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Speaker 3: That's really helpful tip. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: go to that comparison place that I know so many

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00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: of us can go to, especially in the social media age,

445
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: but was just watching had way more time to pay

446
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: attention to what my peers were doing and how their

447
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: careers were growing, and how their personal lives were unfolding.

448
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: And this thing that I had created space for me

449
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: to do, which was to leave my company and figure

450
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: out what was next, kind of became this torturous period

451
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: of getting stuck in comparison and feeling kind of purposeless

452
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 1: and isolated, and I realized that there was an opportunity

453
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: for me to start to lean more into what I

454
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: felt like I needed in that moment, right was to

455
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 1: have a sense of community and a space to actually

456
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: slow down, go inwards talk about this stuff with other

457
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: people that I.

458
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 4: I was yearning for that for myself.

459
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Speaker 1: So I started to look at how I could create

460
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Speaker 1: that for myself and others, and.

461
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 4: I wound up. It took me a while to do it.

462
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: I was I was came up with all sorts of

463
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: reasons as to why I wasn't qualified to start hosting

464
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: group meditations, but an amazing teacher of mine named Emily

465
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: Fletcher really encouraged me to do it. So I hosted

466
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Speaker 1: a group meditation twenty of my peers, mostly from the

467
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: music industry and like the fashion space and you know

468
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: the places I was kind of partying in New York City.

469
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Speaker 1: It's a group of people that I wasn't used to

470
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: coming together to meditate with. But about twenty of us

471
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: came together my buddy's apartment in Manhattan, and the idea

472
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: was for us to sit in quiet together. I wasn't

473
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Speaker 1: teaching meditation at that time in my life. I was

474
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: just practicing it. So the idea was, if you have

475
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: a meditation practice come through, we'll close our eyes together

476
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: for twenty minutes, and then afterwards we'll just talk about

477
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: what's going on in our lives. So we hosted that

478
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Speaker 1: first what we would call medi club up over five

479
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: years ago at this point, and it was really uncomfortable.

480
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Speaker 4: The whole way through.

481
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: I was hoping that it was going to get canceled

482
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: because I felt so unqualified to be doing something like that.

483
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: But we wound up getting together, we meditated, and then

484
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: after we you know, once we opened our eyes, I

485
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: started to share a little bit about what I just

486
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 1: shared with you, some of the discomfort I was experiencing

487
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: in my own life, and then asked the group, you know,

488
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: what's going on for all you? And it wasn't you know,

489
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm a therapist, I'm gonna tell you what to do.

490
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: And it wasn't you know, I'm the meditation teacher and

491
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: here's your life advice. It was more just, hey, we're

492
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: a group of young people going through life. But's slow

493
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: down and then let's talk about what's happening. And other

494
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: people started to chime in and we just realized in

495
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: a short period of time that we're pretty much all

496
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: going through the same stuff in our own unique ways,

497
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 1: but not talking about it. And it was it was

498
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: so validating to be in the space and also so

499
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 1: helpful to know that we were in it together. It

500
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 1: really I really felt this sense of belonging that I

501
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: hadn't felt in New York City or even as a person,

502
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: as a young person. So it was it was a

503
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: really cool moment and I got this sort of lightning

504
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: bolt that hit me. It said, this is this is

505
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: going to be a big part of what I meant

506
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: to do in this next chapter.

507
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 4: Of my life.

508
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: I've been to Medi Club. Now I feel like I

509
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: need to like announce this to the earthlings. So I

510
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: have been to Medi Club. We met outside of Medi

511
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 2: Club originally, and when you told me that this is

512
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: this thing that you made and you started, and I

513
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: was so intrigued by it. And I think it's exactly

514
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: because of what you're describing, is that so rarely, especially

515
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: as adults, do I feel as though we have an

516
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: opportunity to open up in a space that feels truly safe.

517
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: And so this experience and this gathering that you start

518
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 2: to find yourself investing your time in and cultivating, I

519
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: would say that that is one hundred percent part of

520
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: what makes it so valuable and so special outside of

521
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: just the meditation, And is that what you're hearing from

522
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: the people that are coming to the early days of

523
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: med club.

524
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool that you reflect on that, because what

525
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: I noticed within the first few months of Mediclub happening

526
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: we're doing it every month, was that people were coming

527
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: because of meditation. Meditation was starting to become this popularized

528
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: thing where people were understanding that there was great benefit

529
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: around it and they were interested, so they were coming

530
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: for the meditation. But I think the thing that was

531
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: really bringing people back and allowing the community to grow,

532
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: and it grew very fast, was that we were making

533
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: space for these conversations. We were making the space to

534
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: be human together, and that really became the glue of it.

535
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: And I also think that that's the really critical piece

536
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: to I'd say the glue of any community is how

537
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: is space being created for people to just show up

538
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: as themselves and contribute in some way to the group experience.

539
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: And in this way, it was happening through the conversations

540
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: we were having. Well, it was also happening through the

541
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: silence that we would share in meditation there's an element

542
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: of contribution to that, but everyone sharing, or for those

543
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: that were comfortable sharing, it felt like we were a

544
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: part of this experience together. And I've grown to, you know,

545
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: as I've focused more on community building work over the years,

546
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: I've grown to really look at a community gathering versus

547
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: just an event. A community gathering, i believe, is when

548
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: the participants, the community members are able to participate, are

549
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: able to contribute to the experience in some way, as

550
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: opposed to maybe something like a concert or a more

551
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: traditional event where it's more one way, right, watching someone

552
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: talk or watching a panel or watching a band, and

553
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: you're sort of pulling from the experience and enjoying it

554
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: but not contributing to it. By the way, nothing wrong

555
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: with that, but two very different experiences. So those conversations

556
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: were really valuable ways for people to feel like they

557
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: were contributing in someone to feel like they were of

558
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: use to the collective group.

559
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: So when do you start to kind of think about

560
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: taking a medi club to the next level, Because at

561
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: this point you're still unemployed, is that right?

562
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I was.

563
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: I was still unemployed and I had maybe, like I

564
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: don't know, six eight months or so of savings that

565
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: I was able to live off of at the time,

566
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: so I was able to just kind of give myself

567
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: to this, not for very long, but enough to be

568
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: able to do that, which is pretty cool and rare.

569
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was.

570
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: In this interesting situation where I was, you know, there

571
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: there were cool job opportunities that were starting to present

572
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: themselves or had been presenting themselves in the music industry,

573
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: which I was incredibly grateful for, but just wasn't feeling

574
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: like that was my work anymore. And it was so

575
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: bizarre to be turning just you know, to be saying

576
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: no to opportunities in this other industry because I felt

577
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: called to something else. It was very hard to articulate.

578
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: I remember talking about it with my parents and then

579
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: being like, you know, we're getting a little concerned. You're

580
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: turning down job opportunities, You're running out of your savings.

581
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 4: What are you doing?

582
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: And I remember telling them, you know, I really want

583
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: to make sense of why I'm here and make sense

584
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: of my purpose and give myself to that. I actually

585
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: wound up leading to a really cool conversation that I

586
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: had with my parents about purpose, something we had never

587
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: talked about before as a family. But it was scary,

588
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: but I had this compass that was it was sort

589
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: of just guiding me towards what felt right in my gut.

590
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: And I really do attribute my meditation practice to me

591
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: being able to follow that and to have the courage

592
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: to go with it. And by the way, it wasn't

593
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: just like I was fearlessly, you know, blindly following this

594
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: path into you know, creating a meditation movement. I was

595
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: very much freaked out and uh get worried about what

596
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: was going to happen. Yeah, but leaned into it and

597
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: gave myself the permission to just figure it out and

598
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: go with it, and knew that I would be able

599
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: to to uh or thought I would be able to,

600
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, join another job or move back into the

601
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: music industry if it came down to it financially, if

602
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: I needed to. So I kept doing it, and then

603
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: about six months into Medi Club happening, we started the

604
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: Big Quiet there was it was an opportunity to create

605
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: the experience that we were having at Medi Club with

606
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: a couple hundred people and to share it with thousands

607
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: of people at large. And the first big Quiet happened

608
00:32:58,840 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: about five years ago.

609
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 3: Where was the first bag Quiet.

610
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Speaker 1: It was at summer Stage Central Park, which is this

611
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: incredible venue right in the in the center of the

612
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: city at one of the greatest parks in the world.

613
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: And I was on like an arts committee at Summer

614
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: Stage Central Park because of my time in the music industry,

615
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: So I pitched the board on the medi club community

616
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: at the time as a few hundred people creating a

617
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: mass meditation together and inviting anyone in New York with

618
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: fib boroughs to come be a part of it and

619
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: to make it a free event. And you know, summer

620
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: Stage Central Park and the City Parks Foundation went forward.

621
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: It was the first time they had officially backed something

622
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: like a mass meditation, so they gave us the venue

623
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: and several I think maybe thirty or forty employee like

624
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: staffers to you know, make create this special moment. It

625
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: was and it was really exciting. So that came to

626
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: life and sharing that experience at a larger scale felt

627
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: really good. We had some awesome bands performed when people

628
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: open their eyes from the meditation, there was DJs and

629
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: great food. It was kind of like a blend of

630
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: what I loved about the music industry, but with the

631
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: things that I felt were missing from it happening at

632
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: this legendary venue, and and.

633
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 3: You were leading this meditation.

634
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

635
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: And by that point, by that point I was starting

636
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: to lead the meditations. I was working with a teacher

637
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: who was supporting me to do that. I wasn't teaching meditation,

638
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: but I was guiding the group meditation, and that also

639
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: felt really scary but also really exciting. I was working

640
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: with and actually still work with, this person whose name

641
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: is Johnny Pollard. It's one of the first people to

642
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: do mass meditations. He was leading them in Australia where

643
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: he's based. So we had some experience around this thing

644
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: that not a lot of people have experienced. So it

645
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: was exciting because it was new, but it was also

646
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: scary because it was new, and.

647
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 4: It felt really great to be able to do it.

648
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: And we continued. So we continued to do the Big Quiet.

649
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: We were starting to get invites to host big quiets

650
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: at different venues. At that time, it was all free

651
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: for the most part, or we were doing it was

652
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: donation based. But I realized within that first year that

653
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: there was there was a real need for what we

654
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: were doing, Like we were serving a need that was

655
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: helping people to come together in this way, and that

656
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't going to be sustainable to continue to serve

657
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: that need if I wasn't charging for this work, right

658
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: and that if and if I was only relying on volunteers,

659
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: which I was incredibly grateful to have. But there's just

660
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, the difference between working with volunteers and having

661
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: a paid staff is great. You know, there's there's there's

662
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: real accountability that starts to occur.

663
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 4: So I made the.

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Speaker 1: Decision to phase the company into a for profit, to

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Speaker 1: make it a company, and to phase it into a

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Speaker 1: for profit business, and to start charging for our events,

667
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: and to find payment scales and ways to still include

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00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: people who couldn't afford the ticket price that would allow

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Speaker 1: us to operate and make it a business. And that

670
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: was also really scary and uncomfortable period, was how to

671
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: go into naming and pricing this thing. But what we

672
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: saw was that once we named a price for our events,

673
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: medi Club and the Big Quiet, that it actually increased

674
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: the value that people, I think, took it more seriously,

675
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: and then it allowed me to bring a small paid

676
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,479
Speaker 1: staff together to start to take it to the next level.

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Speaker 2: I love what you said before, and I guess I'll

678
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: refer to it a little bit as imposter syndrome, just

679
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: that idea of being scared to be the person that

680
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: stands up, whether it's in the small group inside of

681
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: the first few medi clubs or of course on that

682
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 2: summer stage in front of a much larger group of people,

683
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: and asking yourself like, why am the I the person

684
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: that's here to do these things? And I can totally

685
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: relate on so many different levels, but one that I

686
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: think is a funny example to bring to this is

687
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: once I started to lead my recent hurdle sessions and

688
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: market these events, some of them I have concepted that

689
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: I haven't released yet. Definitely have to do a lot

690
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 2: with self work and building confidence and a lot of

691
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: personal development things. And on that note, I started to

692
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: ask myself like, why am I the person that gets

693
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: to talk to you about building confidence? And I started

694
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: looking into coaching and life coaching and who I should

695
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: be speaking with and et cetera, et cetera. And I

696
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: was talking to my father about this and my dad goes, well,

697
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: why do you feel as though you have to do this?

698
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 3: And I said, well, I.

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Speaker 2: Just want to make sure that when people show up

700
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Speaker 2: or if they're going to pay their way to do

701
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: this with me, that they feel like they're getting their

702
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: money's worth. And he says, do you think that certification

703
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: is going to change that experience for them? And then

704
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: he said to me, did Oprah go to a life

705
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: coaching class? I said, I highly doubt that Oprah went

706
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 2: to a life coaching glass, but she still became Oprah.

707
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 2: So I guess we're just going to keep running with this, right.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you're pointing it out. I think

710
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: it's really important, a really important message. This imposter syndrome

711
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: thing comes up so often. And I do think that

712
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: there's a balance between being qualified to help people with

713
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: real challenges in life and then and having you know,

714
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: the proper training or certification to be able to do that.

715
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Speaker 1: But I think most of the time, we as people

716
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: tend to feel the imposter syndrome and hold ourselves back

717
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: for things that we are absolutely meant to move into

718
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: and don't need the qualifications or the certifications to do,

719
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: like your example. And and I think this is this

720
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: is true across the board, not just in the wellness space.

721
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: I hear it all the time when friends get promoted

722
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: when people start to explore new work or feel like

723
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: they're following a calling or a sense of purpose that

724
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: is brand new to them. You know, if I stayed

725
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: in that realm of Jesse, you really shouldn't be organizing

726
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: these group meditations. Who are you to be doing that

727
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: or who are you to get on stage to guide,

728
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Speaker 1: you know, a ten minute mindfulness exercise. If I listen

729
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: to those stories and stayed in a safer lane, I

730
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't be doing the work that I'm doing today. And

731
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Speaker 1: I believe that my work is able to help lots

732
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: of people. And I've been able to follow a line

733
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Speaker 1: of integrity to make sure that I get the training

734
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: when I actually need it for the role. So if

735
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Speaker 1: I was trying to tell people, Hey, I'm going to

736
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Speaker 1: teach meditation and give you life advice without any training,

737
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Speaker 1: I don't think that would have been responsible or in an integrity.

738
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Speaker 1: But to be able to facilitate an experience where we

739
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: can come together and close our eyes and to just

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Speaker 1: talk about what's going on in our lives, I believe

741
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Speaker 1: anybody can do that. Yeah, So this has been a

742
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Speaker 1: really important part of my journey, and I'm so glad

743
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Speaker 1: that you highlighted that.

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Speaker 2: When you and I met, you were in the middle

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Speaker 2: and I'm skipping forward a little bit here, but a

778
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Speaker 2: multi city tour with The Big Quiet. So talk to

779
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: me about how The Big Quiet goes from summer stage

780
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: a few other things too.

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Speaker 3: Wow, we're really going to take this on the road.

782
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we started to get more and more invites

783
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: from really special and iconic locations in the city to

784
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: gather people for The Big Quiet for these mass meditation moments,

785
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: and it was really cool to see that. Like when

786
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: our small team was and this incredible community of New

787
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: Yorkers who were really supporting it, when we were aligned

788
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: with what we felt like people needed and we were

789
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,479
Speaker 1: aligned with doing it in a way that felt real

790
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: to us. The stuff that would come to us, it

791
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: was so cool what was sort of being magnetized through this.

792
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: And you know, we started to get these opportunities to

793
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: host The Big Quiet at the venues that I dreamed

794
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: of having our bands perform at, and now we were

795
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: gathering people to meditate and have music at these places.

796
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 4: And we got a.

797
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: Cold email from Madison Square Garden, which was just so

798
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: crazy to me because that was always the dream. It's

799
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: like to have one of our bands play MSG, you know,

800
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: the Great Arena, And we got a cold email from

801
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: MSG a couple of years into the Big Quiet's growth,

802
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: and they they asked us if we'd be interesting interested

803
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: in collaborating on an event where we would host a

804
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: mass meditation on the arena floor. And it's just unreal

805
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: to be able to have these experiences and to bring

806
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: this value system to these incredibly iconic locations. So we

807
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: were able to start to you know, build momentum through

808
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 1: those partnerships. You know, my background being in the music

809
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: industry and touring and bands started to think more and

810
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: more about what it would look like to take The

811
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Speaker 1: Big Quiet on the road and to tour The Big

812
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: Quiet like it was a band, and we decided to

813
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: give it a shot. In twenty eighteen when Emily Kessler,

814
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: who's now my partner in The Big Quiet, came on

815
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: board to start managing the Big Quiet, and she has

816
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: an awesome background in the music industry and also a

817
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: big meditator, so we have a.

818
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 4: Lot in common there.

819
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,479
Speaker 1: So em came on board and really helped us grow

820
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: The Big Quiet to something that could go beyond New

821
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: York City and could pull from some of those things

822
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: that we both understood from the music industry. Twenty eighteen,

823
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: we did a five city tour and we brought the

824
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: Big Quiet to iconic locations in five cities. And then

825
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, in the fall last year, we took

826
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Speaker 1: the Big quint on a ten city tour where we

827
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: were able to go to some great spots. We did

828
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: three Big Quiets at the Gougenheim, which I remember seeing

829
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: you at, and places like Hollywood Forever Cemetery, in the

830
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 1: Boston Public Library, in front of the Titanosaur, the largest

831
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: dinosaur ever at the Museum of Natural History, in Chicago

832
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: was able to just really gather people in different communities

833
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: in some really special places, sharing this thing that we've loved.

834
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, that tour last year was such a blast,

835
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: and we actually had a twenty city tour lined up

836
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: for this fall, which has been postponed.

837
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: Man, the first question follow up from that is once

838
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: you start to home in on this new path and

839
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: monetize the Big Quiet and everything seems to get rolling

840
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: in MSG calls and it's exciting, what happens to your anxiety?

841
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 4: Let's see.

842
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: I distinctly remember the couple of months leading up to

843
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: MSG this bizarre thing was happening because people were like, wow,

844
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: we can't believe it. It's like two or three years

845
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: into the Big Quiet and you guys are doing MSG.

846
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: How incredible, Which was incredible. But I also remember being.

847
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 4: Feeling so low at this period in my life.

848
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: I was I was just I was going through some

849
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: personal challenges and was having a real spike in my

850
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: in my anxiety and mental health challenges. And it was

851
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: such a weird juxtaposition to be about to go do

852
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: a Big Quiet at MSG while feeling so shitty inside.

853
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: And this was and this is what was so great

854
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: about Medi Club was it was a space to be

855
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: able to talk about that. So I remember having a

856
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: medi club because to be clear, Medi Club still happens,

857
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: and at that point was happening every month while whereas

858
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: the big quiet was happening I don't know, maybe quarterly

859
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: or something like that. And at the Medi Club right

860
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: before MSG, I remember getting up in front of the

861
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: group and being able to say, this is such a

862
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: strange experience because I'm so excited and grateful to have

863
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: MSG ahead of us, but I'm also internally really going

864
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: through this tough time and it's it was it still

865
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: felt like I'm not supposed to be feeling that way.

866
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: You know, I'm about to lead, uh, you know, host

867
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: of mass meditation at MSG.

868
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 4: I supposed to be this wellness.

869
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: Guy, this meditation figure that like brings love and light

870
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: and enlightenment.

871
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 4: To everything that he does. And there I was just

872
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 4: in a really dark period. It was, you know what

873
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 4: it was, I was.

874
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: I had been I was weaning off of I had

875
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: gone off of a medication, off of an SSRI medication,

876
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: and was really having a tough time with the process

877
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: of going off of it because I was not smart

878
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: with how I weaned off of it, and going off

879
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: of SSR medications can be really challenging. So I was

880
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 1: I was in this really low spot and I spoke

881
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: to the group about it. I was like, I'm about

882
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: to do this big thing at MSG and I and

883
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm a person in the wellness industry. I also have

884
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: relationship experiences with SSRI medications anti anxiety medication. I'm also

885
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 1: experiencing a lot of anxiety in my life right now,

886
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: and both of these things are great. Right to be

887
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: able to hold both of these experiences, in my opinion,

888
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: is what it's about. So to be able to continue

889
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: to be on this Big Quiet path and to be

890
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: able to honestly communicate the excitement and also the challenges

891
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,919
Speaker 1: that I was going through with my own shit as

892
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: I was being human and growing into who I am,

893
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: was really important. It was important to be able to

894
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: celebrate those two things together. And over the past five

895
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: years of developing the Big Quiet, I've made great progress

896
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: with these challenges. I'd say mainly in regards to my

897
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: relationship with how I treat my anxiety and how I

898
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: treat depression. In some of these challenges, whereas in the past,

899
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: I really felt like I wasn't supposed to be having them,

900
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: that I was a fake if I was feeling anxiety

901
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: and leading meditations with thousands of people.

902
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 4: And what's shifted is when that stuff comes up, I

903
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 4: just allow it. I welcome it.

904
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: I do my best to bring love to it when

905
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: I feel my anxiety, and it's just changed my relationship

906
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: to it and I often am able to melt through

907
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: it as a result of taking on this this different

908
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: attitude to it, you know, this different relationship to it,

909
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: and being able.

910
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 4: To speak about that.

911
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: While the Big Quiet has grown, I think has been

912
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: really important because such an important value to the work

913
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: that I do and that The Big Quiet does is.

914
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 4: Owning the fact that.

915
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: And this is something that I'd like to see more

916
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: of in the wellness space, is that wellness and life

917
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: is not all lightness. It's not all you know, just

918
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: like bright white, happy at leisure salads. I love all

919
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: that stuff, But like anything in life, there is darkness.

920
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: There is challenge, and it's the full spectrum of experience

921
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: that I love to celebrate through my work, regardless if

922
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm on stage with Oprah or if I'm hosting a

923
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: meditation with twenty people. When the Mighty Club first started, right,

924
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: This full spectrum of experience is what it's about, and

925
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: I love celebrating and covering both of those things. So

926
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: to wrap it up, I'm grateful that I've had those

927
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: experiences while being on this path, although they've been uncomfort

928
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,439
Speaker 1: and confronting for sure.

929
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 3: For sure.

930
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 2: And so you mentioned that last fall you did the

931
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 2: Tensity tour and then right after that you jumped into

932
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 2: Oprah's twenty twenty Vision tour.

933
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 3: So talk to me about how that came about.

934
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, So opra'stein came to one of the big quiet stops.

935
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: It was the Chicago stop in our tour last year.

936
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 1: Some of Oprastein from the WW team came and checked

937
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: it out and they liked it, and we hit it off,

938
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: and they suggested that I lead a meditation at one

939
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: of the tour stops on the Oprah tour, which was

940
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: insane because Oprah was a huge source of inspiration for

941
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: starting medi Club, probably i'd say the main source of inspiration.

942
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: I loved the way that she had modernized and popularized

943
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: vulnerable conversation and humanized it in a way that was

944
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: I thought so beautiful and authentic, and it really led

945
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: me to wanting to create medi Club and that conversation piece.

946
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: So to get an invite to be able to lead

947
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: a meditation at one of her tour stops was really exciting.

948
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 4: And I was meant to only do this.

949
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: At the first stop of the tour, and we were

950
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: able to turn it into the segment where I did

951
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: a ten minute talk about meditation and the importance of

952
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: rest and quiet, you know, in this age of noise,

953
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: and then a ten minute meditation with Jackie from the

954
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: Big Quiet Play Ensembles at the first stop of Oprah's tour,

955
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: and we were meant to only do that, and it

956
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: was an incredible opportunity to be a part of this

957
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: great event. It was at Arena with fifteen thousand people

958
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 1: for Lauderdale, and it was incredibly nerve wracking, but also

959
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: felt so great to be up there. Oprah sat in

960
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: the audience and meditated during the mass meditation, and then

961
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: she came on stage and she did a Q and

962
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: A with me where we got to talk about some

963
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: of the things that you and I are talking about

964
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: here on this podcast, and it went really well. So

965
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 1: a couple of days after that launch event happened and

966
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: her team called me and said that Oprah really enjoyed

967
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: it and that the team really enjoyed it, and they

968
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: wanted Jackie and I to come on the full tour

969
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: for the next ten weeks. And the next tour stop

970
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: was in I think like two or three days.

971
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 2: Who's the first person you tell when Oprah's team calls

972
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: you and tells you that they want you to come

973
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: on tour.

974
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: I think the first person that I called was Emily,

975
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: who's the Big Quiets manager and my partner in the

976
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: Big Quiet. And then I was actually at my parents'

977
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: place and I was supposed to have dinner. It was

978
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: like dinner was in like fifteen minutes and I couldn't eat.

979
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 4: I was just too excited.

980
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't even imagine.

981
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was pretty surreal.

982
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: And so you get the call to go and you

983
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 2: literally just pack up because you know you'll be on

984
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 2: the road for just the foreseeable future, or do you

985
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 2: know that you're going to go to this tour stop

986
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: and then have time to regroup and then go on

987
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: the road.

988
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: Well, the way that it worked was we were mainly

989
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: doing weekends, so I would spend half the week in

990
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: the city that the event was going to be at

991
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: and then I was able to spend a couple of

992
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: days each week in La. I had moved to my

993
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: place in Venice the day I got the call to

994
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: go on tour, so it was just kind of strange

995
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: time to be moving into this new place while also

996
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 1: being on the road.

997
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 4: And it just worked out.

998
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: You know. My rule was like for those ten weeks

999
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: when I was in town, I just took it really easy,

1000
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: and then we would go on the weekends and have

1001
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: this incredible experience. And then I mentioned three days after

1002
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: the last tour stop was when was when the pandemic

1003
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: was when the quarantine kicked in in La. So I

1004
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: came off this tour, you know, very fired up for

1005
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: the next chapter, with a lot of really exciting things booked,

1006
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: like a twenty city big quiet tour and plenty of

1007
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: other things. And then yeah, three days after I got

1008
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: back and was like, all right, I'm gonna settle here

1009
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: in La, the pandemic kicked in. I went to my

1010
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: parents for the weekend and three months later was still

1011
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: at my parents' place.

1012
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, that's insane.

1013
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 2: I think a big source of anxiety for people, although

1014
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: it hasn't been as much of an issue this year

1015
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 2: with the pandemic as you're speaking about. But when you

1016
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: are constantly traveling, constantly on the go, it can feel

1017
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: really unsettling and a little disturbing at times, and you

1018
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: can get wrapped up in what it is that you're

1019
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 2: on the move to do. But then when you take

1020
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 2: a step back and you finally stop, it can just

1021
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 2: be a lot. So two questions. Firstly, what did you

1022
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: do to help stay grounded when you were in this

1023
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 2: constant go? And then after we talk about that, I'd

1024
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: love for you to shed some light on coming down

1025
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: from that experience for you.

1026
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, yeah, In regards to being able to manage

1027
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: the travel, I was also doing a lot of speaking

1028
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: engagements while I was on the tour. So there was

1029
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: one week where I was in five cities in a

1030
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: in a seven day period and wow, and that's just

1031
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: that's not something that the body knows how to handle.

1032
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: It just doesn't, you know. Just the concept of flight

1033
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: is so new to the to the human, to the

1034
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: human body, where we're not used to moving through time

1035
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: and space that quickly. We're also not used to being

1036
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: in different time zones and in different parts of the

1037
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: globe and such short periods of time that air travel provides.

1038
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: So travel is a lot on the nervous system. This

1039
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: is why it tends to feel stressful and also why

1040
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 1: it's easy to get sick when we travel or after

1041
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: we travel. So for me, and this is what we

1042
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: do with the Big Quiet team and we when we tour,

1043
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 1: we just go really hard on boundaries when we when

1044
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: we travel when we're touring, and this is what I

1045
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: did on the Opra tour as well. So for me,

1046
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: it was just giving myself a lot of permission to rest.

1047
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 1: And it was it was like, you know, I didn't

1048
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: want to uh So when I would go to a

1049
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: new city, it wasn't enough for me. It wasn't an

1050
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: opportunity to go explore that city and you know, go

1051
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: out and party and see this and that and then

1052
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: also show up for my segment of the arena. You know,

1053
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: for me, it was when I'm when I'm there in

1054
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: that spot, I am just resting a lot of phone

1055
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: off time, a lot of taking it easy, bathing. I'm

1056
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: really particular about how I eat when I'm when I'm

1057
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: on tour because I just find that food and diet

1058
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: can really support.

1059
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 4: I know you talk a lot about this too, can.

1060
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: Really can really support me feeling my best when I'm

1061
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: on the road. It's tough to do and we're traveling,

1062
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: but that was really important. So yeah, So for me,

1063
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: it was really just boundaries around rest and giving myself

1064
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: that permission to rest as much as I could so

1065
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: I could really show up for the things that I

1066
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: was on tour for. And even when I was back

1067
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,959
Speaker 1: home in LA for a couple of days every week,

1068
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't out and doing much.

1069
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 4: I was really just taking it easy.

1070
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: And this is actually something that Oprah and I both

1071
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: talked about at every tour stop together on stage, which

1072
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: was the permission for people to rest. And you know,

1073
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: we both are able to acknowledge that that is a

1074
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: position of privilege. Not everyone is able to but for

1075
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: those of us that are able to create the permission

1076
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: to rest, this is the concept that we all deserve rest,

1077
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: especially with how hard we're going, regardless if we're on

1078
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: tour or not. To see rest as an opportunity to

1079
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: recharge and as a source of power instead of rest

1080
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: as a means of guilt or laziness or anti hustle.

1081
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: I think this is a really important message. So just

1082
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: trying to embody that and live that on tour was

1083
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: really important.

1084
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: And how did you I'm gonna break in here, how

1085
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: did you go about setting these boundaries for yourself without

1086
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: feeling guilty or like you were doing something wrong?

1087
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 4: I was just so So there are two ways to

1088
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 4: look at it.

1089
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: One one was the boundaries I was creating for my self,

1090
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: which I could feel like like fomo around or like

1091
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: some missed opportunity around. And then there was the boundaries

1092
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: I was setting with other people. So with the boundaries

1093
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: for myself, I just gave myself permission to really listen

1094
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: to my body. You know, if I was if I

1095
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: had just been traveling that day and I'm in a

1096
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: hotel in a new city and other people on the

1097
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: team are going to go out and you know, go

1098
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: out to a bar that night and have fun, Yeah,

1099
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: there's that temptation to want to go be with that

1100
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: group and to see the city and who knowing I'll

1101
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: be in that city again.

1102
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 4: But ultimately I would check.

1103
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: In with my body and if if my body felt

1104
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: like it needed rest, which it did for a lot

1105
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: of this experience, then I was really clear about it.

1106
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 4: Just taking the night off, and I would just tell

1107
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 4: the people.

1108
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: I would tell the team that, you know, taking the

1109
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: night off, going to rest tonight, and just owning it

1110
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: and just being really clear about it. And this was

1111
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: true with people as well. There were definitely people that

1112
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to see, you know, in different cities, and

1113
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: friends I had in different cities. But for me, trying

1114
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: to be social and squeezing different appointments or meetings while

1115
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: I was also on this tour, I know myself, I

1116
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: know that that would wipe me up. So when people

1117
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:06,919
Speaker 1: would ask if I could get together in the city,

1118
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: I would just say, you know, on this trip, I'm

1119
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: really making space to rest when I'm not doing the show,

1120
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: but I'd love to get together when I'm next in

1121
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: town and just really upfront people. Really, I find tend

1122
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: to respect clear boundaries, you know. I think the hard

1123
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: thing with boundaries is to be able to say them

1124
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: to people or to be able to own them ourselves.

1125
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: But ultimately, when I communicate a boundary to someone else

1126
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: and I do it lovingly, may sting a little bit

1127
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: for the other person, right, Like, we're so sensitive and

1128
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 1: I want to hurt people's feelings. But when I'm doing

1129
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: it because it's really what I know I need, and

1130
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm doing it from a place of love.

1131
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 4: People ultimately really respect it.

1132
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 3: I love that feedback.

1133
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 2: I think it's really really helpful, and I think, for sure,

1134
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 2: as I'm sure that you have also experienced, that setting

1135
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 2: boundaries can can definitely be a difficult exercise and one

1136
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 2: that takes practice, just like so many other things in

1137
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 2: our lives, including meditation. So then on the come down note,

1138
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: talk to me about what it was like to come

1139
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 2: back from this crazy, crazy, crazy life experience and then

1140
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: be thrust into just hanging out with mom and dad.

1141
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: It was, I would say the first few months of it,

1142
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: I was I was just in like service mode because

1143
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: I came off this Opra tour. Yes, there was a

1144
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: ton of awesome stuff lined up. The world changed really

1145
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: fast in the matter of a week in regards to

1146
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: the intensity of how it was about to affect my

1147
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: life and a lot of people around me. So I

1148
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: shifted into Okay, I was about to go to Australia

1149
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: and go rest for a month, and instead there's a

1150
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: real opportunity to figure out how digitally and virtually I

1151
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: could help people and share meditation and bring this tool

1152
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: that I knew was about to be more important than ever.

1153
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: So I leaned into starting to figure out how I

1154
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: can do my work virtually, which I never did. Everything

1155
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: I did before was in person except for things like podcasts,

1156
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: and even those were oftentimes recorded in person. So this

1157
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: is this is a very new platform for me. So

1158
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: I decided that instead of resting, I was going to

1159
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: step up to that need. And for the next two months,

1160
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: I worked very hard. And it was cool because I

1161
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: would spend the nights with my parents and then all

1162
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: my other time if I wasn't sleeping, I was pretty

1163
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: much just just working and adjusting our business.

1164
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 4: And it was I was starting to see the.

1165
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: Signs, like some of the symptoms of burnout, which I

1166
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: know from my own experience, you know, having experienced it

1167
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: several times in my music industry career and in my

1168
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: big quiet career, but I wasn't really treating them seriously

1169
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: because it just everything felt so strange. It was like

1170
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: such a new normal around all the zoom time and

1171
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: not being able to see people, and how weird that

1172
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: felt in my body to be endorsed so much. So

1173
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: I think it was easy to go these feelings of

1174
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: and out are just attached to the weird world and

1175
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: new dynamic that were in. So I kept pushing, and

1176
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: then about two months ago, I just hit a huge

1177
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: wall and I realized that I've been placing a ton

1178
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: of pressure on myself to figure out how I was

1179
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: going to adjust a business that I dedicated the past

1180
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: five years of my life building mainly in the physical space.

1181
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: I've been putting a lot of pressure on myself to

1182
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: figure out what the new thing was going to look

1183
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: like and how to do it digitally, and seeing my

1184
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: peers adjust to shifting their digital businesses, and had this

1185
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: great pressure that I'd placed on myself to figure it out.

1186
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people had spoken to

1187
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: me about feeling this sense of pandemic pressure, feeling like

1188
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: it was the opportunity to create more and figure this

1189
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: out and take advantage of the time off. But the

1190
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: reality is, I know for me, I already needed the

1191
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: rest going into it, and just the levels of i'd

1192
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: say collect distress and intensity, plus the pressure I was

1193
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: placing on myself around work, I was not doing any

1194
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: service to myself and definitely wasn't able to be of

1195
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: service to other people. So I got really fried and

1196
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: started to find that like doing much around my work

1197
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: was really fatiguing for me. Zoom calls, guided meditations, you know,

1198
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: virtual speaking engagements. I started to feel really tired by

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01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: it all. Even though I wanted to be helping people,

1200
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't taking care of myself first. And I've learned

1201
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: this lesson so many times I had to be taught

1202
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: at again. So I've taken the past the past month

1203
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: or so to just ease in. And the reality is,

1204
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: my business is different right now. I know it is

1205
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. I know a lot of

1206
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: people don't have jobs right now, and for me it

1207
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: was It's been about letting go of the pressure to

1208
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: figure out the next thing. It's been about releasing what

1209
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: I thought my life was going to look like after

1210
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: the Oprah tour and having a very different reality, which

1211
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: has been the case for so many people, and finding

1212
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: a balance to rest and take care of myself because

1213
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm able to right now while also doing some of

1214
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: the work that I was doing before, so I can

1215
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: still give myself to helping people and also make a

1216
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,439
Speaker 1: living while you know, while I'm in this unique time,

1217
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: and I've been able to create a three week break

1218
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: that that I'm going on a week after next where

1219
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm going to just turn off, just

1220
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 1: just go offline for three weeks, which I'm really looking

1221
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: forward to and to spend some time in nature and

1222
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: have that reset.

1223
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 4: And I've been taught that lesson again.

1224
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 2: It's the classic idea of you've got to put your

1225
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 2: oxygen mask on first before you can help other people.

1226
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, for you.

1227
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 2: I'm curious just because I feel like burnout is such

1228
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 2: a hot topic, especially I can really sympathize and relate

1229
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 2: to this concept of feeling like you want to be

1230
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 2: so productive, you want to do everything, you feel like

1231
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: you should be taking advantage of this time for you,

1232
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 2: what were those signs of burnout?

1233
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: So the signs of burnout for me, which I tend

1234
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: to see are similar symptoms for other people. And I

1235
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: work a lot with executives and people at companies, and

1236
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: I see this is pretty common across the board. But

1237
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: for me, it starts to look like and feel like

1238
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:19,919
Speaker 1: a loss of vitality and interest in the things that

1239
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: I find myself interested and usually the things that feel

1240
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: exciting to me. Usually there's sort of a loss of

1241
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: energy and the liveness around it, and when it gets

1242
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: more extreme, it can start to feel kind of like

1243
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: a hopelessness. This is I think when we're really in burnout,

1244
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: is that sort of loss of vitality turns to a

1245
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: sense of hopelessness. So that's the first thing, is just

1246
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: like noticing that change in relationship to things that once

1247
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: excited me. Then there's the feeling of getting fatigued easily

1248
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: by things that wouldn't fatigue me in the past. So

1249
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, by eleven am have being had one or

1250
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: two zoom calls and already feeling.

1251
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 4: Exhausted by it.

1252
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: Right, it's just starting to notice that my tolerance, my

1253
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: adaptability to be able to face work and people and

1254
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, the things that I give myself to that

1255
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: that adaptability energy is lower. Also noticing that by the

1256
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: end of the day I just feel so wiped out

1257
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: and really feeling like I needed more rest than usual.

1258
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: These are some of the signs. And then for me

1259
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: also there was you know, a heightened sense of anxiety,

1260
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: which I really do think has been felt.

1261
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 4: Collectively by a lot of people.

1262
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: I think that when there is this much uncertainty and

1263
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: intensity in our country and in the world like we've

1264
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 1: seen over the past several months, that that is something

1265
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: that lots of people can feel. And I think that

1266
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: that created an extra layer of weight on top of

1267
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: the burnout that was starting to form, so feeling that that.

1268
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 4: Heightened sense of anxiety was real.

1269
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: What I've seen with the burnout is the best way

1270
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: to move through it, or I'd say the best way

1271
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: to really knock it out before it gets bad is

1272
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: to is to prioritize rest, because if I allow myself

1273
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: to fall into the burnout stage, the way to recover

1274
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: from it once we've like fully fallen into burnout can

1275
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: take a long time. It can take months sometimes to

1276
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: recover from burnout if we don't catch ourselves and really

1277
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: treat it before we re fully fall into it. So

1278
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: I feel like I was starting to really feel those

1279
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: symptoms and just taking my own advice because I've been

1280
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: able to knowing that i needed to take a break

1281
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: from all my work and I'm able to right now.

1282
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 4: Which is really great.

1283
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: I'm luckly to be able to do so making that

1284
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: happen before it gets bad, and that's what I've needed

1285
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: to do, and I'm seeing a lot of people experiencing

1286
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: this fatigue because we are there's so many things we're

1287
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: holding it once right now, it makes sense that this

1288
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: is our reality. So for us to give ourselves permission

1289
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: to cut back right now instead of lean into more,

1290
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: and to give ourselves that permission to rest and to

1291
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: find ways to rest if we're able to be in nature,

1292
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: to be with family, if we can I know a

1293
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: lot of us can't right to have meaningful, heartfelt conversations

1294
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: ideally regularly if we're able to, and giving ourselves way

1295
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: more space to rest, take baths for those of us

1296
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: that have baths. Really amping up the self care is

1297
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: so important right now, especially right now.

1298
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 2: What does the pivot look like at this time for

1299
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 2: the Big Quiet, Now that the twenty stop tour is

1300
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:36,919
Speaker 2: postponed for the time being.

1301
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: We've mainly been leaning into live virtual courses, which have

1302
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:46,759
Speaker 1: actually been very gratifying. When we weren't touring, we would

1303
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 1: run a course where we would teach groups of people

1304
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: how to meditate. At our events, we guide meditations and

1305
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 1: it's experiential, you have an experience, you leave. But we

1306
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 1: also have felt really called over the past couple of

1307
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: years to create space and community around people who really

1308
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: want to learn how to meditate so they can do

1309
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: it on their own, not just come to an event

1310
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: to meditate, or not just use an app to meditate,

1311
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: although these things are great. Wanted to give people the

1312
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: power to be able to practice on their own and

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Speaker 1: to be able to do so for life. So we

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Speaker 1: have been running our virtual meditation course we called The

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Speaker 1: Big Quiet one on one and we've been doing it virtually,

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Speaker 1: so we do it in groups through Zoom and it's

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Speaker 1: been a very different experience, but it's been really effective.

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Speaker 1: We've really been enjoying it. We did a partnership with

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Speaker 1: Audible Originals and we created a bunch of different guided

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Speaker 1: meditations with some really incredible musical guests, people who work

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Speaker 1: with The Big Quiet, and we've been releasing those throughout

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Speaker 1: the pandemic, their meditations and audio tracks to help people

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Speaker 1: sleep at night and to help people wake up while

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Speaker 1: we're in this challenging time.

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Speaker 4: So that's been really cool.

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Speaker 1: We've seen a handful of those hit the best the

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Speaker 1: top ten Audible bestsellers list, which has been really exciting.

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Speaker 1: I've been doing a lot of virtual speed and virtual

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Speaker 1: mass meditations through The Big Quiet or just me individually,

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Speaker 1: a lot for corporations and for different events that are

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Speaker 1: happening virtually, connecting thousands of people through different places to

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Speaker 1: have this similar type of experience that we have at

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Speaker 1: our events, but virtually, and we've been seeing that it's effective.

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Speaker 1: It's different, but it can work to have people all

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Speaker 1: over the world tune and to have that moment. So

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Speaker 1: it's been a lot of change, and there's been a

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Speaker 1: lot of discomfort that we've leaned into, but we're making

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Speaker 1: sense of it. It's evolving and growing, and I actually

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Speaker 1: think that we're going to have elements of our business

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Speaker 1: that I think can help people in ways we wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have considered or explored if we weren't forced to look

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Speaker 1: at virtual So there has been that plus.

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Speaker 4: Side to it.

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Speaker 2: I think the most powerful businesses and the most successful

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Speaker 2: businesses going forward are going to be those that do

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Speaker 2: just that, that don't take what they learned during this

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Speaker 2: period and once things go back to a version of

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Speaker 2: how they used to be, they're like, well, okay, that's

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Speaker 2: done now. But being able to take these virtual learnings

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Speaker 2: and include these offerings in ways to reach a broader

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Speaker 2: consumer base going forward, that's definitely it's going to be

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Speaker 2: interesting to see how businesses everywhere really ebb and.

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Speaker 3: Flow with that for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so too.

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Speaker 2: When I go to your Instagram page, I see in

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Speaker 2: your every lovely Instagram bio founder of the Big Quiet.

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Speaker 2: I scroll down, I see leading these mass meditations. It

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Speaker 2: looks like you got your shit together. When you look

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Speaker 2: in the mirror. What is it that you see looking

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Speaker 2: back at you?

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Speaker 1: A big time scorpio over here. The moodiness is real

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Speaker 1: for me. So ultimately, when I'm in a place of

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Speaker 1: remembering right, when I really feel connected and I look

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Speaker 1: at myself, I feel proud of the person that I've

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Speaker 1: become and I have been able to grow into a

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Speaker 1: point of I'd say, being able to celebrate the things

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Speaker 1: that have been really challenging for me and to finally

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Speaker 1: understand that the challenges in my life have been my

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Speaker 1: greatest teachers and that they're really important parts of what

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Speaker 1: make me who I am today. I feel when I

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Speaker 1: look at myself in the mirror, when I'm in that

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Speaker 1: good place, I'm able to see that and celebrate that

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Speaker 1: and to know that it's my imperfections, it's my challenges

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Speaker 1: that make me who I am, and that is something

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Speaker 1: that I find if I'm able to bring love to,

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Speaker 1: then I'm able to bring love to all the things

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Speaker 1: that happened in my life, not just love myself when

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Speaker 1: things are going good. And this has really been really

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Speaker 1: important for me, So that's real. But you know, it's

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Speaker 1: also worth noting that based on the day, I'll look

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Speaker 1: at myself in the mirror and I will not feel

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Speaker 1: good about how my life's going, or and I feel

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Speaker 1: good about how my days looking. I'll just not feel

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Speaker 1: good in general. And for me, a big part of

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Speaker 1: my practice over these past few years has been about

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Speaker 1: allowing that to be okay, and to not resist and

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Speaker 1: fight or try to you know, change or pass through

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Speaker 1: the discomfort or the challenging days, but instead to welcome

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Speaker 1: them and embrace them, to love them.

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Speaker 4: If I'm able to to.

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Speaker 1: Understand that it's the darkness as well as the lightness

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Speaker 1: that makes me who I am.

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Speaker 4: And I think right now this feels particularly important.

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Speaker 2: You have an opportunity to put one last thing, to

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Speaker 2: put one last message into the universe on that Instagram page.

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Speaker 2: What do you think that you would put there?

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Speaker 1: I think that like the last message that I would

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Speaker 1: want to put out if I could choose the last

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Speaker 1: message it would be about. I think it's been what's

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Speaker 1: been most important for me. Really, the most important thing

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Speaker 1: for me in my process has been about and I

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Speaker 1: know it sounds the way it sounds, but it's real.

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Speaker 4: For me.

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Speaker 1: It's about being able to love myself wherever I'm at

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Speaker 1: in that moment, and to be able to celebrate and

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Speaker 1: appreciate me for me with all the things that are happening,

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Speaker 1: and to understand and know that I'm meant to be

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Speaker 1: in that place with those experiences at that time. There's

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Speaker 1: such a I think collective push to feel like when

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Speaker 1: we feel bad that we need to change it and

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Speaker 1: fix it or intellectually, you know, make sense of it

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Speaker 1: in some way, and that often leads to people feeling

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Speaker 1: like they're not enough, like they're behind.

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Speaker 4: I think this is so commonly felt.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, the message that's been most important to me,

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Speaker 1: whichuld be the last measure that I put out, would

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Speaker 1: be for us to be able to love ourselves for

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Speaker 1: who we are in this moment.

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Speaker 2: You have an opportunity right now to offer yourself one

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Speaker 2: piece of advice looking back on the Hurdle moment, which

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Speaker 2: was the anxieties of running a record label and constantly

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Speaker 2: working and being on the go and never stopping.

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Speaker 3: What do you tell yourself?

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Speaker 1: Tell myself what I've seen consistently throughout the past five

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Speaker 1: years of doing this work. I've seen that dicy is

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Speaker 1: to really hold on tight and grip and try to

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Speaker 1: control a lot of what I'm creating and where it's

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Speaker 1: going and whenever that's happening right when I'm When I'm

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Speaker 1: really in that sort of maintenance and like gripping place,

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Speaker 1: I find that the magic kind of gets lost in

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Speaker 1: the work. Things start to slow down and become less enjoyable.

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Speaker 1: And when I'm able to let go and understand that

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Speaker 1: while having an intention for my work is important, trying

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Speaker 1: to create a perfect plan and sort of force that

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Speaker 1: plan to place is not realistic and usually leads to

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Speaker 1: me feeling significantly unhappy. So to give myself permission to

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Speaker 1: let go, to just sort of surrender to how work

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Speaker 1: and life unfolds while staying connected to an intention would

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Speaker 1: be really helpful for me, because any time in my

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Speaker 1: life where I've been able to do that, especially in

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Speaker 1: my work, I find that I'm able to appreciate it

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Speaker 1: enjoy it more in those moments when I grip tightly

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Speaker 1: and a lot of it comes from my perfectionism. It

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Speaker 1: becomes way less enjoyable. So for me, it would be

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Speaker 1: it would be to remind myself that I can let

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Speaker 1: go and to give myself that permission to surrender to

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Speaker 1: what's to whatever is happening, and to stay intention driven

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Speaker 1: while moving through that.

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Speaker 2: I'm just so appreciative for your perspective and really just

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Speaker 2: your vulnerability. I think it's really beautiful to hear you

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Speaker 2: open up knowing how much your perspective and again that

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Speaker 2: vulnerability is really going.

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Speaker 3: To help other people. So thank you, my friend. I

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Speaker 3: appreciate you so much.

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Speaker 4: You are so welcome. Thank you so much for having

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Speaker 4: me on.

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Speaker 1: It's great to be able to talk about this stuff,

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Speaker 1: and it's great to be able to talk about this

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Speaker 1: at a time that's challenging for so many people, including

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Speaker 1: leaders in the wellness space. So thank you for making

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Speaker 1: the space and for sharing my story and for sharing

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Speaker 1: my story in this moment.

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Speaker 2: Please take a moment and leave a quick review by

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Speaker 2: clicking the link with the description to this episode. We

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Speaker 2: all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to hear

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Speaker 2: about yours. Reach out to me at Emily at Hurdle

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Speaker 2: dot us. Connect with the podcast on Instagram and Twitter

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Speaker 2: at Hurdle Podcast Jesse. How do they keep up with you?

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Speaker 2: How do they keep up with the Big Quiet? Give

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Speaker 2: me all the details.

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Speaker 1: People can keep up with me on my Instagram at

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Speaker 1: Jesse Israel or my website jesseseriel dot com. Same with

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Speaker 1: the Big Quiet at the Big Quiet and the Big

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Speaker 1: Quiet dot Com.

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Speaker 2: I am at Emily Abadie and at Hurdle Podcast Another

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Speaker 2: hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time