1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to the first episode, the grand opening 2 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: of The K Factor, Everything k Pop, hosted by Bomhan. 3 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 2: I am your host, Boomhan, and I am excited and 4 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: a little bit nervous. We have been working on this 5 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: podcast months now and I'm so happy to be able 6 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: to bring it to you guys on this huge platform 7 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: that is iHeartRadio. You guys can listen to this podcast 8 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 2: on iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. This 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: podcast The K Factor, Everything k Pop. It's about everything 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 2: k pop. We're gonna be going behind the scenes. We're 11 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 2: gonna be talking to songwriters, choreographers, idols, and artists who 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: kind of just exist in the space. And we're also 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: going to be bringing you K pop news, kpop gossip, 14 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: album reviews. We're gonna be letting you know who's touring 15 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: at the moment, the news releases, and just kind of 16 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: what to be excited for in the world of kpop. 17 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: This is your one stop shop for everybody who is 18 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: a lover a fan of kpop. So thank you, and uh, 19 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 2: let's get right into it. Actually no, let's not get 20 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: right into it. I want to shout out you guys. 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 2: You guys are the ones who kind of made this 22 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: all happen, and to kind of give back to this idea, 23 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: we have made you guys a huge part of this show. 24 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: So you guys can call in when we're doing these 25 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: exclusive interviews. If we're talking to your favorite idol, there's 26 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: gonna be a moment where you can come in and 27 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 2: call and ask them some questions. We're also gonna be 28 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: doing live tours around the country, so you guys can 29 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: come in and kind of participate, be on camera and 30 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: just do this whole thing live. This show is for 31 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: you guys, all right. So now let's get into it. 32 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: K Pop News with Bomhan. What's happening. Let's talk the 33 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: latest kpop comebacks, tours and gossip. The tours that we're 34 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: paying attention to right now is TXC that's embarking on 35 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: their promised world tour twenty twenty five starting from May three. 36 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: Eighties is also announcing a new world tour and I 37 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 2: cannot be more excited. It is called in Your Fantasy 38 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 2: and I remember some of my best memories in life 39 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: ever is going to an eighties concert and going to 40 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 2: a BTS concert, and I feel like the energy that 41 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: they bring with their dances is just so electrifying and 42 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: I can feel it in like my veins and like 43 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: in my heart when I go, and I feel like 44 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: they make music specifically for concerts, you know what I mean. 45 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 3: So I am very excited. 46 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna find a way to get into these 47 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: stadiums and I think you should too. Grab your tickets 48 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: for TXT, grab your tickets for ATS, and these are 49 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: all happening very very soon, so don't miss out. And 50 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 2: speaking of TXT, TXT in the month of April has 51 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: released their mini album on the first, Baby Monster has 52 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 2: made their comeback with their EPA Monster on April first 53 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: as well, and Boy next Door has made their comeback 54 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 2: with their second EP, How on April fifteenth. April is 55 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 2: a great month for kpop. May is gonna be even 56 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: better because TXD is going on tour, So get your 57 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: tickets and uh now, let's talk some of the trending stories. 58 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: This has been a crazy month and I think if 59 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: you guys have been on the internet, you guys have 60 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: seen the YG leaks. Well that's a little bit of 61 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: background and context for these YG leaks is that there 62 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: was a YG employee who was fired and he wasn't happy, 63 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: so he went and made like a discord, like an 64 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: anonymous discord account, and he goes to a random discord 65 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: server and he goes crashing out. He just dropped a 66 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: bunch of information. He like confirmed some dating rumors and 67 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: then all this stuff, but none of this is confirmed. 68 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: You're like, We're like, oh, okay, buddy, right, And then 69 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: he goes and he releases these training footage, unreleased training 70 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: footage of girls from Black Pink, girls from two any 71 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: One and just to all these trainees that are like ten, twenty. 72 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 3: Years old, and we're like, oh my god, wait, this 73 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: guy's real. 74 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: Still none of the other stuff that he sells confirmed, 75 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: but the video is real, right, And and this has 76 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: stirred a bunch of controversy because in these videos has 77 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: these these idols who are very, very crazy successful right now, 78 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 2: and now we have footage of them saying and singing 79 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: the N word. 80 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, what is going on? Girl? 81 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: Get up? Girl, get up? 82 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 4: You know. 83 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: And then that's not even the craziest part. All these 84 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: leaks happened one day before Kim Suhun's press conference. Kim 85 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: Suhun is the highest paid k drama actor in South Korea. 86 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: He is like Jason Tatum in the NBA. He makes 87 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 2: the most money in the NBA. This guy makes the 88 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: most money acting, Okay, and his has come crashing down 89 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: because of the controversy where he allegedly allegedly Because none 90 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: of this is confirmed yet, and I am just simply 91 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: delivering the information I am I, I am just a messenger, Okay. 92 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: He allegedly groomed a minor and it has led to 93 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: her doing something very drastic that I will not kind 94 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: of describe here. And you guys can look more into it, 95 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 2: but be warned of the of it possibly being triggering. 96 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: But it is a very serious situation, okay. 97 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: And he holds a press conference with a bunch of 98 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 2: news outlets and he's crying in this press conference. He's 99 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 2: talking about all these serious things and he denies some claims. 100 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: It's a whole big thing. 101 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: And the league happens one day before this, so people 102 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 2: are like, oh, like, is there a correlation? You know? 103 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: And this whole kimsu Filon thing is. 104 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: It's kind of, I think, in my opinion, deeper than 105 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: just gossip, just deeper than God than te you know, 106 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 2: all these things so if you guys want to look 107 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: more into it, I'm not going to say too much 108 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: about the situation. I think it's very sensitive prayers and 109 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: thoughts to the family of the victims, and everything is 110 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: still alleged and not confirmed. So I'm like delivering concrete 111 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 2: information on this topic. 112 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: That's it. 113 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: You know, we have we have an Aties tour to 114 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: look forward to, a TXT tour to look forward to. 115 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: There's there's brighter things ahead. 116 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 3: Just kidding, Boom, Kiss of Life. 117 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: Julie has a birthday party and then they decide to 118 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: do a fun little life you know, engage with the 119 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: fans and then do something fun. You know, like they 120 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: have their company, they produce like a little concept. You know, 121 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: they're like, oh hey, like you know, like sometimes idols. 122 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: They go like, oh hey, let's do like a QT 123 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: concept for this birthday live Kiss of Life. They decide 124 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 2: to go, you know what, let's. 125 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 3: Do hip hop. 126 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do a hip hop two thousands concept, right, 127 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 2: and it went so south. They dressed up as a 128 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 2: bunch of stereotypes. They had bandanas on, they had they 129 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: have these oversized T shirts. They were They're playing into 130 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 2: a bunch of stereotypes. That were a little distasteful, you know, 131 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: I say a little, but to me personally, it was 132 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: very distasteful, right, and it showed that they were very 133 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: unaware of what these kind of things mean, and they're 134 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: just kind of playing into that concept. And this is 135 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: the tea, this is the gossip, this is what has 136 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: happened this month, and and. 137 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 3: I I hope these concerts are good. 138 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: Atis please save please save us, txty, please save us. 139 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: Moving on for our first episode, we have a very 140 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: special and decorated guest and who has kind of graced 141 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: us with his presence and to me, he is so amazing. 142 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: Please everybody welcome Sebastian Garcia. 143 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 4: Fo foks, what's up man? How's it going? Brother? 144 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: What's up man? 145 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: I'm so excited to introduce you, and I'm going to 146 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: tell the people a little bit about what you do 147 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: because I'm kind of like reading this too, and I 148 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: did not know you were this freaking awesome dude. So 149 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 2: I'm going to read off this crazy list of accomplishments. So. 150 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: Sebastian Garcia aka Ruphaiel Hooks is a Nashville based top 151 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: liner that writes lyrics, melodies, and sings. His first major 152 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: label hit was Butter with Bts, which spent ten weeks 153 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: at number one on Billboard Hot one hundred charts and 154 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: has over one billion. 155 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 3: Streams on Spotify. 156 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 2: Sebastian has also worked with artists including Miyabi Atlas, Cravity, 157 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: Pit Bull, Minho, Bailey, Zimmerman, CRFW, Brelan, Big Time Rush, Stephlan, Don, 158 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: Chris Brown and Gray and Bowman and Bama. 159 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 4: Let's go. 160 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 161 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for joining me today and thank you 162 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: for gracing us with your time. And I wanted to 163 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 2: tell everyone kind of like what it was like to 164 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: work with you and kind of just bring the behind 165 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 2: the scenes to. 166 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 3: The front and kind of just tell everybody your story, 167 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: you know. 168 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 4: Man, Thank you brother. I mean, I appreciate you having me. 169 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: Bro. 170 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 5: It's an awesome experience, you know, to be able to 171 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 5: get in the studio with artists and you know, and 172 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 5: to be able to like kind of open up with them. 173 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 4: So I appreciate you having me so i'd be able 174 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 4: to talk about it a little bit. 175 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 3: You know, how long have you been doing this, man? 176 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 5: I think, like professionally on like the Scape, probably maybe 177 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 5: four or five years now. But I mean I think 178 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 5: everything I did beforehand is kind of what prepared me 179 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 5: for the opportunities that I have now. So I mean 180 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 5: that's a tough I would say professionally four or five years, 181 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 5: but before that, I mean probably fifteen years, my whole 182 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 5: life been chasing it. 183 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: I guess you've been writing your whole life. 184 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I think most most writers and songwriters, they 185 00:09:54,640 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 5: kind of go from being artists to then becoming songwriter 186 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 5: as well. 187 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 4: So it's like I've been writing and being an. 188 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 5: Artist and expressing myself creatively probably since I was like 189 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 5: ten or twelve. 190 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 3: Mans as beautiful. 191 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: I feel like everybody has like their art, everyone has 192 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: like their passion, and I think for you to be 193 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: able to kind of like pursue that professionally and like 194 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: kind of come to like a kind of be able 195 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: to get to like a level where you can like 196 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 2: just do it as such like a grand scale, you know, 197 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: means awesome. 198 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 5: So yeah, man, I appreciate it, and I mean I'm 199 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 5: beyond grateful you know that people have. You know, I've 200 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 5: been able to work with so many people and it's 201 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 5: like the fact that they want to even open up 202 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 5: and share a side of their life that we get 203 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 5: to talk about and put into a song is like unrealized. 204 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 4: I pinched myself every day about it. 205 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you right closely with artists, right, Yeah, And 206 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: I remember when we were in the studio, you were 207 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: talking something about like, oh, it's like something that something 208 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: that makes you happy is being able to see an 209 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: artist like bring their vision to life through you and 210 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: you kind of assisting in. 211 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 3: That, Like can you tell me about that? 212 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 5: Like like yeah, man, I mean I personally think like 213 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 5: you know, like when we were in the studio, Yeah, 214 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 5: as I was saying, like when people gravitate towards a 215 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 5: song and they kind of like feel a certain type 216 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 5: of way as we're building it up, we're creating it 217 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 5: from scratch, Like it's really awesome to be able to 218 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 5: be just kind of a little bit of a tool 219 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 5: for the artists to say, hey, I want to say this, 220 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 5: and then maybe I have the opportunity to say, well, 221 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 5: what does that mean to you? And then sometimes making 222 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 5: the way they see it and then me putting my 223 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 5: perspective to it is like it helps them be like 224 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 5: oh wow, I never looked at it that way, And that, 225 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 5: to me is my favorite part. 226 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 4: Is like we both can look at a chair or 227 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 4: a painting. 228 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 5: The painting hits you differently than it hits me, and 229 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 5: it's our job in the studio to be able to 230 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 5: find a synergy between both of those in order to 231 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 5: make like an awesome painting or an awesome song. 232 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 4: You know. 233 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 2: Do you think that's something like uniquely to you or 234 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: like kind of shared between all songwriters? Oh? 235 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 4: No, that's that's tough, Tokay. 236 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 5: I don't I definitely, I mean it could be, and 237 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 5: maybe not. I don't know, maybe everybody else feels the 238 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 5: same way. But like, I think people look at songwriting 239 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 5: and approach their careers in songwriting all in different ways. 240 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 5: You know, some people look at some people look at 241 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 5: it as you know, I go in from sometimes if 242 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 5: you're in Nashville, maybe eleven o'clock till four o'clock, and 243 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 5: then they clock out and you know, and they become 244 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 5: someone else. 245 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 4: Some people it is twenty four to seven. 246 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 5: You know, it's going in writing and then leaving and 247 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 5: listening to that song five hundred times and being like, dang, 248 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 5: this could have been better. So I think sometimes when 249 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 5: people approach people approach creativity differently. And I'm and I'm 250 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 5: just lucky enough that for me, it's it's I think 251 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 5: it's twenty four to seven for me pretty much. 252 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 253 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: The reason I asked this is because, like I think 254 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 2: personally you are super like personable, you know, Like first 255 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: time I met you, I remember, I felt like I 256 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: was just hanging out with one of my friends from 257 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 2: high school. 258 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 3: You know, we're kicking it. 259 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: You know, you're you're like drinking like a red Bull 260 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: and like all this stuff, Like you were dressed exactly 261 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: like this in like the studio, and then I remember Damon, 262 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 2: he pulled me aside, was like, dude, like this guy 263 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: is a big deal. Like this guy like like you're 264 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 2: You're in the presence of something great right now. 265 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, the guard drinking the ribble. 266 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,599 Speaker 5: And I think, like I probably was definitely drinking the 267 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 5: red Bull and probably in a sandwich or something because. 268 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 4: I really normally that food when I'm walking in the studio. 269 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was like, I was like, I think 270 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 2: like that comes through in your art, you know, and 271 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 2: I think you're able to show that and like channel 272 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: that energy through people and like. 273 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 3: The songs and all this stuff. So I think that's awesome. 274 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 4: Thank you, man. 275 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 5: I mean I think again, I kind of go back to, uh, 276 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 5: I kind of go back to the fact that like, uh, 277 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 5: you know, to me, I'm grateful that I'm doing this 278 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 5: every day, and so like when I get to be 279 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 5: in the room with somebody, like you're getting one hundred 280 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 5: and fifty percent of everything that. 281 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 4: I am when we're there. Wow, but thank you man. 282 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 4: I appreciate those words. 283 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: Okay, have you had a moment where you felt like 284 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: starstruck by someone that you've been in the studio with, 285 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: where you like you haven't been able to be yourself 286 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: you know? 287 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 5: Well, I mean I would say one was like my 288 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 5: homie'es Grey, because they they're they're both two amazing songwriters producers, 289 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 5: and I mean they wrote one of my favorite songs 290 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 5: of all time called meet Me in the Middle. And 291 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 5: I remember like kind of telling them like, hey, like, 292 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 5: my starstruckness is not so much in the artist as 293 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 5: much as it is in like songwriters and produce. 294 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 4: I really nerd out on that, like. 295 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 5: Oh wow, yeah, I'm like yo, that person wrote freaking 296 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 5: one of my favorite songs. That person wrote for Chris Brown, 297 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 5: that person wrote for Justin Bieber, And those types of things, 298 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 5: to me are the ones that affect me, so probably 299 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 5: like Grey, Yeah, because they just wrote Meet Me in 300 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 5: the Middle with Maren and Zed and it won Song 301 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 5: of the Year for the Grammys, and that's the biggest 302 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 5: award you can get as a song right now, you know. 303 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 4: So yeah, going over their house. 304 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 5: Before I went over there, I gave myself a little 305 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 5: pep talk in the car and I was just like, hey, 306 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 5: why not be nervous And luckily they were such professionals 307 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 5: that they helped me also like feel comfortable. And maybe 308 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 5: that's why I feel like I always want to try 309 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 5: to do that to everybody else, because the more you 310 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 5: make people feel comfortable, the more people are willing to 311 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 5: try to make mistakes. And I think mistakes always become 312 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 5: learning lessons if you approach them that way, you know. 313 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 3: And you know this is a k pop podcast, you know. 314 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: And I feel like one of the biggest differences I 315 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: felt like when I was recording in America here like 316 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: with you, rather than like recording in Korea and like 317 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: no knock on Like Korea, like they have like their 318 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: own standard and their own own culture of like how 319 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: they do stuff. 320 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 3: But it's very like. 321 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: Like like okay, like like like it's very strict you know, yeah, 322 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: and it's like I think they work hard. 323 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 5: It's just a culture that really really works hard, man, 324 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 5: And it's and I honestly like I did a lot 325 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 5: of like studying when. 326 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 4: I went to Korea. A buddy of mine named Ryan. 327 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 5: June, he was putting on a camp out there and 328 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 5: I was fortunate enough to be a part of it. 329 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 5: A shout out to Ryan for you know, having me 330 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 5: a part of that, and I got to meet such 331 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 5: amazing people. But one thing I really immersed myself was 332 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 5: in learning that like the Korean culture, like they really 333 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 5: work hard, and it's almost normalized. You know, like six 334 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 5: days a week is like normalized. Like that's not hard, 335 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 5: that is just standard there. And so that's why I 336 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 5: think sometimes it's like I remember going out there and 337 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 5: we were working every day. We were like it wasn't 338 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 5: some people think like we just go in the studio 339 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 5: and just like party or like you know, let loose 340 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 5: like what they think it is. But no, man's it 341 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 5: was every day all day from morning till till night time. 342 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 5: But when it's your passion, it's not really it doesn't 343 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 5: feel like work, you know, It's just it feels like dang, 344 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 5: like we could be anywhere else in the world, but 345 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 5: we're right here magic, you know. 346 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 347 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: Well, so you went to Korea to like do this 348 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: camp and all this stuff, Like, can you tell me 349 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 2: about that? 350 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 4: Yeah? 351 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 5: Man, it's I feel like a lot of the K 352 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 5: pop labels and k pop publishing companies do that a 353 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 5: good bit, you know. They they they put on camps 354 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 5: out there. You know, some people go out there for 355 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 5: a week, some people go out there for two weeks, 356 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 5: and you know, it's every day. You're getting to work 357 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 5: with new people from all walks of life, from from Norway, 358 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 5: from Sweden. Some of the best writers are from Sweden. 359 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 5: Some of my favorite writers are from Norway and Sweden, honestly, 360 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 5: And so you get to meet all those types of 361 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 5: people and then you know, they give you ideas of 362 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 5: where these are the labels that are looking, these are 363 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 5: the artists that are looking, and you kind of dive 364 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 5: in and you hopefully try to write something that they 365 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 5: will like and they can start making it into their 366 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 5: own magic as well. 367 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 4: You know. 368 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: Wow, and you congregate in Korea like yes. 369 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 4: Yes, I think I think that. 370 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 5: South Korea is the mecca brok. Yeah, but yeah, man, 371 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 5: we all just uh they normally some of the camps 372 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 5: are out there. I mean some of them don't. They 373 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 5: all don't have to be in Soul Korea. Like some 374 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 5: of the camps they hold them in Germany. I've seen 375 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 5: something held in Switzerland. The good thing about music industry 376 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 5: right now is it's after after COVID, it's become more 377 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 5: It's become more, I guess, socially acceptable to like write 378 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 5: with people from across like from from across the pond. 379 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 5: You know, you can write with people in Europe while 380 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 5: we're out here in Nashville. Before that, I never really 381 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,239 Speaker 5: ever did that. And now it's kind of normal, like 382 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 5: we like it's not a problem. Before it used to 383 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 5: feel a little weird. Now it huh, it's it's a 384 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 5: little more normal. 385 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: I guess so because this, to me, this is so cool, 386 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 2: Like I've never like explored this songwriting side, you know, 387 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 2: like I'm more in tune with like the dancing stuff, 388 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: like how people put together like these choreographies and all 389 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: this stuff. Like so you're telling me, okay, this decision 390 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 2: from how I understand it, You're telling me someone gets 391 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 2: a camp together, right and they tell you who's looking 392 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: for music right now? Like for example, like oh, like 393 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 2: like maybe a company or like a group, like, oh 394 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 2: like let's say NCT is looking for music. Yeah, and 395 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: you guys are in this camp kind of like workshopping 396 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 2: stuff and then trying to be like, okay, uh, let's 397 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 2: write this song for n CT and you kind of 398 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,239 Speaker 2: pitch it to them. If they like it, they'll take it. 399 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 2: If they don't like it, they won't take it. 400 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 3: Okay. 401 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's and and it's almost to the point 402 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 5: where it's like if they like it, they'll take it, 403 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 5: but they always come back with you know, ediots Okay, 404 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 5: they because at the end of the day, when you 405 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 5: write a song, you want to you wanted to make 406 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 5: it be relatable to them, but if they're not always 407 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 5: from the start, if they're not in. 408 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 4: The room, they have to hear. 409 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 5: It and then be like, Okay, now this is the 410 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 5: way I would say it, and this is maybe something 411 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,239 Speaker 5: that is more personable to me. And then that that 412 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 5: kind of goes into another rewrite process. Okay, well, let's 413 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 5: rewrite it the way you would say it. And that's 414 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 5: what becomes very unique and interesting. So the cancer to 415 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 5: start the ideas and then the artist gets to put 416 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 5: their expression behind it, and then we work back and 417 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 5: forth to make sure that it cohesively works together. 418 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: How long does this process usually take if it's from 419 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 2: like from camp to like like boom, see you hear 420 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: it on radio? 421 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 4: Oh that see that? Now? 422 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 5: That just depends, man, I mean it can be different 423 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 5: many times. I'm I know when it was with Butter 424 00:20:55,560 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 5: and BTS, that was a faster process that one. They 425 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 5: also work so ridiculously hard like BTS, Like those guys 426 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 5: were in the studio them playing shows, then practicing rehearsal 427 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 5: like filming, like filming content like, so they work at 428 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 5: a very high face, a fast paced like workflow, but 429 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 5: not saying that other people do not. 430 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 4: They also do as well. 431 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 5: So sometimes it can be like a song can take 432 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 5: three years to come to life. Sometimes it could take 433 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 5: six months. 434 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: Oh wow, Okay, So I think like the. 435 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 4: Key is really just trying to write. 436 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 5: At least for me, I try to write quality songs, 437 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 5: but as well, like the workflow is like I want 438 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 5: to keep writing because you never know. Sometimes the song 439 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 5: you think is a hit now, maybe it's in a 440 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 5: hit right now, but. 441 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 3: In two years, yes, when it comes out, yeah. 442 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 5: It could be the smash everything the hardest thing to 443 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 5: do in this music industry is time things. You just 444 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 5: kind of have to let it happen and see if 445 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,479 Speaker 5: the universe and the world wants to hear it or not. 446 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 4: You know, yeah, wow. 447 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: It's kind of like writing ahead of the current time 448 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 2: a little bit, because you know it's going to come 449 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 2: out later. 450 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 4: One hundred percent. 451 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 2: Man. 452 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,959 Speaker 5: So every time I get in the room with like 453 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 5: an artist that I've never had like the privilege of 454 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 5: working with, I always I don't ever say, hey, play 455 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 5: me what you have out. I just say, play me 456 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 5: what you think is exciting to. 457 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 3: You right now, okay? 458 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 5: Because whatever if I'm working with somebody, whatever they have out, 459 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 5: most times they're already moved on and they want to 460 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 5: do something, something new and something fresh. So everything's always 461 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 5: about I think, writing ahead of the curve, writing what you. 462 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 4: Think, and also just trusting your gut. You know. 463 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 5: I try a lot to just write what I also 464 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 5: believe to be cool, like, and I think that that's 465 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 5: very important because a lot of the times people want 466 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 5: to write what they think other people will think is cool. 467 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 4: I just try to write what I think would be cool. 468 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 5: And hopefully I can live with that and instead of 469 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 5: just chasing trying to be cool, just hopefully, hopefully what 470 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 5: I think is cool hopefully resonates with other people. 471 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 3: Uh huh. 472 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 2: I think it's cool how passionate and involved you are 473 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: in your own art and how seriously you take the 474 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: art aspect of it and making it feel good, you know. 475 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 2: Like for example, like I think there's a like a 476 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: difference with K pop in that I see K pop 477 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 2: as a vessel for all these different creatives to come through, 478 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 2: and K pop is the platform that kind of elevates it, 479 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, So like for example, like like uh, 480 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: like you you mentioned that BTS they work super hard 481 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: on their promotions, their content and like all these things, 482 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 2: and like also their own music, and it's like like 483 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: they developed this fan base that whereas like oh once 484 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 2: once they have like an engine where you guys are 485 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 2: the engine, like the songwriters, the choreographers and like all 486 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: these things. Like once the engine starts running is like 487 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: it's like a it's like a big it's like a 488 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 2: big machine. Like for example, like when you were writing 489 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 2: butter right, yes, and then you saw it take off 490 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: with like the choreography, the big music videos. Uh, like 491 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: all the streams that were coming in. It's different from 492 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: working with like a Western artist. 493 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 4: Right, yeah, I mean it definitely is. 494 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 5: I mean, I think the levels, you know, they're there 495 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 5: are different styles of music. 496 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 4: The level of choreography is, you know, it depends. 497 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 5: So if you're writing with a pop like a pop 498 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 5: like TAKEM create, there's a lot of choreography and her stuff, 499 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 5: But the choreo, I mean, to me, I've just found 500 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 5: the dancers out there. 501 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 4: The choreography is on it. 502 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 5: It's intense, man, Like they've really they really know how 503 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 5: to dance, like. 504 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 4: Really really amazing. And then you know the level of content. 505 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 5: The level of how many people were listening to me 506 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 5: was like it blew me away, man, it blew me away. 507 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 5: I've never seen anything like that before in my life. 508 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 5: So it was definitely on a whole other level. 509 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 2: Honestly, How did it feel seeing like, like seeing that 510 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: complete project for the first time on that scale. 511 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 4: Very very very emotional. 512 00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, beyond grateful, thankful that I was ever like 513 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 5: I was able to be like a small piece of 514 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 5: such a big journey like to me means something, and yeah, 515 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 5: very emotional, you know, just like. 516 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 4: I definitely cried a good bit for sure, because I mean, 517 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 4: you just don't know, like you don't know when you're 518 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 4: ever gonna get. 519 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 5: An opportunity like that again, and it's very few people 520 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 5: on this earth ever get a chance to do that. 521 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 5: So for me, it's like maybe some of the overwhelmingness 522 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 5: came from like kind of me just wondering. 523 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 4: I always ask this question, like why me? There's millions 524 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 4: of people. 525 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 5: On this earth, billions of people on this earth, and 526 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 5: I was one of the ones that got the honor 527 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 5: and the privilege to experience. 528 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 4: A moment like that. So when I asked why me? 529 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 5: I always wonder how I can give back to the 530 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 5: songwriting community that changed my life, and like, so maybe 531 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 5: that's where a lot of the emotions came from. It's 532 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 5: like now I feel almost a pressure of like how 533 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 5: can I help somebody else try to achieve or feel 534 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 5: that moment that dream for. 535 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 4: A little bit, like for at least once in their life, 536 00:25:59,280 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 4: you know. 537 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 5: And if I can do that to somebody else, now, 538 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,239 Speaker 5: that'll probably mean more to me than than this hit 539 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 5: could ever mean to me. 540 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 4: Honestly. 541 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 5: Oh wow, That's that's probably where a lot of the 542 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 5: passion comes from. 543 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 4: For sure. 544 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 3: Is there is there? Like is there like a like a. 545 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 2: Particular like hardship you remember as like a songwriter like 546 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 2: kind of coming up that like kind of like helped 547 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: shape that mindset. 548 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, uh, one hundred percent. 549 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 5: I think like you know, just growing up in general, 550 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 5: and like you're seeing that this is something you want 551 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 5: to do, but like there's being a songwriter like it was. 552 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 5: It was such a weird like there's no blueprint. 553 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: You know. 554 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 5: It's like, hey, yeah, figure it out, you can do this, 555 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 5: you can do that, but like nobody knows just sure 556 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 5: fire right way to do it, Like and uh, I 557 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 5: think it was very scary, and it was very like 558 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 5: lonely knowing that you go into these rooms and you're 559 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 5: technically in a way like pimping yourself out kind of 560 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 5: like it's hopefully I'm. 561 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 4: Cool enough for you to want to write with me again. 562 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 5: And and and then at the same time, you know 563 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 5: you're it's also a very vulnerable spot, like you're opening 564 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 5: up sometimes writing really deep songs about personal things, and 565 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 5: also you're opening yourself up to like you could say 566 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 5: a line and people and you could be like, dang, 567 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 5: they probably thought that was really stupid, And that's vulnerable 568 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 5: to being allowing yourself to be silly or being awkward 569 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 5: in the room, but sometimes that's silly. 570 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 4: Awkwardness is the magic that is needed in a song. 571 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 5: And so yeah, like it's you know, growing up, I 572 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 5: think I noticed a lot of like sometimes like loneliness 573 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 5: of just like dang it. I wish people would understand 574 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 5: like how much I want this, And I think a 575 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 5: lot of people do want it that bad. And I 576 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 5: think that's kind of the driving force. Like I never 577 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 5: had a backup plan. 578 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 4: Dude. It was like this or nothing. Nothing. I wasn't 579 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 4: gonna take anything else. 580 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 5: And and that's why I'm again grateful that I had 581 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 5: this opportunity and I just want to I mean, I 582 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 5: want to keep it going and hopefully change other people's 583 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 5: lives doing it. 584 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 4: Uh huh. 585 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,239 Speaker 3: I s freaking beautiful, dude, Thank you, bro. 586 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: I wrote it down, So, like what advice would you give, 587 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,719 Speaker 2: Like a young songwriter is someone who like looks at 588 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 2: this and goes like I want to write songs, but 589 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: I have no blueprint, Like I don't know what to do. 590 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 2: You know, someone who wants to write for K pop 591 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: or like wants to just be a songwriter like anything, 592 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: Like maybe you when you were like seventeen. 593 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 3: What would you say to that person? 594 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 5: I would say, keep keep writing, like find people, find 595 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 5: people you really want to work with, work on your 596 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 5: work on your social skills. I really think social skills 597 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 5: is something that songwriters like don't focus on a lot. 598 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 5: More like, sure, you can be an amazing songwriter, but 599 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 5: I've also been in the room with some amazing songwriters 600 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 5: that when I left, I didn't feel like there was 601 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 5: a connection to or like I didn't feel like almost 602 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 5: even a way like respected in some ways. 603 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 4: And some of those people you don't want to write with. 604 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 5: Again, I've found that it's not just how talented you are, 605 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 5: it's how you make people feel in the room when 606 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 5: you're done. 607 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 4: Like I think that's more important. 608 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 5: How people remember you is so much more important than talent, 609 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 5: And I would tell them. 610 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,959 Speaker 4: To focus on that, really focus. 611 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 5: Songwriting should be like brushing your teeth, Like you don't 612 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 5: have to think about it, you just do it. That's 613 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 5: what you do every day because that is your medicine. 614 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 5: That is your drug of choice, you know, like being 615 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 5: obsessed with being obsessed with something in some weird way 616 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 5: is is almost like not really a drug, but you know, 617 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 5: it's something that you need in your body. It's something 618 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 5: that you want, and so I think songwriting should that 619 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 5: should be natural to you. Now what you need to 620 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 5: focus on is in the room, how you can make 621 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 5: them feel like be really like be really locked in, 622 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 5: Like don't be on your phone, like scrolling through Instagram 623 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 5: while you're writing with people, like like, you know, definitely 624 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 5: give them everything you got and people will sense that. 625 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: As the artist, we sense that if you're scrolling on 626 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 2: the phone and you know, I'll like I'll I'm like, oh, 627 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: like really, you know. 628 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 5: Just think about the message that that portrays, like hey, 629 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 5: I'm scrolling through Instagram or I'm scrolling through TikTok while 630 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 5: I should really be locked in. And then you know 631 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 5: that can throw somebody off, you know, like and be like, 632 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 5: oh man, maybe this person doesn't like what we're doing. 633 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 5: And that probably isn't the case. Maybe they do like 634 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 5: what they're doing. But you know, a d D is 635 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 5: a real thing. 636 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 2: You don't got to tell me, yeah, man, yeah, And uh, 637 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,959 Speaker 2: I remember like you were asking, like when you were 638 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: kind of like talking about like coming up and all 639 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: these things you were and though and finding that big 640 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 2: hit you were talking about like oh, like why me, 641 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 2: or like what did I do to deserve this, like 642 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: this wonderful grand thing. And I remember after we finished 643 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 2: recording go in the studio, Yeah, I drove you home. 644 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: I drove you back to your hotel, and then you 645 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 2: gave me a talk in the car and you're like, oh, hey, 646 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: this whole thing is about mindset, Like yeah, you have 647 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 2: to believe that no matter what you do, you deserve 648 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 2: what you're doing, and you have to be to star 649 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: in every single room that you walk in. 650 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 3: And that's stuck with me. Dude, thank you. 651 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 4: Man. 652 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 2: I'm just like, yeah, that's ads. Like so excited to 653 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 2: have this conversation today. I was like, yo, like spassions 654 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 2: has some nuggets, you know. 655 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 5: So it's like you're like, man, I mean, I mean, 656 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 5: I believe it, Like I really think. I mean, not 657 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 5: even just as a songwriter, I mean and more so 658 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 5: as an artist, you know, because I really think a 659 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 5: lot a lot of songwriters were also artists in their 660 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 5: own way, you know, and some of them are just 661 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 5: people that like ended up just get having success in songwriting. 662 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 5: I mean, Julian Michael is one of the most biggest 663 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 5: songwriters to ever live, and she also wrote issues and 664 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 5: she she released that song and that song did huge 665 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 5: for her, So it was like, was she just a songwriter? 666 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 4: No, she was a creative the whole time. 667 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 5: And so I feel like every time I would say that, 668 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 5: like when I did say that to you, like I 669 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 5: meant it like, you gotta really believe and trust what 670 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 5: you do, because if you don't believe and trust what 671 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 5: you do, then why should anybody else do it? 672 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 3: Thank you, man, brother, no problem, Bron. 673 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 4: Appreciate you, man. 674 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 5: This has been an awesome freaking time. I mean, and 675 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 5: you know, I'm glad that I got to share time 676 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 5: with you in the studio man, And I love the 677 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 5: platform that you're getting on, you know, expressing showing people 678 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 5: insight into K pop, Like it's such a huge industry 679 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 5: and you know the world needs more just love and 680 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 5: sharing the way you're doing it. 681 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 4: So I appreciate you for doing that, man. 682 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 3: Thank you. 683 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 2: Man. 684 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 3: This whole podcast is about opening. 685 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 2: The hood of the car and just kind of checking 686 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: out what's the engine behind K pop? 687 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 3: And thank you for being such a wonderful engine. Thank 688 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 3: you for making this whole industry work. 689 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 2: Thank you for everything that you've contributed, and thank you 690 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 2: for your art and thank you for being with us 691 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 2: here today. 692 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 4: All right, my man, I'll talk to you lady there. 693 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 2: Man. 694 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 3: I love you, Broat love you see it. 695 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 2: Wow, what a first interview, what a first episode. Thank 696 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 2: you Sabashian Garcia for your time today and shining light 697 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 2: on the artistry that makes up K pop. 698 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 3: And this is what the show is about. I think 699 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 3: I always cried. 700 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 2: During this interview, and you know that's what That's what 701 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 2: we do around here. 702 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 3: Okay, we get real. 703 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 2: This is the K Factor, everything k pop hosted by 704 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 2: Bohan Me And speaking of me, I have a single 705 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 2: coming out, dum Dancing under Moonlight coming out this month, 706 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 2: so please check it out. And you never know where 707 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 2: we might pop out next. 708 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 3: Awsome you guys. 709 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 4: Exp