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Speaker 3: My father married is a fair partner.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's not the person you're supposed.

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Speaker 3: To marry, Sugar warning. Emotional abuse. My eighteen female dad's

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Speaker 3: wife has been very difficult for me to deal with,

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Speaker 3: and it has made coming to terms with the past

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Speaker 3: much more painful for me. I really need advice on

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Speaker 3: how to handle the situation and how to set boundaries

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Speaker 3: so I don't have to deal with the same problems

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Speaker 2: So I'm Sophia, I'm Dakota, I'm Riley, and oh p says, Oh,

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Speaker 2: Riley's too high, it's too hot for camera.

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Speaker 3: Uh so, Opie says. My dad and stepmom got married

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Speaker 3: almost five years ago, and I've become overwhelmed and exhausted

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Speaker 3: by the emotional effort required to maintain a relationship with

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Speaker 3: my father. While keeping things peaceful with stepmom. I live

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Speaker 3: with my mom in a different state than my dad.

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Speaker 3: I visit him three to four times a year, wanting

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Speaker 3: nothing more than to spend quality time with my dad

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Speaker 3: and younger brothers. But without fail, every single visit in

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Speaker 3: the past five years, stepmom is thrown a complete fit.

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Speaker 2: Does does the fit go hard though?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the question.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I feel intense anxiety about going to my dad's house.

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Speaker 3: It is made visiting my family incredibly difficult. I want

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Speaker 3: to see them often to maintain good relationships, but seeing

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Speaker 3: her stresses me out beyond explanation. Every visit. I do

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Speaker 3: my absolute best to be respectful and gauge her in conversations,

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Speaker 3: keep my space immaculate, run errands for her, and always

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Speaker 3: express gratitude for anything she does for me. While I

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Speaker 3: show her respect, I may contain boundaries because she and

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Speaker 3: my dad had an affair.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, yike, yikes. I don't understand how a parent can

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Speaker 2: like expect a child to just be cool with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, yeah, she.

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Speaker 2: Done your mom here she is, She's gonna be in

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Speaker 3: It's something I'm still working through, and I think it'll

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Speaker 3: take a lot of time to get past it is

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Speaker 3: made trusting both of them very difficult. I made it

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Speaker 3: her to try and act like we're close or like

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Speaker 3: she's my mom, and that I don't want a tight

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Speaker 3: though I understand why she wouldn't be happy about it.

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Speaker 3: Despite making my boundaries clear, she always finds a way

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Speaker 3: to cross them, leaving me feeling defeated. Every trip follows

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Speaker 3: the same pattern. First, she's aggressively nice, offering me tons

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Speaker 2: Take it. Take the money, Take that money.

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Speaker 3: Money. If she's gonna stomp all of your boundaries anyway,

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Speaker 3: take the money, take the money. I just be like,

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Speaker 3: this doesn't change anything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just don't even say that. Just take it and

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Speaker 3: Nothing, and telling me she's going to do everything for

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Speaker 3: me so I can relax. Over the next few days,

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Speaker 3: and affection. This is when she starts taking jabs at

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Speaker 3: pick a fight, which makes me avoid her. That leads

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Speaker 3: her to tell my dad I'm being disrespectful and won't

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Speaker 3: about how I'm not being nice to her, putting him

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Speaker 3: since I'm apparently the cause of her behavior. Great, yeah,

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Speaker 3: excellent parenting at your.

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Speaker 2: Faud clearly though your fault. All of this is your fault,

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Speaker 3: No surre, Glad we cleared that up. After the blowout,

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Speaker 3: laying low, but soon enough, Stepmom regains energy to stop

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Speaker 3: further damage our relationship. My Thanksgiving trip was the breaking point.

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Speaker 3: All the usual drama had happened, but this time she

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Speaker 3: convinced she said these things not to get the truth,

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Speaker 3: but to get a reaction from me. Finally, I couldn't

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Speaker 3: help but scoff at her absurdity. I know this was

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Speaker 3: my mistake. I'm only human, and I immediately apologized for

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Speaker 3: my rudeness. Despite this, my scoff sent her into a

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Speaker 3: full tantrum. She screamed at me, telling me I needed

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Speaker 2: Her not being so funny?

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Speaker 3: You're just too dang funny. You should get on stage

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Speaker 2: You're just a little uh a diamond in the rough

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Speaker 3: Mmmmm, and that she hated me and wouldn't stop attacking

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Speaker 3: me with name calling and low blows. All I did

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Speaker 3: Stepmom apologized the next day, telling me this was somehow

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Speaker 2: This is actually your dad's falt for marrying me.

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Speaker 3: I know he wasn't there, but I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: if you didn't have an affair, we would never have had.

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Speaker 2: Is action the blood butterfly, first fish that crawled out

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Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly not mine.

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Speaker 2: The first mitochondria. It's the mitochondria's fault, actually.

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Speaker 3: The big Bang's fault. I didn't return the apology, which

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Speaker 3: and eventually reach my breaking point. Step mom has disrespected

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Speaker 3: I don't see this cycle ever ending and feels so hopeless.

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Speaker 3: I don't want it to affect my relationship with my

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Speaker 3: dad that it already has. How could I move on

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Speaker 3: time so I won't leave feeling hopeless and sad. Stepmom

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Speaker 3: is obviously insecure and it shows, making her almost impossible

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Speaker 3: any advice offered. Thank you, and there is an update, folks.

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Speaker 3: But what's your advice for op.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like, it's hard when you're eighteen, but you

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Speaker 2: ultimately like doesn't have any control over you anymore, like things,

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Speaker 2: you know, I feel that great advice, but it's like

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Speaker 2: literally just learning to like just be like, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you just not ignore. Is your dad's not gonna divorce her?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I my advice if you know, if you still

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Speaker 3: is I mean, you're eighteen, so you don't have to

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Speaker 3: stay over at their house anymore. Maybe invite your dad

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Speaker 3: to do things outside of the house and just have that,

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Speaker 3: like a really frank conversation about you know, you just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you do want that an yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: it should be pretty understandable to go like, hey, the

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Speaker 2: really be cool with her. Yeah, and I don't think

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Speaker 2: be cool with her. So what are you gonna do that?

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Speaker 2: Because you're also not the parent in this situation, you're

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Speaker 2: managing all exactly.

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Speaker 3: But there is an update three years later. WHOA, Okay,

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Speaker 3: so we're about to find out probably exactly what OPI did.

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Speaker 3: When I now twenty one female was fourteen, my parents

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Speaker 3: divorced and my father forty five male, married his mistress

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Speaker 3: forty's female I'll nickname her Latoxica, three weeks after finalization.

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Speaker 3: The very first time I stayed at my dad's house,

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Speaker 3: I was sitting in my room on my phone while

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Speaker 2: Dude, he married this woman three weeks after the divorce

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Speaker 2: was finalized. That's actually that's crazy. That's like I read that,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't absorb it.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be cool with my dad.

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Speaker 3: I would never be cool. I would be like, Dad,

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Speaker 3: I'm not coming to the wedding.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did you go to the wedding? I'd be I'd

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Speaker 2: be so so uncool.

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Speaker 3: Latoxica came into my room asking if we could discuss

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Speaker 3: my parents de and I'd say.

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Speaker 2: No, Oh, how you had homewrecked to my family.

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Speaker 3: With my father? I politely said I don't feel up

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Speaker 3: to talking about it. Despite me setting that boundary, she

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Speaker 3: sat on my bed and told me the divorce wasn't

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Speaker 3: her fault and I had no right to blame her

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Speaker 2: Hey, am going to blame you for not getting out

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Speaker 2: of my room right now?

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Speaker 3: Why are you in? I literally be like, sorry, why

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Speaker 3: are you in? Why are you in my room?

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Speaker 2: Like straight up, like why are you looking behind you?

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Speaker 2: Like what who are you talking to? Because it's not me.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even completely blame her. I knew there was

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Speaker 3: blame on my dad and even my mom. I told

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Speaker 3: her again I didn't want to talk about it, and

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Speaker 3: yelling at me to come out. Man, I literally would

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Speaker 3: Well, this isn't when OP was eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Now, this has been there fourteen. Yeah, oh even more so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. After that incident, she's held a grudge against me

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Speaker 2: At that point, I'd be like, you're right, Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing this. Does it exclusively to upset you?

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Speaker 2: Every moment of every day is a calculation to make

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Speaker 3: When I was sixteen, Latoxika accused me of laughing at

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Speaker 3: She demanded I come downstairs, where she screamed and humiliated

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Speaker 3: He told me I could play his Nintendo Switch while

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Speaker 2: If I was ope, I'm throwing him, there'd be there'd

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's what I would have done at fourteen.

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Speaker 2: If my dad's mistress is screaming at me that I

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Speaker 1: Yi.

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Speaker 3: I responded, you didn't have to lie to me, that's all.

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Speaker 3: I apologize for disrespecting her in her house, and she responded,

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Speaker 3: remember this is my house, not yours. I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Hours later, she cornered me in the kitchens, screaming that

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Speaker 2: So the uppercut is you throw it with the elbow

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Speaker 2: tucked in right. It's a lot of bad job jab

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Speaker 3: in June, I cleaned the house multiple days, gave her compliments,

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Speaker 3: After this trip, I felt like I could finally have peace.

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Speaker 3: Year's where it gets bad again. In October, my dad

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Speaker 3: actually I'm wondering, like why did we go on this trip, because.

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Speaker 3: Quite the problem is that when you try and do

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Speaker 3: nothing that you need to please her exactly because she's

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Speaker 3: just gonna keep raising the bar because she just doesn't

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Speaker 2: If she's like, your outfit's horrible, I'm like, well, it

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Speaker 2: certainly is horrible to sleep with a married man. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: every time, not something I've ever done. Every time you

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Speaker 2: just hit her with that, Wow, where's my mom? I

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Speaker 2: don't see her, She's not you. Oh yeah, and then

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Speaker 2: just slept with my dad every time.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know it was expected to wear something nice

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Speaker 3: on a red eye flight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is this like the fifties? Like everyone has

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Speaker 3: Everyone's got to be messed up on your flights. You

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Speaker 3: never know who you gotta meet.

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Speaker 2: Dakota, you never know could be on that Howard Hues,

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Speaker 3: Flying that plane, would be Marlon Brando.

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Speaker 2: We're flying twa so true.

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Speaker 3: On the first night there, I was talking to my

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Speaker 3: of her ridiculous antics. It wasn't serious, and I didn't

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Speaker 3: say to her face. These harmless comments about my grandma

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Speaker 3: triggered Latoxika the entire trip. She got angry at me

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Speaker 3: for the pettiest things, interjected every time I talked to

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, I'm genuinely repulsed by you.

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Speaker 3: I genuinely hate you.

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Speaker 2: Like is your name Rita, rita repulsa? Uh aren't you

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Speaker 2: supposed to be on the Power Rangers TV show?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I was incredibly distraught and cried the whole trip

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Speaker 3: I genuinely I feel like, if you're having these types

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Speaker 3: If your dad says, hey, you want to come on

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Speaker 3: a trip with the family, you say, is Stepmom'm gonna

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Speaker 3: be there? And if he says yes, you go.

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Speaker 2: Well No, I feel like you're like one step removed

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Speaker 2: from like the Promised Land Nirvana of just being like

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Speaker 2: truly nothing you say holds.

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Speaker 3: Anything, you can't affect me.

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you are now the clown from it,

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Speaker 2: and I am not afraid of you anymore.

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Speaker 3: Yep, you can.

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Speaker 2: You can't get me.

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Speaker 3: After the trip, she had no idea why I was

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Speaker 3: to explain that she should have communicated better. But I

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Speaker 3: You're not even related to her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd be like, so peace, Grandma, who are you

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Speaker 2: talking about?

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Speaker 3: I apologize because I wanted it to be over, But

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Speaker 3: I told my dad I would never go on vacation

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Speaker 3: with them again and that she would never regain my trust.

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Speaker 3: Last week, I was on the phone with my brother.

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Speaker 3: He had me on speakerphone but forgot to tell me.

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Speaker 3: During the conversation, something came up about toxica, and I

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Speaker 3: The truth is I only ever asked her for money

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Speaker 3: because my dad supports me through college, but insists I

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Speaker 2: She likes the acknowledgment, the acknowledgement of what just having

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Speaker 3: In reality, she's simply transferring me my dad's money, but

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Speaker 3: I have no choice but to go through her.

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Speaker 2: You just asked me for money last week. Whose money

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Speaker 2: was that, you know?

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Speaker 3: Was it your money?

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Speaker 2: Whose money was that?

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize that you just got all of my

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Speaker 2: Oh are you his employee? M oh so all of

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Speaker 2: I'm confused. I thought you guys got married after you

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Speaker 3: Most of the time, I save up my own money

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Speaker 3: admitting that I shouldn't have said what I did. I

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Speaker 3: but that it was still unacceptable. I told her I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't make excuses, but I didn't feel she had been

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Speaker 3: and that she had treated me in ways that were toxic.

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Speaker 3: I admitted that I still resented her for mistreating me

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Speaker 3: and was sorry.

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Speaker 2: Bro, she was literally being the NSA on you right now.

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Speaker 2: She was spying on you. She said that in a

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Speaker 2: private conversation she sucks. You should be like, I'm sorry

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Speaker 2: you decided to eavesdrop and get your own feelings hurt.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry that you are toxic, and I said that

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Speaker 3: you were toxic.

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Speaker 2: You're doing it right now.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the sky's blue. What do you want me

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Speaker 3: to say? You want me to lie? I also told

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Speaker 3: nothing else to say to me. Then she claimed that

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Speaker 2: She would have just said, I just would. After she

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Speaker 3: I didn't think you were glad ever gonna shut up?

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Speaker 3: You just kept talking. She questioned when she had ever

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Speaker 3: remember any such time. Each of her texts were laced

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Speaker 3: with passive aggressive emojis. Her claims were completely false. I

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Speaker 3: didn't avoid speaking to her. She was the one who

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Speaker 3: constantly pestered me throughout my adolescence, forcing me into dozens

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Speaker 3: of conversations I didn't want to have. I had no

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Speaker 3: this story. Do you have any final thoughts?

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Speaker 2: She's like, when have I been toxic? I'd be like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I remember I was fourteen. I was

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Speaker 2: wanted to tell me that the affair wasn't your fault.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think you just go through all the times that

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Speaker 2: Honestly, at the end of the day, all of this

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00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 2: is like if you because I would also have a

441
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 2: problem with my dad, I'd be like, if y'all had

442
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 2: like a shred of decency, y'all would have waited six

443
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 2: months before you got married, but you did it three

444
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 2: weeks after. You're literally garbage. I don't want anything to

445
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 2: do with you.

446
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also the fact that he keeps trying to

447
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 3: pressure Op into having a relationship with her stepmom. Yeah,

448
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 3: you know, like one he's trying to make Op go

449
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 3: on these trips together, making her ask her stepmom for money.

450
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Speaker 2: And he's studying for school too, So it's like, I

451
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 2: guess you can't really yeah, obliterate that relationship, Yeah, but

452
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,679
Speaker 2: certainly can't after school. Yes, And I'll go, wait, what

453
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 2: do you mean I paid for your school? He'd be like,

454
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Speaker 2: I wonder if this is how mom felt when she

455
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Speaker 2: found out you were cheating on her rug pull.

456
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Speaker 3: Just maybe, but there's a little bit left. I end

457
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 3: at the exchange by telling her that she should figure

458
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 3: it out on her own. I told her I had

459
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 3: endured abuse from her since the moment I met her,

460
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 3: wished her good luck, informed her I was blocking her,

461
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 3: and told her not to contact me again.

462
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 2: Good good job.

463
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 3: But you got there. Took you a while, ten years,

464
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 3: we got there.

465
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: I would love to just bother her though, you know

466
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Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, I get it that the blocking

467
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,199
Speaker 2: is the most peaceful. But she just talk to me,

468
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 2: and I just go like this, oh cheater, says what

469
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: what exactly? Was there something you said?

470
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Speaker 3: After this conversation, my dad called to let me know

471
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 3: she was completely lost in crying because she had no

472
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 3: idea she was harmful and toxic. Well, then go to therapy.

473
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 3: If you don't have any self awareness, this is like, have.

474
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Speaker 2: You heard like, you know, the performative male joke right now,

475
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: this is like the flip side of the performative male,

476
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 2: like the like the dark counterpart of the performative like

477
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 2: toxic a fair wife being like, oh my god, I'm

478
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:04,959
Speaker 2: so distraught.

479
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 3: I didn't know I was toxic and no harmful, and I'm.

480
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: So upset about it. It's like, no, you're upset. You're

481
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: being called out on it. Literally.

482
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 3: I mean, from when she had the affair and NOP

483
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 3: was fourteen, she has asserted that she has not done

484
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: anything wrong, nothing.

485
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: It's not my faults, not.

486
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 3: My fault, and she just can't accept fault or blame

487
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 3: for anything. She told my brother she was sad I

488
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 3: would make up lies and trade her that way after

489
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Speaker 3: she'd been so nice to me. I told my dad

490
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Speaker 3: I didn't care and that she's a self absorbed person

491
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 3: I don't want in my life. I'm exhausted by the gas,

492
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 3: slighting and abuse, but my dad keeps telling me it's

493
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 3: not that bad, it's not abuse. I want to maintain

494
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 3: no contact with her because I cannot see any solution.

495
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 3: Is there something I'm missing here?

496
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: No?

497
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Speaker 3: Keep no contact?

498
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you kinda are missing that it could

499
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 2: be really funny to just bother her incessantly, but that

500
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 2: is not the path of peace. No, and you can

501
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 2: maintain no contact. You're not ready. You're still twenty one.

502
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: You're not ready yet to fully just like bother this

503
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 2: person while everything that they say means nothing to you. Like,

504
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 2: you're not there yet. You need a little more time

505
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: in the rock tumbler before you know, you get polished

506
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: to that level.

507
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 3: So true, Oh pee, just keep tumbling, you'll get there.

508
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 3: We'll get there eventually. But that's the end of that story.

509
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 3: And we've got another one coming right up.

510
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: I demanded money from my brother after my pet passed away.

511
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: Was he responsible?

512
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 2: Let's find out? I twenty female and my brother sixteen male.

513
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: I have never gotten along. This all started years ago,

514
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 2: when I was around ten. I don't know what's in

515
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: this story, but I'm putting a trigger warning for something

516
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: happening to a pet right now. If you're a person

517
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: who can't handle that, probably this is a risky story

518
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 2: to listen to, because the next sentence is, I know

519
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 2: it's common for siblings not to get along, but this

520
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: kid is a psycho.

521
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 3: Oh no, that's not good. Get your pets out of there.

522
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: Our arguments were always very severe. And by the way,

523
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,239
Speaker 2: this comes from user Amy Louver And if you want

524
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Speaker 2: to submit your own stories, go to the r slash

525
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Speaker 2: Okay storytime subred it. I'm Dakota, I'm Sophia, I'm Riley,

526
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 2: and Op says I have always been an animal lover.

527
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 3: I'm scared.

528
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 4: I just hope it's not a turtle.

529
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 2: What because he likes turtles woodles.

530
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 4: I don't know anybody else. You get to pick one,

531
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 4: You get to pick one one pet. You hope it's not.

532
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 3: Oh, I hope it's not a dog.

533
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: Me as well. I hope you can't get mine. Yeah,

534
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: hope it not a bigger dog.

535
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know what size my dog was.

536
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: Fine, I hope it's not a cat. Okay, we've got cats,

537
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 2: turtles and dogs.

538
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: Are covered everything else. Sorry, And all.

539
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: Of my pets have lived long and happy lives up

540
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 2: to this point. He, on the other hand, is not

541
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: good with pets. All of his animals have turned on

542
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,479
Speaker 2: each other through lack of care and research. He's running

543
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 2: the watership.

544
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 3: Down and cock fights in there.

545
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 2: Oh, it's the bunnies turning on each other, which actually

546
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 2: they will do that.

547
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's the one passage that Dakota read from.

548
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm not even from Watership that like if

549
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 2: you bunnies will get aggressively violent.

550
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and apparently if you put pigs, horses and other

551
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 4: you know, animals on a farm, they will start like

552
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 4: communism or something.

553
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 3: And that's it.

554
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: And that's Watership down and.

555
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: That's Watershed and animal Farm is actually about bunny.

556
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that movie. This led me to taking

557
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: on a few of his small pets, two different types

558
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: of hamsters, also bloodthirsty creatures, to emphasize our different views

559
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 2: on animals. I go out of my way to rescue animals,

560
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: no matter if I'm scared of them or not, while

561
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 2: he would rather see them suffer. What okay, Well, to

562
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: be clear, I'm not saving a bear. I'm want to

563
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 2: see them suffer. I don't want it. I'm gonna look away.

564
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: But I'm not saving the bear because it kill me.

565
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 2: I'm not going up to the bear. But I'm calling in,

566
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: you know, someone.

567
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 3: To save the bear.

568
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: Savings guys saying he'd go in and go It's okay.

569
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: It's with that hamster.

570
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 4: Ah until how big cot fox Fox?

571
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: I need anything that can kill me.

572
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: Fox, I'm saving the fox, saving the fox, for sure.

573
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: I can take a fox, right, yeah, possom, yeahssums can

574
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: get dangerous. Anything that can't rip me apart possum.

575
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: Anyway.

576
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: I had six Gerbils at the start of last year

577
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 2: from two different litters. Two of them are three years

578
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: old currently and four of them would be two years

579
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: old today.

580
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 3: Oh no, I do want to say. None of the

581
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 3: animals we said we didn't want to see, so that's something.

582
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: A few months ago, I lost one of the two

583
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: year old Gerbils due to suspicious circumstances. The vett told

584
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 2: me he had been fed something he shouldn't have been,

585
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: and this was very strange to me because I'm so

586
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: careful with what's in and around their enclosure. I've always

587
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 2: been suspicious of my brother since then. I just I'm sorry.

588
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: I'm visualizing a little like Gerbil detective figuring out.

589
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 3: I always knew there was something wrong about my brother.

590
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: Since Little Pity passed away under suspicious circumstances, I've been

591
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 3: on the trail ever since, sneaking around the shadows.

592
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: It was actually for clues. It was actually one of

593
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: the other Gerbils. In this situation, she said, my brother.

594
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: So the Gerbils are spraming Op's youngest sibly the Gerbils perspective.

595
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: He was talking about how he thinks his brother did it.

596
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is from Op's perspective. No, I was saying,

597
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: Gerbil detective like the Gerbil is the detective like a

598
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: toy story type situation, or G force or G force

599
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: when you say or in front of that movie. It

600
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: sounds kind of funny just putting it out there. The

601
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: second I brought my two year old Gerbils home, they

602
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: would have been around four to six weeks old, he

603
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: threatened to throw them down the stairs. He has made

604
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: many more threats towards them since, and yesterday he finally

605
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: got his wish for context. We have three cats in

606
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: the house. Oh at least it's the circle of life,

607
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

608
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: Oh at least.

609
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: Uh, well, actually it might not be. This has made

610
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: me take extra precautions to make sure they can't get

611
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: to the The enclosure is taller than it needs to be,

612
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: and I have things around the base to ensure the

613
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: cats won't be able to see in. The cats weren't

614
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: allowed upstairs, so the door is always shut to my

615
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: room and to the stairs. Despite this, my brother always

616
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: manages to let the cats up out of spite. My

617
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: gerbils were playing peacefully while my cat was gently opening

618
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: the door to my bedroom so I didn't notice him.

619
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: He lunged himself at the wall near the enclosure and

620
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: scared three of my younger gerbils. Gerbils, like many small creatures,

621
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: have tiny hearts. They've got a hard so cute though

622
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: saying that.

623
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: They've got tiny little hearts.

624
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: Is this about to be like a fainting goat situation?

625
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 3: I think they're probably pass away them.

626
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: So this can be enough to unlive them. I launched

627
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: myself off my bed and grabbed my cat. I took

628
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: him downstairs and found my brother. I asked if he

629
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: had shut the door, and his response was they should

630
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: be allowed upstairs. It's not my fault you decided to

631
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: get gerbils. Now. Do I think think that the cat

632
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: should be able to scare the gerbils to death? No?

633
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: Do I think the cats should be allowed upstairs? Yes?

634
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: Do I think maybe we shouldn't have gerbils and cats

635
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: in the house. If you if your gerbils can be

636
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: unlive by the cats.

637
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 4: Why why aren't the Gerbils in their fun little ball things?

638
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, why aren't the gerb Why are the gerbils on

639
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: the ground? Why are the gerbils well, their ages on

640
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: the floor. Put them in a raised place.

641
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: Well, cats can jump. That wouldn't really help, Yeah, I mean.

642
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they make me. Give them a platform to

643
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: jump onto. You know, you can jump.

644
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 4: It'd make me feel better.

645
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: I just think if I knew I had a sibling

646
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: who was a psycho, and also I had diny little

647
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: creatures that could be hurt by the other creatures in

648
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: my house, I probably wouldn't get those tiny little creatures.

649
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd even like that, just hurt by the presence

650
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: of the cat. When I came upstairs, everything seemed okay.

651
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: They had stopped playing and were a little shaken up,

652
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: but with everything that happened, they seemed fine. They were

653
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: smoking a little gurbil cigarette.

654
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: Comment, Oh that was so scary.

655
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: Don't nobody smoke. It doesn't actually calm you down. They

656
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: had to deal with stress.

657
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: It was just bubbles.

658
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were just yeah. They had like a little

659
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: jurable candy.

660
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: Cigarets and one of them was gone. Do you think,

661
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: think let the door open. Who couldn't possibly.

662
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: Have been Riley just slamming the red light button over

663
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: there doesn't work anymore.

664
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: That was relevant. That was relevant.

665
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: This is too funny for us not to do. Okay.

666
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: I had an over the phone consultation with my local vet,

667
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: who told me to keep an eye on the Gerbils

668
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: for at least twelve hours. Sometimes it won't happen instantly

669
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: and could be delayed. I started watching the net of

670
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: flicks and kept checking them periodically. This is when I

671
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: noticed one of my Gerbils suddenly becoming very slow. I

672
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: thought he might be tie it or something of the sort. However,

673
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: when I picked him up, he was limp oh no.

674
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: I tried everything to bring him back and wake him up,

675
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: but it was just too late. I couldn't do any more.

676
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: After the hour had passed and I had to say goodbye.

677
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: The Dribble was called Swiss and was only two years old. Hey,

678
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: it's Sam. We're gonna get back to these stories. But

679
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: here's three of bits of bads from our sponsors that

680
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: keep the show alive. So sorry, I'm just thinking of

681
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: like doing tiny.

682
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: That's sad.

683
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: This is sad. This is sad.

684
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: This is sad.

685
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: Would I be more sad if the cat had a

686
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: heart attack?

687
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 4: Yes, all animals have equal value of life.

688
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: Dakota, Yeah, Dakota is factually incorrect, but we're gonna move on.

689
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: When I checked him moments before, he was fine. However,

690
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: shock can unlive a dribble almost instantly. At any point

691
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: within those twelve hours, at midnight, I found myself crying

692
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: at the table downstairs whilst wrapping my Gerbil up and

693
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: putting him in a small box to bury in the garden.

694
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: My partner twenty mail, was on the phone with me

695
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 2: while this was all happening.

696
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 3: This is really sad. It really sucks to lose like

697
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: any animal, you know. But I do think don't buy

698
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: any more Gerbils.

699
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: True, you live in a house with cats that can

700
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: just I mean, the cats didn't even get to the gerbils,

701
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: just the presence of the You know what, I'm starting

702
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: to think that maybe your lack of building a tolerance

703
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: to the cat might be partially responsible for these gerbil

704
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: heart attacks, you know, because you got it. They got

705
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: a big dosa cat all at the same time.

706
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: They'd never seen that cat.

707
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: And it's like if you would have just trickled the

708
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 2: cat exposure in and then they would know, oh, I'm

709
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: in this cage. The cat is a non issue, this

710
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: large creature.

711
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: I'm always very impressed by people who have like guinea

712
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: pigs and Gerbils and hamsters, because they seem to understand

713
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: them in ways that I just don't get. Like they'll

714
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: be whole them and the gerbil or the guinea pig

715
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: will be like and they're like, Oh, it's happy, and

716
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: then like two seconds later it's like and they're like,

717
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: oh it's angry. I'm like, what that durable just said

718
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 3: the same thing.

719
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: What do you mean.

720
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: It's having a heart attack? What do you mean?

721
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure if you saw a durable happy and

722
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 4: a durable having a heart attack, you know the difference.

723
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: I don't know. It might look very similar, Honestly, it.

724
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 3: Looks and when I said i'd just be like they

725
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 3: get scared or like happy, they look the same.

726
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: I'm remembering all of my hamster slash gerbil interactions I've

727
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: had in my life, and it is they're pretty pretty homogenous.

728
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 3: Theaters are like always like, oh, oh you can't hold it,

729
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: Oh you can. I likes that now, I'm like, what

730
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 3: do you mean, so I just never touch them because

731
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: I don't I'm scared of them.

732
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 2: And demanded my brother pay for the gerbil I lost

733
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: due to his negligence when it comes to leaving doors

734
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 2: open that he has been told to shut. My mother

735
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: was not happy with this at all, neither would I be.

736
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: She called me into a room and told me that

737
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: it was all my fault and that they are my gerbils,

738
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: so I should be responsible for shutting doors in the house.

739
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: I tried to argue that it's impossible if I'm not

740
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: aware my brother has left a door open on a

741
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: completely different floor of the house, but she was having

742
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: none of it. She told me to grow up and

743
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: leave them both alone. This morning, the argument started again.

744
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: She asked me if I was okay, and I simply

745
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: replied with no and carried on with my morning routine.

746
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: She scoffed and walked away. Then my brother came out

747
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: of his room and I reminded him of the money

748
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: he now owes me ten pounds. She told him he

749
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: didn't owe me anything and to just ignore me. I

750
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 2: reminded both of them that I didn't even get an apology.

751
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: My brother went on to explain that he thought I

752
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: was lying about my gerbil being unalived and that I

753
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: just wanted the money. He told me he'd pay me

754
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: the money if I showed him proof. I told him

755
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be digging up my beloved pet all for

756
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: a bit of money. After a while of a screaming match,

757
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: he finally coughed up the money and told me to

758
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: leave it or he would unlive all of my Gerbils.

759
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: Okay, yikes.

760
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: Not a cool vibe. That my mother chipped in and said,

761
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm lucky she doesn't boot me out of the house,

762
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: and kept reminding me that it was all my fault.

763
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: Which do I think it's all your fault? Now? Do

764
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: I think it could have been entirely prevented by you alone? Yeah?

765
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 3: A little bit.

766
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, your brother didn't sneak in and throw the

767
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 2: cat in your room and then close the door while

768
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: you were gone. You were there, and.

769
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: Then, oh, PE's just upset. She last a pet.

770
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: It's upsetting a little Durbil heart attack. My mother said

771
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: she would decide if I needed to leave when she

772
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: gets back from work. Yikes. Since she left, I've received

773
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: the money from my brother along with many threatening texts

774
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: from him and text from my mother telling me I'm

775
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: in the wrong and I shouldn't own pets. So here's

776
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 2: my question. Am I wrong for blaming my brother as

777
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: opposed to my cat for the passing of my gerbil?

778
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: You're wrong on both of those.

779
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

780
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: Am I wrong for demanding my there pays me for

781
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: the loss of my beloved pet? Yeah? Kind of. But

782
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: should you be get kicked out because of this? But

783
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: also blame yourself? I'm sorry, I just you gotta blame yourself.

784
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: I think that his reaction after everything of being like

785
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna unlive your other ones, that's crazy, not cool, right,

786
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 3: all of his reactions after not Okay.

787
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: You knew that your little gerbils had little hearts that

788
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: could be heart attacked, so maybe they shouldn't have been

789
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: in a cage on the ground where if the cat

790
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 2: got into your room, because even you know, accidents happened.

791
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: This definitely wasn't an accident, and he definitely let the

792
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: cat upstairs on purpose. But like, I don't know, close

793
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: your door, keep the door closed. Yeah, if you're aware

794
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: that you own animals that are that delicate, then you

795
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 2: gotta own one. Hundred percent of the responsibility of keeping

796
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: them safe. Yeah, some small context for the story here.

797
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: I thought I would give a little bit more context

798
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: to clear up anything that may have needed more information.

799
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: My mother has always defended his behavior and always stood

800
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: by him. Sounds like she also doesn't like gerbils. My father,

801
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: on the other hand, is lovely and has never meant

802
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 2: to do this. I don't live with my dad after

803
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 2: he got removed from the house the day he returned

804
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: home from his cancer surgery and month long stay in

805
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: the hospital.

806
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 3: What way see, Okay, that you just said.

807
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 2: You were gonna give us more information and you're not

808
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: gonna explain that.

809
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: That's crazy. That's super relevant information to why your mom

810
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: is like, out of the blue trying to kick you

811
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 3: out or trying to punch you out of the house.

812
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: Now you're telling me that she already did that with

813
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: your dad because he was in the hospital for a month.

814
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: What happened just well, just the cold heartedness that like

815
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: even if that's like he gets back from the hospital

816
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: after having cancer and then she's like, I can't do this.

817
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: It's like you're actually disgusting.

818
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm sorry to kick someone for sickness and health.

819
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah right, well you're gross for that. If that's what that.

820
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 3: Was like, least maybe figure out some sort of live

821
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 3: in situation.

822
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 2: First had an affair with the nurse something the doctor that.

823
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 3: Got no clue.

824
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: I don't know. Ah okay. I have two locks for

825
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: the bedroom door ordered, one being for the inside of

826
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: my bedroom door and the other for the outside, both

827
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: lockable with keys. I have yet to tell my mother

828
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 2: about this, however, I shall leave an update if I'll

829
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: go as well.

830
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: See that's what I was thinking. That's the best way

831
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: to do this.

832
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, just have a door that locks.

833
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

834
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 2: As for moving out, I've been looking for places to stay,

835
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 2: but while still being in college, this is very difficult.

836
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm hoping the lock will be enough while I'm waiting

837
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 2: for a place and a stable income I could live off.

838
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: To clear up any confusion about the cats living in

839
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: the house, we have a rule that applies to everyone

840
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: that they need to be shut downstairs and not allowed

841
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: in the bedroom section of the house. This is to

842
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: prevent more than just harmed my gerbils. My brother seems

843
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: to be the only one that ignores this. The door

844
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: is very secure us. Yes, I know my animals are

845
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: my responsibility, and I fully accept that doesn't sound like it. However,

846
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: the cats don't belong to just me and are shared

847
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: with all three in the house, hence why we still

848
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: have a door to the hall leading to the stairs,

849
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: which my brother refused to shut. My bedroom door had

850
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: only been left open to make sure the gerbils didn't

851
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: get heat stroke as it was nearing thirty five degrees

852
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: celsius in my room and it's important to keep the

853
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: room ventilated.

854
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 3: Then you gotta get them a little fan.

855
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 2: You gotta do something.

856
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: You gotta get them a little fan in there.

857
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: Small update and response to some comments. I was going

858
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: to tell my dad I wanted a lock put on

859
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: my door, but he called me to tell me he

860
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: was going to take me to a shop to get

861
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: a more sturdy lock for my door, pop lock and

862
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: drop it. Rather than having a lock on both sides

863
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: screwed in easy to just pull off of the door

864
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 2: or unscrew he was gonna get me a lock like

865
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: our bathroom. It locks from both sides, keeping me away

866
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: from my brother more as well as the animals. It

867
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: works by having a herning lock for the inside, no

868
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: key required and a key for the outside, so I

869
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: can lock it while I'm not there. This means I

870
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: can also lock it while I'm asleep. It works by

871
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: locking the door handle up rather than something within the

872
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: door sliding like a normal house door. Thanks for that.

873
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: I told my mother about the lock situation. She flipped.

874
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: She tried to hide it momentarily, and then when she

875
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: couldn't any longer, started screaming at me for thinking of

876
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 2: violating her home and that apparently I had no right.

877
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: I don't pay to live with her. She wanted me to,

878
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: but I told her that when I'm treated like a

879
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: human being, I would maybe give her a small cut. However,

880
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 2: I told her no. After my brother started making more

881
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: threats about me and started actively convincing her to exile me,

882
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: there was some shame directed at me for bringing animals

883
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 2: into the situation in the comments. If I had known

884
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 2: my brother would be this bad, of course, I wouldn't

885
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: have gotten them in the first place. However, I couldn't

886
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: predict what was going to happen. Weeks and years after

887
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: I had gotten them. There were no hints this would happen,

888
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: as he's never said he was going to harm an animal.

889
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,479
Speaker 2: Let alone, unlive it, or purposely leave a door open

890
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: to try to achieve this. Okay, I think that's such

891
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: a stretch.

892
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 3: I do think that you could have predicted a little.

893
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: Bit, yeah, to be like that, at least no way

894
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: I could.

895
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 3: Have known just that the cats might get into your

896
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 3: room and scare your gerbals. I feel like that could

897
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: have been predicted a little bit.

898
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 2: I still don't feel like we're taking any responsibility for that. Yeah,

899
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 2: and your brother can also be bad, and you can

900
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 2: take responsibility for what happened.

901
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 3: I feel like you need to move out. It seems

902
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: like nobody really wants you here, and that sucks.

903
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 2: I don't think they can move out.

904
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 3: I know, but I feel like we need to like.

905
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 2: Start trying hard, try hard to move out. I will, however,

906
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: take full responsibility for my door being open. I once

907
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 2: again couldn't have guessed that my brother would actually do

908
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: this knowing my door was open. There were reasons as

909
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 2: to why my door was open. It was to create

910
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 2: a small draft for the gerbils so they didn't get

911
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: too hot. If I could go back and change literally

912
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 2: anything about all of this, it would be to shut

913
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: my door. No animal, lover, you ask, would honestly tell

914
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 2: you that they would have decided against getting an animal

915
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: because they love the pet weigh too much. However, in

916
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: that moment, if I had known, I would have heavily

917
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: weighed everything up and decided my dad's would have been

918
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 2: the best place to keep them. Before anyone asks, no,

919
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: I can't just move the gerbils. Now, this is an

920
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: environment they're used to. They've also gotten used to me

921
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 2: and become very tame. If I suddenly move them, any

922
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: bond of trust and comfort I've built up would shatter. Hey,

923
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: it's John here. We're gonna get back to the stories.

924
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: Put a quick three minute ad break from our sponsors

925
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: that keep the show going.

926
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I feel like we can still move them.

927
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: It just might take a little bit of work.

928
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: I posit that if just moving them to your dad's

929
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: would obliterate any bond of trust or comfort that has

930
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: been built up, there's.

931
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: Not really anything there. Well I feel like not right, No, Well,

932
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 3: no gerbils in like from when I know about guinea pigs,

933
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 3: which I'm assuming they're somewhat similar, Like, yeah, they are

934
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 3: very finicky, and why are you what different?

935
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: The gurbils have the ability to know you moved them,

936
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: and it's like you, my, my betrayer, I will not

937
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: give you the happy squeaks. Ever. Again, they're different. Grubles

938
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: are like this big, and guinea pigs are like.

939
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 3: I'm aware, I'm I know it's size wise, they're different,

940
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 3: but I'm saying that they're they're demeanors.

941
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: Are sim would you say thing a fox and a parrot,

942
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: a fox and a ferret, fair a fox and right.

943
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 3: My point is that with guinea pigs you can't, like

944
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 3: it's it's hard to just move them to different places.

945
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,479
Speaker 3: You have to get them accustomed to them. However, when

946
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 3: the alternative is decease, when it's passing away, sorry, then

947
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: yeah you should move them.

948
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: I'm just dying because there's all these comments being like

949
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 2: you can absolutely move Gerbil will do anything adverse to them.

950
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: No, they might be like a little bit like scared

951
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 3: or something. But my point is like, there's no way

952
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: that that's harder than them like passing away.

953
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, in your heat stroke room. Apparently Lisa Bumgartner was like,

954
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: I'm in vet school learning about all this right now,

955
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: and they are not that sensitive. This is overboard because.

956
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 3: Then you would never be able to bring them to

957
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 3: the vet if that were.

958
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 2: It's like crazy, Yeah, I don't like it. Again, I'm

959
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: not liking anybody in this story right now. Okay, but

960
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 2: we're coming up to the end. Let's go. I moved

961
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: some gerbils in with my dad, my older three, so

962
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: I could decorate my room. I did this for a

963
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: week so the fumes could be let out and they

964
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: would be safe from the cats. When they came back,

965
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 2: they didn't recognize my smell or the smell of the room.

966
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 2: They were unsettled for weeks and kept me up at night.

967
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: Slowly they built up some trust with me, but some

968
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: of their old habits never returned. For everyone telling me

969
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 2: to move out, that's the plan. However, I'm a student.

970
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 2: I need to finish my education for a good job

971
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: in order to support myself in the future. That's adorable.

972
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: Finishing college is the only way I'm going to be

973
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: able to do that. My dad and I have planned

974
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: for me to move in for two years. My mother

975
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: booted him out after he got cancer, which led to

976
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: our relationship breaking down. So she did do that. She

977
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: sucked us aways. Your mom's for me and my dad's

978
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: planned to go ahead. I need money for a car.

979
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: My dad would charge me rent while I got settled,

980
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 2: and it wouldn't be like living with a parent, more

981
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: like a bedsit or small flat with a landlord. The

982
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: whole of the upstairs wouldn't be mine. Just enough so

983
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 2: I have everything I need to live in the UK,

984
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: the prices for homes and to rent are getting worse

985
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: and worse each year.

986
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, oh yeah, I don't know if you know

987
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 3: a lot about gurbils.

988
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: HONEYB eighty five says gurbils are nocturnal.

989
00:47:59,120 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: That's what I was saying.

990
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 2: Of course they will keep her away.

991
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 3: My first thought was that every again. I only have

992
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 3: experience with guinea pigs, but they're off all night. I

993
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 3: don't understand.

994
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: If I wanted to move out before I could, I

995
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 2: would end up miles away from my workplace, college, and

996
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: my partner, all while not being able to get a car.

997
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 2: I need to think logically about that rather than move

998
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: the second I have money for a house or flat,

999
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: which would also take a lot more time than if

1000
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: I was just to move in with my dad, Get

1001
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 2: a bike, get a bike, use a bus.

1002
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 3: Bike bike bus, publicize.

1003
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: Get out of here, and then figure it out. You

1004
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 2: do not have. There's no such thing as having everything

1005
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 2: figured out right the perfect time, and then you do it.

1006
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: Get out of the house, out, figure out the car situation.

1007
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: Having to ride a bike every day will really motivate

1008
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: you to get enough money to get a car. As

1009
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: for the your twenty just move out comments, plenty of

1010
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: twenty year olds have to live with their parents now

1011
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: due to housing prices being so bad. If you're fresh

1012
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: out of UNI or college and are on minimum wage,

1013
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 2: this just isn't affordable. Some unis even offer housing as

1014
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: part of the price or give aid to students who

1015
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 2: will be further from home and still have no other option.

1016
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: After that, the majority of them move back in with

1017
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: their parents. I haven't gotten any pets in over two years,

1018
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: so I haven't gotten any more since this all started

1019
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: to get worse. The cats are around ten and eleven

1020
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: years old. I didn't purchase them, so technically have no

1021
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 2: say over what they do, but my mother does as

1022
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 2: she was the one who purchased them. She is also

1023
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 2: a terrible owner and has me paying for a ton

1024
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: of the vet bills, or they wouldn't get specific treatments

1025
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: they need to have. I am reminded of my lack

1026
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: of ownership daily, and that is the end of that story.

1027
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 2: Sin stop being the vet bills.

1028
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. If your mom says, hey, I need you

1029
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: to pay rent, and your response was I'll pay rent

1030
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 3: when I start getting treated like a human being, then

1031
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 3: when she says, hey, I need you to pay for

1032
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 3: the vet bills, then your response is I'll pay for

1033
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 3: the vet bills when I own the cats. Why couldn't

1034
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 3: you do that that time?

1035
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: Well, because it's like, oh he is, like it, wouldn't

1036
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 2: they care about it?

1037
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 3: You gotta help the other Well, is she not pay

1038
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 3: for them if you didn't.

1039
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: We have to be able to prioritize our ourself first.

1040
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: We have to that money you're spending on vet bills

1041
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: for the cats that you I guess, I mean, you

1042
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: don't hate, but you're more pro Gerbil than you are

1043
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: a pro cat.

1044
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 3: You gotta use that to move out.

1045
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 2: You gotta, Yeah, you gotta save the money, no excuses.

1046
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 2: Go move in with your debt and pay that little

1047
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: slice of rent and be further away from school, adjust

1048
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: and be better than living with you know, in an

1049
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: environment where you know, it seems like everyone's had to

1050
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 2: get each other. Everyone's had to get you get out

1051
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: of there.

1052
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 4: You are the Gerbil and they are the cats.

1053
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, you don't want to have a tiny heart attack.

1054
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 3: But that's the end of that story and the end

1055
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 3: of this episode. So if you love us, make sure

1056
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 3: to subscribe.

1057
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: We love you and see you tomorrow.