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Speaker 1: The Fifth Hour with me Penn Maller, because four hours

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Speaker 1: you know, do the Dodger games. Chick would do the

428
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 1: Laker games, Bob Biller was doing the King's games, he

429
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 1: had Dickenburg at the time, a local guy doing the

430
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,640
Speaker 1: Rams and the Angels, Tim Kelly do in USC, Fred

431
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 1: Hesler in U C. L A. I mean, so a

432
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,679
Speaker 1: lot of very very talented guys to to listen to

433
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 1: it and to try to figure out what made them

434
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 1: so special. So uh so it really gave me a

435
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 1: lot of practice. So I think once I got get

436
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 1: to do some some NBA games, I was kind of

437
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 1: ready for it. So I think it was probably more

438
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 1: just some of the things you had to do to uh,

439
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 1: you know, to piece mila a you know, a salary. Essentially,

440
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 1: men say I got I gotta you know, for the

441
00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 1: Loyally Games. When I graduated, Um, they they didn't really

442
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 1: have a lot of radio stations clam ringing for their

443
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 1: for their radio right, so you had to buy the

444
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 1: time to get to get the games on radio, which, uh,

445
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 1: the university didn't have any budget forward, so I had

446
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 1: to go out and sell advertising to try to get

447
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 1: enough money to pay for the production costs, and you know,

448
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 1: probably had a limited soundary myself or whatever I could make,

449
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,160
Speaker 1: but I didn't because I wanted to get the experience

450
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 1: of doing the game. So I think that was probably

451
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 1: the hardest part. But you know, to kind of make

452
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 1: ends meet, I had to be a traffic reporter for

453
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,120
Speaker 1: one of the own news stations, so so I kind

454
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 1: of did some things at times that weren't necessarily uh

455
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 1: you know in the field that I wanted to, but

456
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a necessity to be able to

457
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 1: make ends meet and be able to you know, pay

458
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 1: my bills. But but you know, I think everybody at

459
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 1: one time when others had to do that to try

460
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 1: to just wait for the you know, for the good opportunity.

461
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 1: So um so certainly it was it was well worth it.

462
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 1: And even though I even though I came in the

463
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 1: second four times for being played by played jobs before

464
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: I got to place your job, you know, I stayed patient,

465
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: and and even though it wasn't always easy to stay

466
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: optimistic that I was on the right path, I still thought,

467
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 1: you only need one team that you know, just give

468
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: me a chance. And fortunately that the Blades. You did that,

469
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: and so it was really nut rounding. Hopefully to get

470
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 1: anything close to that kind of run with somebody else

471
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 1: would be static if it could happen again. Yeah, see,

472
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 1: you didn't need USC because you had, like you mentioned that,

473
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 1: that roster of talent here in southern California, those play

474
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 1: by play broadcasters see met and all those guys. How

475
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: did you end up connecting with this guy on the

476
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 1: other fucking side of the microphone, Ben Mallary? Because Ben

477
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 1: is absolutely ruling right now with Portland Trailblazer love and

478
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: it is noxious. Hold on second, guys, listen, I be

479
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: playing the Lakers, and you know, I got some missues

480
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: through the Lakers and all that. I I got issues

481
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 1: with the Blaze, I got you know, I got a

482
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: few of the Blazers because Wheels is my guy with

483
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 1: the team now and all that. But uh so let's

484
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: not get carried away here. How dare you guess? I

485
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,479
Speaker 1: just had to ask the connection? You know, I mean

486
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: I I used to actually have the h the great

487
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: privilege going every summer. UH. Roy angl Breck, who was

488
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: a broadcast teacher at USC discovered that all of the

489
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: students were resting them well how do I get how

490
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: do I bringing the business? How they put a resume

491
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: together and the demo tape and so forth, and he said,

492
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, there's a real need for this, And so

493
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: they started Sportscasters Camp UH years and years ago, UH

494
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: and basically just did it locally initially and then took

495
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: it to other markets. They thought that maybe uh, you know,

496
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: people wouldn't travel across the country to you know, to

497
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: go to l A. So one year they did it

498
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: in about four different cities across uh the country, and

499
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: one of them was in Rensselaer, Indiana. And so they

500
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: called schools around Chicago to get some counselors to come

501
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: help out at the camp. And one of the calls

502
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: they made was to Loyala and they talked to the

503
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: sad there, who then relayed the message to me and said,

504
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 1: you know, I just did in this. And when I

505
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: heard Bob Miller was the co director, I said, guys

506
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: should be wonderful. Just to meet you know, meet Bob

507
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: and so that was a great, great opportunity and kind

508
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: of you know, I was one of the people that

509
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: critiqued the tapes of the of the guys as they

510
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 1: were doing their played by a and they would always

511
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: set up the camp, tying it in with you know,

512
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: a summer league, you know, either high school or or

513
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: you know or college or even the NBA summer League

514
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: when he used to be at a long beach and

515
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: so so then they find out they figured out then

516
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: know that they figured out that people would travel to

517
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: l A for the camp, so they kind of pulled

518
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: it in and had an n L every year. So

519
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: I would come, I would come and be able to

520
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 1: do the camp, and that that I'd stay for some extra

521
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 1: days to do it to about the game or two

522
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: maybe an Angeles game, whatever it might be. So I've

523
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: not been at one of those one of those situations.

524
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: And then uh, you know, I found out he was

525
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: a great guy and that he you know, had bashion

526
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: for sports and a good souther hurebor, and so we

527
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: had it all right away, and then you know, just

528
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: kind of keep it touch whenever I would you know,

529
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: come back to town. Then with the players, and he

530
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 1: would often be, you know, be at the game, and

531
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: I knew they did like the underguards. There's always a

532
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 1: Clipper fanboard that he was a Laker fan. So um,

533
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: so it was you know, he wasn't just go along with,

534
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, whatever the popular choice was for fetal for

535
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: fandom in town. So so it was great that I

536
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: was was hoping that at some point I could get

537
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: a chance to to uh, you know, come to l

538
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: a And I had one opportunity, I'd keep it. Second

539
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: went Spile got the Spididas got the Laker job, and um,

540
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: I wish the Lakers would give me a shout. I

541
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: think that, you know, it would have been a better option.

542
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: I knew Spirril was an East Coast guy, and I

543
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: thought he would try to get back to the East

544
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: Coast as soon as he had the opportunity. And he did,

545
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: and and I tried to tell him, I said, you know,

546
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: this is not a this is not a job stepping

547
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: stone to something else for me. If I got this

548
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: stub job, and it would be my dream job and

549
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 1: I'd stay forever, and um, but they didn't buy it.

550
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 1: And then they kind of went through the slick young

551
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: guy and I didn't work out, but that would have

552
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: been drinking. Would have loved to have been back in

553
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: l A full time again. That that that's still actually

554
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: drive my friends in Chicago crazy because that's still even

555
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: when we moved there. M I still root it for

556
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: all the l A teams And then said want to

557
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 1: go back l A? And I said, well, what if

558
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: I could? I said, but you know, family brought it,

559
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: brought me here, but it wasn't my choice. I would

560
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: have stayed in l A if I if I could have.

561
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: And I still root for all the l A teams.

562
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: Maybe not so much of the the Lakers anymore, but but

563
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 1: you knows, that kind of place a rival now. But

564
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: but when they weren't a rival, I just used to

565
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: root for the for the so the magic jonasen Laker era.

566
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: I can root for them, but the so little Jackson

567
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: there and then not so much. But but the rest

568
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: of the only teams are still have great affection for

569
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: watch the Doctors every night, so I'm the elite pass

570
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: and so forth. So it's still you know, those teams

571
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: will still be in my heart probably forever. Yeah, And

572
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: I remember around that time when you were up for

573
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: the Laker job. And and you know, I feel guilty

574
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: because I was I was like telling these idiots, the executives.

575
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: I was like, Hi, this guy, what you do? And

576
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: uh and for some I don't know what happened behind

577
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: the scenes. I've heard different stories and all that. But

578
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: I obviously I'm a biased witness, Wheels, but you would

579
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: have been amazing and uh, you know, even me who

580
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: takes shots to Lakers and all that, if you would,

581
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: God forbid, if you would ended up working there, I

582
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,959
Speaker 1: might have had to change my opinion Wheels, because I'm

583
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: such a Wheels guy. But uh, it really and I thought,

584
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: you know, they told Michael Thompson he was gonna have

585
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: a major say and who got hired, and he was.

586
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: I had known Michael Folk quite a years, and I

587
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: thought I had it all set up really well. I

588
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: had probably more of my uh high level of references

589
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: called for that job, more so than you know, than

590
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: anybody else. I think that chicks still been alive. He

591
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: used to call for a lot of the jobs I

592
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: went for in the NBA when they were openings, and

593
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: I would always be a maade. Somebody would tell me, well,

594
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: here's the first of the contact but you know, just

595
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: saying all, uh, they're hard to they're hard to reach.

596
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: You might have to call him about three four times

597
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: and maybe take a week to call you back. And

598
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: I tell Chick that, and he said, okay, I'll call him,

599
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: and then he called back by so I just talked

600
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: to him and so so I mean when when Chick

601
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: would call, you know, people picked up the phone and uh.

602
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: And so you know, he always was really gracious to me.

603
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: And I think that he's still been alive when that

604
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: job was open. Maybe he could have you know, pushed

605
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: it through with the people that he still knew from

606
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, from being with the Lakers for all those years.

607
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: But it was it was disappointed. That was of all

608
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: my disappointments, and coming at second that was that was

609
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: the greatest one because it would have been as much

610
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: as I love being with the Blaine Hughes, I mean,

611
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: and I would probably be doing a job I would

612
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: have left the Blazers for, but uh, but it would

613
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: have been, you know, something that would have brought me

614
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: full circle and back l A and that and being

615
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: with the you know, the team might certainly idolized the

616
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: growing up, but but it wasn't to be and so

617
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, and that I who knows you know the

618
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: guys that are with the Lakers now, but certainly guys,

619
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: and they may never want to give an ups I

620
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: certainly want understand. So I don't know if that job

621
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: will ever be open again until you know, until maybe

622
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 1: done Ireland is eight years old again, and by then

623
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: I'll be a little bit too probably to take it

624
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah, And for those Wheels, like, obviously

625
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: a lot of guys listening now, we have a lot

626
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: of listeners in Portland that area. People have heard your highlight.

627
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: Your highlights when you're doing the Blazer games got played

628
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: more than I think anybody's highlights who does play by

629
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: play because of your style there For for those though

630
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: that are unfamiliar, they're listening to saying I hear you

631
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: talk about Brian Wheeler all the time, but I don't

632
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: tell me more like, how would you describe your style, Wheels,

633
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: when you're doing an NBA game For the neaphyight that

634
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: hasn't heard you call a game on the Raider, how

635
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: would you describe how you call an NBA game. Well,

636
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: there's a hybrid of a couple of different styles. I

637
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: mean going up up in l A. Obviously, I heard

638
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: it a very objective broadcast years. I mean, as I mentioned,

639
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: you know Ben Tokenburg, these guys, you know, they never

640
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: said we or us to them, and I usually have

641
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: mad at Chick sometimes when I listened, because I thought

642
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: he would try sometimes to go overboards and not acting

643
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: like he was in all partial to the Lakers and

644
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: so uh so, you know, he said, I remember the

645
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: Lakers have always had trouble in these situations. All He's long,

646
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, shout out, they don't, they don't.

647
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with dal somebody could hear me,

648
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: and he's certainly couldn't. But but when I had to

649
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: meet him, I told them a story, laughed, and he said, well,

650
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, I always just feel that that I might

651
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: have as many people, you know, listening for the other

652
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: team as maybe the Lakers with all the transplants to

653
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: l A. And so I said, sometimes I felt like

654
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: I had a broadcast you know, that way, and I

655
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: totally understood. But then when I go to Chicago, all

656
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: of a sudden, no, I'm listening to Harry Carry and

657
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: brick House and guys that are saying we us and

658
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: them and that that are you know, tremendously partial to

659
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: the home team and uh and so as Wow, this

660
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: is really a unique way of calling games. And so

661
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: so I think as I started to to get into

662
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: my own the ability to broadcast games, I think I

663
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: became a little bit of a hybrid of the two styles.

664
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I certainly never said we user them on

665
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: on the air for any Blazer game, but I think

666
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: people clearly knew that I wanted the Blazers to win.

667
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: In fact, some people would joke that they could turn

668
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: the game on, uh you know, maybe midstream, and sometimes

669
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: from the tone of my voice or however enthusiastic I sounded,

670
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: they can kind of get a feel that if the

671
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: team was winning or losing, and so so I always

672
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: worked on that. I tried not to sound too down

673
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: if they weren't winning, but I also said, you know,

674
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 1: I let me a fan, you know, and so if

675
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: they they aren't winning, probably gonna sound a little disappointed.

676
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: If they aren't winning, I'm just gonna be like Disneyland revisited,

677
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: that's gonna be You're gonna be gonna be really happy

678
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: about it. So so, um, you know, it's uh it's

679
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: it's uh, I think that's kind of the way where

680
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: I've been and I think I've found it, you know,

681
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: for the Blazer fans, with you know, the Blazers being

682
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: kind of the major team in town and they always

683
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: have been, uh, there's have been. I think Portland's is

684
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: the smallest market to only have one major sports team.

685
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can count MLS, they have two,

686
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: but of the four major sports they're they're the smallest

687
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: market that has only one of the four. So because

688
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: of that, the places who owned the town and and

689
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: the people here are tremendously passionate about the team, and

690
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: so I think it fit in with with with the

691
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: way that people felt about about the club, and so

692
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: so when they were you know, when they were going well,

693
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: then you know, then then obviously I was really excited

694
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: about about what I saw. But but I tried never

695
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: to be so partial that I couldn't be honest if

696
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: the team wasn't playing well. But but certainly I understood

697
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: that when the team was doing great, then you know

698
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: that I got pretty excited about it. So it was

699
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: a it was a fun job, and I thought it

700
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: was a great bestball was a great game. To call

701
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: and has a lot of up and down emotion. It's

702
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,239
Speaker 1: a game pull of runs, so you can you can

703
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: you never really out of the game most nights, and

704
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: sometimes you never really have a lead that can't do

705
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, be banquished if the other team put to

706
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: run together. So so that has a lot of drama

707
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: to it. And I thought it was the best game

708
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: to call, and I still do and so I hopeing

709
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: a chance to call it again someday, Brian, Well, if

710
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: you had, I mean, because obviously, like you you mentioned

711
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: to us about being here in Los Angeles, if you

712
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: had the opportunity though to call anything, and we're talking Rams, Chargers, Lakers, Clippers, Kings, Ducks,

713
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: Angels or or the MLS. Like, if you had a

714
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: team locally here in Los Angeles that you can call

715
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: for on the regular, who would that be. Well, I'd

716
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: certainly be the Lakers if I if I could have done,

717
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: mean just because of you know, the affection I had

718
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: for them. I remember when the Lakers finally beat the

719
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: Celtics in uh in nineteen eighty five, after never having

720
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: beaten them in the NBA Finals before that, including the

721
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: year before. Um I thought about the year before that, Uh,

722
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: you should never uh say a certain thing when your

723
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: team is in a desperate position. So I remember watching

724
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: Game seven, uh the four Finals in Boston. Lakers are down,

725
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: but they're making a big run, and I yelled out,

726
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: if there isn't God, he will make sure that the

727
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: Lakers rallied to win this series and finally get a

728
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: chance to celebrate. Well, the Lakers didn't win, and I thought,

729
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: I guess got it's better things to do than worry

730
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: about who wins the MPa Finals. So but the next year,

731
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: when I finally did break through, I was on a

732
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: media seftball team and and the Lakers win the game.

733
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: In the afternoon, I'm sitting in my my bedroom and

734
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: passionate sports fans can probably relate to this. Other people

735
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: think it's pretty stupid, and it probably was pretty stupid.

736
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: But but here I am drinking champagne in my bedroom

737
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: and pory champagne in my head like the Lakers were

738
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: doing as they were celebrating in the locker room. So

739
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: I go out and playing the game, and so I'm

740
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: a little little tipsy from I mean that's from champagne

741
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: earlier the day, but it was it was as a

742
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: ballparked at a somewhat of a short fence, and so

743
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: I had three home runs of the game. And every

744
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: time I had a home bro I turned to our bedroom.

745
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: I said, that was for magic and the night was

746
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: that was my crave, and that was for worthy and

747
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: so and so I was. I was intolerable to my

748
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: friends that told them after the Lakers one that day,

749
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: I said, now I'm gonna tell you for the next

750
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: year if you asked me where the Lakers gonna be playing,

751
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say who, And then I said, the

752
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: Lakers where they playing? Oh, you mean the world champions. Yes,

753
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: I'll be able to tell you where they're playing tonight.

754
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: I would not. I would not address the question unless

755
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: they must say, uh, you know, tell said that the

756
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: Lakers were the world champions. So that's how in tom

757
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: I ended up being h for people in Chicago that

758
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: didn't care about the Lakers and any and then he

759
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: sends or another. So because of that passion in the

760
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: early years, I think you know that there's no doubt

761
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: if I had a chance to pick at l a

762
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: team to call, it would still be still be the Lakers. Yeah,

763
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: and and and wheels, Uh let's go back to your

764
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: your style, the trademark line when somebody would have a

765
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: dunker where you go boom shaka laka. I love that.

766
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: Where did you come up with that? How did that

767
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: become your thing when the big moments would happen for

768
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: the Blazers. Yeah, and I can't say that it was

769
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: my creation. But but I you know, I don't know.

770
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: Some people said I must have got it from the NBA,

771
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: the original NBA two K game, but I really I

772
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: never played video games when I was a kid. I

773
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: think I think I might have gone to the uh,

774
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: you know, to uh you know, to uh you know,

775
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: one of the campus bars around Loyola, and they had

776
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: I think pac Man and Miss pac Man, and you know,

777
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: I probably played, you know, those kind of video games,

778
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: but I never really played any of the ones that

779
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, he would play at home. So I was

780
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: never aware of what K was. But but I remember

781
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: from the movie stripes when Bill Murray and his crew

782
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: are getting ready for their final exam and and they

783
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: didn't have the drill sergeant to do so, so they

784
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: have to kind of make up the routine themselves, and

785
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: they got to the point where, you know, Bill's shouting

786
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: out these you know, crazy things that the you know,

787
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: the troop has to has to repeat. And he got

788
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: to one point where he said, booms hat like a

789
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: boom shot like a book, and so I thought, that's

790
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: a really funny, funny praise. And so so I just thought,

791
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: you know, it sounds like, especially if he emphasized the

792
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: boom park, it sounds like something that has some you know,

793
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: a little power, little ferocity behind it. And so I thought,

794
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: if if there's an emphatic dunk, you know, that would

795
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: kind of that kind of fit. And I also had

796
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: to do that was nasty as another kind of kind

797
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: of way to describit, dunk. I try about to you know,

798
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: I have the same thing said too often over the

799
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: course of a broadcast. So I kind of mixed it

800
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: up a little bit. But I think the only thing

801
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: that I really came up with that was mine was

802
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: the alliterations. And so if if the Blazers were out

803
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: a good run and the other team had to call

804
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: a kind of the hot time out where they're trying

805
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: to stop the Blazers momentum, I would basically say that,

806
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 1: you know, whoever the coach was, we're playing the clippers

807
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: and and and they have to tell call time out.

808
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: I said, doc Rivers is mystified, mesprised and fortified. I

809
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: picked three words, you know, with the same letter and

810
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: indicating frustration, anger, infusion, you know, whatever it might be.

811
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: And so those those gonna be that's gonna see a

812
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: fun thing because not every letter you could create three words,

813
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: but a lot of them you could read more than

814
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: the three words. And so uh, it's I had have

815
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: people come up and say, yeah, we weren't sure if

816
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, if you were going to say it that

817
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, that point in the game, and we didn't

818
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: know what letter you want to use, and so so

819
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: I kind of got to be something that people seem

820
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: to look forward to. So that was that was something

821
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: I can saying that I created. But the booms jack

822
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: Alack I did. I didn't borrow that, not from where

823
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: people thought I got it, but from from stripes and uh,

824
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: and it got to be a nice We were sold

825
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: shirts uh at the Blazers Seams store and actually sold

826
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: pretty well. So so I'm thinking up developing a website

827
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: now that I have a little personal time. And the

828
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: people said, well, you do make sure you have a

829
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: chance to sell some Boomshock Club shirt. So I'll send

830
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: you guys a couple of we get to that point,

831
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: but we're seriously thinking about it, so hopefully I'm thinking

832
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: about doing a book too, So just a book. I

833
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: put that together. We'll have it on again to promote

834
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: the book. I love the alliteration though. I love That's

835
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: another thing. I was gonna ask you about that, because

836
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: that is when and you knew when and whenever the

837
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: Blazers were going on a run, if there was a

838
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: time out, you would go, you would go into it.

839
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: And how many different versions did you have? You must

840
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: have had endless with all the different games that you

841
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: did over these days. Did that start when you first

842
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: did the Blazers or did that start like many way through?

843
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: And when did you pick that one up? Yeah? I

844
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: don't think. I didn't think I had when I first

845
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: started with the Blazers. And I'm trying to remember when

846
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: I I guess I was like like words, English was

847
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: always the best subject I had in school, so I

848
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: kind of right well, and I wasn't an avid reader

849
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: per se, but but I'm not even sure how I

850
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: kind of kind of developed it, but I did kind

851
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: of think it was funny to play with words, and

852
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: so I don't remember the first time I did it,

853
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: but um, but I think I got just about every

854
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: letter A, B, C, D E was tough, uh F

855
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: F G. I'm not sure I had G H, I

856
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: do I had, I had, say I had jilted, Jada,

857
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: jilton K. I don't think I had K. I don't

858
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: think I had l M with the MYSTERI five don't

859
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: think I had, and I don't think I had Oh

860
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: I did A P, I didn't have Q, had R S.

861
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: I used to like staggered, stun, stupefied, uh T, I

862
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: had terrified about tormented. I don't think I have. You

863
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 1: don't think have the I think I had W DNEX didn't.

864
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: So I would say two thirds of the letters I did,

865
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: I did have something that that that that was representative

866
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: and as I say, some some some letters had more

867
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: than more than I set of three. So so it

868
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: was fun. I mean, I I and there were a

869
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: lot of games. Obviously I wouldn't do it because I

870
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: wanted to save it for you know, critical you know,

871
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: moment of the game, and I went to it. I

872
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it in the second quarter if you know,

873
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of game remaining, so it had to

874
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: be usually fourth quarter something BIG's going down. And I

875
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: always would be great if it was a home game

876
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: where the crowds going crazy, you know, behind me, and

877
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: I could find a way to you know, to fit

878
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: it into that point. So but yeah, I'll get me

879
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: the one ones that the national networks would kind of

880
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: would kind of play because I think it's ended up

881
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: being a good highlight obviously to the team and kind

882
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: of one that you know, it was one of my

883
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: one of my better ones as well. Yeah, absolutely, And

884
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: do you remember wheels just go way back though Blazers

885
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: were playing the Wars. You actually called into the show,

886
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: the overnight show that that I do as a know,

887
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: a weekend version. It's I think this was like two

888
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: thousand two, so it's been a long time. It was

889
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 1: the Chris Mills. Remember that Chris Mills is that he's

890
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: for Golden State. You guys, you were on the bus

891
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: and you guys were being blocked. Do you remember Can

892
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 1: you tell me that story again for those that don't

893
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 1: know what we're talking about because it was so long ago. Yeah,

894
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: the Blazers and Warriors are having a pretty heated needed

895
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: games coming down to the finish. Um and UM. So

896
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: that the playing the game in in Oakland, and Uh,

897
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: the Blazers end up winning on a kind of the

898
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: last minute to field goal. As the game is ending, Uh,

899
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 1: some of the fans kind of a taunting Rashid Wallace

900
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: and he almost tries to get into the stands to

901
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: go after a couple We used to travel at that time.

902
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: We have two different retired that the guy Scirity guys,

903
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: and so one of one of the two would go

904
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: on every trip. And so the one guy is there,

905
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: he's trying to get Rashid to make sure that he

906
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: won't go into the stand Uh. In the meanwhile, Bouncey

907
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: Wells and Chris Mills had had some some pretty heated

908
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: words throughout the broadcast and so so they started chirping

909
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: at one another after the game ended. UH. So we

910
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: finally get everybody into the locker room, thinking that everything

911
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: has calmed down a bit. Chris Mills, though, decides to

912
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: come to the look of the place of locker room

913
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: and wants to have Bondsy come out and settle things

914
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: right there. Uh. The security guy made sure that Bonds

915
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that. So we're on the team bus trying

916
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: to leave the parking lot and all of a sudden,

917
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: it was like something in a Gangland movie or something,

918
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: because Chris Mills and about two other cars coming they

919
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: blocked the path of the bus. Chris Mills gets out

920
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: of his car. He's got a long trench coat on

921
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: and his hand in his pocket and uh and nobody knows,

922
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: you know, he is he packing. I mean, what's what's

923
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: going on here? Uh? Nove Zach Randolph comes comes going

924
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: down the aisle. All right, let's go, you know. They

925
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: go rumble here in a little bit, and and they

926
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: had to tell him, you know, hey, go back in

927
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: your sea eat and to kind of fighting the load

928
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: a little bit. Ja gents and the team trainer he

929
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: hels out at r Vetus and Bonus says, Sabas, keep

930
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: that head down to yours because if if you don't,

931
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the biggest target we got on this bus.

932
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: And you know, everybody laughs and so forth. But you know,

933
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: people still are kind of like, well, how are we

934
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: gonna get out of here? So the security guy stands

935
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: and they open the door. He stands kind of in

936
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: the doorway. He's got his hand in his pocket, and

937
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: you know, because I said this is a show down,

938
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like a tool of him, so and so.

939
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: Uh so they kind of let me staring down Chris Mills.

940
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: Chris Mills are staring down him. And then finally the

941
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: bus driver is in communication with with somebody and they say, well,

942
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: go to this gate, will open it up and you

943
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: can get out that way. So basically he turns and

944
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: uh and the door closes and we get out. They

945
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: follow us, Chris Mills and his policy follow us to

946
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: the airport and they finally get to a point where

947
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: they can't go any further because we're going to a

948
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: private area. But he was Wills was ready to you know,

949
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: take this thing to you know, to to further levels,

950
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: and uh, Stacy Logman uh had to tell him. I

951
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: guess Stacy uh was somebody who knew some of the

952
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: l A Gang members that that Chris Mills knew, and

953
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 1: he had to tell him that, hey, you know, Bobs

954
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: is alright, Lea Malone or whatever. But I think Chris

955
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: Mihills was determan that this was gonna go a little

956
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: little further. So I I don't know what was said

957
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: between these two. I never asked Bonds about that, but

958
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: it was the closest I've ever seen to have you know,

959
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: an NBA uh you know game night end with you know,

960
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: with the potentially some casualties because it was I don't

961
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: know if everybody was blessing, but I wouldn't be surprised

962
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: if maybe if somebody had flinched. I think it could

963
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: have been escalated to something you know, pretty crazy as

964
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: it was, it was just kind of funny, but um,

965
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't say there the ones

966
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: of cervous moments where he worked quite true, olds that

967
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: happened and uh, you know, put that p I scared again.

968
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: He was. He was ready to you know, take on

969
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: whatever it was needed. So so I give him credit for,

970
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, for standing up and maybe maybe Chris Mills

971
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: is like, you know, it's crazy, you'll do it. His

972
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: is maybe somebody shouldn't challenge and ended up you being

973
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: a you know kind of who's gonna flinch first, And

974
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: nobody did, thankfully, So nobody was harmed. But it was

975
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: certainly something that had a little adventure attached to it,

976
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Yeah, and that was another one of

977
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: those incidents that that was two thousand two, so social

978
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: media was not a thing or Twitter wasn't around and

979
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,479
Speaker 1: all that, and if it had been that, that would

980
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: have been a much bigger, much bigger story had that taken.

981
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: Will was listening. We love you man. Uh, the NBA

982
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: better hire you. Heads are gonna roll at the NBA.

983
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: Somebody's gotta hire you. Great, you should be working somewhere.

984
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: Any of you got to promote here, any any projects

985
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: you want to You mentioned you're gonna write a book

986
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: and you've got a website. You're gonna be starting soon. Right,

987
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: that's in the that's in the queue, as they say. Right, Yeah,

988
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: I think I think it's gonna be happening fairly soon.

989
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: I think the but's gonna be coming out in the

990
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: next couple of months. So yeah, I'll definitely get back

991
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: at that of the end. Well, we're gonna promote it

992
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: a little bit when it's when it's a little bit

993
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: more of a you know, uh, concrete thing having my

994
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: hand and to talk more about. But but it's in

995
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: the formative stage. I've never done one before. It's not

996
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: going to be a war and peace or anything, it'll

997
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: be something fairly you know, fairly light. But but but

998
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: maybe you don't talk about the career and talking about

999
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: some fun things that have happened along the way. So

1000
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: so hopefully one or two people a buy. But but

1001
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think that in the website is coming

1002
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: so you know this date age. I think the more

1003
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: you can kind of control your own meritive, it seems

1004
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: to be the best thing to do. Because I've brought

1005
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: to some people that so they'd like to hire me

1006
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: to do some things. But they're kind of been hiring

1007
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: preeces right now, so it's not the best time to

1008
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: be looking for work. But but I'm hoping that there'll

1009
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: be some opportunities coming when things get back to normal

1010
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 1: a bit. But the meantime, I'll try to put something

1011
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: together on my own and hope that that will, you know,

1012
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: tide me over and maybe produce some new opportunities. But yeah,

1013
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: I love you back in the NBA at some point

1014
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: when the time is right, and hopefully they'll be that

1015
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: opportunity you know, before too long. And it's it's anything

1016
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: close to the great opportunity I had with Blazes for

1017
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: twenty one years. Though consider myself extremely lucky, awesome. Thank

1018
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: you Wills, I appreciate it. Guys, my pleasure any time

1019
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 1: good being with you. Thanks, Thank you, Brian, I appreciate

1020
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: also Man