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Speaker 1: Today on the bright Side, I'm joined by a very

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Speaker 1: dear friend and someone who has created this soundtrack to

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Speaker 1: our lives since two thousand and seven. Jordan Sparks is

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Speaker 1: here to share how she created massive hits like No Air,

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Speaker 1: the advice Whitney Houston imparted to her before she passed,

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Speaker 1: and the moment Jordan realized her life would never be

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Speaker 1: the same.

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Speaker 2: I finally was like, you know what, this is my life.

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Speaker 2: I just have to remember that possibly when I go

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Speaker 2: out every day, somebody might recognize me, because it's different

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Speaker 2: going from being anonymous and a high school kids. All

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, every single person on the planet kind

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Speaker 2: of knows who you are.

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Speaker 1: I'm simone voice and this is the bright side from

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Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Welcome back to the bright Side. My guest

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Speaker 1: today is someone who is bringing the sunshine. She bursts

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Speaker 1: onto the scene at just seventeen, when she became the

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Speaker 1: youngest winner in American Idol history. She's produced hit after

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Speaker 1: hit like One Step at a Time, Battlefield and No Air.

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Speaker 1: Whether she's performing on Broadway or at presidential inaugurations. She's

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Speaker 1: someone who leaves a little bit of sparkle everywhere she goes,

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Speaker 1: but before the American Music Awards, the People's Choice Award,

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Speaker 1: or even American Idol. I knew Jordan Sparks as just

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Speaker 1: another teenage girl, one that somehow seemed destined for big

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Speaker 1: things even back then. I can't wait for you to

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Speaker 1: get to know Jordan the way I know Jordan. Let's

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Speaker 1: get into it. Jordan Sparks, Welcome to the bright Side.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Simone. How are you girl?

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Speaker 1: I'm so good, Jordan. This is the first time that

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Speaker 1: I've had someone I've literally known since childhood on the show,

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Speaker 1: so this is very special for me. I think that

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Speaker 1: we have to start by just telling everyone how we

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Speaker 1: know each other.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, well man, we went to summer camp together

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Speaker 2: and it was called Cannon Cook and we met and

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Speaker 2: call the Colorado one though, right. We met at Kay

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Speaker 2: Colorado and we just were like someone who looks like me.

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Speaker 3: It ran towards each other and just, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: we just clicked, you know, Yes.

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Speaker 1: I remember that so vividly. I made so many friends there,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who didn't look like me. However,

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Speaker 1: when you have that moment when you see someone who

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Speaker 1: you feel seen. I remember like locking eyes with you

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Speaker 1: and your brother PJ and just being like.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we found each other.

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Speaker 2: You're staying, like you're gonna be here too, Like it

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Speaker 2: was so fun. I have such fond memories of that

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Speaker 2: don't know, we got to be in nature and we

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Speaker 3: I really loved that. I really really loved that. I

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Speaker 3: wish I could go.

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Speaker 1: Back, Jordan. So my fondest memories from that camp was

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Speaker 1: sitting with you on a bus ride and like I remember,

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Speaker 1: I would make you sing.

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Speaker 3: I'd like, I'm singing. That's the first thing that pounded men.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I know, I was singing. I was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you were singing. I was like, Jordan, and you

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Speaker 1: have to sing. And then I would harmonize with you,

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Speaker 1: and then I think we would like get other people

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Speaker 3: Yes, we started it.

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Speaker 2: We got the ball rolling for everybody, like, Okay, we're

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Speaker 2: let's have some fun.

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Speaker 1: Here's your entertainment, y'all two hams exactly.

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Speaker 2: And then on the lake we would play games and

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Speaker 3: The jet skis like, oh man, good times.

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Speaker 1: Good times. Well, Jordan, after we went to camp together.

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Speaker 1: It honestly was not long after that that you went

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Speaker 1: on American Idol and Girl. As soon as I saw

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Speaker 1: So you win American Idol at seventeen, youngest winner in

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Speaker 3: Okay? I love that you just asked me this because

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Speaker 3: So I wasn't even allowed to be in the building

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Speaker 2: Like, hey, hey, like all these people. Then I left

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Speaker 2: So it was like it was just the continuation. The

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Speaker 2: It was crazy, and so I hadn't had any sleep.

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Speaker 2: So I kind of just put everything into a box.

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Speaker 3: Like, you know, just take a moment.

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Speaker 2: And I remember this lady and her daughter walked up

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Speaker 2: really excited and she said, Jordan, can we take a picture.

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Speaker 2: a little bit. And this lady went off, Simon. She

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Speaker 3: I voted for you.

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Speaker 2: I never should have voted for you. I hope all

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Speaker 2: it was just so much all at once. But I

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Speaker 2: But I was like, oh, okay, it's not all rainbows

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Speaker 1: That's what I hope. And you're literally the best person

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Speaker 2: Well, because I just I also remember being I don't

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Speaker 3: Was just a kid.

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Speaker 1: You were seventeen years old.

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Speaker 3: The whole thing. So it was crazy. But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: Well, we've seen each other a little bit over the years,

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't really know if I was consciously dealing

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Speaker 3: Have to We just got to keep moving forward. Forward.

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Speaker 2: Motion has always been in the back of my mind.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if I was really like, wow,

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Speaker 2: I wasn't really thinking about it that way. I was

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Speaker 1: and we're back with Jordan Sparks. Okay, So moving after

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Speaker 1: American Idol after the tour. Ye, No Air comes out

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, Yes, two thousand and seven,

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Speaker 1: is that right?

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Speaker 2: Well, I recorded it in two thousand and seven, but

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Speaker 3: And I was like I'm sitting right here, you know,

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Speaker 2: Honestly I was, I was like, yes, please, it reintroduced me,

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I walk to that beat now just

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure every millennial has that soundtrack playing when

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Speaker 3: It's above me. Now. I'm just the best lie. I

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Speaker 2: But I think when I sing Tattoo, I just kind

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Speaker 3: But that was the first song that was mine, you know.

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Speaker 3: I like. It wasn't this is mine now from Idle.

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00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,520
Speaker 3: This was Jordan Spark's single Tattoo, And when it played

440
00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,520
Speaker 3: on the radio for the first time, I was actually

441
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:24,280
Speaker 3: here in New York.

442
00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,840
Speaker 2: We were on the tour bus coming to New York

443
00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,639
Speaker 2: and I was on an interview with Z one hundred

444
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,280
Speaker 2: and I went into my hotel room and I was

445
00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,000
Speaker 2: doing the interview and they were like, Okay, we're going

446
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:35,560
Speaker 2: to play your.

447
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,200
Speaker 3: Song now, are you ready? And I was like, yeah,

448
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 3: I'm ready. I was not ready. They started playing the

449
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,920
Speaker 3: song and I just burst into tears.

450
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,520
Speaker 2: I was weeping because I was like, this is my

451
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,640
Speaker 2: song and I can't control it, Like anybody who's listening

452
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:50,720
Speaker 2: to this radio station right.

453
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 3: Now is going to hear my voice.

454
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 2: And I cried for a good half hour, I think

455
00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,360
Speaker 2: after because they were like, we're going to play your song,

456
00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 2: and then you know, the interview was over and I

457
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,640
Speaker 2: got off the phone. So I was in my room

458
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 2: just cry and cry and crying. So grateful, so excited.

459
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 2: But I think with that one, I really get nostalgic

460
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,919
Speaker 2: and it just brings me back to that place like,

461
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,439
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, like I get to do this, you know,

462
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 2: I get.

463
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 3: To do what I dreamt about.

464
00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,640
Speaker 2: It also changes, you know, for me as I got older,

465
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 2: because at the time I was thinking about, you know,

466
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 2: my friend that I had lost, I'd lost my best friend.

467
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,639
Speaker 2: I had lost a few people when I was on

468
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 2: the show, and I was thinking about them and how

469
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,560
Speaker 2: I carried them with me, And I think it's kind

470
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 2: of changed. Like you know, sometimes people come in and

471
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 2: out of your life. Sometimes people are there for a season,

472
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,920
Speaker 2: sometimes they're there for a long time, and.

473
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 3: You carry all those people.

474
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 2: All those people continuously become tattooed on you because they

475
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 2: leave a mark. So yeah, that song changes every time,

476
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 2: but that's the one for sure that I definitely feel

477
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 2: a little bit more emotional. Sometimes I'll cry, to be honest,

478
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 2: when I sing it, but not all the time.

479
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,640
Speaker 1: You've lost a lot of people, Jordan, You've been through

480
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 1: a lot of grief.

481
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Do you ever.

482
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 1: Wonder like why why me? What does this have to

483
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 1: happen to me?

484
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's like why me per se,

485
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 3: but just like why did it have to happen to

486
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:09,120
Speaker 3: good people and people who had so much to give? Still?

487
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 2: And I think, honestly, that's how I feel about anybody

488
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 2: who passed away. I feel like there's always more that

489
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 2: they could have shared, or more that they could have

490
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 2: done here. But when it's our time, it's our time.

491
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: I've been I don't want to say in the face

492
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,199
Speaker 2: of death that sounds so depressing, But I've been around

493
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 2: it since I was very young, so I don't know

494
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: if I got used to it as much as it's like, well,

495
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 2: it's a part of life, like that happens, And I

496
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 2: think the shock happens when because you don't know who

497
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 2: it's going to be. We know that our time is

498
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 2: going to come, but we just don't know who it's

499
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 2: going to be or when, and so I think those

500
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 2: are the moments where it's just like they're not here anymore,

501
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 2: and like how do you move forward from that? And

502
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 2: you're like missing those pieces or those conversations or you

503
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 2: know their presence basically.

504
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 3: So it's just it's hard.

505
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 2: Obviously we all go through loss and it's hard, but

506
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 2: I always look at what I have, you know, what

507
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 2: I have left my family, My niece is now. I

508
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 2: had dogs at one point and I was like, well,

509
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 2: I got y'all, so we're good. In those moments, that's

510
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 2: always when I kind of look at what I'm doing

511
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 2: and I kind of reassess, like, am I really giving

512
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 2: what I could be giving?

513
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 3: Am I being the best mom that I can be?

514
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 3: Am I being the best wife that I.

515
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 2: Can be am I really giving and using my gift

516
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 2: to the best of my ability.

517
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 3: So yeah, those are definitely reflection points for me.

518
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about one of those reflection

519
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: points because I looked at time in your career that

520
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: seems like it might have been where one of those

521
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: took place. So your first album, Jordan Sparks, comes out

522
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, then Battlefield in two thousand

523
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: and nine, and then you didn't release a new album

524
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 1: until twenty fifteen. What was behind that decision? Oh?

525
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: Man, Well, it's funny because hold on, let me think.

526
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 2: I actually think that that was a time. I actually

527
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 2: don't think I lost anybody during that time, because the

528
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,959
Speaker 2: not working was not for lack of me wanting to.

529
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 3: And this is a whole.

530
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: Other hour of a podcast that we could do Bring

531
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 2: me Back. We'll do a part two, okay, but basically

532
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: in a nutshell because that was a good six years,

533
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 2: six years, right, Yeah, two thousand and nine was Battlefield

534
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: mm hm, So.

535
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 3: It was a good six years.

536
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 2: But like I had been recording and the label was like, yeah,

537
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: keep recording, here you go, Like again, the sessions, we'll

538
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: put on an album and then they just kept kind

539
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 2: of dangling a carrot. And then I was like, okay, well,

540
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: if music isn't working, then I have to pivot. And

541
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 2: I had already been auditioning for movies and doing a

542
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 2: little TV appearances and things like that, and then I

543
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 2: booked Sparkle and I was so excited to do Sparkle,

544
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 2: and so that took up a lot of time, about

545
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: a year and a half of like promo and filming

546
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: and everything that went into that. And I was still

547
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 2: wanted to make music. I was still in the studio,

548
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: but the label just would not. And then I walked

549
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: in one day and they were like, well, you're not

550
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 2: focused on music, and I was like, I would be

551
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: if you would actually do what you say you're gonna do.

552
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 3: But I need to pay my bills. I need to

553
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 3: put food on my table.

554
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: So I took this movie, but they took it as

555
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 2: that I wasn't serious as music or they just you know, gaslit,

556
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 2: you know, you know, So that was happening, and then

557
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 2: they still didn't put anything out, and I mean, now,

558
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 2: like looking back on it, it's like, Okay, they got

559
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 2: their budgets, they have their ideas for who's coming out,

560
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: what's going on? All that stuff like cool I just

561
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: didn't get written into any of those, which I didn't

562
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: understand at the time because nobody was really telling me that.

563
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: There was just a lot of miscommunication, I think. And

564
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: so Salaam Remi, who was the musical director and composer

565
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: on Sparkle, he saw me, like he really saw me.

566
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,239
Speaker 2: He was like, I know you want to do this,

567
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 2: like what's up? And so I was, you know, telling

568
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: him what was happening in my frustrations and I was like,

569
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do.

570
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 3: I don't know how to kind of rectify this or

571
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 3: handle it. And he I was like, well, I have

572
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 3: my own label.

573
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: Would you like to come under my label and we

574
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: can you know, work on an album together.

575
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: And I was like I would love that. He was like,

576
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 3: I want to help you, and I was like I

577
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 3: would love that.

578
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: And so I moved over under his label called Louder

579
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: than Life. He was like, what do you want to do?

580
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: What do you how do you want it to sound?

581
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: Who do you want to work with? And he brought

582
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: me in some great rooms, like I got to work

583
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: with Babyface and I worked.

584
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 3: With Shaggy and just it was amazing the stuff that

585
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 3: we got to do.

586
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: And then we put we finally put that album out.

587
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 2: So it took a while, but it wasn't for lack

588
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: of trying. But I was still in the spotlight because

589
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: just not for music.

590
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: I was acting.

591
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: And then I had hired a personal publicist and her

592
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: name is Victoria Varrella.

593
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 3: She's amazing.

594
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 2: I love her, love her, love her still, and she

595
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 2: was like, well, we'll keep your name out there. We'll

596
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 2: keep your name out there, and once you have music,

597
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: you know, it's going to be like you were never gone.

598
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: And so we did what we had We did what

599
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: we had to do. Okay, So it was like I

600
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: was doing Freebok and I was like Women's running magazine

601
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: and like all these different things. I had to be

602
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: strategic at that point because it was like Battlefield did

603
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: so well and then all of a sudden, it was

604
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: like crickets on that side. So Sparkle really really helped

605
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: kind of bridge the gap between the time, the interim

606
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: time between albums, and obviously that time was just incredible.

607
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: We've got to take a quick break, but we'll be

608
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: right back, and we're back with Jordan Sparks. Well, I

609
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: want to ask you about Sparkle because you worked with

610
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston on her very last film project before she died.

611
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: That seems wow, that's like heavy to carry that and

612
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: meaningful to carry that. How do you reflect on those

613
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: final moments with her?

614
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: Oh Man, Whitney, Ah, she really taught me, to be honest.

615
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: We know, I think I just mentioned it, like sometimes

616
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 2: people are seasonal in your life, and sometimes you know,

617
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 2: you get to know people for a short amount of

618
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: time and you kind of don't remember it, or it's

619
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: a long time and you sometimes don't remember that either.

620
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 2: But there are people who can make an impact on

621
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 2: you and timing doesn't matter. I knew Whitney for probably,

622
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: let me think, six months total, like got to know

623
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: her and be with her and see her and experience

624
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 2: her in real life. And she made such an impact

625
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: on me, not only as a singer obviously because I

626
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: looked up to her, but as a person. I just

627
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: really loved how she just was like, you know, people

628
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: like to throw things back in your face. This is

629
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: nothing new, but she would be standing there and be

630
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 2: like and and I just I loved that because I

631
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: was a people pleaser and I was like Okay, I'll

632
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 2: do whatever and really want people to like you. But

633
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: she just was like those things happened, and like, what

634
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: are we even talking about? Why are we talking about this?

635
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: Admired that I don't even want to call it courage,

636
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: but I admired how she just stood for herself. She

637
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: stood for herself, and I wanted to be that way

638
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: in my own self because sometimes I'd be so worried

639
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: about letting someone down or making someone feel bad at

640
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: the cost of myself sometimes, and I really admired that

641
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: about her. And I also admired that she was the

642
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: consummate professional, and she was funny, and her voice was

643
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: still just ugh. She opened her mouth and nobody, nobody

644
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 2: was immune to what happened when she would sing, and

645
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: I just was so I was devastated. I was devastated.

646
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: When we got the news. I just was like, what

647
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: are we supposed to do without her? In general? Like

648
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: how did we lose this voice? And how are we

649
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: supposed to do this movie without her?

650
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 3: And do the promo?

651
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: And that was another thing that was wild, because after

652
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: she was gone, that's all anybody wanted to talk about.

653
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: And as the lead as Sparkle, it all fell on me,

654
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: and I was so I was so emotionally fragile at

655
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: that time. When I look at it, like in interviews,

656
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: I just would break down and cry. It was just

657
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: a lot. It was a lot of pressure. It was

658
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure again. So it almost felt like

659
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: when I won Idle again. That just like immense amount

660
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: of pressure. Because I'd never done a movie before. This

661
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: is my first film. I didn't know all this worked.

662
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: I didn't know how all of it worked, and I just.

663
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: Was like, Okay, I got it. So I got to

664
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: carry it.

665
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: I really try and carry the memory and the mark

666
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: that she left with me, and I really try to

667
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: represent her in the best way that I know how.

668
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: And you can hear her sometimes when I sing some

669
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: of her phrasing and things and inflections. I don't mean

670
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: to do it, but it's like, thll, this would sound

671
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: good here, and she would do that.

672
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: So can you give me an example, Like what do

673
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: you mean by that?

674
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: So I just sang.

675
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: I was on another podcast over in Australia and she

676
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: asked me to sing his Eyes on the Sparrow. And

677
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: I've never performed that song for anybody. I've never performed

678
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: at church It's something that I kind of just sing

679
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: to myself. And the only version I know is Whitney's

680
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: version from Sparkle, and so I have sang her version

681
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: to myself so many times that when it was time

682
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: for me to actually sing it, there were so many

683
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: pieces of her, like she says.

684
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 3: Why, Lord, why, and it's.

685
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: So her, you know, like I probably wouldn't have thought

686
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: to put that there, but that's what she put in

687
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: her version, and so it just when I was singing

688
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: and trying to sing it on my own, I just

689
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: was like, I have to leave this here.

690
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: I have to leave this here. But I also think,

691
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 3: like sometimes I'll do ad libs like she used to do.

692
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: She'd go like bah, and like she'd like push it

693
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: off and kind of throw it away like things like that.

694
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 3: Sometimes I do that and I don't mean to, they

695
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: just pop out.

696
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: So I'm glad that she's like pressing a little button

697
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: like no, no, I'll put that there, put that there.

698
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: And I also love to think that she helped you

699
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: combat your people pleasing. I never would have thought.

700
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, She just was like, you know, speak up.

701
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: And that was the other thing that I loved. You know,

702
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: they're always hitting women again each other, and like, you

703
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: know she's doing this and now she doesn't want these

704
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: women here.

705
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: And that wasn't the case.

706
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: On the set of Sparkle, Whitney literally put myself, Carmen, Tika,

707
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: and any anybody else who was there on her shoulders

708
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: and was like, what do you need? She always was

709
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: making sure that we were comfortable. She was always making

710
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: sure that we were good, not just like are you

711
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: having a good day today? Like are you comfortable with

712
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: this scene? Are you how are you in this outfit?

713
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: Like do you feel comfortable in this dress? Do you

714
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: feel comfortable in these clothes? And I just really loved

715
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: that because I just wasn't thinking that was I wasn't

716
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: expecting that. I guess not that I assume that she

717
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: wouldn't be that way. I just wasn't really expecting her to.

718
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting her to go out of her way

719
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: to make sure that we were okay like that. And

720
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: it was every day and we would wake up, we

721
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: would be in the trailer and she would come in

722
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: and she had her there's like a sliding door, she

723
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: had her own separate side and there was like the

724
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: big trailer. She would come in and go, good morning,

725
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: how my baby's doing this morning, and we'd be like,

726
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: we're good, mama, and she'd be like, God is good.

727
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: We'd be like all the time, and then that's how

728
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: we would start our day. So like it just she

729
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: was awesome.

730
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: She was awesome.

731
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: You sounded like Whitney just now. Like it was like

732
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: she just yes, you have a good Whitney impression. It

733
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: was like her soul just came through you just now.

734
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 3: See. I don't even try. I don't even try.

735
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: I like, I try to lower my voice, because she

736
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: definitely had more of a she had like a smokey

737
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: your voice.

738
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, I miss her. She was awesome.

739
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: Okay, Jordan, we've talked about the pressure that you faced

740
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: as a singer as an individual artist, I also want

741
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: to talk about the pressure that you have experienced in

742
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: romantic relationships, because yeah, let's go there, let's go in

743
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: that time when you kind of took a step back

744
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: from music between twenty eleven to twenty fourteen, you dated

745
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: Jason Derulo, and I can remember seeing the headlines and

746
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, I'm so happy for my girl.

747
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: But then also it started to turn and it became

748
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: very invasive and salacious about your personal life, and I

749
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: can only imagine that that was a crash course in

750
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: dating in the public What did you learn about the

751
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: pressure of being a public figure and how that impacts

752
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: your romantic life too.

753
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: I learned a lot about myself and how I respond

754
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: to things in terms of, like you said, like your

755
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: privacy being invaded and people just feeling like they can

756
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: ask you all these questions and You're just like, whoa,

757
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: this is between me and the person over there. Like

758
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: that was odd because I had seen it, you know,

759
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: I grew up the tabloid magazine, so I saw it happen.

760
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: I just never thought that it would happen to me.

761
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: So when it happened, I really learned a lot about myself.

762
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: I realized that I am very much a person who

763
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: is only going to have a conversation with the person

764
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: that it's about.

765
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: I don't want to talk to everybody else about this.

766
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: And the other thing as well, is like, you're not

767
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: going to make me come out of my character. You're

768
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: not going to take me there. You're not going to

769
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: get me out of my character. If I have to

770
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: have a breakdown or whatever, it'll be in the comforts

771
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: of my own home, but you are not going to

772
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: try and pull me out to get whatever clickbait or

773
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: or you know, make it become this thing. Because you know,

774
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: people were just like what about this and what about this?

775
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,479
Speaker 2: And I was like, no comment, I have nothing to

776
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: say to you. And it also showed me that people

777
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: are not the same and people are going to respond

778
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: in the best way that they know how and how

779
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: they feel like they're protecting themselves. So I just was like,

780
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: I don't really need to say anything about this, Like

781
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: I know the truth. If I keep saying all of

782
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: these different things, then it's just gonna go like this,

783
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: and then it's just gonna become bigger than it needs

784
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: to be because it was already everywhere.

785
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: I just was like, I don't need any more of this.

786
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: I'm good, while at the same time being devastated, you know,

787
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: emotionally devastated. I'm trying to figure out what's going on still,

788
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: and the whole world wants to know. So that was

789
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: definitely an interesting time. But you know, hindsight is twenty twenty.

790
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 2: Everything is a lesson. Every single thing is a lesson.

791
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: And I don't regret anything. I don't regret anything, and

792
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: I don't regret.

793
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 3: The choices that I made. My mental health looks.

794
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: A little crazy when you look at the chart on

795
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: the choices that I made, But I don't regret it

796
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: because it brought me to where I am now. And

797
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: I don't think that I would appreciate my husband and

798
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: everything that he is to me and everything that he

799
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: is as a person himself. If I didn't go through

800
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: the things that I went through. And I also know

801
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: now that like, I have to keep something for me,

802
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: you know, I have to keep and I have to

803
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: keep that safe. As much as I love to talk

804
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: about it and I love to be, you know, be

805
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: an open book, there's still a lot that I keep

806
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: for myself.

807
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: Yes, that's You're right. You deserve to keep whatever feels

808
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: right to your private Have you ever written about that

809
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: chapter with your public relationship with Jason Derulo and your music?

810
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there are some songs that never got released.

811
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, where, Oh my god, I think there's

812
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 2: I think I wrote a song called shattered.

813
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm so dramatic. I wrote a song

814
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 3: that sounds pretty emo.

815
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: Jordan, I wrote a.

816
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 3: Song called shattered.

817
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: I was like I just was like, I don't know

818
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: what's happen happening right now, and it was just it

819
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: was a lot. Everything was just so weird, and I

820
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 2: was like, how did we get here?

821
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 3: Who is this? Like I just didn't understand. So yes,

822
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 3: I did write a song like that.

823
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: And then there were a couple songs on right here

824
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 2: right Now that kind of like I wrote kind of

825
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: about the situation, but weren't as like in depth. I

826
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: think left Right is one of those songs. And then

827
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 2: casual Love.

828
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 3: I think I don't want to be just another girl

829
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 3: that you don't want to be, just like a casual lover.

830
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 3: Da da da.

831
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: Artists we take from our real life, you know, it's

832
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: the only way we know how to do it.

833
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: So we turned to the page, exact page.

834
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: The page is a refuge. Even if I think there's power,

835
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: even if the song doesn't get released, or even if

836
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: that email that you need to write to that person

837
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: never gets sent, there's just power in writing it.

838
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: Yep, I do that a lot. Actually, I do that

839
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 3: a lot.

840
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 2: I think this is actually it would be a good

841
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: tip for people with social media, because not everything needs

842
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: to be said, not everything needs.

843
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: To send The drag.

844
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: Put it in your notes. Put it in your notes

845
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 3: and write it out, get it all out, and then

846
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: leave it there.

847
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: We've got to take a quick break, but we'll be

848
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: right back, and we're back with Jordan Sparks. Well, you

849
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: mentioned your marriage to your husband, Dana Isaiah. You got

850
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: married in twenty seventeen. How did you know he was

851
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: the one?

852
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: It's weird to think of, because you know, people are

853
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: just like when you know, you know, okay. People have

854
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 2: said that a lot, and I do have a few

855
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: friends whose parents they like saw and instantly knew that

856
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: that was the person for them, And I was like, wow,

857
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: So I knew it existed. I just I did not

858
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: think I thought it was going to happen to me.

859
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: And we had talked before we met, it was only text.

860
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not doing facetimes with you. I'm

861
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: not doing phone calls like you got to earn those like.

862
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: I was in that space like nah. So I was like,

863
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: we can text and that'll be great. And it was

864
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: really cool because I just was like, hey, this is

865
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: a cool guy, Like he really helped restore my faith

866
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: in the male species. I did not even want to

867
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: be in a room alone with a man. I was

868
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: that like scarred after the things that had happened, and

869
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: so he just was so.

870
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: Normal. I guess he didn't put on any airs.

871
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: I could talk to him about anything, and it was

872
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 2: really really cool. The conversation just flowed, and initially I

873
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: was just like, Wow, this is gonna be just a

874
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: cool person to know, you know. It was strictly platonic.

875
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 2: And then he was like, Hey, I have a trip

876
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: coming to LA. Can we have that conversation about La

877
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 2: and what it's like? Because that was initially how we met.

878
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: Our moms put us on a group chat because he

879
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: wanted to pursue modeling and I had met his mom

880
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: and his mom was like, I don't know if I

881
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: want him to move to LA and all that stuff,

882
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: and I had done something for their charity and she

883
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: was like to my mom was like, hey, do you

884
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: think Jordan would talk to him just kind of about

885
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: what it's like? And because I had met her, I

886
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, Okay, fine, I will have

887
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: this conversation. And that's how we started talking. His trip

888
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: came and he was like, hey, I'm landing. I said,

889
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: why don't you come by and we can talk my

890
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 2: brother was on his way.

891
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: That was the only reason why I invited it more

892
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: to my house because my brother was on his way there,

893
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 3: and I was like, come over, we'll just chat. And

894
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 3: he knocked on the door.

895
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: I opened the door and my dogs ran up to

896
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 2: him first, and I was like, okay.

897
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: Usually you know, they bark or they like stay back.

898
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: They went straight to him, and then he stood up

899
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: and our eyes locked and I just was like.

900
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 3: No, oh, no, oh no. I was like, this is

901
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 3: not what I know. No, because I just wasn't that space.

902
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: I didn't think that that was gonna be the thing,

903
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 2: and it just instantly I was just like whoa, there

904
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 2: you are, Like my whole body. It was almost like

905
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: an adrenaline rusher when you look out of a building

906
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: and it's really really high in your stomach kind of

907
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: is like whoa, And that's what it felt like.

908
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: Also, girl, we have to say, for anybody who doesn't know,

909
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: your husband is very handsome.

910
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 3: So I'm sure that, yeah, he's good, that man is fine.

911
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 2: But the funniest thing is that I wasn't really thinking

912
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: that because I saw, you know, I saw his Instagram

913
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: in a few pictures, but I did not let myself

914
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: go there at all, and so when we met, I

915
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 2: was just like, oh shit, I am in trouble. And

916
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: so we ended up talking until like four am the

917
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 2: next morning. And that second day I called my auntie

918
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: and I was like, you need to come over here.

919
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: I have to tell you about this guy I met.

920
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: And as we're talking, she looks at me and goes,

921
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: did you just meet your husband? And I was like, yes,

922
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 2: yes I did. I did not tell him that, but

923
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 2: I knew. I knew the second day and then yeah,

924
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: Now it's been eight years and it's just it's crazy.

925
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: It's crazy, and you.

926
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: Have a beautiful son together, DJ.

927
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 3: Yes, DJ, my little Blue?

928
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: How old is DJ? Now?

929
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 3: He's seven.

930
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: I have a four year old and a five year

931
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: old and they're just growing so fast.

932
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: It's crazy, so fast, it's insane.

933
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: And I think that's the other thing with my career

934
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: and kind of I don't know if balance is everything

935
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: anybody ever achieves, but with my career and my home life,

936
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: I really am very particular about my time and what

937
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: I say yes to. Now it's like, is that gonna

938
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: be worth me flying across country and taking three days

939
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 2: away from being home in my family?

940
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: No.

941
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: Sometimes my husband's like, but this no, no, it's a no.

942
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 2: We have DJ has a thing tomorrow morning. We got

943
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: to go to that. That is what we need to

944
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: go to. I'm very grateful, but he is just man.

945
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: I do everything for that little boy.

946
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: Well, you did say yes to Marry Little Mystery. That

947
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: is your Christmas movie that's on Roku.

948
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.

949
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: It is so cute and you're so natural. You're so

950
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: natural on screen, Jordan. I was truly like blown away

951
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: by your performance. There was not a moment that felt

952
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,959
Speaker 1: false or inauthentic. It was just so organic and real.

953
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 3: Think you thank you. I really appreciate that.

954
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: I've heard there are some tricks of the trade when

955
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: it comes to filming a Christmas movie like this, because

956
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: you film them perhaps when it's not necessarily Christmas, right,

957
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: and you got to manufacture some of those winter magic elements, right, Yes,

958
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: I want the behind the scenes tea, Like, what is

959
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: something we wouldn't expect about the experience of filming a

960
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: Christmas movie?

961
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, to be honest with you, Mary, Little Mystery

962
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 3: was the first Christmas movie that I filmed that I

963
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: was actually in real snow.

964
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: Oh really, it was real snow.

965
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: Yes, it was real snow.

966
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: We filmed it in Montreal, and I didn't know this

967
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: about Montreal, but in March the weather is just all

968
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: over the place. So it can snow one day and

969
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: then be like seventy five degrees the next day in

970
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: sunny and there's no snow on the ground.

971
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: I was like, can this place make up its mind?

972
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: It was beautiful.

973
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: So the first time that I got to film in

974
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: snow for a Christmas movie, my first scene a whole

975
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: fresh set of snow had fallen that day and I

976
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: was like, oh yay. And then after five minutes, I

977
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: was like, I'm good. Can somebody please, somebody please bring

978
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: me inside. So I feel like with this particular film,

979
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: I had on a heat invest underneath my clothes, and

980
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: underneath the heat in vest were long John's so like

981
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: you are in so many layers. I think for the

982
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: trick of the trade to make it look authentic. In

983
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: the movies that I that where it was called, some

984
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: of them were just based in California, and obviously you

985
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: know there are no white Christmases.

986
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 3: You have to remember to shiver.

987
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 2: You have to remember to be like or like or

988
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 2: you know, like the movements, because if you're just out

989
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: there like this and there's you know, snow falling, and

990
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: you just don't look like you're cold, and then it

991
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: kind of like blows everything out of proportion.

992
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: I think the other thing too.

993
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a trick really, but I

994
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: think with Christmas movies, it's fun for a lot of

995
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 2: people and a lot of actors because everybody's got Christmas

996
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: memories and so it's easy to tap in to the

997
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: emotions of what Christmas brings for people.

998
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: So, you know, sometimes there's the.

999
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: Sad movies and everybody has gone through feeling like they

1000
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: wish a certain person was with them at that time.

1001
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: And then there's just the warmth and warm fuzzies where

1002
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: everybody just needs it. And I think of my son,

1003
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 2: or I think of baking with my nana. So I

1004
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: think with Christmas movies, it's just something that we need.

1005
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: It's been a crazy year, girl, It's been a crazy year,

1006
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,959
Speaker 2: so we need all the warm fuzzies we can get.

1007
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 1: You know, one of the themes in Mary Little Mystery

1008
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: involves family values and traditions that are passed down through generations.

1009
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: Is there a part of your family's legacy that you

1010
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: take pride in inheriting.

1011
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: Ooh, I like how you framed that.

1012
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: Look you guys, Simon, everybody call her please, Well the

1013
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: silly one is the why Elephant gives exchange for the holidays,

1014
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: like love that. I think for me, my nana and

1015
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: my nana, both of my grandmothers, they're like historians, almost

1016
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: like the timekeepers of our family. My nana literally did

1017
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: the genealogy of that of my mom's side of the

1018
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: family herself, like she did the research. She called all

1019
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: the people, she got all the records, and she made

1020
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: a book of my mom's side of the family. My

1021
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: Nana will tell me stories from forty years ago in

1022
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: vivid detail, and I think for me, I've inherited my

1023
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: love of the stories that we share and the stories

1024
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: that we carry and the memories that.

1025
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: We have, because that's all we are.

1026
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 2: All we are are stories and how we made people feel,

1027
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: and those are the things that we leave behind. And

1028
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: so I want to be able to do that for them.

1029
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: I want to be able to talk about who they

1030
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: were and what they loved and you know, how they

1031
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: impacted me and what I carry from them. And I

1032
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: think that's really important, especially now, and I don't know

1033
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: wh I'm getting emotional, but especially now, there's so much

1034
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: that so many of the things that we need to

1035
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: cherish get pushed to the side because there's so much

1036
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: input and we're not filtering all those things, and so

1037
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: many things are getting lost, so many things are getting

1038
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: changed and lost and edited. And as a storyteller, that

1039
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: just breaks my heart. You know, sorry, I was not.

1040
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: It just breaks my heart to see that happening and

1041
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: people not really knowing either where they came from or

1042
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 2: why they do the things that they do. And it's

1043
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: so important. So that is what I want to carry.

1044
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 2: That is something that I've heard it from them. It's

1045
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: my love of stories and my love of sharing them

1046
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: and being able to.

1047
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 3: Kind of take people on a journey. That's what I

1048
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: do with my music.

1049
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 2: I put my emotions into the music and I try

1050
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 2: to take people to a certain place I want them

1051
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: to feel, whether it's having to kind of maybe look

1052
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: at kind of that thing that's irritating or is a

1053
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: little tender, or bringing joy to somebody or lifting somebody

1054
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: up and like, hey, I'm going into this meeting and

1055
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: I can do this like that is what I've been

1056
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 2: called to do Jordan.

1057
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: Last question. We are about to enter a new year.

1058
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 3: Oh yes, please, who I'm ready?

1059
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: How would you describe the era that you're claiming for

1060
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: yourself in twenty twenty six?

1061
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: Ooh honestly, okay, I know we're supposed to wrap this up,

1062
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: but I feel like this is a much deeper question

1063
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: than like that.

1064
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 3: I can really answer. I'm sorry, I can't do a

1065
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 3: surface answer.

1066
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: So you know how every seven years you're new, right,

1067
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: your whole body is new.

1068
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 3: Everything has I've turned over? Yeah? Cellularly, everything is new.

1069
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 3: Your bones are.

1070
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: New, hair, teeth, skin sells, everything turns over. Everything in

1071
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: your body turns over at a different rate. So but

1072
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: every seven years everything is new. And DJ is seven

1073
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 2: years old. So I am now, I think finally out

1074
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 2: of postpartum. Technical postpartum is seven years long. And I

1075
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 2: feel like a new person, to be honest, like, I

1076
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: feel like I'm at the start of something new. I

1077
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: don't know exactly what it is yet, but I'm like

1078
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 2: at this precipice and I'm about to jump, Like that

1079
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: is what this new season feels like.

1080
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: So I just know there's so many.

1081
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: Opportunities that are gonna come, and I can't wait to see,

1082
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: like who this next person is, Like what this next

1083
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: version of myself is going to be.

1084
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 3: I can't wait to meet her.

1085
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: I'm so excited, Like I'm already, like, okay, six months

1086
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: until May. I'm starting right now. I'm already. I was

1087
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: journaling last night, Actually, what am I leaving behind? What

1088
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 2: have I evolved out of? What relationship am I leaving behind?

1089
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: Whether with myself or other people or with a thing.

1090
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: I'm really trying to like understand all the things that

1091
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: I went through this year and why I went through them,

1092
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Speaker 2: and what I'm taking and what I'm leaving because this

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Speaker 2: is a new door, and some of the bags I'm

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Speaker 2: carrying can't fit through this new door, and.

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Speaker 3: So I gotta leave them bars, yeah, bar leave them.

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Speaker 3: I gotta leave them.

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Speaker 1: So I'm can't fit through this door.

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Speaker 2: No, no, they cannot, and if I want to walk

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Speaker 2: through that door, I have to leave them behind. I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited for this next year. I don't think

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Speaker 2: you can tell or anything, but I'm very excited.

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Speaker 1: You packed an entire ted talk into the last fifteen seconds.

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Speaker 1: I'm so impressed, Jordan. This has been amazing I love

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Speaker 1: you so much. I'm so proud of you.

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Speaker 3: Oh I wish I could fuck you.

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Speaker 1: I'm giving you a hook.

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Speaker 3: This is for you, This is for you, This is

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Speaker 3: for you.

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Speaker 1: This is for you. Jordan Sparks is an award winning

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Speaker 1: recording artist and actor. You can stream her new movie

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Speaker 1: Mary Little Mystery on the Roku channel Now. The bright

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Speaker 1: Side is a production of Hello Sunshine and iHeart Podcasts

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Speaker 1: and is executive produced by Reese Witherspoon and me Simone Boyce.

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Speaker 1: Production is by a Cast Creative Studios. Our producers are

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Speaker 1: Taylor Williamson, Abby Delk, and Adrian Bain. Our production assistant

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Speaker 1: is Joya putnoy A Casts executive producers are Jenny Kaplan

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Speaker 1: and Emily Rudder. Maureen Polo and Reese Witherspoon are the

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Speaker 1: executive producers for Hello Sunshine. Ali Perry and Lauren Hansen

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Speaker 1: are the executive producers for iHeart Podcasts. Our Theme the

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Speaker 1: song is by Anna Stump and Hamilton Lakehouser