WEBVTT - Money Stinks 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:08.360 Campsite Media, stark Lash. 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:17.919 Hey, they're good people. 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:21.840 I'm Josh Deen, a journalist, and I'm Murray Scovel, a comedian. 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:25.320 We're here to shamelessly plug our new weekly show, Crimeless, 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:27.639 cooked up in the true crime comedy lab by the 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:32.479 mad geniuses at SmartLess Media, Campsite Media, and big money Players. 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:37.600 It's got everything, fake hit men, terrible alibis, and of course, 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:41.639 gangs of angry, horny monkeys. And it's all coming your 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.199 way in December. But before we hog up your earballs, 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.120 we wanted to start things off with a palate cleanser. 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.199 A wild eight episode romp about one of the dumbest 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.760 and most outrageous heists in US history, perpetrated by some 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:56.280 fine Southern goofballs. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:00.200 I actually prefer high functioning ding dongs, Josh. We call 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.600 it Crimeless Hillbilly Heist, and we got the finest narrator 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.280 of his generation to tell it to you, a man. 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:09.560 So talented they named a city after him. That's right. 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:11.680 I'd like to pass the mic to the patron saint 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:16.080 of Jackasses, the one and only Johnny Knoxville, to bring 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:24.600 you Crimeless Hillbilly Heist. 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:36.040 It's kind of like watching a movie where the volume 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.920 is kind of muted. There was so much adrenaline, so 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:43.280 much sweat, so much stress, that there are bits and 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:46.320 pieces of it that are just fragments of memory. 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.960 It's the evening of October fourth, nineteen ninety seven, at 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:56.200 a Loomis Fargo cash storage facility outside of Charlotte, North Carolina. 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.280 David Gant is the vault supervisor at this building, where 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.800 tens of millions of dollars in cash sit in a 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:06.480 bank vault and armored trucks arrived frequently making deliveries and 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:10.520 drop offs. David's the only one here this evening. He 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:14.720 just told his trainee to go home. Now David's left 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:19.040 to guard the money alone. He's a redhead in his 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.720 mid twenties, tall and lanky, with bright blue eyes. He's 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.440 worked at Loomis Fargo for a few years now, making 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:29.040 a couple bucks more than minimum wage for dangerous work, 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:36.359 and he's about to say fuck that. As soon as 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.720 David knows the training is gone, he sashays back to 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:43.120 the vault, where he's already left the heavy door propped open. 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.519 The trainee didn't know to check for that. David hurries 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.160 into the gray room, where as fate would have it, 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.680 the cash is already shrink wrapped and stacked onto push carts. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.800 Each one is about two million bucks on wheels. 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.080 I pop the seal on it, open it up, and 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:04.440 it's just rows of twenty dollar bules about yea thick, 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:06.200 hundreds of them. 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:10.680 There's fifteen million dollars in the vault, maybe more a 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:14.399 literal ton of cash, and David is going to take 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:20.400 it all by himself. The facility is designed so an 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.280 armored car can pull into the building and ride up 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:26.239 to the vault entrance. David already has a company van 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.359 park there ready to go. He starts rushing the carts 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.800 into the back of the van. But even with the 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:35.440 carts already loaded, this is exhausting work, as loading more 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.920 than two thousand pounds into a van by yourself tends 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:39.800 to be the. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:44.280 Pile of steady, growing and growing. I'm sweating, you know. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:45.960 Even my socks are working. 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.760 And as if this isn't stressful enough, David's pager keeps 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:54.440 blowing up with messages from his very nervous accomplices waiting outside. 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.840 They're out there panicing because I think it's gonna be 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:58.880 ten minutes. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.520 He's at it for an hour, back and forth, lugging cash, 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:04.600 muscles aching. 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:08.800 It's the worst hour, longest hour of my life. 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:13.640 But finally he's got it, all of it, well, everything 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:18.080 you get carried. David skillfully ejects the security tapes from 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.560 the VCRs and throws him in the van along with 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.599 the money. Then he sets a timer on the vault 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.600 door so it can't be reopened for several days, an 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.960 insider trick, creating an extra obstacle to slow down anyone 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.080 who tries to trace his steps. David plans to be 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.839 long gone by the time anyone can get back into 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:44.599 the vault. He jumps in the van and drives to 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.200 the automated gate at the back of the lot. He 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.080 hits the button to exit, and this. 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.720 Is where I have my first real mishap of the. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:05:01.839 Evening, because the gate won't Openvid's trapped. He knows he 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.560 can't take back what he's done. The vault's locked, and 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.440 he's the one who took the cash out of it. 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.719 He's already a criminal, a criminal who's just pulled off 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:14.200 one of the largest cash heists in history, so close 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.680 to escape, and now the only thing between him and 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:22.840 freedom is basically a malfunctioning garage door opener. The thing is, 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:27.000 David did everything right, had it all planned out. He 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.640 was so close to paradise, so close to being a 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.400 rich man boarding a plane to somewhere exotic. 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:37.320 There's lost places to explore. I could go gold mine 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:41.080 or looking for emeralds. I could live out romance in 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:45.720 the stone or in there Jones, spend the rest of 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.919 my life on a sailboat, Jimmy Buffett. 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:55.120 So minor speed bump here. Surely there's another way out, 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.880 because if David Gant went straight to prison without so 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.839 much as exiting the property, it wouldn't be much of 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.840 a story, and they probably wouldn't have hired me to 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:13.560 tell this story. Right From Smartness Media, Campsite Media, and 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:17.800 big money players in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. I'm Johnny 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.880 Knoxville and you're listening to Crime List Bill Billy Heist, 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:33.040 Episode one, Money stinks. If there's one thing in life 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:37.040 I like is short sighted, some would say dumb criminals. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.680 And let me tell you, this group of thieves ain't 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:43.359 the smartest outlaws in history. They ate the second smartest either. 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:47.880 But wow, what a story. Eight episodes of Honest to 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.880 God True Crime. We knew they were trying to kill 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.159 David Khant. Massive screw ups. 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.479 The perfect crime is probably impossible to commit. 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.480 Screw ups attempting to cover up the previous screw ups. 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.560 It was the perfect storm and a sewer. 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.760 People discovering their true selves. I have been labeled with 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:10.760 sociopathic tendencies, but that's also coming from over educated people 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.920 with too many degrees and dreaming big dreams. 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:19.120 I remember saying I'm a rich bitch now and kind 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:19.760 of felt good. 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.480 We also got folks gifting boob jobs to the relatives, 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:28.240 stocking wine cellars with perhaps blue ribbon, and of course 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:32.200 a velvet elvis painting. This was a huge story at 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.679 the time, and it's damn near turned into a legend. 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.440 It did feel kind of like Robinhood, except for the 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.480 part where he steals from the rich and gives to 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:45.640 the core. I guess that kind of works, but I'm 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:46.720 not that generous. 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.600 The point is this is a story about saying the 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.520 hell with all the rules and going after the life 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:57.640 you really want. It's about achieving the American dream, even 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.960 if you have to steal it, even if you have 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:14.200 to leave your old life behind. Our story takes place 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.960 in the nineteen nineties, a simpler time when doctors thought 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:21.320 that margarine was good for you. The Internet was still new, 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:25.600 and people carried around these little pieces of folded up 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:29.800 green paper to buy things. This paper was a big deal, 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:35.160 big enough to risk your life for. The nineties were 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.439 also boom times for the American economy. 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.520 Every day America Online is making it easier for people 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:42.760 to live, work, and play. 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:46.440 This was before the dot com bubble burst, before the 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.800 housing crash, before all kinds of things that made our 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:53.160 lives kind of shitty. In the three decades since, the 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.280 nineties felt like they could continue the prosperity of the 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.200 nineteen eighties. Maybe even more than that, it seemed like 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:03.040 just about any it could get rich. The nineties were 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:07.320 about big time money, fu money, making it rain in 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.959 a rap video money. And Charlotte, North Carolina, where our 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.559 story takes place, was along for the crazy ride. 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.720 Charlotte being touted at this gleaming city of the New South. 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.520 That would be Jeff Diamond, a journalist who covered our 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:25.120 story for The Charlotte Observer and wrote the definitive account 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.920 in his book Heist. Jeff was there for every what 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.840 in the actual hell twist in turn of this massive story. 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.680 Jeff was a young reporter when all this happened. He 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.600 was twenty four, about the same age as David Gant, 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:39.880 and like a lot of young reporters, Jeff made his 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:43.000 bones on the crime beat. This work often led him 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.360 to a town just outside of Charlotte called Gastonia, the 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.480 crown jewel of Gaston County. 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.520 It was known throughout the Charlotte region for having kind 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:54.960 of wacky things happened. 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.920 But Jeff felt there was a lot to like about Gastonia. 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:02.040 My favorite food pilgrimage here is a theft footage type 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:05.000 place called the Shrimp Boat, which is actually known for 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:05.680 its chicken. 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.360 It was true, though, that the nineties boom times had 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.000 left Gastonia behind. People there felt like the whole damn 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:16.920 town hadn't been invited to the party. And Gastonia, of course, 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.600 was David Gant's old stomping grounds. 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:23.000 People would look at Gastonia, they called it the gas House, 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.679 and that's where all the worker bees came from. All 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:30.640 the people blue collar. If you lived in Gastonia, they 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:35.319 pretty much considered you trailer park trash and if you 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:37.880 lived in one of the small communities between here and there, 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:39.360 you were much better. 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.240 At the time. Jeff is working the crime beat. David 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.760 Gant spends his days behind the wheel of an armored 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.880 truck carrying millions of dollars at a time, a glamorous 0:10:57.960 --> 0:10:59.040 job for a country. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.679 Kid'striggling with that amount of money is exciting, and then 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:08.800 you realize that money stinks. It smells because people hide 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:11.880 it and they put it in there. They put it 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:15.320 in their underwear, and they keeping their socks, they put 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:20.040 in their brazier, and oh, people treat money horribly. Even 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.000 brand new money has a stinch to it. After a while, 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:28.320 the truck gets this mix of booty, short money and 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:32.840 new money. This job is filled with wonderful aromas. 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.520 David carts around a lot of other people's money, but 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.800 he has very little of his own. He makes eight 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:43.040 dollars and fifteen cents an hour. Technically speaking, he has 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.040 less than zero dollars because he and his wife, Tammy, 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.920 are in debt. And as David drives his route day 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.640 after day through the streets of the town he grew up, 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.080 and he can't help but think a lot about how 0:11:56.120 --> 0:12:04.480 his life was supposed to work out differently. Growing up 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.680 in Gastonia, David spent a lot of time squirrel hunting 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.720 and drag racing, figuring out how to make his own fun. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:15.080 To my mindset, if you're bored, you're not creative enough, 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.560 and so we would. We would invent stuff. We made 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:19.319 our own wine. 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:26.319 It was horrible. Another hobby was sneaking into the lakeside 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.560 properties where the rich folks kept their vacation homes and 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.880 hauling a cheap illuminum fishing boat straight past the note 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:34.000 trespassing signs. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.120 People come out on their docks and yell at us, 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:38.760 and that's that was just part of growing up. 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:42.640 But life wasn't all homemade wine and trespassing. He'd also 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.160 go to church with his parents and have long sit 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.079 downs with his dad for what they called the man's 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:55.080 breakfast eggs bacon, sausage, plus coffee and good conversation over 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.080 the breakfast table. David's dad taught him about the world, 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.280 how to act, how to present himself, what to expect 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:01.920 out of life. 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:05.880 You meet so and so's daughter, and if they find 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:09.520 you suitable, you get a good introduction. Next thing you know, 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:11.840 you've got a good job. You got a good wife, 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.040 you got the three point five kids, two dogs. You're 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:15.560 doing great. 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:19.280 David's dad had survived combat in World War Two before 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.360 coming home to raise a family. He made a solid 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.560 middle class living as a trucker, and his company once 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:27.560 gave him a plaque for pulling a couple out of 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:32.359 a burning car. His mom was another strapping American individualist. 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.240 One of David's chief memories of her is when she 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.959 gashed her arm wide open on her broken fruit bowl 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.720 and then drove herself to the hospital. Come on, boy, 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:47.040 I gotta go to doctor hardcore. His parents had life 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.080 down pat They didn't need a thing from anybody. 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.000 I wish I could be as tough as they were, 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:57.120 you know. That's one of my wandest wishes to make 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.520 them proud, and I struggled with that. 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.040 David earned his high school diploma, and then he joined 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.199 the military. He served in Desert Storm as a mechanic 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:10.240 fixing Apache helicopters. While he was deployed, he started getting 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.959 letters from acute cashier he met at the wind Dixie 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.439 grocery store back home, a girl named Tammy. They wrote 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.240 back and forth, and soon they were trading love letters. 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:23.440 David married Tammy soon after finishing his tour in the army, 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:27.400 and they eventually settled back in Gestonian. He played by 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.760 the rules just like his dad had taught him, and 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.800 he expected to be rewarded with a life just like 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:36.680 his parents had. But while he had the girl, he 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:40.000 still didn't have the other pieces to the puzzle. Turns 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:43.120 out no civilians had an Apache helicopter for him to fix. 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:48.600 The economic opportunities were kind of slim, and I was 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.680 struggling financially and I had a new wife, and I'm 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:53.680 thinking in the back of my head and eventually we're 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.240 going to have kids. We're not going to make it 0:14:56.280 --> 0:15:01.320 on this, and I started really sol search being a 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:06.040 married man and trying to be like my dad. To me, 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:10.280 I felt like a failure. And I did some really 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:15.480 menial jobs that didn't pay anything, didn't mean nothing to me, 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.800 and that's where I ended up working for Wells Fargo. 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:23.400 It's actually Loomis Fargo, a private company that drives the 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:24.640 big bank's money around. 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.400 Being a driver Wells Fargo is getting up at the 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:32.800 same time every morning, putting on the same uniform every morning, 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.680 getting in the same truck with the same person every day, 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.880 What do you do the same route every day. 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:47.240 That route began and ended at the Loomis Fargo facility, 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.720 a nondescript building outside of town, surrounded by a chain 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:54.200 link fence. Besides the vault where the money was kept, 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.320 there was also a cash room where the money was counted. 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:01.600 And everyone in there was making shit pay, and there 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.720 were a lot of jokes about, you know, like snatching 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:06.080 as much cash as they could. 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.360 We would joke with them about running off to you know, 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:14.600 Jamaica or whatever. The management at Loomis Fargo did not 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:20.960 appreciate any type of dark humor in that industry. 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:25.560 David did, however, have one personality trait beloved by all 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:26.520 bank managers. 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.400 I'm very impulsive. It kind of brings me a weird 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:34.360 sense of joy to do something. Just if I see 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.560 something interest me, I might just go do it. 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.440 But David kept his impulsive side and check. He kept 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:43.240 up with the grind, never missing a payment on the 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.800 mobile home he shared with Tammy. Then one day at 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:51.000 Loomis Fargo, he met a new employee, a woman who 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.720 broke up the monotony and threatened to set David's impulsive 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.840 side free. 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.840 I remember one day pulling in when I was still 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:05.680 a driver, and David Gant comes up to the vehicle 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.000 and I opened the door. He says, I'll be your 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.960 friend if you'll give me a cigarette. I said, I 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.960 don't need any more friends, but i'll give you a cigarette. 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:18.480 Kelly Jane Campbell had certain desirable qualities. 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.600 I did know that I was good looking. I mean, 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.600 of course, I had a lot of attention from a 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:24.240 lot of guys. 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:28.200 In other words, she's the ideal character for any Loomis 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:31.199 Fargo employee to imagine running off to Jamaica with. 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.920 And then we just kind of became friends from there 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:37.000 and started talking and stuff. I knew he was attracted 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:37.320 to me. 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.640 We chit chatted and talked, and we shared a lot 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:46.600 in common. We had grown up similar from similar areas, 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.760 similar backgrounds, blue collar words, lots of talk around and 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:55.480 that's where our friendship sort of began. And after that 0:17:55.800 --> 0:18:00.640 it kind of grew. And I don't know how to. 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:05.120 Explain it now. A polite Southern man, especially married one, 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.880 doesn't talk about this sort of thing without beating around 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:09.280 the bush. 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:14.760 A little good look a woman, blonde hair, blue eyes, 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:19.919 I don't know, but she was very pretty warm, and 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:21.120 I was attractive tour. 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:26.840 I was not physically attracted to him, but he was funny. 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:45.720 He was funny oof. For all their differences, Kelly and 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.960 David did have one thing in common. They wish their 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:52.399 lives had worked out differently. They were already swimming in 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:54.400 regret and they were just in their twenties. 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.200 I got married when I was eighteen. My mom tried 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.520 to talk me out of it. Is she of course, 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.200 your mom knows you better than anybody else. I got 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.359 married to Jimmy Campbell. He had had a crush on 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.400 me all through junior high. His the nickname of Spanky. 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.879 Everybody knowed him as Spanky even in school, and he 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.399 said it was because he looked like Spanky from the 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:17.080 Little Rascals when he was a kid. 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:18.560 It stug. 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:23.720 Spanky drove a cement truck and later operated a bulldozer 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:27.359 at a landfill. Kelly worked off and on while taking 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:28.600 care of her two kids. 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:33.359 Money wasn't plentiful. We basically lived from paycheck to paycheck. 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:37.760 I mean, he was a hard person to get along 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:38.800 with sometimes. 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.080 Kelly also had a son from before she and Spankey 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.919 were together, and Spanky and the boy did not get along. 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.119 David had his own problems, of course, and the struggles 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:54.280 of adult life, of bad marriages, low paying jobs drew 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:55.439 Kelly and David together. 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.720 When you're not happy and you're marriage, it's just it 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:00.879 starts out with you know. It was just nice to 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:04.119 have somebody to talk to that's different, somebody you convent 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:06.119 to that's not in the situation. 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.440 We talked about a lot of different things. It was 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.080 kind of like a breath of fresh air to have 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:16.320 somebody that you could talk across to. At least for me, 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:18.560 we spoke the same language. 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.439 This continued on for about a year, David nurturing a 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:27.879 serious crush Kelly eh enjoying a friendly ear, willing to listen. 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:32.520 But then Kelly left Lumis Fargo for another job. She 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.439 and David stayed in touch a bit, but neither of 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:39.560 their circumstances really changed much. David was still married to Tammy, 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:43.159 still in debt, still feeling like a failure, while Kelly 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:47.520 kept moving along with her own life, marriage troubles, financial woes, 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.240 and then Kelly started hanging out with another guy she 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:53.960 kept in the friend zone over the years, a guy 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:58.800 named Steve Chambers. For all the so called unwanted attention 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:02.239 Kelly got from guy She tended to get along with 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:03.240 them better than women. 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:06.879 It's sad to say, but a female stab you in 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:08.639 the back a lot quicker than male will. 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.159 So Steve declined to talk to us for the story. 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:15.520 By the way, we contacted his lawyer and followed up, 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:18.840 but never heard back. He and his then wife Michelle 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:21.760 are the only main players from this gang of yahoos 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:23.000 you won't hear from directly. 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:27.600 Steve. He could talk good talk. After high school, there 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:30.280 was a lot of years where we didn't see each other, 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:33.920 and then when he started coming back around, he said 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:37.560 that he had these connections with people, and he always 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:43.240 fancied the movie Godfather, and I think that's where a 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:46.600 lot of his persona came from. He liked to talk 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.800 bigger than what he really was. I think he had 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:52.119 a very good imagination. 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:58.240 Steve did give a brief interview to Jeff Diamont back 0:21:58.240 --> 0:21:58.920 in the day. 0:21:59.160 --> 0:21:59.800 Steve had to go. 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:02.640 He he was kind of a burly guy. He often 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:06.359 borrowed language from gangster movies like Goodfellas. He also had 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:10.320 a history of various petty crimes that had maybe familiarized 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:11.840 him with certain ways of operating. 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:14.560 In other words, Steve wasn't all talk when it came 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:17.800 to his criminal persona. Although he was a bit of 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:19.480 a professional squealer. 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:22.200 He was somebody who would call the FBI about crimes 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:25.600 that had not yet happened, but which he knew were 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:27.199 being planned, and the reason he knew they were being 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:29.640 planned with because he was helping plan them. 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:32.480 As part of his made man persona. Steve liked to 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:36.760 entertain people in his trailer. He'd serve steaks, pass out drinks, 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:40.879 and generally talk bullshit. One day, Kelly went over to 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.560 Steve's house for beers in a game of Uno, which 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:46.600 would turn out to be the most consequential game of 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:50.399 Uno in history. At first, Kelly didn't think much of 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:52.639 it when Steve made a bold proposal. 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:56.159 Steve started talking about, have you ever. 0:22:56.080 --> 0:23:01.920 Thought about doing something big, like real big at Loomis Fargo? 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:05.679 And I'm like, well, I don't. First, he says, and 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:09.560 I'm sure he's seen it in a movie somewhere. He says, well, 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:12.720 what do you think about You take a hangarnaid and 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:14.760 put it on the window and they'll run out of 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:17.600 the vehicle and then you can rob it, and I'm like, no, 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.080 that wouldn't work. I said, it's armor. I don't even know. 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:23.600 That's too dangerous. So he just, you know, we start 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:26.960 throwing around ideas about how you could rob a. 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:29.960 Truck, just your run of the mill uno chit chat. 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:32.280 Most of his were outlandish like that. But then when 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:35.639 he found out that David Gant was attracted to me, 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:36.240 and he's like. 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:37.879 Well, do you still talk to him? 0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:41.440 I said, yeah, I still talk to him sometimes. He's like, well, 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:45.320 you think about he would rob the place? I said, 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:48.560 m maybe I could probably talk him into it. He 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:49.679 does work in the vault. 0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:59.560 Since Kelly left Loomis Fargo, David had been promoted to 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:02.560