for that

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Speaker 2: Being sleepy and wanting a Macha latte or touching something

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Speaker 3: Machi Macha latte has rainbows coming out of the steam.

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Speaker 3: So the other although I'm not even sure I remember

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think Charlene did? I think Charlene really

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Speaker 2: Yes, so I'm gonna go nine.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how do you feel?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like I've been found out because

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Speaker 3: No. I mean like I was driving and smoking pot

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Speaker 1: Know, man, I love it that that was iconic.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's so clearly see us at the beginning. And

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Speaker 2: I was like, this is actually that was.

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Speaker 3: Not a preference. It is a preference or like what

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Speaker 1: The whole sort of point of it is that it

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Speaker 3: I am just to jumble up my bullet points for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly, I do.

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Speaker 1: I am curious about your assertion that there are no

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Speaker 3: I think it's because I well, you you live in

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Speaker 1: It's like you know, I think a lot of them

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Speaker 1: There is this I'm realizing now. Maybe it's all one

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Speaker 2: posts about it a lot, is it? Well?

439
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Speaker 3: I know, Okay, Well, there's there's a suspicion I have

440
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Speaker 3: that these guys are actually would be or will be

441
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Speaker 3: trans women. What you know that like myself hetero?

442
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like I actually I think there's something

443
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Speaker 1: to what you're saying, Like tennis is a very elegant

444
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Speaker 1: feminine right, like you want to be Zindia. Yes, of course,

445
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Speaker 1: Well I'll look out for that.

446
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Speaker 3: There's a feminine affect that's associated with homosexuality. I'm trying

447
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 3: in this day and age just sort of like sad.

448
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Speaker 3: You know, we've done a lot of work in our

449
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Speaker 3: lifetimes to separate gender and sexuality. You know, we even

450
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Speaker 3: like if you were to take if you were to

451
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Speaker 3: take a class on it when we were that age,

452
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Speaker 3: they might insist, yes, I am growing up in this

453
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Speaker 3: in this city, in this world, and this sexual orientation.

454
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Speaker 3: I'm inclined to disagree. I think they're more the more informed,

455
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Speaker 3: really other hearer, I completely agree.

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Speaker 1: This is one of those things that always I remember,

457
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Speaker 1: like when we were in college, and it would be

458
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Speaker 1: like the person that works at the LGBT center comes

459
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Speaker 1: and gives a talk and it's like trans one on

460
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Speaker 1: one and gay one on one, and like how does

461
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Speaker 1: it all work? And then people will be like, okay,

462
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Speaker 1: misconception number one, gender is the same as sexuality, so

463
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Speaker 1: the reason that's not true. Yeah, and then they would

464
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Speaker 1: like do this whole thing and you'd be like, wait

465
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Speaker 1: a minute, our whole thing here is smashing binaries and

466
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Speaker 1: you are insisting on this boundary between gender and sexuality.

467
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Speaker 1: Whyder you're look in the mirror, Chica.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like, uh, you know, before you come

469
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Speaker 3: out of the closet and you hear that statistic of

470
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Speaker 3: like you're like, I am I am a ten percent statistic.

471
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Speaker 3: It's that one in ten when every ten. And then

472
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Speaker 3: you come out of the closet and you start getting

473
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Speaker 3: the and you start realizing registering the eyes that are

474
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Speaker 3: coming your way, and you're like, ooh, it's actually might

475
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Speaker 3: be quite a bit more than that. We might be

476
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Speaker 3: talking about like openly practicing gay people or maybe one intent,

477
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Speaker 3: and then in your lived experience it's more like eight

478
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Speaker 3: or nine.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I will say ninety percent of people I

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Speaker 2: know are gay.

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Speaker 3: Right where you're a coast as well.

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Speaker 1: It's also like I'm sure the one intent thing is

483
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Speaker 1: like some study that was published in nineteen seventy nine,

484
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Speaker 1: right that like was put in Time magazine. Someone read

485
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Speaker 1: it and then it was like, oh, that's the thing.

486
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Speaker 1: It's like how people are like, one glass of red

487
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Speaker 1: wine is good for you. No, it's not. But someone

488
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Speaker 1: just said that.

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Speaker 2: Well now they took it back. Actually they took it back.

490
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Speaker 1: But we're like back when people said that, like dark

491
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Speaker 1: chocolate is good for you.

492
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just like I love studies like that.

493
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Speaker 3: It's anything dark.

494
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Chocolate and the wine. They both come with a lot

496
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Speaker 3: of sugar, which apparently I don't know cancels it out.

497
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Speaker 3: I do both.

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Speaker 1: Still, well, there's something about knowing that one glass of

499
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Speaker 1: wine is not good for you. We're like, oh, then

500
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Speaker 1: I might as well have seven.

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Speaker 2: I mean no, I literally have like convinced myself to

502
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Speaker 2: kill a soda are good for.

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Speaker 3: Also, it's like the glass, it's not a unit, and

504
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: everyone's like, how many cuts of coffee did you have?

505
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Speaker 3: How many tabs of acid did you do? I'm like,

506
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Speaker 3: I got those are not units, like the actual what

507
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Speaker 3: we're what we're talking about, Like if I have a gigantic,

508
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Speaker 3: big gulf. I still had one cup of coffee.

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Speaker 2: I mean beer and shot as one drink.

510
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Speaker 3: Well obviously, I mean if it's a standard shot that

511
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Speaker 3: is a unit and the beer is twelve ounces.

512
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Speaker 1: So I yeah, you know, it's funny to say that

513
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Speaker 1: about tequila soda. I recently no reason convince myself getting

514
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Speaker 1: a gent tonic is healthier than getting a tequila sota.

515
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Speaker 1: There's literally no scientific basis to it. But I'm literally like,

516
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Speaker 1: if I'm in a healthy mood, I'm like, you know

517
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Speaker 1: what I'll do.

518
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Speaker 3: Wait, let's see here. There is so gin is essentially

519
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: it's it's vodka. It's a Juniper Berry's T shirt in

520
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Speaker 3: it is like it's like seeped with the juniper berry.

521
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Speaker 3: There's your lead. If the juniper berry itself is medicinal, yes,

522
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Speaker 3: or if you can find some witches who say that

523
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: it is, you can you can work with you can

524
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Speaker 3: work the proof of that theory.

525
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Speaker 1: I love that.

526
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing.

527
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Speaker 1: Okay, surely, and uh not to once again change course,

528
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Speaker 1: but I'm so desperate to get on the topic that,

529
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, make you just get right back into it.

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Speaker 3: Let's I brought up the statistics thing for a reason

531
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Speaker 3: though it was like a punctuation and maybe even another

532
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Speaker 3: seg way too. Oh no, the thing about one inten,

533
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Speaker 3: the thing about yes, yes, yeah, Okay, so we've got

534
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Speaker 3: tennis playing gays. You find out as you as you

535
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Speaker 3: travel down the rabbit hole of queerness that not only

536
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Speaker 3: are you dealing with a sampling of straight people who

537
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Speaker 3: are lying about being gay, and we're actually dealing with

538
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Speaker 3: nine or ten, eight or eight, nine or ten out

539
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Speaker 3: of ten people who are actually somewhat queer. You you

540
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Speaker 3: you take those one, you take the sampling of that

541
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Speaker 3: one inten, we have a new population, the one intent

542
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Speaker 3: the gay people, the like queers within that one, within

543
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Speaker 3: that ten percent. We're also dealing with a skewed statistic

544
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Speaker 3: because we have the belief that trans people are like

545
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Speaker 3: marginalized or like fewer in numbers than the like, big

546
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Speaker 3: bad cisc gay man. Really the numbers are about the same.

547
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 3: You're dealing with a whole population of gay men who,

548
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Speaker 3: if you know, if things were different in our society

549
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 3: or whatever, eight or nine probably would be women if

550
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Speaker 3: they chose so. I would be willing to bet that

551
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Speaker 3: your tennis playing gays are trans. Yeah, probably Wow, probably

552
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Speaker 3: wouldn't like es. Actually, what we're doing is like changing

553
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: ourselves into gorgeous women, yes, from gay men into gorgeous women,

554
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: not all of us. There's a oh my god. When

555
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: I figured out that trans dykes were a thing, my

556
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: mind was blown. You mean someone into women who wants

557
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 3: to do all of this, couldn't imagine right sexuality thing.

558
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, our topic, yes, is as we were talking about earlier.

560
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Speaker 3: Of course, we have to know this is this is

561
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Speaker 3: not an episode of Gadio Lab that's right, which is

562
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Speaker 3: a phrase I know having done my research.

563
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Speaker 1: Well, yes, we've had two Gadea Web guests, Macy and and.

564
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Speaker 3: Let's However, I must insist that even that this is

565
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Speaker 3: an episode of Stradio yeb, I must insist that my

566
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Speaker 3: the corner of straight culture that we must choose the

567
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Speaker 3: fat on right now is theater in New York.

568
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Speaker 2: Yes, this is obviously an interesting and controversial topic because

569
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Speaker 2: people will say, well, theater that's gay. Absolutely What would

570
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Speaker 2: you say to those people?

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Speaker 3: It was, Yeah, it was. It was in the glory days,

572
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Speaker 3: and it has phases. It's a lot like pop music

573
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: in that way, which is something a little more palatable

574
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Speaker 3: to our non coastal elite listeners to understand we have

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Speaker 3: we have the aughts in pop music. We've got Beyonce

576
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: wearing denim on the red carpet. We have a boring

577
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: era from like I don't know too that by the

578
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Speaker 3: time you know Britain, Brittany losing it, between Brittany losing

579
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Speaker 3: it and of course Lady Gaga coming along, you're talking

580
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Speaker 3: about the k Denham on Well, Katy Perry counts with.

581
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Speaker 1: Oh, Katie starts absolutely, so we're talking like seven to

582
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Speaker 1: twelve or something.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I'm marking Gaga as a return

584
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Speaker 3: of gay pop. We had a drab era. We had

585
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Speaker 3: really drab era. We had the Ashley Simpson catastrophe which

586
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 3: now nowadays autobiography. I'm like, she's back a huge but see,

587
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: because pop music is gay again. We had a Lady

588
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: Gaga burst onto the scene and all the girls found

589
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: out that people like it if you put flower pots

590
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 3: on your head again, and so ergo, pop music is

591
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: gay again. We had fabulous clothes, we had dance beats.

592
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: We were in and then of course we'd start going away.

593
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: We got Lady Gaga wearing a cowboy hat. We don't

594
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: we got the twing twang in and the yeehah, and

595
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: we've got people infiltrating the works who are not necessarily

596
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 3: Nowadays we have full it's a way. What's what I'm

597
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Speaker 3: What's what I'm trying to say is that even though

598
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Speaker 3: gay guys are into it all the time, hm, it's

599
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Speaker 3: not necessarily gay all the time. In today's era in

600
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Speaker 3: theater in New York City, we are witnessing a shift

601
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Speaker 3: back into gay theater. However, we have been in a

602
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Speaker 3: drought an era in the past. In our tenure as

603
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Speaker 3: gay New Yorkers, we've mostly been in an era where

604
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Speaker 3: theater in New York is consumed by and participated in,

605
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Speaker 3: and the creative slant is really a lot, really really straight.

606
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Speaker 3: In my opinion, actually can't.

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Speaker 2: This is like very smart, yeah, because I've never thought

608
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Speaker 2: of It's one of those things where like because it's

609
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: such a like stereotype, it's like theater is gay, theater

610
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: is gay, you like forget to examine it as something straight.

611
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: And I am thinking, like, no one I know is

612
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: like going to musicals regularly, Like like you are the

613
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Speaker 2: only person I know that like goes to place and

614
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: like the plays are generally like, yes, there's always like

615
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Speaker 2: one play that's for like cool Brooklyn people like, but like,

616
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Speaker 2: but most of it, ninety percent of it is for

617
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: like people from Long Island coming to visit on yeah,

618
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Speaker 2: like Christmas morning. So I love.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to express this to Charlian before we record.

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Speaker 2: I love.

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Speaker 1: I love theater, and I love going to the theater.

622
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Speaker 1: What I struggle with and have struggled with historically is

623
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Speaker 1: the Broadway musical. And I think I can most relate

624
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: to what you're saying in terms of, like just the

625
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: influx of terrible IP based Yeah, like Legally Blonde, the musical,

626
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: Mean Girls, the musical Matilmo's like, just it is just constant.

627
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: I mean the one I was just mentioning Outsiders, which

628
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: actually was pretty good. But it's just it's this like

629
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Speaker 1: Disney marvelification of Broadway, and it almost seems like the

630
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: business model is one of like venture capital or something like.

631
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Speaker 1: It's like you can imagine people in a board meeting

632
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: being like, Okay, we're gonna combine people love three things.

633
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: They love Hillary Clinton, Yeah, they love you know, uh,

634
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: Sex and the City, and they love Marvel. What can

635
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: we do that combines all three and it sucks.

636
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah sort of.

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00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: It's like it's this kind of like artless paint by numbers,

638
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: like calculation for what the crowd will want.

639
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: It really is like disrespectful to what a musical could

640
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: be writing, because it is just like it's like it's

641
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: as if someone hates musical theater and is making a musical.

642
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: They're like, what, you just put songs and something we

643
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: already like, sure, do that, yeah, and it's like, well,

644
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: shouldn't you, as the like producer of Broadway, like have

645
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: a bigger vision? Shouldn't you care more? Like sure, I

646
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: can be a bit about it and be like, oh yeap,

647
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: take some shitty moving and put a song in it. Yeah.

648
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Speaker 1: Also, the price, I would say, adds the straitness because

649
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: you were talking, this is something that should be an

650
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Speaker 1: art for the people. An art form for the people

651
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: is the most exclusive thing in New York. The most

652
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: including thing in York is seeing Book of Mormon.

653
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it should it shouldn't be that way.

654
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: We're supposed to be the ones with the disposable income.

655
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: That's true, yeah, you know, prohibitively expensive. Yeah, but I

656
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: mean the game ones are even more so these days.

657
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: I just think it's like it's it's like we didn't

658
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: even realize it was happening. There was a glory days

659
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: in the dark days of pop that I was just

660
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: talking about. We were in the glory days of theater

661
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: in New York City. We had we had we had

662
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 3: the John Doyle Broadway productions. Those were two Broadway Sondheim

663
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: revivals wherein the band was on stage and compromises that

664
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: players themselves.

665
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: Was that the Company One.

666
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: Company in two thousand and six, and then I believe

667
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 3: it was after that that the Sweeney Todd Yes, I

668
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: don't know which one.

669
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: I don't know much about the Sweeney tip One, but

670
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: the Company One is like was huge in my like

671
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: finally understanding some time is that album? Oh yeah, and

672
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm and And then I went and saw the company

673
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: they did last year and I was like shocked.

674
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, girl. Yeah, it's frustraight people.

675
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: Now, you know, it's also funny, like to do a

676
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: gender to do a gender flip company, right, something you

677
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: would think is on paper, you're like, oh, that's quote

678
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: unquote queer quote unquote different, and then it ends up

679
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: being more straight.

680
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 3: And the and the press thinks it was fabulous. Yes

681
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 3: they do, they do. But if you have any card

682
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 3: carrying homosexual who knows their shit, who you talked to,

683
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: who saw that production? Ugh, there we go, finally a scoff.

684
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 3: I don't know whose idea it was. And also, by

685
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: the way, Sondheim himself a gay guy, yes blocked and

686
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: a gay rendering of company back in the day and

687
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 3: approved of this one, which I just think, Oh, it's

688
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: so suspect to me. I don't know who thought of

689
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 3: that character as a woman, But I don't want to

690
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: go to the theater and see three men say that

691
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 3: a woman is crazy in an upbeat sing song. I

692
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 3: don't need it in my life, like I don't need

693
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 3: the So the character Bobby, she's turning thirty five years old,

694
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: and they turn it into this whole biological clock thing.

695
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, is being miserable and alone not enough anymore?

696
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 3: That's they have to also be barren. No, seriously, it's

697
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: not just like I don't want to be alone. It's like, oh,

698
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: I want to bear a child, and they have all

699
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 3: these thirty fives in this staging. Oh, it was just horrendous.

700
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 3: And also that mark at the end of Act one

701
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 3: that she had to hit this mark. It must have

702
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: been a dime on the stage to have a single

703
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: panel of rain following her at the end of Mary

704
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 3: Meal Litter a little the uh, the final number in

705
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: act one, which I think saw him just put in

706
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 3: there because we have to have an intermission. That song

707
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 3: is just nothing special and.

708
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: This is an international rain on her during being Alive.

709
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 3: No that you're thinking of the end of act one,

710
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: did you leave?

711
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: I would have okay, okay, but yes, I remember the rain.

712
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: I remember the rain, right, a single panel that she

713
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: has to hit a mark on a dime. Yeah, And

714
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: I think that they actually you saw an early uh

715
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: you saw it in the early on in the run

716
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: because I think that they scrapped the rain. Oh.

717
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: I think in the end the rain was so bad it.

718
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: Was, wasn't it. And then they have the same costume

719
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: that she changes into in the intermission. That's like they

720
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 3: have a dry one and like run. I'm just like

721
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 3: she's wearing the same thing.

722
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

723
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: And the cads, oh my god, the Keds. They had

724
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 3: Homegirl out here in Keds. She was in a heel

725
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: in the playbill. Thank god.

726
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so you mentioned something about like the critics loving it,

727
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: which I think is another part of this which is

728
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: a mass delusion. Not only are we going to produce

729
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: bad stuff, we are going to gaslight you into thinking

730
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: it's good. We are going to we're gonna put something

731
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: self evidently bad on stage and then almost as though

732
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: we're paying them off, have every critic like talk out

733
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: of their ass.

734
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: And because not as many people can see us, get

735
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: away with it. Because like in a movie, if like

736
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: a critic is like it's amazing and then one million

737
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: people go see it, they're like, well it kind of sucks.

738
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: Then it's like, well that critic's bad. Yeah, But here,

739
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: if only like a thousand people can see it, they're like,

740
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: I guess that critic knows better.

741
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: More people are gonna read the review than are going

742
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 1: to see.

743
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: Them, absolutely, which is also not to give them more airtime.

744
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: We know that many people are already talking about on

745
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: the air. But that's why Omary is so impressive too,

746
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: because it's getting all these rave reviews and then you

747
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: go and you're like, wait, it actually is amazing, and

748
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 2: as amazing as people say.

749
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: I know, it's here's a question like is this just

750
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: like a form of nostalgia where in my mind, like

751
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: it used to be all scrappy theater makers now like

752
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: it did it did used to be like it did.

753
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 3: Well, No, it used to be What I'm saying is

754
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: it used to be gay. When we were teenagers, there

755
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 3: was a revival of Fiddler on the Roof. Not many

756
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 3: people remember this. Fiddler in the Roof one of the

757
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: most canonically heteroe musicals ever created about values, traditions and

758
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 3: you know, like you know, someone holding onto those in

759
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: the face of progressivism and like you know, you know,

760
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 3: exile and everything. We had a revival on Broadway starring

761
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: in the heterosexual married Couple starring Roles Harvey Feirestein and

762
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 3: Rosi o'donna. I did not know that.

763
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: That's so Like, I'm sure this is classic theater history

764
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: that I should know, but.

765
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 3: Find it on YouTube. We have those two sing to

766
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 3: each other, do you love me? Do I? What?

767
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: Literally, by the way, like Gay Broadway isn't doing a

768
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: gay company. Gay Broadway is doing a straight couple played

769
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: by Harvey Firestein and roso don Like that is there

770
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: has to be this undercurrent, it has to be like

771
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: family values on stage, but an undercurrent of just debasement.

772
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: Well, because you're like, that's what makes it fun. The

773
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: literalism of like it being gay people isn't what makes

774
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: it fun.

775
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: Wow.

776
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 3: And And like Patti Lapone as Joanne in that I'm

777
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 3: a I'm I have a Patty Lapone tattoo on my end.

778
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 3: But I will say that her that casting her as

779
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: Joanne in that production, giving her that wig and that

780
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 3: faulk for It's Yeah, it just seemed it was worn.

781
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: It was worn and weathered like a ride at Disney

782
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: for me, Like it's a small world after all. It's

783
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: so utterly obvious. And she did it. She in the

784
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: playbook she said, just having fun with this one. I'm like, okay,

785
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: you know, not like I didn't student rush you as

786
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 3: Mama Rose four different times just so you could spit

787
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: on me from four different angles, so I could try

788
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 3: and catch one of the ripped up pieces of the

789
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 3: letter at the end of Everything's Coming Up roses that

790
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 3: you throw into the crowd at the end of act one,

791
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: Like now, she's just like, I'll dream to that. Oh God,

792
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 3: just so so perfectly timed to with the Sondheim death

793
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: happening right in the middle just a perfect storm of

794
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 3: hetero nonsense. It was for me. There's a few standouts.

795
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: That Tony winning performance from Jennifer Simard. I think is

796
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: how you pronounced that she was the Uh, she was

797
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 3: the sole talented person in the cast, if you recall,

798
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 3: if you recall, she was the one about the like

799
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 3: obsessed with so quickly girl. I love Matt Doyle. I

800
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 3: saw him in Spring Awakening Us as a younger gay. Uh.

801
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 3: Several times I fancied myself sort of a distant relative

802
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 3: of his. We kind of have saying this, he's got

803
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 3: a Mediterranean vibe, right, Sure, I will say this. There

804
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 3: was probably nothing more disappointing to me than that gay

805
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: rendering of Amy and Paul. Having seen the John Doyle

806
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: performance myself and I think her name was Heather Laws. Wow.

807
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: Another support Sam So this is this is a song

808
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 1: not Getting Married Today, which famously is so fast.

809
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 2: Like You're just like.

810
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: It has It's this incredibly difficult, just technically difficult.

811
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 3: It's a patter song. Patter song is a theater term

812
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 3: for a song that that requires so much vocally, not

813
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 3: in terms of maybe the notes of the singer, it

814
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 3: requires so much vocally in the mouth. It's the tip

815
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: of the tongue, the roof of the mouth, the teeth

816
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: and the lips of musical theater. And it is supposed

817
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: to mimic the sound of rain pattering on a roof.

818
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 3: So we have like I Am the No. No of

819
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 3: a modern major General, or like whatever, we've got pottered

820
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 3: songs all over. That one by Sondheim is sort of

821
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 3: like the grandmother of all Potter songs. And the meter

822
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 3: that Sondheim wrote it in, the tempo that Sondheim rohoded

823
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: it in is impossibly fast. Heather Laws in the John

824
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: Doyle Company in two thousand and six, she did it.

825
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 3: You can see it on PBS. They recorded that shit.

826
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 3: They were not about to let that thing go undocumented.

827
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: Matt Doyle in the revival. Just to match the flavor

828
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: of the rest of the production, I want to say,

829
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: they slowed it down to about half speed for her

830
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: and change the key. It's fine. You know, she's family.

831
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 3: I do hope for a Tony Wynn in her funeral,

832
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: in her future, like you know, somehow, some way, I

833
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: think Jennifer from that, from that production, I think she's

834
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 3: going to be. I think she's going to be in

835
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: this death becomes her revival. That's happening, which I'm excited

836
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 3: to see. This is what I'm talking about it. We're

837
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: moving back. We're moving back towards gay theater. We've got

838
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 3: Omary on Broadway. We've got the Jellical Ball likely transferring

839
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: if God is real.

840
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: I couldn't.

841
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: I couldn't get tickets. It was a hot tike and

842
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: you know it's one of those things where okay, so

843
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: this is actually related to this theater being straight. I

844
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 1: hear something. I hear they're doing cats and it's ballroom

845
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: My initial thought is not how cool and gay. My

846
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: initial thought is, without knowing anything about it, this is

847
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: a cynical straight thing, and they're trying to get the

848
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: drag race audience because I've been so trained to be skept,

849
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: to be suspicious of projects like that. So then I

850
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 1: didn't get tickets. Come to find out, all the gays

851
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: love it, and I should have gone. But like that

852
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: is how bad it is that you literally hear about

853
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: something being ballroom cats and you think that can't be right.

854
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 3: We were all skeptical. Yeah, The audition notes, as you recall,

855
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 3: went viral. They were like buster for Jones is non

856
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 3: binary two thousand retweets. I was like, girl, I don't

857
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: know how this is gonna go. None of us knew

858
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: it was the first production of that brand new theater

859
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: at the World Trade Center. It's funded by Bloomberg. We

860
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: all thought it was and then the refuse come out

861
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 3: and it's like, wait, I think the headline is Wait,

862
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 3: the Gay Cats is actually good. As though it weren't

863
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: gay enough already, we have it in and of the community.

864
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: We've got Junior law Beisia as Gus the theater cat.

865
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: She's in Paris a small mirror so rre, I mean

866
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: it's fun.

867
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, We've got Queen Jean designing no less than ninety

868
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 3: six costumes for the It's it's a gay ball, so

869
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 3: it's got to be fabulous fashion left and right. Every

870
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: character wearing a dozen looks Queen Jean's sketch ninety six.

871
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: I think the bitch is gonna win a tony to

872
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: be honest. Queen Jean, of course, is the primarily known

873
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 3: as an activist. She does she does a lot of rallies,

874
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: she's doing a lot of work for She's doing a

875
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 3: lot of act organizing for Gaza. Right now, oh, a

876
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: lot of trans lives matter in twenty twenty was her

877
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 3: ascent into the podium and the microphone. She's also a

878
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: costume designer. We've got We've got drag queens who I

879
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 3: know making the wigs for the Jealo Ball. We've got

880
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: bartenders at the bar I work at. I saw. I

881
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: saw a friend of mine, Garnet Williams understudy Grizabella the

882
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: night the first night that I went to Cats, I

883
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 3: saw a close friend of mine that was killing a

884
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: stage in New York City, an off Broadway rendering of Cats.

885
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: As though it weren't gay enough. Now we have the

886
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 3: added element that they're actually in a ball like Paris

887
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 3: is burning every like, you know, it's kind of nonsensical

888
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: the way that Cats goes, because we're just it's a

889
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: Cats is a musical that is a musical rendering of

890
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 3: a ts Eliot book of poems that he wrote for

891
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 3: I think God Children or something that are just cat.

892
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: They're poems about different cats, different characters, and so it's

893
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: kind of nonsensical. Therefore, in the original production of Cats,

894
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 3: we have like sort of like a doesn't make much sense.

895
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 3: They're all vying. We're being introduced to these cats as

896
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 3: though they're all vying for a prize. In this rendering,

897
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 3: every single cat is walking in a category against others,

898
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 3: and they're the one who ends up stealing the trophy. Right,

899
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: does it? Does it still sound hokey to you?

900
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I know it sounds fine. No, It's like

901
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: that's what I'm kicking myself for being so cynical going in.

902
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 3: Me too, But I guess I caught wise. Yeah quickly.

903
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: No, I mean by the time I did, it was

904
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: like four hundred dollars tickets.

905
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. When when a friend of mine was bullying me

906
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: into going, I was like, just so you know, I

907
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 3: will likely hate it, Yeah, and I will be vocal

908
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: about that the whole time, as I am like yeah,

909
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 3: and when I see anything, you know, I consider myself

910
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: a child of there's an old school affect that we're

911
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: going for here. Remember, the gay community is kind of

912
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: split on this. I'm someone who believes very much. Friend Liebowitz,

913
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,919
Speaker 3: when she says that there is a dearth of connoisseur ship,

914
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: you know, that viral her people everyone would taste out

915
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 3: of aids.

916
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: People criticize that, and I'm like, no, she's clearly right.

917
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 3: Like right, actually, yeah, I mean the three of us

918
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: would all be gone. We are no.

919
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 1: More podcasting because of because of AIDS. Oh my god, yes,

920
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 1: but yes, no, you're and you know what, maybe though,

921
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: do you think that's related to this theater straight era?

922
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

923
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: I mean that really to bring it back to a

924
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: historical perspective, I mean it makes sense, it's up to

925
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: us because that's when those people would have come up,

926
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: That's when those people would have been, you know, in

927
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: their forties fifty sixties, like funding things, making decisions, being

928
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: the decision makers in the room, producers.

929
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 2: I want to talk FACTATIONI yeah, because you're is it

930
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,959
Speaker 2: always wicked? No? Okay.

931
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: Factasia is a production. It's a it's pay Me the

932
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 3: Grandest Drag Show in Brooklyn happens at three dollars Bill,

933
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: one of the grandest spaces, and it is a show

934
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 3: produced and directed and pretty much run by my friend

935
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 3: baby Love, who's a very talented, very gorgeous drag queen

936
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 3: in Brooklyn. She produces a monthly version of it, and

937
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: it's a gay drag rendering of any myriad of gay

938
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 3: uh you know, interest topics that she does a lot of.

939
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 3: She does Lord of the rings. She used to do

940
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: Harry Potter, she stopped, Well, you know, the JK Rowlings

941
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 3: a Shrek Factasia. It's only a musical rendering when I

942
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 3: am involved and bullying her into mounting it so that

943
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 3: I can play one of the roles that I've always

944
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 3: wanted to play. So it's Wicked when I'm involved, and

945
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 3: or Chicago when I need to be Vela Kelly. Wow,

946
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: She's Roxy to my Velma, and she's Glinda to my Alphaba.

947
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 3: And we render the entire original Broadway cast of Wicked

948
00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 3: on stage, and we also include this sound board recording

949
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: that is, you know, in our generation of musical theater gaze,

950
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 3: it's a heralded MP three to get this recording from

951
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: the soundboard of the early San Francisco run, the pre

952
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 3: Broadway run of Wicked. We have a recording of the soundboard,

953
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 3: so we have all of the dialogue recorded in HD,

954
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: so we use a lot of that and lip sync

955
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 3: the whole thing. So basically what we're seeing is a

956
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 3: full drag rendering of the original Broadway cast of Wicked.

957
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 3: There are a bunch of fun elements that are like

958
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 3: thrown in there to make it a little more current

959
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 3: and trans She really baby Love really loves fucking with

960
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: the material and making the whole thing a highly like

961
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 3: you know, cerebral version rendering of whatever it is. But

962
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 3: I'm someone who likes it very canonical, and I like

963
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: to be very by the book. If it were up

964
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 3: to me, it would be completely beginning to end, just

965
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 3: played straight, Yes, played completely straight. Like I'm trying to

966
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 3: be alphable here, I'm trying to take the grail from

967
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 3: the Gershwin Theater for one night. Yeah, be Alpha Ba.

968
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 3: And we even have a fly show. We've even almost

969
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: had a no fly show. Are you familiar with the terminology?

970
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: Oh fly? Does that mean? Like in Harness where you're like.

971
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: Being oh oh right, at the end of Act one

972
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 3: of Wicked. Famously, Alpha Ba at the end of Defying

973
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 3: Gravity flies up. You know. It might be thirty feet

974
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 3: in a tiny human sized cherry picker with a hydraulic

975
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: arm that's like hidden, and so it's giving this illusion

976
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 3: that she's actually flying above the crowd. However, maybe like

977
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 3: point one maybe point two percent of the time, the

978
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 3: safety mechanism that she clicks into in the dark and

979
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 3: the fog and the lights and everything doesn't trip, or

980
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 3: maybe there's like, you know, a new person on the

981
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 3: on the tech board that day or whatever, and she

982
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 3: won't actually fly, and and you know, like the whole

983
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: audience their heart starts going there like we paid money

984
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 3: for this. The chorus is directed to sort of like

985
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: fall to the ground if it happens, and Alpha but

986
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: just walks forward on foot, essentially ruining the entire night.

987
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 3: If you're straight, if you're gay, you are a chosen one.

988
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 3: You're one of the chosen ones who gets to see

989
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 3: a no Fly show. I'm not trying to do all

990
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 3: that at Factasia because we're already lip syncing honey, and

991
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 3: we have one of these we have one of these lifts,

992
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 3: like a cherry picker that's actually for rearranging the club

993
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 3: lights because its the nightclub. Oh so it's this like

994
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 3: hydraulic lift thing that's like, you know, very forky, very clunky,

995
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: and not human sized at all. I'm not trying to

996
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 3: mess around with all that, and I'm definitely not trying

997
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 3: for my co stars to be stranded on the floor

998
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 3: like that. I don't know what I would do. We

999
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 3: had a really close call with this last one. We've

1000
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 3: done the show four times, turning it into an annual thing.

1001
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 3: I think, like an end of summer fun, labor day,

1002
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 3: sort of like tradition, you know, like watching Harry Potter,

1003
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 3: which apparently that's a Christmas thing. Now, I didn't know that.

1004
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: Is that true Christmas movies?

1005
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a. It's a it exists within Christianity,

1006
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 3: which is enough. We should have known the JK. Rowling thing.

1007
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: It's a movie about it's a book about witches and wizards,

1008
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 3: and they celebrate Christmas the fun.

1009
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah literally, yeah, Okay. I was saying that I've never

1010
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: seen Wicked and me what has stopped me from going

1011
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: to effect Asia, which I really want to go to.

1012
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: Is I want to like first see some version of

1013
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: Wicked and then get it. But it sounds like I

1014
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: can just go to Effect here.

1015
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with that. I don't know

1016
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 3: what kind of shape the show is in right now,

1017
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 3: to be honest, I'm sure whoever it is rips. The

1018
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 3: most recent time I went to Wicked was right before COVID,

1019
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 3: and it was it was a girl named Hannah Corno

1020
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 3: who made my top three elbow bus of all times.

1021
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 3: She really ripped into it. But I don't know how

1022
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 3: she is not. I think the current alphabu's a little

1023
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: bit mature.

1024
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 1: I seen Chicago many times used in Chicago.

1025
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen the movie.

1026
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 3: That's good enough. Yeah, the one time I think that

1027
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 3: they've gotten it completely right. All movie musicals were leading

1028
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 3: up to and or following that one moment. Yeah, Oh,

1029
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,479
Speaker 3: the one time I think that it got the movie.

1030
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 3: The movie has kept that show in its bare bones

1031
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 3: form on Broadway that entire time.

1032
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: It's so bare bones I did not know. I went

1033
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: like essentially as a joke when Pamela Anderson did it,

1034
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: and I could not believe how low production it was.

1035
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 1: Like it's just like an empty stage and someone tap dancing. Basically, Oh,

1036
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: like you think it's going to be the super duper production.

1037
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 3: Well, it was originally in ninety six when they mounted

1038
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 3: it on Broadway. It was originally just a cheap way

1039
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 3: to make a book for the producers because it was

1040
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 3: a there's there's a rendering. Uh, there's a there's a

1041
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: concert series that Broadway does where well they'll they'll just

1042
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 3: do a show, any given show as a concert. Look

1043
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 3: at Carnegie Hall. Sure it was a mounting of that.

1044
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 3: So that's why there's no costumes, no set, none of that.

1045
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 3: It was it was like this was so popular, this

1046
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 3: concert version of Chicago that were putting her on Broadway.

1047
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 3: All it has to last at that point. It didn't

1048
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 3: even have to last ten years on Broadway, which is

1049
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 3: like nothing to ball yet. But it didn't even have

1050
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 3: to last that long before Catherine, Zena Jones and Renee

1051
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 3: come in and clean up money for these producers for

1052
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: the next twenty twenty five however, lost picture. So truly yeah,

1053
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 3: Best Picture, Best Supporting Catherine.

1054
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: Catherine.

1055
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: I think they should have put her up for Best

1056
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 3: Actress myself, but I think they wanted her to snatch it.

1057
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: Well they yeah, and Renee was put up for Best Actress,

1058
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: and Catherine and Queen Latifa were both in the Best

1059
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: Supporting Actress.

1060
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 3: If you'll recall Dring Catherine's speech, there's somewhat Catherine's like,

1061
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 3: oh no, I think it was the best picture in

1062
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 3: someone who won an Oscar for Chicago. In their speech,

1063
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 3: they're like rattling off the thanks and someone in the

1064
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 3: audience at the top of their lungs, and you can

1065
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 3: hear it on the stage. Mic Goes and Queen Latifa

1066
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 3: and the guy goes right and Queen Latifa, which I'm like,

1067
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 3: I don't know, she doesn't have that much screen time,

1068
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 3: but damn. At the time that Chicago came out, there

1069
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 3: was one of those magazine feature articles, you know, the

1070
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 3: magazines where they're like they described at length the way

1071
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 3: that the celebrity like comes in to the whatever and

1072
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 3: like sets their bag down. It's like you know something

1073
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 3: about there.

1074
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: The first sentence is like, Renee Zewegger was running late,

1075
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: but not for the reason you.

1076
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 3: Think so in this uh, I like, I knew who

1077
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 3: I was gonna like before I even saw the movie.

1078
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 3: I knew I was gonna identify with because this interviewer

1079
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 3: stacked the way the kind of the way you two

1080
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 3: do here, stacked one after the other. At some fucking

1081
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 3: Keith McNally restaurant in midtown, Renee and then Catherine. Renee

1082
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 3: came in her gym clothes and ordered a side salad,

1083
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 3: did the interview politely, and then bowed out. Catherine came

1084
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:07,720
Speaker 3: in a leather trench, ordered a filet mignon, which is

1085
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 3: more raw than rare, and a glass of champagne like

1086
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 3: she was in the T mobile commercial. At that very

1087
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 3: moment get remember those.

1088
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: A long time, I forgot she is someone. I almost

1089
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: think she is someone that had so much, that had

1090
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, and I actually think it makes sense

1091
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: that she is not still out there because it's like

1092
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: she's actually too fabulous to be like, you know what I.

1093
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 3: Mean, I'm actually having this post facto hallucination that it

1094
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 3: was Catherine in that movie The Substance the whole time.

1095
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 2: Have you seen it?

1096
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 3: I am remembering the entire thing as though that were Katherine, and.

1097
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 2: Right, actually that'd be great. I would to say, I'm

1098
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 2: so surprised at your theater knowledge. I like, I, you know,

1099
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 2: I think of you are such a club girl that

1100
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 2: I was like to me, club in theater don't go together,

1101
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: and I'm like blown away.

1102
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 3: I love country, a real eclectic kind of tran I am.

1103
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I was at the I was

1104
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 3: singing Defying Gravity in my free period in high school.

1105
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 3: So it just kind of stuck. And I'm still you know,

1106
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 3: I'm excited about this a Dena musical that's gonna be iffy.

1107
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 3: I'm excited about Shshana Bean replacing her, replacing her. What

1108
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 3: do I think about the Audrey Gypsy? I do think

1109
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 3: that it is a harbinger of things moving in the

1110
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 3: right direction. Like I'm saying, I think I think we're

1111
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 3: moving back towards a gay area era of Broadway. But

1112
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 3: I'm not sure about the casting choice. I mean, we've

1113
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 3: seen in our lifetime a perfect rendering of Gypsy with

1114
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: Patti Lapone as Mama Rose and Laura Bananty I'm Louise.

1115
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: But the Tony's performance of that is like I would say,

1116
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: life like, it's just crazy. Like it's like, if you

1117
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: want to show someone this is what acting is, you

1118
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: show them that. But it's also becau. Laura Bananty like

1119
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: has to be on stage just to deliver one line.

1120
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 3: Right, is it? I thought you did it for me? Yeah, exactly.

1121
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: And then and then Patty's like, anyway, just starts doing

1122
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: this song.

1123
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, she got hers. I think it was a Tony

1124
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 3: maybe not for that. Maybe it was my fair Lady.

1125
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe it was she does.

1126
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: Okay, what property would you like to see it as

1127
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: a musical? That's a really tough question, show girls. That's

1128
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: so obvious, you know.

1129
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 3: But it's it's a harbinger of things moving in the

1130
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 3: right direction. Girl, we have water for Elephants on Broadway.

1131
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: Whoa, and it's doing well.

1132
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 3: Not to hate on it, because I was actually and

1133
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 3: this is further proof that theaters first eight people. I

1134
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: was in my first off off Broadway show in the spring,

1135
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 3: a short run during Pride at the Tank and.

1136
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: Ale. Did you see that?

1137
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 3: I didn't? I didn't. It was it was actually my

1138
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 3: my first time in the theater. My character's name was

1139
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 3: on the marquee and the whole lobby had been turned

1140
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 3: into my character's lair. So I helped myself to the

1141
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 3: booze the whole time one was going. But I was

1142
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,919
Speaker 3: in the production with If You Will Believe Me, an

1143
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 3: actual card carrying heterosexual couple playing a real life heterosexual

1144
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 3: couple in the play. I didn't think when I met

1145
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 3: when I met this, I met these two and I

1146
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, this is obviously the the the fim

1147
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 3: in the relationships. I call her Downtown Nicole Kidman. She's

1148
00:59:54,960 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 3: got that sort of like, you know, everything she says

1149
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 3: sort of has a flourish and like she's always like gasping,

1150
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 3: very reactive to anything that said. So I'm like, this

1151
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 3: dude is sort of has got to be like I

1152
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 3: don't know her like gay best friend or whatever, and

1153
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 3: they're just playing it. And as time goes on, I'm

1154
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 3: seeing him bringing crunch rap supremes to rehearsals. I was like, Oh,

1155
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 3: my fucking god, think about this.

1156
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: How when we were younger, everyone who wanted to be

1157
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: an actor was gay, and then suddenly you.

1158
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 2: Get older, something happens. Everyone who's an actor is straight.

1159
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:33,439
Speaker 1: You're looking around there and it's.

1160
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 3: The gays fall off and become drag queen.

1161
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, total, it's so confusing or.

1162
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: It actually so traumatic that they fall off and become

1163
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,439
Speaker 1: like consultants, like they don't.

1164
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 3: I was wrong to express my yes, like there's actually

1165
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 3: fall off and become comedians. There's much there's more money

1166
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 3: in drag and comedy clubs probably.

1167
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1168
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 3: The work that you're putting in the time that you're

1169
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 3: putting in for theater, holy shit. I've never had an

1170
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 3: experience that quite snapped into perspective. How lucky I am

1171
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 3: to go on at five am? Yeah?

1172
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean to perform like eight times a week,

1173
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 2: like an hour plus two hour show or whatever nightmare

1174
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:12,439
Speaker 2: I would.

1175
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 3: I would if it's eight times a week, you got

1176
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 3: that equity minimum, which is probably what that's what's what

1177
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 3: it's going to take for me to go back into

1178
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 3: the theater. I think, yeah, you and Patty.

1179
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 2: The only theater that I that I liked, like as

1180
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: a youth was West Side Story. I was really like,

1181
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 2: I want to be one of those dancing little boys.

1182
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 3: I think.

1183
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: What was like the theater? You know, to quote our friends,

1184
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: that the theater that made me say theaters for you, yeah,

1185
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: you know, not to bring it back to Greece as

1186
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: I always do, and it can't believe it's been this

1187
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: long since they have. But you know, in Greece you

1188
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: can go to the ancient Greek theater like it was

1189
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: like ancient Greek theater that's like still standing from ancient

1190
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: Greek times and see a production of a Greek tragedy

1191
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: Jones there. Yes, No, they also do the concerts. Yeah,

1192
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: talk about a Greek tragedy and and there is something

1193
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: about that that like felt like this is transcending reality

1194
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: in some way. Ademic Yeah, but then I'm like trying

1195
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: to think of it's not you know, honestly, if I'm

1196
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: being honest, it was right.

1197
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 3: I watched it over and over when I.

1198
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: Was in high school and I had no one had

1199
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: talked about it and the movie. The movie, which I

1200
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: know the real theater people think is bad.

1201
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 3: I don't know the time a Broadway cast and they're like,

1202
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 3: well but they are forty So yeah, but there's some

1203
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 3: there's some charm in that, for.

1204
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: Yes, So I think that was definitely a big part

1205
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: of it. And then I do think it was a

1206
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: lot of like clips of Tony's performance because I wasn't

1207
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: living in New York, so it's like like that Patty performance,

1208
01:02:54,960 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: I like, I I know it very well, or oh god,

1209
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: there was like some open some Tony's opening number. One

1210
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: year it was the year of Hair with Rip Gavin Creole,

1211
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: Like there was a that was like a big it

1212
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: just I was like, wow, Like to be in New York,

1213
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: you can like see this day to day that you

1214
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: come to Europe and legally Belonde the musical.

1215
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you catch that production of Hair?

1216
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:20,919
Speaker 1: No?

1217
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 3: I didn't.

1218
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: I've never seen Hair. I've never seen Hair.

1219
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 2: When how did you connect with theater?

1220
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1221
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 3: I was in a production of Cabaret Oh as an

1222
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 3: eighth grader. Wow, which was my high school was eight

1223
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 3: eight through twelve. So it was a big scandal that

1224
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 3: an eighth grader had made the cast, and so I

1225
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 3: felt like it was somewhat ordained at that point, and

1226
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 3: I became obsessed with the music. Were you said Cabaret?

1227
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 3: Was I sally believe it or not. I was not

1228
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 3: eligible to play female roles at the time.

1229
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: I literally did not even think of it.

1230
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 3: No, I I wasn't.

1231
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: And it didn't even occur to me.

1232
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 3: It was a very progressive school in Alabama.

1233
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: You know, by the way I'm seeing, I nabbed free

1234
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: tickets as the Adam Lambert in Cabaret. What do you

1235
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: think of that?

1236
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 3: I think that you're gonna have a great time?

1237
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 2: Is that a push towards.

1238
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 3: I think so? I would rather see Adam Lambert. And

1239
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 3: it's just like this rendering. See, this is a this

1240
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 3: is uh. This is further proof of things moving in

1241
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 3: the right direction. That we have replaced Adam Lambert. We've

1242
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 3: replaced Eddie with Adam Lambert because the Eddie interpretation of

1243
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 3: that character. I got to say, there's two ways to

1244
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 3: play Cabaret. There is the way in which we are

1245
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 3: very obviously entering the Third Reich in Germany, things are

1246
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 3: macabre and dark. There is also the way to play

1247
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 3: it we're in Everything is fabulous and gay, despite, yes,

1248
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 3: the darkness looming outside the kit Kat Club.

1249
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: Which in fact makes it more dark because you're so

1250
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: aware of.

1251
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 3: Exactly or exactly yes, because you have nuanced because you're gay. However,

1252
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 3: Eddie Redmain is up on, facing a camera straight on,

1253
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 3: doing a little swastika with his arms. I'm like, girl,

1254
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 3: I do not need all of this in my life.

1255
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I don't need it in my life.

1256
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 3: We're in too difficult a time perically.

1257
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: And we don't need you making a swastika.

1258
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 3: No, I want Adam Lambert throwing glitter into the air

1259
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 3: and being fabulous and saying everything is bingiful despite the

1260
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 3: fact that we're entering the end of civilization.

1261
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a movie you should watch, because that is

1262
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: a movie that, like you think, I don't know, You're like, oh,

1263
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: how good can it be? It's literally a master It's

1264
01:05:56,200 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: like who plays Manelli? Oh yeah, okay, fun anyway, okay, surely.

1265
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: In any final thoughts on theater as straight culture, I.

1266
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 3: Think we've covered quite a bit.

1267
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: I would have to almost one.

1268
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, well there's a closing segment, Yes, that segment.

1269
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: Which and we always make them up on the spot,

1270
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: and I don't.

1271
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 2: Have one, but okay, I've got one. Our final segment

1272
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 2: is called shout Outs, and in this segment we pay

1273
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 2: homage to the grand oral straight tradition of the radio

1274
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 2: shout out, so you can give a shout out to

1275
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 2: anything that you enjoy, people, places, things, ideas. Imagine two

1276
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 2: thousand and one, you're at TRL shouting out to your

1277
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 2: squad back home about anything you like. And I have

1278
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 2: one that I don't think I talked about it when

1279
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 2: we record the other day, and if I did, choke

1280
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 2: me to death. Okay, what's up freak soss and perverts

1281
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 2: around the globe. I want to give a huge shout

1282
01:06:54,440 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 2: out to shaving with a traditional razor and shaving cream.

1283
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 2: I have never done this in my life. I don't

1284
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 2: really know how to shave someone. My dad gave me

1285
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 2: an electrical razor when I was you know, of age

1286
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 2: and said figure this out. And I said, okay, I

1287
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 2: think I can figure this out. Sort of sort of

1288
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 2: did a half assed job, sort of made that my

1289
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 2: identity that I sort of just have scruff at given

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Speaker 2: times and sort of am roughing it. I forgot to

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Speaker 2: bring this with me I said, what do I do

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Speaker 2: when I'm in I need to shave because now it's

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Speaker 2: looking bad. And I was like, I guess I can

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Speaker 2: just buy a razor and figure it out. And I

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01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 2: called my boyfriend. I say, how do you do it?

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Speaker 2: And apparently it's he new, he knew, and it's so

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Speaker 2: easy and you just put stuff on it and you

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Speaker 2: go ahead and scrape it. Sorry you and I and

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Speaker 2: before you get into it, even the performance of it,

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Speaker 2: I want to say, you know, I dress. We've talked

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Speaker 2: about how I wear. I'm going Americana. I am reappropriating

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Speaker 2: masculinity to get hard. And I got a little hard

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01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 2: and it was so hot, and I was like, this

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01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 2: is amazing. I look like a dad from a commercial.

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Speaker 3: That's actually shaved face you can still smell.

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01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 2: I was like, no, that's crazy. Yes, well lock me

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Speaker 2: up and throw away the key. So that's my shout out. Wow. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just use a little electric one.

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Speaker 1: I mean sure, but but even once you've never once

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01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: used one, that's so funny. I mean even like when

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Speaker 1: you were first like going through pubery and have a

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Speaker 1: little mustache, like even then you used.

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Speaker 2: I just like let it like I was like, maybe, no,

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Speaker 2: one notices.

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Speaker 3: How traumatizing was that? God? That starting and be like

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Speaker 3: when is the when do the scales tip? When do

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Speaker 3: I start? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: That and then that's when like one Christmas, Dad was

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01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 2: like you should use this and give.

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Speaker 3: Me like some electric razor Christmas. Huh Christmas touch.

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01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 2: And I was like, a shame.

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Speaker 1: This is like your version of like me never learning

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Speaker 1: to drive. Like it's like it's like something that everyone

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01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: did when they were younger. But when he gets too

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01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: late and you're like, oh God, like I'm in my thirties.

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Speaker 2: Did you have to be taught or did you just

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Speaker 2: like wing it?

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Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly, but it is sort of just

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01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 1: like exactly what you think it's gonna be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was like, maybe there's a nuance to it.

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Speaker 3: There is. You don't look like a dumped her chin

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01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 3: and ab no death.

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Speaker 1: Very true. Okay, I have one what's up freaks and losers.

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01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to Ellen DeGeneres.

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01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,879
Speaker 1: I sat down and I watched Ellen's new special. Okay,

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01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: and when I tell you, you know I it starts

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01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: out with this like montage of her career highlights and

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01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,759
Speaker 1: you're like, I cannot believe this is happening. They're literally

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01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: doing a montage of for career highlights that are projected

1340
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: on walls, and she's walking through a tunnel of her

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01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: tunnel of hits and she's going to the stage. Then

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01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: she talks about being canceled, and every single line she

1343
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: says gets a standing ovation. I've never seen anything like this,

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01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: and despite it all, I'm laughing you liked it. I

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01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: would not say I thought it was like excellent. But

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01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: you know, when she's in her element, doing airplane jokes,

1347
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: doing jokes about like, oh, why are you okay? Can

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01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: you you can't? Doing jokes about aging, doing jokes about

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01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 1: being Ellen, You're like, you know, there's a reason you're

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01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: Ellen and I don't can. It's definitely still clean, but

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01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: then you know why it's so it's clean. So then

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01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: when she does drop an F bomb, it's fun because

1353
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: you're like not expecting it. She's edging, she's edging you.

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01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: She comes out as having a billion different illnesses. She's like,

1355
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: I have ADHD, I have OCD, I have She says,

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01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 1: I used to think that O and OCD used to

1357
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 1: for organized I was just like you know what, like

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01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: go throw, throw, throw, stuff at your employees. Why not?

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01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: Why not have one life? So shout out to Ellen.

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01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 2: Who Okay, Charlie whenever you are ready.

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Speaker 3: What's up freaks and losers? Charlene here, I want to

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01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 3: give a big shout out to country music. Wo harold

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01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:03,839
Speaker 3: it often as great thing, but there are gay cracks

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01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 3: in the firmament. I was just listening to gay radio

1365
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 3: and reminded of none other than Travis Tritt, famous Southern

1366
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 3: closet case country singer, singer of the classic who Could Forget?

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01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 3: I got rast cooking in the Maco way, which you'll

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01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 3: only recall if you're a Southern girl like me.

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01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: Perhaps, I mean, I'm gonna spotify it soon, honey.

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Speaker 3: This queen is fabulous. On the album cover, she is

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01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 3: sitting cross legged with her hands folded around her knees

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01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 3: and a huge smile like she just took a dick

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01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 3: up the butt. She in twenty twenty was very do

1374
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 3: you know, all gay, all gay country venn diagram crossover.

1375
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 3: People know this about this queen, that she's like a flamer.

1376
01:11:54,600 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 3: Someone ran her face through the dragonator filter or like whatever.

1377
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:04,759
Speaker 3: She shared it on Twitter and said, this is another

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01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 3: more proof of the lies. Of the Left. Someone just

1379
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 3: ran her face through a drag filter and said that,

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01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 3: like Travis strahadun drag or whatever, and she's like more

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01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 3: proof of the lies of the left. Well, this queen

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01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 3: is so utterly deep in the closet and it's mandated

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01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 3: by her profession. Even though we've got Casey Musgraves and

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01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 3: like people like I don't know what's that girl's name,

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01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 3: Marion Morris, Yes, casually casually beckoning the younger generational gaze

1386
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 3: towards them, we've got We've got Garth Brooks and Trisha

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01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 3: Yearwood from our generation married to each other. A bull

1388
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:53,839
Speaker 3: and a fairy. Seriously, Garth Brooks, I think Garth Brooks.

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01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 3: Garth Brooks is a card carrying cocksucker, and any secon

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01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 3: any further delving into his discography and or music videos

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01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 3: especially will reveal that to you he has a whole

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01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 3: album as a drag character Chris Games total who has

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01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 3: a flavor saver and a whole different sound and dyed

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01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 3: black hair. That's a whole and that is Garth Brooks.

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Speaker 2: I actually I had no idea.

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01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 3: Tricia Yearwood, his wife, actually came close to outing him

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01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 3: on stage recently saying something cheeky like if I hadn't

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01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 3: met this man who I'm sharing the stage with, I'd

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01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:47,560
Speaker 3: probably be you know, in the arms of some tractor

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01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 3: driving like I don't know, dude, and he probably would too.

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01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 3: I was like, whoa, we're just being out that Maren

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Speaker 3: Morris has has had to go with these two, to

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01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 3: go with these two, but the links that these people

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01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 3: go to just say straight. I'm like, why can't you

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01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 3: just be like what is literally is literally gay? I

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01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 3: know it, I know absolutely.

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01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: It almost goes full circle where like you're doing you're

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01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: doing drag as a straight mane that is gayer than

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01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 1: being you know, uh, what's that straight? Luke Evans, you

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01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean?

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01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 3: Controversial? It was when he agreed to play at Biden's anoguration. Yeah,

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01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, I mean, like, it's not it's not

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01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 3: completely out of character, it's not completely out of the question.

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01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 3: We've already established that eight or nine out of every

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01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 3: ten men are gay. I mean that's in the first place.

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01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 3: You can look at the boots on a male country singer.

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01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 3: It's like, if the boot is like completely showing and

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01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:47,799
Speaker 3: nice and polished, you've got to bag it on your hands.

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01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 3: If there's like if like covered and caked and hit

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01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 3: and mud like. George straight A is a country star

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01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 3: from our up from our upbringing. Who I believe? Who

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01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 3: actually believe? I saw him with Martina McBride when I

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01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 3: was in junior high and he had shit caked onto

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01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 3: his boots. I was like that motherfucker seriously.

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01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 2: Wow, wow, Wow, that was groundbreaking.

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01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 1: One of the most substantial shadows you've ever had on

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01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: this po.

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Speaker 2: Yes it it is Shirley, and I have to.

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Speaker 1: Say this has been one of the greatest episodes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much for doing the pot. We

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01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 2: really appreciate it.

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01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 1: Having me back what we will and we'll have you

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01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: do a live show if you're up for it.

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01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 3: Up for it, baby lives what I do much much

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Speaker 3: later at night?

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Speaker 1: All right? Okay?

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01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 1: Oh wait, and Charlie, do you want to say where

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01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 1: people can see you? Anything you want to promote anything

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01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 1: like that.

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01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's shit going on all the time. I'm a

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01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 3: local hero. God damn it. Period. It's come to a

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01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 3: drag bar in Brooklyn. If you don't see me, I'm

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01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 3: asleep that night.

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01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 4: All right, Okay, bye ni podcast and now want more

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