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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where our Tuesday show is unofficially

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Speaker 1: sponsored by the New York Jets.

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Speaker 2: Sure, I'm Greg Rosstal here.

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Speaker 1: The Chris Westling podcast studio, surrounded by my friends Jordan

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Speaker 1: Rodriege of The Athletic and welcoming Colleen Wolf back from overseas.

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Speaker 3: I'm back. Great to see you guys, Great to be.

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Speaker 1: Back representing the great University of Vermont. Where As we

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Speaker 1: were talking before the show, a lot of the stoners

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Speaker 1: from my high school would go to UVM.

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Speaker 2: Good school, cool, fun fact, fun school.

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Speaker 3: I don't even have a Drexel sweatshirt.

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Speaker 2: You should like.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty bad.

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Speaker 2: I guess we'll just get into it.

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Speaker 1: I said it off the top, like the Jets have

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Speaker 1: fired Joe Douglas. They've really kind of hijacked this program.

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Speaker 1: So what's happened on Tuesday? Robert Sally got fired on

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Speaker 1: the Tuesday. Yes, DeVante Adams got traded on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Mike Williams got traded. That he was that was part

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Speaker 1: of the you know, the trade deadline thing. And now yes,

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Speaker 1: they've gotten rid of Joe Douglas after six years.

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Speaker 2: He did have a long run.

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Speaker 1: He had a six year contract I went back and

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Speaker 1: looked when he first signed with them. I was like, wow,

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Speaker 1: did he get a second counter. No, he had a

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Speaker 1: lot of leverage because he was the bell of the

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Speaker 1: GM to B ball, and there was competition, and he

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Speaker 1: got six years out of them, and the Jets went

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Speaker 1: thirty and sixty four in those six seasons. No surprise

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Speaker 1: that this happened. Quite random. It happened this week, Like

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Speaker 1: why now versus another week? It is their bye week,

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Speaker 1: so that would be kind of the obvious, just like

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Speaker 1: practical answer. But yeah, it's it's been a tough time

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Speaker 4: It makes me think that they're initially starting to look

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Speaker 4: at assistant general managers around the league right now as

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Speaker 4: they're sort of combing different candidates and vetting different candidates,

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Speaker 4: because undoubtedly it would get back to Joe Douglas if

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Speaker 4: they were starting to that scouting process for who could

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Speaker 4: potentially take over. I mean, he was on an expiring

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Speaker 4: contract anyway. So I saw a report from dynas Orsini

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Speaker 4: at the Athletic saying they didn't want him to still

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Speaker 4: have this title as they were starting the entire process

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Speaker 4: and wanted to get a jump on the process. But

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Speaker 4: like I mentioned to you guys a couple weeks ago,

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Speaker 4: this makes things very very difficult for their scouting department

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Speaker 4: pre draft in particular, prior to free agency in particular,

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Speaker 4: because this is quite a shakeup for a space that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not surprising at all, but the fact that

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Speaker 3: it's happening on a Tuesday is just nice for the show.

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Speaker 3: I think everything happening on Tuesdays. But yeah, he can't

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Speaker 3: be a lame duck GM in the building while they're

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Speaker 3: conducting interviews. That just would be such a weird, awkward situation.

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Speaker 3: Kind of knew that this was going to come to

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Speaker 3: an end because of his expiring contract because the Jets

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Speaker 3: are in this situation that they're in right now, But

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine being in that building right now. The

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Speaker 3: vibes they're not immaculate.

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Speaker 1: No, they're not good. Phil Savage is the interim GM.

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Speaker 1: You may remember him from running the Browns way back

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Speaker 1: in the day of the Oughts, and then he ran

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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jeremiah and our friend Andrew Ciciliana and just

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Speaker 1: be like, hey, how the senior ball going. Well, we

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Speaker 1: was probably hired by Joe Douglas, so it's probably an

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Speaker 1: interim type of situation. At least they're not making them

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Speaker 1: same mistake they made with Joe Douglas, which was hiring

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Speaker 1: a GM in June, which was totally bizarre back then.

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Speaker 1: They have messed up their hiring cycle so many times,

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Speaker 1: and I just keep hammering it's the clearest, most obvious

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Speaker 1: thing you can do as ownership, which is hire the

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Speaker 1: and they were absolutely awful that first year. I think

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Speaker 1: put that on Joe Douglas's record. He didn't even dreass

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Speaker 1: and that's absolutely fair. But it's also fair to point

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Speaker 1: out Joe Douglas came in there day one. He's a

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Speaker 4: Dude, and he's a nice guy.

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Speaker 1: He's a nice guy with a lot of friends in

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Speaker 1: the media. Must be said, which I think is insulated.

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Speaker 3: I remember him on the field when the Eagles won

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl because he was with them at that time,

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Speaker 1: That you have to be graded on what your intent is,

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Speaker 1: what you say your intent is, and his I remember

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Speaker 1: his opening press conference and throughout his time with the Jets,

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Speaker 1: he said, we're going to be a team that builds

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Speaker 1: basically like the Eagles. We are going to build up front.

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Speaker 1: And he was a man of his word in that

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Speaker 1: he put a ton of resources into that offensive line

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Speaker 1: year after year after year, a lot of swings, and

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Speaker 1: their original sin was probably not even Zach Wilson. It

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Speaker 1: just didn't happen. I think that's a very difficult job,

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Speaker 1: because no GM has succeeded there in the last twenty years.

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Speaker 3: But I go ahead, No, the twenty twenty two draft

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Speaker 3: class was fantastic. Yes, that at least to hang his

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Speaker 4: But the GM also has an enormous amount of say

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Speaker 4: an enormous amount of voice when it comes to head

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Speaker 4: coaching higher quarterback, and those two things, clearly because of

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Speaker 4: the shakeups we've seen, are just not areas where the

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Speaker 4: Jets have been able to all be on a congruent

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Speaker 2: But certainly, yeah, how's firing Robert Sala worked out for you?

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Speaker 1: Not that I think they would be in much better shape,

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Speaker 3: I that was how long ago?

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Speaker 2: Was that?

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Speaker 3: Was that six weeks ago?

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Speaker 4: Seventeen years?

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Speaker 3: Actually it feels like that seventeen decades ago.

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Speaker 1: You know what their record was at the time. Two

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Speaker 1: It'll be an interesting hire. Some speculation that Woody Johnson

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Speaker 4: Giving him a project a fresh start.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean like allowing the owner of the team

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Speaker 1: to make those crucial next hires before that happens before

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Speaker 1: it's probably going to be Woody Johnson's hires to make.

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Speaker 1: We'll find out the GM, the coach, and yes, the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers said publicly kind of that he was planning

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Speaker 1: which I did not expect coming into this season.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think so right well.

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Speaker 4: That person, it's not just because you fired the GM.

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Speaker 4: That person is not just going to be paired with

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Speaker 4: right culture builders together. We've seen really successful teams the

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Speaker 4: to really think about your entire language of your building,

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Speaker 4: personnel department. Like this is such an enormous job that

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Speaker 4: goes so far beyond the surface of yes, they need

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Speaker 4: a new head coach now and a new GM.

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Speaker 3: It's a long to do list.

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Speaker 1: It is, and I'm glad you brought that up. We're

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Speaker 1: going to be doing some do overs.

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Speaker 4: Nice segue guys.

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Speaker 1: And the Jets are one of those, but let's still

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Speaker 1: I really can't imagine. Aaron Rodgers actually, like the lukewarmest

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Speaker 1: He's just not good, and he's and everything else that

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Speaker 1: he's not like he's playing almost to avoid injury, it

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Speaker 1: feels like. And everything that comes along with Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: the fact of who the play caller is and everything

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Speaker 1: like that. So let's introduce the segment do overs for

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Speaker 1: thing over, Jordan. You came up with this, so a

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Speaker 1: lot of pressure on you this segment. You're excited. It

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Speaker 3: I have a question to do overhere. You start though,

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Speaker 3: what made you think of this? What sparked this? Was

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Speaker 4: Just you know, my life mostly like you know, self

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Speaker 4: scouting constantly, you know, picking up the wrong can of

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Speaker 3: People have been there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so what we're gonna do is we're going

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Speaker 2: We will get to the TNF preview.

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Speaker 1: By the way, at the end of the show, Steelers

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Speaker 1: You introduce what the one do over is, maybe suggest

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Speaker 1: The decision, oh god, the decision was having a different

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what I have written down.

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Speaker 1: Need to be coached, not just here. Run the show,

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Speaker 3: I mean the fact that they didn't have a new

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Speaker 3: And that's my worst nightmare. So I am so sorry,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the telling of the truth was what got him

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Speaker 1: Not always, but sometimes it's been. Or did this not

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Speaker 4: What do you say? A one like a rib or

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Speaker 3: You got jizzy, I don't know anything. Your heart started racing.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're five and six. You're Indianapolis Colts.

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Speaker 3: I love the cult.

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Speaker 4: Still.

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Speaker 1: They do have the lines this week, but after that's

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Speaker 4: Colleen got the Dolphins, Jordan, I've got the Miami Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: Right like they had him in the building Skyler Thompson

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Speaker 2: To drop that.

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Speaker 3: That's exciting. Yeah, they went one in three in games

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Speaker 4: According to the Athletics model, they still have a twenty

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Speaker 3: Okay, playoffs.

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Speaker 3: I won't know what the Bengals is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna look that up for you right now, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Going back in time. I'm going back to letting Jesse

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Speaker 3: That's a great one.

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Speaker 1: Because it speaks to a larger problem that I also

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Speaker 1: They obviously didn't. They believed it's this lou Ana Roumo scheme.

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Speaker 2: Pay your players early.

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Speaker 4: I agree one with this decision, this do over that

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Speaker 1: One thing I want to do, and it's tough in

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Speaker 3: You have eighteen.

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Speaker 3: I love that, man. I kind of want to call

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Speaker 3: Adams or AJ Brown. I mean just thinking about different

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Speaker 3: trades that have gone on, but surely they could have

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Speaker 3: gotten something more than just a comp pick here. And

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Speaker 3: when you look at their wins that they have, I mean,

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Speaker 3: some people are still kind of giving them the benefit

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Speaker 3: of the doubt the season, but there are four wins

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Speaker 3: are against the Panthers, the Giants, the Browns, and the Raiders. Wah,

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Speaker 3: so they are combined nine to thirty one this season.

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Speaker 4: And they can't close close games that they can't close.

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Speaker 2: I know it's all against these good teams. Man, I've

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Speaker 2: been hammering.

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Speaker 3: We only have Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 1: There is there is just some like loser like Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow and Jamar Chase and these teams. And they're a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl team. They are obviously outstanding players and they

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Speaker 1: will be in the future. But there's something about the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Bengals.

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Speaker 2: That just have bad juju, bad vibes.

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Speaker 1: And I think maybe it started with that Jamar Chase

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Speaker 1: bringing it back around. Nice good use of your honking

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Speaker 1: time out. All right, let's go to the Browns, their

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Speaker 1: division rivals. We'll be talking about them a little on

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Speaker 1: the TENF preview.

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Speaker 3: But Colleen, Okay, this is tough because I didn't know

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Speaker 3: that we could go back beyond this offseason.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I did it either, but I

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Speaker 2: did so I knew. Just kidding.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, we didn't tell you guys.

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Speaker 3: Sean Watson is the biggest mistake and that should be

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Speaker 3: the do over. But they couldn't. Just thinking about this season,

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Speaker 3: It's not like they could have benched him this season

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Speaker 3: because of the contract, so potentially moving on from Alex

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Speaker 3: van Pelt and Joe Flacco is a duo. Now Flacco

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Speaker 3: knows diving with the Colts kind of deep sixes that

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Speaker 3: argument a bit. If he didn't, that would be lovely

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Speaker 3: right now. But I think Kevin Stefanski probably should have

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Speaker 3: handed over the play calling duties a little bit earlier

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Speaker 3: to Ken Dorsey. Dorsey started calling the plays when Jamis

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Speaker 3: Winston started. It's been a mixed bag since. I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure that that would have made a whole difference with

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Speaker 3: Ken Dorsey calling plays for Deshaun Watson had Deshaun Watson

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Speaker 3: not been hurt. But maybe that is something that they

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Speaker 3: should have done.

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Speaker 1: It's funny how many of these stuff scouting because I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't disagree with you. I thought about what would be

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Speaker 1: mine for the Browns. Yeah, there's no great answer.

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Speaker 3: I had such a hard time with this one.

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Speaker 1: But benching Deshaun Watson before this season even started, like

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Speaker 1: cutting him, I think that was their only chance. I

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Speaker 1: think their decision to stand by Deshad was And you

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Speaker 1: can say they didn't have a choice. Maybe they didn't

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Speaker 1: maybe own maybe they didn't but that was their only chance,

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Speaker 1: because I think sticking with him is going to cost everyone,

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Speaker 1: not just this season, but maybe everyone there.

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Speaker 3: I think the coaching staff would probably agree with you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, think about it would have.

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Speaker 2: Been bold, but it also would have been it would

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Speaker 2: have made sense.

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Speaker 4: I was thinking about this the other day. If if

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Speaker 4: they move on, potentially from the coaching staff and then

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Speaker 4: maybe potentially from the front office, if they clean house.

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Speaker 4: Imagine if you just eat the significant exorbitant amount of

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Speaker 4: dead money as an ownership group that you basically placed

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Speaker 4: in escrow in order to sign to Sean Watson, to

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Speaker 4: that guaranteed money in the first place. If you just

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Speaker 4: ate that and then avoided now paying out a coaching extension,

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Speaker 4: now paying out a general manager extent, so much, so

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Speaker 4: much worse.

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Speaker 1: I wish I want to give a path forward for

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Speaker 1: the Browns. Maybe in the TNF preview, let's talk about

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Speaker 1: the Patriots. Jordan, your favorite team.

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Speaker 4: Okay. I crowdsourced this one to Chad Graf, my college

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Speaker 4: the athletic, who does excellent bring the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: Why Bill Smith dunked on the Bengals. He's a researcher

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Speaker 3: here shout out to Bill.

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Speaker 4: Jo Bill and so he had a great suggestion. We

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Speaker 4: went back and forth on a couple of suggestions. His

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Speaker 4: great one was draft Lad McConkey at number thirty four

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Speaker 4: instead of Jalen Polk at number thirty seven. The Patriots

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Speaker 4: traded back with the Chargers after Kean Coleman went first

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Speaker 4: in the second round, the Chargers got Lad, Pats went

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Speaker 4: for Polk, and I watched in person this last weekend.

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Speaker 4: Drake may play in arguably his best game of the season,

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Speaker 4: one of the better games from any rookie quarterback this

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Speaker 4: year so far. And in part they got him going

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Speaker 4: and really got him into a groove with this offense

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Speaker 4: by getting quick throws in space, guys getting open quickly,

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Speaker 4: and then him putting it on him right in the

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Speaker 4: right spot at the right time, and then where they

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Speaker 4: could get a few more yards. My first thought when

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Speaker 4: Chad brought this up was, Wow, a perfect fit for

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Speaker 4: a rookie quarterback who gets into a rhythm very quickly.

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Speaker 4: If that timing and tempo is inserted into an offense.

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Speaker 4: Are receivers who can get open. Lad mcconkey's tied in

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Speaker 4: seventh among rookie wide receivers right now, with a minimum

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Speaker 4: of one hundred and fifty routes with two point nine

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Speaker 4: yards per separation. Jalen Polk is last.

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Speaker 3: When I see Maconkeye, all I can see is how

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Speaker 3: big his helmet looks on his head. And I was

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Speaker 3: wondering if he was wearing a Guardian cap or not.

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Speaker 3: But no, it's just because it's just to scale, which

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Speaker 3: is just proportions are.

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Speaker 1: He's like his head is small or I think he's

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Speaker 1: a Kyler Murray thing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, It's so crazy that Chad brought this up because

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Speaker 1: I've thought about this. What a disastrous pick, This Jalen

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Speaker 1: Polk pick has been so far in that Lad mcconkeye

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Speaker 1: was the name there that they were kind of tied

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Speaker 1: to because it would make sense also because Patriots fans

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Speaker 1: are just traumatized by terrible wide receiver picks and they're

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Speaker 1: all almost all in the second round. Like Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: just could not other than Dean Branch not draft a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: Taekwon Thorton released this week.

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Speaker 4: You want to take a honk time out? No, I

556
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Speaker 4: wanted to see you up for your for your team.

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Speaker 4: You're all the way back.

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Speaker 2: I'm not all the way back. All right, let's take

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Speaker 2: a honk time out. Oh wow, twist his arm, let

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Speaker 2: not save it. Well, you've been getting on me about like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you're all the way back.

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Speaker 4: They've they've found the quarterback all the way back.

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Speaker 1: Like this week for instance, when I assigned we assign

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Speaker 1: out the games on Sundays, who's going to cover watch? Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to watch them every week. I don't

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Speaker 1: want that to be the only thing that I'm watching live.

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Speaker 1: But I thought Drake May before they even draft him.

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Speaker 1: Coming into the draft, I was like, this is the

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Speaker 1: prospect I'm as excited about along with Caleb as like

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Speaker 1: any quarterback since like Andrew luck Base and the Patriots

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Speaker 1: drafted him.

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Speaker 2: So of course I'm gonna be into that.

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Speaker 4: I have. I was texting you during the game. I

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Speaker 4: was very happy for you. He was outstanding. They've they've

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Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen, They've got him.

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Speaker 1: I And this is how I know I'm not like

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Speaker 1: the same as like some fa and would fee feeling

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Speaker 1: out there because I've listened to Patriots podcast. Tom Curran

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Speaker 1: has a great one, our friend, and of course they're

580
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Speaker 1: talking about the team and the season and the disappointments

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Speaker 1: and the loss, and it's just like none of this matters.

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Speaker 1: Like watching that game, I could have cared less that

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Speaker 1: they lost. I've never had that experience as a fan

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Speaker 1: where it's like, literally, the only thing that matters from

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Speaker 1: this season is did you just get yourself a franchise

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Speaker 1: quarterback or not? And every week it's like, oh, yes

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Speaker 1: you did, Oh yes you did, Oh yes you did.

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Speaker 1: And it's even more and more like I thought that

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Speaker 1: was the best game the Patriots have had since Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady retired, because it's like, yes, he's definitely even I'm

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Speaker 1: even more convinced now that he's the guy, so I

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Speaker 1: could care less. I don't have much faith this talent.

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Speaker 1: The talent on this roster is terrible. I don't know

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Speaker 1: about the coaching staff, but like he is the only

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Speaker 1: thing that matters.

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Speaker 4: This thing they really got right in pairing with him

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Speaker 4: was Alex Van Pelt, who is as a as I'm

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Speaker 4: just saying, great for a young quarterback, as a presence,

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Speaker 4: as a person spend some time around him at combines,

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Speaker 4: pass and just as a person who's going to be

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Speaker 4: there for the quarterback as somebody who you can go

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Speaker 4: to you feel comfortable with like, I just I think

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Speaker 4: that's the right pairing for for this point in Drake Mason.

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Speaker 2: They looked the way better last co week.

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Speaker 3: And Drake May paved the way for Jacoby Brissette to

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Speaker 3: have the progressive commercial that he has right now and

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Speaker 3: love I haven't seen the yet so funny they're doing passes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen them, seen the Dobbs, I've seen the

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Speaker 1: case Keenum. I'm looking forward to one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: campaign and it is crazy. No player in the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four draft has been less what they were advertised

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Speaker 1: to be than Jalen Polk. Like if you just go

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Speaker 1: actually like read what people were expecting of him in

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Speaker 1: terms of just like dependable, like like maybe a low ceiling,

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Speaker 1: but a really high floor, like great locker room guy,

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Speaker 1: like does all the little things in detail. It's been

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Speaker 1: the complete opposite, total fiasco. Maybe it's just a bad

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Speaker 1: rookie year. All right, let's go to Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: it's me talking again. No it's not, it's the Bears

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Speaker 1: and Colleen. Let's go to give it the Jets.

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Speaker 3: All right, here we go, Bears, Hiar Shane Waldron. This

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Speaker 3: feels like a place that they could have had a

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Speaker 3: do over. I mean when they fired him, the Bears

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Speaker 3: were twenty fourth in points per game, thirtieth in yards

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Speaker 3: per game, thirty first and yards per play. I know

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Speaker 3: that they have a rookie quarterback who is just getting

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Speaker 3: used to everything, but that could be one thing. Honestly

628
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Speaker 3: drafting real Madouonza, though, and not taking a tackle feels

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Speaker 3: like the way they should have gone here. Their offensive line,

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Speaker 3: the issues are obviously bad. Caleb has taken the most

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Speaker 3: sacks in the league this season, and left tackle Braxton

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Speaker 3: Jones has allowed the highest pressure rate of any left

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Speaker 3: tackle in the entire NFL. Yeah. The three tackles too,

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Speaker 3: that were picked after Rome Madoonza, Forshanu for the Jets,

635
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Speaker 3: Fuaga for the Saints, and Mims for the Bengals all

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Speaker 3: have pressure rates allowed below ten so far this season.

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Speaker 2: Good good research, good pull.

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Speaker 4: Good pull. Yeah, this is actually how I came up

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Speaker 4: for this segment idea. I've made this stupid life joke earlier,

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Speaker 4: but this was the bean it wasn't I do. I

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Speaker 4: do like beans on toast, by.

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Speaker 3: The way, but kind of beans on the blue.

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Speaker 4: Can hines, like the British baked beans on sour like

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Speaker 4: the brown beans, like baked beans. Colleen, that's I know,

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Speaker 4: it's a weird thing that I that I will, Okay.

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Speaker 4: So they had Zach Robinson in their building and they

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Speaker 4: picked Shane Waldron over him. That was how I came

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Speaker 4: up with this because I.

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Speaker 1: Interviewed Liam Cohen, who's killing it. They interviewed Cliff Kingsbury,

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Speaker 1: who I wouldn't have been in favor of that at

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Speaker 1: the time, but he's doing pretty well.

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Speaker 4: So that was when I came up with du The

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Speaker 4: do over was like, yeah, you could have you could

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Speaker 4: have really done that one over.

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Speaker 1: I thought Waldron was getting too much blame. And then

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Speaker 1: they come out against the Packers and we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: it more on the previous show, but they were a

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Speaker 1: totally different offense. Caleb looked awesome. That was one of

659
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Speaker 1: the best games and that energy year.

660
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 4: The energy, the vibes were really good. Talking to a

661
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Speaker 4: couple of people in the building, you heard that players

662
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 4: reached out to Thomas Brown about the energy specifically improving.

663
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's pretty significant.

664
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Speaker 1: Yeah, anymore and that would give you a technical honking

665
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: time out foul.

666
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Speaker 4: I'm saving my revers I'm reverse.

667
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 3: Mcbang that the baked beans on toast recipe that I

668
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 3: just pulled up actually looks pretty good me.

669
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, that's our homework assignment for next week before

670
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving Tuesday show. Let's take a quick break and

671
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: then we will finish up doing the duovers with teams

672
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Speaker 1: under five hundred.

673
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Speaker 2: Just one thing, do it?

674
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: Okay, back on your beans on toast headquarters here.

675
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sour though, podcast. I guess it makes sense

676
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: because bean's good. I think bread good.

677
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously it's gonna be.

678
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: Good, like what's not good on toast more or less.

679
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd go out of my way.

680
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 4: To do it, but uh, it's it's comfort.

681
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: I would have it's warm.

682
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: I usually do towards.

683
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 4: Good for your gut health, sourdough, bread and beans, you know. Yeah,

684
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 4: that health time of year for people. You know.

685
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you know about sauerkraut?

686
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: Wait?

687
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: Why is it a big gut health time year? Isn't

688
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: it always a gut health time year?

689
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving? Thanks okay, just to get ready.

690
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 4: For it, clean everything out, take everything in.

691
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

692
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: Speaking of overseas delicacies, Colleen is coming back here from Germany. Yes,

693
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Speaker 1: we have not spoken. We have not at length. I

694
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: mean some texts, but not not really like big picture.

695
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: How was Germany?

696
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: It was so much fun, and it was so great

697
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: to see Joe Thomas for the first time in a while.

698
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: I think actually it might be the first time I've

699
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: seen him since he was inducted into the Hall of Fame.

700
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: And we were there for his whole shindig, so that

701
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 3: was really great. He took me. He was living in

702
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: Munich for nine months and so he took me around

703
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 3: and showed me all these things. He was coaching the

704
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: offensive line for one of the German teams over there.

705
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: So did he bring his whole family over there? He must?

706
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: He brought the entire operation over there. They all live there,

707
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 3: has four kids, young kids. Like what an adventure that

708
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: they had. They went all over the place, to South

709
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 3: Africa and did so many cool things. So he showed

710
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: me all of the spots that they went to, took

711
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: me to the Austrian border, saw the Alps. But one

712
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: of my favorite parts of the entire trip was after

713
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 3: the game had ended. There's like usually a little get together,

714
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: a gathering of everyone that's involved from the league and

715
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: the production and everything. So myself and Sarah Walsh thought

716
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: it would be a perfect time to pitch a table

717
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: of SVPs on a new platform that we think would

718
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: be a really good hit called NFL Minus. And we

719
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: you know, everyone's trying to do more. I think we

720
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 3: need to pivot and do less. More is less, like

721
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 3: less is more. It all works together and you know,

722
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: we'll see if it has a future. As one of

723
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: the SVPs pointed out, we would be the first in

724
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Speaker 3: the minus space.

725
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 4: That's that's a great point and break innovation.

726
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: How many beers deep?

727
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 3: Was this many? Many? Many?

728
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: Like I want to yeah, I do want to think

729
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: about what the content plan would be not much, Yeah.

730
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: So it doesn't take a whole lot of resources.

731
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Speaker 1: NFL Minus coming to like an NFL daily plug near you.

732
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm excited for that, and the off season seems like

733
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: the perfect time to launch a little NFL Minus was

734
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: fun seeing you over there. Let's let's talk about these teams.

735
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: So we've gone through about half of them. We're going

736
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: to go through the other half here. We're doing one

737
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: do over for these teams that are under five hundred

738
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: and hopefully providing a path forward. You are up next,

739
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: Jordan with the Jaguars.

740
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 4: All right, where to pick? Where to pick?

741
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man got him out a good time.

742
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 4: The year is twenty twenty two. The Jaguars hired Doug

743
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 4: Peterson on February third as one particular candidate for that

744
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 4: year's hiring cycle. Continued to prepare for the Super Bowl.

745
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: Doug Peterson went on to lead the Jaguars to a

746
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five record over the next three years. Penn

747
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 4: the next couple weeks maybe do over. Fast forward to

748
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, where the Kevin O'Connell led Jacksonville Jaguars

749
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 4: were streaking toward the postseason. Trevor Lawrence gets better every week,

750
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 4: led by the ultra empathetic, ultra bright quarterback whisper himself O'Connell.

751
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 4: Hill brings Brian Flores to Jacksonville with him, and Flores

752
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 4: brings his defense, altering veteran players unrealized offensive potential is

753
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 4: finally realized. Kevin and Trevor do peyton sip classes together

754
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 4: with their wives the end in the off season.

755
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 3: Oh my god, the super empathetic.

756
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: Is got me. He's like handsome you know what he do?

757
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: He is great.

758
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 4: He's a quarterback.

759
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: Whisperer.

760
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 4: He really reached Trevor.

761
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: You know, did they interview O'Connell do you happen to

762
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: know or No?

763
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 4: I don't think they did.

764
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

765
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: This team, they we got on them on Sunday when

766
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: I assumed that Doug Peterson was going to be fired.

767
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: He has not been fired yet.

768
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 3: I hate this watch. I hate waiting for it.

769
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: I hate the like Belichick is interest in it. Are

770
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: we just going to get that with every team that's

771
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: coming up? Just it's almost like Doug Peterson wants to

772
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: get fired and they like they won't let him get fired. Like,

773
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't even know what's happening.

774
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: He's just hostage there.

775
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I think he knows the score,

776
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: like he's been around, he knows it's going to happen,

777
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: and he's just kind of waiting for it.

778
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 4: That's this time of year, though, you know, That's what

779
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 4: goes on behind the scenes in these hiring cycles is

780
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 4: you know, in September October, coaches who are either free

781
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 4: agents or potentially upcoming coaches start to get put together staff,

782
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 4: staff ideas and really start to circle. Like you know,

783
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 4: Vulture a little bit over potential opening. So that's why

784
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 4: you're seeing this come out now.

785
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: Better, better opportunity than they're in Jacksonville. I actually think

786
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: there's good players. Brian Thomas Junior treatmon Walker's turning into

787
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: pretty good. Like they have used your time out, they

788
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: have players. I'm just saying that that's a better job

789
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 1: than other ones I think would be attracted, especially for gms.

790
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 4: I'm going to you wanted to give me a technical before, and.

791
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: That was like the same amount of time Titans start

792
00:36:59,719 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: the call.

793
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 3: Schools are a little different for Greg.

794
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: They are.

795
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: Here's where we're going to go back in time to

796
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: the moment that you sided with ran Carthon in a

797
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: power struggle.

798
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 2: Between Mike Rabel, you know what I mean.

799
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: Like not that ran Carthon was necessarily the wrong side,

800
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: but when the power struggle is happening in your building,

801
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: just get rid of it or or not, Like, don't

802
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: just pick the side that makes more sense to you,

803
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: because again, just like the Jets have done over the years,

804
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: the two sides are not necessarily aligned. What was ran

805
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: Carthon's big plan this offseason? Spend a lot of money

806
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: on this defense. Let's get lugerious sneed, let's get Chadobi

807
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: a Wuozi. They did not act like a team that

808
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: was sort of building from scratch. I don't know what

809
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: it had to do with the Brian Callahan as coach,

810
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, model moving forward, you got to get Callahan

811
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: a quarterback, and look, this is his coach, so these

812
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: two have to make it work together.

813
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: But I just don't like one minute choosing with one.

814
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: Side of a pretty nasty power struggle, because that's just

815
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: like dating someone who you started dating them when they're

816
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: cheating on their spouse. It's like, there's probably going to

817
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: be more power struggles, you know what I mean, It's

818
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: probably going to be more messin iness.

819
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was already a red flag, Yes, so there

820
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 4: would be I think is what you meant to say

821
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 4: that there will be some red flags down the line.

822
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 4: At that point, Mike Rabel is probably going to get

823
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 4: hired as a head coach this year, and so I

824
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 4: think in fairness to Brian Callahan, kind of like how

825
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 4: we talk about with quarterbacks, you don't really know necessarily

826
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 4: what you've got. If a quarterback has like a tattered

827
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 4: offensive line or a tattered receiving corps or whatever, or

828
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 4: maybe a subpar coordinator. With offensive coordinators, you don't really

829
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 4: know what you've got until he's got an actual quarterback

830
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 4: to work with.

831
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Speaker 3: So are you suggesting that they should have fired brand

832
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 3: too at the same time, just like blow it all up?

833
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: Or yeah, because.

834
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about Trent Balky in Jacksonville since we were

835
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 3: just talking about that. I just all the rumors that

836
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: were swirling before Doug Peterson was hired.

837
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: Right, It's like rand Carthun was there for a couple

838
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: of years, So this team isn't really totally his team

839
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: because it was kind of Mike Rabel's team and then

840
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: you side with it.

841
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 2: Now it's not totally Brian Kellen.

842
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: It's just it's no one's incongruous, that's right, Yes, Cowboys, Colleen.

843
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 5: Truly so many directions that we could go in, Charlie. Honestly,

844
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 5: I mean paying Deck and Cede Lamb, not firing McCarthy

845
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 5: and swapping for Bill Belichick, which I feel like that

846
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 5: would be a huge spot for Bill Belichick to be

847
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 5: the Cowboys head coach. But not investing in the run

848
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 5: game is it feels boring, But that is the winner

849
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 5: for me. I mean, when you obviously we know from

850
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 5: watching the game the numbers are really bad, so I

851
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 5: won't go into those again. But the group of running

852
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 5: backs that were available last.

853
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: Off season, are you kidding me? Makes this so much worse.

854
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 3: You had Saquon Barkley, Josh Jacobs, Derrick Henry, DeAndre Swift,

855
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 3: Tony Popp, Austin Eckler, Aaron Jones, JK. Dobbins who just

856
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 3: won the game for the Chargers. There were so many

857
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,959
Speaker 3: talented running backs, and I'm almost already rolling my eyes

858
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 3: at the people who are bringing back the argument that,

859
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 3: oh my god, so I guess running backs are important now,

860
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: but they were always important. This was always something that

861
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 3: needed to be done, especially in Dallas. And I would

862
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 3: give an honorable mention to the hiring of Mike Zimmer

863
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 3: as dan Quinn's replacement. The Cowboys are allowing twenty nine

864
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 3: points per game. Only the Panthers are worse. They've completely

865
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: fallen apart at home thirty seven point four points per game,

866
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 3: the worst home points per game allowed by any team

867
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Speaker 3: in an entire season in NFL history. It's never been worse.

868
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Speaker 3: I mean, you have, obviously the injuries that play into this.

869
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: Michael Parsons and Doron Bland and DeMarcus Lawrence. But this

870
00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: feels like a systemic situation that could have made be

871
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 3: gone a different direction had they figured that out from

872
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: the top.

873
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's doing.

874
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: If you were going to give them that money, give

875
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: it to them earlier and not have it cast up

876
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: Paul over the whole season, and then maybe you could

877
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: have freed up the money for free agency the coach

878
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: in the last year of his contract. There's a reason

879
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: why teams don't do that. Yeah, yeah, this is the reason.

880
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to call a honk time out. Oh, raw,

881
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 4: I'm going to.

882
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 3: Talk about the roof falling there.

883
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 4: Well, I want to go back to it. Well, I

884
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 4: would love to, because I just am baffled by all

885
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 4: of the architectural decisions over there, team building and otherwise. Colleen,

886
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 4: I love that you brought up the run game on

887
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 4: this because I agree with you because in a season

888
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 4: where let's say all of this other stuff was gonna

889
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 4: happen anyway, you have a lame duck head coach who

890
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 4: just sinks deeper into misery on the sideline, you have

891
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 4: players there. Now you're in a space with this team

892
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 4: now where you know there are people in the in

893
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 4: the camera truck literally assigned to catch all of the

894
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 4: looks of dismay and discussed and disappointment on the sideline

895
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 4: from Micah Parsons from CD Lamb from Yes.

896
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 2: Sack camera, Oh oh thanks.

897
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people from dak up in up

898
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 4: in the booth like it's it is there at that

899
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 4: point in the season where the sky is literally falling

900
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 4: and could have been seriously hurt somebody because you're and

901
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 4: the stadium is is style over substance where the sun

902
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 4: is in people's eyes, and there are tours that make

903
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 4: people like, look at what the players through a glass

904
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 4: window when they're lifting weights, and it is You're seriously

905
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 4: in this place where it's so style over substance this

906
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 4: year and so glaringly clear. If you had a run game,

907
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 4: you got substance. You have teeth, you have physicality, you

908
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 4: have something that actually proves I am a real football team.

909
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 4: And I know what I'm about. Soun like, this is identity,

910
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 4: not this is not that. This is style points only

911
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 4: and that's why the Cowboys are in dire straits this year.

912
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: Well, that reminds me of the Super Bowl that was

913
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: in Dallas. Do you remember what happened there with that

914
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: stadium that they tried to build an extra seat and

915
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: then it like collapsed or whatever, and they had to

916
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: find I think the statute of limitations is fine. They

917
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: had to find NFL employees to give up their their

918
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: Super Bowl seats. This was all reported by my employer

919
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: at the time Pro Football Talk, So you know they

920
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: had to find like NFL employees to like get give

921
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: up their seats.

922
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to flee this entire part out.

923
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: This is really not controversy.

924
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 4: I love it all used talk time out.

925
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: It really was they do you need a cigarette? All

926
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: right before we move on?

927
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: If you could do it again, I'm not saying if

928
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could do it again, though, that's interesting too.

929
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: Would you give Dak that contract?

930
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 3: I think, knowing where they are, I want to know,

931
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 3: I wanted him trade it.

932
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 4: I want to go somewhere glorious.

933
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: I actually think trading him at that moment in time

934
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: was probably the move for this team, not cutting him

935
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: or anything. Of course, he's Dak Prescott, but yeah, I

936
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: know in Cowboys fans, yeah, but there's cap ramifications. It

937
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: would have been all this dead.

938
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: Heads, like yeah, well, I don't know you messed that up, Bucks, Jordan,

939
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: You're up?

940
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 4: Okay. It's Week seven with a minute four left to

941
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 4: play in Bucks Ravens and after taking a seven yard sack,

942
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield is eyeing a third and seventeen. He throws

943
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 4: a twenty one yard pass up the middle to star

944
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 4: receiver Chris Godwin, who makes the catch but then crumples

945
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 4: to the ground with a brutal ankle injury that will

946
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 4: eventually require surgery and end his season. Do over, it's

947
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 4: Kyle Trask throwing to Jalen McMillan or Sterling Shepherd because

948
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 4: starters were pulled with six minutes and thirty eight seconds

949
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 4: left in the fourth quarter. When Lamar Jackson's touchdown passed

950
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 4: to Derek Henry made it a twenty three point game.

951
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 4: I admired Todd Bowles a lot, one of my favorite

952
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 4: coaches in this league. I understand his response to this

953
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 4: after the game that they were trying to win and

954
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 4: indeed they ripped out two touchdowns in those last few

955
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 4: minutes against the most prevent of a prevent defense as

956
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 4: it gets. And I know that Todd Bowles understands his

957
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 4: players wanted to win and wanted to fight. I also

958
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 4: admire the job that Liam Cohen, Baker Mayfield and a

959
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 4: group on both sides of the ball that has been

960
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 4: decimated by injuries but play so hard every week. I

961
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 4: admire the job that they've done. But if they could

962
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 4: go back and do this again, preventing a gruesome and

963
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 4: horrific injury to one of the best young receivers in

964
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 4: this league, or older but still young receivers in this league,

965
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 4: I bet you they would take that opportunity for a duo.

966
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: And the path forward to me is go win the

967
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: damn thing. And I don't mean like the Super Bowl.

968
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: I mean the NFC South. With their schedule and the

969
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: way the Falcons look, I think they still have a chance.

970
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: I know they don't have the tiebreaker, They're only one

971
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: lost back, there's a lot of weeks to go. They're

972
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: a talented team because I think it might take that

973
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: for Todd Bowles to keep his job. Whether that's fair

974
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: or not, I don't know, but I could see them

975
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,919
Speaker 1: promoting Liam Cohen. I could certainly see them. They seem

976
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: like the most likely Belichick team to me, just because

977
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: of his history with Jason light so a lot on

978
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: the table here for the Bucks down Strep.

979
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 3: I'm looking right now at when Hendon Hooker went in

980
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 3: the game for the Lions, just based on how much

981
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 3: of a blowout game that was over the Jags and

982
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: just the decision that coaches have of when to pull

983
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 3: the guys out of the game, the starters, and how

984
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: you kind of balance that.

985
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: That was a great one. I wanted to have like

986
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: a single play to change as one of mine, and.

987
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 4: That's a great, great, great giving out the assignment so

988
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 4: you could have the power if you wanted.

989
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: I could.

990
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: I just mean, I thank you come up with a

991
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: play or something like that. I mean we we did

992
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: go all Sean McVay and use all of our time

993
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: outs with like waft of the game. I'm doing the

994
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: Saints because you have to just do the obvious that

995
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: DA should have never come back this season, and so

996
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: I think spinning forward for them, it's interesting how much

997
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 1: better they're playing with Darren Rizzy.

998
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: There's a lot more left of the season.

999
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: I could actually see keeping Darren Rizzy if you didn't

1000
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: keep making love Like there's no way they're going to

1001
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: do that, because I think what's gonna this job is

1002
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: going to be so gnarly for any coach to come

1003
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: in that it's they truly have to eat some of

1004
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: these contracts because bringing DA back also just have them

1005
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: kick all these cans down the road even further. People think, oh,

1006
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: this is an older team, like they're stuck with it,

1007
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. It's probably because the moves they made

1008
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: this year. They extended Derek Carr this year, like Kim

1009
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: Kim Jordan and some of the veterans, like they got

1010
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: new contracts this year that just kind of kicked financial

1011
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: pain into the future where they're not gonna be able

1012
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: to get out from under it. So they should have

1013
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: done that earlier. There was no path towards Dennis Allen

1014
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: ever beating.

1015
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 3: Everyone knew that he was a lame Dune coach coming

1016
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 3: into the season, and there were guys out there like Belichick,

1017
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 3: like Rabel that they could have went with. I think

1018
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 3: it's nice that I love coach Riz. That's what everyone

1019
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: calls him. We had him on GMFB one of those

1020
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 3: shows that I did, and he was awesome. He was

1021
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 3: just so fun, so cool. I totally can see why

1022
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: the players are playing the way they are for him.

1023
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 4: With him, I think he's a beans on toast guy.

1024
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 4: Do you think that Mickey Loomis will keep his job? Greg,

1025
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 4: I do genuinely want to know your take on that.

1026
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: I think he will, but I don't should he. No,

1027
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: that's what I mean. You can't.

1028
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: You can't do a restart there without that. Their path forward, though,

1029
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: is pretty simple. I know people like Spencer Ratler and everything,

1030
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: but they got to just keep taking quarterbacks. They got

1031
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: to try to find a couple extra picks and hit

1032
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: on him because it's been a minute since since they

1033
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: did this last class.

1034
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 4: We'll see and what happens with Chris o'lave. I mean,

1035
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 4: I know he's obviously there, but like man that the

1036
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 4: vibes in the protectiveness that you have to whoever comes

1037
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 4: in has to have over that young man.

1038
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 3: This is Greg's second favorite team, and I see the

1039
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 3: pain on his face.

1040
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: It's right.

1041
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1042
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: Are they my second favorite? I don't know.

1043
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 3: I just feel like two lane New Orleans.

1044
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: I got I got quite sick of like the end

1045
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: of the Peyton Breeze era, but I do like them.

1046
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: If they need to get the right coach that can

1047
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: embrace not this old Mickey Loomis Stuff.

1048
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: Panthers, Colleen Man, Okay, like they are.

1049
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 3: They're similar to the Cowboys in that you can go

1050
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 3: in so many different directions. The sky is the limit

1051
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 3: with options here, but just like in a more much

1052
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: more tragic way when you put them one to one

1053
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 3: against the Cowboys. I guess the main one I'd go

1054
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 3: with is they should have started the season I think

1055
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: with Andy Dalton instead of benching Bryce Young, because letting

1056
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 3: him get blown out to start the year just doesn't

1057
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 3: feel like a great way to develop your quarterback and

1058
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 3: his confidence. Obviously, now that he's starting again, his numbers

1059
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: are much better and the Panthers are two and one

1060
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 3: and they're three games back with him, but losing by

1061
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 3: thirty seven week one to the Saints and then twenty

1062
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 3: three by twenty three points week two to the Chargers

1063
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 3: like that, that's not great on a team that already

1064
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 3: has so many issues and they're trying to get his

1065
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: confidence back, especially after last year. I think they just

1066
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 3: should have maybe had a softer landing or transition for

1067
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: him into this year.

1068
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 4: They had a lot of issues already to your point

1069
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 4: on that side of the ball, and I keep coming

1070
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 4: back as well to the reporting and some of the

1071
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 4: buzz and chatter around Giro Everro last season and how

1072
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 4: there were other teams who were sort of circling around

1073
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 4: the Panthers thinking that perhaps this team could let him

1074
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 4: out of the final year on his contract, and they

1075
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 4: did not because they wanted to have to be able

1076
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 4: to fall back on their defense just in case the

1077
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 4: offense still struggled. Well, that was not Dave Canalis is

1078
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 4: higher and so you have a little bit of incongruousness

1079
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 4: his city, right and his quarterbacks, and it wasn't his quarterback.

1080
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 4: So now you're patching all of these different pieces together

1081
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,479
Speaker 4: in different ways, and I think you're Ever's a dang

1082
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 4: good coach at the same time. Getting everything on the

1083
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 4: same page in that building has been such a chore

1084
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 4: over the last several years, and I am curious to

1085
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 4: see if Dave Canalis just decides to go his own

1086
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 4: way over the next year or two years.

1087
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: Some of the things they wanted to do have worked.

1088
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: They do have a running game, the offensive line is better.

1089
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: I have a little bit of hope. I think Bryce's

1090
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: playing better. Giants Jordan only two more to go?

1091
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 4: Where to pick?

1092
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1093
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 4: Where to pick? As stars in the sky. No Giants

1094
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 4: fans will almost assuredly want me to say do over,

1095
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 4: don't let Saquon Barkley out of the building. But I

1096
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 4: like Saquon too much as a person. I'm too happy

1097
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 4: for him and for Colleen to resign him to that fate,

1098
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 4: and I would argue that I truly don't believe he'd

1099
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 4: have this level of success if still in New York,

1100
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 4: with the Giants in their current state, I would call

1101
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 4: a do over on the entire quarterback situation. I would

1102
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 4: have moved on from Daniel Jones, regardless of the financial ramifications.

1103
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 4: You already were going to be drafting and building out

1104
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 4: a young team. You knew Daniel Jones was not going

1105
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 4: to elevate that group. In fact, if you have to

1106
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 4: ask yourself whether your quarterback can actually help your team

1107
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 4: grow up, you have the wrong quarter I would have

1108
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 4: either pushed a trade for a quarterback or drafted one,

1109
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,479
Speaker 4: even if stuck at number six, even if we're talking

1110
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 4: about the present year, because I actually don't hate the idea,

1111
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 4: and I'm sorry this is crazy. I know of bo Nix,

1112
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 4: how he's playing right now, paired with Brian Dable, and

1113
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 4: you have number six. Overall, you're telling me a team

1114
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 4: with an established quarterback is not going to listen to

1115
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 4: you if you have that pick floating around in the ether.

1116
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 3: The theme of this whole entire episode is set your

1117
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 3: ego aside and be able to admit when you're wrong,

1118
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 3: and then that will, you know, provide a path for success.

1119
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 1: I talk too much about the Giants on the Monday

1120
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: Night recap with Shook based on the benching of Danny Dimes,

1121
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: and we promised, actually that I would not talk about

1122
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones again until he was released, and even then

1123
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: it would be just looking forward that we've been over this,

1124
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: this Giants team.

1125
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1126
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 3: Your eye just twitched, did.

1127
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: You see that?

1128
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 4: I do think this also, it does all come back

1129
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 4: to Saquon Barkley in the end, because you remember, guys,

1130
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 4: they tagged him in twenty twenty three and they decided

1131
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 4: to pay Daniel Jones after initially declined to Daniel Jones

1132
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 4: fifth year option and instead of paying Barkley, and that

1133
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 4: was the beginning of the end.

1134
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: It's the fifth year option because if they gave that

1135
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: to him to begin with, ye, that would have been.

1136
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 4: It exact and they would have gotten rid of do over.

1137
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: We got the right two over.

1138
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to wrap up with the Raiders, who to me,

1139
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: are very similar to the Giants conversation that we just had.

1140
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: I think brock Bauers is the best receiving tight end

1141
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: in the NFL right now. I think he likes you know,

1142
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: he's a rookie, but so you don't want to put

1143
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: too much on him, but he looks like a future

1144
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer because he's he's the best. I mean,

1145
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: he's as good a receiving tight end that I've ever seen,

1146
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: because partly because players just get better. I think as

1147
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: the years get on, they get more talented, and he

1148
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: is the newest version of an evolution that's been going

1149
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: on for like twenty years.

1150
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 2: He is that good, like he is all pro now good.

1151
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: And yet I think the move coming into this season

1152
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: is still as good as he is at tight end,

1153
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: as good as Malik Neighbor's going to be at wide receiver.

1154
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: I do think it's trading up and going and getting

1155
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. You could have done it. You could have

1156
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,959
Speaker 1: done it for Petex too, who we heard that they loved.

1157
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: They would have taken Bnicks. According to reports if he

1158
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: had fallen to them, and that's partly why Denver took

1159
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: him at twelve. I believe it was because this season

1160
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 1: now just felt like a big waste of time, didn't

1161
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: really give Antonio Pierce a chance to build something. If

1162
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: Pierce isn't back next year, you're like on four different

1163
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: head coaches getting hired and getting paid by the same team.

1164
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: And tom Brady's maybe gonna want to pick some guy.

1165
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: You could have some quarterback there for tom Brady to

1166
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: go in there and tootle it, tutor like.

1167
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 3: That's a show what tom Brady's gonna do.

1168
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: Well, we've got a tutelage, he's got a tootage.

1169
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 4: He's mind on the beans.

1170
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's how it works. Yeah.

1171
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1172
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 3: The Raiders are a disaster. They've been a disaster though,

1173
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 3: it feels like for a while. And just the shot

1174
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 3: of Max Crosby at the end of that game last week,

1175
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys saw it, but I did,

1176
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 3: just pure dejection.

1177
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: Poor Raiders fans. They are so loyal, they're such good fans.

1178
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 4: They really are. They travel and they've.

1179
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: Just been giving nothing back and this team they're not

1180
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: even interesting. Well, I'll give you brock Bowers. He is interesting.

1181
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 4: Time to come.

1182
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: You have a foundation piece with Max Crosby. All right,

1183
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: that's it for all the duovers for the team's under

1184
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: five hundred. That was fun, Jordan, good idea. We're gonna

1185
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: wrap up the show with a little t enough preview

1186
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: after the bleak back on NFL Daily where yes, Tom

1187
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: Brady was gonna tutelage.

1188
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: A quarterback.

1189
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 4: He said he's gonna tootle him.

1190
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: Sounds Greg Craig, Sorry I did. I did the thing

1191
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: where I called a crag of Greg and vice versus.

1192
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: That's happened to me before, Craig horrorback of the Ringer

1193
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Show has an amazing Tom Brady impression that

1194
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 1: you guys should just go okay, seek out.

1195
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 3: But I love Rex.

1196
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 4: Yeah recommendation, people finish listening to this show before do it.

1197
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 3: I we have a.

1198
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: Spicy t previewcom I reposted it on blue Sky, so

1199
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: check out my blue Sky account there.

1200
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 4: But I helped recruit you.

1201
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 2: I said that I need to work on my Tom

1202
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 2: Brady impression. That was me warm Wow. Maybe trying to

1203
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 2: go ahead?

1204
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Greg, like you have the floor.

1205
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: That's a great show. That's a great that's an a

1206
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 2: plus throw KP. I don't know. No, that's not good.

1207
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 2: I gotta work on it. Eric just sounds so angry,

1208
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: just sounds so angry all the time.

1209
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 4: Because nobody could possibly live up to his expectations.

1210
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're very high.

1211
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 4: Take that out, Eric, leave that in.

1212
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: Okay, it is time for our tnfpred presented by Prime

1213
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: Video Brown Steelers. There's some fun things to talk about

1214
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: with this game. Yeah, the Browns not playing well over all.

1215
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: Their defense has kind of collapsed. Kind of been a

1216
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: small story there, Jim Schwartz. They're twenty fifth right now

1217
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: in DVOA on the season. They really miss j Okay,

1218
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: there's poor communication, there's coverage bus. This is Russell Wilson

1219
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: coming off his worst game as a Steeler by a

1220
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: good amount. I would say this should be the perfect

1221
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: matchup to maybe turn that around, because this is a

1222
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: Browns team that's given up a lot.

1223
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:32,959
Speaker 2: Of big plays.

1224
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 3: The perfect matchup. If this was the Steelers of old,

1225
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 3: you remember they would always win the big games and

1226
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 3: then they would immediately play down to their competition.

1227
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: Good point on a short.

1228
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 3: Week after they just had this battle with Baltimore and

1229
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 3: now they have the Browns and it's a division game,

1230
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 3: so it feels like there are all the makings here

1231
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 3: for this to maybe be a letdown. I'm still picking

1232
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,479
Speaker 3: the Steelers in this game, but both of these pass

1233
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 3: rushes are really good, so I'm not sure how many

1234
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 3: points are going to be scored. I don't know how

1235
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 3: many turnovers there's going to be.

1236
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:06,439
Speaker 2: TJ.

1237
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 3: Watt always seems to have big games against the Browns,

1238
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 3: and Watt plays over ninety percent of his snaps on

1239
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 3: the left side, which puts him up against right tackle

1240
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 3: Jack Conklin and Conklin. Since he started in Week six,

1241
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 3: he's allowed eight quick pressures, the second most among all

1242
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 3: right tackles in that span. So I can't imagine that

1243
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 3: they're gonna move Whatt around a lot because they don't

1244
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 3: have Alex high Smith out there. Plus Jameis Winston. We

1245
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 3: know what happens when he gets that pressure, and when

1246
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 3: he's in bad situations, he'll just throw one up the

1247
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 3: Lord takes over exactly. So that's like, honestly, the pass

1248
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 3: rushes on both side sides I think is the most

1249
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 3: interesting part of this game.

1250
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am gonna love seeing both defenses. From this,

1251
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 4: the Steelers feel to me like just obviously much more

1252
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 4: of a complete team, So ultimately I'm going to pick

1253
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 4: them as well. But I will say, you know how,

1254
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 4: a lot of times we joke in games that are

1255
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 4: like a shootout, for example, that are like, oh, last

1256
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 4: score wins or last points win or.

1257
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 3: Whatever as the ball.

1258
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 4: To me, this is last turnover wins or last forced

1259
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 4: turnover wins, because both of these defenses are going to

1260
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 4: be active, in my opinion, or are going to do

1261
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 4: their best to be active in a variety of different

1262
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 4: ways from rush to coverage, and like I said, I

1263
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 4: think front to back, even without Alex Heismith, the Steelers

1264
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 4: are just such a complete, full bodied team on both

1265
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 4: sides of the ball now. But I do think that

1266
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 4: this is going to be a defensive battle and we're

1267
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 4: going to see some really cool pass rush plans.

1268
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: Guys. Okay, okay, yeah. Because the offensive line for the

1269
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: Browns has been terrible. Jedrick Wills might play in this game.

1270
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: They lost Touwan Jones for the season on Sunday, who

1271
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: had been stepping in at left tackle. They don't really

1272
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: have a plan right now at tackle short or long term,

1273
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: and that's brutal going up against Pittsburgh. I hear your

1274
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: point though about the Steelers playing down. That wasn't a

1275
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: emotional rivalry game win. This is a division matchup on

1276
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: the road.

1277
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: Just in a short wheel that Twitter, I'm going with that,

1278
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: And like the.

1279
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: Steelers secondary to me has been up and down. Like

1280
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: Joey Porter Junior is very a very good example of

1281
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: it that. He was one of the reasons why they

1282
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: won that game against the Ravens. He was fantastic. But

1283
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: his bad games has been very bad, so maybe they

1284
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: can get it going. I thought Jamis played pretty well

1285
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: against the Saints. Actually, I was surprised when I went

1286
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: back that the last couple of games, even the one,

1287
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: even the two starts ago, which you felt like a

1288
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: little bit of a fiasco for him. I didn't think

1289
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: it was as bad as the tape. Maybe it's just

1290
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: because you know, I've always been a Jamis guy. And

1291
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: even in a game like that where you lose thirty

1292
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: five to fourteen against the Saints, like he had four

1293
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: or five throws in that game that were like incredible throws.

1294
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: So he's fun at least entertain us.

1295
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 4: Jamison the Saints. It just makes sense. Yeah, and I

1296
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 4: think too that this this is going to be where

1297
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 4: you are correct and talking about their their past defense,

1298
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 4: and it's been up and down. When they take the

1299
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 4: ball away, they do it in spurts, they do it

1300
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 4: multiple times, either in a game or week over week,

1301
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 4: and when things are on the ground in front of them,

1302
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 4: they don't miss tackles. The Steelers have missed the least

1303
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 4: amount of tackles in the entire NFL this season, just

1304
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 4: sixty three. They can wrap at almost a ninety percent rate,

1305
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Speaker 4: rap and bring you to the ground on first contact,

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01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 4: so you're not going to create much against them unless

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01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 4: it is literally over the top of them.

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Speaker 3: It does concern me a little bit that aside from

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01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 3: George Pickens, none of the Steelers wide receivers could get

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01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 3: open against the league's worst passing defense Like that, that

1311
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 3: was really bad. You had George Pickens who was eight

1312
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: for eighty nine, and then everybody else combined for two

1313
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Speaker 3: catches for three yards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see if, like Mike Williams gets more in

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01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: the mix, but they're playing Van Jefferson and Calvin Austin over.

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01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: Although he was still out there a decent amount of

1317
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: snaps and didn't do much. Like the book to stop

1318
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: Ross's is split safeties, don't let them hit shots down

1319
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: the field. The Ravens did that more against him, but

1320
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: not even fifty percent of the time. He averaged one

1321
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: point eight adjusted yards per attempt when they were playing

1322
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Speaker 1: in that split safety shell, which is just trying to

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01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: take away the deep pass. So I know Jim Schwartz,

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01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: it's not really his style, but he likes to be

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Speaker 1: aggressive and try to take away the middle. To feel

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Speaker 1: all this stuff like that that wouldn't necessarily work against

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 4: I have avert the plan just you know. I know

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01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 4: it's an easier way, easier me saying it than actually

1330
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 4: doing it. But take what you normally do very very

1331
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 4: well if you're Jim Schwartz, and then simply invert it

1332
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 4: and bring as much pressure as you possibly can.

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Speaker 2: I try to check out the local coverage to see

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01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 2: what's going on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's what's going on? What are the streets saying?

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Speaker 1: Zac Jackson? I believe athletic. He said on his podcast.

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Speaker 1: He got to keep an eye on Kevin's the fancy

1338
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: of getting fired out after this game? Whoa Now he

1339
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: didn't say that exactly, but he just he said it

1340
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: in a way that you knew that's what he was saying.

1341
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: That six out of the last seven Browns coaches have

1342
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: been fired after a Steelers loss. Now that's no statically

1343
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: that that seems more circumstantial, but a handful of them

1344
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: have been under this ownership.

1345
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 3: On that side again, write down seven last.

1346
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 2: Browns, Yeah, coaches fired after.

1347
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: Now they do play again later in the season, maybe

1348
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: that would be a more likely spot. The thing he

1349
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: pointed out, which I think was really well said, was literally,

1350
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: no one knows what ownership is thinking there, no one.

1351
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 2: No one's talking. That's clear, like no, but no one knows,

1352
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 2: like no one's in contact with them. No one knows.

1353
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: And so to talk.

1354
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: To talk about what's next for the Browns in terms

1355
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: of their path forward, for instance, you kind of have

1356
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: to find out first is Andrew Berry going to be there,

1357
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: the guy who put this aging most expensive roster in

1358
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: NFL history together? Like does he lose his job because

1359
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: of that? Because if he's not there, then like what

1360
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: are we even talking about? You have to find out

1361
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: it's Kevin Stefanski going to be there? He might be

1362
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: on the hot seat now even though he just got

1363
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: a contract extension. This is what happens when when things

1364
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: are like this ugly two and eight losing by twenty

1365
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: one to Risball, and on the and.

1366
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Speaker 4: On the other side of things, Yeah, Mike Tomlin and

1367
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 4: Art Smith and you know, this is an example Russell Wilson, Like,

1368
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 4: this is an example of a team that and a

1369
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 4: head coach that was not okay with status quo anymore,

1370
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 4: who has made decisions this year to push and to

1371
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 4: really kind of break through that eight and nine or

1372
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 4: nine and eight or we never have a losing season

1373
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 4: sort of meme that we've made out of this and yeah,

1374
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 4: that's been solid, but he wants better than solid. He

1375
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 4: wants to actually take risks and make these decisions that

1376
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 4: put him, you know, out on the limb a little bit.

1377
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 4: And I think that is where you see such a

1378
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 4: contrast between a team that is in literal quicksand right

1379
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 4: now and in its own way at every turn because

1380
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 4: of the decisions that it made, and then this Mike

1381
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 4: Tomlin team that we think about as like this steel

1382
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 4: like sluggish behemoth just like moving down the street.

1383
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 3: Are you talking about Ben Roethlis.

1384
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 4: It's like this team that's just like, yeah, it's sixteen

1385
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 4: points and if you score seventeen, you'll beat him, But

1386
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 4: good luck score in seventeen. And sometimes that's true still

1387
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 4: with this group. Yeah, but they're not that Ethos anymore.

1388
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 4: They've taken enough risks, I think, to really make themselves

1389
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 4: into this complete team that is dangerous in every phase.

1390
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're absolutely contenders to be the one seed in

1391
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: the AFC at this point. I know the schedule is hard,

1392
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: but they keep beating the bad the good teams on

1393
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: their schedule to this point, so unexpected. Yeah, Hayward, I

1394
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: think maybe is like a under the radar Defensive Player

1395
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: of the Year candidate John Ledyard, who I really like

1396
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: a lot through that out there that he thinks like

1397
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: he's been a better player than TJ.

1398
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 2: Watt.

1399
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Speaker 1: On balance, Cam Hayward has been fantastic. Keep an eye

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01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: on if they use Justin Fields a little more maybe

1401
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: in the red zone. They are They are thirtieth in

1402
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: the NFL in the red zone this year. Now, a

1403
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: lot of that was with Justin Fields, but his numbers

1404
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: were much better than Russell Wilson's, and it would make

1405
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: sense why Russell Wilson is throwing. He's completing twenty nine

1406
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: percent of his passes in the red zone, and you

1407
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: have this running quarterback.

1408
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be afraid. He doesn't live in his fears

1409
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 2: like a lot of these teams.

1410
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: There's an alternate universe where we're doing the do over

1411
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: for teams under five hundred segment and the Steelers are

1412
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: part of it, and we say they shouldn't have stuck

1413
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: with Kenny Pickett another year. I know you gave him

1414
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: a first round, you picked him in the first round,

1415
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: but you got to know when to evaluate your own roster.

1416
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 2: They didn't. They traded him to the Eagles for a

1417
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 2: bag of donuts. All right.

1418
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Speaker 1: That was this week's TNF preview, presented by Prime Video.

1419
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: Be sure to watch the Pittsburgh Steelers take on the

1420
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns this Thursday on Prime Video.

1421
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 3: That point about using justin fields makes so much sense too,

1422
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 3: because of what Taysom Hill just did against the Browns

1423
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 3: last week.

1424
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 4: Hey, we'll take he's the.

1425
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: Television professional collbody.

1426
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 4: You should just throw your micro set.

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01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: That really is right, Let's go, We're not beating there.

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01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: Play the music goodbye. As always, one of my favorite

1429
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: days of the week, Benny with you two.

1430
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 2: Stay tuned.

1431
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: Previous show, Patrick Claibhand Steve Weish on Wednesday. We'll see

1432
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: you then when when we're all knowing and yes, when

1433
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: we're tutelaging.

1434
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 2: You know football is back.

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Speaker 3: Bye,