1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Buck 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 2: with you? 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 3: Buck? What is going on man? Not too much DJ. 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: Just another eventful week in the land of football. Yeah, 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: we've Yeah, eventful is one way to put it there. Yeah, 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: We've got a lot of interesting things have happened around 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: the league. We always have one eye towards the draft 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: as well, which is why I'm excited for the guests 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: that we have joining us here in just a minute. 11 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 2: We're also going to hit a little hot or not 12 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: a little bit later on we talk about some guys 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: who are really clicking. We usually do more hot than 14 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: not on this in that segment, which we'll get to 15 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 2: in a little bit. But before we do that, I'm 16 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: excited for this guest, and I'm excited to talk a 17 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 2: little draft, all right, Buck. Excited to have Trevor join us. 18 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: I know you guys have heard him on here before. 19 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: He's excellent. Trevor Sikimum. He is the PFF Lead Draft 20 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 2: analyst co host of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast and 21 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: the pf F NFL Show. Trevor, Welcome back, man, How 22 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: you doing. 23 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 4: I'm doing fantastic. 24 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: Glad to be on the program here now in the 25 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: month of November, so it shows that you are like us. 26 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: The draft season never sleeps, so it's good to be 27 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: with you guys, no matter what. 28 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: Well, I would say it never sleeps, but I would 29 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: say that I take a nap. So now I'm just 30 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: kind of like getting that that's fair. Yeah, I take 31 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: a little nap at the beginning of the season. So now 32 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: I'm waking up and starting to get going. And we 33 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 2: want to get into some big picture thoughts You've got. 34 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: I believe you have a mock draft out now, so 35 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: I want to I want to talk a little bit 36 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: about big picture class, what this is looking like position 37 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: wise here in a little bit. But before we get 38 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: to the future, I want to go to the past 39 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 2: a little bit. And let's, uh, let's look at these 40 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 2: quarterbacks from this current class. Biggest surprise for you, maybe 41 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: maybe good or bad. I go wherever you want, but 42 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: just biggest surprise from these rookie quarterbacks so far. 43 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: Man, biggest surprise, let me think, because I honestly like 44 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: they're all I guess I would say Bonix, like Bonix 45 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: is like the obvious one, but I was also kind 46 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: of a bo Nicks believer. Now, did I think he 47 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: looked this good year one? No, But I felt like 48 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: the version of Bonix that we're seeing right now was 49 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: in the cards for him. I felt like it'd be 50 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: year two, year three. But the way that he is 51 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,839 Speaker 1: playing is a lot of the strengths that we saw 52 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: during his time when he was at Oregon. I just 53 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: think that there are a good amount of people who 54 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: sort of watched his time at Oregon and thought that 55 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: he was just this screen merchant, as the kids say, right, 56 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: I mean, like I throw behind the line of scrimmage, 57 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: you're not throwing it deep down the field. I mean, 58 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: last time I was on with you guys, I remember 59 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: talking about those third and long situations, third and seven 60 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: plus and Bonix graded out very highly in those, but 61 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: he wasn't a pushing at beast to sticks a lot. 62 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: So now this marriage with him and Sean Payton, it 63 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: was one of my favorite potential quarterback head coach pairings 64 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: that we were going to have in this class, and 65 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: we ended up getting it. 66 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 4: And here we are. 67 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: I think we're well ahead of schedule for Bonnicks, and 68 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: so I think that him being that far ahead of 69 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: schedule as a surprise, and then for as much as 70 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: jayde and Daniel was the Heisman Trophy winner, I mean, 71 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: playing as well as he did basically from week two 72 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: to week seven, I mean he was like to we 73 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: will talk about this guy in an MVP conversation, not 74 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: just in an offensive Rookie of the Year conversation. So 75 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: those two, to me, I feel like, really stand out 76 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: as in a good way honestly. And the other ones, yeah, 77 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: they're struggle and rookie quarterbacks struggle. Y'all know this, your 78 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: listeners know this. And so those are the two that 79 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: I've been really pleasantly surprised with. 80 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say is real quick, and I'll let buck 81 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: jump in because I don't want Buck Buckle get hit 82 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: with homerism. If he makes this comment that I'm getting 83 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: ready to make. I could make the case that since 84 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: he's got in the lineup, that what Drake May is 85 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: doing with who he's with, and that is a big 86 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: picture who he's with. 87 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: You take that however you want. 88 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: On the field, calling plays everything alltogether, like what he's 89 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: working with the infrastructure he has there. I could make 90 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: an argument what he's doing is more impressive. I don't 91 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: care what the stat sheet says. Obviously the two you 92 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: mentioned are playing have played excellent football, But I man, 93 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: Drake may was he can't get out there because he's 94 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: going to drown because of the lack of support staff. 95 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: And it turns out he's just distributing floaties and keeping 96 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: the rest of this whole thing afloat, which is pretty 97 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: incredible as. 98 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: A rookie, I think, I think to me, it was 99 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: always you don't start him if you think he's going 100 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: to get killed behind this offensive line. To me, it 101 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: was never really a oh, you don't start him because like, 102 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: he's not going to be ready for the NFL game. 103 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: He had two years at UNC where he basically led 104 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: the country in big time throws like this dude knows 105 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: how to play the game of football. 106 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 4: So to see. 107 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett sort of, you know, struggling behind this offensive 108 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: line just not giving this offense very much choice. As 109 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: long as you thought that Drake wasn't going to get hurt, 110 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: this was always the path that like, Okay, put him 111 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: out there, like let's see him learn, and man, you 112 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: talked about some of the great throws he has honestly 113 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: what he's doing with his legs as well, getting out 114 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: of pressure, adding that element to his game. I mean 115 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: we're seeing that from obviously Josh Allen's the name that 116 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: everybody talks about with the you know, the the bigger, 117 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: big arm quarterbacks who have that ability in the run game. 118 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: But like we're seeing you with Justin Herbert as well 119 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: throughout this season, where Drake may is that archetype. He's 120 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: not there yet obviously as a quarterback, but like that's 121 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: the path he can be on with the physical talent 122 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: that he has with his arm strength and now with 123 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: his legs. So I think that's a great shout out 124 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: by you. It's been a smaller sample size, but no 125 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: doubt about it. I Mean we even got two to 126 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: three games into him playing for New England and it's like, 127 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: all right, they made They're good. 128 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, So now I feel like the elephant in 129 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 5: the room would be Caleb Williams. 130 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on Caleb. 131 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 5: Williams and whatever whatever has taken place in Chicago. Are 132 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 5: they holding him back or do we need to see 133 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 5: more from him to really kind of realize the potential 134 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 5: that we thought he was going to be No. 135 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: I don't think I could fairly say that they're holding 136 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: him back. And when I say that, I mean that 137 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: the offensive line has not been good. I think the 138 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: play calling obviously wasn't great with Shane Walder no longer 139 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: being the offense coordinator there, I want to make that 140 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: very clear. But Caleb has also shown air is where 141 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: he really needs to grow. It feels like Caleb is 142 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: trying to prove to everybody that he is this pocket 143 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: passer and he's just like he's staying in the pocket 144 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: and he's not allowing himself to be creative. You know, 145 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: it's funny we're doing this after Week eleven, Thomas Brown 146 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: his for his first game as the play caller, and 147 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: my big takeaway with Caleb is he just looked more confident. 148 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: The time to throw was his second lowest so far 149 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: throughout his NFL career in a single game. They ran 150 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: more screens, more play action, more under center stuff, and 151 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: very clearly everything just felt very confident, very confident with 152 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: what he was doing, and it felt more for lack 153 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: of better terms, NFL e with what he was going 154 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: to be able to do. And I think a fault 155 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: of Shane Waldron. It's easy to criticize when things go well, 156 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: so I don't love doing that. But I think a 157 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: fault of Shane Waldron was he probably tried to make 158 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: it a little too much like usc like a little 159 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: too much like college, and so the offense felt a 160 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: little usc Ish. And yet Caleb didn't want to do 161 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: a lot of that improvising stuff because he wanted to. 162 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: I think he had been told by a lot of people, Hey, 163 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: can't do that in the league. 164 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 4: Can't do that in the league. 165 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 3: On schedule, on schedule, on schedule. 166 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: And I felt as though he was much more comfortable 167 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: being himself what we saw with Chicago. So they have 168 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: the toughest schedule in the NFL remaining, So I don't 169 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: know if it's going to yield a lot of wins, 170 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: but it was at least a nice showing from what 171 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: we saw against Green Bay. 172 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 4: But that's sort of my observations. 173 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're on the same page there. 174 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: I've talked about the fact that he's just been He's 175 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: feel like he's anchored in the pocket, Like that's not 176 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: who you are, Like why are we drop an anchor here? 177 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: Like it's just like somebody pushed the pause button on 178 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: the controller when you're watching, like, what are we doing? 179 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: And we were talking about this earlier in the week, 180 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: and this is a great It's great to have you 181 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: on because this is a PFF stat which is one 182 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: of the cool things, which, by the way, you can 183 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: you can sign up for PFF Plus today you can 184 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: unlock all their famous player grades and premium stats. Let 185 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: me give you an example of how cool this is. 186 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: And I use it all the time. So if we're 187 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: to believe kind of the thought process, all good quarterbacks 188 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: play on time, they play with instructure. That's how you 189 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: win in the NFL. Okay, Well, then explain this to 190 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: me then, because through PFF Ultimate, I can go in 191 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: here and I can sort it. Here are the quarterbacks 192 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: that have scrambled the most. 193 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 3: In the league. 194 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: And tell me who's playing poorly amongst this group. Jade Daniels, Brock, Party, 195 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: Bo Nicks, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes, 196 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: and then it's Stroud and then it's Caleb Williams. Like 197 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: that to me, if you're going to live in a 198 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: neighborhood of quarterbacks, that's a pretty darn good neighborhood to 199 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 2: live in. So I'm sitting here going why would you 200 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: take that away from Caleb? And last week was the 201 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 2: first time where I saw it, which reminded me of 202 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: kind of Josh Allen, the early Josh Allen where you're 203 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 2: going to live with some of the balls that got 204 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 2: away from him and some of the craziness that came 205 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: along with early Josh Allen. But Josh Allen also got 206 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: to the point early on was like, hey want to 207 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: I want to get the ball out quick. If it's 208 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: not there, I'm gone. I'm not going to sit back 209 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: here and anchor myself to the pocket. And that was 210 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: the first Gamelast week with Caleb where I was like, finally, 211 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: like go just go make something happen. And that's what 212 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: you know, kind of I saw last week was the 213 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: little difference there. 214 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: The biggest play of the game against the Kansay Chiefs 215 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: for the Buffalo Bills was what it was, the Josh 216 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: Scramble touchdown, right, I mean like that's what won them 217 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: the game. And you know, get a little ahead of 218 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: ourselves here talking about this year's quarterback class. It's why 219 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: I have Jaln Milroe as currently my quarterback one because 220 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: his skill set where he's not a perfect prospect obviously, 221 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that need to get better 222 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: with him when it comes to throwing on time and 223 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: accuracy and things like that. He is the skill set 224 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: of where the NFL is going. Like, he presents you 225 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: that ceiling of dual threat ability. It's why Anthony Richardson 226 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,599 Speaker 1: gets picked in the top five And might that have 227 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: been a little rich Okay, yeah, maybe, depending on how 228 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: things play out with Richardson, But it's like, you got 229 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: to take a chance on quarterbacks that can give you 230 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: that type of play because guess what, you're going to 231 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: have to play those quarterbacks when you get to where 232 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: you want to get to in the playoffs and to 233 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: win a super Bowl. So to me, you know, in 234 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: a quarterback class that I think has drawbacks on a 235 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: lot of these guys that we'll talk about throughout the year. 236 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: Right now, I look at Milroe and I go, Okay, well, 237 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: which one of these guys do I think has the 238 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: best chance to be in that conversation with those names 239 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: that you just listed, And I think that if he 240 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: keeps progressing, he presents that type of a ceiling. So again, 241 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: going back to Caleb Williams, buddy, this is why you 242 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: got drafted number one overall. Like you know, they didn't 243 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: want you to be just a pocket quarterback. They wanted 244 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: you to be more. And of course there was some 245 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: of the stuff that worked at USC that wasn't going 246 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: to work in the NFL. But you don't need to 247 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: beat yourself up in your head and tell yourself that 248 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: you will learn that naturally as you play the game. 249 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: You don't have to kind of, like you said, anchor 250 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: yourself to be something you're not. And so I agree 251 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: with those names that you listen and it's a great 252 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: thing to bring up. Those are the best quarterbacks in 253 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: the NFL. Those are the quarterbacks that put the most 254 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,359 Speaker 1: stress on defenses week in and week out. 255 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 5: It's funny that you bring up Javin Millroe because it 256 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 5: kind of naturally takes me to a segue not of 257 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 5: the rookie quarterback, but a second year quarterback, Anthony Richardson. 258 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 5: What did you think Anthony Richardson, how did you expect 259 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 5: him to play in the league when you were projecting 260 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 5: him as a collegiate player, and what do you think 261 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 5: of what we've seen for him, particularly coming off, I 262 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 5: would say the best performance of his career last week 263 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 5: against the Jets. 264 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with you there, And look, as 265 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: a Florida Gator alum myself, I watched every single game 266 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: of Anthony Richardson. I watched every single snap, and when 267 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: he got drafted number four overall, I'm not gonna lie myself, 268 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: and a lot of my fellow Gator grads were like, Okay, 269 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: it's going to be a little bit of a journey. 270 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 4: Now. 271 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: You saw the flashes when he was at Florida, but 272 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: very clearly it was going to be a work in progress. 273 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: And that's why, especially with Okay, you look at last year, 274 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: he starts out of the gate, doesn't look so bad. 275 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: It looks like the quarterback combination between him and Chane Steiken, 276 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: it was going to be a good environment for him 277 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: to evolve and work in. Then he goes through the concussion, 278 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: then he's got the shoulder injury, can't play the rest 279 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: of the year. 280 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 4: That's a bummer. 281 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: So you got to think one year starter at Florida, 282 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: already a young guy, already a young player, one year 283 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: of starting at Florida where he's really just kind of 284 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. And you got to remember 285 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: this too. He was recruited for the Mullen offense. They 286 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: end up moving on to Billy Napier, so he's learning 287 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: a new offense anyways, getting in as a first time 288 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: player there. He only gets whatever it was, four to 289 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: five games in his rookie year with the Colts, and 290 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: so yeah, it's almost still like an extension of his 291 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: rookie year this year, and that's what made it sort 292 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: of frustrating. There are a lot of things to go 293 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: into this, right, I mean, him, me and bench for 294 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco. It could be a myriad of things. If 295 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: it was just because he wasn't playing consistent enough, I 296 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: don't agree with that. If it was, you know, him 297 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: tapping himself out and kind of like learning a leadership 298 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: lesson there, I can certainly understand that. 299 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 4: I get it. Again, he's a young dude, a young quarterback. 300 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 4: I can understand that. 301 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: But going back to the point that Bucky said that 302 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: this past game being his best game, I mean, I'm 303 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: just watching it and you naturally go through it with 304 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: a lens of him versus Joe Flacco and what Joe 305 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: Flacco would have brought to the table. Versus Anthony Richardson. 306 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: There is a play in the first quarter where the 307 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: Jets are playing Cover three and so it's middle of 308 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: the field closed, there's a linebacker level and then there's 309 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: that safety level there. Anthony Richardson takes the snap, it's 310 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: almost immediate pressure right in his face up the middle, 311 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: and before he can even really properly end his I 312 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: think it's a five step drop. The second his back 313 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: foot hits he is off balance and he fires that 314 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: ball into a crosser right to the hands of Michael 315 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: Pittman Junior, beyond the linebacker level before the safety could 316 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: come down and make a play on the ball, and 317 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: you go, that's it. That's it right there. There is 318 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: a great quarterback in there with Anthony Richardson. You just 319 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: got to give him some time to figure out whether 320 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: or not you're going to be able to get it consistently. 321 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: But what I also love fourth quarter Elite PFF passing grade. 322 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: He was eight for ten with one hundred and twenty 323 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: nine passing yards that final drive, just that final drive 324 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: that won them the game for three passing sixty passing yards. 325 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: He had a big time throwing the fourth quarter as well, 326 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: and so I was very encouraged by what I saw 327 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: from him, but he was always going to take a 328 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: little bit of time with Richardson, and it will still 329 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: after this week. But you gotta be okay with it 330 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: because he gives you that ceiling again to bring up 331 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: those group of quarterback names that he listed. He brings 332 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: you the ceiling to be in that group of names, 333 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: and so you got to figure out whether or not 334 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: he can hit that or not. 335 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: It's interesting, It's gonna interesting to see just you know, 336 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: can he continue to take the strides, take the steps. 337 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: I think one of the things you could connect with 338 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: him and with Caleb early on is, look, we can 339 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: evolve and get to one, two, three run, but right now, 340 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: let's go one run. Let's if we if we like 341 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 2: our early look, bang it, take it. If that's not there, 342 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: let's let's be a little early then then rather than 343 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: be a little late with our legs. And eventually, the 344 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: more you see, the more you see defenses, the more 345 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: you get comfortable in the league. Now we can work 346 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: a little bit deeper into progressions. But I think there 347 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 2: is a tie there with those types of players, is 348 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: like the just be a little bit early as opposed 349 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: to a little bit late and use our legs if 350 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 2: we have to. I want to spend it forward. This 351 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: draft class. I'm just getting rolling into it, my early 352 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 2: takeaways on it, and I want to get your thirty 353 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: thousand foot view of the class. It's kind of one 354 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: of those it feels like, you know, line of scrimmage, 355 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: good depth, defensive line, offensive line depth. I don't know 356 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: that there's the premiere premiere guys at those spots. It 357 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: feels like running back and tight ends really deep, really 358 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: really good receiver does not feel like it is where 359 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: it's been recently. Corner not necessarily where it's been where 360 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 2: you'd like it to be. And then quarterback. It just 361 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: I hope, I hope that somebody's gonna as I get 362 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: deeper into it, somebody's going to jump off and get 363 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: me excited. I know you have a little a little 364 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: heat there for for Milrow, but it kind of it's 365 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: I don't want to say it's like at the Kenney 366 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: Pickett year or it's the uh, you know, the Geno year, 367 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: one of those years. But man, early on in the process, 368 00:15:58,680 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: I'm getting a little bit. 369 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 3: Of that vibe. 370 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that it's better than the twenty twenty 371 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: two season. I do, but you know, it's certainly not 372 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: last year's. It's somewhere in between at this point in time. 373 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 5: Now. 374 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: Obviously we got a couple of games left in the 375 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: regular season, and then for a number of these guys, 376 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna have the bowl season more importantly, like the 377 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: College Football Playoff. I think that's a really cool evaluating 378 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: tool that we have now because if you go from 379 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: that first round of the College Football Playoff to the 380 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: National Championship, you're playing what three or four really meaningful 381 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: games there at the end of the season. 382 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 4: So anytime you get to play for a piece. 383 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: Of hardware, you know you take note of that when 384 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: you're watching that type of film. So a lots on 385 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: the line for a lot of these guys. So I'm 386 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: gonna love that as well. But I agree with you. 387 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: Running back super deep feels like it's always super deep 388 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: every single year. But holy cal Obviously Ashing Genty at 389 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: the top is absolutely the monster what he's doing, but 390 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: there's so many guys beyond him that I think are 391 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: fantastic wide receiver. I would agree with you. I love 392 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: Tetsuoe McMillan at the very top from Arizona. He is 393 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: just a unique type of a wide receiver. But after 394 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: that gets a little bit of a pick your preference, 395 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: you know, like Luther Burdon from Missouri didn't really have 396 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: the year that we wanted him to have. You know, 397 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: Isaiah Bond is in there, his speed from Texas. Is 398 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: that really a trade that you gravitate towards Elicio Maynor 399 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: from Stanford, somebody that I really like, a guy who 400 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: plays a lot of strength. 401 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 4: He's got a track background to him. He'll block his 402 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 4: ass off. 403 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: So wide receiver, there's still good ones there, maybe not 404 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: as high profile as before. 405 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 4: I agree with you. 406 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: A great year to get a tight end, great year 407 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: to get a ty end. I mean Colson Lovelin and 408 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: Tyler Warren potentially his first round guys. But then after 409 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: that you got Mason Taylor, you got Gunnar Elmod, you 410 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: got yeah the Miami kid. You got Eli Stowers from Vanderbilt, 411 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: and what Vanderbilt's doing this year, Harold Fannon junior going 412 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: crazy for Bowling Green. There's a lot of good tight 413 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: ends there, offensive and defensive line. 414 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 4: I would agree with you. 415 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: I think it's more of an appreciation of Okay, this 416 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: is a depth type of draft, rather than we got 417 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: a trade up to go get one of these offensive 418 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: tackles that we know is going to start right away 419 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: or something like that linebacker. Yet it's going to be tough, 420 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 1: I think to find a handful of starting linebackers from 421 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: this class. 422 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 4: Corner decently deep, we'll see. And then safety. 423 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: Safety is just all over the place all the time 424 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: because it's so dependent on how you deploy your secondary 425 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: from team to team. Like some safeties which just are 426 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: not going to work with some teams. Some they're going 427 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: to be stars, they're going to change things, and so 428 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: it's always tough to sort of it's always tough to 429 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: rank safeties in a vacuum or without a type of 430 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: a scheme that you're working towards. 431 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 4: But that's also sort of how I see this class 432 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 4: right now. 433 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: All right, Buck, let's take a let's say a quick break, 434 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 2: and we'll be right back after this. 435 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 5: You know, Trevor is funny because the league is kind 436 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 5: of undergoing a bit of a turn at the clock 437 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 5: moment where we're seeing more teams kind of lean into 438 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 5: the running game, leaning to physicality and toughness in those things, 439 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 5: and for years to debate in the scouting world was 440 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 5: running backs and devaluation of the running back position. This year, 441 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 5: you talk about the depth and the talent of the 442 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 5: running back position kind of being at the point where 443 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 5: maybe you take some of those guys early. Do you 444 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 5: think that changes based on the talent that you're seeing 445 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 5: in the college landscape. 446 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: I think that it's a good year for those two 447 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: combinations to yield a good amount of running backs that 448 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,959 Speaker 1: are getting drafted decently high, because you know in college 449 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: you're going to see a lot of really productive backs 450 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: that come out all the time. But the NFL is, 451 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: like you said, been a little bit more reluctant to 452 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: pick those guys with those high selections just because you 453 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: know positional value will come into place, and okay, well 454 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: can we get a running back every year type of 455 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: a thing. But man, there are some just absolute studs. 456 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Travon Henderson and Quinn Shawn Judkins from Ohio State, 457 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: Omarion Hampton from North Carolina. I mentioned Ashton gent from 458 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: Boise State, Caleb Johnson kind of coming out of nowhere 459 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: with Iowa and the I mean, like, these are all 460 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: dudes that I think could be in a top fifty 461 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: of rankings that you'd think about back into the first round, 462 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: early part of the second round, all those guys. Maybe 463 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: you're even thinking about Jashon Genty in the top twelve 464 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: because he's been that good in college football. So I 465 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: do agree with you that we are seeing a little 466 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: bit of a run rece right and we knew that 467 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: it was coming. And I think that people look at 468 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: the NFL right now and they go like, oh man, 469 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: you know, like offenses they're down, like, you know, it's 470 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: not a fun league to watch. I think it's fascinating 471 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: to watch because for three or four years we had 472 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: these quarterbacks throwing for all sorts of yards and touchdowns 473 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: and everything. And now defensive coordinators have kind of figured 474 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: it out. Now there has been that chess match of 475 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: them being able to move a piece and defend guys 476 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: in the run. 477 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 4: But I don't think. 478 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: I don't think we're like about to change back to like, okay, 479 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: now we're going back to like crazy all out passing. 480 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 4: We're gonna see a lot more teams invest in the run. 481 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: For as much as we talk about Jayden Daniels, it's 482 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: the run game in Washington that is allowing them to 483 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: be successful. 484 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 4: Look at the Philadelphia Eagles. 485 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: They have Jalen Hurts, they have Aj Brown, they have 486 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: Devonte Smith, and it is the Saquon Barkley offense. Look 487 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: at the Los Angeles Rams. Everybody thinks about, oh my gosh, 488 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: Sean mcfay. It's what he can do as a passer, 489 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: that play designer. It's the run game. It's Kyron Williams. 490 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: That's how they win football games. And so there's a 491 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: lot of teams around the league who are giving you 492 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: that blueprint that you be invested in the run. It's 493 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: not going to be a wasted investment because that's currently 494 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: where the league's at. 495 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: Men A lot of times you say, okay, we invest 496 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 2: in the offensive lineman, we'll find the running backs mid tier. 497 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 2: We're not going to come out of pocket in free 498 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: agency for running backs. We're not going to go early 499 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: in the draft. But then the NFC in and of itself, 500 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: Detroit Lions Jamier Gibbs, first round pick, investments paid off 501 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens, Derek Henry free agent top of the market, 502 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 2: it's paid off Philadelphia Saquon Barkley, top of the market, 503 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 2: it's paid off Atlanta Falcons, first place team, top ten 504 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: running back in the draft, like all of a sudden, 505 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 2: Now it's not. I think it's just look, you're gonna 506 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 2: see two high safeties every week, and this obsession with 507 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 2: with not giving up explosive plays. Everything comes back around, Buck, 508 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: as you always say, like, it's going to all come 509 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 2: back around. So it's not only hey, we need to 510 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 2: you know, build up the offensive line and then drop 511 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: in a committee of backs. It's you know what a 512 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 2: dynamic running back with these looks we're going to get 513 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 2: every week is how we're going to try and make 514 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 2: up some of the explosive plays. We're going to lose 515 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 2: the pass game. So it is interesting how everything kind 516 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: of comes around full circle. Last question for you. I 517 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 2: appreciate your time day, Trevor. This has been a lot 518 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: of fun. I'm always I'm always looking forward to as 519 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: we get into the draft season, into the process of 520 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 2: some you know, smaller school guys. They're fun. We'll see him, 521 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 2: you know, always at some of the All Star games. 522 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 2: They'll they'll pop up and we'll get a chance to 523 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: evalue him against better competition. Is there somebody early on 524 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 2: in the process as you've been going through this, uh, 525 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: maybe not the not a marquee school, but a player 526 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: that you're looking forward to seeing as we go through 527 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 2: the spring. 528 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 529 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, one that jumps out to me 530 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: immediately is sort of what Harold Finn and Junior the 531 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: tight end at Bowling Green, has been able to do 532 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: this year. I mean we're not just talking about like 533 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: a good year from Harold Finn and Junior. 534 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 4: I mean it's incredible. 535 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: I think he's got a ninety six point five receiving 536 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: grade for US already over a thousand yards receiving. 537 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 4: It's a really good tight end class. 538 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: I am looking forward to sort of him going through 539 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: the All Star process because I think that he's certainly 540 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: going to go through that, see what he's like at 541 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: the combine isy an athlete enough to get to that level. 542 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: And then two other guys that I do want to 543 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,479 Speaker 1: bring to the table going back to the trenches, Gray's 544 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: Abel from North Dakota State. 545 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 4: I mean this is just another. 546 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 2: Contra actually licensed to have a draftable offensive. 547 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: Lineman that's start again, and not only a draftable offensive lineman, 548 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: a draftable offensive lineman that goes to one of these 549 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: All Star events that just you know ends up going 550 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: somewhere in the top seventy five and ends up being 551 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: a good football player. I know people like him already, 552 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: but then Charles Grant's the other one from William and Mary. 553 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: I got him on my radar because my co host 554 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: at Locked On or Sorry, the NFL Stockey Change podcast, 555 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: Connor Rodgers, talked about him back in October, and so 556 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: we started watching his tape with William and Marry him. 557 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: You know, he's playing left tackle. I wonder where he's 558 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: going to play at the NFL level. I actually wonder 559 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 1: if maybe interior offensive line, perhaps center could be the 560 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: best spot for him because he plays left tackle now, 561 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: but it's sort of he's surviving against that level of competition. 562 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: I love, actually the quickness that he plays with to 563 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: potentially be one of those quicker interior offensive line guys. 564 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: So I think he's going to get a chance to 565 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: go through the process and be somebody who can make 566 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: a name for himself as at one of those offensive 567 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: line spots that we've seen over the last couple of years. 568 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 4: So those are a handful of small school guys that 569 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 4: come to mind. 570 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: Initially, Yeah, that's awesome, man. Again, this is it's my 571 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: favorite time here. It's Christmas. You think of opening presence, 572 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: that's like the draft for me because that's as I'm 573 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 2: really starting to get cranked up here as I think, 574 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 2: I think my first list is always when the junior 575 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 2: declared day is. So that's like the third week of January, 576 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,239 Speaker 2: I want to say. So I'm opening up my own presence. Man, 577 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 2: you've already got a chance to open them up, play 578 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: with some of these toys. Like I'm just they're still 579 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 2: wrapped under the tree right now. I'm excited to dig 580 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: into that. 581 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 3: Man. 582 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 4: I'm jumping in on the Black Friday deals. Man, I'm 583 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 4: getting early. I'm a bit earlier this year. 584 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. 585 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 5: Well. 586 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 2: Hey, if you haven't already, be sure to check out 587 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: Trevor in the podcast it is it is. Look you 588 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 2: can tell just by listening this is a smart NFL 589 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 2: guy who knows he was talking about and is in 590 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: love with the draft as much as we are. So 591 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 2: that's the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. You can also see 592 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 2: the PFF NFL Show. 593 00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 3: Trevor. 594 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: We've done a a few times, man, I definitely look 595 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 2: forward to doing it a few more as we head 596 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: towards the spring. But always enjoy our conversations. Best of 597 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 2: luck and happy holidays to you and the crew. 598 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 4: I appreciate it guys anytime. 599 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 3: Buck, let's do a little Hot or Not here. 600 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: This is Hot or Not brought to you by with 601 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: Sabbi Hot Cloud storage, store more and do more with 602 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 2: your data. Try them for free at Wassabbi dot com. 603 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 2: So we've got some candidates here of guys that we 604 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 2: could talk about being hot. I'm going to go with 605 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 2: the one that I'm most excited about. And it's just 606 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: kind of a feel good story and that is to 607 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 2: a tongue of Iloa, what he's done since he's come 608 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: back after getting a break after another concussion. Buck, this 609 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 2: offense is built for him, and it's just like it's 610 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 2: like a when we were growing up, people drove cars 611 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: with stick shifts. I don't I don't know any of 612 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 2: these kids really do that anymore. But you know, you 613 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 2: get into a car and be like, hey, you used 614 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 2: to be able to like you just drive your friend's car. 615 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 2: But then you get in there and be like, oh, 616 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 2: I don't know how to drive a stick shift, Like 617 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: I know how to drive my car, but I can't 618 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 2: drive this car like I feel like this Dolphins offense 619 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 2: only works. 620 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 3: With one driver, and that's what Tua, and he is 621 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: terrific doing it. 622 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 5: Having watched it first hand the opener, it's such a 623 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 5: unique offense because it's a mix of the quick rhythm 624 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 5: college stuff with some sped up pro concepts that are exotic. 625 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 5: You have playmakers on the outside that are really good, 626 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 5: not only as vertical threats but catching run specialists. And 627 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 5: you would think that, oh, well, anybody can just get 628 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 5: the ball to the playmakers and it works. But it's 629 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 5: something about Tua's quick rhythm ability, his efficiency, his accuracy 630 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 5: that really works. And I think DJ you coined this 631 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 5: phrase because you talked about him kind of being like 632 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 5: an RPO Jedi master when he was coming out the 633 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 5: way that he was. The Las Vegas Blackjack deal is 634 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 5: just flipping out the cards. It all works, and the Dolphins, 635 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 5: you know, they kind of fall out a playoff contention 636 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 5: when he's not available, but as soon as he comes back, 637 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 5: they're right back in the conversation. And if they're able 638 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 5: to get a win this week, you now have to 639 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 5: talk about them being in the hut. And as he 640 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 5: continues to gain his confidence with this offense and the 641 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 5: people around him they can continue to put up big points. 642 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting when you just look at that class. 643 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: Right with Joe Burrow playing literally MVP caliber football right now, 644 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 2: he's not getting any help from his defense. You look 645 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 2: at what Tua's doing in Miami. When he's been on 646 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 2: the field, he's been excellent. You could definitely make the 647 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 2: case he's their most valuable player because the team doesn't 648 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: work when he's not out there. You've got Justin Herbert 649 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: and the resurgent Los Angeles Chargers under Jim Harball. But 650 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 2: Herbert's playing outstanding. He hasn't turned the ball right, I 651 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: believe it's eight games now in terms of throwing interceptions. 652 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: Hasn't thrown interception, I should say in eight games. You've 653 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: got Jordan Love who I know the turnovers have been there, 654 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 2: but he's got the Packers playing good football, who's been excellent. 655 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 2: I feel like all these draft classes disappoint us, Buck 656 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 2: that one has not it's been excellent. Jalen Hurts was 657 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 2: in that class in the second round. 658 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 5: It's so funny, man, because that's why the conversation that 659 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 5: we always had about quarterback classes. Sometimes you kind of 660 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 5: have to ignore it because like people talked about their class, 661 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 5: but they didn't know justin Herbert had question marks around him. 662 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 5: To a tongue a boy Loa had health concerns. Jalen 663 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 5: Hurst wasn't on the radar for anybody in terms of 664 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 5: a potential second round pick. 665 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, Burrow was a one year guy. Yeah in 666 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 2: terms of the production right, But yet all those guys 667 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: hit with the original squads. 668 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 5: To me, I think it's telling or it reveals the 669 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 5: importance of the environment. Where do you drop them into, 670 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 5: who has an opportunity to work with them, how do 671 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 5: you build them up early in their careers? 672 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 3: All that matters. 673 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 5: And for Herbert who has kind of been like a 674 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 5: darling system beginning, Joe Burrow has been Darlings beginning, but 675 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 5: to a tongue of by Loa, the system really mattered. 676 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 5: And I would say the same was true for Jalen Hurts. 677 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 5: The system really enabled him to go to the next level. 678 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 5: And it was the second coach bringing in their system 679 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 5: that allowed them to really pop and go. 680 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 3: To the next level. 681 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, man, but yeah, two has been awesome. 682 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 2: Twenty eight thirty six, two eighty eight, three touchdowns in 683 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 2: a thirty four to nineteen win over the Raiders. All Right, 684 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: that was this week's Hot or Not segment, brought to 685 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 2: you by with Sabbi Hot Cloud Storage, store more and 686 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: do more with your data. Try them for free at 687 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: Withsabbi dot com, buck anything else you want to jump 688 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: into before we get out here. Was awesome having Trevor. 689 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 2: He's a good dude. Always enjoy our conversations with him. 690 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, DJ, it's so funny to already be thinking about 691 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 5: the next draft class, you know, talk about twenty twenty five. 692 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 5: Trevor had great insight on the depth of the class. 693 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 5: But it's trending towards what we talked about a year ago. 694 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 5: The drafts are not going to be what they were 695 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 5: in the past, where we thought, oh, it's gonna be 696 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 5: seven rounds full of depth and talent in those things. 697 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 5: Evaluate is going to have to be very, very shrewd 698 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 5: when it comes to what they identify as the strength 699 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 5: of the draft. And we talk about that fourth round 700 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 5: being the cliff. Everything falls off after the fourth You 701 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 5: better get the positions that are deep early and then 702 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 5: those other picks maybe you trade them away. Maybe we 703 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 5: don't see as much value in the fifth, sixth, and 704 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 5: seventh round. 705 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: Yeah no, that's gonna be fascinating to see how it 706 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: all shakes out. But again enjoyed that conversation. Appreciate Trevor 707 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: coming on the show. I appreciate you guys hanging with 708 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: us and we will see you tomorrow. Right here on, 709 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 2: move the sticks.