1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Jack and Miles. Uh, just checking in 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: to let you know what you're about to hear. Not 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: a standard episode of the show. These are our year 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: end uh, year um review and holiday themed episodes. So 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: if you're new to the show, UH, you know, you 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: can check back in the catalog for what the normal 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: episodes sound like. Uh. And you can listen to this 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: for our thought on the year. UH. And we're back 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: beginning of January with all new episodes and can't wait 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: to talk to you all that I Hello the Internet, 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: and welcome to this very special year end edition of 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: Joe Day's Eye Guys production of II Art Radio. I'm 13 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: Jack O'Brien ak oh, Brian's me, Oh, Brian's me. How 14 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: lovely are your haunches? Uh? That's something I just made 15 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: up and I'm thrilled to be joined at the only 16 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: time I co host Mr Miles Christ Miles have your 17 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: self for Wonderful Christmas Gray whatever that is. People hate 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: that song, but I funk with it because it's so bad. 19 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: It's like Christmas movies. Yeah, and the things I think. 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: Also the Delay Brown Clown Kong Clan. That ship also 21 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: a vibe with just from a production stands. Yeah, it's 22 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: definitely like one of the more unique sounding Christmas So 23 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 1: I think just different sleigh bells that they're allowing themselves 24 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: the license to say it's a Christmas song. Yeah, and 25 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: also they pretty they stay pretty on message with the 26 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: lyrics Wondersmas, Oh it's about Christmas. That was one of 27 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: those anti war anthems. McCartney, Yeah, um, hey who's that? 28 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: Send back then our special guest Mr DJ Daniel dani 29 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: All the red nose game. Er, boy, are those blood 30 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: vessels doing on your nose? Are those not great? The 31 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: doctor and he said you need to come back tomorrow, 32 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: my friend, you need to come back yesterday. And we're 33 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: thried to be joined in an airport's seat by the 34 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: hilarious the talented Soups produce on a holds me a 35 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to a rock I. I oh, what a time, 36 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 1: what a time to be alive. Guys. So this is 37 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: the episode where we just look back at the stories 38 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: that we missed this year. I feel like we didn't 39 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: miss that many stories because we do a story podcast. Um, 40 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: we missed so many, we did, but we're we're gonna 41 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: do uh, you know, just as a way of approaching it. 42 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: What were some stories that were overrated this year that 43 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: maybe even we spent too much time and intention on, uh? 44 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: And what were some stories that were underrated this year? 45 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: But first I want to start with stories that I 46 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: can't believe happened this year just because of the so 47 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: that oscars where Parasite won all the Oscars and Joakee 48 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: and Phoenix won an Oscar and gave a speech about 49 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: how we're we take baby cows away from their mothers. Uh, 50 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: that that happened this year. That that feels to me 51 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: like twenty years ago. Um right, that's right, Yeah, the 52 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: time when did the oscar? They were like right before 53 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: we had to shut it all down in February. Wait, 54 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: I'm doing some fact checking Jack, and that was actually 55 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: six years ago. So sorry, but you're incorrect. Let's remove 56 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: Jack from the show. He's clearly disinformation. She's drownded. She's drownded. 57 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: Uh cofee that was a Trump's gonna win. This election's 58 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: gonna be I do. I do feel like because the 59 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: Oscars are so much like based around celebrity culture and 60 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: celebrity worship, and that was something that kind of completely disintegrated. Uh, 61 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: this year that that seems longer ago to me um 62 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: for for some reason, specifically the Joaquin Phoenix speech, because 63 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: that was like based around one celebrity and uh was 64 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: an attention getting thing that I just seems irrelevant and 65 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: weird now that we ever cared. Um. Yeah, celebrity culture 66 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: definitely took a nose dive in this whole you know, pandemic. Well, 67 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: it was easier to like lift celebrities up when you 68 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: felt that there was still a chance you could also 69 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: hit it big whatever, that weird myth that dragon people 70 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: all of us to certain extent chase in terms of 71 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: what our vision is for what are you know, our 72 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: better future could be? And like when you get to 73 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: a where like your reality is so grim and you're 74 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: feeling like, man, this ship matters, Like you're you're hardly 75 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: going to find comfort, and someone who's like check out 76 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: my fucking wonderful privilege and wealth, like don't you guys 77 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: like this? And you kind of start being like, what 78 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: the funk is this? Which is why I think the 79 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: parasite becoming you know, best picture, it really did kind 80 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: of This has been like a theme throughout the year, 81 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: like increased class consciousness, uh, you know, although it's very 82 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: at a glacial pace. Yeah, I have both of those things. 83 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: In my sort of underrated stories of the year is 84 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: the dissolution of celebrity. Like looking at magazine stories about 85 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: celebrities now or even like late night show interviews with 86 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: like celebrities at home, it just feels like there's an 87 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: added layer. Like I was never super into those things, 88 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: so maybe I'm talking out of my ask, but like 89 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: it feels like there's an added layer of like dissonance 90 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: to it and irrelevance, like that, what why do we 91 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 1: want to hear from? Uh? Um, sorry to keep bagging 92 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: on Joaquin, but I like they're just any profile of 93 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: a of a famous person. I just feel like why 94 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't doesn't matter anymore. And then also, like with 95 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: the corporate media, I feel like the whole early days 96 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: of COVID where all the ads were like, now that 97 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: we're all in this together in these times, like that 98 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: also felt like a turning point to me in terms 99 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: of like how we think about corporate culture, Like I 100 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: think we're already trending in that direction, but um, yeah, 101 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: the Collective Earth was like fuck off, Like it was 102 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: like this is such heavy handed bullshit. Yeah, because they 103 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: all went to do the same exact move, and that 104 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: move was to emphasize an empathy and a humanity that 105 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: just isn't there and it like transparently isn't there at 106 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: the core uh corporate values. And so yeah, I don't 107 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: know like it. Like I remember after nine eleven, like 108 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: all American media became like a truck commercial for like 109 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: five years, and like that that worked because it was 110 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: like jumping on the whole you know, America jingoistic bullshit. 111 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: But like I feel like this was because of the 112 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: time that it came at and because of I think 113 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: there's also a sense in which, like because we were 114 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: all like you know, twenty two eight percent more depressed 115 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: than usual. Um. I've talked before about the study that 116 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: says people who are depressed actually like are better at 117 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: perceiving reality sometimes in some cases um or at least 118 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: have like more realistic and less like gauzy view of things. 119 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: And like, I feel like the way we started viewing 120 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: celebrity culture uh and corporate media culture and um, you know, 121 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: marketing were like both felt like we had the had 122 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: the scales removed from our eyes. Yeah, we've all been 123 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: celed Pilled, Yeah, a little bit, because I think now 124 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: it ushered in the era of like before celebrities are 125 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: just abstractions like these there's like ghosts who were like 126 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: did fun ship on social media and you didn't really 127 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: care much about like their personal lives is more like 128 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: the thing you'd scroll and be like, wow, they go 129 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: to here and travel here and eat this and buy this. 130 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: And when we start bringing it down to the level 131 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,679 Speaker 1: of like, wait, we're all humans, and now these people 132 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: are showing me what they're lived, like human experiences. And 133 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: now it's people are being more comparative, like in the 134 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: critical sense, not the comparative way where they're like I 135 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: don't have that, I want that, and now better, I'll strive. 136 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: I will strive for that based on this, you know, mirage, 137 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm feeding myself through the TV and screens or whatever that. 138 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: Now it's just it's gone completely different, and now the 139 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: comparisons like, man, fuck this person, like like what the 140 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: fuck they're they're going where right now? Do they know 141 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: what the funk is going on there? Like I'm out here, 142 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: like fucking world, I'm splitting WiFi with five different apartments 143 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: trying to just like minimize bills collective to other people. 144 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: And then these people are like being like, hey, we 145 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: flew everybody out to the secret location or this rooftop 146 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: party or this blah blah blah blah blah blah. And 147 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: I think that's really now It's it's less of like solidarity, 148 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: uh and more just like it's now we're starting to 149 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: see the divisions between even fans and like the celebrities. 150 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, that imagined video and the Madonna video 151 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: for the very small portion of the world that is 152 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: on social media and cares about Madonna, But like that 153 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: was wild when she was because what she said was true. 154 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: She was like, this just proves rolling it together. But 155 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: she was saying it from a bathtub filled with rose 156 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: pedals being shot by like an entire production team that 157 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: she was endangering by having there. And it's just like 158 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: those felt like such crystallizations of everything, uh that and 159 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: like you're saying that. The appearances were like, oh this 160 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: we're you're you're at your hou and everyone be like, 161 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: is that a fucking resort or is that like some 162 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: callous And I you know, I like knowing people who 163 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: work in late night there were like producers and other people. 164 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: Camera people are having to be more conscious of how 165 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: they were framing these homes because they were like, it's 166 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: not a great look to like walk around this person's 167 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: palatial estate right now, Um, why don't we set up 168 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: the shot my verandah, yeah, like I can do it 169 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: in the um slaves, I mean the servants quarters um, 170 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: and it'll look more like lo fi. But yeah, like 171 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: it really is. Those you know, seeing this kind of 172 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: opulence too at a time when people are experiencing like 173 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: the polar opposite, I think helped, you know, people get 174 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: slightly out of it. Not everyone, though, because you still 175 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: see people in those mentions like or comments who are 176 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: like fighting on their behalf, like leave Kim alone if 177 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: she wanted to have a hologram birthday with her dad, 178 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: It's okay, I still love you, Kim. And then people 179 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: like so many people are like, yo, you're a fucking weirdo. 180 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: Get off of here, and also like feeling sorry for them, 181 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: like that that they've built their uh, you know, group 182 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: consciousness around being a fan of a celebrity who doesn't 183 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: know that Anna, you were pointing out something that's kind 184 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: of vaguely related as your story of the year. Yeah, 185 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: I mean my story of the year, I think it 186 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: happened at the beginning of the year, was that Ellen 187 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: Cock COVID explains her new hair. She was trying to 188 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: hide the fact that she's had COVID for a year. 189 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: I'm just joking that was that was a choice though, 190 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: that hair was a choice. Um No, I think that 191 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: really defines the year. I mean, like we've just been 192 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: watching this um celebrity gaslight us. I don't even know, 193 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: but like attempt to gaslight gaslight us in a way 194 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: where we're like, Okay, we can see you, you know 195 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: what I mean, like we know what you did, and 196 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: now you're blaming everyone else. Very strange yer for her 197 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: where she got called out. Uh, it didn't affect anything, 198 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: I guess. I don't know. I don't know what. I 199 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: don't know how it hit her in any way. And 200 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: then we um she kept doing Ellen and she uh 201 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: caught COVID because I'm sure she still lives in a 202 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: bit of a place of like, who mean you're having 203 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: an inquisition as to which poor person gave it to her? 204 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: Oh you know what I mean. I can't imagine Ellen 205 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: DeGeneres taking this in strade she is writing thermometers in 206 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: all her helps butts. Okay, as we speak, they're they're 207 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: surgically implanted when you accept employment and they're constantly updated 208 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: your rectal temperature on my app. I just know someone 209 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 1: is being tortured because of this. Yeah right, you know, 210 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: yeah hidden places. Yeah. Um. Other stories that I think 211 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: had sort of an outsized I don't know, I guess 212 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: could be seen as overrated because they were just like 213 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: blew up when they happened and then didn't ultimately matter 214 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: that much. Trump going to get impeached, Trump getting impeached, 215 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: uh and Trump testing positive for COVID both felt like 216 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: the biggest news in the history of the world when 217 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: they happened, um, and then just nothing happened because uh 218 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: they like I think we could have known heading in 219 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: like that. This is where Trump arrangement syndrome, I think 220 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: is real that we were like so desperate for a win, 221 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: so just like beaten down by uh the day to 222 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: day just like flagrant disrespect for progress and you know, 223 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: our values that this guy put out there, and so 224 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: like on his impeachment there, I think there was just 225 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: a lot of hope there where they're probably should shouldn't 226 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: have been because we knew what Mitch McConnell was going 227 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: to do um and when he tested positive for COVID, 228 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: that felt like it felt like a defining moment on 229 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: social media at the time, and then uh just kind 230 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: of went away. Yeah, it's it's a weird one, right, 231 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: because so much of that that tone is set by 232 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: the mainstream media, you know, and even for us, like 233 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: we we look at what media is out there and 234 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: we choose to talk about whatever things and like a 235 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: lot of times that's what's being served. And when you 236 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: really kind of take a step back and you think 237 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: about MSNBC and CNN and ship, their whole thing was like, 238 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, we're doing fucking numbers when the thing coming 239 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: out of his TV is some sexy fucking conflict impeachment, 240 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: not the fucking death of working people, and like how 241 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: we can do better, And it's given them a convenient 242 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: counter counter programming or alternative programming to discuss that when 243 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: like the reality of the country was definitely one other 244 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: thing and the COVID diet noses very conveniently wiped out 245 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: from people's memory. Trump's famous stand back and stand by 246 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: lyne uh to fire up nat white nationalists. That story 247 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: fucking vanished the second he had COVID because the media 248 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: was too having so much fun being like, yeah, this 249 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: thing blah blah blah. And we were guilty of that 250 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: ship too because we're like, oh, look, fucking Karmen came 251 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: for this fool uh and and you love to see it. 252 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: But at the same time we were also sort of 253 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: like spending the time like, uh, he just had a 254 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: rallying cry to all these extremists on national television. Um, 255 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: and you see too, like where how even now, like 256 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: how they're gonna play it? Like are we gonna keep folks? 257 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: Are they you know, who's gonna keep focusing on Trump? 258 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: And or is MSNBC is just gonna keep going like, Oh, 259 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: isn't it so cool that we have like a woke 260 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: head of ice now? And it's like, well, no, like 261 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: we've been talking about you guys were all in on 262 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: talking about how fucked up these things are when Trump 263 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: was in office. But what happens now when you got 264 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: Joe buying in it? Like what kind of energy are 265 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: they going to have for any kind of like lobbyists 266 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: entering the cabinet or high you know, just like high 267 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: powered decision making positions. Not sure. I will say though, 268 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: in regards to the Trump getting COVID, I do feel 269 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: like we all really really needed that, like You're not 270 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: the father moment, you know, like they needed to be 271 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: like dancing. I don't really think it was like a 272 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: big and significant moment. I just think it wasn't what 273 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: we thought it was at the time. I guess we 274 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: were doing those Ghanaian Paul Bearer ship It was lit, 275 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: But I mean I was. I was doing donuts in 276 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: the parking lot with my car, you know, it was 277 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: you were hanging out that. Yes, I was like beyond yeah, 278 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: like I was living my life. I ghost rode the 279 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: whip like I was it was, And yeah, I was 280 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: maybe like twenty four hours full of joy before I realized, oh, 281 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: this is gonna not do anything. He'll survive in were fucked. 282 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: But it was still like that that that fucking two 283 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: hours of pleasure. I got maybe a year's worth of 284 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: serotonin off that. Yeah, I think it is slightly underrated 285 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: what that did for our psyches at a certain level, 286 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: because I mean, people like yo, what I remember, I 287 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: forget who sent it through our text thread and you're like, yo, 288 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: Trump has COVID. I was like that that has not 289 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: happened all year, the Lakers winning. That was like the 290 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: closest I came. And I feel like it was the 291 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: peak drunk on the dopamine hit treadmill that social media 292 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: put us on with this president. It was like we're 293 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: we were just fully off that energy. It really like 294 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: every my mom my, like old Persian immigrant mother, like 295 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: devout Muslim woman sent me a photo of Alec Baldwin 296 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: as Trump chugging bleach Like my mom was like, so 297 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: like I don't to make fun of death. Like it's 298 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: like like yeah, like she doesn't. She's always like pray 299 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: for everyone. She was like, look at this about the 300 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: jug blake, Like that's I mean over here, as I'm 301 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: trying to make a wild ass video, how do our 302 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: roto sculpt this ship in Adobe? And you're like what 303 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: you editing video? Now, She's like you gotta see this 304 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: all right, guys, Let's take a quick break and we'll 305 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: come back and we're back and just getting off of 306 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: the Trump subject for a moment, because he did fully 307 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: dominate the year. But one thing that was kind of 308 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: became a big thing for a couple of weeks, I 309 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: feel like was the invasion of the Japanese murder hornets. 310 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: Um Man, you had me when I said going until 311 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: you said hornet invasion of the Japanese, Like, what the 312 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: fun hornets? I don't know, Like I think our our 313 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: brain was in alarm mode because we're living through a 314 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: global pandemic, so we're like locked into threats and just 315 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: on high alert. And then this story comes across and 316 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: it's an amazing like creature for sure, um but it's 317 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: also a like media panic that we've had like for 318 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: decades now with like African killer bees and I don't know, 319 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: and sharks. It's like maybe we just agree that anything 320 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: to do with bees, hornets, and sharks, we just assume 321 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: it's an overblown local news story until it's actually physically 322 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: attacking us. Right. There's something about I think because we 323 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: all have like that fear of being stung by bees 324 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: as a kid, so like that is just that will 325 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: always be in built really well, murder, what the fun? What? 326 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: So it plays on that very very well. But you know, 327 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: people who have been on the internet, we've known about 328 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: these murder hornets. That video was popping on the internet, 329 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: like years ago, what was it like murder hornets verse 330 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: bees like that? You know, they just come through the 331 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: hive and they're like you, We're fucking breaking y'all in 332 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: half with our fucking pincers. And I was like, this 333 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: is this is tight and I don't want it anywhere 334 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,479 Speaker 1: near me. But one of our first super popular correct 335 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: articles was one of the list items was was murder 336 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: hornets and how many people they kill? And that video 337 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: just based around that. That video is legendary nic and 338 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: I think for most people, I think the people who 339 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: probably resonated with are the ones who saw the like 340 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: because when I was like, yo, I know about that, 341 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: It's not just a weird name. I've seen this thing. 342 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: And they fuck bees up like their little you know, 343 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: cheeto puffs. Uh, this is not a game. But asked 344 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: did they just go away? Like what happened? I think 345 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: the story in the first place was that one of 346 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: them had been spotted, like literally was like one was 347 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 1: found or uh yeah, that the that their existence had 348 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: been detected on our lands. And and by go away, 349 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: I mean did they buzz off? Right? And that's our 350 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: show folks playing a little hive and seek maybe, but yeah, 351 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: they does seem that the honey bees are using poop 352 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: now to ward off the murder hornets. That's the new 353 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: latest headline. I tell you, take a take a note 354 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: out of that book. I mean, look out of Steve 355 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: Bannon's book, bro Flood the zone with ship works. I 356 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: guess in fighting murder hornets too for the bees. So 357 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: maybe some wisdom in that the bee hive. Alright, what else? 358 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: What else was overrated? This year? I said right before 359 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: the world went into lockdown that we could use a 360 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: global snow day. Um I remember that ship? Yeah, nailed it. 361 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks everyone, You're welcome. Swish swish. That was 362 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: all time bad take. But you love for someone to 363 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: hold you responsible for COVID because you said on a 364 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: podcast that humanity needed a second because capitalism was crushing 365 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: everyone's like, those are all still true now. I still 366 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: got some tweets everyonce in a while, people being like, hey, 367 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 1: you still think we use that global snow day? Bro 368 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: um So. But also to those people like do y'all 369 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: think Jack could say something that would change this town? 370 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: I could, but you know, you know, I think the 371 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: country needs to get back to work. That's two cents. Um. 372 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: I also feel like this is a very half baked take, 373 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: but a lot of the just people being like kids 374 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: are missing an entire year of school, and like kids 375 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: think it's I'm a little bit worried about how the 376 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: pandemics affecting one of my kids because he like watches 377 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: his hands many many times and also asks why people 378 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: aren't wearing masks and movies. But like, kids are super resilient, 379 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: I feel like, and it's the parents and the older 380 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: people who are failing to hold it together in a 381 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: lot of respects. So I don't know, I guess, well, 382 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: it remains to be seen how how this is going 383 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: to impact things over the long term. But I do 384 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: have faith in like the plasticity of you know, the 385 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: minds of the youngest Almont, I mean biologically, I think 386 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: there's that. But then like also just the iniquities between 387 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: the students of this country are also being just on 388 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: a full display. Like on one hand, so many kids 389 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: who aren't going to be like who can't log in 390 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: to go to school, and like the percentages are so 391 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: high based on like what your parents income is, like 392 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: how likely you are to actually perform in online learning. 393 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's freaking like I don't know if 394 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: like we're gonna be like, yo, that's that those are 395 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,239 Speaker 1: those kids that miss sixth grade, you know, like from now. 396 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: But you know, I I am very curious to see 397 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: because I think even with like younger children in my 398 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: family too, I look at I'm like, damn, I it's 399 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: weird because we couldn't begin to know. We have no 400 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: context for anything like this, like our upbrings, Like we 401 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: got out of academia, like damn near fifteen years ago. 402 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: So it's like, uh, yeah, I don't know. One side, 403 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: I'm like, I would be loving it if I was 404 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: a kid, but that was probably the first week and 405 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: now I'm twenty one. Okay, but I do think that 406 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: it's what's with the kids, and I'm curious. Let me 407 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: tell you it's like tick talk baby, okay, Um, I 408 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: will say I I do wonder when I will stop 409 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: being like oh, when I see someone too close to 410 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: someone else in a movie these days, I like how genuine, like, oh, 411 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: why would you sit on a bench next to that person? 412 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: But it's like clearly in a different you know, like 413 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: it's in a different universe. So it's like but I 414 00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: no matter what I'm like, oh, she's just kissing. Yeah, 415 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: oh go the It's really interesting to look back at 416 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: how because this has been a somewhat similar experience to 417 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighteen pandemic and including like the government just 418 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: being like fight through it. It's we we've been We've 419 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: been that country. Uh. But like people, it's really weird 420 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: how people who grew up in that like don't really 421 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: write about it that much. Like there are news articles, 422 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: but there it doesn't really like influence that many novels, 423 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: and like, I think it's underrated how little we know 424 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: about like what the cultural legacy of COVID is going 425 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: to be. Um, it might be less like movies specifically 426 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: about plague and pandemic and more. You know. I think 427 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: I think one underrated thing is like how it's affected 428 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: just like mental health, Uh, you know, an awareness around 429 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,959 Speaker 1: it to you Yeah. Yeah, I wonder how they'll go 430 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: or maybe they'll just ignore it like it never happened. Yeah, 431 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: I'm talking about that. I don't make it hot now 432 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 1: and bring sense. I think, you know, it's probably like uh, 433 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: the knock on effects of the you know, the Roaring 434 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: twenties happening after the pandemic or influenza pandemic. But I 435 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: have a feeling we're going to just see it more 436 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: in what our values are and like what we even 437 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: define as living. I think that's going to be the 438 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: real interesting piece of like how it changes our perceptions 439 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: on like the definitions or like accepted norms around such 440 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: things like are we going to embrace our own interests 441 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: more and be like fuck it, man, life's too precious 442 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: to me for fucking this stuff. I have to really 443 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: live my life. Or people are going to be more restrained, 444 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: more scared, more reckless. I don't That's the thing that 445 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: will be interesting to see how we come out the 446 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: other side. Yeah, I think there's a like kind of it. 447 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: In line with that, there is a underrating of the progress, 448 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, very painful progress that was made in at 449 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: the level of like you know grassroots, like people on 450 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: the streets doing things with Black Lives Matter, with the 451 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: Sanders campaign having more success than any like socialist campaign 452 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: in the history of the country. Uh, and all of 453 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: those things are being written off by the mainstream media. 454 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: As you know, black Lives Matter almost cost the Democrats 455 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 1: the election, and like they need to change their branding 456 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: around defund the police and the Sanders campaign, Like you really, 457 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: like can't find anybody even talking about like that as 458 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: a as a success at this point, Like you can't 459 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: even find anybody like remarking on it. It's just like 460 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: it went into a memory hole, uh, that we're just 461 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: not reflecting on. And I think, you know, the like 462 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: what you were talking about the Roaring twenties, Like, I 463 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: think there is the possibility that you progress is being 464 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: made in a painful way, and it's happening in response 465 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: to the right leaning like government and media apparatus running 466 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: the fucking train into the ground. But you know that 467 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: that is what happened in the thirties, Uh, and that 468 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: was when we finally had like some social change in 469 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: the New Deal. But I just it'll be interesting to 470 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: see how the what the response is here because they 471 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: had I feel like stronger institutions and better media, and 472 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: there's a chance this will just keep getting worse and 473 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: forcing progress slowly by slowly. Yeah, it's interesting to even look. 474 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: I was looking at the Google trends for the year 475 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: and under the category how to help how to help 476 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter was second to how to help Australia Fires. 477 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: In this country, and I think that's very indicative um 478 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: overall of like where we're at, Like just through search traffic, 479 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: there was more interest around you know, the fires, which 480 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: are obviously were terrible thing that occurred, but you know, 481 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: dealing with the perceptions of systemic racism in this country, 482 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: knowing that it's like, well, right, maybe the maybe the 483 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: Australian fires are a little bit more dire, But I 484 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: think that's another thing that's underrated to me, is I 485 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: just feel like there's I'm hoping that we can have 486 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: more of a discourse around like that we've sort of 487 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: lost our sense of humanity in this country. And I 488 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: know it's out of self preservation. I mean, you can 489 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: only look at catastrophic loss of life on a daily 490 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: basis and have to begin to compartmentalize to be able 491 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: to move through your day. But there's something like there's 492 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: really an illness in this country of our inability to 493 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: look after each other. And while many people are able 494 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: to do that on a human to human level, so 495 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: much of what's happening is being dictated by people who 496 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: really are do not embody that feeling, are so disconnected 497 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: from their sense of duty to another person that it's 498 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: only just magnifying the imbalance in the country. And it's uh, 499 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: it's something like I wish more people would be able 500 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: to talk about as like a really big fucking whole 501 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: um in our national identity. I think, like, yeah, I 502 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: think we're that's where like there's a lot of like 503 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: cults and obsession with cults and watching people who have 504 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: got into cults, and then like you know, Trump performing 505 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: his own death cult. Like I think we're seeing like 506 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: because we're as a culture and as a country, uh, 507 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: you know, deprived of being able to identify with our 508 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: fellow humans and group not just activities like in person, 509 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: but just I think it's been happening for a long time. 510 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: We're so individualistic in America, and like the way we're 511 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: getting our group identification out is like in these really unhealthy, 512 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,239 Speaker 1: unhealthy ways. I think we're going to talk about that 513 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: and trends a little bit more. Let's take one more 514 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: break and then we'll come back and close this thing 515 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: out and we're back. Uh And DJ Daniel, Uh, what 516 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: what is something that you think was underrated from this year? 517 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: A story that you well, so just we were talking 518 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: about the the beginning of the year, basically this is 519 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: kind of you know, attaching to the Australia wildfires as well, 520 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: but we had, uh, the assassination of that Irani general 521 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: solo many it was like that really seemed like a 522 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: a trigger on the end of the on the end 523 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: of the Trump campaign, of the Trump presidential era, where 524 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: he was like I'm going all out, baby, like this 525 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: is I'm I'm I'm flexing my presidential muscle here and 526 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: being like this, you know, the strong president and doing 527 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: this thing where people were like you were about to 528 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: literally start a conflict in the world. All You're gonna 529 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: start another world conflict right here, and that also kind 530 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: of just you know, went away. I feel like I 531 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: think there's been like small responses of course, but overall 532 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: it felt like that was just came and went. Yeah, 533 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: because the zone gets flooded, you know, And that's the 534 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: hard bit. And it's funny because like on one level, 535 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: you could have the democratic leadership or media like really 536 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: stay focused on certain things like you know, this other 537 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: ship's bullshit, we need to talk about this thing, but 538 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: everyone sort of at the you know, kind of goes 539 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: with like the trend flow at times, and yeah, like 540 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: we get these we get these moments were like, well, 541 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: I would say it maybe the solemony stuff went for us, 542 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: but I'll tell you, honey, it doesn't not go fre Iran. 543 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: I would the official stance of you run is we 544 00:32:53,160 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: have not avenged his death. I didn't actually hoping. They're 545 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: probably hoping that the rest of the country feels the 546 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: way I just described that thing. I think we'll truly 547 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: find out how they feel when Biden tries to reset 548 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: up kind of like a nuclear plan again. I think 549 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: things will It will start to be like, well, well, 550 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: you didn't murder that guy, so this is kind of 551 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: what we want in return. I think they will play 552 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: it kind of strategically because hey, man, we're Persian, So 553 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: which one of your guys do we get to murder? 554 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: A list like a punch card or something, and then 555 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: the only other thing out on my list that felt 556 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, like it doesn't feel like it happened 557 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: in a different year, but it does feel like it 558 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: was the end of a story that we've been tracking, 559 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: and like the first step in a movement is the 560 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: Weinstein verdict. Uh, and the fact that you know he's 561 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: gonna die in jail now hopefully, um but you know, 562 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: we're that felt like it was just bad news for 563 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: progress over and over again. This was like a good 564 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: news story that we you know, we're in the middle 565 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 1: of bad bad news too much to fully I feel like, embrace, 566 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: what are you gonna stay on it? I was just saying, Bears, 567 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: every time you said bad news, bad news, bears, you guys, 568 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: Harvey one was bad news Bears. I mean, every time 569 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: someone says bad news, you guy dropped bears bear. Ye. 570 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think, yeah, I mean, it's nice to 571 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: see that there's those sea changes we were feeling occurring 572 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 1: years ago or like continuing, although like you know then 573 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: you like you saw the controversy with how the money 574 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: was being spent within times Up and that organization, and 575 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, y'all were just throwing money away and 576 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: not really getting a lot of the better ship done 577 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 1: that you could have. But I think that's like any 578 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: organization that finds itself flush with cash and you know, 579 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: not a great leadership structure. At time to time, she 580 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: gets a little wacky. Yeah. Yeah, as even with Black 581 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: Lives Matter now, like so many of the local chapters 582 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: are now like complaining to the like sort of main 583 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: office to be like where's the transparency? What is going on? Who? 584 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: Who are you? What are we? What's going on here? Um? 585 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, the saga continues. I guess. One 586 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 1: other thing that I feel like has degraded or changed 587 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 1: and we're gonna see it more and more in the 588 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: next year is like the Trump administration created like a 589 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: new mainstream media that was like all focused on Trump 590 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: and all focused on you know, I don't know. It 591 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: was just we started relying on social media and the 592 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: promise of the premise of social media, and then those 593 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: all got turned into surveillance add firms, and then the 594 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: mainstream media is less in touch with the humans it's 595 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: supposed to serve than ever before. And now we have 596 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: this insulated like gentry class mainstream media who can't think 597 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: outside of their bubble of like college educated liberal arts 598 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: graduates and ted talk come from like generational wealth. Like 599 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: I know people who are on MSNBC. Yeah, they didn't 600 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: grow up rough. They went to very expensive schools in 601 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: this city and do not I mean as much as 602 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: like I know they are connected with the real like 603 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: plight of working human beings. There is just something of 604 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: like the origin stories of a lot of the people 605 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: that are dictating our policies and our media coverage that 606 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: has so disconnected from that part of it um and 607 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 1: we're just we're getting fed like this fed back this 608 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: weird version of the country that is very strange and 609 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: not really real for most people. Yeah, so I don't know, 610 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: there's gonna have to be a reckoning there because we're 611 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: you know, entering a new world where the world is 612 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: not just fully has its head in the toilet of 613 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: the Trump administration and is uh, you know, able to 614 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: actually look a little bit more clear headed at the 615 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: problems and how we're covering them. And yeah, because ms 616 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: I don't know what like everyone was doing well from 617 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: just an arcane, barbaric ratings perspective, you know, not like 618 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: what good they were doing, but how many people were watching, 619 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 1: and everyone had their version, whether it's Fox News as 620 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: you know, leading the charge against Obama or being Trump's cheerleader, 621 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: or MSNBC. They really found there's place in CNN and 622 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: being like we are the resistance quote unquote, and this 623 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: is where you're going to get it. Without that, I'm 624 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: not sure you know what the programming is going to 625 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,879 Speaker 1: look like if because if they insist on going with 626 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: Trump like come the funk on, like this is it's 627 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 1: not doing anything, And you'd hope, I mean, I don't 628 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: know how much it's gonna happen, but you'd see the 629 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: would be a lot of opportunities for the media to 630 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: have very objective criticisms of this presidency upcoming administration, and 631 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: be able to voice those in a responsible way to 632 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: people being like, you know, we can do better than 633 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: having like literal manifestations of Raytheon dictate our defense policy. Yeah, 634 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: we can do better than people coming from like the 635 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: cess pit of old school agribusiness heading up the U. 636 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: S d A. You know, there's a lot of these 637 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: things where we could have changed, but you'd you'd hope, Like, 638 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: you know, they were very willing to talk about that 639 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: when the shoe was on the other foot. But I'm 640 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: you know, you'd hope. I don't know, but Rachel Maddow's 641 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: openings are probably less sexy when she's not talking about like, 642 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, whatever the scandal dijre is versus like we're 643 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: failing the entire country. Our leaders are entirely are failing us. 644 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 1: I'm trying to lead as a journalist to report on 645 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: how awful the lived experience isn't me alright, anything else 646 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: anybody wants to cover before we uh did ad to 647 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: a listener, Let's be a dude. Do I bid a 648 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: dude once? Alright, guys, that is going to do it 649 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: for uh this special year end holiday issue. We are 650 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: back tomorrow with another one of these where we're gonna 651 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: be looking at the streaming content we knew and loved 652 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 1: uh and we're gonna talk to you all then have 653 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: a good day uh uh and we will talk to 654 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: you all then