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Speaker 1: On the beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef

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Speaker 1: in best start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie

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Speaker 1: Loftus and my name is Caitlin Drunte, and this is

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Speaker 1: our podcast about the portrayal of women in movies. Horns.

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Speaker 1: We use the Bechdel test. Yeah, as a it's not

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Speaker 1: like I was surprised. We do, we do? We do?

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Speaker 1: We do? The Bechtel test if You're not familiar, is

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Speaker 1: a test that requires that a movie has two female

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Speaker 1: identifying characters. They have to have names, they have to

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Speaker 1: speak to each other, and they cannot be talking about men. Hey,

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Speaker 1: can we by the test really quick? Let's do it? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Hey Caitlin, Hey Jamie, you were really good at soccer

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Speaker 1: this morning. Thank you so much for coming to Mike game.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. Wholesome doesn't have to be funny, it can

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Speaker 1: be very awesome. Yeah, just very sincere. Yeah, Jamie, you

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Speaker 1: came to my game, and I really I just need

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Speaker 1: everyone to know what a good and supportive friend. You are. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's really more about me than it is about you know,

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Speaker 1: you're it was great, it was fun. Yeah, all women's

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Speaker 1: it's all women's league. So yeah. My soccer games always

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Speaker 1: passed the Bechtel tests every game and then, except when

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Speaker 1: you start screaming about the takedown of the patriarchy in

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Speaker 1: the middle during the halftime, which is great. Well, sometimes

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Speaker 1: we do yell at the usually male ref so I

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Speaker 1: guess those don't pass. But most of our conversations are

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Speaker 1: about soccer, so we use that test, the Bechtel test,

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Speaker 1: as a jumping off point to initiate larger conversations about

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Speaker 1: the general representation and portrayal of women in cinema. And

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Speaker 1: we are here to talk about a movie a popular request.

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Speaker 1: I'm still in theaters. Yes, we're talking about crazy rich Asians.

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Speaker 1: And with us, we've got two guests, super Um our

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Speaker 1: first guest new to the pod. She's a TV writer,

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Speaker 1: a comedian, Cita Sean. And we have a returning guest,

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Speaker 1: a friend of the cast. You may remember her from

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Speaker 1: our Transformers episode of the What's Up Network. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: she hosts her own podcast called You Can Tell Me Anything. Theresa.

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Speaker 1: Both of you guys have been on it's true which

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Speaker 1: one of us is the crazy and which one of

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Speaker 1: us is the rich? I mean, we to draw straw.

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Speaker 1: I just want to be the agent. So Teresa will

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Speaker 1: start with you. What's your history with this? Oh? I

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Speaker 1: read the book when it came out. It's a good read.

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Speaker 1: It's like a you know, a beatree, you know, a

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Speaker 1: then went to n y U. Yeah she is is Taiwanese.

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Speaker 1: Well maybe not if there's a sequel anyways, but she

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Speaker 1: I remember when it came out. I read it and

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Speaker 1: I even I found a tweet from a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I hope they make a movie out

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Speaker 1: of this, and I hope I'm in Hollywood when that happens.

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Speaker 1: That didn't happen. I didn't make it that far. So

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Speaker 1: you were physically in Hollywood? YEA, Yeah, I should have

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Speaker 1: been more specific about my wish, So yeah, manifest more specifically,

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Speaker 1: right right? And Cita, how about you? I think I

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Speaker 1: read the book when it came out to because the

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Speaker 1: title was you know, like that was like click bait

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Speaker 1: like eighties Joan Collins. And that's what Crazy Rich Agents

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Speaker 1: reminds me of, like super shoulder padded like extravagance, Jamie.

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Speaker 1: I read the book. I received the first book as

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Speaker 1: It was just my plane book for a while. I

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Speaker 1: and then I saw the movie last week and really

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Speaker 1: butt in mind. Unbelievable. Jamie. When we were watching this together,

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Speaker 1: So she learns that he comes from an extremely wealthy

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Speaker 1: why it's so important to have movies like this where

425
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: you know, people like me, and I would say a

426
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: large portion of white America can like see these stories

427
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: and see these cultures represented and say like, wow, this

428
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: is different from my own and and it's you know,

429
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: delivered to us respectfully and in a way where you

430
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: know we can learn about a different culture. Yeah. I

431
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: feel like it did a good job of being critical

432
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: with that, Like it was authentic so that I because

433
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm critical in my own culture, as we all should

434
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: be of everything. Right, No, nothing is perfect, That's how

435
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: we get better. So I feel like it did a

436
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: good job of being critical without feeling like it was

437
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 1: like exotifying anything. It didn't feel like it was like

438
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: white gay zey, like oh look how weird they are.

439
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: It felt like it was like criticizing from with him,

440
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: but also understanding where they're coming from. Like the table

441
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: scene when they're making the dumplings. That was I really

442
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 1: like that scene because you see the generations and the

443
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: kids joking even like asked her who understands because she

444
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: grew up there makes a joke about like, oh, like

445
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: they don't guild their kids, and it's like you see

446
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: how there are flaws. I don't think we should just

447
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: be like Asian people on TV. They're perfect because they're not. Like,

448
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of issues. We believe in ghosts,

449
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: like all this, it's like what's going on over there,

450
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: but we can't have any TV. Depression is not real,

451
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: but that'sal illnesses an issue. Sexism is such a problem Asia,

452
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: Like that's why there's so many girls that are left

453
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: in orphanages because you know, the sons are favored. So

454
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: that's it's that kind of talked about in the movie.

455
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: But there's a reason why Henry Golding's character is so

456
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 1: important because he's the son. Like they didn't have a

457
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: daughter that was taking over the Young Corporation with son,

458
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: which like is like a big I think you're The

459
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: movie makes it so that we're able to be critical

460
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: of it without feeling like we're like antagonizing or like

461
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: vilifying the whole culture, because it's very well rounded in

462
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: its criticism. Yeah, I feel I feel like if the

463
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: most of the stuff that I just was like, oh,

464
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: that's not something I'm familiar with or or fully understand,

465
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: were specifics inside of a larger narrative that you know

466
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: is a rom calm, which seems really smart, and like,

467
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: what's love? I didn't get that and also said I'm

468
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: a virgin of me don't understand, but no, it was

469
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: like I don't know. I mean, in terms of presenting

470
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: a movie with a culture that the majority of the

471
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: audience won't be familiar with, I feel like it was like,

472
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: it's so smart to put it in a construct that

473
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna understand. Everyone, whether they like it or not,

474
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: have seen rom com and that understands the general conventions

475
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: for better or whereas of a rom com and and

476
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: seeing things I didn't fully understand plugged into a larger

477
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: structure that I definitely understand was cool and like made

478
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: it easier for me on first feeling at least two,

479
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, here are the things that I

480
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,239
Speaker 1: didn't completely understand her that was just new to me,

481
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: and now I can just go and try to learn

482
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: about those things and figure out what their context were

483
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: in this kind of not entirely familiar story but like

484
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: a romantic comedy that wasn't like wait, what's happening? You know? Well,

485
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: like the un familiar stuff I'm curious, Well, like the

486
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: mang scene where I was like, they're playing a game

487
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: that I have no idea how to play. And I

488
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: read an article after I saw the movie that explains,

489
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: like there's a very important like significance to like Rachel's

490
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: hand where she gives up a specific tile and it's

491
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: symbolic of like her basically giving up her relationship with Nick,

492
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: so that there's like all that symbolism there. I wasn't

493
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: allowed to play Majong because my mom's dad like gambled

494
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: away their house when they're a little and he was

495
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: a big gambler. So I was not a low to play,

496
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: and so I've never understood how to play. I just

497
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: associated with like the amahs in the like smoky room,

498
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: and I'm not allowed to go in, Like I understood

499
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: what it culturally meant, but I didn't know the tiles.

500
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: But I thought they did such a great job setting

501
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: up the first scene about game theory because when they

502
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: mapped it back and it's like the Chinese version, you

503
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: instantly know what's gonna happen because they've set it up

504
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: already with poker with you, you do understand exactly exactly,

505
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: like here's something American audiences will definitely know, and then

506
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: here is like something that you probably haven't seen or understand,

507
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: but there's some context for it, and it makes it,

508
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, like it. It does make it accessible

509
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: for someone who's not familiar with Chinese culture at all,

510
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: because even if you don't know the game, what's happening

511
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: in the scene is still like Rachel is basically sacrificing

512
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: her own happiness because she loves Nick so much to

513
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: be like, I'm giving him up for you, Eleanor like,

514
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 1: and then luckily that's the catalyst that makes Eleanor see, yeah,

515
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: she's cool. Play in the game dynamic is right, which

516
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: was just really good writing on like two different levels. Yeah.

517
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: But I think the fact that this movie it's representation

518
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: that we don't normally see. It's respectful American, Like I

519
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: just truly did not know that much about Singapore as

520
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: a city at Also a lot of those like images

521
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: and you know, even establishing shots, I'm like, oh, whoa,

522
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: this is like just not a city I see very

523
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: frequently in my day to day media consumption. Gonna say bullshit,

524
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: because everything idea is it a city and a country,

525
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: I believe, so it's like governs itself. It's like a

526
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: sovereign so it's like a city state. It's kind of

527
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: like Hong Kong where it's like its own So yeah,

528
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: got it, sovereign city state. Thank you, superproducer and Sophie.

529
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: So basically, the fact that we see this representation it's

530
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: handled responsibly that I think is largely due to the

531
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: fact that it's direct by an Asian man, it's co

532
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: written by a white guy and an Asian woman. It's

533
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: based on a book by an Asian guy. So it's

534
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: it's stories by this community and about this community. So

535
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: when that happens, as we see in many of the

536
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: movies that we've covered, where you know, if it's Michael

537
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: Bay trying to like depict anything, he does it terribly crazy. Ex.

538
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: Once was there a geisha and she was a robot.

539
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: But you know, if it's like Ryan Kugler directing Black Panther,

540
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: if it's John Chew directing crazy rich Asians, like it's

541
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: that's is why we have just the stories and the

542
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 1: characters and everything depicted in much more positive ways than

543
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: we're used to seeing those types of characters on screen.

544
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: And it's also just like a really well written movie.

545
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think the thing with having like Asians

546
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: do this particular movie. I'm not saying like all Asian

547
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: movies have to be made by Asians, but there are

548
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: particular things that they pay attention to. I think that

549
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: helped the process along and makes it feel more authentic,

550
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: because I think it's like the Hollywood development machine. You

551
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: just you get scripts that are very broad, and so

552
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: there's just things in the movie where you're like, oh,

553
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: I get it, this is like what being Asians like.

554
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: And I think John M. Chew and especially Adele Lim

555
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: who is a Malaysian, a born screenwriter, like she's very

556
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: adjacent to Singapore, which is also very different from China. China.

557
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's the island parts of Asia, which

558
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: have their own culture and their own way of doing

559
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: things too. So I think that specificity really helped them

560
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: pull it together. Yeah, for sure. One of the things

561
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: that I wanted to point out, and I'm interested in

562
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: sort of everyone's takes on this, but um, the like

563
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: older men who could be in the story basically like

564
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: the patriarchs, are largely absent from it because we do

565
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: not ever meet Nick's dad. We get to know next

566
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: mom a lot. He's like off on business. We meet Mama.

567
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: But Nick's grandfather has passed away, so we never know him,

568
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: but we get to know Ama. We spend a lot

569
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: of time with like Nick's aunties, but we never meet

570
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: any of the uncles. I don't think I feel like

571
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: this is kind of accurate because I think it's very

572
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: much like the home life is matriarchal. I mean, I

573
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: didn't grow up in Singapore. I don't know how accurate

574
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: that is, but I feel like in Taiwan culture, it's

575
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: like it is very much around the like Ama, like

576
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: in the house. Um. But you know, it's like doesn't

577
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: mean it's necessarily elevating woman. It's just like the home

578
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: is their place. So it's like kind of a double

579
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: edged sword because they do run ship, but also it's

580
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: like they run ship at home. Um. But I don't

581
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: know because even like my great aunt, she's like the

582
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: first female architect in Taiwan, and so she worked, so

583
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: it's not like she's home because she didn't work, but

584
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: like at home, it's like everything is about her. So

585
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: I think there's like this more emphasis on the woman

586
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: at home for sure in Chinese culture. Frankly, I found

587
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: it refreshing that to have a patriarchal, we didn't need

588
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: to man. Yeah. And then Eleanor also met her husband

589
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: at Cambridge, like they were college friends, so she gave

590
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: up like a promising law career to support her husband.

591
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: So I think that also means, I guess in the

592
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: subtext is that she was so smart and brilliant that

593
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: she was able to help her husband grow her business,

594
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: which was the acceptable gendered role at the time. Um,

595
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: but that without you know, her backing him, maybe like

596
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: the Young Empire would not have been as successful as

597
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: it was. That kind of seems like the implication. Yeah, yeah,

598
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it's interesting because um, I did notice

599
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: that too, and I think it felt for me that

600
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: felt more authentic, um not having the grandpa around or

601
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: the the dad's around. But also because it's a story

602
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: about the mom and the daughter. And I think even

603
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: though that's universal specifically with an ancient culture, like the

604
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: in law relationship is also very unique because there is

605
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: always like a lot of conflict with that, especially because

606
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: oftentimes they end up living with you and so then

607
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: it's like two women of the house and the sun,

608
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: and that's like a common living situation, and so even

609
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: in circumstances where it's not like a huge difference in

610
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: like socio economic class and stuff like that. Is there

611
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: still like kind of like a lot of tension in

612
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: a lot of those scenarios. Yeah, I think so my

613
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: mom doesn't get along with my dad mom, and I

614
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: see it a lot in other places to feel like that.

615
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: The inlaw thing that is like a univer I don't

616
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: think they always have to live with you, but there's

617
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: kind of an expectation if you're the oldest son, like

618
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: your mom will live with you as you get older,

619
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: got it. And so there's like you're taking on caring

620
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: for someone that's not your mom and maybe resenting a

621
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: little bit because you can't, like you can't take on

622
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: your mom right because it's not right to do that

623
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 1: because you're actually in Chinese, like we did differentiate, like

624
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: your grandma and your mom's side's called white pool and

625
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: why means outsider, So within the word you're if you're

626
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: a woman, you're considered an outside of your own family.

627
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: So if you marry a man, you're always going to

628
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: be referred to as outsider within your family, even by

629
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: your kids. Not your kids, but like your kids kids

630
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: call you like outside grandma, so there is like this

631
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: in bed it Um idea that like the woman's side

632
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: of the family, you're an outsider, and so that's why

633
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: there's so I think there's so much tension because like,

634
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: let's say you have to take care of your husband's

635
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: mom and then meanwhile, you're you treated like an outsider.

636
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: You're never going to be part of the family, and

637
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: you can't even treat your mom because you've married out

638
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: of your family. So now you're not You've left your

639
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: family to take care of another family. And Eleanor does that,

640
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: especially by handing Nick over for the amma to raise,

641
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: because she knows that she's the outside person, so she

642
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: essentially she gives her son up to the family. And

643
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: so that's also an interesting thing too because that means

644
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: like the powers kind of like passed between the women

645
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 1: and the generations, like the Ama is the one who's

646
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: going to determine the favorite of the next in line

647
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: and when when the grandfather's gone. So that's also like

648
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: a cool thing that they did in the movie. I

649
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: liked it. Yeah, yeah, that's all very fascinating. Yeah, a

650
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: question I had and when we were briefly having technical difficulties,

651
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: we were discussing it a little more. Is the various accents? Oh, yes,

652
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: can we talk? Because I genuinely just have no context

653
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: for any I was like, okay, some people have British accents.

654
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: And then and then, and I think a lot of

655
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 1: people who learn British English or the Queen's English because

656
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: Singapore was like a colony. It doesn't want me. But

657
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: the accents, I thought, you talking about Chinese accents. So

658
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: many of the Chinese accents are so bad, Like Nick

659
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: Young's Chinese Mandarin is horrendous, and Rachel's is pretty bad.

660
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: That's okay, that's normal for an ABC. But um, I

661
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: think the Grandma had the best. I think she's Taiwanese.

662
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: She sound in Taiwanese the way she spoke Mandarin, which

663
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: they're not Taiwanese. But a lot of I don't know,

664
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: that's not what I'm used to. But Mamas from joy

665
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: Lot Club, Oh that makes sense. But so much of

666
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: the Mandarin was just bad. And I was like, and

667
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: then the Asian accents, like the Singaporean accents like very

668
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: specific to and not a lot of the actors had

669
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: like the Singaporean accent because it was like a really

670
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: international cast you know. Ronnie's Australian, a Pinus from Queens,

671
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, and Nico Santos is from like here, I think, right, yeah,

672
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: he's a Berry. And then Jimmy Oh Yang's also you know,

673
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: it's crazy and in like literally every single movie right

674
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: now too. He's also in the Melissa McCarthy puppet movie. Yes,

675
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: that's so funny. I love the pigs and valleys for

676
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: Jimmia Yang past couple of weeks. If you watch Chinese soaps,

677
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: whenever they have like a white character, she's just like

678
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: very caricature, like blonde girl whatever, and she's usually some

679
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: sort of like either like hot model or like evil girl.

680
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: It's like she's either like really great or really bad.

681
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: But usually their accents are bad too, so it goes

682
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: both ways. I think they're just like, well, people here

683
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: don't speak English. It's usually like a ustern European person

684
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: because closer maybe I don't know whoever is available in

685
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: Taiwan Hollywood, but it'll be like I don't know what

686
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: you're doing, like that's not an American. But they'll be

687
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: like she just flew in from New York. No she

688
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: did not. I'm mean, I'm more forgiving. I guess because

689
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: they do it there too, and whatever. Yeah, accents in

690
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: all Hollywood movies, I mean, even like American dialect, accents

691
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: in Hollywood movies can be very like you're supposed to

692
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: be from where. Every time there's a Boston accent in

693
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: a movie, I need just get furious in my head spins.

694
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 1: You know, what's a good Charlie from Stranger Things as British,

695
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: but I feel like his I didn't know this when

696
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: I watched. I did know he was arrested for cocaine possession.

697
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: He's a trouble young boy. Oh no, okay, we've got

698
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: to take a break. We're gonna go rescue Charlie from

699
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: STUPENTI from this coke pile. We'll be right back, and

700
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: we're back Rachel. I mean, I love Rachel. She's constant

701
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: woo is amazing. But um, Rachel's character, I thought, especially

702
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: for the rom com genre, Um, we've sort of touched

703
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: on it already, but like kind of is as stand

704
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: out for like you're saying to Resent, like we don't

705
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: have that meet cute scene. It's like clearly betrayed that

706
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: she has a career that makes sense, which never happens

707
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: in right, it's always like she is our curator, like

708
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: I worked for a magazine, fashion magazine. Right, She's like

709
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: I own a bakery, but my house is huge. So

710
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: that like that trap is kind of like where she

711
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: has this successful career. She's like the youngest faculty member

712
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: at NYU. She's like, she's like very impressive. They go

713
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: to great links to make you know that she is

714
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: like smart, capable, etcetera. And and we have a very

715
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: well fleshed out background for her as well, where we

716
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: meet her mother. We learned about like the interpersonal dynamics

717
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: of her family. We see do we see friends that

718
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: are just her friends or she mostly meeting I think? Right, right,

719
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: I mean and and so it's I think especially for

720
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: this genre, she's like a well written character that we

721
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: know more about them we would know about the average

722
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: rom com lead. Yeah, she has a lot of agency,

723
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: and I like that her next relationships very honest, Like

724
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: after the fish gutting, she just tells him and she's like, yeah,

725
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: it was gross. But I feel like even like in

726
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: real life, a lot of people be like, well, I

727
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: don't want to mention it done getting the satisfaction, but

728
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: it's like, no, should tell you should tell him? And

729
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: he is surprisingly unlike many you know, male love interests

730
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: in rom coms, like he's not actively lying to her

731
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: or actively manipulating her or the beginning, well he withholds

732
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: information with yeah, But I mean he's also very committed,

733
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: which is also something that's really nice to see in

734
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: a male love interest because I feel like a lot

735
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: of rom coms are like back and forth, back and forth.

736
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,959
Speaker 1: Who likes people more? And he's always like very steadfastly

737
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: committed to Rachel and that's hot and does something that

738
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: men never do in movies in any genre, which is

739
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: apologized when they do something wrong, where it's like he

740
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: is laying at the beginning of the movie, but once

741
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: she is like, hey, you're lying, he's like, yes, I'm sorry,

742
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: and you're just like like it sucks that. It's such

743
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: a relief to see that. But there's so many I mean,

744
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: we just did an episode on Ten Things I Hate

745
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: About You where like the lie last the whole movie

746
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: and then at the end she asked for an apology

747
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: and he led her cuts her off by like making

748
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: out with her, So you know, men don't apologize in

749
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: the movies, so it's rarely nice to see his character.

750
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: We also don't know what he does. In the book,

751
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: he's a professor, but also in the book, speaking of line,

752
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: so Amanda, his ex is mentioned in the movie, but

753
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: in the book, um, she is an ex and he

754
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: had a threason with her and one of the other

755
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: girls was on the bast trip. So they bring it

756
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: up in the book and uh, and it's like, that's

757
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: why Michel so pissed because you didn't he didn't tell

758
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: me that your ex was coming, but you didn't tell

759
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: me this childhood friend of yours that you mentioned was

760
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: a girl. You got a threesome with your ex, and

761
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: they all want to marry you, so they hate me.

762
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: She deserved a heads up about all of Yeah. Yeah,

763
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: so we don't In the book he's a professor. In

764
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: the movie, we don't even We know like what Rachel

765
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: does and that she's very good at her job, and

766
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: then like Nick is just the guy that she's writ Um. Yeah,

767
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: I liked Nick's character a lot, but there he does

768
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: at certain points fall into the trappings of like man

769
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: who withholds conversation and then it's like, whoops, might be

770
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: you're already Matt, you know. But he does apologize, which

771
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,479
Speaker 1: I don't even want to give him too much credit

772
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: for it, but that never happens in and she makes

773
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: him wait for it, like she is obviously heartbook, but

774
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: she didn't take it him back right away. So I

775
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: like that he apologized and has to deal with the consequence.

776
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: It's like has to work for it, as should everyone. Right,

777
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: we're going next. We've talked a lot about Eleanor, but

778
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: is there are there any thoughts on Eleanor that we

779
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: haven't For some good, she's like in everything, I feel

780
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: like she's such a like acclaimed actress. Yeah, I thought

781
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: that character was really well written, just like even the

782
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: idea of her having been treated that way and still

783
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: doing it, it's very accurate. Like I tweeted something my

784
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: mom used on Twitter, just a joke about how like

785
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: my mom was really hard on me growing up or whatever,

786
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: and she saw it and then responded like because I

787
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: told her, I was like, it's a joke. I don't

788
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: think you're hard on me. Whatever she might listen to anyways,

789
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: but you know, I was like, obviously, it's like a

790
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: joke about having high expectations, even though I know it's

791
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: for the best. And then she made a joke back

792
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: and she was like, oh, well, like I'm not like that,

793
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: but you did, you know my mom was like that,

794
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, but you are like that, but

795
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: she said my grandma once my mom brought home like

796
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: a test and she said she did the best out

797
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: of seven kids. And then my grandma's answer was like,

798
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: why didn't you get Yeah, but I guess it's like

799
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: the cycle, like an Eleanor character kind of embodies that,

800
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: Like she was treated that way, but it didn't make

801
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: her more sympathetic. It made her actually harder because she

802
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 1: in her mind she's like, oh, you have it easy.

803
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: I had it harder. But she's doing the same thing. Right.

804
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: If you kind of compared this movie to something like

805
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: Meet the Parents, which has a similar premise in terms

806
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: of just like you know, meeting your future in laws

807
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: kind of thing in a standard like you know, Hollywood

808
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: Garden Variety romcom like that, Robert Nero's character is like

809
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: pulling out all the stops to like make sure he's

810
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: like sabotaging men Stiller, and it's just like really goofy

811
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: and like silly in a lot of ways. Whereas, like

812
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: with Eleanor's character, like she's very grounded and it doesn't

813
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: resort to these like really stupid silly moment. I mean,

814
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: I mean there maybe there's going to be a movie

815
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: like that, but in this case, it's just like, yeah,

816
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: like you can see where she's coming from, Like you

817
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: can tell based on her background and her upbringing and

818
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: her like just that cultural context. Like even if we

819
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: don't agree with her, we're still like, yes, this makes sense,

820
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: like this, this tracks for her character, and yeah, she's

821
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: developed really well. I think thinking of another in laws

822
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: movie I was like, which apparently is a subgenre of movies,

823
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: we receive Monster in Law and right where that is

824
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: such a like classically like woman on woman Haiti, and

825
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: the reasons given are very vague, and it's just like

826
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: you just know by the poster that it's going to

827
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: be Jane Fonda yelling at j Low for two hours.

828
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: And if you choose to see that, then you choose

829
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: to see that. But and and so anytime there's like

830
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: a future daughter in law, mother in law or even

831
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: just like any woman and woman conflict in a big movie,

832
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, boy, like this could fall into so

833
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: many like tropes, but like you were saying, Caitlin, like

834
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: we've been talking about in general, it's just like everything

835
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: is so grounded and we're given all the information we

836
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: need to understand, and both characters grow and have a

837
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: better understanding of each other by the end. And it

838
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that is like a very well managed

839
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: conflict between women in movies were usually if we're given

840
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: almost nothing, well the two characters are written as the

841
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: conflict is sort of central to how they understand themselves,

842
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: and I think that's what makes the conflict feel so grounded.

843
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: It's not like like you were saying vague reasons like

844
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: I don't like your hair color like that that a

845
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: reason to fight, or like the color of the wedding

846
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's really how they see themselves in the world.

847
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: And when that point of view clashes, that's when you

848
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: get these really strong, you know, moments, but you also

849
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: just understand what both of them are coming from speaking

850
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: of like I mean bringing it back to the beachdal

851
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: test like because even though they're fighting kind of of

852
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: a man, they're not quite because it's like they talk

853
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: even in that dumplings thing they're talking about like career

854
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: and tradition and like values, so indirectly, like Nick is

855
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: wrapped up in that as an example of values, but

856
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: like replace it with anything else, Like Rachel wants something

857
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: that Eleanor has and their values are clashing, so it's

858
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: like it's not really about the man. It's about like

859
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: what does Rachel value, is it? Like their passion and

860
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: happyness and love, and Eleanor is like, no, no, you

861
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: value hard work and building relationships and sacrifice. Sacrifice, That's

862
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: what love is. It's sacrifice. It's giving up what you want.

863
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: So therefore you should give up what you want so

864
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: I can have what I want. Like that's kind of

865
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: like what she's saying, yeah, and so I don't think

866
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: it really is about the man, even though indirectly, Yeah, yeah,

867
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: I see what you mean, right, And like Jaman you

868
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,959
Speaker 1: were saying, like oftentimes, if there is an antagonistic female relationship,

869
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: it's usually because like one woman will just hate another

870
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: woman simply because she's a woman and she sees her

871
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: as competition. Or you know, it's if we see like

872
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: a high school movie where there's like just like pettiness

873
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: between two women, it's never really established why that is.

874
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: Or like there's no background or context given as to

875
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: like why two female characters might not like each other.

876
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: It's usually just like relying on, you know, the stereotype

877
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: of you know, Hollywood being like, hey, you know how

878
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: girls can't get along, Well, here's a movie about it.

879
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: So to me, even though this is largely a story

880
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: about kind of what starts out as an antagonistic relationship

881
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: between two women, it's not what we usually see in movies.

882
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: It's like we said, it's there's the context that explains

883
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: why they are butting heads. It's more of a difference

884
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: of like values than it really is like them, you know,

885
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: fighting over a man, which is weird to say because

886
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: one of them is his mom. But but yeah, it's

887
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: like I think it's handled much better than it normally is.

888
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: It's like a double wind too, because it's like you

889
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: not only have a very well written female conflict, because

890
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: there is like sometimes in the wide ways there are

891
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: to criticize movies now and the different mediums to do

892
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like it gets lost and I've I've

893
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: definitely read is it Gillian or Jillian Flynn? Is it

894
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 1: Gillian Flynn? I thought it was Jilly Gillian. I don't

895
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: know for the purposes of this little sound bite, it's Jillian,

896
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: but she wrote this great thing about like having female

897
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: characters in conflict and how because it's never historically been

898
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: written very well. Um, there was sort of like this

899
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: prevalent criticism that was like, there just shouldn't we just

900
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: shouldn't show women in conflict at all. And it's like, no,

901
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: you can and should have women like that happens in

902
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: the world all the time, but just don't not give

903
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: us any context for why it's happening. And so seeing

904
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: it effectively written and it's but it's grounded and who

905
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: they are as people like it just I don't know,

906
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: it's great and it's some of the best things in

907
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: the movie. What do you guys think of Araminta the

908
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: girl getting married? Um? Oh so for her? For me,

909
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: I think it's she I don't know if she's complicit

910
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: in like the really horrible treatment that like Rachel receives

911
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: Allah like aromantous friends, who is kind of a fish

912
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: in her bed right because she knows about she feels

913
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: like she's a good example of trying to write. She yeah,

914
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: like they write varieties of types of rich people and

915
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: I feel like she's almost like when she's not the

916
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: worst kind, but she's kind where it's like they get

917
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: off scott free because they're not actually being horrible, so

918
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: in comparison, they're good, but they also are obviously turning

919
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: blinders to other people who aren't privileged, Like they're the

920
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: kind of people who are like, oh, poor people make

921
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: me sad like that exactly, like every once in a while,

922
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: like her extravagant party and then she's like, I'm gonna

923
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: be cute to invite Rachel, but also like maybe funny,

924
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: but I'll stay out of it. Right, she creates the

925
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: environment for the conflict to happen, and she's like, conflict,

926
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: this happened drama at the party. I think she's kind

927
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: of I don't know if she's actually based on Angela Baby,

928
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 1: but do you guys know who Angela Baby is. She's

929
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 1: like one of the most famous people in China. She's

930
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: just like she looks kind of like what a computer

931
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: program version of a perfect Chinese person would look because

932
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: she's got so much classic surgery. But she's just like

933
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: on everything. And her wedding was like three times Kim

934
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: Karre's wedding or something I think she's in some big

935
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: Hollywood movies, but she has like very yeah, not a

936
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: lot of words, very CG. Yeah, but they'll put her

937
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: and stuff to sell tickets. Got and she's like that

938
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: she like four wedding dresses and like a carouse al

939
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: wedding cake and stuff like that. So yeah, and Aaron

940
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: and just character was one of the few characters in

941
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: this movie that to me, like I saw it and

942
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: registered just like, oh, that's a round com stock character

943
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: that's being used in this movie. Another one that I

944
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,959
Speaker 1: felt like was very I think Killen. We talked about

945
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: this after the movie. Aquafina's brother and who's like it's

946
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: funny because he's a pervert and he's trying to take

947
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: pictures of her naked, Like that is such a com trope.

948
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: That was like, alright, I guess that's like Aquafina. Ever

949
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: she's they're noticing it happening, and she's never like hey, brother,

950
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: like stop that that's gross and creepy, Like no one

951
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: challenges it, and it's just that was like the one

952
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: part of the movie I was like, oh, to take

953
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: a pictures of a naked not naked, but like always

954
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: he's stopped. Yeah, like just the stockerd narrative in that character.

955
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: I thought it was because he was going to post

956
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: on social media, but I guess that makes more sense

957
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: that he just wanted it first collection I thought he

958
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: was that's that's what it seems like at first. Either way,

959
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: he's taking photos of her without her permission, over and

960
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 1: over and over, and then there's a scene where she's

961
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: like lying in bed with her mom and they're having

962
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: this big heartfelt moment, and then like the button of

963
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: that scene is like him taking the pictures and they're

964
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: just like, oh you how long have you been there?

965
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: A short while? And they're like t and it's like

966
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: he's invading scene. And especially that coming to the button

967
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: at the end of a really well done scene about abuse,

968
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: like and here's this creepy boy I'd taken. I was like,

969
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: get out of here? Why are It was totally really weird.

970
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: It was yeah, I was like who lets you know?

971
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, jed Apata right the ending to this,

972
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: let's just see what how right Ken John's character and

973
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: that the end of that scene. The other super Stock

974
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 1: character I really liked was the film producer and his

975
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: his trashy girlfriend's fun comedic. He's like producing a movie

976
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: where like his girlfriend is tied up and like a

977
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: guy is like nearby like fighting. It's like, what is

978
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 1: this the end of Spider Man two mentioned, So, yeah,

979
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,479
Speaker 1: are meant to just read to me as like, yeah,

980
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: like this is like kind of a less written out

981
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: roumcom character. Yeah, she's a little plotty because everyone's going

982
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: to her wedding too, so she's kind of disturbing story. Um,

983
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: let's talk about Astrid. She is the i would say,

984
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: other main female character with like kind of her own

985
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: story arc, and it's there partly to sort of like

986
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: mirror what's happening with Rachel and Nick, because she is

987
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: this like rich like charity organizer, socialite like fashion icons

988
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: five at the beginning, but she's like Nicks like one

989
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: relative that he's really bonded with and like they're actually

990
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: like friends and stuff like that, and then she and

991
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: Rachel will kind of forge a friendship over the course

992
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: of the movie. But then so her main storyline is

993
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: she discovers that her husband, who was like a military

994
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: officer I think that's the captain in the army Michael,

995
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: but like does not come from a wealthy family so

996
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: that was like caused for some controversy. And you know

997
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: the family where like he married into money, she married

998
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: like a poor guy. Yeah, so for her, I have

999
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts about her. I don't feel like

1000
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: she's as innocent as she tries to act like. I

1001
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: think she's the kind of person who wants to be

1002
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: so perfect. She has done all the right things, went

1003
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: to the right school, whatever, it looks beautiful. But I

1004
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: don't think she's like like, I think she wants to

1005
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: be with a man of lower status, even though she

1006
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: would never say that to him, but because she enjoys

1007
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 1: being high status and she enjoys being not wrong, so

1008
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: she I think in her mind is like maybe I

1009
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: think in her mind she's like, he would never stray

1010
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: because look what he gets, Like in no world would

1011
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: he ever get this, and I'm giving it to him,

1012
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: and so it hurts more when he strays. But then

1013
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: when he does stray, she can't be wrong because nobody

1014
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: will be like, oh what does she do wrong? Because

1015
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: it's like, no, she's like hot, rich, famous and perfect

1016
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: and smart, So he must not be a man, he

1017
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: must be insecure. It must be his fault. And I

1018
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: think she builds that situation purposefully or maybe subconsciously. But

1019
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: I think she's the kind of person who wants to

1020
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 1: be always right and always perfect, and that's why she's

1021
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: not actually that innocent. And there's yeah, there's like hints

1022
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: of that in the movie in fact, like her husband's

1023
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: even like you always have to be like the prettiest,

1024
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: most port Like you're not like reacting to learning that

1025
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: I'm having an affair because like you can't be bother

1026
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: is he having a fair hot take hot Michael take.

1027
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: I'm not one to be a Michael apologist, but I mean,

1028
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: I definitely see what you're saying. That was something that

1029
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: I remember being like presented more effectively in the book.

1030
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: Maybe there just wasn't enough time for it in the movie.

1031
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: It's already a two hour movie. They didn't get too

1032
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: much into it. But I think the credit sequence they

1033
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: have a quick sneak peek about her running into Charlie,

1034
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: which is her ex um But I think in the

1035
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: book she's not having an affair, but she keeps talking

1036
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: to Charlie about how she thinks Michael's having an affair,

1037
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: and it's like you're hiding the fact that you're talking

1038
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: to your ex from your husband, and this is your

1039
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: ex that you almost married. So who is actively in

1040
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: love with you? And who you know that? Which is

1041
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: not like covered in the movie at all. Yeah. Actually,

1042
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: I mean she didn't really have as much to do, no,

1043
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: but I think she wants to be not wrong, So

1044
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: I think she talks, you know, if she's talking to

1045
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: her X was in love with her, complaining about her marriage,

1046
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: she gets to then be the hero of that story

1047
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: to him. She gets to be rescued too. I appreciate

1048
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: her presence in this story. And I don't know if

1049
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: this was done purposefully or not by like the writer

1050
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: and the filmmakers, but her being in the story and

1051
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: making like forming a friendship with Rachel sort of balances

1052
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: out the antagonistic relationship that she's having with Eleanor. So

1053
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: if you the only female relationship you saw in the

1054
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 1: movie was Rachel and Eleanor, we might be like, oh,

1055
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: that's like there's other options. Um, So, I mean we

1056
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: get that relationship, we get her relationship with Aquafina's character,

1057
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 1: we get a relationship with her mom, right, the whole

1058
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: spectrum of woman interaction. But I think because she's like

1059
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 1: so rich and like, you know, this like high status woman.

1060
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: She could easily you know, ignore or pay no mind

1061
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: to Rachel. But the fact that she's like, I'm going

1062
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: to make an effort to actually like be her friend, uh,

1063
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: I think is like maybe a conscious effort to be like, hey, look,

1064
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: rich people can be nice too. But he cares a

1065
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: lot about her image, Like she invited Alma to the

1066
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 1: wedding after Michael left her so that nobody would wonder

1067
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: why Michael wasn't there, and that's why she walked in

1068
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: with Alma. That's why Alma says, that's why she says

1069
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: thank you to her Alma when they're walking down and

1070
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, she never comes, And so that's

1071
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: like a hint to like how much she cares so

1072
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: much about image, she's like neglected her actual relationships. Yeah,

1073
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: I felt the Michael Asterid storyline felt I mean, I

1074
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: think it was just because it was like more addressed

1075
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: in the book, but like it it felt it felt

1076
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: weird in the movie a little bit where it's like

1077
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: I in the movie I like felt for Michael a

1078
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: little bit where it was kind of like cutting dry

1079
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: in a movie that it does very well with a

1080
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: nuance storyline there felt a little bit less like you

1081
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: cheated on me, yes, queen bye, like that was kind

1082
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: of but I really enjoyed her relationship with Rachel. Uh

1083
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: that was like presented awesome and seen with them on

1084
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: the beach and like where they're bonding and said and

1085
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, this is great and asked actually didn't

1086
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: want to go on the bachelorette party each other because

1087
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: she says to Michael, how would you feel if I

1088
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: came and worked at the office, and I was That

1089
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: was the scene where I was like, oh, this is

1090
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: like actually a real marriage. This isn't just like some

1091
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: pretty thing, because like she's offering to give up some

1092
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: like fabulous vacation time to spend time with her husband,

1093
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: and so when she's on the vacation, it very much

1094
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: feels like she's like giving up her husband. And the

1095
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: trip itself was wasn't something that she really wanted to do.

1096
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: It was like a constellation prize. So like then when

1097
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: when Michael says that like she never loved and I

1098
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: was like, well, dude, you haven't been paying attention, Like well,

1099
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: so I really do, Like, as I know, I'm going

1100
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: to be super hard on her but because I like

1101
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: her and she's the one that I feel like I'm

1102
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: the most aspirational too, like I would love to be

1103
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: in her shoes. But I also feel like I recognized

1104
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: her flaws of wanting to be this perfect image. But

1105
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: I also don't think that relation to her relation with

1106
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: Rachel is all that innocent. I think again, her wanted

1107
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: to be high status draws her to Rachel because she

1108
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: can be the nice high status because Rachel is a commoner,

1109
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: and so being around Rachel, she's kind of like immune,

1110
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: Whereas if she gets involved with the girls, she's not

1111
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: immune because they're of her level and so they can

1112
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: play Caddy with her too, and she could get hurt.

1113
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 1: And so I think that it was all very calculated.

1114
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: And I think even her offering to help out at

1115
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: the office is calculated because it would be taken as

1116
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: an active sacrifice, and she wants everything she does to

1117
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: be recognized as an active sacrifice. So I think, I

1118
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: don't know, like I really like her, but I also

1119
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm really hard on her because I feel like she's

1120
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: like this embodiment of like the sort of Chinese need

1121
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: to succeed and be perfect, but also being so privileged.

1122
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: You don't see how you are privileged. I don't know, right,

1123
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: she isn't perfect. Well, the fact that you're able to

1124
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: say so much about her means that she's written in

1125
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: such a way that you can actually clean this kind

1126
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,919
Speaker 1: of stuff, because so many female characters and movies are

1127
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: just like, we don't know anything about that person or

1128
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: her personality or her background or anything like that. So

1129
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: the fact that she is presented with different you know,

1130
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: choices and situations and that you are, you know, kind

1131
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: of reading. Also, she neglects her son, like they say,

1132
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: your son wants to see you, and she's like okay,

1133
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: and she's like reading some French and she doesn't understand,

1134
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: like she's already trying to make him into this perfect

1135
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: little international kids, Like I think you just don't have

1136
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: to spend time with you, Like she was shopping all day,

1137
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: like spending a million dollars on ear rings. Come on, also,

1138
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: I want herrings were really nice? Yeah? Should talking about Picklin? Yeah,

1139
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: Aquafina love her. Yeah, I mean she's like the kind

1140
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: of stock like comic relief best friend character as you

1141
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: see in many potoms. They're like, oh, we're going to

1142
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: hire a stand up to do this, like her main

1143
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: contributions to the story I think are making sure that

1144
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: Rachel looks the part basically. So there is the scene

1145
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: early on where she gives her address to wear to

1146
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: the party at Alma's house, and then later there's the

1147
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: makeover scene. About the makeover scene, I can't wait for

1148
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: the Crazy Rotations episode. Comma this is I mean, for me,

1149
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: this is just a trapping of the genre that could

1150
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: have been avoided but wasn't. I don't know. I didn't

1151
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: hate it. I don't have a good montage. Yeah, it's fine.

1152
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like the thing about this particular makeover

1153
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: scene that wasn't I don't know like it. It didn't

1154
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: bother me where our mentions got flooded about like red

1155
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: flag makeover scene. But the way this one is done,

1156
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: I feel like, if it's like, Okay, we have to

1157
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: have a makeover scene, there has to be a montage

1158
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: scene whatever. Some good looks are seen, but it's not

1159
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: like the Princess Diaries makeover scene, where it's like you're

1160
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: becoming another person and we're stripping you of your identity,

1161
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: which is what so many makeover your scenes are coated

1162
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: as of like you know, take off the glasses, lift

1163
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: up your tips, like the whole not enough, You're not

1164
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: good enough, stops using three syllable words, like the whole

1165
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: thing like it's a personality make over to where this

1166
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: was sort of just I don't know my reading. It

1167
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: was like, all right, she just needs a nice dress

1168
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: for the wedding. That's true, though the whole thing is

1169
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: like you're not gonna be enough, and she's like, just

1170
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: watch me become a different person, right right? What if

1171
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: she just shut up in sweatpants? Was like, I am enough.

1172
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm so enough that I'm going to scale back. How

1173
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: enough I am? I? Well, so we'll talk about the

1174
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: makeover scene in a second, but I do kind of

1175
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: wish One of my issues with this movie is that

1176
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: I wish Rachel who has a PhD and e con comics,

1177
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: who's an expert in game theory, which admittedly I don't

1178
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: know what that is. I should have googled it, but

1179
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: I literally always gave very in dating all the time.

1180
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: Well you gotta use it. It's all about a pickup

1181
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: artisses the game. No, I don't mean it that way,

1182
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: but I'm your emotional losses. It's not about like like

1183
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: trying to pick up people. But it's like the game

1184
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: theory is just like in all the options and deciding

1185
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: like all the outcomes and the word and then going

1186
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: off the worst instead of the best. Right, So then

1187
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: the world if I hide how I feel the worst

1188
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: case scenarios, I'm always going to be lying to myself.

1189
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: So then no matter what, even if you tell the

1190
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: truth then it hurts, it's still better than the one

1191
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: where you're lying to yourself. That's how I use game theory. God, interesting,

1192
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: I should try that if I ever date again. Um So,

1193
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: Rachel is an ECON professor, so she knows about economics.

1194
01:03:56,120 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: She surely knows that capitalism is maybe not the best thing.

1195
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: So I what I wish for this movie is that

1196
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: she just did a little bit more to challenge just

1197
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: the extravagance and the real the wealth and the opulence

1198
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: and all of that, because I mean, anyone who gets

1199
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: that rich has exploited people. They have probably not done

1200
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: some great things maybe, And that doesn't seem like they're

1201
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: aside from Asterid, they don't seem to be that charitable.

1202
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: They seem to just be kind of hoarding their wealth

1203
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: and time, like Aquafina. I think at one point says

1204
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: like that house is two hundred million dollars, like that's crazy.

1205
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: So I just wish that maybe in a in a

1206
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: perfect world, Rachel would have been like, hey, you guys,

1207
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: and all of your wealth, uh growth, like, maybe share

1208
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: some of this? I d k anyway, Um, basically I

1209
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: wanted Rachel to be a socialist icon. So back to

1210
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: the makeover scene. So we talked in the I think

1211
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: it was the Aladdin episode. I think we made them

1212
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: as sake of saying that it's kind of rare to

1213
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: see a movie about a lower status or lower class

1214
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: woman getting together with a higher status guy, but that

1215
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: that we weren't right about that that was busted because

1216
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: there are plenty of movies like that, this one being

1217
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: one of them, Cinderella, Pride and Prejudice and these all

1218
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: that Manahan, Pretty Woman, My Fair Lady, Slash Dance. You know,

1219
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: there's kind of different examples coming to America, but in

1220
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: many of these examples, the woman does have to get

1221
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: a makeover or kind of lie about her status to

1222
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: be more appealing to the man. So in Crazy Rich Asians,

1223
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: the makeover, as we said, isn't it's literally just to

1224
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: be like, hey, there's not even a makeover, it's it's

1225
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: a dress trying on montage so that I can wear

1226
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: a nice dress to the wedding that I've been I've

1227
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: been planning to go to, and it's not built around

1228
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: a lie. Exactly happens. Yeah, it's not like I need

1229
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: to make myself more physically appealing to the man so

1230
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: that he will realize that he loves me. But in

1231
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: movies where it's a like lower status man who ends

1232
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: up with an upper status woman, and we see that

1233
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: in things like Aladdin, Titanic, obviously, Wish wish, Um, the Notebook,

1234
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: lad in the Tramp, dirty Dancing, Look, I'm not really um.

1235
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: We see like in Star Wars with like Han and Leah,

1236
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: even like there's all these different examples. Usually in in

1237
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: those cases, the man doesn't really have to do much

1238
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: of anything to change rarely even changes his clothes. In Aladdin,

1239
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: yes he becomes a prince, but that I think is

1240
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: kind of an exception to the rule. The beast puts

1241
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: on that nice but he's already he's the rich one.

1242
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: He's the prince, and she and Bell is a commoner. Yeah,

1243
01:06:54,680 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: he's the dog the Dog Prince coming to CDs. Honestly, wait,

1244
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: really quick, scientist. Has anyone ever seen the Like Network

1245
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: series from the late eighties about Beauty and the Beast? Oh,

1246
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: the one produced by g RR Martin? Yes? Where, Oh

1247
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: my gosh, it's Ditty the Beast in late eighties New

1248
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: York City. Beauty is a high powered lawyer's best and

1249
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: she's Linda Hamilton's Yes, what the beast herminator boyfriend. The

1250
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: beast is what's his name? The guy from Sons of Anarchy?

1251
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: I can't remember Ron Pearlman Cowboys, so it's like hell

1252
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: boy Terminator, come boy it is. I won't say it's

1253
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: a good show. I'll say it is a wild ride,

1254
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: and I highly recommend him. He lives in a layer

1255
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: underneath the city, so Linda Hamilton's forced to come see

1256
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: him whenever she has trouble with a case. He's like

1257
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: growling amongst his books. Let me help a man. He's

1258
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,919
Speaker 1: the best. He's an actual beast. It feels like such

1259
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: a weird like, oh my god, like a furry entry.

1260
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: It feels like such like a focus group workshop show.

1261
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: It was like, Okay, people like beauty and people like

1262
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: lawyer's people like New York City. I just have to

1263
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Speaker 1: remind everyone that without that furry beauty and the Beast,

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01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: we would not have Game of Thrones because that's where

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01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: gry got started. Just a click hot Red so much

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Speaker 1: in the best TV series. It's real like he looks

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01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: like a Grench he does. The Beast looks very uncandy

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01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: belly in this show. Anyways, what a time to be alive.

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Speaker 1: To close the book on the dress montage scene, Um,

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01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: I didn't hate it. It's I think they're because you

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01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: can't have a romantic movie without people trying on different clothes.

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Speaker 1: But I think because it's unlike many movies where we

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01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 1: see a lower status woman having to basically change everything

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01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: about herself in order to be usually physically appealing to

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01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: the man, because so much of women's worth is attached

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01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: to their looks. Unfortunately, so for a woman in many

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01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: of these movies to be even a viable romantic option,

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01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 1: she has to take off her disgusting glasses and get

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01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 1: rid of her horrible pony tail and put on rich

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01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: people clothes. So that doesn't really happen in this movie.

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01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: It's really just her trying on some dresses. Could the

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01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: movie have done without it. Short, it's not a cornerstone

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01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: plot point of the film, so it easily could have

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01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: been gotten rid of and the movie would essentially be

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01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: no different a loot that we're talking about it. I

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01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: almost feel like maybe it is included because this is

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01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: a romantic comedy and that is such a familiar scene

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01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: in that genre, and so maybe it's just like the

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01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: movie's way of being like, Okay, here's this scene, but

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01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: it's not. There's not the same implied toxicity that this

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01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: scene would normally have. True. Well, before that scene, Rachel

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01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: says to Peck and she's thinking about not going to

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01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: the wedding, So the scene sort of serves that, I

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01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: think as like a supportive scene from her friends, like

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01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: that we're kind of arming you for the battle of

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01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: this wedding, Like this wedding is the thing that you

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01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 1: came to Singapore for. And so the closer like almost

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01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: like a symbol of how to get ready for something

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01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: as big as this, which is kind of nice, you know.

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01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 1: It's it's really it's like about her community helping her, right,

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01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 1: And that scene is part of a larger kind of

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01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:40,719
Speaker 1: sequence where before that they're like eating dinner and Picklin

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01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 1: is basically like gearing her up to be like you

1304
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: have to like you have to challenge this woman, like

1305
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: you need to show her that she that you're like

1306
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: a fighter, that you are enough. There's that whole like

1307
01:10:49,960 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: bock box thing. And then she said to the wedding yeah.

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01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 1: And then at the end of that scene, Rachel's like,

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01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 1: what are you doing tonight? She's like, I don't I'm

1310
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 1: probably just hanging out of FedEx. Funniest it I would say,

1311
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you doing? I got I

1312
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: guess do my send the mail? Doesn't take all night?

1313
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: I guess like myself up to do it and I

1314
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: might not even leave my bed so stressful thinking about

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01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 1: FedEx um. And then in the aftermath of the wedding

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01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: is Piglin again being a very supportive friend and you

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01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: know she goes to stay with her. I really like

1318
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: that friendship and how that all plays out. Yeah, so

1319
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: Makeover seen, you know, it's it's there. It's not the

1320
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: worst example we've ever seen. When did you guys first cry?

1321
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: In this? Okay, we are coming on what when I

1322
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: saw there? There are quite a few like kind of

1323
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: female gaze shots in this movie, where like when Michael's

1324
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: taking a shower and I just like it's like, but

1325
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: I love that because like Asian men, I feel like

1326
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: often are de sexualized in Hollywood. Soul they made a

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01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,600
Speaker 1: point to like almost so much where you like, I

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01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 1: get it, and they're like really linger on makeout scenes

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01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: to be like these are sexual beans. Like there's a

1330
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 1: lot of Asian people, what do you think they come from? Sex?

1331
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 1: It's also a trope in Asian dramas. There's always a

1332
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: shower scene to introduce a male love interest. In the

1333
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,759
Speaker 1: Asian drama, there's always like what who it is showering?

1334
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: You're just like, okay, I've seen it all, so it's

1335
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: like a nice nod, did that? So my Okay. We're

1336
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: coming off of our MoMA Mia episode in which I

1337
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: talk a lot about how I'm not a huge fan

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01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: of wedding culture. I you know, don't like a whole

1339
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: lot of what weddings are about. The wedding scene in

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01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: this movie made me cry each time I saw, each

1341
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 1: of the three times I saw it. It's really whenever

1342
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: the lights go down, like the illuminated little like fireflies

1343
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: or kind of and then it's it's so beautiful. This

1344
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 1: whole movie is very beautiful. When it really gets me,

1345
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: I know, it's crazy. I was like that scene, it's

1346
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: just like the number of wet facts taken to this room. Afterwards,

1347
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: it's when Nick mouth I love you and she mails

1348
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: it back, and I was just like, I've never cried

1349
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 1: at a wedding in real life. I've never cried at

1350
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: a wedding scene in any movie ever until this one.

1351
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: And I just don't know who I am anymore. So

1352
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: I cried a lot of the moms scenes. I cried

1353
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: at the wedding, but I was also thinking about wet facts.

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01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: It's like, I want to see the scene of the

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01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: poor people who have to clean this wedding, the pas

1356
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: so much like there's just so or like in the

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01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: world in the movie, like the janitorial staff were like, well,

1358
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: good for them, like like fire up their wet bags.

1359
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: H would see that short film. But anyways, cried at

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01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: the scene at the end between Rachel and her mom

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01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 1: and her mom just even when her mom showed up

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01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: and man, yeah, mom seems to make me cry. Mine

1363
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 1: was at the very end when Eleanor gives her that

1364
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 1: look it's like barely an acknowledgement but there's like just

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01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 1: so much in that moment or I was just like, yeah,

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01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:32,759
Speaker 1: they get it. It was I really like the restraint

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01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: that that scene showed too, because it could have been

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01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: like they met up again. Oh I'm so sorry for

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01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: being Oh it's okay, thank you for accepting me into

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01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: your family, and it's like none of that happened, none

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01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: of that needed to happen. That like classic and I

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01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: always cry at this the version of the scene as well,

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01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: where it's like you are my daughter now, but there

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01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:55,560
Speaker 1: You're right. There is a ton of restraint in that

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01:14:55,680 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 1: scene and is communicated with a look nice. Yeah. Is

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01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 1: there anything else anyone wants to say about the movie?

1377
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: Not too late to cast me in the sequel? It's

1378
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: dee say to you too, I'll be picking. So the

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01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: only white people you see in this movie who have

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01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 1: lines are being racist? Um, which is the British guys. Yeah,

1381
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: the British guys at the hotel at the beginning, except

1382
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: for the one white guy comes in and he's all

1383
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: like eleanor my friend here, let me sell you my hotel,

1384
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: So he's being nice. But other than that, really, the

1385
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: only white people you see are either being racist or

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01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 1: they are kind of just in the background, sort of

1387
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,719
Speaker 1: the scenery of the movie, much like people of color

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01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 1: usually are in most movies. So it's really refreshing. I

1389
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: think minorities to get to embody racism movies, that's usually

1390
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: right unfortunately. Um but yeah, so this is a movie

1391
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: where white people are treated the same way that people

1392
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: of color normally are in white stories. So that was

1393
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: a great kind of reversal. There was like an article

1394
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,879
Speaker 1: that said early on, when they're adapting, the scriptive producer

1395
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 1: asked Kevin if he would consider making Rachel white, and

1396
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: what the fuck that would be? Like a white girlfriend

1397
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: and going to see the crazy rich Asian world. I'm

1398
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 1: so glad they didn't do that. God. That's so of

1399
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: course some would be like, hey, just throwing this out.

1400
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: Have you thought about Emma Stone, Crazy Scarlet, a gal Story,

1401
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: the Holy Trinity Asian American actors? So oh god. Um.

1402
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 1: There's also been some um criticism about the erasure of

1403
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: South Asian people. I don't know exactly population wise what

1404
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: they comprise in Singapore, but we do see like a

1405
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: few brown people guards. Yeah, but that makes sense to

1406
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 1: me because the world, Like, again, I don't think this

1407
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 1: world is a free of criticism, Like they're really rich,

1408
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: privileged people, but I think their world is really elitist,

1409
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: so they probably do have a class thing. Yeah, and

1410
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 1: I feel like, totally it would be nice to see

1411
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: more movies about that. But totally it would have been

1412
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 1: weird if we then saw I don't know the workers

1413
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 1: or something and just like a serious scene about how

1414
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: it's really hard and the decades. I feel like vaccine, vaccine. Yeah.

1415
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean we do see the market and there is

1416
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: more diversity there. Yeah. I mean, if if anything, no

1417
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: movie isn't pervious to criticism. But to me, we just indicate, Okay,

1418
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 1: so we need more movies showing a wider range of

1419
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: different types of Asian people. Um, alright, well should we

1420
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 1: should we determine whether or not the movie passes the

1421
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 1: Bechtel tests, Yes we should, and yes it does A

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01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 1: million billion times a lot. I stopped counting. Right. There's

1423
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 1: a lot of different combinations, Um, Rachel and Araminta, Rachel

1424
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: and Pikulin, Rachel and her mom, Rachel and Eleanor. Although

1425
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:34,759
Speaker 1: I would say the vast majority of conversations between women

1426
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: are about nick Or, the subtext is that gets For example,

1427
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: like when Aramont is like, hey, come to my bachelorette

1428
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 1: party and Rachel's like, I'd love to. Does that pass

1429
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 1: the Bechtel tests because they don't specifically say a man's name.

1430
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: But she's saying, hey, come to the party that celebrates

1431
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: me being single before I marry a man. Kind of thing.

1432
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: We can fall We can fall down that rabbit a day. Um.

1433
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 1: But there are like whenever Rachel's like, piglin, you have

1434
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 1: a cocktail dress in your trunk and she's like, yeah,

1435
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm not an animal that passes. Are doing tonight? I

1436
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: don't know? Going to is my favorite? Passively they're like wow, okay,

1437
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: cool and her and the princess talk about something in

1438
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 1: the front. Yeah. They talked about micro loans and how

1439
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 1: how giving women micro loans uplifts the economy. So feminist

1440
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 1: icon princess whatever her name was, she had a name,

1441
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 1: and therefore it passes. Yeah, it passes a bunch of times.

1442
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: And and like we were saying, speaking to just like

1443
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: the way women are portrayed. I mean we see a

1444
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: lot of different types of relationships between women, which is

1445
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 1: good for any movie for sure, definitely, And a lot

1446
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: of twins and plantation. Oh, I remember the one thing

1447
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: I didn't say that was in the book that wasn't

1448
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,560
Speaker 1: in the movie. One, so that she has three Pecanese

1449
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: dogs in the movie. I don't remember what the first

1450
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: one was called, but it's like Rockefeller and Vanderbilt. But

1451
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 1: the third one in the book is named Trump, as

1452
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: they changed for the movie. Well, they do say like

1453
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: Piglin says, like, my mom like designed her house after

1454
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's back. That was funny. But I think they

1455
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: were like, we shouldn't have this dog named Trump. It's

1456
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,679
Speaker 1: so crazy because the book was written five years ago already. Yeah,

1457
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: Dystopia amazing. Let's write the movie on a nipple scale,

1458
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 1: where we rate based on its portrayal and representation of

1459
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: women zero to five nipples. Did you feel like how

1460
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 1: women are exists in Chinese culture was represented accurately by

1461
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 1: this movie or were there blind spots that were like

1462
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 1: missed because that was the one. I mean, when I

1463
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: was thinking about my rating, I'm like, I just like

1464
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 1: I have lower knowledge of like is this an accurate

1465
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: representation of women in this culture? I think they had

1466
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 1: a lot of different kinds of women in this culture too.

1467
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: In the movie, which I liked. I mean, Rachel's the

1468
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 1: classic like high achieving Asian American. Her mom is, you know,

1469
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: like an immigrant that came up through her own education.

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Speaker 1: And then there's the very wealthy people. I would say

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Speaker 1: there weren't enough average Asian representation, like people who were mediocre.

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Speaker 1: There were extraordinary Asians represented that was fine, But yeah,

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01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 1: I would say overall, did a good job. Yeah, yeah,

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01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 1: I don't feel like that, like I probably put like

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Speaker 1: a gay girl in there or something that a gay guy,

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01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: but they also exploited, didn't expecisely say who was gay.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it was applied. So I feel like

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01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 1: it's still very broadcast applied coded gay characters. Man, right,

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01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 1: we gotta say, yeah, well, the same with Oliver's character

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Speaker 1: is and mom listeners if we have any you know,

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Speaker 1: queer listeners that went away in about this Oliver character,

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Speaker 1: I think because he identifies himself as the rainbow sheep

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Speaker 1: of the family, I think that's to me, that's identifying

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Speaker 1: himself as being queer. Um. So I don't even know

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Speaker 1: if he's coded queer. I think he's like pretty explicitly

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Speaker 1: that way. He just he doesn't like scream I'm gay,

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01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 1: but you know by him staying rainbow sheep of the family,

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Speaker 1: I think that's him identifying himself as queer. I do

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01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 1: wonder if he sort of falls into sort of a

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01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 1: trope queer character, especially a gay man who loves fashion

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01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 1: and it's like all about like look at your earrings

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01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: and look at your shoes and dress and like. So

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01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 1: I also the Vita Rooster test came to mind, where

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01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, is there identifiably queer characters in the story.

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01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 1: Would removing them have an impact on the story? I

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01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 1: would argue with his character, it wouldn't make that much

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01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 1: of a difference, and that Paklin would basically take over whatever.

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01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: And again that was another thing where I'm like, this

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01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: is more of a failure of this genre that this

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Speaker 1: movie doesn't correct per se. Yeah, but I also think

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01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 1: it's a little bit like culturally, like that's probably that

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01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 1: if they started talking about it would just be its

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01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: own movie. But like I do think he I don't

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01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 1: know how accepting his family is of him being gay,

1505
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 1: So maybe that is one of the reasons he's kind

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01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 1: of marginalized in the story and also maybe indirectly like

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01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 1: to the main arc as well. Yeah, right, and just

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01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 1: like mainstream movies are still so hesitant to like have

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01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: out characters, right, I don't know, Like Rainbow Sheep, I do.

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01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:28,639
Speaker 1: I I agree that is identifying as queer, but it's

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01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 1: just like, I don't know. Yeah, it's still be handled better,

1512
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 1: still feels a little bit tropy, Yeah, for sure. So

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01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 1: then I guess from my rating, I'm going to give

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01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 1: it a four and a half. I mean, just the

1515
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: obvious wonderful that this movie exists in terms of its representation.

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01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 1: Hope to see many more movies like this to come.

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01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,720
Speaker 1: Hopefully this is the beginning of a large trend of

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01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: seeing many more Asian characters represented on screen, many more

1519
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: Asian stories mainstream Hollywood story. I think that the female

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01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: characters who we do get to know, which there are

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01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 1: quite a few, are developed well. They're written carefully. We

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01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 1: are given much more context and background for most of

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01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 1: them than we're usually afforded in most movies. I do

1524
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 1: wish that Rachel was a socialist and that she was

1525
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: meeting now she probably goes a brunch. Brunch is such

1526
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: a thing. But yeah, and I like that this movie

1527
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,600
Speaker 1: doesn't adhere to a lot of the tropes of a

1528
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 1: rom com and maybe because it's not even really a

1529
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: rom com, like it's not about the pursuit and the

1530
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 1: developing of that romantic it's a but Yeah, I think

1531
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 1: I would say most of the characters are developed well,

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01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 1: written responsibly. Four and a half nips? Who are you

1533
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: giving them too? I'm going to give two to Aquafina,

1534
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give to to Constance Wu, and I'll give

1535
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 1: my half nip to Oliver because I like his character too.

1536
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give us a four point to five. Yeah, yeah,

1537
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: because I just feel like, kick give a or then

1538
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 1: we'll feel like satisfied with ourselves and stop making movies.

1539
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 1: Keep you know, you gotta have a little bit of

1540
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 1: aspirational growth. It's Thetaan way. Yeah, the game theory, I

1541
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: felt like it was a really strong story, like really

1542
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 1: well written. All the women had an agency. I mean,

1543
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 1: obviously it's about love, so it's still going to go

1544
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:48,680
Speaker 1: back down to the idea of like being with a man,

1545
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:50,640
Speaker 1: but you know, it works with any you know, I

1546
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 1: didn't have to be a man. It's any relationship is

1547
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 1: hard and meeting the family's conflict and it's all about sacrifice.

1548
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:58,640
Speaker 1: So I didn't think him being a man and like

1549
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 1: control in her life was central to and he wasn't

1550
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 1: asking to control her life too, which is nice for sure.

1551
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:08,679
Speaker 1: Um so yeah, so I high high score. And also

1552
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 1: just Rachel is like, you know, I don't know, it's

1553
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 1: just like me privileged bitch. Are you giv to um? Yeah,

1554
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 1: I'll give up. Let's see, I'll give I'll give two

1555
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 1: to Constant Woo. I'll give one to Aquafina. Can I

1556
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: give one to the soundtrack. I really like the for it. Okay,

1557
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give one to the soundtrack. Great soundtrack, and

1558
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,599
Speaker 1: then i'll give I'll get the quarter to the director.

1559
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 1: I feel like you did a good job of realizing

1560
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:40,600
Speaker 1: the well rounded vision. Hell yeah, so I'm gonna be

1561
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 1: five nipples because everyone should see this movie again next weekend,

1562
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 1: trying to promote it as much as I can. Who

1563
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 1: would I give nipples to? I would give two to

1564
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 1: Adelaie Limb, the writer. I just didn't feel like there's

1565
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 1: such great um cultural stuff that she did. One to

1566
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: Constance Woo, went to Eleanor, went to I'm sorry Michelle

1567
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: the goddess Michelle, Yo, she's amazing, And then I would

1568
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,679
Speaker 1: agree with Teresa went to the soundtrack as well, because

1569
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: I think the soundtrack did this really good job of

1570
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 1: showing like the cultural dissonance of being Chinese in American

1571
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 1: and it kind of gave that to the white audience

1572
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 1: because it was familiar, but it was different at the

1573
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 1: same time. So I thought it did a great job.

1574
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 1: I want to take back one of my nips from

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01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 1: Constant to give it to Michelle tough Luck Conscious maybe

1576
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 1: next time go back here syndicated show. I'm gonna go

1577
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 1: four and a half. I really like this movie. I'm

1578
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: excited to see it again, like knowing everything we've talked about,

1579
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 1: it's like cool too, I don't know, just like I

1580
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: feel like it will be a slightly different, more informed viewing,

1581
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: which I'm excited for. The only half nip I'm docking

1582
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 1: it for is the times it falls into the rom

1583
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 1: com traps that I don't love as much, the creepy

1584
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 1: brother trope that the few things and I just wish that.

1585
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: And this is again a genre thing, but I wish

1586
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 1: that Picklin had more of an arc herself other than

1587
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 1: getting to see cool, rich people stuff. She's already rich

1588
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 1: right right where It's like she I felt there were

1589
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 1: like there was room in the story for her to

1590
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 1: have a small arc of her own, and that character,

1591
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, just didn't have it. And Aquafina is

1592
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 1: amazing and every scene and can do more. So I

1593
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: would have liked to see her be you know, allowed

1594
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,719
Speaker 1: to do more as a you know, comic relief character

1595
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 1: as well. Anyways, four and a half given too to

1596
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:34,639
Speaker 1: MICHELLEO because I love her, Giving one to Constance, give

1597
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 1: one an Aquafina, And I'll just toss my last half

1598
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 1: one out to Jimmy O Yang, who we didn't mention

1599
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,759
Speaker 1: the whole damn time. Bernard Tye. He wears shiny underwear.

1600
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: That's what we know about him. It's what we know,

1601
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 1: and he gets my half nip. Well, thank you so much,

1602
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 1: Teresa and Sita. What a treat, What a treat it's been.

1603
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Speaker 1: see this movie. Bye bye,