1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: So the big question is this, how do investors like 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: us get access to the ideas, information, and most importantly, 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: the right people that give us the tools and information 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: we need to make conformed and educated decisions to have success. 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: That is the question, and this podcast will give us 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: the answers. This is Mark Moss, your host. Let's get 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: this started. Welcome back, everybody to another episode of the 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: Market Disruptors podcast, where we talk about disruptive technologies, blockchain technology, 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: and we talk about disruptive people to learn from them. Now, 10 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: today we have a guest that I'm super excited to 11 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: talk about. His name is Roll Whoso. He's with the 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: company called Unicoin, and he has a history of doing 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: big disruptive things going way back working with Hewlett Packard, 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: working with Microsoft, and now with his own company, Unicoin. 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: And they are right in the middle of three massive 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: trends all converging together, something that I've been paying attention 17 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: to and watching them. Super excited. I can't wait to 18 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: get into this, so let's go. All right, Today we 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: are with Rahul sud He is with a company called 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: Unicorn that does e sports gaming and it's a really 21 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: disruptive area and he has not just been disrupting uh 22 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: those those industries with what he's doing today, but he 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: has a history of doing this through multiple projects that 24 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: he's been on the past. It's a really interesting guy. 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: I can't wait to find out more about him. So 26 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: welcome Rule. Hey, thanks for having me appreciate it. So 27 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: you are with a company called Unicorn now, which is 28 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: like an e sports gaming which I want to dig 29 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: into a little bit. Um. I know in your past 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: we were just talking about you had launched kind of 31 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: like the first e sports computer that went to Hewlett Packard. 32 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: I know you're with Microsoft, like in their venture with 33 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: their VC kind of firm part as well. Give me 34 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: a little bit about the background so we kind of 35 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: know who we're talking with. Sure. Um. Yeah, So I 36 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: started a company many years ago called Hoodoo. You see, 37 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: it was like the world's first high end gaming company. Um. 38 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: Those systems that you see in the back there are 39 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: sort of some of the models that we built out 40 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: and these are like all hand built computer systems, and 41 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: it sort of became a like a global brand. It 42 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: created a huge movement and we ended up selling it 43 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: to HP UM and and UM, you know, I I 44 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: at the time I was involved in competitive gaming. UM, 45 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: but it wasn't anywhere near what it is today. But 46 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: it was pretty pretty cool. Um. And in any case, 47 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: after selling to HP, I UM, I was kind of 48 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: bored working inside the company there. I mean it was 49 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: pretty boring, to be honest, like after the first year. 50 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: HP was a tough company to work for, um uh 51 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. And so um a friend 52 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: of mine, Daniel Rudolph, and I we we we built 53 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: this platform for fun on on on evenings and weekends. 54 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: UM that allowed us to play, uh, to play Call 55 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: of Duty and games like that against each other for money. 56 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: UM and uh we you know, we we were both gamers, 57 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: you know, we like to bet on games. And basically 58 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: um uh you know, we built a platform that that 59 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: allowed people to play you know, games for money, and 60 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,119 Speaker 1: we built everything from you know, the front end interface, 61 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: the anti cheat system, the matchmaking system. UM. We even 62 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: built like a full tournament platform around the end payment system. 63 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: I mean it was ridiculous and it was really just 64 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: for friends and people in the community, but this thing 65 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: took off. It actually when was when was this just 66 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: for some about two so so it took out about 67 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: eight thousand users using it, and then and then we 68 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: just you know, quickly realized that this is getting out 69 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: of control. Um. You know, we weren't prepared for two things. 70 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: Number one, we weren't prepared for the the regulatory side 71 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: of things. We didn't want to deal with, you know, 72 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: the legal side. And the other thing we weren't prepared 73 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: for is just the the turnover of users. So basically 74 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: there was a there was something called the poker effect 75 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: where uh, where users were really good at the games 76 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: would would win, and then the users who weren't that 77 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: good would never come back to the platform. And um, 78 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: and so you know that health Perfect was just like 79 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: a weird thing, but it it was a good learning 80 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: anyways at the time. So long story short is I 81 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: then joined Microsoft. I started Microsoft Ventures UM and at 82 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: Microsoft Ventures we used to invest in small companies and 83 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: help them build and grow. And one of the companies 84 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: we invested in was a gaming community company and that's 85 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: where I met my business partner, Carl Um. Carl is 86 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: a guy from Australia. We got along really well. Like 87 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: most Australians, they like to bet on everything, or they've 88 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: been on horse races, they've been on sports they've been 89 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: on politics. He also liked to play video games. And 90 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: I was telling him, you know, well, first of all, 91 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: we're talking about the sports and the growth of the sports, 92 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: and how at Microsoft we were you know, a few 93 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: of us were discovering that there was more people using 94 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: Xbox and and Windows to watch people play games on 95 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: than ever before. And then he was growing at a 96 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: massive clip, like hundreds of millions of people were doing this, 97 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: and um, and then I was telling him about this 98 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: product like I started years ago a playoff with my 99 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: friend Daniel Rudolph and said, you know, back then, we're 100 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: probably way ahead of its time, you know. And and 101 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: he liked to bet on sports, so he said, why 102 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: don't we why don't we all get together and build, 103 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: you know, build a company that sort of you know, 104 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: we'll start again. You know, maybe this is the right 105 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: time to do it. And so we did. UM, three 106 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: of us got together. Uh, my friend Daniel who lives 107 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: in Germany. UM, Carl who had the time was in 108 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: Belleview here but he moved back to Australia, and UM 109 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,679 Speaker 1: we started Unicorn. And Unicorn is a platform that sits 110 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: at the intersection of regulated gambling. UM. E sports and 111 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: video games and blockchain technology, and and blockchain didn't come 112 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: until like about we'll talk about that as well. Yeah, 113 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: the the intersection of those three areas is very very 114 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: interesting and I want to dive into that, but before 115 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: we do. UM, so you started this, you know, these 116 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: custom PCs for gaming, which at the time there wasn't 117 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: really anything going on there. Um, then you kind of 118 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: had this stint with Microsoft Adventure. UM I wanted just 119 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: understand a little bit it, Like, UM, it seems like 120 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: being an investors is very difficult. It goes against our 121 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: our psychology, It goes against what we call like a 122 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: normalcy bias. So we people tend to think whatever is 123 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: happening today will continue on. But yet here you've been 124 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: able to go, no, I see this other future that's different, 125 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna build that. So with the with the 126 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: gaming computers, and then UM, I would imagine in Microsoft 127 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: looking at venture deals, you're looking at new technologies that 128 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,119 Speaker 1: when the future is going exactly so you've been able 129 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: to kind of like have this like future vision where 130 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,679 Speaker 1: most people have this very difficult even today where bitcoin 131 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: has really kind of proven its use case and still 132 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: people can't imagine that, right, So what is it that 133 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: you think is different with you or how do you 134 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: look at things differently to kind of help you view 135 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: that future that future vision. Um, well, you know, to 136 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: be honestly, I just watched my kids and what they're 137 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: into and and um, you know, when I was at Microsoft, 138 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: my son was about fifteen at the time. He's he's 139 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: twenty now, but you know, he's about fifteen at the time. 140 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: And he remembered me growing up. Are remember me as 141 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: he was growing up? Uh, you know, being a dad 142 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: that was an entrepreneur, you know, who loved to play 143 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: games and was building this gaming company, right, and and 144 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: he used to say to me, you know, what are 145 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: you still doing at Microsoft? You know you should? You 146 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: should you should quit and start another gaming company. And 147 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: then he said, um, he started to talk to me 148 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: about the sports and you know how big it was getting, 149 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: and um, and he was playing a lot of League 150 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: of Legends. My daughter, my both my sons were playing 151 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: the League of Legends. But this guy in particular is 152 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: a pretty smart kid. And he he basically got me 153 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: to play with him and uh and get into get 154 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: involved in the industry. Um. And as I did, I 155 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: realized how massive the space actually was, and you know, 156 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: and you just start to think about what does the 157 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: future look like in in this space? Um and and 158 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: typically what you do is is you look at industries 159 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: that required disruption, like you know, Uber went into the 160 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: taxi industry. They you know, they wanted to disrupt taxis 161 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: and you know, and and Tesla is disrupting energy you know, 162 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: um and they're doing it in the in the guys 163 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: of a car company. Um. You know. For for me, 164 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: it's it's really about the future of entertainment and and 165 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: thinking about what does the future of sports look like? 166 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: Right and um and and you know, there's there's no 167 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: better way to get to get engaged in the support 168 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: that to place a bet on it. Like if you 169 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: ever watched a football game or something, he plays a 170 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: bet you're gonna watch the game from beginning. And so 171 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: it's sort of like that, you know, uh, starting with 172 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: watching my kids and I'm going from there. Yeah. So 173 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: the demographics definitely pay a big play, a big piece 174 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: in that. And I think that's one of the big 175 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: things with like cryptocurrency adoption where you kind of still 176 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: have this old guard, right the baby boomers, if you will, 177 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: who maybe still write checks at the grocery store. Um, 178 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: and they'll probably never get into it. But then you 179 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: have like the grandkids who will never know anything about that. 180 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: So that those demographics and it's sort of it's sort 181 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: of interesting because when you talk about Peter Schiff and 182 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 1: his his position on gold, right, um, you know, like 183 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: my kids don't care about gold. They just don't, you know, 184 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: And they don't want to carry around goal. They don't 185 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: want to wear gold, right. They don't even want to 186 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: buy a car for for crying out lot because you know, 187 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: that's just what it is. And so um, so you know, 188 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: the market dynamics are changing, like bitcoin is a goal 189 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: two point oh, like it's it's you know, it's something 190 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: that you can use to transact with and you can 191 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: carry it with you. And when you look at the 192 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: things that young people care about, they care about things 193 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: like instant gratification. They care about things like uh, you know, 194 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: bragging rights or you know, or are being you know, 195 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: getting getting recognized for for certain things that they do. Um. 196 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: They also don't like things like um, you know, uh, 197 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: like obvious ways to lose money, like for example, in 198 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: this in the casino industry. Um, the slots is a 199 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: really good example. You know, the slot machine areas in 200 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: the casino. If you ever walked through, there's more wheelchairs 201 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: and walkers per square foot in the slot machinery than 202 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: anywhere else in the casino. And that's just a you 203 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: can walk through and see it a lot of old 204 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: people and and so what what they're trying to do 205 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: is they trying to make it, you know, more fun 206 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: for young people. So so the first thing they attempt 207 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: to do was was redeem these slot machines with Britney 208 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: spears and pitbull and put big speakers on them. But 209 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: there's still really only hundred and fifty year olds that 210 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: are using these machines. So so then they then they 211 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: started to realize that young people don't want to play 212 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: slots because they know they're going to lose their money. 213 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: They'd rather play skill, they'd rather bet on their own skill. 214 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: So you've got these companies now that are that are 215 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: taking uh, you know, games that people don't like or 216 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,599 Speaker 1: you know, have never heard of, and they're turning it 217 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: into a skill and you can go and play these 218 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: skill based slot machines. But they're missing the point. The 219 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: point is that you know, if you don't. If you 220 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: don't do it around something people love, they're not going 221 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: to play it. So the slot machine area is one 222 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: of the highest revenue generating areas of the casino and 223 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: then it's dying and they can't figure out how to 224 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: fix it, and we believe we know how to fix it. Yeah, 225 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: that's really interesting, So we'll dig into that. So, um, 226 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: just the steps the step off point into that. So 227 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: you know, as a builder, as a you know, as 228 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, as a builder, as an investor, right, you 229 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: always want to kind of go with the trend and 230 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: hopefully a little bit early. And so we have this 231 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: really unique intersection like with with gaming switching to like 232 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: online gaming I'm sorry, gambling, and then and then the 233 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: gaming the growth of the e sports, and then you 234 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: have like this cryptocurrency movement, and they're like all three 235 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: kind of converging and you're kind of right there in 236 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: the forefront. So whenever you can pick one of these 237 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: massive trends, I mean, it's a great place to be 238 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: where you can get three converging, it's even better. And 239 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: so you're working with like gaming, which is like, uh, 240 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: games that people are playing on their home consoles, but 241 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: now you're even taking it too, like you're trying to 242 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: disrupt vegas, I guess, or gambling. Right, yeah, we are, 243 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: because we we think that you know, the future of 244 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: supports is changing. So you know, if you look at 245 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: the the median age of a Major League Baseball fan, 246 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: it's about fifty nine years old. Now the medium age 247 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: of a of a PGA tour fan is about eight. 248 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: It might have come down a little bit with Tiger 249 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: woods last win, but but the reality is it's still 250 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: much older. Um. And you know, um, and it's only 251 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: getting older for traditional supports. Yet every day, you know, 252 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: four new E sports fans are born, Like kids start 253 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: out at a very young age playing game games and 254 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: they and as they get older, they continue to play games. 255 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm in my mid fourties and I still 256 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: play a ton of games. Um, I'm an anomaly. But 257 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: people that are ten years younger than me are not 258 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: so much an anomaly. They like to play games all 259 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: the time. So so competitive e sports is getting super interesting. 260 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: And I can show you the platform and show you 261 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: exactly how we think about it. But before I do that, um, 262 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, I think you have to 263 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: look at the crypto industry in general, and see what 264 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: what is like We're in the early stages of crypto 265 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: right now, right, so what are the most successful companies 266 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: in crypto at the moment? Yeah, exchanges, right, it's it's 267 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: basically all exchanges at the moment, exchanges and and and 268 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: next thing would be like protocols. But but at the 269 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: end of the day, exchanges are the most successful, you know, 270 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: use case at the moment and um, and you know, 271 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: the reality is that's not sustainable like long term. It 272 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: just means that you know, right now, people all they 273 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: care about is the price of a coin and when 274 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: it's gonna go to the moon, you know, and that 275 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: sort of thing, and just trading and and and these 276 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: these people are are used to crypto. They get it. 277 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: They understand how it works, they understand how to trade it. 278 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: They know that you know what bitcoin dominance means, you know, 279 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: all of that stuff and there, and you know, and 280 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: they know that if bitcoin goes up, generally speaking, the 281 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: tide will rise with all ships. Right. But in seventeen, 282 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: over two thousand coins were created and uh, and and 283 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: you know, percent of those coins are gonna fail. They're 284 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: gonna end up to be nothing and um and right now, 285 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: exchanges back then we're making money by by charging token 286 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: teams big amounts to list on their exchanges, and you know, 287 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: and uh, and they weren't really innovating. In other ways, 288 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: there are exchanges that are innovating though, like Finances innovating, 289 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: Bittrix is innovating. There's a couple of really good exchanges 290 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: out there. They're actually innovating and continue to develop their 291 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: platforms and they know that. It's that the next generation 292 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: of companies of platforms is where where is going to 293 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: help them be more successful and it's going to help 294 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, the industry be more successful. So my point 295 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: is this, right now, uh, crypto is still very nascent. 296 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's only working for those who really 297 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: understand crypto. But in order from the mainstream to get involved, 298 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: excuse me, orders, for the mainstream to get involved, it 299 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: has to be way easier. It has to be easier 300 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: for customers to access, has to be easier for customers 301 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: to discover, and there has to be platforms like our platform, 302 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: you know, which is sort of the next level of 303 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: crypto usage and that sort of thing. Right, I definitely 304 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: agree with that and we can study any technology and 305 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: look at the natural evolution, and of course it always 306 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: gets easier. We can talk about how hard it was 307 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: to use the Internet in early nineties. UM. I have 308 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: a question in regards to that. So you talk about 309 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: the exchanges being important. UM. I've heard you discussing with 310 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: other people regulations and how regulations were really loose and 311 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: that obviously leads to lots of problems manipulation. UM. You 312 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: had also kind of talked about how we need more 313 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: clear regulations in the US, UM, and a lack of 314 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: clarity is causing problems. I'm curious though, because you had 315 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: also said, you know, the regulations are old, right, I 316 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: mean they're from the thirties and forties, and how can 317 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: they really apply to this new technology? And this new 318 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: technology doesn't fit into these buckets. So I was thinking 319 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: specifically about your platform, and um who had mentioned how 320 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: I think maybe now users outside the US can buy 321 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: your tokens directly off of Batrix, right, Yeah, So I'm 322 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: thinking about like a gaming platform, like if I were 323 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: to go to David Busters, where I go to uh, 324 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, Chuck E Cheese, I buy the tokens from them, 325 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: and then I used them there to play their games. 326 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: I guess the regulations make it so you can't sell 327 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: tokens directly, and that seems like a problem. Well, look, 328 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of problems with the regulations the you know, 329 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: the the biggest problem that I see, just generally speaking 330 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: as a theme, it's being in the US and crypto 331 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: is is it like sucks. It's hard, and it's hard 332 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: because of the lack of regulatory clarity. Look, I'm in 333 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: the gambling industry, I mean, one of the most regulated 334 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: industries on Earth, and I deal with regulators on a 335 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: regular basis, and they're awesome. In the gambling industry, there's clarity, 336 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: there's rules, We follow them. Once we follow them, you 337 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: you you get access to markets like you wouldn't believe, 338 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: it's amazing. But in the crypto industry, because of the 339 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: lack of regulation and because there's people trying to take 340 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: old laws and then and then adding you know, their 341 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: their opinions to it underneath those old laws. Um, it's 342 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: just like what the heck? You know, how how how 343 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: on earth are we gonna build the next generation Internet 344 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: from the US? Like back you know, back in in 345 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: two thousands, when when you know, Amazon and and you know, 346 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: and then later on Facebook and Twitter and all these 347 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: other companies have come up, and Uber and whatever. These 348 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: companies came up in a market where you know, they 349 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: were allowed to innovate. But some of these companies dealt 350 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: with you know, hell when it came to regulation. Like 351 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: think about think about what Uber has to go through, 352 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: you know, dealing with taxi lobbies and and and you 353 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: know governments, you know trying to take them down and 354 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: municipalities and corruption. They have to deal with that on 355 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: an everyday basis. Lift same thing, Tesla, same thing Tessa, 356 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: you know, coming in and building the first electric car, 357 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: having to deal with dealers, auto dealers and the auto 358 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: dealer lobby, and then energy companies trying to shut them 359 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: down while they're building up this this huge energy network. 360 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: I mean, they have to go through hell in order 361 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: to to build their business. And now in crypto and 362 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 1: it's sort of the same thing. But but there's other 363 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: countries out there that are practically begging us to go 364 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: and build there and and we've had to shift. Um, 365 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, most of our team outside of the US, 366 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: like of our people is outside the US. Most of 367 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: my most of my uh my management team, my CFO CEO, 368 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: head of product, like, they're all in Australia in Sydney. Um, 369 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: most of our developers, you know under under our ct 370 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: O Daniel, they're in Croatia, Berlin and uh and polland um. 371 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: You know, I've got a I've got a head of 372 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: marketing in New York with a couple of content people, 373 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: have a few content people in Lass Day guess, and 374 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: then there's me in Seattle. But you know, it's just 375 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: it's hard to be being here. Yeah. Yeah. I've often 376 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: said that if the right brothers had to go to 377 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: the city to get a permit to fly the airplane, 378 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: it probably never would have happened, right, and it and 379 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: it just creates this drag. And one thing that I've 380 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 1: observed kind of like what you're saying is really, if 381 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: you look at the last twenty years, you know, in 382 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: the in the markets, the stock markets, the US is 383 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,479 Speaker 1: still like the leader in the world. And but if 384 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: you really look at the stocks, it's really the tech 385 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: stocks that have carried everything and most of other stocks 386 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: have stayed flat. And if we had missed out on 387 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: that boom, how different today would be. And now what 388 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: you're saying, and I'm seeing as well, is that we're 389 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: potentially going to miss out. We could miss out on 390 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: this next boom. And that's uh, that's a scary thought. Yeah, 391 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: and I and I and I think there's there's you know, 392 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: a good chance of that happening. I already see you know, 393 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: some really innovative platforms like leaving you know, UM, I 394 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: don't you know, I don't want to call it anyone specifically, 395 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: but I think this is important. You know, if you 396 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: look at um interested as an example, right, this is 397 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: a company that that is doing everything they can to 398 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: abide by the laws in the US. Their U S 399 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: based company. They're proud US based company. They've got they've 400 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: got licenses in almost every state, money transmission licenses, their 401 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: money UM, their money uh, you know UM an MSB 402 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: SO money services business UM and uh. And they're trying 403 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: to build like a trading platform and then in the future, 404 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: very near future, they want to launch an a t S, 405 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: like an alternative trading system where you can trade you know, 406 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: token ized securities in the US. So they're proud of 407 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: everything they've built. But in the meantime, you've got these 408 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: regulators like the New York dfs that really came down 409 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: hard on them, you know, uh and um, and you 410 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: know kind of like if you if you broadly look 411 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: at it, I think everyone would agree it was kind 412 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: of unfair given the fact that you know, they have 413 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: been you know, Crypto basically came out of nowhere, right 414 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: and the success of the platforms came out of nowhere. 415 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: And they've been applying you know, things like k y 416 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: C and m L over the last couple of years. Um, 417 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: and you know, this is like a very new space. 418 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: And and so the New York THEFENS comes after them, 419 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: you know, takes away their their bit license in New York. 420 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: So fine, they pull out in New York. But in 421 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: the meantime, you've got exchanges that operate outside of the law, 422 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: outside of the US and do whatever the heck they want, 423 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: you know, and no one does anything about it, you know. 424 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: And and so they're they're going after really get American company, 425 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: and you know what they're doing, they're just pushing them out, 426 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: like they're they're basically saying, you know, you're you're out 427 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: of New York. Like you know, what are these guys 428 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: gonna do? Are they gonna stay here or do they 429 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: even care, Like, you know, at the end of the day, 430 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: why would you write? And so I just think of 431 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: that as an example, and I think, you know, yes, 432 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: they should continue to to to fight and you know, 433 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: work here and try and make it work. Look, regulators job. 434 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: I like the idea of a regulators there to protect consumers, 435 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: but they shouldn't be there to stifle innovation. And I 436 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: think there's a fine line. Yeah, And it's just trying 437 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: to figure out how to apply to this new technology, 438 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: Like you're going to the gaming space. If I buy 439 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: chips at a casino and I decided to sell them, 440 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: that doesn't create a taxable event. If I earn points 441 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: at Target or American Airlines, that doesn't create a taxable event. 442 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: And that's essentially what a lot of these utility tokens are. Um. 443 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: But there's you know, really seems like clamping down and 444 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: holding back all that innovation, which is a lot of 445 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: it's applical to the current things that we already have today, 446 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: which is which is h which is definitely stifling. I 447 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: can see that. Um. So as far as Unicorn, let's 448 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: get into that a little bit, because I'm really interested, 449 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: Like I said, you're really at this intersection of gaming. Um. Interesting, right, 450 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: even in the US as as stifling as the regulations maybe, 451 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: I think they've repealed a lot of that game gambling, right, 452 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: so they've opened that up a lot for you as well. Um, 453 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: So you have the gambling that's kind of coming back. Um, 454 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: you have the e sports which is growing massive, and 455 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: then you have this ability to incorporate blockchain. So let's 456 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: talk about Unicorn a little bit and how you're positioning 457 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: there and uh, really, what where are you trying to go? 458 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: Is it the gaming or is it the gambling or 459 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: is there an intersection there of both? Let me show 460 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: you so can you see my screen? I do? Yeah? Okay, great, 461 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: So the his Unicorn. Um. When when we started unicorneen, 462 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: we raised ten million dollars with people like Mark Cuban, 463 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: Ashton Chricher, Sherry Redstone, Liz Murdock, and we set out 464 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: to build a platform for for betting on the sports 465 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: similar to betting on sports. And the way we did 466 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: it was we we said, let's go create the most 467 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: comprehensive sports book we can on e sports and will 468 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: connect to to betting operators back ends. In other words, 469 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: we wanted to create a beautiful interface for betting on 470 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: the sports. But we didn't want to deal with the 471 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: regulatory issues, the legal issues, UH the k y C 472 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: and m L. We'll let the gambling operators do that 473 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: and we'll create the front end for them. So TAB 474 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: for the largest betting operator in Australia. They're like a 475 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: fifteen billion dollar company. They invested in US and UH 476 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: and they they they worked with us to develop to 477 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: to to let us develop our platform and and test 478 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: the efficacy of our sports book on their license. The 479 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: problem was that users would come to the platform, they'd 480 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: sign in and then the minute they go to place 481 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,479 Speaker 1: a bet, they'd have to like they have to go 482 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: through this our kick process of k y C and 483 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: sometimes they have to mail in passport. Sometimes they have 484 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: the facts information like what the heck the facts like. 485 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: It was horrible and it was a totally broken experience 486 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: and so um so so what we did was we 487 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: I'll go over the sports book in the product in 488 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: a minute, but what we did was we created something 489 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: called the Unicorn, and the unicorin was our way of 490 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: of of creating a product that allowed customers to come 491 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: to the platform and earn a token that they could 492 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: use on the platform anywhere in the world. Um and 493 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: it allowed us to develop our you know, um uh, 494 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: test the efficacy of our sports book, and develop a 495 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 1: platform that had a token economy in it. And this 496 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: was in two thousand and fifty. So what happens is 497 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: customers can connect their League of Legends account ce us go, 498 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: they can We just low key launch Halo. By the way, 499 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: no one knew this, but we launched on Monday, so 500 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: you're the first seeing it. Fortnite, whatever. You can connect 501 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: these game accounts to the platform, and then you earn 502 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: tokens that you play and win games. And in the meantime, 503 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: Unicorn was collecting data and handing and putting handicaps on 504 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: users and we've been doing this for for years. So 505 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: so we did that, and and then we allow so 506 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: I can connect my Fortnite or Halo game to the console, 507 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: and then I can bet on events that are happening 508 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: inside the game right exactly, And I'll tell you about 509 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: that in a second. So, so the bottom line is 510 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: we wanted to create a token economy. We wanted to 511 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: do it with a token that couldn't be transferred or sold, 512 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: so that we could operate in markets all around the world, 513 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: right and and and what that led to was us 514 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: going back to our our partner, Tap Corps and saying, look, 515 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, we've got we've got problems. You know this, 516 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: this is not a sustainable business for us to have 517 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: to go through five different lawyers every time we want 518 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: to add a new game or a new title. We 519 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: should you know, we need to separate. And they agree. 520 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: They said, we're slowing you down. Uh, go and get 521 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: your own license and uh and you'll have to get 522 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: a new back end that will support your platform. So 523 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,479 Speaker 1: I'm trying to make this as easy to understand as possible. 524 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: There are three different types of betting. There's there's sports betting, 525 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: which is where you, um, you bet on your you 526 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: bet on watching other people play so um uh so. 527 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: So basically, if I'll just show you what sports betting 528 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: looks like, so E sports betting is. This is an 529 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: E sports event. It's happening somewhere in the world. It's 530 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: E E S E A UM and this event is 531 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: a is a professional event. These two teams x X 532 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: comment Pro one are playing against each other right now. 533 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: And here's the odds. You can bet live you know, 534 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: you can bet on on exotic bets, so you can 535 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: bet on things like special markets over under his handicap 536 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: markets while watching the match. Okay, this is your typical, uh, 537 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, sports betting type system where you would be 538 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: no different than really betting on a football game. But 539 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: it's just it's more kind of virtual. It's e sports 540 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: instead of actual sports. Right, and what's cool is that 541 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: you know you can bet on this. We're using coins, 542 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: so you can bet on this with different currencies, but 543 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: you can also bet on it you in your UKG 544 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: and and and U KG is something that we give 545 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: bonus bets for. We've built an ecosystem where people can 546 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: earn tokens on the platform, they can participate in jack 547 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: potts and they can bet with it. Now, this is 548 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: just one type of betting, and I just want to 549 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: show you how how expansive this really is. So not 550 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: only can you bet on live games, but as of Monday, 551 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: you can now bet on streamers. So on Unicorn, we 552 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: have this thing where okay, Dr Lupo's offline right now, 553 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: so let me go to this. So here's this. This 554 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: guy is streaming right now. Um, he's a you know, 555 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: professional player, um and uh, and he's streaming at the 556 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: moment and we're picking up his stream and then we're 557 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: putting odds on him. Lawya is a streamer from Germany, 558 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: so she's pretty popular. She's playing Fortnite and these odds 559 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: are being created live as she streams. So, um, so 560 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: are you creating those odds? I mean you're your platforms. Yeah. 561 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: So what's cool is normally you'd have a person watching 562 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: Lawya play and creating the odds manually, but that's completely 563 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: not scalable. So what we've done is we've we've created 564 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: these AI trading bots. Over the last year, we created 565 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: AI trading bots that uses computer vision technology and predictive 566 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: analytics to come up with these odds live and so 567 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: as as this game progresses, these odds will refresh themselves 568 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: based on what's happening in the game. So you can 569 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: watch your favorite streamer when they come on live and 570 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: you can bet on them. So right now, we have 571 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: about ten streamers on the platform. You know, we put 572 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: Ninja on. We put basically the top streamers that we 573 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: like and um, and we're you know, as they come 574 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: on live, it'll pick it up and it'll automatically bring 575 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: them up. So right now you see LAYA one that one, 576 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: So the next odds just refreshed for the next round, 577 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: and now you can place the bet on her next 578 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: round if you want for her to lose or to win. Okay, 579 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: yeah now, um, now this is all e sports betting. 580 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: So this is basically you know, you watching a match 581 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: and placing a bet, which is highly regulated and requires 582 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: a license. By the way, we also created a betting 583 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: game called virtual Betting. This is a game where we've 584 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: taken historical match data and we've given people the opportunity 585 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: to bet every minute, almost every minute or every two 586 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: minutes of every day on a historical round. So in 587 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: other words, what you see is you're presented with a 588 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: historical match that happened where this team Whoredell and Friends 589 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: lost fourteen to sixteen to Russia and um. And what 590 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: it does is it's going to bring up a random 591 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: round within that match. So you get to bet on 592 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: that random round, and you get to choose if it's 593 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: gonna be an odd or even around, you get to 594 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: bet on the correct kills, whether the bomb will be 595 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: exploded or diffused and um. And then once the match starts, 596 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: it tells you which round it was, and you just 597 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: kind of watch it. It's like seven betting game, and 598 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a bunch of different titles that we 599 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: add to this, and then all of you's done in 600 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: the unicoin. This is all done in unicoins and and 601 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 1: and so un coins or or or dollars. But you know, 602 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: people like to bet with both um, but they typically 603 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: like to bet with unicorns because we you know, there's 604 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: so many ways to earn the coins and use the 605 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: coins on the platform that they like bet with it. 606 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: But right now you see that the betting stopped. It 607 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: tells you round twelve was selected. So even if you're 608 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: an E sports historian, you wouldn't have known that round 609 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: twelve would be selected until the bets have stopped. And 610 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: now you watch it and you can place your bets 611 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: or you can sorry, you can watch the match and 612 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: see if you want to or not. So so hold on, 613 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: let me just explain that. So so basically that's the 614 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: sports betting. So that's one type of betting. The second 615 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: type of betting in E sports that makes it super 616 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: interesting is skill betting. So remember when I said people 617 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: can connect their favorite game to the platform. The reason 618 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: we did that was because we wanted people to be 619 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: able to bet on their own skill. So if you 620 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: play Fortnite, for example, you can come to the Unicorn 621 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: platform and you can connect your PC, your PS four, 622 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,959 Speaker 1: your Xbox account to the platform. You can lock it 623 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: in and then when you do that, it actually produces 624 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: odds on certain outcomes. So in a typical um, in 625 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: a typical betting environment on video games, you would bet 626 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: against me and you'd have to wait for me to 627 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: get online. You know, we'd have to plan a time 628 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: and bet against each other. It's just on a good 629 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: business model because you get that poker effect that I 630 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: talked about earlier where people disappear and they don't want 631 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: to come back. So what we did was we created 632 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: odds on users where you can bet any time of 633 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: the day, anytime you want, instantly. So I play League 634 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: of Legends and if I want to bet on myself 635 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: where I think I can win my next rank game 636 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: under one one point five deaths and and a win, 637 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: I get five point nine my odds. So if i'd 638 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: max bet here at seventy uk G, I can win 639 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: twelve thousand UKG and I just had to place my 640 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: bet and then go and play the game. This is 641 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 1: skill betting, and this is legal in forty one states 642 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: in the US, and it's all do you how do 643 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: you prevent people like sandbagging? And uh, it's it's really simple. 644 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: So we've got really sophisticated uh K y C systems 645 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: in place and um and we do a lot of 646 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: tracking on the blockchain to see how coins are moved. Like, 647 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: there's things that we do to basically know who a 648 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: user is and where they're playing from. If they try 649 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: to open up another account or they try and have 650 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: like you know, Ninja sit in their seats, will know 651 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: right away and we can to lock down their odds 652 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: or just ban the account completely. So people don't want 653 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: it to do that. People have certainly tried. I mean, 654 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: we only launched this thing at the end of December 655 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: and we haven't done a dime of advertising. People are 656 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: using it and we're finding ways to plug holes. But 657 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: now that we're ready, uh, now that we just added 658 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: Halo five for the platform, we're ready to start putting 659 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: some money into advertising and getting people to play this 660 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: on a on a daily basis. So this is skill 661 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: betting and then the last type of betting is casino betting. 662 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: You can't see casino here because I'm in the US, 663 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: but there's other markets where you can see it on 664 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: the platform, other markets outside the US. Correct, correct, and 665 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: that would be more traditional casino gambling, whether they be 666 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: card games or things like that. Correct. And I know, 667 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: I know one of the big things that's plagged online 668 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: gaming in the past is not uh knowing if the 669 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,239 Speaker 1: if the online casino has been truthful, right, so like 670 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: basically the games or poker games could be stacked against 671 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: you or whatever. So are you guys doing something to 672 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: address that? Yeah? Well, well number one is there's just 673 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: two places in the world, or that's actually three places 674 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: in the world that have like really good gambling licenses Gibraltar, Malta, 675 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: and Island Man. Those are the three most respected jurisdictions 676 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: in the world. Um uh Unicorn has a license in Maltown. 677 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: We have a license in the Island Man. The thing 678 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: is um when we got our license, we when in 679 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: the Island Man. We're very specific that you know in 680 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: In two thousand and sixteen, we started to uh explore 681 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: and build on blockchain. We started to test on blockchain 682 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: and the reason we did that was because we already 683 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: had the unicoroin economy going UM and and we wanted 684 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: to expand across Europe and we had to deal with 685 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: traditional banks. The problem with traditional banks is in this business, 686 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: it's really expensive and it's really hard to deal with 687 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: multiple currencies. Uh. You know, it's a very old, stodgy 688 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: kind of business. It's slow. Um, it's just hard. So 689 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: so we asked our investors to UH to make recommendations 690 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: to banks that they could connect us to. And Mark 691 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: Cuban emailed instantly and said, you guys should start building 692 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: on blockchain because you know, the future, you may not 693 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: even need banks, right and and uh and so we 694 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: did that. We basically studied why blockchain would make sense 695 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: being in a highly regulated basis like ours with m 696 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: L and k y C. There really is no better 697 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: way to do wallet tracking than through the blockchain and 698 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: UH and so we started to build on blockchain at 699 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: that time. And when we did that, um In came along. 700 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: We already had enough usage on the unit cooin platform 701 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: that you know, we decided to create unicoin Bowl, the 702 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: crypto version of our of our token, and UM we 703 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: approached the Alaman and said, look, you know, we want 704 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: to get a license, but but we need a license 705 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: for crypto, not just be it like we're we're you know, 706 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: we're a crypto company. We want a license for crypto. 707 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: And so it took a year. We're now the only 708 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: company on Earth with a license from the Island Man 709 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: for online casino, live sports betting, live e sports betting, 710 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: and our skill betting platform, you Mode. They even gave 711 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: us a license for streamer betting and virtual betting that 712 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: we created it and we launched this week. So we 713 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: have the most comprehensive license on Earth for for crypto betting. 714 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: And is that record? Is that? I mean, they gave 715 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: that to you, but is that recognized by most of 716 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: the other countries. Yeah, it is, it's recognized. I mean 717 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: the element is a is a pretty generic license in 718 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: the sense that you know, it shows that you're regulated 719 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: and then you know, each country that you go to, um, 720 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,399 Speaker 1: you know, you just have to deal with the local laws. 721 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 1: So so we're we're rolling out at about thirty five 722 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: or thirty six countries over you know, the past few 723 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: months and then the following months. Um, we're we're doing 724 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: sort of a slow rollout because you know, there's complexities 725 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: like in the US, for example, we can only launch 726 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: you Mode in forty one states, but we can't launch 727 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: sports book yet because in the U S it's regulated 728 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: state by state. You have to have a local casino partner. 729 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. But but I'll tell you this, every 730 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: you know, every major casino operator, especially after our launch 731 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: of streamer betting and and virtual betting, they all want 732 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: to partner with us. The largest casinos in the world 733 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: are calling us now and saying, how do we get 734 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: you in the US. What do we need to do? So, 735 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: so we'll launch in the US this year. Um, it's 736 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: just but the US isn't even the biggest markets. The 737 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: biggest markets are across Europe, Latin America, Southeast Asia. Like, 738 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: there's tons of places that we can go to that 739 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: we're rolling out in and um, and we just have 740 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: a lot of work to do to get there. I 741 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: mean the work we have to do is things like localization. 742 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: You know, first of all, making it easier to bet 743 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: on the platform, uh, you know, localization in terms of languages. 744 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: And then and then the most important thing is making 745 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: crypto easier and and that's sort of where I went 746 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: to before. Where crypto right now is easy for traders 747 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: like you to get on finance or patricks and trade coins, 748 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: but it's really hard for users who don't understand crypto 749 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: how to you know, how to move it around. So yeah, 750 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: exactly back to the Dave and Busters analogy. If I 751 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: can just go there and buy the tokens, I can 752 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 1: start playing. But if I have to go somewhere else 753 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: and exchange it before I can even show up, it 754 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: makes it very difficult. I'm curious at what about prediction markets? 755 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: Do you think there's some intersection between like the prediction 756 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: markets and then the game, the gaming or gambling on that. So, 757 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: you know, prediction of markets just another fancy word for gambling. Uh. 758 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,240 Speaker 1: You know when I think of you know, like augur 759 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: is basically as a decentralized gambling platform, but it's like 760 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: more based on like events as opposed to kind of 761 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: your stuck with like E sports or something. Sure, it's 762 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: it's it's based on events that you create and uh, 763 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: you know you can take bets on. Uh. You know 764 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: that brings up an interesting point. Um. You know, I 765 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: was talking to uh coin based recently, you know about 766 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 1: you know, how do we how do we we want 767 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 1: we want Unicorn to be able to have access to 768 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 1: your customers. We want your customers to be able to 769 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: discover the platform. The whole reason we want to listen 770 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: on exchanges has nothing to do with the price of 771 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: our token. It actually has to do with the accessibility 772 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: and the discover ability of our platform, because we know 773 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 1: over time those two thousand coins is gonna whittle down 774 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: to like a hundred, right, and and of those hundred coins, 775 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: you know, we people are going to start to say, 776 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: what is this coin used for? How does this platform work? Oh, 777 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go use it? Right? So we want to 778 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: you know, we we'd love to be listening on on 779 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: coin based for example. And you know, we were told 780 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 1: that they don't they don't work with gambling companies even 781 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: though where license were regulated. And I'm thinking, that's weird. 782 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: You just launched ougur like today, you know, but it's 783 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: but it's a prediction market, So I don't know, I mean, 784 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: the space is just brought with weirdness, you know, from 785 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: that that point. But yeah, so where do you see 786 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: the space going? I mean, I think E sports on 787 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 1: its own is probably projected to grow pretty rapidly online gambling. 788 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: I would imagine it is projected to gamble or grow 789 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: quite significantly. Like do you have any numbers on like 790 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: where I guess E sports gambling is today and like 791 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: where it's headed in the near future. Yeah, so E 792 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: sports gambling is a probably around like a five million 793 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: dollar business today turnover globally, it's gonna be well over 794 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: a billion next year, and then it's gonna grow at 795 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: an exponential rate the year after. Um um. In terms 796 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: of brands, I think if you ask anybody in the 797 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: gambling industry you know who the best brand is for 798 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: the sports gambling, they're gonna say Unicorn. Like I think 799 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: our brand is the strongest in the space. Um, I 800 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: think it's it's you know, it's pretty amazing that, you know, 801 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: we've built out all the tech that we built, we 802 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 1: have spent a single time on marketing yet because we 803 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: just wanted to tech right um And now we're we're 804 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: actually gonna start putting some some significant amount of money 805 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 1: into paid acquisition and bringing customers on the platform. So 806 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,439 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see where it goes. But beyond that, 807 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna see a lot more product coming 808 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: out of Unicorn this year that we're going to launch 809 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,760 Speaker 1: that's just gonna change everything. So yeah, yeah, all right, great, 810 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: and now what are what are like some of the 811 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: big challenges that you have Just uh, I guess maybe 812 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: regulations you think is probably the biggest piece. Yeah, lack 813 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: of regulatory clarity in the US is the biggest piece. 814 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: You know. Um, like the the the amount of money 815 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 1: that we spent on legal and stuff is just uh, 816 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: it's a horrent you know, and it's uh and it's 817 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: it's it's really not fair. Like we we're we're we're 818 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 1: as legit as it gets. We've really built an amazing platform. 819 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: We started our token economy in two thousand and fifteen. Um, 820 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 1: you know, we we need regulators to work with us 821 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,760 Speaker 1: and uh and not against us. You know, we we 822 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: we want them to help us, uh you know, innovate 823 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: at protection ss um, not stifle innovation. Um, you know, 824 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: while while a larding consumers. So yeah, one other question, Um, 825 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: you're you're more in the gaming area, said kind of gambling, betting, 826 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: betting space, not so much. There's other people that are 827 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: doing more of the games where like their skins and 828 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: more like n F t tradeables and whatnot. Are you 829 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: guys aren't in that space? Actually we we kind of 830 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: are so in the in the tradeables area. Um, you know, 831 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,879 Speaker 1: Unicorn is really the only place that you can go 832 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: and convert your skins directly into uk G and then 833 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: and then those skins get actually put into our jackpots, 834 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: so you know, we recycle those skins into jackpots and 835 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: people can participate in jackpots for skins. So we do that. 836 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: But but in terms of like the tradeable stuff, no, 837 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 1: we don't do that. And the reason we don't is, um, 838 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 1: there's no game company or publisher that really lets you 839 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: trade skins from their games via crypto, no good game 840 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: like you know, the only ones that do are like 841 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 1: blockchain based games like the Crypto Kiddies and stuff like that. 842 00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 1: When you look back and look at the different technologies 843 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 1: and how they progressed, we always kind of see that 844 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 1: where the companies try to kind of really protect and 845 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: and silo off everything, and then eventually they realized, well, 846 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 1: it's my I P and I can let it kind 847 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: of flow. And I think we're in that inflection point 848 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: with video games right now. Hopefully eventually they'll say okay, great, yell, 849 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: let's open that up and let you trade. Um, do 850 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: you think that's a reality, and if so, how far 851 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: out do you think that is? Um? I don't know 852 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,439 Speaker 1: if that particular vision is a reality for some time 853 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: to come yet. I think that Valve is the closest 854 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: to actually doing something like that, where they created an 855 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: open marketplace for skins, but it kind of bit them 856 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: in the butt because you know, once people realize that 857 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: skins had a real world value, there was these gambling 858 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: sites coming up that we're all built around skin bedding 859 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: and um and and skin betting became the largest, uh 860 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: underage gambling ring in the history of gambling. I mean, 861 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: it was like a two billion dollar industry before it 862 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: was shut down a couple years ago. Yeah, it was. 863 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: It was projected to be a seven billion dollar industry, 864 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: so you know, they have to be careful about that. 865 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: The other thing is, you know, the idea that I 866 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: can take a weapon from League of Legends and bring 867 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: it into Dota just doesn't really make sense, you know, 868 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: from a game developer standpoint. Um Um, I think there's 869 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: other ways that you can you can use blockchain for gaming, 870 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: like what we're doing, you know, with with using it 871 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: in certain areas that makes sense, like a m L 872 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, doing it for customer betting history, doing it 873 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: so that you know, we can we can uh, we 874 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,479 Speaker 1: can do forensic wallet tracking, you know, regulators can look 875 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: openly at our ledgers things like that. That makes sense. Um. 876 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: And then also you know, we we created a betting 877 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: platform that allows nine thousand bests per second. You know, 878 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: stuff like that, It makes sense. I think, I think. Um, 879 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: when you have a hot industry, like you can always tell, 880 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: you know, if you go to LinkedIn and you see 881 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: things like you know, like the next big buzzwords AI 882 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: and then you've got blockchain and you've got cryptocurrency and 883 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,839 Speaker 1: I c O S and whatever, you can always tell 884 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: you know, business is kind of weird when they start 885 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,439 Speaker 1: to shoehorn two things together. And so you know, when 886 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: when you've got like these game developers who are who 887 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: are specifically building blockchain s based games. That's different than 888 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: a game developer who's trying to create a like um, 889 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: you know, uh, like an MMO type game or a 890 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: or a Battle Royal type game on blockchain, Like why 891 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,919 Speaker 1: why are you doing that? Why don't you just create 892 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: a fun game? Right? Like there's no reason for you 893 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,360 Speaker 1: to create a Battle Royal on blockchain because the gamer 894 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: doesn't give a ship what is on. They just want 895 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,400 Speaker 1: to play a fun game. So you really got to 896 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: understand your audience and what you're building. Yeah, and I 897 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: think it's just gonna take a total disruption where you 898 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: have new games, new new developers, and new games come 899 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,280 Speaker 1: up that allow you to do that. Probably the incumbents 900 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: there won't won't ever allow that, And eventually there's a 901 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: blockchain publisher that does that, you know, that lets you 902 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,879 Speaker 1: trade things around like that. I'm telling you there's there's 903 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: stuff that's coming in our in our industry in particular 904 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: where U where tradeables makes a ton of sense and 905 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: it and it's gonna be fun. Uh, there's gonna be 906 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,879 Speaker 1: sort of betting around it. We're gonna be very much 907 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: involved in it, um and and it makes sense. Um. 908 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,320 Speaker 1: So you'll see yeah, great, that's uh, that's good and 909 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: we'll we'll wrap it up with that. So where can 910 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 1: people go to find out more about, you know, what 911 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: unicorn is doing and maybe to follow you? Yeah, so 912 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: on Twitter you can follow me at rehole suite are 913 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 1: a h U L S O O D um, and 914 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,239 Speaker 1: you know Iowa's tweet about what Unicorn is doing. You 915 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: can also follow a Unicorn at unicorn you and I 916 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: care and CEO on Twitter. Um. And then of course 917 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 1: you can just check out our website www dot unicorn 918 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: dot com. Uh, you and I k r N dot com. Great, 919 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 1: and we'll link link to all that in the show 920 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: notes as well. All right, well, it's been great, very interesting. 921 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm excited about the intersection of these spaces and and 922 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,279 Speaker 1: we'll wrap it up. All right. 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