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Speaker 1: Troom two. Is this a great game or what?

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Speaker 2: And our special guest this week is our dear friend

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Speaker 2: Ken Rosehal who works for Fox, He works for the Athletic,

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Speaker 2: he works for about twenty other places.

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Speaker 1: I can't keep track of everything that Junior is doing here. Juniors,

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Speaker 1: say hi to Jeff.

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Speaker 3: Jeff, good to be with you, Tim, great to be

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Speaker 3: with you.

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Speaker 2: As right well as we know, Junior, this will be

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Speaker 2: the shortest podcast ever, and not in terms of time,

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Speaker 2: but because all three of us, I'm just under.

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Speaker 1: Five to five.

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Speaker 2: I think Junior is the same height as me, and

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey is a giant at five foot six. So uh,

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Speaker 2: we're about the three of us together, we're about as

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Speaker 2: big as Tyler glassdew agreed, Yes, agreed.

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Speaker 4: The nickname Junior?

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Speaker 1: Where does that go from?

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Speaker 3: Tim?

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Speaker 2: You might as well go ahead, Junior, tell tell Jeffrey

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Speaker 2: ware at all of our listeners.

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Speaker 1: Where why I call you Junior?

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Speaker 3: All right? I'm not exactly sure which of these answers

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Speaker 3: is correct, and this is what I'll be Tim to

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Speaker 3: help me. One reason is because when I started at

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Speaker 3: the Baltimore Evening Sun made it rest in peace, and

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Speaker 3: Tim was at the Morning Sun. Richard Justice was at

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Speaker 3: the Washington Post. I remember Richard calling me junior because

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Speaker 3: I was so young, and I looked even younger. I

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Speaker 3: Some people thought I looked like Cal Junior. But I

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Speaker 3: don't remember exactly which.

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Speaker 2: It was, right, that's all correct, because the mischievous Richard

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Speaker 2: Justice got us all in a lot of trouble along

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Speaker 1: I wanted to smack him a few times.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I did foul territory ones Junior.

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Speaker 2: This was recently and A. J. Prazinski says to me

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Speaker 2: is going. He goes, Tim when I say, Junior, what.

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Speaker 1: Do you think?

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Speaker 2: So I say Ken Griffy junior, Cal Ripkin junior, and

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Speaker 2: he goes, no, we mean Ken Rosenhal. So this is

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Speaker 2: how everybody knows who Ken Rosedal is through junior now,

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Speaker 2: because of our ridiculous name that we had for him,

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Speaker 3: So that's the story, Jeff, That's that's it.

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Speaker 1: So Jeff Dave Shinen, our dear friend.

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Speaker 2: He once asked me who would win in a fight

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Speaker 2: between Ken Rosenthal, Tim Kirchen and Enrique Rojas, who does

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Speaker 2: TV beautifully for Duports ESPN Deportis. And I think Enrique

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Speaker 2: I said, I don't know. I would finish third. So

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Speaker 2: Dave shine and says, I think Enrique would win. He

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Speaker 2: has a dark side.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean? Five to four? He weighs one

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Speaker 3: He's the nicest guy in the world. He's got like

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Speaker 4: So Ken, you are one of many. This is just

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Speaker 4: mind blowing to be the amount of people that cycled

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Speaker 3: Days, going through Baltimore.

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Speaker 4: But you guys have known each other how many years now,

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Speaker 4: It started way.

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Speaker 1: Back when it's forty years right.

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Speaker 3: It would be almost what he is, because I started

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Speaker 2: And Jeff's baseball really mattered in Baltimore, and as did

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Speaker 2: Right, Junior, tell Jeff what ed farmer nicknamed us while

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Speaker 2: it was a really perfect comparison there, uh speak. Speaking

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Speaker 2: of Frank Junior, Tell tell everyone. I've already told the story.

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Speaker 2: I want you to tell it now. The night that

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Speaker 1: This was a famous night.

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Speaker 2: Again, this is pre cell phones, this is pre internet.

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Speaker 3: I can see it to this day. We're in Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: I know what you're going through, is what he said.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to the President of the mister President, you got

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Speaker 2: Was so we called in this little bright box that

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Speaker 2: and he kept telling me, Yeah, the President called today.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Junior, he was always kid with us,

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Speaker 1: So finally he said.

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Speaker 2: Damn it, the President of the United States called me today.

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Speaker 2: And that's where we finally got That's what I knew.

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Speaker 2: He was actually serious that.

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Speaker 1: That had happened. Oh gosh, those were the days, Junior.

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Speaker 2: Tell Jeff about Jeff crowd the night that we covered

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Speaker 2: the only ten homer game by one team in Major

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Speaker 1: Tell that story.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so this actually was something that came back to me.

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Speaker 3: Of course, Tim and we were in Toronto, because when

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Speaker 3: They use it for soccer now. I think there are

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Speaker 2: Well. Also that you're talking about the Milwaukee game where

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Speaker 2: Right, and Jeff, the team was so bad that we

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Speaker 4: I'm just fascinated with what the both of you have

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Speaker 4: Where you were like, I don't know how I'm going

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Speaker 3: I remember this. We have these weird memories. But Jack

438
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Speaker 3: Morris had pitched ten scoreless innings to win Game seven

439
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 3: for the Twins, and I raised my hand, and again

440
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 3: I was at that point still pretty young and still

441
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 3: pretty inexperienced, and I asked Tom Kelly, the manager of

442
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 3: the Twins, who was a rip senior type, very rough,

443
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 3: and he said, I asked him, Tom, what would it

444
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 3: have taken to get Jack Morris out of this game?

445
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:54,719
Speaker 3: And he replied, A shotgun. I mean, that can't be tough, right.

446
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 3: And as for postgame, I guess the most memorable would

447
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 3: have been after to Freddie Freeman's grand slam walk off

448
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 3: grand slam in Game one, when I had the privilege

449
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 3: of interviewing him first for Fox, and it was just

450
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 3: a cool moment. I don't know that the questions were

451
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 3: so great, but of course he was so excited and

452
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 3: it was such a great historic thing that had happened. Now,

453
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 3: as for toughest questions, I remember one time there was

454
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 3: an All Star game, I believe in Cincinnati, it wasn't Cincinnati,

455
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 3: and they were honoring Pete Rose, and I had interviewed

456
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 3: Pete Rose after he came off the field he was honored.

457
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if I have all the details right here,

458
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 3: so if people are listening, and it wasn't there whatever,

459
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 3: but I had to asked him afterward, hey man, what's

460
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 3: up with you? You know, why don't you apolo? It

461
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 3: was all the things later, of course, and even at

462
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 3: that time were big questions for Pete and that wasn't easy,

463
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 3: and we kind of got into it during the interview,

464
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 3: not in a bad way. It was just a back

465
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 3: and forth. It wasn't to Jim Gray and or anyway

466
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: off you get confused with that one. But that was

467
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 3: a tough one because often with players like that Hall

468
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 3: of Fame type players and even active players, when they're

469
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 3: in the middle of it, when you've got to ask

470
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Speaker 3: them a tough question. We have such respect for these players.

471
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 3: We know what they've accomplished, we know who they are.

472
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 3: That can be a little bit tough sometimes, but you

473
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 3: have to do your job right.

474
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Speaker 2: And as for the Jack Morris interview, I did the

475
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: sidebar that night for Sports Illustrated and I had.

476
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Speaker 1: To do this thing on Jack Morris.

477
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 2: So I asked Randy Bush, who was on the Twins time,

478
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Speaker 2: what would have happened if Tom Kelly had tried to

479
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Speaker 2: take Jack Morris out of the game.

480
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Speaker 1: And he looks at.

481
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: Me and says, well, it would have been the first

482
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Speaker 2: time ever that a player killed his manager on the mound,

483
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 2: because Jack Morris would have killed Tom Kelly on the

484
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: mount before he was coming out of that game. So

485
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Speaker 2: all kidding aside, when we talk about Jack Morris, whether

486
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: he's a Hall of Famer or not, I know he's

487
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 2: got the highest dra of any Hall of Fame pitcher.

488
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Speaker 1: I get it. But if you watch that game, if

489
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Speaker 1: you knew him and you understood what.

490
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Speaker 2: He was all about, he certainly had a Hall of

491
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Speaker 2: Fame competitive nature.

492
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: That night was the perfect example.

493
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Speaker 2: And Junior back to the Sundays, by the way, just

494
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: we were on the front page every day, Jeff, for

495
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 2: all the years I was there, because the worlds were

496
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 2: so important. But just to show you how unimportant we were,

497
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: Phil Wood was doing a talk show Junior, and this

498
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 2: is in Baltimore, and this is in nineteen like ninety two,

499
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 2: and some guy calls up the talk show and goes,

500
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Speaker 2: I haven't seen Tim Kirchen's name of the paper for

501
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: a while.

502
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: Is he is he sick? Is there's something wrong?

503
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 5: And Phil said he left three years ago for Sports

504
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 5: Illustrators to this guy, so this thought that they're waking

505
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 5: up every morning he waited to see what I have

506
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 5: to write and what Junior has to write.

507
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: In some cases that was actually true, but in a

508
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: lot of other cases they were.

509
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: Three years late. He's been gone for three years. This

510
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: is how it worked.

511
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 3: And it wasn't like he had disappeared for Sports Illustrated,

512
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: which at the time was the place to be.

513
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 6: Right.

514
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 3: It was amazing, Right.

515
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: We had such a good time. All right, Junior, we

516
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: got to get to the World Series.

517
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: Since we're in twenty twenty five, now, just answer me

518
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: this because I have great respect for you and Tom

519
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 2: Ferducci always, and I've been a.

520
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: Sideline reporter, dugout report or whatever. I watch you to

521
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: every single night.

522
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: Walk around in a circle talking to yourself an hour,

523
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: an hour and a half before you do the open

524
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: on Fox. I've done the open on ESPN ten thousand times.

525
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 2: I understand how important it is. But tell the listeners

526
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: and don't be modest about this. What you go through

527
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: to make sure that you nail the open. You and

528
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: Ernuccier are the best at it. Tell us what that

529
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: is like.

530
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you say that, Tam. It's really nice

531
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 3: you to say that it's very hard. And I would say,

532
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 3: of all the things I do right now and maybe ever,

533
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: that is the hard. And it might not look hard

534
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 3: because it's only twenty to thirty seconds right as the

535
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 3: game is starting. But you can't miss, you can't stumble,

536
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: you can't forget what you're going to say. So, Tim's right,

537
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: we are walking around in circle talking abou ourselfs now. Also,

538
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: I usually have a pregame show hit as well, which

539
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: is longer than I have to I'm memris and kind

540
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 3: of have on point in addition to that one, but

541
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 3: that one before the game. What makes it so complicated,

542
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 3: well not complicated, but what makes it difficult is the

543
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: crowd is roaring the first pitch is about to happen,

544
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of excitement in the stadium and

545
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: Joe Davis will throw it down to me or Tom.

546
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: One of us will go first, the other we'll go second,

547
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: and we have It depends on the night. It depends

548
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: if we have like an opening with Sydney Sweeny or not.

549
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 3: How long we go, but it's usually twenty to thirty seconds,

550
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: not long. So part of the thing here is getting

551
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 3: the information you want into that amount of time, which

552
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 3: is difficult where writers we like to wax poetic and

553
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 3: there's not a lot of time to do that. And

554
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: the other part is simply nailing it. And the other

555
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 3: thing about this So as I said, there's the noise,

556
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 3: there's the pressure of you know, the game is about

557
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 3: to start. And with me at least, I don't know

558
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: if Tom feels this way. We do this thing at

559
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: Fox where the camera will be on me, I don't know,

560
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: or however long ten seconds, twenty seconds of that thirty

561
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: the camera then goes off me. And there are people

562
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 3: who've done television for a while who are used to this,

563
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: who are quite accustomed to it. When the camera goes

564
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: off me every time, I'm like in my head what

565
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: just happens? But you gotta keep telling. You can't just

566
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,239
Speaker 3: collapse and stop talking, and you get used to it.

567
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 3: But I don't know that I'll ever get used to

568
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 3: those hits and Tim, this is the most amazing story

569
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: from all that. Twenty two, twenty twenty two, the Phillies

570
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 3: are in the NLCS and the Fanatic decides during that hit,

571
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: he's looking at me as I'm starting, and then he

572
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: plops down next to me as I'm doing it, and

573
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 3: I'm freaking out, and I still have to You cannot

574
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 3: miss You got to keep going. And I kept going

575
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: and luckily did not fall apart. But I did complain

576
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: about the Fanatic that night, because that can't happen. Fantastic.

577
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: We've got a job to do.

578
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 4: Ken, you can't have the greatest mascot on Earth bothering

579
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 4: you in that twenty second.

580
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 3: I'm a fan of all time, But that was awful.

581
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: Not during the open, Yeah, well I did an open

582
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: in Philly one night.

583
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't the World Series like he was doing it.

584
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: And the Fanatic came up and got on his knees

585
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: next to me, and he has a mic in his

586
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: hand and in.

587
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: Order to be my height.

588
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 6: He gets down on his knees and ESPN captures all

589
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 6: of this that I have the fanatic doing and open

590
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 6: his knees so he could be the same height as me.

591
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: It was just just ridiculous.

592
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: And I all know that, Jeff, you don't need to

593
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: know this. But I also got hit on before game

594
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: while I was doing an open in Cincinnati that they

595
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Speaker 2: have a girl there.

596
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: She's like, I don't even know her name, but her

597
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: head it's a woman. Clearly it's a woman.

598
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: And her head is the size of a gigantic baseball

599
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: and it looks like a baseball, and she like sidles

600
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: up next to me while I'm doing the open. So

601
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: I'm getting hit on by a woman whose head is

602
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: like as big as a helium balloon, and it interrupted

603
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: the whole thing.

604
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: But you write you and you just got to carry

605
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: on no matter what it was.

606
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 4: I believe that's is that Rosie Red.

607
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: You're talking about that Rosie Yes, way to go.

608
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 4: Rosie Red, now ken before we move on from the

609
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 4: from the stand up, I think this is so neat

610
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 4: because on my first day my first broadcast journalism class

611
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 4: at Syracuse, Professor Hub Brown quoted Mark Twain saying I

612
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 4: wrote you a long letter because I didn't have time

613
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 4: to write you a short one. And I called my

614
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 4: dad the day after that cloud the second it ended,

615
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 4: and I said, Dad, I got the amazing quote. And

616
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 4: even now to this day, I'm removed from that class.

617
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 4: You know, fifteen years we still use that all the time.

618
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 4: And not to nerd out between the three of us,

619
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 4: but especially you two. There is such a beautiful art

620
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 4: of being able to take all of this knowledge and

621
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 4: all of these stories and all the beauty of what

622
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 4: you want.

623
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,239
Speaker 1: To say and condense it down to twenty seconds. It

624
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: is an art form.

625
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 4: It is something to be honored, and you just do

626
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 4: You do it better than just about anybody out there.

627
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 4: And I commend you for it because it's not easy

628
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 4: to do.

629
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: It's not easy to write it.

630
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 4: It's definitely not easy to speak it, that's for sure, right.

631
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate that, Jeff. And again I would say

632
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: that open is the most difficult thing, just all the

633
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: circumstances surrounding it. And every night when I get through it,

634
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: if I do get through it without screwing it up,

635
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: I'm like I start the game relieved, very relieved, and

636
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: that's a good thing. But if I screw it up,

637
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: I'm not so really that I'm upset about what happened.

638
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: It is I don't know that Tom feels that this way.

639
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: I think Tom is pretty cool under pressure, and he

640
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: does it really well and he's so good at it.

641
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 3: But for me, that is a nerve wracking situation. Every

642
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: single time we do.

643
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: Right and you're right, Jeff, brevity is really important. You

644
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: don't have time in twenty seconds or thirty seconds.

645
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: We have an expression at TV. It's called landing the plane.

646
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: And and ad Verke, one of our dear dear friends

647
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: Junior's work with, makes me laugh Moorren than anyone. Someone

648
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: was taking a little bit too much time to finish

649
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: his point and a dad told him on the air,

650
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: can you just land the plane?

651
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: Said that alive TV.

652
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: That guy I was sitting right next to him.

653
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: It was the funniest thing I've ever seen, because just

654
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: classic add Oh my goodness, Junior. Back back to the

655
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five World series I just wrote for ESPN

656
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: dot Com. I often don't exaggerate, but I called it

657
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: the greatest world series I've ever seen, mostly because of

658
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: the amazing storylines that we saw, not to mention, an

659
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: unforgettable Game three, an unforgettable finish to Game six, and

660
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: one of the greatest Game sevens of all time. What

661
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: was it like for you, a journalist, a writer, and

662
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: a TV guy to cover the twenty twenty five World

663
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: Series electrifying?

664
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 3: It was great, and Tim, both you and I have

665
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: covered a ton of World series at this point, and

666
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: there are very few that stand out the way this

667
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: one did. Now, I'm not sure it's my favorite. I

668
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: had at number three on my list after ninety one

669
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: and two thousand and one, but my gosh, it's certainly

670
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: in the conversation, and I think the point you just

671
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 3: made is the right one. There were so many cool

672
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: things that happened in this series. Plays, performances, stars playing

673
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: like stars, Vlad Junior for instance, Guys who you would

674
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: never think would be heroes becoming heroes, Miguel Rojas, there

675
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: was a lot going on, Dreya Savage, of course, Yamamoto.

676
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: We could go on and on and then Game seven.

677
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: And I've seen this written in a few places now.

678
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: Jason Stark and Tyler Kapna wrote it for The Athletic

679
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 3: and different articles. Mike Petriello wrote it for MLB dot com.

680
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 3: Game seven can very objectively be called the greatest game

681
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 3: seven ever played in our sport, in the World Series

682
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: because of all that happened, because the different turns that

683
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 3: this game could have taken and did take at various points.

684
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 3: It was an amazing, amazing thing to cover. And as

685
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: hard as it is to cover the postseason and as

686
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 3: grueling as it is, and Tim knows this, that's what

687
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 3: we live for, and from that perspective, it was so fulfilling,

688
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: so much fun.

689
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 4: I love it, Ken, for you and everybody should subscribe

690
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 4: wherever you're listening right now to Fair Territory with Ken Rosenthal.

691
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 4: On a brief aside, I heard the shout out you

692
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 4: gave my uncle Matt, my dad's brother, surrounding als and

693
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 4: just wanted to say thank you so much for talking

694
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 4: about our family and talking about that cause. But for

695
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 4: you and to nerd out a little bit behind the scenes,

696
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 4: how fun is it to have a podcast that you

697
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 4: can just say how you're feeling in as many words,

698
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 4: more or less as you want, as opposed to you know,

699
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 4: when Dad and I started this and I do all

700
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 4: the behind the scenes stuff, he almost had trouble getting

701
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 4: over the fact that, hey, we don't need to hit

702
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 4: a commercial break right now, we don't have two minutes

703
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 4: or thirty seconds to You can just tell your story, Dad,

704
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 4: just go And once he got over that, the podcast

705
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 4: really took off. How fun is it for you with

706
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 4: your podcast to just be able to kick back and

707
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 4: talk about the game you love so much.

708
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun, Jeff, And you make a

709
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: really good point there. There's freedom in that because I

710
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: can just do essentially whatever I want.

711
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 5: Now.

712
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: We have a little bit of a restriction on time,

713
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: but it's not that much and certainly not something I

714
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: feel like it's a noose over my head or anything

715
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 3: like that. We're good and I can get into different things.

716
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 3: And also when I'm on fah, let's face it, I'm

717
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 3: not on for very long at any point. This gives

718
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: me the freedom in a video setting to do that

719
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: kind of thing, and to talk about different stories, things

720
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 3: that are going on in the game, and then sometimes

721
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 3: to reflect back on some of the things Tim and

722
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 3: I have talked about today back in the day, and

723
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: that's fun too, and sometimes people enjoy hearing those things

724
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 3: because it was so different and we had a cool

725
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: group back then. So yeah, it's a great thing that

726
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: I'm able to do that. And the guys I do

727
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 3: with are friends, longtime friends, all of them, the producers

728
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 3: and the people on air. So it's been a lot

729
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 3: of fun for sure.

730
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: Right well, Junior, we got to let you go.

731
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: Just we'll get back to the size things since that's

732
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: where we started. But it's a mildly serious question, Junior.

733
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: Does your lack of size in any way help you

734
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,959
Speaker 2: in doing your job?

735
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: In any way?

736
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: Does being small make you different or bring up something

737
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: that actually helps you in your job.

738
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: I've never actually thought about this. I would say, no,

739
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 3: I don't think it's ever an advantage, and there have

740
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: been times I've thought. And I'll take you back to

741
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 3: a story Jim Penman used to tell of the late

742
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: Jim Henderman. Tim and I we had such great friendships

743
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: with him. He used to say, if I had one

744
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: pitch to throw in the game, I threw a ninety

745
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 3: five mile an hour fastball back when ninety five was

746
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: hard right down the middle of the floor or no, right,

747
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 3: I think it was inside, just to let the hitter

748
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: know it was there. And that way you'd have to

749
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: think about it the whole game. The corollary to that,

750
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 3: in the kind of question Tim's asking is there are

751
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: days where I wished I was six four two fifty

752
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 3: just so I could walk into the club house and say,

753
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: all right, let's go if you got a problem. And

754
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: at this point my career people know me well enough,

755
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: it's not really a factor. But only when I was younger,

756
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 3: and I look so young too, with a problem in

757
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: tiended to were looked. We looked young, we were young,

758
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 3: and we were small in the clubhouse. It could be

759
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: a disadvantage. So I don't know that it's helped me

760
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: in any way. Some people would say, well, you got

761
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 3: little Man's complex and that gives you your motivation. Maybe

762
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 3: that's true. I don't know. But in terms of doing

763
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 3: the job itself, certainly, when I'm talking to Aaron Judge,

764
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: doing this like that's not good right, And in fact

765
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 3: my wife has said, you can't do that anymore. You

766
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 3: have to jump on a box or something.

767
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: You can't Junior, you would look even everyone knows who

768
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 2: you are, they know where it judges. If your eye

769
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 2: to eye with him, that would look ridiculous.

770
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 3: I've been at what points you said Tim, At what

771
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 3: point you said you shouldn't interview him any boy, I said, well,

772
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,479
Speaker 3: that's going to be a problem. He's like the best

773
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 3: player in the game. Well, but no, I don't think that, Tim.

774
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: What would you say?

775
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: It only happened to me once where it worked in

776
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: my favor. You remember Randy Johnson, how mercurial he was.

777
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: He was a great interview or terrible interview, and it

778
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: all depends on what kind of mood he was in,

779
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: So one year doesn't matter.

780
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: Two thousand and one, I interviewed him in a Sunday

781
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: night conversation.

782
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: We're both sitting down, so it didn't look ridiculous because

783
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 2: we're both sitting down. So then the World Series comes,

784
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: and you remember Randy Johnson had some troubles in the postseason.

785
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: It was not a great postseason pitcher, and I have

786
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: to go interview him basically about being a bad postseason pitcher.

787
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: And we're on TV doing this, so I'm thinking, oh boy,

788
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: this could be bad. So I look at Randy Johnson,

789
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 2: who I just interviewed three weeks earlier, sitting down, and

790
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: I said, okay, we're gonna stand up for this one.

791
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 2: And he thought that was the funniest thing ever, that

792
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: we're gonna do this interview standing up, and you're right,

793
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 2: my hand goes up as high as I can and

794
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: I still can't get the microphone to his mouth.

795
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: It put him, for some reason, in such a great mood.

796
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: That even though I said, hey, you made eight starts,

797
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: you have won ed but the postseason, he was still

798
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: laughing for the idea that we're both going to be

799
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 2: standing up for this, and he thought that you know

800
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: that optic would have been so hilarious, which it was.

801
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: I looked absolutely ridiculous. I look like a child interviewing

802
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: an adult.

803
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: It was. It was really bad.

804
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: So that's probably the only time that my being this

805
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 2: small really actually helped me because I got Randy Johnson

806
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: in a good mood.

807
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm still not sure how that worked, but it did.

808
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,479
Speaker 7: Ken I want well, that would be the one time

809
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 7: in all these years I'd say we'd rather be sixteen

810
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 7: absolutely now, Dad, I will say this, Jeff, before we

811
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 7: got only one person on this podcast plays basketball like

812
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 7: you six', five and it's not.

813
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: It. Yeah. YEAH i played in Cal Ripken junior's games

814
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 3: on a weekly. BASIS i was so jealous of, that And,

815
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 3: god FORBID i would ever be on that. Court there

816
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: never would have. Happened cow was only inviting guys who could.

817
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: Play tim could play and still.

818
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: Can, well thank, You.

819
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 2: Junior so unimportant now at age sixty, eight five four

820
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: and a, half one hundred and thirty eight. Penn it's so,

821
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: unimportant that's for, sure all, Right. Junior let's let let's

822
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: let you Let. Jeffery let's Let junior go say. Goodbye

823
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: he's been here long, enough he's got stories to, break

824
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 2: he's on call twenty four hours a.

825
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: Day we got to let him.

826
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 3: Go, well, thanks, guys this is a Pleasure, tim it's

827
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: so much. Fun and Jeff i'm telling you man your

828
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 3: dad back in the day when we were competing against each,

829
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: OTHER i always say, this And i've written it. Too

830
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: tim is the nicest guy on. Earth he. Is everybody Loves,

831
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 3: tim and rightly. So he's a nice. Person but when

832
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: he was on That orioles, beat he was a certified,

833
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: killer and it was just impossible to compete against. Him

834
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: and he taught me so much and he was so,

835
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: good and he did it in a way WHERE i

836
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 3: couldn't even hate. Him, NORMALLY i hate your, competition BUT

837
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 3: i couldn't Hate. Tim and, again if not for, HIM

838
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: i don't know THAT i would have learned the WAY i.

839
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 3: Did So i'm always appreciate over your. Dad and again

840
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 3: that competitive fire. Man it was something to. Behold one

841
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 3: more THING i wanted to talk about This. Tim we'd

842
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: be in. Airports we don't fly together quite, now and back,

843
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: then no cell, phones phone, booths, right that's how you

844
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 3: communicated to the outside. World tim invariably would get off

845
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 3: the plane first and he'd be in a phone booth right,

846
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: away And i'd be, like what was this guy? Calling

847
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 3: what is going? On why CAN i ever know what he's? Doing?

848
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: What it just psychologically destroyed, Me BUT i left him.

849
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: Anyway speaking of, Killing Jeff junior's been killing everybody in

850
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 2: the business for the last twenty. Years so if what

851
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: he says is, true AND i don't think it, is

852
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: he's been killing everyone on the baseball beat nationwide for

853
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: the last twenty.

854
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 4: Years all, right ken Hold, on you have to tell

855
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 4: because you wrote this awesome piece on The athletic when

856
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 4: my dad was inducted into The hall Of, fame and

857
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 4: my dad hates talk talking about himself on this podcast.

858
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 4: Regularly he tells me to edit things out that his

859
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 4: friends say kindly about, him and THEN i blatantly ignore

860
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 4: those Directions ken BECAUSE i think they're great. Stories BUT

861
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 4: i can't remember exactly BECAUSE i read the article when

862
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 4: he was inducted in twenty twenty To Kurt. Shill there

863
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 4: was A Kurt shilling. Trade AM i getting this? Right

864
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 4: Kurt shilling was traded to The.

865
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: Oh, yes ACTUALLY i didn't remember. This Rick, vaughan Who

866
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: tim referred to, earlier our dear, friend remembered. This so

867
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: trade deadline in nineteen eighty. Eight tim was maybe off

868
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: a day or two. Before back, then the trade deadline

869
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 3: was not what it is. Today it was not covered

870
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: the same. Way it was not seen as as important

871
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: as it is. Now So tim was scheduled to be

872
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 3: off for whatever, reason and this trade. Happens it Was

873
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: Kurt shilling And Brady anderson coming from The Red sox

874
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 3: to The orioles For Mike. Boteger pretty big trade if

875
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: you look back on it. NOW a lot of great

876
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: players in that. Trade And tim was, off And i'm, thinking, okay,

877
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: GOOD i got one day. Here, well at LEAST i

878
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: can get more. Stuff, well of, course Like superman flying

879
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: in from wherever he comes to the park proceeds to

880
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: write four. Stories his backup was a guy Named Kent,

881
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: begger the Late Kemp. Begger great. Guy we loved. Him

882
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 3: but he could not do What tim, did AND i

883
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: had no. ADVANTAGE i got my butt, kicked as, usual

884
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 3: even on a day When tim was supposed to be, off.

885
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 7: RIGHT.

886
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: I am gonna say something here on my. BEHALF i

887
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: was not off that. Day that Was. Friday and Every FRIDAY.

888
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 2: I wrote My Sunday notes, column WHICH i would start

889
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: at eight in the morning and finish at eight at

890
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: night when the game. Started they always Played, friday SO

891
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: i worked all. Day but as soon as his trade was,

892
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: MADE i jumped in the car AND i drove to

893
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 2: the ballpark AND i Helped Kent.

894
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: Baker, yes, right all, right that's enough of.

895
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 4: This how you stayed, Married, dad during those days of

896
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 4: hustling to all the all.

897
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: The reporters out.

898
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 4: THERE i can't even imagine how wives have stayed in that.

899
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: ERA i got to find a phone, BOOTH i got

900
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: to find a newspaper. STAND i gotta do. This it's

901
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: a different world.

902
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 4: Back in the eighties and, nineties and you two are

903
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 4: prime examples of success stories that came out of those

904
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 4: great days and are continuing to do it well into

905
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five and for years to. Come, KEN i

906
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 4: know we've tried to let you go like four times,

907
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 4: now but Now i'm out of.

908
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: Questions i'm good to.

909
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: Go thanks, Guys, jeffer it's, pleasure, Man, tim thank you so.

910
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: Much it's our. Pleasure. Junior, Thanks we'll see you.

911
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: Soon