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Speaker 1: part of your day. You know, it's It's an interesting

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Speaker 1: thing that I've noticed this over the course of my life.

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Speaker 1: Is that and I watch a lot of clips. John

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Speaker 1: Business clips Jeff Bezos constantly gives fascinating advice. I often

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Speaker 1: noticed over the course of my life it can be

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Speaker 1: Larry Ellison, the guys running Netflix. You're much better off

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Speaker 1: just admitting your wrong and moving on. In fact, when

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Speaker 1: I started my company, I reached out to Mark Cuban.

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Speaker 1: you just give me one piece of advice? And Cuban

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Speaker 1: and the other gentleman gave me the same piece of

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Speaker 1: advice separately, which was, don't fall in love with your idea.

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Speaker 1: If you're right on something, double down. If you're wrong,

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Speaker 1: own it and move off it. Stop trying to convince

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Speaker 1: yourself my ideas are perfect. Jeff Bezo says this all

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Speaker 1: the time. You should make changes every day to your company.

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Speaker 1: Don't stop worrying about being right. Get it right. And

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Speaker 1: I am clearly wrong on Shador Sanders the Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 1: Today Kevin Stefanski Shardu fell to the fifth round and

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Speaker 1: Shadur was named as the number three quarterback. And I'm

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Speaker 1: wrong on him. I thought he was I looked at

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Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel and I thought Shadeur was bigger. I think

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Speaker 1: that matters. I thought he moved better. I think that

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Speaker 1: which in the NFL you're always flushed out of the pocket.

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Speaker 1: And so I thought he was a better NFL and

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Speaker 1: He was very, very productive. Was Dylan was Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 1: with great teammates. Shador was productive with a terrible old

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Speaker 1: I looked at the two and I'm like Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 1: feel I said it before the draft. I felt Dylan

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Every NFL GM disagreed with me and Kevin Strafanski,

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Speaker 1: who won eleven games in twenty twenty three with musical

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Speaker 1: chairs at quarterbacks. And by the way, Shaudure and Dylan

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Speaker 1: And Oregon stacked with NFL talent. So my take, now, obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's be honest about it, Dylan Gabriel is

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Speaker 1: gonna win more games. But they always say winnings not

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Speaker 1: a quarterback stat, but in terms of completion percentage, TD

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Speaker 1: interception passing yards a game, Shaudur was better than Dylan

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Speaker 1: Signed Carson Wentz to a huge contract. Wasn't long after

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Speaker 1: it they moved on Sean McVay love Jared Goff than

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Speaker 1: he didn't Guys more than women struggle, admitting, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: missed on that. I don't every Monday, Colin right, Colin wrong.

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Speaker 1: Microsoft's a great company. They missed on the iPhone. They

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Speaker 1: missed on the phone, completely missed Steve Ballmer's brilliant, richest

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Speaker 1: NBA owner, missed on the phone. Nobody's perfect. Accept anonymous

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Speaker 1: trolls on the Internet. It's amazing how that works. They're brilliant,

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Speaker 1: they're never wrong. So listen, the NFL is telling you

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Speaker 1: One one person loved him, other mixed. Chador was very

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Speaker 5: It starts with OTAs. They want all this executed, and

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Speaker 1: I mean Shadur's. Shador won nine games last year, completed

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Speaker 1: The NFL has spoken. I'm sure this is being received

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Speaker 1: with nuance and contextualization in Ohio, they are probably going crazy.

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Speaker 1: would want the Tim Tebow thing to work. John always like, Nah,

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Speaker 1: the league is spoken. Stefanski's spoken. I over valued Shader Sanders.

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Speaker 3: The league is spoken. It's been three weeks in the

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Speaker 3: Sam Arnold, you never know. Here's the thing.

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Speaker 6: Unlike most industries where people are very unemotional, because you're

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Speaker 6: things that are not human beings, people will pivot fast

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Speaker 6: in football and in pro sports in general. When you're

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Speaker 6: my guy, and Dylan Gabriel was clearly Stefanski's guy. They

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Speaker 3: It's kind of in that weird zone.

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Speaker 6: Not quite the starting quarterback, but someone I like more

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Speaker 6: both healthy. There was nothing Shador Sanders was going to

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Speaker 6: I understand that, you know, the x Twitter social media

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Speaker 6: thinks that Shador Sanders is Tom Brady because of a

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Speaker 6: end of the day, Dylan Gabriel was always going to

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Speaker 1: In and again it's what coaches like, you know, coaches

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Speaker 1: like consistency of personality, of performance, of accuracy. And I

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Speaker 1: could see Stefanski as a really smart guy saying Dylan

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Speaker 1: is runs the play, He's consistently accurate, He stays in

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Speaker 1: more often. Coaches love consistency. Coaches will coaches like high floor,

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Speaker 1: It's like, and you look at that room right now,

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Speaker 1: him just saying Flacco and Dylan Gabriel. Maybe there's moments

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Speaker 6: Can we also acknowledge that Shadure Sanders the way he plays,

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Speaker 6: you get with Laflora Stefanski. You know, it's very very Hey,

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Speaker 6: It's like, guys, that's not really what Stefanski is looking for,

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Speaker 6: you know, in the way he's judging his So when

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Speaker 6: I watched Dylan Gabriel, Everyone's like, oh, he threw a

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Speaker 6: I'm like, I think he's doing a lot of the

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember talking to Chip Kelly about Geno Smith

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Speaker 1: likes Geno Smith because his offense and what he wants

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Speaker 1: you to do. Gino can move just enough. For Chip Kelly,

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Speaker 6: I do think these guys, and I don't think they're

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Speaker 3: They just got extensions. But you know, Cleveland's a weird place.

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Speaker 6: The owner has been, you know, quick to change his

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Speaker 6: mind this story. If these quarterbacks are awful, you know,

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Speaker 6: Flacco gets injured, Kenny Pickett comes in, doesn't look good,

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Speaker 6: Dylan Gabriel looks over match. It's gonna get louder and louder,

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Speaker 1: All Right, the big breaking news, Shador Sanders is third string.

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Speaker 1: I was a guy over at Dylan Gabriel. Guy, I

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Speaker 10: I hope that happens, Colin.

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Speaker 9: was the Florida State. They go from an undefeated team

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Speaker 9: to a bunch of transfers and it didn't work out.

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Speaker 9: But then you saw, you know, Michigan State had the

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Speaker 9: lightning in the bottom of the one year and in

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Speaker 9: Colorado brought in a bunch of and turned around a

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Speaker 9: really poor program. So I think forty is a lot.

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Speaker 9: To answer your question, how do you develop chemistry and

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Speaker 9: culture on the team when you're getting them in June

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Speaker 9: and July. I'm going to answer honestly, I have no idea.

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Speaker 9: I don't know how you do that. Obviously, Coach Belichick's

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Speaker 9: a smart guy and he's got a great staff around him.

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Speaker 10: He's going to figure it out.

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Speaker 9: But to answer, you asked me a point blank question

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Speaker 9: on my answers, I don't have any idea.

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Speaker 1: So, Jeremiah Smith maybe the most talented freshman I've ever

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Speaker 1: seen in college football. I go back years in years.

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Speaker 1: This is an old school name. I remember a guy.

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Speaker 1: Pitt had a guy named Hugh Green years and years ago.

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Speaker 1: I can remember watching him as an underclassman in college

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Speaker 1: and thinking, man, he looks like a man. He's like

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Speaker 1: twenty years old, Hugh Green. Look it up? Is there?

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Speaker 1: If I said I thought Jeremiah Smith looked like a pro?

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Speaker 1: Was there in all your years at Florida, all your

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Speaker 1: years at Ohio State, Utah Bowling, Green, go through all

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Speaker 1: of it, Take out Jeremiah Smith. Was there ever a

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Speaker 1: freshman that walked on to any of your program? Here

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Speaker 1: he comes on a campus and you thought he probably

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Speaker 1: could play in the NFL, Because I think Jeremiah Smith

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Speaker 1: could play in the NFL today. Did you ever have

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Speaker 1: one of those players?

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Speaker 10: I did. I had one, Percy Harvin.

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Speaker 9: We walked on campus, and I've never ever seen anything

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Speaker 9: like what could do with his skill set. To this day,

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Speaker 9: I still believe he's one of the greatest ever plays.

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Speaker 9: So let me say this about Jeremy Jeremiah too, and

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna do this on Big No Big Noon. He

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Speaker 9: pretty he had a great scenario last year, so an

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Speaker 9: elite wide receiver's best friends or number one a running

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Speaker 9: quarterback Will Howard. They had that. Number two a strong

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Speaker 9: run game. They had that with two terrific running backs,

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Speaker 9: and number three a strong number two that was a mecca.

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Speaker 9: All three of those guys are gone, you know. The

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Speaker 9: running quarterback's gone, the strong run game's gone, and the

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Speaker 9: mecca's gone. So we're going to see how he does.

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Speaker 9: Because last year Texas, not one snap was played. I

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Speaker 9: just finished the film yesterday.

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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 9: I called it the stop Jeremiah defense. Not one time,

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Speaker 9: Colin did they leave Jeremiah by himself. As a result,

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Speaker 9: he had a couple of catches for like say six yards.

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Speaker 9: So it was a perfect scenario for this talented guy

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Speaker 9: last year. This year it's completely different and he's still

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Speaker 9: as talent as he got. But teams will not leave

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Speaker 9: him singled up unless they can't. And if you don't

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Speaker 9: have a run game, you can put two guys on him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Urban Meyer as always great stuff.

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Speaker 10: Coach.

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Speaker 1: Getting ready for the season. Gonna be on a plane

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Speaker 1: here in a few days.

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Speaker 10: Can't wait.

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Speaker 1: So good to see your brother, all right, Urban Meyer, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the yeah. He makes a good point that in Mecca Buka,

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Speaker 1: the kid that goes to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, that

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Speaker 1: kid is something else. I mean, that kid's running the

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Speaker 1: full route tree when he's like eighteen years old. He

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Speaker 1: is really good. John Middlelkoff of the News.

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Speaker 10: No, no turn on the news.

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Speaker 3: This is the herd Line news. Well, Colin.

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Speaker 6: Yesterday the Ravens, they had a little injury scare at

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Speaker 6: practice after it was reported Lamar Jackson left with a

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Speaker 6: hand injury, but it was later determined that he inadvertently

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Speaker 6: stepped on and left for precautionary reasons. Today, Lamar is

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Speaker 6: sitting out of practice ahead of the preseason finale, and

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Speaker 6: we'll have five days arrest before the Monday night practice

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Speaker 6: or the Monday's practice ahead of a week one?

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Speaker 3: Is this something? Is this nothing? Where you at with

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson? Colin?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think when you when you move like Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: I think you get banged up, you know, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Lamar Jackson will ever play a football

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Speaker 1: season for the rest of his life. By week four,

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Speaker 1: if he's totally healthy, he just you know, he moves,

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Speaker 1: he's fast, he bangs around in there. He's still not

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Speaker 1: one of the great sliders like a Kyler Murray, you know,

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Speaker 1: the baseball guy. So I don't it's it's I think

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in this league. I think week four or five,

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Speaker 1: you got aches and pains, something's banged up.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean sometimes people step on your foot. I

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Speaker 6: think the thing with Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen Mahomes, the

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Speaker 6: margin freer for those top teams to get the number

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Speaker 6: one seed. If any of them were to miss a

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Speaker 6: game or two and you lose because of it. That

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Speaker 6: could be the difference between a home game and an

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Speaker 6: away game.

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Speaker 10: And we've seen.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Chiefs are kind of numb to it.

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Speaker 6: They can win anywhere, but the bill's huge difference playing

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Speaker 6: on the road or at home. Same thing with the Ravens.

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Speaker 6: I know they lost a couple of years ago, but

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Speaker 6: you know playing at home is a big deal. So

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Speaker 6: you know, to have these guys play seventeen games, I mean,

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Speaker 6: ideally get to sit the last game if you have

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Speaker 6: it all, you know, kind of tied up at the end.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Earlier this week, Daniel Jones was named the starter over

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Speaker 6: Anthony Richson after his poor preseason and training camp performances. Well,

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Speaker 6: we don't know when we can expect to see richardson

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Speaker 6: or center again. The quarterback coach, Cam Turner had a

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Speaker 6: very telling quote when he was asked about his quarterback.

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Speaker 2: When you guys drafted Anthony, obviously the plan is number

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Speaker 2: to get to.

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Speaker 3: This point, Benjamin second time. So looking back to you guys,

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Speaker 3: feel like what you fail Anthony?

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Speaker 10: Did he fail you?

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Speaker 9: Who?

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Speaker 3: Did you fail each other?

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Speaker 6: I feel like I tried everything I can do, you know,

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Speaker 6: And I feel like he's given a great effort in

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Speaker 6: that aspect too.

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Speaker 10: And I don't.

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Speaker 3: Think either way it's one of the other.

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Speaker 6: I just think, you know, right now is not where

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Speaker 6: the consistency is, just not where we wanted it to be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's I think that's pretty obvious.

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Speaker 3: You know he comes.

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Speaker 6: You watch that Cowboy documentary, are pretty sure that's Norv's son.

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Speaker 6: I mean, these guys, Shane Stiken, the Turner family, I mean,

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Speaker 6: these guys no offense.

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Speaker 3: Colin.

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Speaker 6: This isn't you know me or you coaching the guy?

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Speaker 6: So that quote let's just face it. They don't think.

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Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson's very good.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's just no way to sugarcoat. They just

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Speaker 6: don't think he's very good. And they chose Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 6: who most people don't think is good either, over him.

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Speaker 3: Not a great sign.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I think it's okay like this,

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Speaker 1: it's hard. This is I mean, if you go back

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Speaker 1: in the history of the NFL, maybe it's higher now,

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Speaker 1: but you get about one great quarterback of class now.

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Speaker 1: I think it made the average maybe one and a

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Speaker 1: half to two now because quarterbacks are getting more snaps

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Speaker 1: in high school and more private coaching. But if a

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Speaker 1: quarterback draft class gives you two guys who signed like

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Speaker 1: a second contract with the same team that drafted him,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty good. So this is just I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: hard to find drafts where one of the first round

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks didn't miss. There's a few, but not many.

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, Josh Allen happened, and a lot

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Speaker 6: of people tried to you know, force remember Draymond Green's like,

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Speaker 6: who's the next Draymond Green?

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Speaker 3: There hasn't been one in a decade.

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Speaker 6: They're not going to be another Josh Allen and they

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Speaker 6: tried and it blew up in their face. Okay, onto

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Speaker 6: baseball call where the Dodgers have gone from a commanding

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Speaker 6: division lead to a real race in the NL West.

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Speaker 6: Last night show, Hey Otani was on the mound and

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Speaker 6: had a rough outing, giving up five runs and took

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Speaker 6: a comebacker off the off the thigh, later forcing him

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Speaker 6: out of the game. Dave Roberts discussed Otani's injury and

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Speaker 6: the Dodgers poor play of late.

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Speaker 4: I was just really relieved that it was a thigh

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Speaker 4: because it hit him flush. And so again, if you're

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Speaker 4: if you're talking about the kneecap, you know that that's

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Speaker 4: that's a different conversation. So certainly, where I saw the

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Speaker 4: ballmark on his thigh, very very relieved relative to the situation.

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Speaker 4: The results of the result, the performance is the performance.

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Speaker 4: So it certainly speaks to it. You know, I'd like

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Speaker 4: to think it's not a letdown, but certainly when you

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Speaker 4: hear it at cores and kind of putting together some

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Speaker 4: of these at bats, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 10: I don't really answer.

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Speaker 1: It has been a choppy season for the best roster

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Speaker 1: in baseball the Dodgers have. You're smiling there. I think you,

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Speaker 1: as a Bay Area guy, you probably love this, but

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Speaker 1: it's been choppy.

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Speaker 3: I also, they're under five hundred since the Al Star.

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Speaker 6: Right, do you remember, you know, the first year the

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Speaker 6: Warriors got Kevin Durant and they won sixty seven games.

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Speaker 6: They cruised the next couple of years. They just didn't

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Speaker 6: really care about the regular season. Baseball is a little

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Speaker 6: different that way. Obviously, Otani didn't pitch last year. I

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Speaker 6: also think the playoffs come. I mean, are are you

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Speaker 6: gonna bet against the Dodgers?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 6: Baseball a little different than football and basketball.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 6: You can have the best roster and you're starting pitchings off.

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Speaker 6: If your bullpen's bad, which the Dodgers bullpen hasn't been great,

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Speaker 6: all of a sudden, you can find yourself down two

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Speaker 6: to two games and none against the Padres in the

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Speaker 6: first round. Yeah, you know, I stareing elimination in the face.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just I feel like Snell and some of their pitchers, like,

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Speaker 1: I feel like if they could get pitching health, they'd

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Speaker 1: be fine. But it's just like this has been like

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Speaker 1: four years in a row. It feels like maybe three.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's like the San Francisco forty nine ers

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Speaker 1: wide receiver injuries. I feel the same way about the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers pitching injuries, like I can't explain it. I don't

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Speaker 1: know the answer to it.

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Speaker 3: Well, glassnow has hurt a lot. I mean part of

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Speaker 3: the reason they got them.

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Speaker 6: My question is with Otani, pitching's not going great this year.

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Speaker 6: Just let's wait till next year to have him pitch.

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Speaker 3: Just let him hit.

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Speaker 10: Yep.

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news.

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Speaker 3: And thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: All right, Urban Meyer, Greg co Sell. Shador Sanders is

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Speaker 1: number three on the depth chart. We wrap it up

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Speaker 1: when we.

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Speaker 2: Return one more Heard. The Herd streams twenty four hours

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Speaker 2: a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: Search her to listen live or on demand whenever you like.

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Speaker 1: All Right, story that broke about two hours into our show.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski. Here he is announcing the Browns quarterback situation

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Speaker 1: against the Rams.

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Speaker 11: Joe will start the game, Dylan will play second, Shador

652
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Speaker 11: will play fit. He's feeling better and better, so borrowing

653
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Speaker 11: any step back if he comes in not feeling good tillmorrow,

654
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Speaker 11: which I don't anticipate he would play on Saturday.

655
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Speaker 1: So I went to Mary Kate Cabot. She does a

656
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Speaker 1: good job, and I read her tweet that Kevin Stefanski's

657
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: going with Flacco, then Dylan Gabriel second, and Shador third,

658
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Speaker 1: And then I went to a couple of message boards.

659
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Speaker 1: Doggie Doodoo dot com. Why is Dylan going second? Stefanski

660
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: is a clown, it says sheesh Man. They really sabotaging Sanders.

661
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: That's puppylove dot com, absolutely ridiculous. Give Gabriel the thirties,

662
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: clearly not performing at the level Sanders is this team's

663
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: an absolute joke. Okay, Well listen, John Middelkoff, I thought

664
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Speaker 1: said it eloquently. Sports is different the name of your city.

665
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Speaker 1: You know you got guys in your fantasy team. These

666
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: are not widgets. Uh, these are not like. This is

667
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Speaker 1: not data. Uh this these are these are players that

668
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Speaker 1: we you fall in love with, and that's what's great

669
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Speaker 1: about sports. People are going crazy, But I would say that, uh,

670
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Speaker 1: Stefanski is a pretty smart guy. Shador dropped to the fifth.

671
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Speaker 1: That was a message from the league. Stefanski's got him third.

672
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Speaker 1: That's a message from the Browns. So now. And also,

673
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: let's let's be honest. It's not the end of the road.

674
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Speaker 1: I mean, players improve, I mean it's you know, there's

675
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: a lot of stories. I mean Baker Mayfield and Sam

676
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: Darnold and Geno Smith are three examples of Wow, that

677
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: guy really can play at a really, really high level.

678
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: They all got paid. So you know, people, you know,

679
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: we people get really high on quarterbacks and then a

680
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Speaker 1: couple of years later, I mean people after four or

681
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Speaker 1: five starts. Oh, Kenny Pickett, Yeah, Kenny Pickett is now

682
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Speaker 1: fourth in the depth chart. So you know it ebbs

683
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Speaker 1: and flows on this stuff, you know. Co Cell Greg

684
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Speaker 1: co Cell a couple of weeks ago gave us a

685
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Speaker 1: little peak when he said Shador is not quite as

686
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Speaker 1: accurate as everybody says. I do think that Chadure moves better,

687
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: is bigger, and was really productive in college despite a

688
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: very average offensive roster. I thought he was really productive.

689
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Speaker 1: So that's what I saw with my eyes. But you

690
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: know it's not the you know, I've been wrong before.

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Speaker 1: This is this is Greg co Cell earlier on the

692
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Speaker 1: Browns quarterbacks situation.

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Speaker 5: Offensive coaches they think about how does a player work

694
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Speaker 5: within my scheme and what gabriel is Is. He's essentially

695
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 5: stylistically similar to a too attaga Iloa. Sanders is a

696
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 5: little different player. He's not quite as rhythmic, and he

697
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 5: has a tendency. And this showed up on tape, by

698
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 5: the way, even though the good outweighed the bad when

699
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 5: he played two weeks ago. He tends to drift a

700
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Speaker 5: little in the pocket. He tends to retreat in the pocket.

701
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Speaker 5: You know how many quarterbacks are the Browns going to keep?

702
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 5: No team keeps four quarterbacks, so it's going to be

703
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 5: interesting going down the stretch here. And then Sanders got

704
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Speaker 5: hurt and missed some time in practice, and that's not

705
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Speaker 5: going to help him.

706
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Speaker 1: So my preseason prediction was Flacco wins it, Shador second,

707
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Speaker 1: Dylan third. They trade Kenny Pickett. So I'm a little

708
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Speaker 1: off right there, and we will see. Today actually gave

709
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Speaker 1: us a respite, a break from the Caleb Williams discussion.

710
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: It's just incredible. You know, the Cubs are playing great

711
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: baseball and Caleb Williams has taken over Chicago media. Everywhere

712
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: I go in Chicago. What do you think the Bears

713
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Speaker 1: are going to do? And I tell everybody I think

714
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Speaker 1: the over under is perfect. It's like eight and a

715
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: half wins. If you're optimistic, go with nine. They're not

716
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Speaker 1: going to be a twelve win team. You know, rookie

717
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: coach Caleb trying to kind of stylistically fit with Ben Johnson.

718
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: I think they you know, the best thing that could

719
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: happen to the Bears, honestly, And this is where you

720
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: have to be optimistic. Detroit's not going to be as good.

721
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Speaker 1: They're not going to be Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson

722
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: are elite coordinators. The guys that took over. What are

723
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Speaker 1: the chances they'll be as good or better? It's none.

724
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Speaker 1: And JJ McCarthy. If JJ McCarthy is just average, that's

725
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: good for the Bears. That would help because they went

726
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Speaker 1: one in five in division last year. And it's I

727
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: mean they and these people that are projecting them to

728
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: win double digit wins, they just don't do that much.

729
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: They don't so and a large part of that is

730
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Speaker 1: the team that's a you know, our train ride up

731
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Speaker 1: North Green Bay. So the schedule, I will argue the

732
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Speaker 1: Bears schedule is very workable. You get Minnesota at home,

733
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Speaker 1: if that's on the road, that's a tough opener. I

734
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Speaker 1: think at home you can win that game. Yes you're

735
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Speaker 1: at Detroit, but it's not the same team, and with

736
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Speaker 1: new coordinators, you could argue that Detroit won't find its

737
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Speaker 1: footing until about Thanksgiving with all the new coordinators. And

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Speaker 1: then it's Dallas at home, Raiders by Saints in a

739
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: couple of weeks after that. You know, New York Giants,

740
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh at home. There's some double us here, and you

741
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: know at the end of the year they close out

742
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Speaker 1: with Detroit at home. If Detroit has the Division one,

743
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: they could rest starters. So I think there's two or

744
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: three games that seem like they're not terribly winnable. At Baltimore,

745
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 1: see is really tough to me. At Philadelphia is really

746
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: rough traveling, you know, a big chunk of the way

747
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: cross country at San Francisco when their wide receiving course

748
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: should be healthier. I think those that's a tough spot.

749
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Speaker 1: But I mean, best case scenario is they win that

750
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Speaker 1: home opener with Minnesota and Minnesota and Detroit take a

751
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: significant step back. That would be really good news because

752
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: you got to win those division games. They're not going

753
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: to go six and zero division, They're not going to

754
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: go five and one can they go five hundred because

755
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Speaker 1: I can find four or five wins in this schedule

756
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Speaker 1: not in their division. I think they're going to be Dallas,

757
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: the Raiders, the Saints, the Giants, Pittsburgh. You know they

758
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: got a little bit of a break. Those go either

759
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: way games. Saints at home, Giants at home, Steelers at home. Now,

760
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: those are winnable games. At Filly and at Baltimore, those

761
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Speaker 1: aren't winnable games. So Greg Cosel earlier on Ben and Caleb.

762
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Speaker 5: The main part for Caleb Williams and the key for

763
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 5: Ben Johnson is everything from the huddle until the ball

764
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 5: is snapped. Because they call multiple plays in the huddle,

765
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 5: there's a lot of shifts, there's a lot of motions.

766
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Speaker 5: You've got to be able to do that with the

767
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,959
Speaker 5: necessary speed and efficiency. So you get to the line

768
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 5: of scrimmage and there's time enough on the shot clock

769
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Speaker 5: because you're going to have the shifts, You're going to

770
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 5: have the motions. Now it's up to Caleb to decide

771
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 5: if there's two plays called, which one am I going

772
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 5: to run? That part of quarterbacking is the bigger deal

773
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 5: for Caleb Williams as he's learning the Ben Johnson offense.

774
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think there's one team in this league that I

776
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: think Vegas made a mistake on. It's the Seahawks. They're

777
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: over under I think it's eight and a half. It

778
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: feels way too low. Their schedule is incredibly workable, the

779
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: all lines better coach in the second year. Darnold's an upgrade.

780
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Speaker 1: When I hear people talk about Chicago ten and eleven

781
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: and now you're trying to get to a territory where

782
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: you're overvaluing what they are. This division, the NFC had

783
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Speaker 1: like a two to three year gap, you know, where

784
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: it was really bad. It's not anymore. I mean, Chicago's

785
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 1: tough on its coaches and its quarterbacks. I mean Matt Naggy.

786
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Speaker 1: Think about this. They ran Matt Naggy out of town.

787
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: Matt Naggy made the playoffs with Mitch Trubisky, and at

788
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: that time, Kirk Cousins, Matt Stafford, and Aaron Rodgers were

789
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Speaker 1: all not only in the same division, they were in

790
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Speaker 1: their primes or closer to their primes. And they got

791
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Speaker 1: Mitch Trabisky to the playoffs and they ran him out

792
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Speaker 1: of town. I can remember defending Matt Naggy. He reached

793
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: out to me and said thanks. They were just crushing him.

794
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're getting into the playoffs in a division

795
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Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers twice a year, Stafford twice a year,

796
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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousin twice a year in their prime. You have

797
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Speaker 1: a fourth best quarterback of the division by a long shot,

798
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Speaker 1: and he made the playoffs twice. Well, the defense was good.

799
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: It's a quarterback league. Don't care of good your defense is.

800
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: It's a quarterback league. Joe Burrow couldn't get into the playoffs.

801
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: They had terrible defense. So they're at Chicago is tough

802
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: on their coaches and they're tough on their quarterbacks. So again,

803
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: I said, this week nine to eight feels very optimistic.

804
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: That's going three and three in division. If they go

805
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: three and three in division, they hold Serve at home,

806
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: they beat the Vikings in the opener at home, they

807
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: beat the Packers at home, they beat the Lions at home.

808
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: You know they're gonna be probably underdogs in those games,

809
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: but slight underdogs they win those games. I mean, there's

810
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,959
Speaker 1: an optimistic way to look at this. The Lions rest

811
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: their starters in week eighteen. You know, the optimistic way

812
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: to look at it is. You know, the Giants move

813
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: off Russell Wilson, they're bad. They go with Jackson Dart

814
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: and you get a raw rookie quarterback in Chicago. You know,

815
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: just there's positive ways. Dallas is really bad and it

816
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: takes it takes Minnesota, JJ McCarthy. It's gonna take a

817
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: while to get that right. There's a way to optimistically

818
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: look at it. But the over unders in Vegas they

819
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: make money on fans betting the over. That's fans do

820
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: not bet the under. So I think nine and eight

821
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: is a very positive, very realistic. Look where are you

822
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: on there? I'm going to say nine and eight and

823
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm being positive. Where are you?

824
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Speaker 6: I like nine and eight two this weekend when you're

825
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 6: roaming around Chicago. Let everyone know that them extending the

826
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Speaker 6: backup quarterback is the first contract extension they've given a

827
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Speaker 6: quarterback since Jay Cutler that was the backup.

828
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Speaker 1: It's sending a signal. What that signal is, We're not

829
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Speaker 1: sure