1 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: Welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieban. This is All Ball, All 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Basketball all the time. We talked to some other stuff 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: as well. We got some great other pods coming up. 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: I thought you would this one. Uh. John Gallagher is 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: the head coach of the University of Hartford. Uh. He 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: and I have been friends my day. He was He 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: was great to me, my dad pretty well, grinder assistant 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: long time in college basketball. He'll tell about kind of 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: his story, his own personal story, of course. He made 10 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: the neighborhood a popular word or term or whatever heading 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: into um heading into the n c A tournament. Now 12 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: they lost in their appearance in the n c A term, 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: but there's a lot more to it, right, His unique style, 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: his outgoing way, and by the way, his breakdown of 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 1: how the hell loyalist Chicago thoroughly dismantled, dismembered Illinois. Wait 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: till you hear, You're gonna gonna love this. John Gallagher's 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: the head coach to the University of Hartford and one 18 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: of the Americans Tournament. He joined us now on the 19 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: All Ball podcast. Um. Okay, so you you did it right, 20 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: not just made a tournament, but you became kind of 21 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: that that coach of the ternam like, I gotta have 22 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: that guy on. Now we're like forty eight hours removed 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: from the Whirlwind, which is winning a conference tournament, going 24 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: to the n c A tournament, being on national TV 25 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: promoting your program. Um, what's this been like? You know 26 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: when I was a player seven film, Martelly did it 27 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: with the first St. Joe's team, so I was I 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: got to see what he did. Uh, And I just 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: took a page out of his book, and I think 30 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: it worked out well with him the next twenty years 31 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: at that school. Uh. And I think you you when 32 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: you're putting a position that we're put in as coaches, 33 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: it's not about me. It's about selling the school and 34 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: selling the program. So any interview, I told everybody I'm 35 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: in and you just have to give your time and 36 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: self up. And you could sleep in you know, you 37 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: could sleep in April and may Is John Rolstein says, 38 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: you could sleep later. Yeah, I don't. I guess I 39 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: don't understand. I do know that's just not some people's 40 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: personality right to to do it. But I also don't 41 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: really understand how you're a basketball coach if it's not 42 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: part of your personality. That that's that's the one, right, 43 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: You're like, well, you know, some guys they just don't 44 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: like the camera. They just don't like, Oh, what do 45 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: your job is when you're recruiting to sell or with 46 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: your players, to sell them on the ideas that you're 47 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: coaching them. And then of course now you're just kind 48 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: of selling us on your program in your school. I 49 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: guess that's the thing. Like it does. It falls right 50 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: in line with your personality, which is great, and it's awesome, 51 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: and it's just a natural. It doesn't appear to be 52 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: fake or anything else. I just I guess they don't 53 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: understand some of the guys that are in your profession 54 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: who aren't into it, not realizing that I actually is 55 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: the job it is. And listen, we're all different, but 56 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: from me, this is just who I am. But like 57 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: last night, the Hartford Healthcare CEO invited me over and 58 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: one of the guys, it's you know, a power bird 59 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: Sunday night. You feel like I I'm doing it. Let's go. 60 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: We gotta sell them. We can't stop. We'll rest when 61 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: this run is over, but we gotta keep on elevating 62 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: season tickets. And I think Doug it speaks to something 63 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: that in our business will be changing if you can't fundraise. 64 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: If you at jobs like Hartford, not at the high 65 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: lovel but jobs like Hartford, one third of the job 66 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: is marketing and fundraising. It is yeah, it's Hartford is interesting. 67 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: And again I want to go into your your whole 68 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: personal story, but it could fall in line with one 69 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: of those jobs where because you can and I think 70 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: Danny's got you kind of a path being back because 71 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: Yukon is you know, like the Ryan Gilm story famously right, 72 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: like when Yukon's really Yukon. They don't really recruit, they 73 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: don't have to recruit that much in state and there 74 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: are some players there and you know what what happens 75 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: is some of the local the preps, prep schools up 76 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: the road, right, you got New York City down the road. 77 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: You got you know, you have upstate New York where 78 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: guys gotta get get get missed because people fall in 79 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: love with the higher level schools or higher level athletes 80 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: and stuff like you kind of could be in a 81 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: cool little window there. But I guess the question is 82 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: how come no one's been able to do it at Hertford? 83 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: Is it fundraising is it? What? What? What? What? What? 84 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: What was it? Because I know others might have been 85 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: your position that haven't been able to do it. And 86 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: there were great coaches, So it's fascinating. Here here's a 87 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: couple of things. We have a thing called hashtag the neighborhood. 88 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: So we just got everybody in the community involved. And 89 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: and that was about four years ago. I said, you 90 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 1: gotta go over. Have you been to the Puerto Rican League? 91 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: I have not, but I know everybody there. Mannie, I 92 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: know Mannie, I know all the guys. Listen, I played 93 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: in it. It's actually not it's actually pretty good hoop. 94 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: And I was on a team a couple of a 95 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: couple of years when I was at ESPN. And you 96 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: go in there and like there's a lot of guys 97 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: that played, and you know, there'll be a couple of 98 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: fights whatever, and there's people are cooking outside whatever, and 99 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: you go into the gym and I gotta remember what 100 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: Jim it is. I'll send a text what we're doing this. 101 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like there's Harper's got a little It 102 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: definitely has an infatuation for basketball. It is a basketball hotbed. 103 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: And here's the thing they really like Yukon and then 104 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: and look, I root for Yukon, but it's the state school. 105 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: Like when we got this role going, um, you know, 106 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: my best friend in town is the is a Puerto 107 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: Rican firefighter named Jason Diaz, and he's the union boss. 108 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: All the firefighters are like it. It is a hotbed 109 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: for basketball. We just haven't knocked on the door and 110 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: said hey, we're we're valuable for you. And I think 111 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: we did that the last couple of years, and attendance 112 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: is really improved and the energy around the program is 113 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: finally here that it's like, I don't think we can 114 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: like what Porter did. Obviously Porter is one of my 115 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: best friends. But Porter's like five years in we're on 116 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: a trip to Greece and he's like, you know what, 117 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: we don't get anybody into my games. Five years later 118 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: they're sold out. They're sold out. If you win and 119 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: you connect with the right people in the area, you 120 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: can it can happen anywhere. I really believe that I 121 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: agree to. It's like, there's it's the old. It's the old. 122 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: There's no such thing as a bad job, right, Like 123 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: there are jobs that have different challenges, and but there's 124 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: I remember, you know we I had on um oh god, 125 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: let's say we I'm broken up. We better end of 126 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: this out. Let's say from I'm playing uh from Southern Utah? 127 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: Uh okay? Uh by U now? Or no, no, Todd Simon, 128 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: Todd Simon, you just had him up from Southern Utah. Okay. 129 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: And when the Southern Utah job was open, there was 130 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: a couple of guys connected to the A d that 131 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: I know. They called me. They're like, hey, we need 132 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: some the list need some guys, and so I called. 133 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: I was like, well, before I give you listening, we 134 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: called called people and see if they're interested, you know. 135 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: And I called a couple of dudes that were like 136 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: twelve assistants, like I can't win there. I can't win there. 137 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: And then Todd's like, dude, like it's challenging, but it's 138 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: a beautiful arena. They love basketball. He's done a great scratch, 139 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: he's done a great in the league. He's a great coach, 140 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: he's done a great job. And look, I think where 141 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: I'm at and why we've done it is like we 142 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: flipped the script on like the four best years in 143 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: the scores, three you've happened, and we finally solved sort 144 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: of the like, we played Vermont tough and look, John 145 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: Becker's won five championships. I said it all week. Ryan 146 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: Odom and John Becker are two of the best coaches 147 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: in the country. You have to really figure it out. 148 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,239 Speaker 1: And we have a formulae now. And you know, Seth 149 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: Greenberg helped me with it. I'm not gonna lie to you, Seth. 150 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: Seth four years ago was like, John, you gotta get 151 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 1: old and stay old. So we take we take transfer. 152 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: We take a couple of transfers every year, and then 153 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: you just keep your program with the culture involved, and 154 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: those kids end up loving it. Yeah. You know the 155 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: thing that sucks about those two that you mentioned is 156 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: they won't leave. It's like I had Ryan, right, Most 157 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: guys at that level they go like as as good 158 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: as it gets. Part of the problem with Becker's he's 159 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: got a great boss, and he's got an unbelievable town 160 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: to live in and they got it rolling and now 161 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: they have a new place. Right, He's like, I don't 162 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: need to do any leave for like, so I get 163 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: my ass kicked in a bigger league and in a 164 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: worst city to live in. And you know, Ryan has 165 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: the ultimate upset. He's like, I'll do because they won 166 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: the league this year. Most the reason and that there's 167 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: not consistency at your level is most guys win to like, 168 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: get me out of here first first spot. That's what 169 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: makes yours more challenge. Okay, so you mentioned playing for 170 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: film Martelly. How good were you in high school? I 171 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: was all all like third team, all Catholic and the 172 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: really hard league filed off you Catholic league. I was 173 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: a good high school player. I was not a good 174 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: college player. And I figured it out that I wanted 175 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: to coach, so I just said, let me dive into this. 176 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: That's why you went to play for Phil Yeah, and 177 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: I don't know so so so okay, what high school 178 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: in Philly carn o'hire? Is that where Fani with Frand 179 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: went to South The Frand was on the same year 180 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: as Joe Mohawick. Joe was a little older than him. Okay, so, um, 181 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: who are that your year? It's about my time, right, 182 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: So Donny Carr, Kobe Bryant, Yeah, Davis uh Now, Kobe 183 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: was in the k Kobe's year after me. Yeah, I 184 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: was tell me if you remember there's a Philly point 185 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: guard he went by Red. He had like a black 186 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: guy like he has red hair, great guy Red Smith 187 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: from Gratz. Good good buddy. He kicked my ass. Okay, 188 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: he was really he was really good. Well I didn't 189 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: know that, Okay, So I went to me. I went 190 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: to UH to A B C. D um. So my 191 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: going to my sophomore year was that you syrvine by 192 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: me and sudden he was like he ain't ready for that, 193 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: you know. And then going to my junior like, I 194 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: was pretty good, and I went and we had a 195 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: squad and then my dad coach and we we lost 196 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: in the finals in Ypsilanti. But I remember it was 197 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: like and I was just telling my son about this 198 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: where um he's like, Dad, have you ever just gotten 199 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: just you know, you just got worked in a game. 200 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what, I'll tell you 201 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: one time it absolutely happened. It was like abc D, CAMPLI, Michigan. 202 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: It was like a maybe like the third morning we 203 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: played the Philly team and Red was like the back 204 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: maybe the backup point guard. With the way it worked, 205 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: was there like five minutes quarters whatever, there's a coaches 206 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: quarter and you just played to win the coaches quarter, right, 207 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: So there's two halves and you split time. I mean, 208 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: he just kicked my ass. It just he was better 209 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: than me. He was on a team. He was on 210 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: a team with Rashid Wallace. Uh. That high school team 211 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: was so good, so good, I mean, but I couldn't. 212 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: I like, I just I don't know, I don't, I 213 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: I don't remember. It's a lot about that camp, and 214 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: I'm like one of these I know, stupid like plays 215 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: the brand and all this other stuff. That ass weapon 216 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: is definitely embedded in my members. You can tell him 217 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: like godly remembers when you kicked his ass, and it 218 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: was it was one of it was it was one 219 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: of those God, I hope nobody was watching that one 220 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: because I was just not good. And and then you're 221 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: like you're almost shell shocked in your next game because 222 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: there's no real carryover because you know, you've got my 223 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: four chords going and nobody's paying attention. But for me emotionally, 224 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: it was like, God, I just let me just pass 225 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: the ball and not do something open and hopefully this 226 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: guy doesn't abuse me because like that last guy did, 227 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: but he kicked my ass. And so like the next year, 228 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: we were at Fairley Dickinson was where the camp was, 229 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: and I remember getting like getting ready for the Philly 230 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: team and I was like, did that guy graduate? Oh? 231 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: Thank god, thank god? It okay. So so you're at CAD. 232 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: Who who else did you have? Anyone in my high 233 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: school coach, My high school coach, really famous high school coach, 234 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: Bud Gardler, He coached Geen Orient, he coached gen Ori, 235 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 1: m Steve Dono, Phil Martelli was his JV coach in 236 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: the seventies. So this guy, like I saw coach Pettino 237 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: uh in the hallway. I own it. So how the 238 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: bubble went. Everybody had a room. So across from me 239 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: was Michigan State Diagonal was Oklahoma. Next to us was Iona. 240 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: So Patino I didn't see him. He came around and 241 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: he goes, you know exactly, but I'm standing outside like 242 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: waiting for are you know, the rest of our food 243 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: to come in, and Catino comes over and he gives 244 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: me a hug, and he's like Bug Gardler's looking down 245 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: and have like he he was so excited. And if 246 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: there's one thing that took me back was like how 247 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: many guys came up to me? Bill self, Mick Cronin, 248 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: Mark few guys that I've known for twenty years, guys 249 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: that have seen me work and it just you know, 250 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: grind it and you just finally get to the fountain 251 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: to drink a sip. They were excited for for the 252 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: probe our program, which I think I was kind of 253 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: like in shock about. He shouldn't be. I mean, I don't. 254 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: It's like you're one of those guys that no one 255 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: ever has a bad word to say about. So I don't. 256 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: It's not I do think that there's there's there's not enough, 257 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: Like I don't think the NABC does enough, especially for 258 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: you know, assistant coaches that lose their jobs. You know, 259 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: the head coaches get a buy out, the assistant coaches 260 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: you know, get a pink slip, right. Um. But but 261 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: I do think that there is a brotherhood in a camaraderie. 262 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,359 Speaker 1: It is a it's a tough pass job, right, And 263 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: and it's always interesting to me on how people in 264 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: my profession at times will say, well, don't always these 265 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: guys are millionaires and they don't care about the kids, 266 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: Like what are you talking about? Like, if you ever 267 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: you have any idea of what you've been doing this 268 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: for twenty years, you know you're not telling it financially 269 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: and by the way, it's all about the kids, because 270 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: if you can't get the kids to buy in you 271 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: and you got no you've got no chance to win. 272 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: It's it's crazy that the disconnect between the narrative of 273 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: what you do and the reality of what you do. 274 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: It's just you're one of the few that understands it. 275 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: And the disconnect is like people live and think we 276 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: live in and a look like the reality is I 277 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: got four kids, and like Seth Greenberg says it like 278 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't it's not what reality is. We don't become 279 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: filthy rich doing this. We don't, and we do it 280 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: because we actually love it. We actually like I have 281 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: a saying when I first started year is, look, I 282 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: don't know how many totals we're gonna win, but I'm 283 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: going to have two tables at your wedding because we're 284 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: gonna have a great relationship and you're we're going to 285 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: be a part of a neighborhood field and the amount 286 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: of people like think about this. During COVID we had 287 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: three and fifty and change Hartford fans and former players 288 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: drive or fly into Indianapolis, where you if you were 289 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: at the game, Like Dan O'Neill even said it in 290 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: one of our pieces, like you felt the energy of 291 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: that three in Opinia is like what hart Ford used 292 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: to get for a home game. Correct. And we had 293 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: that at an NCAA tournament game during COVID. And that's 294 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: why I think, you know, the neighborhood feel uh, you know, 295 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: we can really capitalize on it because and I said this, 296 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: like you can't has to be good. It helps our state, 297 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: it helps basketball fans get excited about basketball. We need 298 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: Danny that win. And you know what, he's gonna win. 299 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: He'll have that program in the top ten because he's relentless, 300 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: and he is relentless. But it has no effect on Hartford. 301 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: We could still do we could still do it. We're 302 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: we're basically we could both be good. Fox Sports Radio 303 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch 304 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot com 305 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: and within the I Heart Radio app search f s 306 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: R to listen live. So you decided to go to St. 307 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: Joe's yea, what do you meant? What was Phil Martelly 308 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: like to play? When you first get to you're a freshman, okay, 309 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: and you get there. What what was he like? Well, 310 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: the most shell shocking thing for me was the two 311 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: of days and when we had two a days back then, 312 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: and I'll never forget coming out of the locker room 313 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: the first time, or the coming into the locker room. 314 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: I just laid on the floor after the second to 315 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: a day, you know, going six hours, and I think 316 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: what what it made me realize is the amount of 317 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: effort you need to be even a I don't care 318 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: who you to be a Division one player. The effort 319 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: the I mean everybody didn't they play hard? Everything is 320 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: You're like, look I my high school coaches. He became 321 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: a great junior college coach, any Brown. He won a 322 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: couple of state championships, and he played like he gets it. 323 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: And but you think you work hard, then you get 324 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: to college. My first two days, Frans from mccafine was 325 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: an assistant. We're at Notre Dame and remember we're getting 326 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: ready for practice and they bring in these trash cans 327 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: into the showers. Yeah, like while you're trash getting the showers, 328 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: Like for the ice, what's the ice? Cool? Like, Bro, 329 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna need to get into ice bucket? Like what 330 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: do you mean? Just trust us, You're gonna have to 331 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: get in the ice pug. And so we get that 332 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: with practice, and the vets would get in there and 333 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: they'd hold their nuts and they step in there, you know, 334 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: and they get in, they get in, they stay in 335 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: for you know, ten fifteen minutes, and they'd hop out 336 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, I'm good, I'm fine. 337 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: It was just a practice. Then you come back that 338 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: night and you go again, and now you look at 339 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: the ice bug. Like the next one day morning you 340 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: wake up like, oh my god, I'm so sure I 341 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,239 Speaker 1: can't walk, you know, I got dude to cramp up, 342 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: and they can't. They gotta get an I v it. 343 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: It was a shocker for me. So that that level 344 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,239 Speaker 1: of effort do you need. And then the second thing 345 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: for him is his unconditional love for his players and 346 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: like he just he just he has your back at 347 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: all times. And you know, he the reason people really 348 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: love playing for him is he he has great empathy, 349 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: and he can himself in your shoes, and he can motivate, 350 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: and he's got a good plan and the plans detail 351 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: and it's staroh and he and he knows how to 352 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: fund the feeling. He gets that he can conjure up 353 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: to you for you to play for him. Okay, so 354 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: this is this is late nineties. Yep. Uh, Nova's got 355 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: a rolling not yet. Um yeah, no, no, no Nova 356 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: Nova that I always say this Nova if they don't 357 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: lose the old Dominion game. Yeah, Steve Lapis is still 358 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: the coach at Nova. Agree. Like I played against that team. Okay, 359 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: that team was loaded carry Kittles and Chuck Cornick and 360 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: they had they had played versus Shooter Lawson and they 361 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: had Alvin Williams. So we play him. I think I 362 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: told the story of the pop before we play him. 363 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: On January second, at the Pavilion and friends doing this scout, 364 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: He's like, look, here's we're gonna do. We're gonna Doug. 365 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: You're gonna you know, no splits. You're gonna help off 366 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: of al boy ball goes down to cornegating the post. 367 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: You dolt, buggers loss in you double Okay, Kittles gets 368 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: on the wing. You go and you're all automatic. You're 369 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: at the elbows and help and I'm like, cool, I 370 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: got it, Ebers gets it. Run over. There be an 371 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: extra body okay, basically like one man zone, like and 372 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: all of a sudden like Al boyeams like what what 373 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: what wap? And we get the first TV time out 374 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: and he's got eleven. I said, Franz, can we change 375 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: this ship up? This guy is about to give me eighty? 376 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: Okay He's like, you want to leave those guys that 377 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: I don't like. I don't want to give up eighty. Yeah, 378 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm garden. That team was really really good and they 379 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: had John Cellistan off the bench. He was the first 380 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: round pit was a stud point guard, really good rated 381 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: but nonetheless anyway, Um, but so they and then what 382 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: I guess after he after that they took a little 383 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: bit dip before they got to go it again. Yeah, 384 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: they took a little dip and then Steve coach Lappas 385 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: went to U Mass and then j came in. Okay, 386 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: so but but okay, so I'm lining up, You're at St. 387 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: Joe's Temple is rolling then okay, Penn is rolling rolling. Okay, Um, 388 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: don't recall anything else about La sal at that time. Well, 389 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: they lassal had Russel Butler and he was a one 390 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: man show at that time in college. Um, and then 391 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: there's Drexel, which we don't talk about right. People like 392 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,719 Speaker 1: pretend like it doesn't exist, like Goel justist like now 393 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: it's not in the it's in the City series, but 394 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: not the Big Five. Well, the one, the one thing 395 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: Drexel was being talked about when Malik Rose was there. 396 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: That's true. It's good. That's a good point. And I like, 397 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: I fell in love with Lasal back when they had 398 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: when Speedy was the coach and what was the little 399 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: point guard they got drafted by the Clippers. They had 400 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: Randy Woods. Randy Woods who bad pro but great college player, 401 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: great college player, great college player. Before my game, this 402 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: is really funny. I was texting back and forth with 403 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: Lionel Simmons the L Train l T and yeah, it 404 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: was my favorite college player. So I sent him a 405 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: message before, like the night before the game, just saying, hey, listen, 406 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: I'm I'm friends with him, So I said, I just 407 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: want you to know I'm here because of you. I 408 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: dreamt about He was my hero as a kid, and 409 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: I'm now I'm doing something that nobody ever thought we 410 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: could do it. Hard Ford and I go, but I 411 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: can think it back to my childhood. That night I 412 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: sent him a message. He sent me the nicest sent 413 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: me the nicest message back, like really really touching message 414 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: and the train. I mean, he was as good as 415 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: a college players. Know. He was a bucket, he was 416 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: a he was a b and look, I mean, look 417 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: here's the here's where the Philly thing like I was, 418 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: you know, thirty one years ago, Hen Gathers died, you know, 419 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: and I saw him. I saw him play a pickup 420 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: game at cal State Northbridge. The Pump Brothers. It was 421 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: like their first camp and they had like, hey, it's 422 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: like a sleepaway camp, and you know, and the Pump Brothers, 423 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: you know, they're such bullshit artists. I mean, I love them, 424 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: but but basically there was like twenty of us and 425 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: I was from like an hour and a half away, 426 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: so they put us up at the Colisy north Bridge 427 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: dorms even though the camp was like at Tamba Hall 428 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: High School anyway, So we go and watch the counselors 429 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: play at night and hand Gathers is playing. And I never, 430 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: even though it was in southern California, didn't know Hank 431 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: Gathers was because I saw him play a little bit 432 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: at USC, but not a lot and and bow at USC. 433 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: They're bad that here. Um. I remember walking away from 434 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: the gym going that's the most athletic big guy I've 435 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: ever seen in my life. Like he just ran and 436 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: jumped and he was faster, starker than everybody. And then 437 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: he died. And I was. I was at the game 438 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: when they beat New Mexico State and bow shot the 439 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: ball first three to left handed and made it. Yeah, 440 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: there's all kinds of like little Philly connection. Okay, so 441 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: you're so, how good were you guys at St. Joe's 442 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: when you were there? Well, we lost in a sweet 443 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: sixteen in Kentucky. We beat so we were the Atlantic 444 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: ten champion. Boston College was the Big East champion, and 445 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: we beat him in the second round. Uh dan ye Abrahms. 446 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: That was that BC team Scooney Pen and we beat 447 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: him in the second round in Salt Lake City. Um, 448 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: and then we advanced that to this sweet sixteen and 449 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: we lost to Ron Mercer Derek Anderson, uh runner up 450 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: for the national title. That was the year uh Kentucky lost. Okay, 451 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: that was when they lost the miles. Okay, I was. 452 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: I sat out there year, So that was that was 453 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: your freshman year. That was my fresh first year. Yeah, 454 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: what was that? Like I thought, this is easy. We'll 455 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: be back every year. Like I had zero idea on 456 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: how hard this is. Zero And you know it was 457 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: a grind and I've learned so much about it. But 458 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: I reflect on that team and the reality is, and 459 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: it stays true today is in March, if you can't defend, 460 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: you can't win. You have to be able to defend. 461 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: And these games are I don't care who it is, 462 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: these games are playing out that way. Yeah. I mean 463 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: we saw Iowa today. That was that that was not good. 464 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: And I'm look, I have friends, one of my guys. 465 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: The reality is even look if you look at the 466 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: LOYALA team yesterday with Illinois, they were the best defensive 467 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: team in like it was. What what they were able 468 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: to do was really remarkable. I was, and I like 469 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: Brad a lot. I was a little disappointed in terms 470 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: of the they didn't adjust. They just kind of did 471 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: what they do. Right when somebody's switching, I always thought, 472 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: was somebody switching, you got a backgut, you got a curl. 473 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: And on ball screens, you got a screen and re 474 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: screen right um and then and and as college basketball 475 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: has become when you come out these ball screens, a 476 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: lot of people just load up to the ball, like 477 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: you gotta skip that skip that ball didn't throw one 478 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: skip past the entire game. The other the other thing 479 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: is like we we I'm on these zooms with Quarter 480 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: and Steve Duneyo and David Patrick and Jeff van Gundee 481 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: and the Mahlecks and and all of us are on. 482 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: And Porter did a did a three hour segment on 483 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: the ice and the ball screens right, and I don't ice, 484 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: So I've really thought about it. We had these debates 485 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: about it, and when he said, like, in my mind, 486 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, man, he's not. He has a thing called 487 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: uh ice to the picked up dribblers, so you don't 488 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: leave until the balls sticked us, so like they wouldn't leave. 489 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,719 Speaker 1: And what happens is is if you can't put them 490 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: in rotations like a big Rick Mageri's line is, and 491 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: Porter says it all the time. The team that can 492 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: start the domino, that mean he'd start the chase and 493 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: he's gonna win. The team that can never get into 494 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: a domino, you're gonna you're gonna choke them out. And 495 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: Illinois just couldn't never start the domino. And that's a 496 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: like Porter and I'm not just he's such an elite 497 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: basketball coach, elite that his terminology and the way he 498 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: teaches it is on another level. And like, I'm sitting 499 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: here and I'm reviewing my notes, how do we get 500 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: to that next level? That's how hungry we are and 501 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: people are saying I should be enjoying it. I'm trying 502 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: to figure out next year on how we get better. 503 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: And that's the drive. That's the that's the drive you have. 504 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:32,719 Speaker 1: So you get them planned, right, and this is two thousand, yep, right, 505 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: you get done two So two thousand again, Temple is 506 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: really good. I know they were supposed to play us 507 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: in the tournament. How good were you guys your senior year? Uh? 508 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: At least saying that the year not very good? We 509 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: we were we were a year away from Jamir showing up. 510 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: Did you guys know? Did people know like how good 511 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: that crew us? Jamir? I don't think so. I mean 512 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: when Jamir came, I was gone. I was I became 513 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: in a sent a la sou u. But he I 514 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: mean his the first day he got the st. Joe's, 515 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: they knew, they knew, So okay, so you get done. 516 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: What what was the decision, like to to decide you 517 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: want to become a coach. I knew right away that's 518 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. I had no interest in 519 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: going into so did so did but but filled in 520 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: offer your spot like wanted me to wait. He wanted 521 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: me to wait, and Speedy offered me a job. So 522 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: I had no choice. I was a third assistant in 523 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: the Atlantic ten at twenty two? What are you gonna do? Um? Well, 524 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: it's now I've been to La South. That's a tough 525 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: job to recruit to, right. That's there's not much facility 526 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: the campus. In comparison to the other other Philly schools, 527 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: those campuses are outstanding. It's not like it's a terrible campus. 528 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: But it's not. It's not comfortable to the Nova's. It's 529 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: not penned obviously, I mean Temple obviously, Like good luck 530 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: not getting shot. But what was so or twenty two? 531 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: How did you learn how to do the deal? Well? 532 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: Like guys took me under their wing. I mean I 533 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: said this the other day, like Fran Dumpy and Steve Doney, 534 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: you and Speedy don't know all all these guys really 535 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: just they they they they made me. I didn't I 536 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: didn't get here because of myself. They sort of schooled 537 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: me on how filled up your basketball works. And Phil 538 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: Martelli has a great line. I think it's really true. 539 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: You could talk bad about people in Philly if you're 540 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: from Philly. But if you talk bad if someone from 541 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: Philly talks bad to you about them, yeah you don't 542 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: like that. And that's filled up your basketball. Like if 543 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: you want to if somebody from Philly wants to say 544 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: something bad about me, that's fine. But if you leave 545 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: the city and somebody says something bad about you, you 546 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: protect him. And that is true true on Philly basketball, 547 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: no one takes a shot at a guy that is 548 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: in his city. They protect each other. It is a brotherhood. 549 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: And it's crazy. But like you might have a problem 550 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: with somebody, but you never talked about it with somebody 551 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: outside the city. All right, So you're at at at 552 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: at the South we were my we started seven and 553 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: oh one year and Donny Carr, who's the best player 554 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: on our team, goes down and he and the thing 555 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: I learned there, and this is really important, is like 556 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: the administration didn't want speedy around anymore. This is twenty 557 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: years ago, and if they don't want you around, they 558 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: could figure they could figure a way to make enough 559 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: roadblocks for you, and and look it wasn't. It's like 560 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: at that time these jobs became about infrastructure. And you know, 561 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: I would sitting in an AU game once and Kelvin 562 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: Sampson had a great line about five years ago to me. 563 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: He said, John, good coaches can make good teams, but 564 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: administrators win championships. They determined if you we win championships. 565 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: And he meant like they if they support you and 566 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: give you infrastructure, that if they put up roadblocks, you 567 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: end up spending a lot of time on non basketball things. 568 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: And I thought, speedy the last two years we did that. 569 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: Who is it? Laffyette? When you went there, Brando Handlon 570 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: still there? The being is the best mass offensive basketball 571 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: mind I've ever been around? What what about him? What? What? 572 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: What about him makes him such a good offensive coach? 573 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: So if like Porter, if you if they did with 574 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: him then yesterday, he would have never set a ball 575 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: screen the whole game. He would have never set a 576 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: ball screen the whole game. He would have ran a 577 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: guy up and slipped him to the other I don't 578 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: care how big he was, he would have he would 579 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: have created aided a gap that would have been so big. 580 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: He was a big guy on if they're gonna do 581 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: something creative with just don't set it and sprint through 582 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: and get space. And when when you overthink it like 583 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: he he was twenty years ago, he was doing dribble, handoff, 584 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: throwback drive. It his offensive mind even to today is fascinating. 585 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: Come out of a time out and a team plays owner, man, 586 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: he would have a play that worked against zone and man, 587 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, run it. He was. He was a 588 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: very deep thinker. Um, this is this is away from 589 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: the carnologic order. I like to do. But have you 590 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: been in a situation like Brad was in where because 591 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure they came in and look, you only have 592 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: a data prep And I actually think it's harder to 593 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: be the one seed in that case, not just because 594 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: you know you're Illinois and you're looking at loyal is chic. 595 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: I don't care they went pot of four. Those dudes 596 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: are like, we just kicked everybody's asking the big ten, 597 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, like they're they're still kids, ye, but you 598 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: don't know who you're pepping for. So he just to 599 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: assistants taking all the tape right, and then you watch 600 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: him play, We're like, all right, we got a little 601 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: You know, you've got one day to prepare for a 602 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: great coach and a program is toy locked and they 603 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: know who they are. That's hard to do. But have 604 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: you ever been one of those situations where like it 605 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: just felt like he got away from him and he 606 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: tried a couple of things I don't And again I 607 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: want to make sure this is really really clear. Look, 608 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: he's a very good coach. He should have got the 609 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: Case State job, but he's assistant there. He takes the 610 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: Stephen F. Auston job they win, takes the OAKO and 611 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: State job they win, takes the Illinois job, they win. 612 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: The dude can coach, but really, anybody has everybody anybody's 613 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: ever coached. You have a day where it gets away 614 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: from me, and it gets away from you're really really quick. Okay, 615 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: So first a series of question. Have you had a 616 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: game like that where the plan you thought you had 617 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: for what you knew the other team was gonna do 618 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: just wasn't working. We had one of those. Yeah, third 619 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 1: year here UNBC, first round, they they weren't very good. 620 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: We were really good. It was we were seventeen and 621 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: twelve at the time, and that's really good for Hartford, 622 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: and uh, we came out. We lost in the first round. 623 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: I could still tell you, all right, so what they 624 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: do what they do the screw up. They switched uh 625 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: one through four and the five man just dropped and 626 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: uh that was kind of like we saw yesterday. Yeah, 627 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: and what happens is you end up we're up? We 628 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: actually it was different. We were up in the game 629 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: and um we got tight. Was it was it Pool's Gold? 630 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: Were you up? Because sometimes you can throw a couple 631 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: in and you're like, you know, we all right anyway, 632 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: but really they weren't. Weren't the best shots, and so 633 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: sometimes you're winning but you're not. You kind of in 634 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: your back of your mindy like this might not work 635 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: long term. I mean when you're it was it was 636 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: it screwing up the whole game? Were you chasing it 637 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 1: and trying to figure it out? We're chasing lineups? What 638 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: we're trying to do? We were chasing lineups. Moved too 639 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: many guys and you know, we should have just it 640 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: was should have been an easier game than it was. 641 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: And I oversimplified it. And here's one way that I think, 642 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: like the reality is Brad in that game. I don't 643 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: think Porter's offense is getting enough credit, Like like people 644 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 1: are talking about the defense. The offense controlled the game 645 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 1: from the pick and roll, the handoffs, the ring. I 646 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: mean they and crut Wig you run into a team 647 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: and it's nothing to do with Brad. I'm just telling 648 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: you that's a hundred games that kids played for Porter Moser. 649 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: When that kid catches it at the elbow, literally, Porter 650 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: Moser's in his mind. So it's it's just different. I mean, Porter, 651 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 1: Porter can really that they could win it all this year. 652 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: They really could. I actually believe you're I believe you're right. 653 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think they could beat Gonzaga. But 654 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: it's not crazy. Just so here's here's my thing, and 655 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go through this with you get the reason 656 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 1: they can beat Gonzaga. And I love feeling and feel 657 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: he checks in on me when I was down and out, 658 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: Fewey was checking in on me, Like why is he 659 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: checking on the Hartford guy? Because he's a good person, 660 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: he's an amazing guy. He's he's texting me the Whalers win. 661 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: The Whalers win. I mean he loves checking in on 662 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: guys that he's just a coach. Is coach Fey The 663 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: only reason, and I'm not saying it is because I 664 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: do think Anzaga wins it, but I think Porter has 665 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: a shot because they resemble the really good St. Mary's teams. 666 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: But they're they're they're they they don't they're the slowest 667 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: pace in the country. They're not gonna leck Anzaga beat 668 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: him by twenty. No one's beating him by twenty. Now 669 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: the flip side of it is Porter is not gonna 670 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: beat you by twenty in a game. In these games, 671 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: like the final score yesterday was it felt bigger. That's 672 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Well, okay, let's let's let's let's let's 673 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: have the coaching discussion since it's obviously we neither of 674 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: us give a ship. Okay, so here's the deal. So 675 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: Brad's deal, and he's vastly on this because when he 676 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: got to Oklahoma State, you know, he played like he 677 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: did at at at stephen Afore. They were up a 678 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: way up the line, way way way up the line, 679 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: and you know, just and and completely over pressuring you, 680 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: and they got into the big twelve and that ship 681 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: didn't work all right. Everybody just spread them out and 682 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: get angles and you know, find the weak link and 683 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: drive the wake link, and they got anything they want. 684 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: And so he actually changed mid season, turning some pack line. 685 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: And then you go back to last year at Illinois, 686 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: he went from way up the line too. It wasn't 687 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 1: necessary pack line, but he was a little bit more 688 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: help oriented this year because they had the big fellow. 689 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: They left him and he just sank right, just one man, 690 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: and then everything else they didn't really help. They didn't 691 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: really help. They just pressured and got India and they 692 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: didn't really help. And you're you're right they I haven't 693 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 1: heard anybody say, hey port Moser, look what they're doing 694 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: with handoffs. Look how they're using Kurt Wig. And they 695 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: basically put poor Kofe Coburn in two on ones right 696 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,919 Speaker 1: where he's backpedaling, and he got Kurt wag one side 697 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 1: or in ISOs and even like, even if he misses, 698 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter because the big kid can't foul 699 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: and he's trying to block shots and you get offensive 700 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: rebounds and plip backs. So I guess the first thing is, 701 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: like I do wonder some coaches have this, this is 702 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 1: who we are. These are our rules, and this is 703 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: how we play. But what about when it's clearly not 704 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: working and the other guy knows what you're doing and 705 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: has kind of the answers to what you're doing. You 706 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: have two options. The big kid code. He's got to 707 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: come out and guard the elbow harder. Okay, And the 708 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: reality is Brad knows his person know better than me. 709 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm not debating that. What all I'm saying is Brad 710 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: is like what Brad has done in his time in Illinois. 711 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: I flew with back Brad down to San Antonio when 712 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: Porter was playing, uh you know, when Loyal was in 713 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: the sand final four. We had a two hour conversation. 714 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,240 Speaker 1: He's an elite coach. What happens, what happens in that time, 715 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: just saying Porter's team is so connected and so like 716 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: they that's a those two guys for form for Porter, 717 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: Kruttwig and the defender Williamson. Yeah, I mean they played 718 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: a hundred college games together. Would you have gone I 719 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: wonder would you have gone? Small? Like he does have 720 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: the personnel, he hasn't done it, and he did at 721 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: the end of the game, but it's too late. Like 722 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: I just this is a little bit like I had 723 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: a conversation after they lost UNBC, and his thing was, 724 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: you of like, I mean, I lost my best player, 725 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: and I said, you have but Tony, like you knew 726 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 1: you were gonna win thirty games that team. I want 727 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: to take a look girl in the season at what's 728 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: it looked like we don't have him? What's looked like 729 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 1: we go small? What's it look like? You know, like, 730 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: play a little, play a little left handed. Okay, maybe 731 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: you lose the game in December, you shouldn't lose, but 732 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: then you win one in March in that game, though, 733 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: how hard is that when you've done something and you've 734 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: been successful, but it's been incredibly successful, and your thirty 735 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 1: games into a season and now all of a sudden, 736 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: all the stuff you've done and worked on that ship 737 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: ain't working. Like how hard is that to go like, 738 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: let's go small and do it in the first half 739 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: when you feel like you might have a problem that 740 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: that you have to solve the second half and you 741 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 1: can't really go take a look out in the second 742 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: half when you're down ten points. It's really hard because 743 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 1: the big kid was so Chruig. If you do that 744 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 1: the Porter has a package where he just puts the 745 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: kid on the block and then he's just going to 746 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,320 Speaker 1: go to work on those kids. And yeah, I know 747 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,320 Speaker 1: it's you've got to try everything. But I think I 748 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: think you just end up like at some point you 749 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: have to tip your hat and just say, you know what. 750 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 1: I know as a coach, you can't at the game 751 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: that you got me, right, you got me? Yeah, I 752 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,280 Speaker 1: mean like Porters at the point now in his career 753 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: where he's got it so dialed in with his culture 754 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: and his program. It is Rick Majeri's and it's it's 755 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: it has so many qualities of a mageris like and 756 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 1: now it's Porter's like way. But like Porter and I've 757 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: talked about it and this, like the little sayings that 758 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: Porter has are just fascinating and I steal a lot 759 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: of it. Why w yeah parts of Domino. Why did 760 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: you leave and go to Harvard as a system because 761 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: Dan Lee Wits was one of my best friends still 762 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,399 Speaker 1: is and he said, come on up, let's go try 763 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,320 Speaker 1: to build this together. And in our second year we 764 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: got to the finals and I was just I was 765 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: really excited about being up here in Artford. I was 766 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: here two years and then Penn called to be assistant 767 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,800 Speaker 1: at Penn and I had to go back home. And 768 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,399 Speaker 1: it just worked out that after two years of Pen, 769 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,840 Speaker 1: this job opened and I went with Steve Donne for 770 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: fourteen days, the BC for fourteen and uh, then this 771 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,839 Speaker 1: job opened and I took it and I've been here 772 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 1: ever since. How did you get the job? You know what? 773 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,760 Speaker 1: They called me and they said, look, you ran the offense. 774 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,360 Speaker 1: We want to talk to you about both sides of 775 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,439 Speaker 1: the ball. I'll never forget. I called Dan. I said, Danny, 776 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: you okay with this? He said sure, and we're still 777 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 1: really close. I mean it was and I thanked him. 778 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: The first person I thanked on ESPN was Dan Leebowitz 779 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: after the game, and I, you know, it just came 780 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: out of me. And Dan is a part of this program. 781 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: A lot of dance philosophies are a part of this 782 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: And the turnover thing is so big in our program. 783 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: It's so big with Dan. Um that turnover margin is 784 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: it gives you chances to win when you don't play well. Um, 785 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 1: how did you? How did you make it happen? Like? 786 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 1: How do you you get to a place and look, 787 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,919 Speaker 1: Dan regentally left was he didn't feel like he had 788 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: the backing of the administration. He didn't feel like there 789 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: was a light at the end of that tunnel. And 790 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 1: he's a pretty positive dude, right and so, so, how 791 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 1: did you go about building it? Now it's your first 792 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: you've never the head coach before, so but you've been 793 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,800 Speaker 1: a part of these other programs. How did you go 794 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: about building it? Became My first two years just you 795 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 1: think you know, but you don't. You get scarred up. 796 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: And I got scarred up pretty good. And then your 797 00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: third and fourth year, we have to give me one. 798 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: Give me one example. My first team should have won 799 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,400 Speaker 1: more games. If you look at the first we we 800 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: lost games at the Bosser we I was. I was 801 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 1: a I was just an okay, a d O coach. 802 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: I think I'm you look at the numbers were pretty 803 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: good at it. At a time outch you have to 804 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 1: be a good out of time out coach. Would be 805 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: a good college coach, not not be good okay. And 806 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: it goes for both sides of the ball, like are 807 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: you gonna how are you gonna? You can't allow someone 808 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 1: to come out of a time out and score on you. 809 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: If you see somebody scoring on side of the time out. 810 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,320 Speaker 1: I get I get violently mad at myself. Do you 811 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: change defenses? Yes, beat me somehow, speak, do something else 812 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 1: other than what you drew up. It's something else, It's 813 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,279 Speaker 1: really it's it's uh. I don't know if you know 814 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 1: this story. I told the story I think with Ryan 815 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: Odin was on the pod two weeks ago and Frannie 816 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,479 Speaker 1: told Brand McCaffrey told me the story. He said, he said, 817 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,240 Speaker 1: he's playing for cal Tacy Wing Forest. They're playing against 818 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: lefty Grizelle Maryland. Four seconds ago in the game and 819 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: they got the ball underneath throwing bucket down one chances schools. 820 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: They call it time out. They come over and Tasty's 821 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: and assistance and uh and Dave Oden was one of 822 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 1: the assistance and they're like arguing over what to run 823 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: the run out of time. First buzzer sounds. He comes over. 824 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: He's like, Brandy put him in something. He's pushing point card, 825 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: so he like gathers him up. They're like, all right, 826 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: we're running two right. So they get there and they 827 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 1: they line up and left Giuseelle looks at their alignment 828 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 1: calls time out right because he wanted to see what 829 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: they're running so he could set up his defense to him. 830 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,759 Speaker 1: And he's like, that was the moment that I knew 831 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: I should coach. Where he got one great coach who 832 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: can't even figure out what he wants to run and 833 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,800 Speaker 1: the other guy is trying to wait to see what 834 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 1: he wants to run and then calls another time to 835 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: give the other guy a chance to dress something up. 836 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: I gotta give it. In this business, it's amazing. So 837 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 1: but but but but it is. It's it's fasting on 838 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 1: how games are one and lost a couple of possessions 839 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,280 Speaker 1: here there, and yet for a long time there wasn't 840 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: I don't think nearly as much attention to detail on those, 841 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,359 Speaker 1: you know, like it's no different than football with red 842 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,960 Speaker 1: zone and soccer was set pieces like with basketball, like 843 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 1: those are you can either score ten points a game 844 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 1: or zero, and that's the difference in winning and losing. 845 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: Like the special situations are so paramount and we work 846 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,479 Speaker 1: on them every day. It's like we called special teams 847 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,600 Speaker 1: where it's based on out of bounds, sideline, out of bounds, 848 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,359 Speaker 1: whatever it is, and do you do end up game, 849 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: end of game, end of clock. It feels like it 850 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 1: feels like That's one thing though this tournament has exposed 851 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,399 Speaker 1: a little bit is there's a lot of and I'm 852 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 1: not a big fan of the call in the time 853 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 1: out to go and run an ice so or a 854 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,800 Speaker 1: high ball screen. Liked you you could have done that 855 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: in front of your own bench. But there are lots 856 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,959 Speaker 1: of times where guys come down and it doesn't feel 857 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 1: like there's automatics for a lot of these teams that 858 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 1: are and they're really good coaches. It is do you 859 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 1: notice that or do you feel like, like, here's what 860 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 1: I noticed about Bill Nova. I don't know if when 861 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 1: when Jay wanted with his last set with the pitch 862 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,279 Speaker 1: back to Christie, I went back and looked, and I 863 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,880 Speaker 1: think they ran that thing like thirteen times during the season, 864 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,719 Speaker 1: and he played forty games and he that user or 865 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 1: lose it time out. He would always call and they 866 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: would if they had ten or less. They that's what 867 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 1: they were running. They ran the Big East Tournament and 868 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: guy and I think Archie Jack no fell down. But 869 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,680 Speaker 1: the idea is like they had a plan and they 870 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,880 Speaker 1: had tried that plan in games, whereas other guys, I 871 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,320 Speaker 1: think they get caught up in the game and in 872 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: the moment and they don't have a have a plan. 873 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,799 Speaker 1: Is so so your special situations? Do you run them 874 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: all the time? You say, he hold him in your 875 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: back pocket? How do you choose when you're gonna do 876 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 1: it and and how you're gonna Well, I I think 877 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: you have to work on them all the time. I 878 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 1: think it's sort of a feeling when you use them. 879 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,320 Speaker 1: But like what we stole from the NBA or you know, 880 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,680 Speaker 1: I think NBA guys are just so great at it. 881 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 1: They have five or six things that they know they're 882 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,440 Speaker 1: going to no matter what in this spot. And the 883 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,279 Speaker 1: NBA is so lead at it. And uh, you know, 884 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: like all right, who are we going? If you need 885 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: one five manage to get a basket? Four man, three man, 886 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,520 Speaker 1: two man, you have to have that and it's got 887 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,920 Speaker 1: to be second nature to your team. It cannot be 888 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,839 Speaker 1: any thought. They have to know exactly what you're doing. 889 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 1: And that's that's something I think in the n B 890 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 1: a uh. And And I do think like Steve donne 891 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: U's offensive mind, he has that down and who he 892 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 1: wants to get the ball to in a spot in 893 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: a situation. Um, I think I think really uh is 894 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 1: an advantage who's the who's the best coach that you 895 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 1: have met that you mentioned that you coach against. Maybe 896 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,080 Speaker 1: in your league, You're like, this guy is really really 897 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,480 Speaker 1: good in our league. Still harring. I mean Bill Harron 898 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,840 Speaker 1: in New Hampshire is just so good, so hard to 899 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,839 Speaker 1: play against. Uh. Pat Touquette at Umsslow, They're good, he's 900 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,239 Speaker 1: he had he has the number one offense to last 901 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:05,600 Speaker 1: three years. Really really good ball coach. And uh, you 902 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,279 Speaker 1: know in our league, it's such a well coached league. 903 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 1: Uh you know Gino FOURD does a great job at 904 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,839 Speaker 1: stony Brook. Uh, It's it's it's a hard, hard, hard league. 905 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,800 Speaker 1: That's why the back to backs this year brought a 906 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:23,319 Speaker 1: different dimension then I've never seen before because you're playing 907 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,360 Speaker 1: the same team with the same referees in forty eight hours. 908 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,319 Speaker 1: It's it's it gets heated that last that second day, 909 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:36,320 Speaker 1: no question bredes that contact alright, last last thing in 910 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 1: five years? What John Gallagher doing head coach of the 911 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,719 Speaker 1: University of Hartford in the neighborhood, selling the place out, 912 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,880 Speaker 1: hopefully multiple championships and the goals here to be a 913 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: long time. I'm not chasing anything. I'm not that I'm 914 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,040 Speaker 1: not that smart. You know what I'm saying. I love 915 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,200 Speaker 1: it here too much. All Right, you're the best. I 916 00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 1: appreciate you. And let's talk more this term because I'm 917 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,279 Speaker 1: learning more from listening to you about the tournament than 918 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,319 Speaker 1: I am watching myself. I appreciate Let's let's text each 919 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 1: other because I'd love to stay on with you. All Right, 920 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,560 Speaker 1: we'll do it, and if Porter gets to the final four, 921 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 1: we'll do a whole preview. Okay, alright, well let's do 922 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,359 Speaker 1: a whole preview of the of the Sweet six team 923 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,759 Speaker 1: match up. Anyway, let's do all right, all right, I 924 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 1: love it, see all right, thanks so much, John. That 925 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:26,160 Speaker 1: was amazing, simply amazing. You laughed, you cried, you chuckled, 926 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,960 Speaker 1: you learned. It's great. If you like the pod, and 927 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,680 Speaker 1: I hope you do, download, subscribe, rate writer review, that's good. 928 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,600 Speaker 1: And if you like my style and what I do, 929 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,440 Speaker 1: that's cool. The Doug Gotland Shows daily three to six 930 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 1: Eastern twelve to three Pacific on Fox Sports Radio or 931 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,840 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio Apple you can down. You can 932 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,040 Speaker 1: also download the podcast wherever you download podcast. It's it's 933 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,239 Speaker 1: really that easy. In the meantime, thank you so much 934 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,439 Speaker 1: for listening. And I'm Doug gott leaving. This is all ball.