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Speaker 1: Here we go, the official show on the fish Stripes

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Speaker 1: podcast channel where we cover the Miami Marlins every day

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Speaker 1: in our own way. I'm Eli Sussman, the managing editor

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Speaker 1: of fish Stripes. This show presented by Symbol the Stock

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Speaker 1: Market for Sports. Let the show lead you out of

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Speaker 1: the All Star Breaking into the second half of the

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Speaker 1: Marlin season. Most of this episode is going to be

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Speaker 1: me joined by a friend, a fish Stripes alum, a

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Speaker 1: great baseball mind and content creator, rum Leyden. He's on

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Speaker 1: the pod for the first time in about four months,

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Speaker 1: since towards the end of spring training. So we'll be

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Speaker 1: looking back at some bold predictions from the spring and

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Speaker 1: of course looking forward to the rest of the Marlin season,

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Speaker 1: making some even bolder predictions about the twenty twenty two

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Speaker 1: All Star Game. In the spirit of this All Star break,

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Speaker 1: looking forward to who the impactful Marlins players could be

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Speaker 1: a full year from now. It's fun stuff, silly stuff,

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Speaker 1: but we hope you enjoy all of that. A quick

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Speaker 1: appetizer to this, I wanted to check in on some

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Speaker 1: old friends. I have a longer article about this upon

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Speaker 1: fish stripes dot com about the all old Friends team.

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Speaker 1: Right now where it feels like we were obsessing over

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Speaker 1: this subject in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen when the

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Speaker 1: Marlins in mostly in one big swoop, and then like

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Speaker 1: gradually after that, they traded away that entire core of players,

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Speaker 1: mostly key position players, to other teams, and it left

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Speaker 1: very little in the cupboard to watch on the Marlins themselves,

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Speaker 1: so it was kind of obsessive to follow along what's

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Speaker 1: going on with other teams. Of course, the Marlins are

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Speaker 1: now more competitive now than they were in those first

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Speaker 1: couple of years at the rebuilds, and frankly, a lot

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Speaker 1: of these old friends are just not as productive right

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Speaker 1: now as they were immediately when those trades happened. Yet

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Speaker 1: I still found guys at every single position. It put

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Speaker 1: together a full twenty six man roster of Marlin's ex

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Speaker 1: Marlins players who have had great first halfs. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: that's pushing it a little, a couple of them that

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Speaker 1: simply around. So you know, it's a trip down memory lane,

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Speaker 1: just acknowledging that there are plenty of baseball stories going

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Speaker 1: on even outside of our Marlins orbit. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to touch on all twenty six players here. I picked

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Speaker 1: out I think seven guys here of interest, and I'll

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Speaker 1: do quick hits on them. The first one that should

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Speaker 1: be top of mind if you watch the All Star

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Speaker 1: Game is JT. Real Muto, because not only did he

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Speaker 1: start the All Star Game for the National League, he

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Speaker 1: was still in the game when Trevor Rodgers, the Marlins

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Speaker 1: All Star this year, took the mounds, so they threw

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Speaker 1: to each other in the top of the fifth ending

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Speaker 1: a cool moment. Right after that ending, real Muto came

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Speaker 1: up to and he hit a home run that got

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Speaker 1: the National League on the board in the game. If

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Speaker 1: you just look at his overall production, it continues to

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Speaker 1: be great, particularly when you adjust for the catcher's position.

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Speaker 1: He's still a well above average offensive catcher, great defensive catcher.

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Speaker 1: He has played seventy games in the first half of

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Speaker 1: the season, that's right up there with the largest totals

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Speaker 1: of any catcher in baseball, and he has accumulated two

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Speaker 1: and a half wins above replacement during that first half

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Speaker 1: of the season. He's roughly on pace to be the

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Speaker 1: same guy he was in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: We don't need to rehash all this, but there was

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Speaker 1: a case that the Marlins should have gone farther and

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Speaker 1: made a bigger push to extend him while they still

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Speaker 1: had the chance. That trade has taken a couple of

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Speaker 1: twists and turns. Ultimately, I think both sides are going

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Speaker 1: to be happy with making that trade, both the Phillies

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Speaker 1: starts the first year of a big free agent deal

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Speaker 1: and still with the Phillies. The former nl MVP Gean

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Speaker 1: Carlos Stanton. He's in year four with the Yankees, and

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Speaker 1: as you may know, the Yankees have been one of

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Speaker 1: the more infuriating teams in baseball, more disappointing where they

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Speaker 1: went into the season projected to be perhaps the favorites

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Speaker 1: so much time due to injury of course the Marlins years,

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Speaker 1: On the outside, he looks very much like the same

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Speaker 1: was not an All Star. Of all these guys, the

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Speaker 1: was JT. Continuing here with Christian Yelich, who has one

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Speaker 1: being a weird hitter, just someone that was hard to recognize.

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Speaker 1: Compared to what he had been in the past. This year,

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Speaker 1: Christian Yelich only hitting two forty one, but with a

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Speaker 1: a very weird season for Yelich in the midst of

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Speaker 1: a great season for the Brewers overall. They've been in

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of whackingness going on here with VR.

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Speaker 1: He had not played third base at all in any

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Speaker 1: Because the Mets have so many guys with injuries and

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Speaker 1: because a lot of their hitters have underperformed, the AR

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Speaker 1: On a related note, as we'll get into with arm

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Speaker 1: to the Blue Jays, they brought back Griffin Conine in return,

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Speaker 1: A couple more here on the pitching side. Caleb Smith,

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Speaker 1: second ending. His ERA went up from three four, five

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Speaker 1: which is kind of typical Caleb. It's exactly his career mark,

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Speaker 1: like a fifth starter type or a long man out

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Speaker 1: Seattle Mariners Drew Steckenrider. You remember him. He was drafted

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Speaker 1: I believe you're in Denver right now for the All

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Speaker 1: ago from Seattle in the David Phelps trade, and he

433
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Speaker 1: wasn't even the headliner prospect in that trade. It is

434
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Speaker 1: one of the great values, like in years, that Marlins

435
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Speaker 1: have gotten in any sort of transaction of any kind.

436
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Speaker 1: So he goes into the break over one hundred innings

437
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Speaker 1: pitched already for a guy that has had durability concerns.

438
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing most of all that I

439
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Speaker 1: have loved is the fact that he has not been

440
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Speaker 1: hurt whatsoever. You know, his workload was limited a little

441
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Speaker 1: bit by that ejection by that one pitch ejection, but

442
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Speaker 1: otherwise he has taken the ball every single time he

443
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Speaker 1: was supposed to, and then almost all of us starts

444
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Speaker 1: working into the middle endings. So the fact that he's

445
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Speaker 1: been able to hold up physically, probably on top of

446
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Speaker 1: everything you said, that's what I'm so thrilled for him.

447
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: The fact he's been able to do that. He's going

448
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Speaker 1: to be arbitration eligible for the first time next year,

449
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Speaker 1: he's finally going to be able to make some decent

450
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Speaker 1: money for himself. And the fact that he's been in

451
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Speaker 1: this rotation throughout this entire first half of the year

452
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Speaker 1: has set him up great for that. The one guy

453
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Speaker 1: in this rotation that you'd have to say has been

454
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Speaker 1: even more effective to this point was another guy you

455
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Speaker 1: made that bold prediction about, Trevor Rodgers. I remember very

456
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Speaker 1: specifically that comment that you were kind of wavering as

457
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Speaker 1: to whether or not just to make the prediction for

458
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Speaker 1: him to win the National League Rookie of the Year award.

459
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Speaker 1: The prediction we got you down for was for him

460
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Speaker 1: to finish top three in Rookie of the Year voting,

461
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Speaker 1: and that is a virtual lock at this point. It's

462
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Speaker 1: very rare to have one of these predictions be a

463
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Speaker 1: lock before the second half even starts, but he could.

464
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Speaker 1: There's really like no scenario where he doesn't finish top three.

465
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Speaker 1: He is the clear front runner at this point with

466
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Speaker 1: him kind of the same situation. We just feel that

467
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Speaker 1: I guess he has no matter how high your expectations were,

468
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Speaker 1: you'd have to say he has exceeded them to this point.

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Speaker 3: Right, Oh my gosh. Yeah.

470
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Speaker 4: I mean I wanted to say l Rookie of the Year,

471
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Speaker 4: but I was like, people are going to think I'm

472
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Speaker 4: out of my mind, so I'll say just top three finalists, and.

473
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Speaker 3: We left it did that. But I think when you look.

474
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Speaker 4: At what he was doing in spring training, and I

475
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Speaker 4: know it was spring training, but just watching those starts

476
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Speaker 4: whenever we were able to and getting out there once

477
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Speaker 4: just to see him and just the fastball, how hard

478
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Speaker 4: it is to pick up out of his hand.

479
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Speaker 3: It just looks miserable for right these an left seas.

480
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 4: And then the fact that he has that change up

481
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Speaker 4: that looks just like it until the last fifteen feet

482
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Speaker 4: and just fades out of there, and he's been able

483
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Speaker 4: to make the slider at least usable. He has just

484
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 4: been unbelievable to watch development. I would say I was

485
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Speaker 4: expecting him to have some more bumps in the road.

486
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Speaker 4: I thought he'd have those dominant starts that on a

487
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Speaker 4: Maco scale he'd have a good year. But I'm I'm

488
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Speaker 4: just shocked at how consistent he's been. There really haven't

489
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Speaker 4: been that many blow up starts at all. There hasn't

490
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Speaker 4: been that much inconsistency, especially.

491
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Speaker 3: When considering he's a rookie that.

492
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Speaker 4: Threw a little bit last year and just rolled right

493
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Speaker 4: into this year and has been not only one of

494
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Speaker 4: the best rookies but one of the most consistent arms

495
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Speaker 4: in all of baseball this year in a lot of

496
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Speaker 4: different aspects.

497
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Speaker 1: He has not allowed more than three runs in any

498
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Speaker 1: start this entire first half of the season. The consistency

499
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Speaker 1: is off the charts. Another bold prediction you had. We

500
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Speaker 1: won't spend too much time on this one, because there's

501
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Speaker 1: a lot of factors that go into this, that the

502
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Speaker 1: Marlins would also be top three as a team in

503
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Speaker 1: National League ERA. As of the All Star break, they

504
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Speaker 1: are fifth in the National League. But it is it is.

505
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Speaker 1: It's a virtual tie with the Mets, I think at

506
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Speaker 1: number four and the Padres at number three. It's two

507
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Speaker 1: one hundredth hundredths of a run out of the chase

508
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Speaker 1: in er yeah, point zero two behind the Padres, Padres

509
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: that obviously have bigger names, bigger, more established names, what

510
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: multiple Cy Young Award winners in there in the rotation

511
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Speaker 1: and the lockdown closer and the Marlins are right there,

512
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Speaker 1: so that one will wait it watch. I mean, there's

513
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Speaker 1: a decent shot because we know the Marlins have these

514
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Speaker 1: other exciting arms hopefully coming up the second half of

515
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Speaker 1: the season, and all that. We go back to one

516
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Speaker 1: of my predictions, and you hinted at earlier, was Anthony

517
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Speaker 1: Bender leading the Marlins and saves this season. Based someone

518
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Speaker 1: that was totally off the grid even for me entering

519
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Speaker 1: spring training, but pretty almost immediately after he got on

520
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: that mounds and you can actually see the stuff, you

521
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: could quantify the stuff. I was pretty confident that he

522
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: would be a great major league reliever. He had one

523
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Speaker 1: of the great starts to a career that anybody has

524
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: ever had in terms of the scuoreless streak that he had,

525
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: striking out everybody left and right. The one time that

526
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Speaker 1: I've maybe started to doubt him a little bit a

527
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, he came back and had his best

528
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: game yet when he was Pablo like, he went through

529
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: like six Braves hitters and he struck all six of

530
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Speaker 1: them out in one of those games in Atlanta. So

531
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Speaker 1: overall he did pick up one save. He got one

532
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Speaker 1: d before the break, But he has a pretty big

533
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: mountain to climb to get to Yimmy because Yemmy Garcia

534
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Speaker 1: for the most part, has had most of those save opportunities.

535
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Speaker 1: You could talk about Bender a little bit, but that's

536
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Speaker 1: kind of also a bridge to Yimmy as well. That

537
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: he's a pending free agents, so you would think the

538
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: Marlins are going to do everything possible to try to

539
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: find a trade fit for him at the deadline to

540
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: kind of clear the way for how do you think

541
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: that is going to play out with the closer's role

542
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: the second half of the year, that you feel confident

543
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: that Yimmy's going to get traded and that if he

544
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Speaker 1: does get traded, is Bender definitely the next man up

545
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: to get those saves?

546
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Speaker 4: I would think, so, you know, and real quick on

547
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Speaker 4: the er thing, I made a bet with a couple

548
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 4: of guys on our staff that they.

549
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: Gave me two to one odds on the Just Baseball.

550
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Speaker 4: Staff that the Marlins would not I said they would

551
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 4: finish in the top ten in era in Major League Baseball,

552
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 4: and I just said starting rotation. So that's looking pretty

553
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 4: good on that regard. And they did it without six though,

554
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 4: so and you mentioned some of the guys coming up.

555
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 4: But to answer the Bender thing, that is to me

556
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 4: a no brainer. But we know how Don likes to

557
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 4: stick with his guys, and it's admirable in a lot

558
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 4: of lays, but sometimes you can get a little bit frustrating,

559
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 4: and I think the front office is going to see

560
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 4: it as an opportunity to take what you can get

561
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Speaker 4: save a few bucks by getting out from the couple

562
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 4: million overall, I guess you'd probably be like seven hundred

563
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: thousand million bucks left on the rest of the contract

564
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 4: this year. But if you can get whatever you can

565
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Speaker 4: get some teams that aren't looking to give up a

566
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 4: premium for a reliever. It seems like it makes just

567
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 4: way too much sense of trading me. I could be

568
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 4: shocked if he stays.

569
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Speaker 3: Then who else are you going to?

570
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 4: Who else is even reasonably in contention for taking that

571
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 4: ninth inning. I just don't see how it could be

572
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 4: anybody other than Anthony Bender, and I forgot that you

573
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 4: made that prediction. I was saying, I didn't remember if

574
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Speaker 4: you did it, what a prediction that was, because I've

575
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 4: just been bored by him. I've talked to a couple

576
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 4: of guys that play on the indie ball team that

577
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 4: he played on in Milwaukee, the Milkman, and they said

578
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 4: that he's almost like a legend over there about what

579
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 4: he was able to figure out and how he could

580
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 4: parlay it into what he's doing in the major leagues.

581
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 4: And he's like this year's Nick Anderson. I think he's

582
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: right on that same trajectory. Hopefully can stay healthy, but

583
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Speaker 4: I really think he can. He can be that same

584
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Speaker 4: type of guy.

585
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope. So I really do we get For

586
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: so many reasons, I've really enjoyed watching Anthony Bender pitch

587
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: where with ram Leyden of course making his seconds appearance

588
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: on the pod so far this season, revealing some bold

589
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: predictions we made early in the year. We got to

590
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: half of them already. There was one on each side

591
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: for us that did not age well at all years

592
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: with Corey Dickerson making the NL All Star Team, and

593
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: that wasn't that wasn't even like the most surprising pick

594
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: he made, I thought, because he was for a lot

595
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: of people a very popular bounce back candidate for the season.

596
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: He had been an All Star before, he was still

597
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: potentially in the prime of his career or not far

598
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Speaker 1: removed from it, and now he's in Toronto recovering from

599
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: a foot injury. Never really, I guess you could say

600
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Speaker 1: the very beginning of the season. You may remember he

601
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Speaker 1: was like piling up the hits the first few weeks

602
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: of the season. He was hitting like three point fifty

603
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Speaker 1: into the middle of April. You know, there was a

604
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Speaker 1: little flash that you were onto something there, but didn't

605
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: really pan out, unfortunately for Corey. Wishing him all the

606
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: best the rest of the year. Hope he gets back

607
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: healthy and contributes to an exciting Blue Jays team. And

608
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Speaker 1: for me, the one that age the worst at this

609
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Speaker 1: point is Cameron Meisner, as someone who I thought would

610
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: be minor League Player of the Year consideration, the former

611
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: Comp rounds pick for the Marlins just two years ago.

612
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: He's been with BLIT all year. He is, he's doing

613
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: some positive things down there. I mean, he's a really

614
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: dynamic bas dealer and doing it really efficiently. He's been

615
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: for the most part, pretty healthy over there, decent on

616
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: bass skills and defense, but just not showing enough impact

617
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: with the bat to really be in that mix.

618
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Speaker 2: One.

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Speaker 1: Let's say there were two other ones from me that

620
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: I also want to touch on. I guess what Jazz

621
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: will spend a moment on him, because my prediction this

622
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: was people need to put themselves in the right mind

623
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Speaker 1: frame here. This was the middle of March and spring training,

624
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: still two weeks ago in spring, and Jazz got off

625
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: to a relatively slow start to spring. Ean Diaz got

626
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: off to a great start, and when we were recording

627
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: that in the middle of March, I think Eastan was still,

628
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: you know, the slight betting favorite to win that second

629
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: base job out of spring training. But yet I predicted

630
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: that Jazz would reach twenty home runs. As we get

631
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: to the All Star break, he is at eleven, and

632
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: he would be even on a better pace if he

633
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: didn't miss time to do a couple lower leg injuries.

634
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: But overall, with Jazz, we're in a pretty interesting spot

635
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: with him because he was the talk of baseball for

636
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: most of April, got hurt. Since coming back, there have

637
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 1: been some other really fantastic moments, but his consistency has

638
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: been very up and down overall. How do we feel

639
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: about where he is at the All Star break in

640
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: his first major league season.

641
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Speaker 3: I think the one thing you said is really important.

642
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 4: Remember where we were at mindset wise, and where we

643
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 4: were at with our mind fans, because this was a

644
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 4: situation where we're saying I was guilty of it, where

645
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: I was saying, maybe it makes sense to give you

646
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 4: some on the nod right because.

647
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: He hasn't he doesn't need anything else to prove in

648
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: Triple A.

649
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 4: And then we saw you so on playing the BIGS,

650
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 4: and I was very much keen on maybe finding somebody

651
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 4: else to fill in there.

652
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: But Jazz has exceeded my expectations.

653
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 4: I know he's been up and down, and it's not

654
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 4: because I don't think Jazz could be a star. I

655
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 4: just thought it was going to be a little bit

656
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 4: less of the explosiveness and the production that we've seen.

657
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 4: I know what he's capable of, but I didn't think

658
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 4: he'd be able to do it on this scale. When

659
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 4: a leadoff spot for the Marlins, being one of and

660
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 4: in Spurts their best offensive player, you know that is

661
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: something that I thought was going to be more of

662
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 4: a slow roll with him, especially after seeing him last year.

663
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: I think, as you alluded to right now, that the

664
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 4: issue is that the league is figuring out how to

665
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 4: pitch to him a little bit. He's still able to

666
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 4: scratch and call and get his big hits, but I

667
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 4: think what we're really seeing himself for now is that

668
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 4: the league has figured out that the high stuff, you know,

669
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 4: the v lo up, is something that can get him sometimes,

670
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 4: especially if you sequence it excuse me properly, and we're

671
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 4: seeing him struggle with that at times. So he'll go

672
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 4: to one for four with a double or a homer

673
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 4: and the three strikeouts, and still, given that he's a

674
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 4: rookie and given his volatile skill set, I think this

675
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 4: is a great outcome and the Marlins can feel really confident.

676
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 4: Marlins fans can feel really confident that he's going to

677
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 4: be a big part of the few mature and he's

678
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 4: only going to get better and find more consistency. So

679
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 4: I came away really really encouraged through this first half.

680
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 4: I don't think he could have went much better in

681
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 4: terms of reasonab ability.

682
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 3: Maybe he stayed healthy, he probably would.

683
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 4: Even have a little bit more consistency on the Meisner

684
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 4: side real quick too. I was just in South End

685
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 4: and I I we'll talk about that a little bit too,

686
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 4: But just seeing that whole Deloite team play, you look

687
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 4: at Meisner physically and athletically, he stands out among everybody there.

688
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 3: Really.

689
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 4: I mean, there's nobody that really looks the part more

690
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 4: than Meisner in terms of just the big league body

691
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 4: and athleticism.

692
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: And you look and there's not really anything that stands out.

693
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 4: I was sitting there looking at my buddy and I

694
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 4: was saying, why is this guy not hitting? It's really

695
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 4: hard to tell. He doesn't expand his zone, he doesn't

696
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 4: have a big swing, he doesn't have a terrible approach,

697
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 4: but it's just not really translating. I think it's definitely frustrating.

698
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say the ship is sailed or

699
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 4: anything like that, but you're just wondering because I watch

700
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 4: him and nothing stands out to me that's that bad.

701
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 4: It just seems like he just can't get it going.

702
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 4: I still believe in big time, and that has to

703
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 4: be one of the more surprising because I would say

704
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 4: that was one of your safer picks that we made

705
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 4: here and these bold predictions.

706
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: That's I think that's what you learn when you look

707
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: back at bold predictions is that the most logical ones,

708
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: the easiest ones, are the ones that maybe age the worst,

709
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: and that it's the ones that when you really stretch

710
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: your imagination, those are the ones that actually do fan out.

711
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: One more bold prediction on each side to look back on.

712
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: I had thought they the Marlins could have the very

713
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,959
Speaker 1: best defense in all baseball, the best fielding, whether that's

714
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: by the eye test or a variety of advanced stats,

715
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: and to this point they've been pretty firmly above average.

716
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: A lot of individual guys that really have lived up

717
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,479
Speaker 1: to the hype. I mean, I was kind of betting

718
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: on a mix of these young guys emerging, these young

719
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: athletes that we've already known so much about coming through

720
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: the farm system, and also a combination of these veteran

721
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: guys either turning back the clock or aging very gracefully.

722
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: And so it's been some hit or miss there where

723
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: Adam Duvall, for one, sticks out. He's been fantastic defensively,

724
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: occasionally at all three outfield spots and mainly in right field.

725
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: Starling Marte has done great defensively as well when he's

726
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: been healthy. Unfortunately, we had the injury to Brian Anderson

727
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: and we've seen that drop off there at third base defensively,

728
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 1: I was making that prediction in mind that we would

729
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: see a lot of Leywin Diaz at first base, and

730
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: his opportunities have been pretty limited thus far due to

731
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: having Aguilaar and Cooper Cooper having I mean, he's been

732
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: the best hitter on the team overall, but he's getting

733
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: back some of that value in right fields when he

734
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: plays out there. So it's been kind of hit or miss,

735
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, slightly above average defense overall there, but on

736
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: your side, and this is the one that we want

737
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: to get to. The one that you would said, even

738
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: admittedly was thinking more with your heart than with your mind,

739
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: was picking Griffin Conine as the potential Marlins Minor League

740
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: Player of the Year in his first full year in

741
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: the organization after being acquired from the Blue Jays in

742
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: Jonathan vr trade. It's the same Griff and co nine

743
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: of course, that is the son of Jeff. Co Nine's

744
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: son of Jeff, and his season it started off pretty

745
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: solidly and then I guess most recently is as hot

746
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: as he's ever been. I mean, this past week I

747
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: thought he would win, like high a Central Player of

748
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: the Week, and he just missed out on that award.

749
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: But I mean that's kind of bearing the lead. He

750
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: is leading minor league baseball in home runs. He's leading

751
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: all levels of the minors in home runs as we go.

752
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: This is the exact midpoint of the minor league season.

753
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: We're a little past the major league midpoint, but this

754
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: is exactly midway through the minor league season, and he

755
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: is his production is off the charts. I mean, I

756
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: could go through the stats in a moment, but you

757
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: and Griff go way back personally, and as you just said,

758
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: you got to see him in person for a couple

759
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: of days in South Bends, Indiana, I guess on your

760
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: way to Denver. Just how do you sum up what

761
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: Griff has done for the first sixty games of this

762
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: minor league season.

763
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he hitting the nail on the head

764
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: with a lot of it.

765
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: Of course, it was admittedly a prediction with my heart

766
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 4: a little bit, But at the same time, I watched

767
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 4: him work so hard through the offseason, and and not

768
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 4: just on working out and those things like deliberately looking

769
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 4: at his swing.

770
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: How can I be more efficient? How can I be

771
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: more consistent?

772
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 4: And yes, the strikeouts have still been there, that's something

773
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 4: that people like to highlight, but you look at the

774
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 4: last two weeks, those have been cutting down more and more.

775
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 4: But the swing is different and we're seeing it play

776
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 4: at a much more consistent level. And I just think

777
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: with Griffin, we talked about guys who looked the part

778
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 4: like Meisner. You're not going to find somebody with much

779
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 4: more power in the minor leagues than Griffin going on.

780
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 4: I mean, you see the balls that he hits. It's

781
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 4: never a cheap one. You'll get his home run, the

782
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 4: fly ball, right. Fifty percent of the balls he hits

783
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 4: in the air leaving the yard and a lot of

784
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 4: people say that's unsustainable, But with a guy like Griff,

785
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 4: I really think it is sustainable. When he gets it

786
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 4: in the air, it's probably going to go because he

787
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 4: does it to all fields. His spray charts ridiculous as well.

788
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 4: It was awesome to go out there. It got to

789
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 4: catch him on his birthday. He homered in all three

790
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 4: games I was there at. Do you know in the

791
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 4: highest central player of the week is how does nine

792
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 4: home runs in thirteen games.

793
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 3: Not win player.

794
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: I didn't recognize the name. It was somebody that had

795
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: a higher batting average during the week than than code

796
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: I did. Because almost all of his hits that week

797
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: for home runs, so it was close. I imagine it

798
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 1: was very close.

799
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 4: So the last thing I'll say on that is, you know, everybody,

800
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 4: of course, the follow up question is, but this guy's

801
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 4: twenty one home runs, This is incredible, But what about

802
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 4: the strikeouts? And it's totally fair. Even Griffin will tell you, like,

803
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 4: I know, I know about the strikeouts, like I get it.

804
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: But right now it's.

805
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 4: Actually lower than it was for the first time this year,

806
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 4: strike out rates lower than it was in twenty nineteen

807
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 4: and eighty ball. He'scept forty one home runs over his

808
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 4: last one hundred and thirty something games, and he walks

809
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 4: a ton, and I think that really hedges things. You know,

810
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 4: if you're looking at Joe Adell, who's right up there

811
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 4: in home runs with him, obviously at triple A, Joe

812
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 4: Adell strikes out right around the same amount, but he

813
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 4: walks maybe a third of the time or amount of

814
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 4: the time that Griffin does. And I really believe that

815
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 4: walks hedge that strikeout issue lot, and a guy like Griffin,

816
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 4: I don't see the strikeouts being more of a matter

817
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 4: of swing and miss. Sometimes. I think it's just he

818
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 4: doesn't see a lot to hit. He quickly finds himself

819
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: in these two strike counts if he bounds one pitch off,

820
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 4: gets another breaking ball that's located, and then all of

821
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 4: a sudden, it's defense mode.

822
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: And these zones are huge in a ball. I mean,

823
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 3: it's crazy.

824
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 4: I talked to Zach Cohne, who recently signed with the Marlins,

825
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 4: and he's in well Way now, but they brought him

826
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 4: up to Triple A to fill in for a little

827
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 4: bit and then back down to a ball and he

828
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 4: said the zone felt like it was a third of

829
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 4: the side. He thought he got wrung up like three

830
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 4: different times, and it's like, oh.

831
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: This is nice, this is really cool.

832
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 4: So as somebody that walks a lot, I do really

833
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 4: believe that Griffin will benefit from the tighter zones at

834
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 4: the higher levels, because for him, it's not a matter

835
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 4: of chasing an egregious amount or swinging and missing an

836
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 4: egregious amount. I really think it's just a little bit

837
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 4: of seeing a lot of breaking stuff and still trying

838
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 4: to figure out how these pictures are going to attack

839
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 4: you because the scouting reports don't really help them because

840
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 4: the scouting reports don't pertain to him. So it's going

841
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 4: to be interesting to see how that translated to the

842
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 4: next few levels. But he can't be doing much more

843
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 4: right now to get the motion to double A and

844
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 4: you got to figure it's only a matter at the time.

845
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, we're recording this right before the new minor

846
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: league week starts. It's very possible that I don't know,

847
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: you'd probably know first if he got promoted, right Yeah,

848
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: so I think you can confirm that he's not getting

849
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: promoted right now to start this week, that for the

850
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: moments he's still with Bulloit.

851
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: I can confirm he's heart absolutely nothing. So that's all

852
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: I can say.

853
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 4: But I will say that there's a new locker in Beloit,

854
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 4: so in an outfielder in the Marlins org so that

855
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 4: is interesting. That was above, so I don't know it hasn't.

856
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 4: That was a couple of days ago where one of

857
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 4: the guys that was above has a new locker in

858
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 4: Bloy and that hasn't translated into Griffin getting called up,

859
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 4: So we'll see.

860
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm looking at it.

861
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 4: When I was talking to a couple of the bloy like,

862
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 4: if Griffin's not getting called up, what the hell do I.

863
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 3: Have to do?

864
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 4: The kind of thing, And I feel like you have

865
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 4: to almost call him up because of that too, Like

866
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 4: these players are gonna be sitting there thinking, this dude

867
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 4: has twenty one Jackson, he's not getting moved up.

868
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: What do I have to do to get moved up?

869
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 3: And by the way, one little plug, I want to

870
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: just say how impressed I was with Baub Hollins.

871
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 4: That's one of those guys that you have to watch

872
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 4: day in and day outcause God was a big leaguer

873
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 4: and you can just tell he carries himself so well.

874
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: He does everything fundamentally sound.

875
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 4: He'll tell you himself, I don't have a plus tool,

876
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 4: but he does everything well.

877
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: I really think he's like a big league utility time.

878
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 4: And that guy really impressed me on and off the

879
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 4: field in terms of his mindset and in terms of

880
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 4: the way he proaches the game.

881
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 3: I had to throw Bubba in there. Just an awesome

882
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: guy and a great player.

883
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he's been red hot. I've seen his stats.

884
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: He's been terrific, especially lately. He got a little bit

885
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: of time up in Double A and then got back down,

886
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: but he might be going up soon. And I mean

887
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 1: we're recording this right after right as the draft pretty

888
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: much just ended, and the Marlins took a lot of

889
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: college players outside those first two prep guys. That took

890
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: a couple college outfielders who you imagine will either be

891
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: they could make a case to be plugged in at Beloit,

892
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: and when you're running out of room at Beloit, you

893
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: might as well move somebody up. So I think one

894
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: way or an that co nine within it's just a

895
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: matter of weeks, I would think, until especially now that

896
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: these draft picks are here, once they finally get signs,

897
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: I think that is ultimately is what's gonna push him up.

898
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: So in the very near future he'll get tested that

899
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: Double A again. Just like go through some of the

900
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: stats for people that aren't familiar. Is his OBP is

901
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: right around four hundred, his slugging is right around six hundred.

902
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: His weighted runs created plus is one sixty one, sixty

903
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: one percent better than league average. He's played every single game,

904
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: and he's doing it pretty much half against guys that

905
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: are younger than him. Half that are against guys older

906
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: than him. Yeah, he's ready for a next challenge, even

907
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: though it is as even you admit, it's a pretty

908
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: tricky player to like project moving forward because of the strikeouts,

909
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: because of specifically the swings and misses. On that same

910
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: related note, though, as mentioned of top you got a

911
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: new podcast that's part of Just Baseball with Jeff with

912
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,479
Speaker 1: mister Marlin himself Outside the Box. A few episodes into

913
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: that show, and I've been listening to each of those

914
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: pisodes so far that with him that you know him

915
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: pretty well, but it sounds like every single episode he

916
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: finds something to tell you that you didn't already know about,

917
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: and it's it's really well, you might as well talk

918
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: about it yourself about what exactly that show focuses on.

919
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: What does the outline that the show goes through each

920
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: episode and how does it kind of marry both his

921
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: career as a player and also those contemporary baseball topics.

922
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a great question because it's something

923
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 4: that we've set our baseline, but it's also a bit

924
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 4: fluid because he just he takes so much of his

925
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 4: knowledge for granted, because of course he's seventeen year vet,

926
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 4: you know, and just sometimes I'm like, Jeff, that's a

927
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 4: crazy story, man, Like you got to tell that. And

928
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 4: the crazy thing about it is a lot of the

929
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 4: stuff I've never heard before.

930
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 3: A lot of this stuff Griffin has never heard before.

931
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 4: We'll be hanging out at dinner and Griffin's been We'll

932
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 4: be like, I've never heard that story. And so in

933
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 4: the last episode we just put out, he's talking about

934
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 4: his trip to Tokyo to sign each row and it's

935
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 4: just stuff like that that it's just endless. He's got

936
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 4: so many stories. But what I love about our baseline

937
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 4: is that we start every episode he wears one of

938
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 4: the he has. If you saw his man cave, he

939
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 4: has just it's almost all the way around. The entire

940
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 4: place is just signed jerseys from players that he interacted

941
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 4: with that he really enjoyed or really appreciated. And so

942
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 4: every episode he wears a jersey but won't let me

943
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 4: see the number who it is. I can only see

944
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 4: the team. I try and guess who it is and

945
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 4: then uh, tell me the story behind that player. And

946
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 4: I mean, the last episode was about Ouzzie Smith and

947
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 4: how he met him in the All Star Game, and

948
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 4: just how good of a guy he was. The episode

949
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 4: before that, it was George Brett, and it's just I

950
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 4: almost forget myself just how many incredible ballplayers that he

951
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 4: crossed paths with.

952
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: You look at the All Star rosters from the mid

953
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 3: nineties that he was on.

954
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 4: Holy crap, Like it's just straight Hall of famers from

955
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 4: top to bottom.

956
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: So you're just being able to just almost be a

957
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 3: megaphone for him.

958
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 4: For That's what I want to do, is just be like,

959
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 4: ask the questions that I feel like the listeners would

960
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 4: want to hear, just because he has such a wealth

961
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 4: of knowledge that I want to show and I want

962
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 4: to be that platform for him. So just trying to

963
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 4: teae him up and allow him to share that knowledge,

964
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 4: whether it's talking about the Derby and predicting and as

965
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 4: a guy that hit four twenty in course field, why

966
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 4: it's so much easier to hitting course field Beyond just

967
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 4: the altitude, you know, there's a lot of other things

968
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 4: that go into it, and then into things like CBA

969
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 4: as a guy that was involved with that during his strike,

970
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 4: and just so many different things. And then of course

971
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 4: the incredible stories of you know, playing in the World

972
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 4: Series and playing against some of these different players and

973
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 4: hitting against Mariano, and it's just for me sometimes I

974
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 4: have to sit back and think, holy crap, you know,

975
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 4: this is just such an honor to be able to

976
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 4: pick this guy's brain. He faced Mariano, he faced all

977
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 4: these guys. He just has so much insight. And I'm

978
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 4: really excited about the podcast. I really think Marlins fans

979
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 4: and beyond will enjoy it because of the way Jeff

980
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 4: is able to just convey everything that he has in there.

981
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 4: His recall is unbelievable, and I try to do my

982
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 4: best to get the best out of him. And it

983
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 4: feels like a really good, a really good combination that

984
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 4: we have going here in the show, and it's only

985
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 4: gonna get.

986
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: Better outside the available now on Spotify and on Anchor.

987
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: I guess the wedding on Apple Podcasts, which is I

988
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: guess me personally. I listened to it, but any day now,

989
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: as you explained to me, any day now, it's just

990
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: it's not your fault. Do you know that it's gonna

991
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: be I'm trying.

992
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think it's gonna it's gonna make it

993
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 4: on Apple and Griff's gonna get caught up to double

994
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 4: a on the same thing.

995
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 3: I think that's what's gonna.

996
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: Happen, right, Yeah, that'd be perfect and uh yeah, and

997
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: for whatever reason people can't find it. You post those

998
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: episodes also on the website on Just Baseball dot com. Yeah,

999
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: I've seen those article pages as well. So that gets

1000
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: you all plugged in on that pod. With this, you

1001
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: have other stuff to get to here on this All

1002
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: Star weekend, so I wanted to avoid branching into too

1003
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: many different topics. The one we want to finish on

1004
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: here is another rounds of predictions following those bold predictions

1005
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: we made about the twenty twenty one marl And season.

1006
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: We are recording this in the midst of the All

1007
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: Star festivities. I want to look ahead an entire year

1008
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: to the twenty twenty two All Star festivities and which

1009
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: Marlins are going to be there. So the premise I

1010
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: wanted to come up with was the top five Marlins

1011
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: candidates who think who could be All Star worthy next season.

1012
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: I wanted to cut off at five just because I

1013
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: think you know this as someone that grew up a

1014
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: Marlins fan and covered the Marlins that I mean they

1015
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: could go like ninety and oh in the first half

1016
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: of next year, they could be undefeated, and even then

1017
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: they're probably not getting more than five All Stars. They're

1018
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: just the limitations with the fan voting, with just the

1019
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: recognition of these individual players that I think, no matter what,

1020
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: you name five guys and that's probably going to cover it,

1021
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: no matter in the absolute best case scenario, that's where

1022
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: they'll probably cap it off before the other teams get

1023
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: in the mix. There's and that's all. I've given you

1024
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: enough time to kind of marinate it over. I will

1025
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: start with mine. I will kind of just go through

1026
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,959
Speaker 1: this really informally about who we think these top five

1027
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: guys the Marlins All Stars in twenty twenty two would

1028
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: be for me. I wanted to start with Jazz, who

1029
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: various points this year we thought he had a shot

1030
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons, not just like his overall

1031
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: skill set and his production, but the fact that the

1032
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: flair that he plays with, he's like the really the

1033
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 1: one guy that you could definitely see being a fan

1034
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: elected starter. He is so sort of transcendents on that

1035
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: really select list of guys that are mesmerizing to watch.

1036
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: I guess he's a tier below show. Hey Otani, He's

1037
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: not Otani, but he's in that next tier of extremely,

1038
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: extremely fun players that do everything with a certain sense

1039
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: of style. I guess one other factor for me is

1040
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: I'll make the assumption that they find some way, somehow

1041
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: to hold on to Miguel Rojas next year, and that

1042
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: Jazz is still a second baseman because we know how

1043
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: loaded shortstop is in the National League for the foreseeable future.

1044
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: But with second base, he had a chance. Honestly this year,

1045
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: if he never got hurt, he would have had a

1046
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: chance at second base in the NL, and I think

1047
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: that kind of lowers the bar needed for him to

1048
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: break through. So I imagine, was he one of the

1049
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: guys of the five names that are on top of

1050
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: mind for you that you think would have a shot next.

1051
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 4: Year one hundred percent because of exactly what you said

1052
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 4: right at the end of the day. It's a popularity

1053
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 4: contest to a degree too, and the Marlins have trouble

1054
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 4: with popularity, and he's that transcendent guy. But I also

1055
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 4: think he could do it on merit just from what

1056
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 4: he's capable of next year as well. So you combine

1057
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 4: those two, he seems like the best bet. But to

1058
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 4: go with with a different name. As to who I

1059
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 4: think could crack it next year, I think Pablo might

1060
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 4: finally do it, and he had he really had a

1061
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 4: chance this year, I.

1062
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 3: Think, I don't, I don't really know. Let me start over.

1063
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 4: If he played for another ball club, I think there's

1064
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 4: a very good chance that he was in the All

1065
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 4: Star Game this year. And I mean even like, look

1066
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 4: at in the AL you say Kikuchi got in with

1067
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 4: like a three four six era.

1068
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: You know, it's just like there's there's some situations there

1069
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 3: where I think if he was on the right team,

1070
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: he's in. I think that as the as the league

1071
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 3: starts to become more.

1072
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 4: Aware of how consistent this guy is, and he's not

1073
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 4: going to give them a choice as he continues to

1074
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 4: just put up numbers and eer and the lower threes,

1075
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 4: quality start after quality start. If he has a hot

1076
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 4: start to his season, has a really good stretch where

1077
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 4: he's in the high twos, I think that that is

1078
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 4: an easy scenario where he gets in next year, especially

1079
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 4: as people start to see his personality as well. I'm

1080
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 4: hoping that that's something that starts to be highlighted a

1081
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 4: bit more in terms of just how good of a

1082
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 4: guy he is.

1083
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 3: And I think it will as he continues to pitch.

1084
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 4: It's going to be one of those slower developing things,

1085
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 4: not like the Jazz explosion.

1086
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 3: But I do think the game is slowly going to start.

1087
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 4: Maybe that's a little bit of the homerrism to me,

1088
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 4: but I do think people in the game are going

1089
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 4: to start to appreciate Pablo more and more as he

1090
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 4: just does it for long enough time where you can't

1091
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 4: look the other way anymore.

1092
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: Right, Pablo, you may be surprised that he just missed

1093
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: my top five. He is not among my five guys.

1094
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: You will find out why pretty soon. The one this

1095
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: is a pretty loose ranking, but the one that is

1096
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: second to me is the current All Star for the Marlins,

1097
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: Trevor Rodgers. Everything that he does, you did a good

1098
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: job describing it earlier in the pod. That he seems legit,

1099
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: This seems sustainable. What Trevor does, he has plus velocity

1100
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: from the left side. He has such a difficult it's

1101
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: so difficult to pick up the ball out of his hands.

1102
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 1: That change up is incredible. The slider. The slider improves

1103
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: so much from where it was just a really short

1104
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: time ago. With those three pitches and with pretty good commands,

1105
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: especially with the fastball, great fastball command that he's going

1106
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: to it's going to be so hard for him to

1107
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: have bad outings. As we've seen this year, he has

1108
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: not had, you know, a true bad outing that that

1109
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: consistency is going to keep his stats exactly where they

1110
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: should be. And it's even no offense to Pablo, but

1111
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: it's even a sexier style statistically, at least because he

1112
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: has those days where he does pile up the strikeouts

1113
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: against lefties, against right e's. It's it's great, and he

1114
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: has come so far in a year's time because a

1115
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: year's time, he was not even on the radar to

1116
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: impact them Orlands team a year ago, and now he

1117
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: is this So to me, among all the pitchers, I

1118
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: have him at the top of the list. And that

1119
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: kind of also bakes into just my mindset that pitchers

1120
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: the injury rate is a lot higher, it's more unpredictable.

1121
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: So for me, just in general, I would lean towards

1122
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: expecting position players. I think the position players are kind

1123
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: of easier to count on being healthy next year. But

1124
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: other than that, I mean, I have my total trust

1125
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: in Trevor moving forward.

1126
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 4: One hundred percent and I think what's impressed me the

1127
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 4: most of Trevor is the change up, and as I

1128
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 4: mentioned it earlier, but it gives him such a good

1129
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 4: pitch against writings. He's actually better against writies oftentimes because

1130
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 4: it just fades. It just fades right off the table

1131
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 4: and I have no chance to hit it. But it's

1132
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 4: such a good pitch as well. That he can go

1133
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 4: left on left with the change up as well, that

1134
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 4: just makes me feel like that's a guy to me.

1135
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 4: Not only do I think he is their best bet

1136
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 4: next year, I think he could be a guy that

1137
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 4: does it several years. I mean, as long as he

1138
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 4: stays healthy. It's crazy you talk about the development. It

1139
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 4: wasn't that long ago when we were saying, you know

1140
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 4: who's better Braxting Garrett or Trevor Rodgers.

1141
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 3: Right, they were like neck and neck, not that long

1142
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 3: ago or not.

1143
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 4: Not one was clear and a way more projectable than

1144
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 4: the other. And now it's just not even close. And

1145
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 4: that's not even to knock Braxton Garrett. It's more so

1146
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 4: just a testament to how damn good Trevor Rodgers has been.

1147
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 4: And I think it's just so smooth and easy for

1148
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 4: him and the biggest thing that stands out to me

1149
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 4: is that you mentioned the fastball, how well he commands it,

1150
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 4: how hard it is to hit. Even when his stuff

1151
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 4: isn't on, He's able to have a good baseline and

1152
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 4: compete because of how good that fastball is, and you

1153
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 4: can lean on it heavily and get through six innings,

1154
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 4: get through five innings of a couple of runs even

1155
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 4: when he's off. And for that reason, I think that's

1156
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 4: what makes him the best the best bet for the

1157
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 4: Marlins to have an All Stars because again, he's not

1158
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 4: going to have those blow ups starts to dismantle your

1159
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 4: All Star projection, because one bad start all of a

1160
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 4: sudden can just skew that era. When we're talking about

1161
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 4: just the first half of the season.

1162
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: I'll admit it I was higher on Brax and that

1163
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: I was on Trevor as recently as twenty nineteen. I

1164
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: think pretty late into the twenty nineteen season I would

1165
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: have leaned towards Braxton having the better career, and Trevor

1166
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: just continues getting better and better and better and better.

1167
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: Are you ready for my curveball? My curveball? All Star

1168
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: Marlins candidate for twenty twenty two it is catcher Wilson Contreras.

1169
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: I am that confident.

1170
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 3: I was thinking about that.

1171
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: I think the Marlins are going to get him. Long

1172
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: story short, I think the Marlins are going to get him.

1173
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: The Cubs have not made their trades yet. All reports

1174
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: are though that they are getting ready to enter into

1175
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: sell mode Contrerasts. Just to be clear with everybody not

1176
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: appending free agent, he has one more year of team

1177
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 1: control beyond this year for the twenty twenty two season,

1178
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: whether it's at this deadline or after the season, I

1179
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: think the Marlins are going to trade for Wilson Contreras.

1180
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: Reportedly from Craig Mish, there were some sort of negotiations

1181
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:58,479
Speaker 1: between them in January or early February that didn't really

1182
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: get all that close. Now it's it's clear based on

1183
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: this based on what the Cubs did last offseason, so

1184
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: the trades they actually did make that they're getting ready

1185
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 1: for their own rebuild again. And Contrasts is going to

1186
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: be one of those guys that is great catcher right now,

1187
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: but you don't know how good he's gonna be five

1188
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: years from now. It doesn't make sense to have him

1189
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: on a totally rebuilding team. I think the Marlins are

1190
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: gonna get Wilson contrasts, and as long as he's on

1191
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: your team, he's got a pretty good shot at being

1192
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: an All Star. There are a few great catchers in

1193
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: the National League better, and most of them are actually

1194
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: older than even Controrosts. So I don't know how exactly

1195
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna hold up next year. That that's my bold

1196
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: pick is that they're going to get him some way, somehow.

1197
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: There'll be other teams interested, but it's about time that

1198
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: the Marlins, you know, exactly where they stands competitively. If

1199
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: they really fancy themselves as contenders next year, they absolutely

1200
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: need to upgrade at the catcher position, something they did

1201
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: not do entering this year. And they just have so

1202
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: much money to spend they don't They're not going to

1203
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: know what to do with all this financial flexibility that

1204
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: they have moving into next year. Hopefully some of it

1205
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: goes to Wilson.

1206
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's a guy that you you know, definitely

1207
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 4: have to spend a little bit of money, but it's

1208
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:11,959
Speaker 4: not like it's going to break the bank.

1209
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 3: So it's it's a good opportunity for them to add him.

1210
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 4: I obviously they want to see if they can extend him,

1211
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 4: and that's a component.

1212
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 3: Of it too. But you mentioned that it's about time.

1213
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 4: I think that's the perfect move for the Marlins to

1214
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 4: make because you have all this prospect wealth. They just

1215
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 4: had one of the best draft number three on my

1216
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 4: big board, Glue Wattson, fall to them at sixteen, So

1217
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 4: you're looking at another just elite type of prospect that

1218
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 4: is going to be a borderline top one hundred guy.

1219
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 4: He might slot into my top one hundred because of

1220
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 4: where he was on my big board. That to me,

1221
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 4: it just has to make you even more willing to

1222
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 4: trade away from just your wealth of talent in the

1223
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 4: minor leagues, especially pitching wise. And speaking of that, I'm

1224
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 4: going to go with Edward Cabrera as my All Star

1225
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 4: for next year because.

1226
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: That's a fun one great.

1227
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 4: I've made it a case to sit down and watch

1228
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 4: Edward Cabrera pitch. Since he came back from injury. I

1229
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 4: have just been so amazed with this kid. As long

1230
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 4: as he can stay healthy, which is you feel like

1231
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 4: it's a qualifying statement for almost every picture. But it

1232
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 4: seems like he's come back and doesn't seem too bothered

1233
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 4: by the injury, and they manage it well with him.

1234
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 4: His fastball is explosive, as you know, the change up

1235
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 4: is really damn good, and he's got a good third

1236
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 4: offering as well as Solider's n asked I look at

1237
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 4: a guy like him. He's commanding it really well, which

1238
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 4: has been the most impressive thing.

1239
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 3: His command from where it.

1240
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 4: Was in twenty eighteen to where it is now is unbelievable,

1241
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 4: and it's just because he's been able to clean up

1242
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 4: the mechanics, the fact that he's throwing strikes to the

1243
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 4: degree that he is now. I could see this guy

1244
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 4: getting if the Mullins wanted to do it, getting called

1245
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 4: up at some point in the second half of the

1246
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 4: season to for a little cameo make some starts. But

1247
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 4: at this point I don't really think he needs top

1248
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 4: proved anything in the minor leagues anymore. I feel like

1249
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 4: I've seen enough. It's more about workload and building him up,

1250
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 4: and I think he can start the year in the

1251
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 4: big leagues next year, and I don't think he's gonna

1252
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 4: miss too.

1253
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 3: Much of a beat there.

1254
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 4: Similar type of two pitch dominance with the fastball and

1255
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 4: the change up, and he locates while in Marlins Park

1256
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,479
Speaker 4: with the ground balls he's able to get at times too.

1257
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 4: I think he could be a really, really, really good

1258
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 4: pitcher and this rotation is just gonna be scared.

1259
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: To me he is at this moment. We had a

1260
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: fun conversation about this on our site starting yesterday about

1261
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: who is the number one Marlins prospect at this very moment,

1262
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 1: and for me, he's the guy with the uncertainty about

1263
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: six ohos health and with to this point still some

1264
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: inexperience from Max Meyer, from Jake Eater of course, obviously

1265
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: still finding one of We're still learning so much about Khalil,

1266
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: even though he does have an insane potential on his

1267
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: own that for me, Edward Kerburr is that one guy

1268
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: at the very top and not one of my top

1269
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: five here though two more names to get to. I

1270
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: am going with Jesus Sanchez as being a guy that

1271
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: could be an All Star next year and what would

1272
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: be first full major league season. I'm not super confident

1273
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: in him long term on recent pot episode as kind

1274
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: of nitpicking his defense and something that kind of I

1275
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: think could hold him back from being a great all

1276
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: round player. I just think he is someone that has

1277
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: that potential to go on these crazy hitting explosions that

1278
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: carry on for a few weeks or a month or more.

1279
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: That he's a guy that I could see next year.

1280
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: It seems like all indications are he's going to enter

1281
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two as an everyday player for this team,

1282
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: whether it's in left field or in right field, and

1283
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: I just I love the potential of his bat to

1284
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: go on these crazy streaks. Again, the questions about the consistency.

1285
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: I can nitpick him in other ways, but he's someone

1286
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: that I'm already comfortable anticipating that he'll be playing every

1287
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: single day, and when he is locked in, the stats

1288
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: are going to be pretty fantastic, at least for certain

1289
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: stretches of the season. All these guys wants to get

1290
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: past the top few are really long shots and could

1291
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: go in unpredictable directions. But I like, I'll just throw

1292
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: it out there too, so that I look really good

1293
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: in hindsight if he actually does do it, and if

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01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't. If he doesn't, if he struggles next year,

1295
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: then we could forget this ever happens.

1296
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 3: But I'll just throw it back out there to beauty

1297
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 3: this right. That's good.

1298
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 4: I like that pick a lot, though, because Budgie said,

1299
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 4: he's quietly hitting one oh six WRC plus.

1300
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 3: I mean, he's not lighting the world on fire.

1301
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 4: But given that he just got called up and that

1302
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 4: there's some approach issues that he's been ironing out, but

1303
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 4: I've actually been really encouraged with a lot of his abs.

1304
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 4: I thought that he's looked pretty good at times in

1305
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 4: terms of laying off the pitches that he used to

1306
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 4: go after a little bit more and leveraging his hitters

1307
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 4: counts a little bit more.

1308
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 3: I'd like to see him hit the ball in the air.

1309
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 4: I mean, we're still seeing him hit the ball on

1310
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 4: the ground fifty six percent of the time. And it's

1311
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 4: been pretty clear that the approach against him, the report

1312
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 4: on him is hard stuff in and we see him

1313
01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 4: get crowded in on the hands a little bit, and

1314
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 4: that's going to be part of the issue at times.

1315
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 3: But I think he seems like.

1316
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 4: I don't know about you, but when I watch him,

1317
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 4: I feel like he's finally starting to.

1318
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 3: Learn something game the game.

1319
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 4: You're seeing him start to almost take those mental notes

1320
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 4: and the approach. Sometimes he gets outside of it, but

1321
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 4: for the most part, I would say where we saw

1322
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 4: him last year and where we see him this year,

1323
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 4: and even from when he first got called up to

1324
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 4: now a.

1325
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 3: Few weeks later, it seems like he's starting.

1326
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 4: To understand how he's going to be attacked and is

1327
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 4: starting to trust hisself, trust himself, trust.

1328
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 3: His hands in the bat speed that he has. I

1329
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 3: think that's a great pick too. I think one that

1330
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 3: probably both of us are going to have here, especially you.

1331
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 3: But I gotta go Anthony Bender.

1332
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 4: The way that relievers get in nowadays, right, you just

1333
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 4: need a dominant path. And if Anthony Bender was doing

1334
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 4: this a little bit earlier, right, if he was getting

1335
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 4: more of the back end opportunity, even let's say he's

1336
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 4: named the closer and puts up the exact numbers he's

1337
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 4: put up for maybe a little bit larger of a

1338
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 4: stample size, how is he not in?

1339
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 3: Right?

1340
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 4: How many relievers have been much better than Bender? The

1341
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 4: problem is, I would say, when it comes to marketability,

1342
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 4: it matters the most with relievers, right, Like you have

1343
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 4: to be that big name closer that's closing out games for,

1344
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 4: or at least a closer that's closing out games for

1345
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 4: a big name team that everybody's watching. Right, Nobody cares

1346
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 4: who's winning the games in the nine for the marvel Ones. Unfortunately,

1347
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 4: right now, that's just what it is. But I think

1348
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 4: Bender could have the type of year, or the type

1349
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 4: of first half where his numbers are so undeniable that

1350
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 4: you have to put him in, and he was pretty

1351
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 4: close to that this year if he got an earlier start.

1352
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 4: And for me, Anthony Bender seems like the guy that

1353
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 4: could just force his way yet, whether you know him

1354
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 4: or not, he's just going to force.

1355
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 3: His way in as a bullpen reserve.

1356
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 4: And to me, he's just too good with with the

1357
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 4: swing and miss and the strikeouts he racks up, and

1358
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 4: the stuff too, the pitching ninja asque stuff.

1359
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 3: I think you can kind of help him get a

1360
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 3: little bit of helium there too. Is just just a

1361
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 3: guy that you look at his pitches and you're like,

1362
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 3: how's that possible?

1363
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: For me, as much as I love him, he was

1364
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: a tier below for me in terms of the most

1365
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: likely Marlins All Stars. Next year, I think he'll be great.

1366
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,919
Speaker 1: I hope, unlike Nick Anderson, I hope they do hold

1367
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: on to him for at least, you know, one more

1368
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: year for us to enjoy this, because as easy as

1369
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: it is sometimes to create great relievers out of nowhere,

1370
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: as they basically did with Bender. You want to have

1371
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: some sort of continuity from guys who can trust and

1372
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: from guys whose stuff is His stuff in particular, is

1373
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: almost unrifled by other guys in the league, so I

1374
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: could see it happening. But the one who I put

1375
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: ahead of him kind of rounds out my top five

1376
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: behind Jazz, Trevor Wilson, controllers, Heyeshu Sanchez. I went with

1377
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: another former All Star. I went with Sandy or Sandy

1378
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, he was an All Star. I think

1379
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: he was an automatic All Star, kind of in the

1380
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: most traditional sense that he was so far removed from

1381
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: the kind of picture he is now. He was an

1382
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: All Star then. He's not an All Star now, but

1383
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: he's probably twice the picture right now that he was

1384
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: back then. He is someone who every step of the

1385
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: way he surprises me by how we can and used

1386
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: to get better every step of his career, and he

1387
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: keeps making adjustments. He's throwing harder than ever right now

1388
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: than he was at any other point of his career,

1389
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: which is highly unusual. And to this point, having we

1390
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: talked so much about Pablo in the first half of

1391
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: the season that he had, and Sandy was basically right

1392
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: along with him in terms of all the ratios, all

1393
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: the run prevention, and he did it while actually pitching

1394
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: more innings. For a while there, he was leading the

1395
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: entire Major leagues in ennings pitched. As much as durability

1396
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: as a question with almost any pitcher, he's the guy

1397
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: that you almost overlook those concerns by his track record

1398
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: and by his mechanics and by his now track record

1399
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: in the Major through now parts of five seasons he's had,

1400
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: but he's been thankfully pretty injury free when it comes

1401
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: to actual arm issues to this point in the season.

1402
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: The one question with him that I noticed I kind

1403
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: of picked it apart on one of my recent pot

1404
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: episodes is that since they got rid of the sticky

1405
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: stuff last month, the spin rate on his four seemer

1406
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: went down. In some cases, he's barely used that pitch

1407
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: at all. In other cases, when he has used it, it

1408
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: just hasn't been as effective. It's just like the latest

1409
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: adjustment that he's going to have to make where the

1410
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: spin on his four scene isn't what it used to be.

1411
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: He doesn't feel he can get swings and misses with

1412
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: that pitch as much as he used to. I mean,

1413
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: thankfully he has like four other weapons that can get

1414
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: the job done with his breaking balls, with his change up,

1415
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: with his sinker, and I'll be very interested to see

1416
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: how that plays out the rest of the way. I

1417
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,959
Speaker 1: just don't want to bet against him again. He wasn't

1418
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: really all that far removed from the All Star conversation

1419
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: this year. Once he gets more time to adjust to

1420
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: this new reality, I'm just going to put my faith

1421
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: in him getting back to the All Star Game.

1422
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 4: I think he's I agree, and I'm going to make

1423
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 4: that my option as well, but I want to give

1424
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 4: one more bonus so we don't have the same ones.

1425
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 4: But what I like is what you mentioned is just like,

1426
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 4: of course he's never going to be Jacob de Gram,

1427
01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 4: but when you talk about the fact that he is,

1428
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 4: are the only guy, the only starter that's even in

1429
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 4: that realm of throwing that hard.

1430
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 3: Consistently, that's the only guy that's above him.

1431
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 4: If he can continue to find a way to command,

1432
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 4: and I think we've seen it get better every single year,

1433
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 4: like you mentioned, if he continues to get better with

1434
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 4: the command, and I mean even a guy like Dagrom.

1435
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 4: He wasn't always commanding it like this. Of course he

1436
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 4: was dominant pretty early, but he wasn't commanding it like

1437
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 4: he is now. If Sandy could still have just even

1438
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 4: a little bit of that progression each year where he's

1439
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 4: commanding that ninety nine with sink, that is something that

1440
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 4: I think is going to be too hard to hit

1441
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 4: and gives him again a really good baseline even when

1442
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 4: it STEP's not on that he can locate that ninety

1443
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 4: nine with sink, get the ground balls and roll seven

1444
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 4: innings like That's what we see him do a lot

1445
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 4: when even when he's not getting the swings and missus

1446
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 4: his roll into those seven innings. I think he needs

1447
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 4: to discover a little bit more tap into that go

1448
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 4: to out pitch. The slider doesn't always play, and if

1449
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 4: he can get that going, which I have full faith

1450
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 4: in him, we almost forget how young he is.

1451
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 3: Right like he is, he's still really young.

1452
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 4: When five years old, he's still got a lot of

1453
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 4: youth on his side. He's got plenty of time to

1454
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 4: figure it out. I mean to Grom didn't start into

1455
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 4: the big leagues until like right about now.

1456
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 3: Right so, in terms of Sandy's age right, twenty six

1457
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 3: years old? Was it? So when you look at that,

1458
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 3: I think we forget that he is still so young.

1459
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 4: So I think he's a guy that I wouldn't even

1460
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 4: say it's crazy at some point in his career to

1461
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 4: want to say on I mean, that's lofty, but I'll

1462
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 4: start not a stretch, I would. I would like to

1463
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 4: say that Starling Marte, I believe, And the reason why

1464
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 4: I want to put him in here is because I

1465
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 4: believe the Owins are going to extend him.

1466
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: And right they do hashtagy Marte.

1467
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 3: Pye Marte. We've been all over that, right.

1468
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 4: I think they're going to extend him, and I think

1469
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 4: he's just going to kind of ride off into the

1470
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 4: sunset in Miami. I think he's gonna have a really

1471
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 4: good I'm hoping it's three years.

1472
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 3: We'll see.

1473
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 4: Maybe they'll give him a one year deal after that.

1474
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 4: That's very possible too. But I just think he's gonna

1475
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 4: be comfortable to have that security. He likes it here.

1476
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 4: He's been hitting well as long as he is on

1477
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 4: the field consistently. I think for him, you kind of

1478
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 4: know what he's gonna put up mid eight hundred zerops,

1479
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 4: some highlight, real defensive plays, steal some bags. It's gonna

1480
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,719
Speaker 4: be more about what the other center fielders are doing.

1481
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,719
Speaker 4: But if it's a year where there's not that much

1482
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 4: production in center field, where we're seeing like kind of

1483
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 4: like this year, where a lot of guys are struggling,

1484
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 4: I think you can sneak in as a reserve. And

1485
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 4: I'm just I wanted to put him in there just

1486
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 4: because I think the Marlins pay Marte, and I'm gonna

1487
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 4: be happy if that happens, because they really need to

1488
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 4: have a center fielder for the next few years, because

1489
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 4: they don't really know what.

1490
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 3: They're gonna do in that regard.

1491
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 4: If they don't pay Marte, they're not to pay somebody else,

1492
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 4: So you might as well just pay the guy who

1493
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 4: wants to be here.

1494
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: It makes all the sense in the world. I've been

1495
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: I've been doubtful that's gonna get done. If it didn't

1496
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: get done already, I'm not so sure. But that's gonna

1497
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 1: be the biggest storyline on the Marlins these next couple

1498
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: of weeks, as you know, is how those negotiations go

1499
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: and how it influences what they do at the deadline.

1500
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 1: I wish man that would be fantastic to have him

1501
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: around for all the reasons that you said, and for

1502
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: brief moments. Yeah, the kind of hot streaks that he

1503
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: had earlier this year. And he's great. He's a great

1504
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: foundational piece despite his age, at least for the next

1505
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: few years. He's exactly the kind of guy you want

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01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: to lock in. And we heard reportedly about his asking price.

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Speaker 1: It seemed totally reasonable for me, but we'll see whether

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Speaker 1: the Marlins feel the same about that. This has been

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Speaker 1: fantastic with arm Leyden. You can find him on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at arm Leyden eight. You can find go to Just Baseball.

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Speaker 1: Please go to Just Baseball. It's gonna be your favorite

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Speaker 1: new place for all levels of baseball coverage, all angles

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Speaker 1: of baseball coverage, and he is he got it all

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Speaker 1: started for you guys, so thank him later. Enjoy their

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Speaker 1: content now Locked on Marlins, locked on MLB Prospects, Listen

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Speaker 1: to those pods and that show with Jeff con nine

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Speaker 1: Outside the Box with Jeff co nine coming very soon

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Speaker 1: to all your favorite pod platforms. It's already up on

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Speaker 1: their website and on Spotify. Enjoyed the All Star Game,

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01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 1: arm Thanks for staff and Bay. It should be a

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01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: great night in Colorado, and then it should be an

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Speaker 1: even better second half of the season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope.

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Speaker 4: So on the Marlins side, thank you for all the

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Speaker 4: kind of words, and thank you for letting me on

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Speaker 4: the show. I'm always having a blast on here, so

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Speaker 4: I know we'll probably hopefully get a few more in

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Speaker 4: before the end of the season, and I will have

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Speaker 4: some Marlin specific pieces I promise on just Baseball dot

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Speaker 4: com because I do have to write about the whole league,

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01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 4: but admittedly I'm still a Marlins guy at heart, and

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01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 4: I'll have some deadline pieces coming up, so excited about that.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for the plug, and you'll probably be

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Speaker 3: hearing from me via text.

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Speaker 4: I might need some of your thoughts on the deadline

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Speaker 4: because we're gonna We're gonna get I.

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Speaker 3: Think is gonna get created, so we'll have some fun.

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Speaker 3: But thanks again. It's always a blast to talk to

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Speaker 3: Eli and look forward to doing it again.

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Speaker 4: Some can be copy