Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where our Tuesday show is unofficially
Speaker 1: sponsored by the New York Jets.
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm Greg Rosstal here.
Speaker 1: The Chris Westling podcast studio, surrounded by my friends Jordan
Speaker 1: Rodriege of The Athletic and welcoming Colleen Wolf back from overseas.
Speaker 3: I'm back. Great to see you guys, Great to be.
Speaker 1: Back representing the great University of Vermont. Where As we
Speaker 1: were talking before the show, a lot of the stoners
Speaker 1: from my high school would go to UVM.
Speaker 2: Good school, cool, fun fact, fun school.
Speaker 3: I don't even have a Drexel sweatshirt.
Speaker 2: You should like.
Speaker 3: That's pretty bad.
Speaker 2: I guess we'll just get into it.
Speaker 1: I said it off the top, like the Jets have
Speaker 1: fired Joe Douglas. They've really kind of hijacked this program.
Speaker 1: So what's happened on Tuesday? Robert Sally got fired on
Speaker 1: the Tuesday. Yes, DeVante Adams got traded on a Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Mike Williams got traded. That he was that was part
Speaker 1: of the you know, the trade deadline thing. And now yes,
Speaker 1: they've gotten rid of Joe Douglas after six years.
Speaker 2: He did have a long run.
Speaker 1: He had a six year contract I went back and
Speaker 1: looked when he first signed with them. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: did he get a second counter. No, he had a
Speaker 1: lot of leverage because he was the bell of the
Speaker 1: GM to B ball, and there was competition, and he
Speaker 1: got six years out of them, and the Jets went
Speaker 1: thirty and sixty four in those six seasons. No surprise
Speaker 1: that this happened. Quite random. It happened this week, Like
Speaker 1: why now versus another week? It is their bye week,
Speaker 1: so that would be kind of the obvious, just like
Speaker 1: practical answer. But yeah, it's it's been a tough time
Speaker 1: to be a Jets fan.
Speaker 4: It makes me think that they're initially starting to look
Speaker 4: at assistant general managers around the league right now as
Speaker 4: they're sort of combing different candidates and vetting different candidates,
Speaker 4: because undoubtedly it would get back to Joe Douglas if
Speaker 4: they were starting to that scouting process for who could
Speaker 4: potentially take over. I mean, he was on an expiring
Speaker 4: contract anyway. So I saw a report from dynas Orsini
Speaker 4: at the Athletic saying they didn't want him to still
Speaker 4: have this title as they were starting the entire process
Speaker 4: and wanted to get a jump on the process. But
Speaker 4: like I mentioned to you guys a couple weeks ago,
Speaker 4: this makes things very very difficult for their scouting department
Speaker 4: pre draft in particular, prior to free agency in particular,
Speaker 4: because this is quite a shakeup for a space that
Speaker 4: is entering some of its crucial months and weeks in
Speaker 4: the next couple months.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not surprising at all, but the fact that
Speaker 3: it's happening on a Tuesday is just nice for the show.
Speaker 3: I think everything happening on Tuesdays. But yeah, he can't
Speaker 3: be a lame duck GM in the building while they're
Speaker 3: conducting interviews. That just would be such a weird, awkward situation.
Speaker 3: Kind of knew that this was going to come to
Speaker 3: an end because of his expiring contract because the Jets
Speaker 3: are in this situation that they're in right now, But
Speaker 3: I can't imagine being in that building right now. The
Speaker 3: vibes they're not immaculate.
Speaker 1: No, they're not good. Phil Savage is the interim GM.
Speaker 1: You may remember him from running the Browns way back
Speaker 1: in the day of the Oughts, and then he ran
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl for a while. Like he was the
Speaker 1: guy at the Senior Bowl that would do fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jeremiah and our friend Andrew Ciciliana and just
Speaker 1: be like, hey, how the senior ball going. Well, we
Speaker 1: got great players this year, thanks Phil Savage. So he's
Speaker 1: been in the building for a minute. I think he
Speaker 1: was probably hired by Joe Douglas, so it's probably an
Speaker 1: interim type of situation. At least they're not making them
Speaker 1: same mistake they made with Joe Douglas, which was hiring
Speaker 1: a GM in June, which was totally bizarre back then.
Speaker 1: They have messed up their hiring cycle so many times,
Speaker 1: and I just keep hammering it's the clearest, most obvious
Speaker 1: thing you can do as ownership, which is hire the
Speaker 1: GM and the coach at the same time, like period
Speaker 1: that they're one of the same. And yeah, he was
Speaker 1: hired after a draft process. Was that John Idzick back
Speaker 1: in the day. So whoever it was got to like,
Speaker 1: you know, make all the signings for the season and
Speaker 1: draft all the players, and then Joe Douglas comes in
Speaker 1: and they were absolutely awful that first year. I think
Speaker 1: they won two games, and everyone's like, well, you can't
Speaker 1: put that on Joe Douglas's record. He didn't even dreass
Speaker 1: and that's absolutely fair. But it's also fair to point
Speaker 1: out Joe Douglas came in there day one. He's a
Speaker 1: former offensive lineman. He's a tough looking.
Speaker 4: Dude, and he's a nice guy.
Speaker 1: He's a nice guy with a lot of friends in
Speaker 1: the media. Must be said, which I think is insulated.
Speaker 3: I remember him on the field when the Eagles won
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl because he was with them at that time,
Speaker 3: and then then he went off to the Jets.
Speaker 1: That you have to be graded on what your intent is,
Speaker 1: what you say your intent is, and his I remember
Speaker 1: his opening press conference and throughout his time with the Jets,
Speaker 1: he said, we're going to be a team that builds
Speaker 1: through the lines. That I'm a former offensive lineman. We're
Speaker 1: basically like the Eagles. We are going to build up front.
Speaker 1: You're going to put our resources into being great upfront.
Speaker 1: And he was a man of his word in that
Speaker 1: he put a ton of resources into that offensive line
Speaker 1: year after year after year, a lot of swings, and
Speaker 1: it was never good, Like you can go back to
Speaker 1: their original sin was probably not even Zach Wilson. It
Speaker 1: was Makai Beckton over Tristan Wurfs, who has turned out
Speaker 1: to be an all Pro type of player and was
Speaker 1: in that draft and available at that time, and it
Speaker 1: just didn't happen. I think that's a very difficult job,
Speaker 1: because no GM has succeeded there in the last twenty years.
Speaker 3: But I go ahead, No, the twenty twenty two draft
Speaker 3: class was fantastic. Yes, that at least to hang his
Speaker 3: hat on. I mean, there were so many good players
Speaker 3: in that and then you had offensive and defensive rookies
Speaker 3: of the year.
Speaker 4: But the GM also has an enormous amount of say
Speaker 4: an enormous amount of voice when it comes to head
Speaker 4: coaching higher quarterback, and those two things, clearly because of
Speaker 4: the shakeups we've seen, are just not areas where the
Speaker 4: Jets have been able to all be on a congruent
Speaker 4: page for a number of reasons over the years.
Speaker 2: But certainly, yeah, how's firing Robert Sala worked out for you?
Speaker 1: Not that I think they would be in much better shape,
Speaker 1: but I actually bet they would have one more win.
Speaker 3: I that was how long ago?
Speaker 2: Was that?
Speaker 3: Was that six weeks ago?
Speaker 4: Seventeen years?
Speaker 3: Actually it feels like that seventeen decades ago.
Speaker 1: You know what their record was at the time. Two
Speaker 1: and three, and they had lost three one score games
Speaker 1: to good teams at the time, which, if you look back,
Speaker 1: was by far their best five games, you know, their
Speaker 1: stretch of the season. But that's it for Joe Douglas.
Speaker 1: It'll be an interesting hire. Some speculation that Woody Johnson
Speaker 1: will have a job in the Trump administration like he
Speaker 1: did in the previous one, and that maybe this is
Speaker 1: kind of getting.
Speaker 4: Giving him a project a fresh start.
Speaker 1: No, I mean like allowing the owner of the team
Speaker 1: to make those crucial next hires before that happens before
Speaker 1: the inauguration, which you know will be in January. So
Speaker 1: it's probably going to be Woody Johnson's hires to make.
Speaker 1: We'll find out the GM, the coach, and yes, the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers said publicly kind of that he was planning
Speaker 1: to return, but Ian Rappaport said on Sunday that it's
Speaker 1: probably something that he'll be thinking about and debating more
Speaker 1: into the off season. I kind of doubt they'll have
Speaker 1: a GM and or coach that's gonna want Aaron Rodgers back,
Speaker 1: which I did not expect coming into this season.
Speaker 2: But I don't think so right well.
Speaker 4: That person, it's not just because you fired the GM.
Speaker 4: That person is not just going to be paired with
Speaker 4: now a new head coach and finding the right match,
Speaker 4: the right pairing together. Not just doing the thing where
Speaker 4: the coaching agents come out of the woodwork and say, Okay,
Speaker 4: I have this guy and this guy, they're both my clients,
Speaker 4: let's put them together, but actually going through a thorough
Speaker 4: process and making sure, potentially using a search firm. I
Speaker 4: think that would be good as well, to pair the
Speaker 4: right culture builders together. We've seen really successful teams the
Speaker 4: Detroit Lions build that will be needed of this magnitude
Speaker 4: in New York, especially if you move on from the
Speaker 4: quarterback did the thing where they just really looked to
Speaker 4: pair like the right guys together, and then you have
Speaker 4: to really think about your entire language of your building,
Speaker 4: from all the assistant coaches, the current veteran personnal on
Speaker 4: the roster, including Aaron Rodgers, the coordinators. You also have
Speaker 4: to think about your entire scouting department, your entire pro
Speaker 4: personnel department. Like this is such an enormous job that
Speaker 4: goes so far beyond the surface of yes, they need
Speaker 4: a new head coach now and a new GM.
Speaker 3: It's a long to do list.
Speaker 1: It is, and I'm glad you brought that up. We're
Speaker 1: going to be doing some do overs.
Speaker 4: Nice segue guys.
Speaker 1: And the Jets are one of those, but let's still
Speaker 1: keep them in the segment. Actually, we'll start with the
Speaker 1: Jets then, because I just feel like we've talked so
Speaker 1: much about the Jets, not just have on two Tuesday Days,
Speaker 1: but just in general. And I do feel like this
Speaker 1: bye week and this is the last big firing that
Speaker 1: can happen unless they and Aaron Rodgers for Tyrod, which
Speaker 1: I really can't imagine. Aaron Rodgers actually, like the lukewarmest
Speaker 1: take ever is like he really hasn't been that bad.
Speaker 1: He's just not good, and he's and everything else that
Speaker 1: cane right, He's somewhere, he's somewhere in the middle, and
Speaker 1: he's not like he's playing almost to avoid injury, it
Speaker 1: feels like. And everything that comes along with Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: has helped I think to synk this team too, in
Speaker 1: the fact of who the play caller is and everything
Speaker 1: like that. So let's introduce the segment do overs for
Speaker 1: teams under five hundred. If we could go back in
Speaker 1: time and give this team a chance to do one
Speaker 1: thing over, Jordan. You came up with this, so a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on you this segment. You're excited. It
Speaker 1: could be a play call, it could be a coaching decision,
Speaker 1: it could be a personnel decision, it could be anything.
Speaker 3: I have a question to do overhere. You start though,
Speaker 3: what made you think of this? What sparked this? Was
Speaker 3: there a certain team or a certain move or a
Speaker 3: certain play.
Speaker 4: Just you know, my life mostly like you know, self
Speaker 4: scouting constantly, you know, picking up the wrong can of
Speaker 4: beans at the grocery store and then run, you know,
Speaker 4: riding back in the car to get the right can
Speaker 4: of beans. You know, these types of little.
Speaker 3: People have been there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so what we're gonna do is we're going
Speaker 1: to put two minutes on the clock.
Speaker 2: We will get to the TNF preview.
Speaker 1: By the way, at the end of the show, Steelers
Speaker 1: Brown two minutes on the clock to make sure we're concise.
Speaker 2: And that's it.
Speaker 1: You introduce what the one do over is, maybe suggest
Speaker 1: you know, a path forward to give this these teams
Speaker 1: and these fans hope, because these are some of the
Speaker 1: teams we'll be talking about a little less as the
Speaker 1: season goes along and then open it up to the
Speaker 1: floor a couple of minutes. We're also allowing because we
Speaker 1: all like to honk so much. Yep, one thirty second
Speaker 1: honk timeout that you can call a timeout and you
Speaker 1: can just honk like as much as.
Speaker 2: You want in that thirty seconds. We only use it once, okay.
Speaker 1: And yes, my producers are wondering, like I thought we
Speaker 1: had an order for this thing. Yes, we do have
Speaker 1: an order, but sometimes let's flip it on its head
Speaker 1: when we start, because.
Speaker 2: It just starts. It makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: It makes sense to me to just start with the
Speaker 1: Jets and finish the Jets off.
Speaker 2: It spent two more minutes on the Jets and then
Speaker 2: move on.
Speaker 1: So we are going to start with the Jets and
Speaker 1: then we'll go into Colleen and and the Colts. But yes,
Speaker 1: the clock has already started. It's up there on the screen.
Speaker 1: Oh no, what is happening?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: The decision, oh god, the decision was having a different
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator for Aaron Rodgers this season.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I have written down.
Speaker 2: To like that.
Speaker 1: I know he never played last season, so you didn't
Speaker 1: know if it was going to go poorly or not
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers, but I think standing up to him
Speaker 1: in a certain way, not having Nathaniel Hackett be your
Speaker 1: guy and having a strong voice in the room like
Speaker 1: a Lafleur when he came into Green Bay and really
Speaker 1: started doing things his way, but met Aaron Rodgers in
Speaker 1: the middle before this season even started to set a
Speaker 1: tone to have someone running, and they explored this idea.
Speaker 1: They literally interviewed Arthur Smith, and I don't think Arthur
Speaker 1: Smith wanted that job. In the end, he was going
Speaker 1: to come in over Hackett, but it was making a
Speaker 1: decision minute and that means we're at one minute to
Speaker 1: get rid of Hackett before the start of the year
Speaker 1: and have someone else coaching this team.
Speaker 4: When I interviewed Matt Lafleur for the play Caller series,
Speaker 4: he said that exact thing where he came into the
Speaker 4: building with something totally incongruent to what Aaron Rodgers was
Speaker 4: used to and the things that they did. So they
Speaker 4: sat in a room. If they don't Hackett was there,
Speaker 4: by the way, they sat in a room and over
Speaker 4: zoom and then had some meetings in the following weeks
Speaker 4: and months where they went over piece by piece by
Speaker 4: piece of the playbook. I like this, you like that.
Speaker 4: I like this, you like that. How can we compromise,
Speaker 4: how can we meet in the middle that was needed
Speaker 4: for I think players.
Speaker 1: Need to be coached, not just here. Run the show,
Speaker 1: run our Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean the fact that they didn't have a new
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator is the main thing I think that sticks
Speaker 3: out to me because I don't have to go through all.
Speaker 2: Of the numbers now I like at all.
Speaker 1: By the way, they if they count him as a
Speaker 1: post June first cut in the off season, actually save money,
Speaker 1: a lot of dead.
Speaker 2: Money on the cap, but they saved money. All right.
Speaker 1: Now we're going to get to the order we had
Speaker 1: expected coming into it. Let's go Colts and Colleen, and
Speaker 1: hopefully you don't stammer for the first ten seconds in
Speaker 1: such a way that your co host go home. My god,
Speaker 1: oh god, what is happening right now? It's not gonna
Speaker 1: make me feel more comfortable.
Speaker 3: And that's my worst nightmare. So I am so sorry,
Speaker 3: my sweet crag. All Right, the Colts. The biggest mistake
Speaker 3: the Doover that they absolutely need Anthony Richardson telling the truth.
Speaker 3: I mean, you have to take that tired tap out
Speaker 3: to the grave. He should have lied about that from
Speaker 3: the very jump. That is the absolute doue over. Everyone
Speaker 3: wants that doe over, I think for him, but especially
Speaker 3: he needing that. I mean, they probably also shouldn't have
Speaker 3: benched Anthony Richardson because the reps are what he needs
Speaker 3: right now, and they knew this when they drafted him
Speaker 3: like that, they were gonna have some tough times and
Speaker 3: growing pains, and that's that's precisely one of them. But
Speaker 3: Flacco going oho and two in those two games that
Speaker 3: were pretty winnable, that's not a great look. And who
Speaker 3: knows if Richardson would have even performed well in those games,
Speaker 3: but Flaco absolutely did not. So the whole Anthony Richardson
Speaker 3: tapping out debacle, let's let's bring that up.
Speaker 1: I love that that it's so like zeroed out to
Speaker 1: one answer, one single play. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: crazy for them to bench him. Maybe like mentally it
Speaker 1: seemed like it was good for him to get a
Speaker 1: little vacation. But I adds the weeks have gone on,
Speaker 1: I do think more and more that his answer was
Speaker 1: maybe the reason why they did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the telling of the truth was what got him
Speaker 3: in the end. So kids just remember that just lie.
Speaker 1: Not always, but sometimes it's been. Or did this not
Speaker 1: answer the question?
Speaker 4: What do you say? A one like a rib or
Speaker 4: you had? You know you got?
Speaker 3: You got jizzy, I don't know anything. Your heart started racing.
Speaker 3: You say you're tired. I would imagine that that's tough
Speaker 3: in the locker room. I know. Right after that, I
Speaker 3: did a show with Steve Mariucci and he was livid.
Speaker 3: He was beyond beside himself because he can't imagine a
Speaker 3: player of his tapping out because they're tired. I can't
Speaker 3: imagine a teammate doing that.
Speaker 1: Well, they're five and six. You're Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 3: I love the cult.
Speaker 4: Still.
Speaker 1: They do have the lines this week, but after that's
Speaker 1: some minimal games you never know they're in the mix.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm giving myself plenty of runway.
Speaker 3: I love that one.
Speaker 4: Colleen got the Dolphins, Jordan, I've got the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 4: My do over suggestion is in the off season, at
Speaker 4: some point, build an emergency offense with a decent quarter
Speaker 4: backup quarterback outside of the injury history. I think it's
Speaker 4: fine that the Dolphins built their A plus scheme to
Speaker 4: be predicated on the specificity of Tua as a timing
Speaker 4: thrower and the absolute speed of their offense. But while
Speaker 4: most teams are built built to climb toward like best
Speaker 4: case scenarios, when you do have an injury history, such
Speaker 4: as to a tug of Ilois that is really concerning
Speaker 4: and repeated over the last couple of years, you have
Speaker 4: to start thinking about the worst case scenario and how
Speaker 4: to mitigate that worst case scenario. Jimmy g could you
Speaker 4: could have beat the Rams on Jimmy g Ryan Tannehill
Speaker 4: was available, Joe Flacco, although Flaco we clearly see that
Speaker 4: wasn't like great this year for him, but Justin Fields
Speaker 4: was being shopped even at that time. So I think
Speaker 4: that's my do over for Miami. They're a frisky team
Speaker 4: right now. They're feisty. They don't feel like they're descending.
Speaker 4: They actually feel like they're a sending. But you could
Speaker 4: avoid some of those losses if you had a decent
Speaker 4: backup and an emergency backup plan simplified offense as a
Speaker 4: plan B.
Speaker 1: Right like they had him in the building Skyler Thompson
Speaker 1: for the last two years. Because it kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me of a lesser version of the Daniel Jones. It's
Speaker 1: like you messed up by mis evaluating your own roster
Speaker 1: by the way you speak of as sending teams. We
Speaker 1: have Anthony Weaver, the defensive coordinator of the Dolphins, coming
Speaker 1: up later this week. George's going to be part of
Speaker 1: that interview. So check that out on the Thursday night recap,
Speaker 1: we're going.
Speaker 2: To drop that.
Speaker 3: That's exciting. Yeah, they went one in three in games
Speaker 3: without Tua. They would be in a much better playoff
Speaker 3: position right now if they had someone legitimate in there,
Speaker 3: a backup other than Skyler Thompson or Tyler Huntley. And
Speaker 3: they're four and six right now, and I don't really
Speaker 3: know what they are. I have a hard time even
Speaker 3: evaluating them now that two is back and where they
Speaker 3: can go.
Speaker 4: According to the Athletics model, they still have a twenty
Speaker 4: eight percent chance of simply making.
Speaker 3: Okay, playoffs.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's not a pretty high. It's a lot higher
Speaker 2: than the ram.
Speaker 3: I won't know what the Bengals is.
Speaker 2: Good segue, It's almost happened. Okay, it's almost like she
Speaker 2: see actually on the way back professional here.
Speaker 3: Like for real, I do want to know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna look that up for you right now, I'm.
Speaker 1: Going back in time. I'm going back to letting Jesse
Speaker 1: Bates walk. Can we go back?
Speaker 2: Yas?
Speaker 3: That's a great one.
Speaker 1: Because it speaks to a larger problem that I also
Speaker 1: think affected this year again self scouting. When you have
Speaker 1: great players, they're they're making faces. What's the percentage chance
Speaker 1: for the Bengals that's that's higher than I would quick? Okay,
Speaker 1: you had you have to know what makes you great.
Speaker 1: They obviously didn't. They believed it's this lou Ana Roumo scheme.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah. Safety has been at the
Speaker 1: very core of their issues the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: and Jesse Bates did not cost abus. Now spinning that
Speaker 1: into this year, I think the Jamar Chase situation coming
Speaker 1: into this season was poisonous for this team. Both Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase and the Bengals really thought that deal was gonna
Speaker 1: get done. They were really disappointed about it. From what
Speaker 1: Paul Danner of The Athletic reported at that time, like
Speaker 1: the team was disappointed, Jamar Chase was disappoint It was
Speaker 1: hanging over the whole team. They lost that Week one
Speaker 1: without a lot of Jamar Chase involvement against the Patriots,
Speaker 1: like that just started this whole thing. So sometimes it's
Speaker 1: the vibes and sometimes it's doing things the right way.
Speaker 2: Pay your players early.
Speaker 4: I agree one with this decision, this do over that
Speaker 4: should have happened in the first place. And I saw
Speaker 4: someone post about this, an LSU grad that I follow,
Speaker 4: and she's usually a stage she's really really up to
Speaker 4: speed on current happenings with LSU players. And think about
Speaker 4: it this way. He's not in the post game after
Speaker 4: a very disappointing loss making sort of loaded comments about
Speaker 4: the play callers and about the vibe of the team overall.
Speaker 4: If he had already been paid and could understand and
Speaker 4: know and really see tangibly that he is the future
Speaker 4: of this franchise and a corner stone.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One thing I want to do, and it's tough in
Speaker 1: these two minutes, is also suggest a path forward, and
Speaker 1: I do taking that answer into account.
Speaker 3: You have eighteen.
Speaker 1: Think that a one solution would be a path without
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor. Don't make the playoffs this year. You're only
Speaker 1: going to get Joe Burrow once. He's the best quarterback
Speaker 1: our DAN franchise history, better than Boomer, better than Ken Anderson.
Speaker 1: Is Zach Taylor the guy to maximize him? Or is
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson? That's a job Ben Johnson would leave for.
Speaker 3: I love that, man. I kind of want to call
Speaker 3: time out because I didn't get you know, on this
Speaker 3: Bengals all right, Time out, Okay, because I just want
Speaker 3: to talk a little bit more about the fact that
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase is not signed long term, because they essentially
Speaker 3: showed their hand in not signing T Higgins either. So
Speaker 3: T is most likely gone after this offseason and they're
Speaker 3: only going to get a comp pick in return when
Speaker 3: you have all of these other wide receivers that went
Speaker 3: and they would get a one or sometimes like a
Speaker 3: nice little package there. Now, I'm not saying that T
Speaker 3: Higgins is on the same level as like a DeVante
Speaker 3: Adams or AJ Brown. I mean just thinking about different
Speaker 3: trades that have gone on, but surely they could have
Speaker 3: gotten something more than just a comp pick here. And
Speaker 3: when you look at their wins that they have, I mean,
Speaker 3: some people are still kind of giving them the benefit
Speaker 3: of the doubt the season, but there are four wins
Speaker 3: are against the Panthers, the Giants, the Browns, and the Raiders. Wah,
Speaker 3: so they are combined nine to thirty one this season.
Speaker 4: And they can't close close games that they can't close.
Speaker 2: I know it's all against these good teams. Man, I've
Speaker 2: been hammering.
Speaker 3: We only have Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 1: There is there is just some like loser like Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow and Jamar Chase and these teams. And they're a
Speaker 1: super Bowl team. They are obviously outstanding players and they
Speaker 1: will be in the future. But there's something about the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Bengals.
Speaker 2: That just have bad juju, bad vibes.
Speaker 1: And I think maybe it started with that Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: bringing it back around. Nice good use of your honking
Speaker 1: time out. All right, let's go to the Browns, their
Speaker 1: division rivals. We'll be talking about them a little on
Speaker 1: the TENF preview.
Speaker 3: But Colleen, Okay, this is tough because I didn't know
Speaker 3: that we could go back beyond this offseason.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I did it either, but I
Speaker 2: did so I knew. Just kidding.
Speaker 4: Obviously, we didn't tell you guys.
Speaker 3: Sean Watson is the biggest mistake and that should be
Speaker 3: the do over. But they couldn't. Just thinking about this season,
Speaker 3: It's not like they could have benched him this season
Speaker 3: because of the contract, so potentially moving on from Alex
Speaker 3: van Pelt and Joe Flacco is a duo. Now Flacco
Speaker 3: knows diving with the Colts kind of deep sixes that
Speaker 3: argument a bit. If he didn't, that would be lovely
Speaker 3: right now. But I think Kevin Stefanski probably should have
Speaker 3: handed over the play calling duties a little bit earlier
Speaker 3: to Ken Dorsey. Dorsey started calling the plays when Jamis
Speaker 3: Winston started. It's been a mixed bag since. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure that that would have made a whole difference with
Speaker 3: Ken Dorsey calling plays for Deshaun Watson had Deshaun Watson
Speaker 3: not been hurt. But maybe that is something that they
Speaker 3: should have done.
Speaker 1: It's funny how many of these stuff scouting because I
Speaker 1: wouldn't disagree with you. I thought about what would be
Speaker 1: mine for the Browns. Yeah, there's no great answer.
Speaker 3: I had such a hard time with this one.
Speaker 1: But benching Deshaun Watson before this season even started, like
Speaker 1: cutting him, I think that was their only chance. I
Speaker 1: think their decision to stand by Deshad was And you
Speaker 1: can say they didn't have a choice. Maybe they didn't
Speaker 1: maybe own maybe they didn't but that was their only chance,
Speaker 1: because I think sticking with him is going to cost everyone,
Speaker 1: not just this season, but maybe everyone there.
Speaker 3: I think the coaching staff would probably agree with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, think about it would have.
Speaker 2: Been bold, but it also would have been it would
Speaker 2: have made sense.
Speaker 4: I was thinking about this the other day. If if
Speaker 4: they move on, potentially from the coaching staff and then
Speaker 4: maybe potentially from the front office, if they clean house.
Speaker 4: Imagine if you just eat the significant exorbitant amount of
Speaker 4: dead money as an ownership group that you basically placed
Speaker 4: in escrow in order to sign to Sean Watson, to
Speaker 4: that guaranteed money in the first place. If you just
Speaker 4: ate that and then avoided now paying out a coaching extension,
Speaker 4: now paying out a general manager extent, so much, so
Speaker 4: much worse.
Speaker 1: I wish I want to give a path forward for
Speaker 1: the Browns. Maybe in the TNF preview, let's talk about
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Jordan, your favorite team.
Speaker 4: Okay. I crowdsourced this one to Chad Graf, my college
Speaker 4: the athletic, who does excellent bring the Patriots.
Speaker 3: Why Bill Smith dunked on the Bengals. He's a researcher
Speaker 3: here shout out to Bill.
Speaker 4: Jo Bill and so he had a great suggestion. We
Speaker 4: went back and forth on a couple of suggestions. His
Speaker 4: great one was draft Lad McConkey at number thirty four
Speaker 4: instead of Jalen Polk at number thirty seven. The Patriots
Speaker 4: traded back with the Chargers after Kean Coleman went first
Speaker 4: in the second round, the Chargers got Lad, Pats went
Speaker 4: for Polk, and I watched in person this last weekend.
Speaker 4: Drake may play in arguably his best game of the season,
Speaker 4: one of the better games from any rookie quarterback this
Speaker 4: year so far. And in part they got him going
Speaker 4: and really got him into a groove with this offense
Speaker 4: by getting quick throws in space, guys getting open quickly,
Speaker 4: and then him putting it on him right in the
Speaker 4: right spot at the right time, and then where they
Speaker 4: could get a few more yards. My first thought when
Speaker 4: Chad brought this up was, Wow, a perfect fit for
Speaker 4: a rookie quarterback who gets into a rhythm very quickly.
Speaker 4: If that timing and tempo is inserted into an offense.
Speaker 4: Are receivers who can get open. Lad mcconkey's tied in
Speaker 4: seventh among rookie wide receivers right now, with a minimum
Speaker 4: of one hundred and fifty routes with two point nine
Speaker 4: yards per separation. Jalen Polk is last.
Speaker 3: When I see Maconkeye, all I can see is how
Speaker 3: big his helmet looks on his head. And I was
Speaker 3: wondering if he was wearing a Guardian cap or not.
Speaker 3: But no, it's just because it's just to scale, which
Speaker 3: is just proportions are.
Speaker 1: He's like his head is small or I think he's
Speaker 1: a Kyler Murray thing.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's exactly right.
Speaker 1: Okay, It's so crazy that Chad brought this up because
Speaker 1: I've thought about this. What a disastrous pick, This Jalen
Speaker 1: Polk pick has been so far in that Lad mcconkeye
Speaker 1: was the name there that they were kind of tied
Speaker 1: to because it would make sense also because Patriots fans
Speaker 1: are just traumatized by terrible wide receiver picks and they're
Speaker 1: all almost all in the second round. Like Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: just could not other than Dean Branch not draft a
Speaker 1: wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Taekwon Thorton released this week.
Speaker 4: You want to take a honk time out? No, I
Speaker 4: wanted to see you up for your for your team.
Speaker 4: You're all the way back.
Speaker 2: I'm not all the way back. All right, let's take
Speaker 2: a honk time out. Oh wow, twist his arm, let
Speaker 2: not save it. Well, you've been getting on me about like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're all the way back.
Speaker 4: They've they've found the quarterback all the way back.
Speaker 1: Like this week for instance, when I assigned we assign
Speaker 1: out the games on Sundays, who's going to cover watch? Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to watch them every week. I don't
Speaker 1: want that to be the only thing that I'm watching live.
Speaker 1: But I thought Drake May before they even draft him.
Speaker 1: Coming into the draft, I was like, this is the
Speaker 1: prospect I'm as excited about along with Caleb as like
Speaker 1: any quarterback since like Andrew luck Base and the Patriots
Speaker 1: drafted him.
Speaker 2: So of course I'm gonna be into that.
Speaker 4: I have. I was texting you during the game. I
Speaker 4: was very happy for you. He was outstanding. They've they've
Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen, They've got him.
Speaker 1: I And this is how I know I'm not like
Speaker 1: the same as like some fa and would fee feeling
Speaker 1: out there because I've listened to Patriots podcast. Tom Curran
Speaker 1: has a great one, our friend, and of course they're
Speaker 1: talking about the team and the season and the disappointments
Speaker 1: and the loss, and it's just like none of this matters.
Speaker 1: Like watching that game, I could have cared less that
Speaker 1: they lost. I've never had that experience as a fan
Speaker 1: where it's like, literally, the only thing that matters from
Speaker 1: this season is did you just get yourself a franchise
Speaker 1: quarterback or not? And every week it's like, oh, yes
Speaker 1: you did, Oh yes you did, Oh yes you did.
Speaker 1: And it's even more and more like I thought that
Speaker 1: was the best game the Patriots have had since Tom
Speaker 1: Brady retired, because it's like, yes, he's definitely even I'm
Speaker 1: even more convinced now that he's the guy, so I
Speaker 1: could care less. I don't have much faith this talent.
Speaker 1: The talent on this roster is terrible. I don't know
Speaker 1: about the coaching staff, but like he is the only
Speaker 1: thing that matters.
Speaker 4: This thing they really got right in pairing with him
Speaker 4: was Alex Van Pelt, who is as a as I'm
Speaker 4: just saying, great for a young quarterback, as a presence,
Speaker 4: as a person spend some time around him at combines,
Speaker 4: pass and just as a person who's going to be
Speaker 4: there for the quarterback as somebody who you can go
Speaker 4: to you feel comfortable with like, I just I think
Speaker 4: that's the right pairing for for this point in Drake Mason.
Speaker 2: They looked the way better last co week.
Speaker 3: And Drake May paved the way for Jacoby Brissette to
Speaker 3: have the progressive commercial that he has right now and
Speaker 3: love I haven't seen the yet so funny they're doing passes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen them, seen the Dobbs, I've seen the
Speaker 1: case Keenum. I'm looking forward to one of my favorite
Speaker 1: campaign and it is crazy. No player in the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four draft has been less what they were advertised
Speaker 1: to be than Jalen Polk. Like if you just go
Speaker 1: actually like read what people were expecting of him in
Speaker 1: terms of just like dependable, like like maybe a low ceiling,
Speaker 1: but a really high floor, like great locker room guy,
Speaker 1: like does all the little things in detail. It's been
Speaker 1: the complete opposite, total fiasco. Maybe it's just a bad
Speaker 1: rookie year. All right, let's go to Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's me talking again. No it's not, it's the Bears
Speaker 1: and Colleen. Let's go to give it the Jets.
Speaker 3: All right, here we go, Bears, Hiar Shane Waldron. This
Speaker 3: feels like a place that they could have had a
Speaker 3: do over. I mean when they fired him, the Bears
Speaker 3: were twenty fourth in points per game, thirtieth in yards
Speaker 3: per game, thirty first and yards per play. I know
Speaker 3: that they have a rookie quarterback who is just getting
Speaker 3: used to everything, but that could be one thing. Honestly
Speaker 3: drafting real Madouonza, though, and not taking a tackle feels
Speaker 3: like the way they should have gone here. Their offensive line,
Speaker 3: the issues are obviously bad. Caleb has taken the most
Speaker 3: sacks in the league this season, and left tackle Braxton
Speaker 3: Jones has allowed the highest pressure rate of any left
Speaker 3: tackle in the entire NFL. Yeah. The three tackles too,
Speaker 3: that were picked after Rome Madoonza, Forshanu for the Jets,
Speaker 3: Fuaga for the Saints, and Mims for the Bengals all
Speaker 3: have pressure rates allowed below ten so far this season.
Speaker 2: Good good research, good pull.
Speaker 4: Good pull. Yeah, this is actually how I came up
Speaker 4: for this segment idea. I've made this stupid life joke earlier,
Speaker 4: but this was the bean it wasn't I do. I
Speaker 4: do like beans on toast, by.
Speaker 3: The way, but kind of beans on the blue.
Speaker 4: Can hines, like the British baked beans on sour like
Speaker 4: the brown beans, like baked beans. Colleen, that's I know,
Speaker 4: it's a weird thing that I that I will, Okay.
Speaker 4: So they had Zach Robinson in their building and they
Speaker 4: picked Shane Waldron over him. That was how I came
Speaker 4: up with this because I.
Speaker 1: Interviewed Liam Cohen, who's killing it. They interviewed Cliff Kingsbury,
Speaker 1: who I wouldn't have been in favor of that at
Speaker 1: the time, but he's doing pretty well.
Speaker 4: So that was when I came up with du The
Speaker 4: do over was like, yeah, you could have you could
Speaker 4: have really done that one over.
Speaker 1: I thought Waldron was getting too much blame. And then
Speaker 1: they come out against the Packers and we'll talk about
Speaker 1: it more on the previous show, but they were a
Speaker 1: totally different offense. Caleb looked awesome. That was one of
Speaker 1: the best games and that energy year.
Speaker 4: The energy, the vibes were really good. Talking to a
Speaker 4: couple of people in the building, you heard that players
Speaker 4: reached out to Thomas Brown about the energy specifically improving.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's pretty significant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anymore and that would give you a technical honking
Speaker 1: time out foul.
Speaker 4: I'm saving my revers I'm reverse.
Speaker 3: Mcbang that the baked beans on toast recipe that I
Speaker 3: just pulled up actually looks pretty good me.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, that's our homework assignment for next week before
Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving Tuesday show. Let's take a quick break and
Speaker 1: then we will finish up doing the duovers with teams
Speaker 1: under five hundred.
Speaker 2: Just one thing, do it?
Speaker 1: Okay, back on your beans on toast headquarters here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sour though, podcast. I guess it makes sense
Speaker 2: because bean's good. I think bread good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: Good, like what's not good on toast more or less.
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd go out of my way.
Speaker 4: To do it, but uh, it's it's comfort.
Speaker 2: I would have it's warm.
Speaker 3: I usually do towards.
Speaker 4: Good for your gut health, sourdough, bread and beans, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that health time of year for people. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you know about sauerkraut?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 1: Why is it a big gut health time year? Isn't
Speaker 1: it always a gut health time year?
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving? Thanks okay, just to get ready.
Speaker 4: For it, clean everything out, take everything in.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Speaking of overseas delicacies, Colleen is coming back here from Germany. Yes,
Speaker 1: we have not spoken. We have not at length. I
Speaker 1: mean some texts, but not not really like big picture.
Speaker 2: How was Germany?
Speaker 3: It was so much fun, and it was so great
Speaker 3: to see Joe Thomas for the first time in a while.
Speaker 3: I think actually it might be the first time I've
Speaker 3: seen him since he was inducted into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3: And we were there for his whole shindig, so that
Speaker 3: was really great. He took me. He was living in
Speaker 3: Munich for nine months and so he took me around
Speaker 3: and showed me all these things. He was coaching the
Speaker 3: offensive line for one of the German teams over there.
Speaker 2: So did he bring his whole family over there? He must?
Speaker 3: He brought the entire operation over there. They all live there,
Speaker 3: has four kids, young kids. Like what an adventure that
Speaker 3: they had. They went all over the place, to South
Speaker 3: Africa and did so many cool things. So he showed
Speaker 3: me all of the spots that they went to, took
Speaker 3: me to the Austrian border, saw the Alps. But one
Speaker 3: of my favorite parts of the entire trip was after
Speaker 3: the game had ended. There's like usually a little get together,
Speaker 3: a gathering of everyone that's involved from the league and
Speaker 3: the production and everything. So myself and Sarah Walsh thought
Speaker 3: it would be a perfect time to pitch a table
Speaker 3: of SVPs on a new platform that we think would
Speaker 3: be a really good hit called NFL Minus. And we
Speaker 3: you know, everyone's trying to do more. I think we
Speaker 3: need to pivot and do less. More is less, like
Speaker 3: less is more. It all works together and you know,
Speaker 3: we'll see if it has a future. As one of
Speaker 3: the SVPs pointed out, we would be the first in
Speaker 3: the minus space.
Speaker 4: That's that's a great point and break innovation.
Speaker 2: How many beers deep?
Speaker 3: Was this many? Many? Many?
Speaker 1: Like I want to yeah, I do want to think
Speaker 1: about what the content plan would be not much, Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it doesn't take a whole lot of resources.
Speaker 1: NFL Minus coming to like an NFL daily plug near you.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for that, and the off season seems like
Speaker 1: the perfect time to launch a little NFL Minus was
Speaker 1: fun seeing you over there. Let's let's talk about these teams.
Speaker 1: So we've gone through about half of them. We're going
Speaker 1: to go through the other half here. We're doing one
Speaker 1: do over for these teams that are under five hundred
Speaker 1: and hopefully providing a path forward. You are up next,
Speaker 1: Jordan with the Jaguars.
Speaker 4: All right, where to pick? Where to pick?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man got him out a good time.
Speaker 4: The year is twenty twenty two. The Jaguars hired Doug
Speaker 4: Peterson on February third as one particular candidate for that
Speaker 4: year's hiring cycle. Continued to prepare for the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Doug Peterson went on to lead the Jaguars to a
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five record over the next three years. Penn
Speaker 4: the next couple weeks maybe do over. Fast forward to
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, where the Kevin O'Connell led Jacksonville Jaguars
Speaker 4: were streaking toward the postseason. Trevor Lawrence gets better every week,
Speaker 4: led by the ultra empathetic, ultra bright quarterback whisper himself O'Connell.
Speaker 4: Hill brings Brian Flores to Jacksonville with him, and Flores
Speaker 4: brings his defense, altering veteran players unrealized offensive potential is
Speaker 4: finally realized. Kevin and Trevor do peyton sip classes together
Speaker 4: with their wives the end in the off season.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, the super empathetic.
Speaker 1: Is got me. He's like handsome you know what he do?
Speaker 1: He is great.
Speaker 4: He's a quarterback.
Speaker 3: Whisperer.
Speaker 4: He really reached Trevor.
Speaker 2: You know, did they interview O'Connell do you happen to
Speaker 2: know or No?
Speaker 4: I don't think they did.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: This team, they we got on them on Sunday when
Speaker 1: I assumed that Doug Peterson was going to be fired.
Speaker 2: He has not been fired yet.
Speaker 3: I hate this watch. I hate waiting for it.
Speaker 1: I hate the like Belichick is interest in it. Are
Speaker 1: we just going to get that with every team that's
Speaker 1: coming up? Just it's almost like Doug Peterson wants to
Speaker 1: get fired and they like they won't let him get fired. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what's happening.
Speaker 3: He's just hostage there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I think he knows the score,
Speaker 1: like he's been around, he knows it's going to happen,
Speaker 1: and he's just kind of waiting for it.
Speaker 4: That's this time of year, though, you know, That's what
Speaker 4: goes on behind the scenes in these hiring cycles is
Speaker 4: you know, in September October, coaches who are either free
Speaker 4: agents or potentially upcoming coaches start to get put together staff,
Speaker 4: staff ideas and really start to circle. Like you know,
Speaker 4: Vulture a little bit over potential opening. So that's why
Speaker 4: you're seeing this come out now.
Speaker 1: Better, better opportunity than they're in Jacksonville. I actually think
Speaker 1: there's good players. Brian Thomas Junior treatmon Walker's turning into
Speaker 1: pretty good. Like they have used your time out, they
Speaker 1: have players. I'm just saying that that's a better job
Speaker 1: than other ones I think would be attracted, especially for gms.
Speaker 4: I'm going to you wanted to give me a technical before, and.
Speaker 2: That was like the same amount of time Titans start
Speaker 2: the call.
Speaker 3: Schools are a little different for Greg.
Speaker 2: They are.
Speaker 1: Here's where we're going to go back in time to
Speaker 1: the moment that you sided with ran Carthon in a
Speaker 1: power struggle.
Speaker 2: Between Mike Rabel, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like not that ran Carthon was necessarily the wrong side,
Speaker 1: but when the power struggle is happening in your building,
Speaker 1: just get rid of it or or not, Like, don't
Speaker 1: just pick the side that makes more sense to you,
Speaker 1: because again, just like the Jets have done over the years,
Speaker 1: the two sides are not necessarily aligned. What was ran
Speaker 1: Carthon's big plan this offseason? Spend a lot of money
Speaker 1: on this defense. Let's get lugerious sneed, let's get Chadobi
Speaker 1: a Wuozi. They did not act like a team that
Speaker 1: was sort of building from scratch. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it had to do with the Brian Callahan as coach,
Speaker 1: you know, model moving forward, you got to get Callahan
Speaker 1: a quarterback, and look, this is his coach, so these
Speaker 1: two have to make it work together.
Speaker 2: But I just don't like one minute choosing with one.
Speaker 1: Side of a pretty nasty power struggle, because that's just
Speaker 1: like dating someone who you started dating them when they're
Speaker 1: cheating on their spouse. It's like, there's probably going to
Speaker 1: be more power struggles, you know what I mean, It's
Speaker 1: probably going to be more messin iness.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was already a red flag, Yes, so there
Speaker 4: would be I think is what you meant to say
Speaker 4: that there will be some red flags down the line.
Speaker 4: At that point, Mike Rabel is probably going to get
Speaker 4: hired as a head coach this year, and so I
Speaker 4: think in fairness to Brian Callahan, kind of like how
Speaker 4: we talk about with quarterbacks, you don't really know necessarily
Speaker 4: what you've got. If a quarterback has like a tattered
Speaker 4: offensive line or a tattered receiving corps or whatever, or
Speaker 4: maybe a subpar coordinator. With offensive coordinators, you don't really
Speaker 4: know what you've got until he's got an actual quarterback
Speaker 4: to work with.
Speaker 3: So are you suggesting that they should have fired brand
Speaker 3: too at the same time, just like blow it all up?
Speaker 2: Or yeah, because.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about Trent Balky in Jacksonville since we were
Speaker 3: just talking about that. I just all the rumors that
Speaker 3: were swirling before Doug Peterson was hired.
Speaker 1: Right, It's like rand Carthun was there for a couple
Speaker 1: of years, So this team isn't really totally his team
Speaker 1: because it was kind of Mike Rabel's team and then
Speaker 1: you side with it.
Speaker 2: Now it's not totally Brian Kellen.
Speaker 1: It's just it's no one's incongruous, that's right, Yes, Cowboys, Colleen.
Speaker 5: Truly so many directions that we could go in, Charlie. Honestly,
Speaker 5: I mean paying Deck and Cede Lamb, not firing McCarthy
Speaker 5: and swapping for Bill Belichick, which I feel like that
Speaker 5: would be a huge spot for Bill Belichick to be
Speaker 5: the Cowboys head coach. But not investing in the run
Speaker 5: game is it feels boring, But that is the winner
Speaker 5: for me. I mean, when you obviously we know from
Speaker 5: watching the game the numbers are really bad, so I
Speaker 5: won't go into those again. But the group of running
Speaker 5: backs that were available last.
Speaker 3: Off season, are you kidding me? Makes this so much worse.
Speaker 3: You had Saquon Barkley, Josh Jacobs, Derrick Henry, DeAndre Swift,
Speaker 3: Tony Popp, Austin Eckler, Aaron Jones, JK. Dobbins who just
Speaker 3: won the game for the Chargers. There were so many
Speaker 3: talented running backs, and I'm almost already rolling my eyes
Speaker 3: at the people who are bringing back the argument that,
Speaker 3: oh my god, so I guess running backs are important now,
Speaker 3: but they were always important. This was always something that
Speaker 3: needed to be done, especially in Dallas. And I would
Speaker 3: give an honorable mention to the hiring of Mike Zimmer
Speaker 3: as dan Quinn's replacement. The Cowboys are allowing twenty nine
Speaker 3: points per game. Only the Panthers are worse. They've completely
Speaker 3: fallen apart at home thirty seven point four points per game,
Speaker 3: the worst home points per game allowed by any team
Speaker 3: in an entire season in NFL history. It's never been worse.
Speaker 3: I mean, you have, obviously the injuries that play into this.
Speaker 3: Michael Parsons and Doron Bland and DeMarcus Lawrence. But this
Speaker 3: feels like a systemic situation that could have made be
Speaker 3: gone a different direction had they figured that out from
Speaker 3: the top.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's doing.
Speaker 1: If you were going to give them that money, give
Speaker 1: it to them earlier and not have it cast up
Speaker 1: Paul over the whole season, and then maybe you could
Speaker 1: have freed up the money for free agency the coach
Speaker 1: in the last year of his contract. There's a reason
Speaker 1: why teams don't do that. Yeah, yeah, this is the reason.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to call a honk time out. Oh, raw,
Speaker 4: I'm going to.
Speaker 3: Talk about the roof falling there.
Speaker 4: Well, I want to go back to it. Well, I
Speaker 4: would love to, because I just am baffled by all
Speaker 4: of the architectural decisions over there, team building and otherwise. Colleen,
Speaker 4: I love that you brought up the run game on
Speaker 4: this because I agree with you because in a season
Speaker 4: where let's say all of this other stuff was gonna
Speaker 4: happen anyway, you have a lame duck head coach who
Speaker 4: just sinks deeper into misery on the sideline, you have
Speaker 4: players there. Now you're in a space with this team
Speaker 4: now where you know there are people in the in
Speaker 4: the camera truck literally assigned to catch all of the
Speaker 4: looks of dismay and discussed and disappointment on the sideline
Speaker 4: from Micah Parsons from CD Lamb from Yes.
Speaker 2: Sack camera, Oh oh thanks.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people from dak up in up
Speaker 4: in the booth like it's it is there at that
Speaker 4: point in the season where the sky is literally falling
Speaker 4: and could have been seriously hurt somebody because you're and
Speaker 4: the stadium is is style over substance where the sun
Speaker 4: is in people's eyes, and there are tours that make
Speaker 4: people like, look at what the players through a glass
Speaker 4: window when they're lifting weights, and it is You're seriously
Speaker 4: in this place where it's so style over substance this
Speaker 4: year and so glaringly clear. If you had a run game,
Speaker 4: you got substance. You have teeth, you have physicality, you
Speaker 4: have something that actually proves I am a real football team.
Speaker 4: And I know what I'm about. Soun like, this is identity,
Speaker 4: not this is not that. This is style points only
Speaker 4: and that's why the Cowboys are in dire straits this year.
Speaker 1: Well, that reminds me of the Super Bowl that was
Speaker 1: in Dallas. Do you remember what happened there with that
Speaker 1: stadium that they tried to build an extra seat and
Speaker 1: then it like collapsed or whatever, and they had to
Speaker 1: find I think the statute of limitations is fine. They
Speaker 1: had to find NFL employees to give up their their
Speaker 1: Super Bowl seats. This was all reported by my employer
Speaker 1: at the time Pro Football Talk, So you know they
Speaker 1: had to find like NFL employees to like get give
Speaker 1: up their seats.
Speaker 3: I'm going to flee this entire part out.
Speaker 2: This is really not controversy.
Speaker 4: I love it all used talk time out.
Speaker 2: It really was they do you need a cigarette? All
Speaker 2: right before we move on?
Speaker 1: If you could do it again, I'm not saying if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could do it again, though, that's interesting too.
Speaker 2: Would you give Dak that contract?
Speaker 3: I think, knowing where they are, I want to know,
Speaker 3: I wanted him trade it.
Speaker 4: I want to go somewhere glorious.
Speaker 1: I actually think trading him at that moment in time
Speaker 1: was probably the move for this team, not cutting him
Speaker 1: or anything. Of course, he's Dak Prescott, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: know in Cowboys fans, yeah, but there's cap ramifications. It
Speaker 1: would have been all this dead.
Speaker 2: Heads, like yeah, well, I don't know you messed that up, Bucks, Jordan,
Speaker 2: You're up?
Speaker 4: Okay. It's Week seven with a minute four left to
Speaker 4: play in Bucks Ravens and after taking a seven yard sack,
Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield is eyeing a third and seventeen. He throws
Speaker 4: a twenty one yard pass up the middle to star
Speaker 4: receiver Chris Godwin, who makes the catch but then crumples
Speaker 4: to the ground with a brutal ankle injury that will
Speaker 4: eventually require surgery and end his season. Do over, it's
Speaker 4: Kyle Trask throwing to Jalen McMillan or Sterling Shepherd because
Speaker 4: starters were pulled with six minutes and thirty eight seconds
Speaker 4: left in the fourth quarter. When Lamar Jackson's touchdown passed
Speaker 4: to Derek Henry made it a twenty three point game.
Speaker 4: I admired Todd Bowles a lot, one of my favorite
Speaker 4: coaches in this league. I understand his response to this
Speaker 4: after the game that they were trying to win and
Speaker 4: indeed they ripped out two touchdowns in those last few
Speaker 4: minutes against the most prevent of a prevent defense as
Speaker 4: it gets. And I know that Todd Bowles understands his
Speaker 4: players wanted to win and wanted to fight. I also
Speaker 4: admire the job that Liam Cohen, Baker Mayfield and a
Speaker 4: group on both sides of the ball that has been
Speaker 4: decimated by injuries but play so hard every week. I
Speaker 4: admire the job that they've done. But if they could
Speaker 4: go back and do this again, preventing a gruesome and
Speaker 4: horrific injury to one of the best young receivers in
Speaker 4: this league, or older but still young receivers in this league,
Speaker 4: I bet you they would take that opportunity for a duo.
Speaker 1: And the path forward to me is go win the
Speaker 1: damn thing. And I don't mean like the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I mean the NFC South. With their schedule and the
Speaker 1: way the Falcons look, I think they still have a chance.
Speaker 1: I know they don't have the tiebreaker, They're only one
Speaker 1: lost back, there's a lot of weeks to go. They're
Speaker 1: a talented team because I think it might take that
Speaker 1: for Todd Bowles to keep his job. Whether that's fair
Speaker 1: or not, I don't know, but I could see them
Speaker 1: promoting Liam Cohen. I could certainly see them. They seem
Speaker 1: like the most likely Belichick team to me, just because
Speaker 1: of his history with Jason light so a lot on
Speaker 1: the table here for the Bucks down Strep.
Speaker 3: I'm looking right now at when Hendon Hooker went in
Speaker 3: the game for the Lions, just based on how much
Speaker 3: of a blowout game that was over the Jags and
Speaker 3: just the decision that coaches have of when to pull
Speaker 3: the guys out of the game, the starters, and how
Speaker 3: you kind of balance that.
Speaker 1: That was a great one. I wanted to have like
Speaker 1: a single play to change as one of mine, and.
Speaker 4: That's a great, great, great giving out the assignment so
Speaker 4: you could have the power if you wanted.
Speaker 2: I could.
Speaker 1: I just mean, I thank you come up with a
Speaker 1: play or something like that. I mean we we did
Speaker 1: go all Sean McVay and use all of our time
Speaker 1: outs with like waft of the game. I'm doing the
Speaker 1: Saints because you have to just do the obvious that
Speaker 1: DA should have never come back this season, and so
Speaker 1: I think spinning forward for them, it's interesting how much
Speaker 1: better they're playing with Darren Rizzy.
Speaker 2: There's a lot more left of the season.
Speaker 1: I could actually see keeping Darren Rizzy if you didn't
Speaker 1: keep making love Like there's no way they're going to
Speaker 1: do that, because I think what's gonna this job is
Speaker 1: going to be so gnarly for any coach to come
Speaker 1: in that it's they truly have to eat some of
Speaker 1: these contracts because bringing DA back also just have them
Speaker 1: kick all these cans down the road even further. People think, oh,
Speaker 1: this is an older team, like they're stuck with it,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. It's probably because the moves they made
Speaker 1: this year. They extended Derek Carr this year, like Kim
Speaker 1: Kim Jordan and some of the veterans, like they got
Speaker 1: new contracts this year that just kind of kicked financial
Speaker 1: pain into the future where they're not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to get out from under it. So they should have
Speaker 1: done that earlier. There was no path towards Dennis Allen
Speaker 1: ever beating.
Speaker 3: Everyone knew that he was a lame Dune coach coming
Speaker 3: into the season, and there were guys out there like Belichick,
Speaker 3: like Rabel that they could have went with. I think
Speaker 3: it's nice that I love coach Riz. That's what everyone
Speaker 3: calls him. We had him on GMFB one of those
Speaker 3: shows that I did, and he was awesome. He was
Speaker 3: just so fun, so cool. I totally can see why
Speaker 3: the players are playing the way they are for him.
Speaker 4: With him, I think he's a beans on toast guy.
Speaker 4: Do you think that Mickey Loomis will keep his job? Greg,
Speaker 4: I do genuinely want to know your take on that.
Speaker 2: I think he will, but I don't should he. No,
Speaker 2: that's what I mean. You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't do a restart there without that. Their path forward, though,
Speaker 1: is pretty simple. I know people like Spencer Ratler and everything,
Speaker 1: but they got to just keep taking quarterbacks. They got
Speaker 1: to try to find a couple extra picks and hit
Speaker 1: on him because it's been a minute since since they
Speaker 1: did this last class.
Speaker 4: We'll see and what happens with Chris o'lave. I mean,
Speaker 4: I know he's obviously there, but like man that the
Speaker 4: vibes in the protectiveness that you have to whoever comes
Speaker 4: in has to have over that young man.
Speaker 3: This is Greg's second favorite team, and I see the
Speaker 3: pain on his face.
Speaker 2: It's right.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Are they my second favorite? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just feel like two lane New Orleans.
Speaker 1: I got I got quite sick of like the end
Speaker 1: of the Peyton Breeze era, but I do like them.
Speaker 1: If they need to get the right coach that can
Speaker 1: embrace not this old Mickey Loomis Stuff.
Speaker 2: Panthers, Colleen Man, Okay, like they are.
Speaker 3: They're similar to the Cowboys in that you can go
Speaker 3: in so many different directions. The sky is the limit
Speaker 3: with options here, but just like in a more much
Speaker 3: more tragic way when you put them one to one
Speaker 3: against the Cowboys. I guess the main one I'd go
Speaker 3: with is they should have started the season I think
Speaker 3: with Andy Dalton instead of benching Bryce Young, because letting
Speaker 3: him get blown out to start the year just doesn't
Speaker 3: feel like a great way to develop your quarterback and
Speaker 3: his confidence. Obviously, now that he's starting again, his numbers
Speaker 3: are much better and the Panthers are two and one
Speaker 3: and they're three games back with him, but losing by
Speaker 3: thirty seven week one to the Saints and then twenty
Speaker 3: three by twenty three points week two to the Chargers
Speaker 3: like that, that's not great on a team that already
Speaker 3: has so many issues and they're trying to get his
Speaker 3: confidence back, especially after last year. I think they just
Speaker 3: should have maybe had a softer landing or transition for
Speaker 3: him into this year.
Speaker 4: They had a lot of issues already to your point
Speaker 4: on that side of the ball, and I keep coming
Speaker 4: back as well to the reporting and some of the
Speaker 4: buzz and chatter around Giro Everro last season and how
Speaker 4: there were other teams who were sort of circling around
Speaker 4: the Panthers thinking that perhaps this team could let him
Speaker 4: out of the final year on his contract, and they
Speaker 4: did not because they wanted to have to be able
Speaker 4: to fall back on their defense just in case the
Speaker 4: offense still struggled. Well, that was not Dave Canalis is
Speaker 4: higher and so you have a little bit of incongruousness
Speaker 4: his city, right and his quarterbacks, and it wasn't his quarterback.
Speaker 4: So now you're patching all of these different pieces together
Speaker 4: in different ways, and I think you're Ever's a dang
Speaker 4: good coach at the same time. Getting everything on the
Speaker 4: same page in that building has been such a chore
Speaker 4: over the last several years, and I am curious to
Speaker 4: see if Dave Canalis just decides to go his own
Speaker 4: way over the next year or two years.
Speaker 1: Some of the things they wanted to do have worked.
Speaker 1: They do have a running game, the offensive line is better.
Speaker 1: I have a little bit of hope. I think Bryce's
Speaker 1: playing better. Giants Jordan only two more to go?
Speaker 4: Where to pick?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Where to pick? As stars in the sky. No Giants
Speaker 4: fans will almost assuredly want me to say do over,
Speaker 4: don't let Saquon Barkley out of the building. But I
Speaker 4: like Saquon too much as a person. I'm too happy
Speaker 4: for him and for Colleen to resign him to that fate,
Speaker 4: and I would argue that I truly don't believe he'd
Speaker 4: have this level of success if still in New York,
Speaker 4: with the Giants in their current state, I would call
Speaker 4: a do over on the entire quarterback situation. I would
Speaker 4: have moved on from Daniel Jones, regardless of the financial ramifications.
Speaker 4: You already were going to be drafting and building out
Speaker 4: a young team. You knew Daniel Jones was not going
Speaker 4: to elevate that group. In fact, if you have to
Speaker 4: ask yourself whether your quarterback can actually help your team
Speaker 4: grow up, you have the wrong quarter I would have
Speaker 4: either pushed a trade for a quarterback or drafted one,
Speaker 4: even if stuck at number six, even if we're talking
Speaker 4: about the present year, because I actually don't hate the idea,
Speaker 4: and I'm sorry this is crazy. I know of bo Nix,
Speaker 4: how he's playing right now, paired with Brian Dable, and
Speaker 4: you have number six. Overall, you're telling me a team
Speaker 4: with an established quarterback is not going to listen to
Speaker 4: you if you have that pick floating around in the ether.
Speaker 3: The theme of this whole entire episode is set your
Speaker 3: ego aside and be able to admit when you're wrong,
Speaker 3: and then that will, you know, provide a path for success.
Speaker 1: I talk too much about the Giants on the Monday
Speaker 1: Night recap with Shook based on the benching of Danny Dimes,
Speaker 1: and we promised, actually that I would not talk about
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones again until he was released, and even then
Speaker 1: it would be just looking forward that we've been over this,
Speaker 1: this Giants team.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Your eye just twitched, did.
Speaker 2: You see that?
Speaker 4: I do think this also, it does all come back
Speaker 4: to Saquon Barkley in the end, because you remember, guys,
Speaker 4: they tagged him in twenty twenty three and they decided
Speaker 4: to pay Daniel Jones after initially declined to Daniel Jones
Speaker 4: fifth year option and instead of paying Barkley, and that
Speaker 4: was the beginning of the end.
Speaker 1: It's the fifth year option because if they gave that
Speaker 1: to him to begin with, ye, that would have been.
Speaker 4: It exact and they would have gotten rid of do over.
Speaker 2: We got the right two over.
Speaker 1: I'm going to wrap up with the Raiders, who to me,
Speaker 1: are very similar to the Giants conversation that we just had.
Speaker 1: I think brock Bauers is the best receiving tight end
Speaker 1: in the NFL right now. I think he likes you know,
Speaker 1: he's a rookie, but so you don't want to put
Speaker 1: too much on him, but he looks like a future
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer because he's he's the best. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's as good a receiving tight end that I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: because partly because players just get better. I think as
Speaker 1: the years get on, they get more talented, and he
Speaker 1: is the newest version of an evolution that's been going
Speaker 1: on for like twenty years.
Speaker 2: He is that good, like he is all pro now good.
Speaker 1: And yet I think the move coming into this season
Speaker 1: is still as good as he is at tight end,
Speaker 1: as good as Malik Neighbor's going to be at wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I do think it's trading up and going and getting
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. You could have done it. You could have
Speaker 1: done it for Petex too, who we heard that they loved.
Speaker 1: They would have taken Bnicks. According to reports if he
Speaker 1: had fallen to them, and that's partly why Denver took
Speaker 1: him at twelve. I believe it was because this season
Speaker 1: now just felt like a big waste of time, didn't
Speaker 1: really give Antonio Pierce a chance to build something. If
Speaker 1: Pierce isn't back next year, you're like on four different
Speaker 1: head coaches getting hired and getting paid by the same team.
Speaker 1: And tom Brady's maybe gonna want to pick some guy.
Speaker 1: You could have some quarterback there for tom Brady to
Speaker 1: go in there and tootle it, tutor like.
Speaker 3: That's a show what tom Brady's gonna do.
Speaker 2: Well, we've got a tutelage, he's got a tootage.
Speaker 4: He's mind on the beans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's how it works. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: The Raiders are a disaster. They've been a disaster though,
Speaker 3: it feels like for a while. And just the shot
Speaker 3: of Max Crosby at the end of that game last week,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys saw it, but I did,
Speaker 3: just pure dejection.
Speaker 2: Poor Raiders fans. They are so loyal, they're such good fans.
Speaker 4: They really are. They travel and they've.
Speaker 1: Just been giving nothing back and this team they're not
Speaker 1: even interesting. Well, I'll give you brock Bowers. He is interesting.
Speaker 4: Time to come.
Speaker 1: You have a foundation piece with Max Crosby. All right,
Speaker 1: that's it for all the duovers for the team's under
Speaker 1: five hundred. That was fun, Jordan, good idea. We're gonna
Speaker 1: wrap up the show with a little t enough preview
Speaker 1: after the bleak back on NFL Daily where yes, Tom
Speaker 1: Brady was gonna tutelage.
Speaker 2: A quarterback.
Speaker 4: He said he's gonna tootle him.
Speaker 1: Sounds Greg Craig, Sorry I did. I did the thing
Speaker 1: where I called a crag of Greg and vice versus.
Speaker 1: That's happened to me before, Craig horrorback of the Ringer
Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Show has an amazing Tom Brady impression that
Speaker 1: you guys should just go okay, seek out.
Speaker 3: But I love Rex.
Speaker 4: Yeah recommendation, people finish listening to this show before do it.
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Speaker 4: But I helped recruit you.
Speaker 2: I said that I need to work on my Tom
Speaker 2: Brady impression. That was me warm Wow. Maybe trying to
Speaker 2: go ahead?
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Greg, like you have the floor.
Speaker 2: That's a great show. That's a great that's an a
Speaker 2: plus throw KP. I don't know. No, that's not good.
Speaker 2: I gotta work on it. Eric just sounds so angry,
Speaker 2: just sounds so angry all the time.
Speaker 4: Because nobody could possibly live up to his expectations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're very high.
Speaker 4: Take that out, Eric, leave that in.
Speaker 1: Okay, it is time for our tnfpred presented by Prime
Speaker 1: Video Brown Steelers. There's some fun things to talk about
Speaker 1: with this game. Yeah, the Browns not playing well over all.
Speaker 1: Their defense has kind of collapsed. Kind of been a
Speaker 1: small story there, Jim Schwartz. They're twenty fifth right now
Speaker 1: in DVOA on the season. They really miss j Okay,
Speaker 1: there's poor communication, there's coverage bus. This is Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: coming off his worst game as a Steeler by a
Speaker 1: good amount. I would say this should be the perfect
Speaker 1: matchup to maybe turn that around, because this is a
Speaker 1: Browns team that's given up a lot.
Speaker 2: Of big plays.
Speaker 3: The perfect matchup. If this was the Steelers of old,
Speaker 3: you remember they would always win the big games and
Speaker 3: then they would immediately play down to their competition.
Speaker 2: Good point on a short.
Speaker 3: Week after they just had this battle with Baltimore and
Speaker 3: now they have the Browns and it's a division game,
Speaker 3: so it feels like there are all the makings here
Speaker 3: for this to maybe be a letdown. I'm still picking
Speaker 3: the Steelers in this game, but both of these pass
Speaker 3: rushes are really good, so I'm not sure how many
Speaker 3: points are going to be scored. I don't know how
Speaker 3: many turnovers there's going to be.
Speaker 2: TJ.
Speaker 3: Watt always seems to have big games against the Browns,
Speaker 3: and Watt plays over ninety percent of his snaps on
Speaker 3: the left side, which puts him up against right tackle
Speaker 3: Jack Conklin and Conklin. Since he started in Week six,
Speaker 3: he's allowed eight quick pressures, the second most among all
Speaker 3: right tackles in that span. So I can't imagine that
Speaker 3: they're gonna move Whatt around a lot because they don't
Speaker 3: have Alex high Smith out there. Plus Jameis Winston. We
Speaker 3: know what happens when he gets that pressure, and when
Speaker 3: he's in bad situations, he'll just throw one up the
Speaker 3: Lord takes over exactly. So that's like, honestly, the pass
Speaker 3: rushes on both side sides I think is the most
Speaker 3: interesting part of this game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am gonna love seeing both defenses. From this,
Speaker 4: the Steelers feel to me like just obviously much more
Speaker 4: of a complete team, So ultimately I'm going to pick
Speaker 4: them as well. But I will say, you know how,
Speaker 4: a lot of times we joke in games that are
Speaker 4: like a shootout, for example, that are like, oh, last
Speaker 4: score wins or last points win or.
Speaker 3: Whatever as the ball.
Speaker 4: To me, this is last turnover wins or last forced
Speaker 4: turnover wins, because both of these defenses are going to
Speaker 4: be active, in my opinion, or are going to do
Speaker 4: their best to be active in a variety of different
Speaker 4: ways from rush to coverage, and like I said, I
Speaker 4: think front to back, even without Alex Heismith, the Steelers
Speaker 4: are just such a complete, full bodied team on both
Speaker 4: sides of the ball now. But I do think that
Speaker 4: this is going to be a defensive battle and we're
Speaker 4: going to see some really cool pass rush plans.
Speaker 1: Guys. Okay, okay, yeah. Because the offensive line for the
Speaker 1: Browns has been terrible. Jedrick Wills might play in this game.
Speaker 1: They lost Touwan Jones for the season on Sunday, who
Speaker 1: had been stepping in at left tackle. They don't really
Speaker 1: have a plan right now at tackle short or long term,
Speaker 1: and that's brutal going up against Pittsburgh. I hear your
Speaker 1: point though about the Steelers playing down. That wasn't a
Speaker 1: emotional rivalry game win. This is a division matchup on
Speaker 1: the road.
Speaker 2: Just in a short wheel that Twitter, I'm going with that,
Speaker 2: And like the.
Speaker 1: Steelers secondary to me has been up and down. Like
Speaker 1: Joey Porter Junior is very a very good example of
Speaker 1: it that. He was one of the reasons why they
Speaker 1: won that game against the Ravens. He was fantastic. But
Speaker 1: his bad games has been very bad, so maybe they
Speaker 1: can get it going. I thought Jamis played pretty well
Speaker 1: against the Saints. Actually, I was surprised when I went
Speaker 1: back that the last couple of games, even the one,
Speaker 1: even the two starts ago, which you felt like a
Speaker 1: little bit of a fiasco for him. I didn't think
Speaker 1: it was as bad as the tape. Maybe it's just
Speaker 1: because you know, I've always been a Jamis guy. And
Speaker 1: even in a game like that where you lose thirty
Speaker 1: five to fourteen against the Saints, like he had four
Speaker 1: or five throws in that game that were like incredible throws.
Speaker 2: So he's fun at least entertain us.
Speaker 4: Jamison the Saints. It just makes sense. Yeah, and I
Speaker 4: think too that this this is going to be where
Speaker 4: you are correct and talking about their their past defense,
Speaker 4: and it's been up and down. When they take the
Speaker 4: ball away, they do it in spurts, they do it
Speaker 4: multiple times, either in a game or week over week,
Speaker 4: and when things are on the ground in front of them,
Speaker 4: they don't miss tackles. The Steelers have missed the least
Speaker 4: amount of tackles in the entire NFL this season, just
Speaker 4: sixty three. They can wrap at almost a ninety percent rate,
Speaker 4: rap and bring you to the ground on first contact,
Speaker 4: so you're not going to create much against them unless
Speaker 4: it is literally over the top of them.
Speaker 3: It does concern me a little bit that aside from
Speaker 3: George Pickens, none of the Steelers wide receivers could get
Speaker 3: open against the league's worst passing defense Like that, that
Speaker 3: was really bad. You had George Pickens who was eight
Speaker 3: for eighty nine, and then everybody else combined for two
Speaker 3: catches for three yards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see if, like Mike Williams gets more in
Speaker 1: the mix, but they're playing Van Jefferson and Calvin Austin over.
Speaker 1: Although he was still out there a decent amount of
Speaker 1: snaps and didn't do much. Like the book to stop
Speaker 1: Ross's is split safeties, don't let them hit shots down
Speaker 1: the field. The Ravens did that more against him, but
Speaker 1: not even fifty percent of the time. He averaged one
Speaker 1: point eight adjusted yards per attempt when they were playing
Speaker 1: in that split safety shell, which is just trying to
Speaker 1: take away the deep pass. So I know Jim Schwartz,
Speaker 1: it's not really his style, but he likes to be
Speaker 1: aggressive and try to take away the middle. To feel
Speaker 1: all this stuff like that that wouldn't necessarily work against
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4: I have avert the plan just you know. I know
Speaker 4: it's an easier way, easier me saying it than actually
Speaker 4: doing it. But take what you normally do very very
Speaker 4: well if you're Jim Schwartz, and then simply invert it
Speaker 4: and bring as much pressure as you possibly can.
Speaker 2: I try to check out the local coverage to see
Speaker 2: what's going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's what's going on? What are the streets saying?
Speaker 1: Zac Jackson? I believe athletic. He said on his podcast.
Speaker 1: He got to keep an eye on Kevin's the fancy
Speaker 1: of getting fired out after this game? Whoa Now he
Speaker 1: didn't say that exactly, but he just he said it
Speaker 1: in a way that you knew that's what he was saying.
Speaker 1: That six out of the last seven Browns coaches have
Speaker 1: been fired after a Steelers loss. Now that's no statically
Speaker 1: that that seems more circumstantial, but a handful of them
Speaker 1: have been under this ownership.
Speaker 3: On that side again, write down seven last.
Speaker 2: Browns, Yeah, coaches fired after.
Speaker 1: Now they do play again later in the season, maybe
Speaker 1: that would be a more likely spot. The thing he
Speaker 1: pointed out, which I think was really well said, was literally,
Speaker 1: no one knows what ownership is thinking there, no one.
Speaker 2: No one's talking. That's clear, like no, but no one knows,
Speaker 2: like no one's in contact with them. No one knows.
Speaker 2: And so to talk.
Speaker 1: To talk about what's next for the Browns in terms
Speaker 1: of their path forward, for instance, you kind of have
Speaker 1: to find out first is Andrew Berry going to be there,
Speaker 1: the guy who put this aging most expensive roster in
Speaker 1: NFL history together? Like does he lose his job because
Speaker 1: of that? Because if he's not there, then like what
Speaker 1: are we even talking about? You have to find out
Speaker 1: it's Kevin Stefanski going to be there? He might be
Speaker 1: on the hot seat now even though he just got
Speaker 1: a contract extension. This is what happens when when things
Speaker 1: are like this ugly two and eight losing by twenty
Speaker 1: one to Risball, and on the and.
Speaker 4: On the other side of things, Yeah, Mike Tomlin and
Speaker 4: Art Smith and you know, this is an example Russell Wilson, Like,
Speaker 4: this is an example of a team that and a
Speaker 4: head coach that was not okay with status quo anymore,
Speaker 4: who has made decisions this year to push and to
Speaker 4: really kind of break through that eight and nine or
Speaker 4: nine and eight or we never have a losing season
Speaker 4: sort of meme that we've made out of this and yeah,
Speaker 4: that's been solid, but he wants better than solid. He
Speaker 4: wants to actually take risks and make these decisions that
Speaker 4: put him, you know, out on the limb a little bit.
Speaker 4: And I think that is where you see such a
Speaker 4: contrast between a team that is in literal quicksand right
Speaker 4: now and in its own way at every turn because
Speaker 4: of the decisions that it made, and then this Mike
Speaker 4: Tomlin team that we think about as like this steel
Speaker 4: like sluggish behemoth just like moving down the street.
Speaker 3: Are you talking about Ben Roethlis.
Speaker 4: It's like this team that's just like, yeah, it's sixteen
Speaker 4: points and if you score seventeen, you'll beat him, But
Speaker 4: good luck score in seventeen. And sometimes that's true still
Speaker 4: with this group. Yeah, but they're not that Ethos anymore.
Speaker 4: They've taken enough risks, I think, to really make themselves
Speaker 4: into this complete team that is dangerous in every phase.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're absolutely contenders to be the one seed in
Speaker 1: the AFC at this point. I know the schedule is hard,
Speaker 1: but they keep beating the bad the good teams on
Speaker 1: their schedule to this point, so unexpected. Yeah, Hayward, I
Speaker 1: think maybe is like a under the radar Defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year candidate John Ledyard, who I really like
Speaker 1: a lot through that out there that he thinks like
Speaker 1: he's been a better player than TJ.
Speaker 2: Watt.
Speaker 1: On balance, Cam Hayward has been fantastic. Keep an eye
Speaker 1: on if they use Justin Fields a little more maybe
Speaker 1: in the red zone. They are They are thirtieth in
Speaker 1: the NFL in the red zone this year. Now, a
Speaker 1: lot of that was with Justin Fields, but his numbers
Speaker 1: were much better than Russell Wilson's, and it would make
Speaker 1: sense why Russell Wilson is throwing. He's completing twenty nine
Speaker 1: percent of his passes in the red zone, and you
Speaker 1: have this running quarterback.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be afraid. He doesn't live in his fears
Speaker 2: like a lot of these teams.
Speaker 1: There's an alternate universe where we're doing the do over
Speaker 1: for teams under five hundred segment and the Steelers are
Speaker 1: part of it, and we say they shouldn't have stuck
Speaker 1: with Kenny Pickett another year. I know you gave him
Speaker 1: a first round, you picked him in the first round,
Speaker 1: but you got to know when to evaluate your own roster.
Speaker 2: They didn't. They traded him to the Eagles for a
Speaker 2: bag of donuts. All right.
Speaker 1: That was this week's TNF preview, presented by Prime Video.
Speaker 1: Be sure to watch the Pittsburgh Steelers take on the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns this Thursday on Prime Video.
Speaker 3: That point about using justin fields makes so much sense too,
Speaker 3: because of what Taysom Hill just did against the Browns
Speaker 3: last week.
Speaker 4: Hey, we'll take he's the.
Speaker 1: Television professional collbody.
Speaker 4: You should just throw your micro set.
Speaker 1: That really is right, Let's go, We're not beating there.
Speaker 1: Play the music goodbye. As always, one of my favorite
Speaker 1: days of the week, Benny with you two.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned.
Speaker 1: Previous show, Patrick Claibhand Steve Weish on Wednesday. We'll see
Speaker 1: you then when when we're all knowing and yes, when
Speaker 1: we're tutelaging.
Speaker 2: You know football is back.
Speaker 3: Bye,