1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: We're back with Miguel Connor, the occult Elvis. Miguel, you 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: mentioned how Elvis was born under the shadow of his 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 2: stillborn twin brother, Jesse Garn. Did Jesse's ghost guide him 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: or haunt him? 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 3: I would say both. As I write in the book, 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 3: there is a condition that now modern psychology is caught 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 3: up called a twinless survivor. Obviously, losing your twin is hard. 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 3: They are connected in many ways through the soul and 10 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 3: the psyche, but a twinless survivor is a little bit 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 3: different because they are born with this terrible survivor's guilt. 12 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 3: They wonder, how come we had the same birth, but 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 3: I made it? What's going on? They feel there's a 14 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 3: huge void and they forever are seeking the answers to this. 15 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: And I compare him to other figures like Liberaci and 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: Philip K. Dick, who are also twinless survivors. So in 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 3: there are all three other cases. It became the greatest 18 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 3: drive or question in their lives. It really it drove 19 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 3: Elvis through most of his life, and because of his abilities, 20 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 3: Jesse also became sort of a guide, a figure that 21 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: it would appear in his dreams and visions, his conscious 22 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 3: that would move him to make the right decisions all 23 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 3: through his life. And what's interesting too, is now we 24 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 3: know through research that twinless survivors tend to be They 25 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 3: tend to be seeker. They want the big questions in life. 26 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 3: You know, why was in that with Elvis? Why was 27 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 3: I born poor? Suddenly I'm rich? Why can we've been rich? 28 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: If we'd had him in the hospital, he would have survived. 29 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: What happened. What happened, and it drove Elvis and twinless 30 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: survivors are speakers. But also there is almost a shadow 31 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 3: site to twinless survivors because of the psychic damage. They 32 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 3: tend to be workaholics, They tend to be self destructive, 33 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: they are prone to addiction, and they have problems connecting 34 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 3: with other individuals, especially the opposite sex. So as you 35 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 3: can see with Elvis, between the blue Light and Jesse, 36 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 3: it's almost like he was faded to be Elvis from 37 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: the very beginning. 38 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: So was his mystical path maybe an attempt to commune 39 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: with a missing half of his soul? 40 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 3: I would say so again, that's what really drove him. 41 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 3: I mean even Philip K. Dick talks about losing his 42 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: sister Jane and he said, this is the biggest event 43 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 3: of my life. And he says that everything he wrote, 44 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 3: everything from Total re wanted to break down the simulation 45 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 3: of the world and find out why does it happen, 46 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 3: what's the nature of evil and suffering? And it was 47 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: the same thing with Elvis. That's why he got into 48 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 3: alternative spirituality because he wanted to know what was going on. 49 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 3: He wanted to find the bigger answers in life and 50 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: try to make sure that Jesse's death was not in vain. 51 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: And again it drove him all through his life and 52 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: it was a huge factor and everything Elvis did. 53 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: I want to hear more about Elvis and UFOs. Just 54 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: before the Break, you mentioned that he and his father 55 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: Vernon had a UFO sighting and your outside in Graceland. 56 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: How many how many UFOs sightings did he have? Did 57 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: he did he believe that he was abducted? Tell me more. 58 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 59 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 3: It should be noted that Elvis was very sophisticated in 60 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 3: all his views and he was always way ahead of 61 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: the curve. Talked about his embracing of Hinduism and other 62 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 3: alternative spiritual modalities was way before the sixties movement, before 63 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: the Beatles, and when it came to UFOs, he was 64 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 3: also very sophisticated that he didn't just buy into or 65 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 3: believe that into the sort of combustion engine, little green 66 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 3: men attitude of UFOs in the late fifties early sixties. 67 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 3: He speculated on different theories and wag them all. For example, 68 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: he had read Bondanigin's Chariots of the Gods and he said, 69 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 3: you know, maybe the ancient alien theory could be right. 70 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 3: He thought, perhaps the aliens were sort of these ultra 71 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 3: terrestial beings that were using telepathy to stop humanity from 72 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 3: destroying itself. He was sophisticated enough to read, for example, 73 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 3: the Old Testament and the vision of Ezekiel in the 74 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 3: Wheels and think of this looks like alien. So he 75 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 3: didn't like today. He didn't really take one theory after another, 76 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 3: but he speculated a lot of what could be going on. 77 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 3: And he did have three what you might call traditional 78 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 3: extraterrestrial experiences like we mentioned. The one was in Graceland. 79 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 3: This was a traditional flying saucer. And again he and 80 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: Vernon saw it going around. That's when Vernon sort of went, 81 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 3: oh my god, the alien blue light in his mansion 82 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 3: in Belair. One time, he's outside with his bodyguards sunny West. 83 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: They see a light coming and flooding the area, and 84 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 3: at first they're like, well, maybe it's an airplane. Then 85 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 3: they're like, wow, it's getting so close. Maybe it's a helicopter. 86 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: And they're like, oh my god, this is too close. 87 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 3: It's not making a sound, it's flooding the area. They 88 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 3: freak out, this is something else. So Elvis tells Sonny 89 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: go inside, get Jerry shilling, my other my friend and 90 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 3: bodyguard goes inside. They come out and Elvis is gone, 91 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: and you know, and they're they're like, oh my god, 92 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 3: we had one job. Now our boss has been abducted 93 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 3: by aliens and the lights everywhere. So they're running around 94 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,119 Speaker 3: freaking out, screaming for Elvis, and finally they hear his voice, 95 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 3: I'm over here, boys, and Elvis is in the neighbor's 96 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 3: yard looking at the sky, watching this UFO disappear. Then 97 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: the third one, he was with Larry Geller and his 98 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 3: entourrs are driving from Memphis to La Remember in the sixties, 99 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: there was a point where Elvis would not take airplanes, 100 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 3: so he drove everywhere with his motor homes. And they're 101 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 3: in the desert in Arizona and they see these sort 102 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: of zigzagging lights. They get out of their vehicles and 103 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: they're just staring at it with their with their mouths open, 104 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: and Larry's like, could this be experimental craft? And Elvis 105 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 3: is like, nohow I was in the military. This is 106 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 3: I think our government could have done. And they simply 107 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 3: watched these lights do these incredible movements in the sky 108 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: and disappear. And then the Larry and Elvis and the 109 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: other time this you know, big metaphysical discussion about what 110 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: the aliens want with humanities, they speculated and all that. 111 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: So those are the three ones. And again Elvis was 112 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: never alone. He was always with other individuals who you 113 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: can trust. There I do talk about in the book. 114 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: One time he was with his super fan Wanda june Hill, 115 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: and he sort of mentioned, you know, I am not 116 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 3: from this world, I am from the ninth moon of Jupiter. 117 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 3: And she claims that his light, that his eyes started 118 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 3: glowing and his hair was fluttering and he looked like 119 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: an alien being. So that's a strange one, and Elvis 120 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 3: used to say often I am not of this world 121 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 3: two people, but you could take that as sort of 122 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 3: a Hindu metaphysical like, you know, I am from another 123 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,559 Speaker 3: higher plane, of another dimension, and so forth. 124 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: So those are. 125 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 3: Again the three major ones. But yes, Elvis was certainly 126 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: a big believer and extraterrestrials. He was a big trekkie. 127 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: He loved Star Trek. He loved Stanley Curits two thousand 128 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: and one at Space Odyssey, So he would have been 129 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,119 Speaker 3: right at home today with us in twenty twenty five. 130 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: Did he fear the public ever learning who he really was? 131 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 3: No, he didn't. I mean, Elvis did what Elvis wanted 132 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: to do. He never hit it, but he never but 133 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 3: he never broadcasted. When he became very spiritual, he drove 134 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 3: everybody crazy because he really changed. He was becoming very 135 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: detached to the material world. In fact, he almost quit 136 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: twice the entertainment business in the mid sixties. Wants to 137 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 3: become a Christian monk, and once he wanted to become 138 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 3: a Hindu monk. He wanted to just join Yoga Nanda's 139 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: ashram and just forget about it. But then he was 140 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: talked out of it. But he was also but again 141 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: he didn't hit it. He would hand out books, he 142 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 3: would have prayer and meditation circles. He would talk to 143 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 3: actors in Hollywood and groupies and just talk about spirituality. 144 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 3: He was so happy about it, but he didn't go 145 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 3: to the press. I mean, Elvis rarely went to the 146 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 3: press or you know, he didn't make it extra public, 147 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: if you know what I mean. But he did drive 148 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 3: people crazy, and it did become a threat to his 149 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: inner circle. Because even Priscilla and you can watch it 150 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 3: in Sofia Coppola's movie Priscilla. It's all there, Elvis, Larry Geller, 151 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 3: his spirituality. He started to become very detached to Priscilla. 152 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 3: He started to become very hard to get to by people, 153 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 3: and just very yeah, a very different person. So eventually 154 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: they put pressure on him to get back to being 155 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 3: the old Elvis. So what he simply did is he 156 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 3: told him yes, he said, okay, I'll finally marry Priscilla. 157 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 3: I'll get back to being an entertainer. But he just 158 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: went more underground. He would hide these books in his 159 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 3: Vegas suite or later on meet Larry Geller alone in secret, 160 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: just to keep the peace. 161 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: You know, what's interesting what I've learned from you is 162 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: that you weren't You didn't start out as an Elvis fan. 163 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 2: You really didn't know much about him. You just kind 164 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 2: of what there was kind of going back to our 165 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 2: first half of the show talking about serendipity, it was 166 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 2: all kind of I don't know, there was kind of 167 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 2: a synchronicity involved in you getting into this research, right, Yes. 168 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 3: As John and then famously said, life happens when you're 169 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: busy making other plans, and most of my life, my life, 170 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 3: my plans had nothing to do with Elvis. I was 171 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: always a crowd Beatles person. You know from the famous 172 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 3: scene in pulp fiction. You're either a Beatles person or 173 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: an Elvis person. You can like each other, but you 174 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,599 Speaker 3: cannot be the same, and who you are says a 175 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 3: lot about you. I was always a Beatles person. I 176 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 3: saw Elvis is simply sort of the uh, the pop 177 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: version of Mountain dew or McDonald's. Didn't think much about him. 178 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: I had read when I when I was younger, about 179 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 3: his occult interests and abilities, but I sort of wrote it. 180 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 3: I wrote it off like so many people, because I thought, 181 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 3: you know, this is just what rock stars are. They're eccentric, 182 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: you know, Hinduism and the Beatles and Salima and Jimmy 183 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 3: Page and Kabbala and David Bowie and astrology and Ronald 184 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 3: Reagan and so forth. So I sort of wrote it off, 185 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 3: and eventually I started respecting him musically. But yeah, it 186 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: was a series of strange events. As I like to say, 187 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: I became quantum entangled with Elvis. I don't I still 188 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: don't consider myself a fan. He's more like a friend 189 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 3: who needed a favor. But all of a sudden, all 190 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 3: these strange events and synchronicities kept putting Elvis in my psyche. 191 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 3: These included meeting people who would bring up Elvis out 192 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 3: of nowhere and them mentioning about is occult powers. I mean, going, 193 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: why are they bringing this up? There was a I 194 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: did a couple of ayahuasca ceremonies with Sansudai, me a 195 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: mystic Amazonian Christian church, and once I did them, suddenly 196 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 3: I couldn't get Elvis out of my hand, out of 197 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 3: my head. And then suddenly this this voice, it was 198 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 3: it was didn't have a sound, it was it was autonomous, 199 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 3: It was separate from me. It was in my head, 200 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 3: and it kept saying, there's a part of my story 201 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 3: that the world has missed, that they've overlooked, And I 202 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 3: want you to go and put it all together because 203 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: I want the world to see the Elvis that they 204 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 3: have missed, This spiritual Elvis, this deep finger, this seeker, 205 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: and really the very soul of America. I call Elvis 206 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 3: America shaman too. He is the Yeah, he is the 207 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 3: manifestation of the eggrigor the soul of America. And I 208 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: contend that in this year, in twenty twenty five, we're 209 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 3: losing the ability to understand what it is to be 210 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 3: in America, and we are fragmenting, we are losing our identity. 211 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 3: And who holds the soul of post war America. Who 212 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,599 Speaker 3: is the soul of post war America? It is Elvis. 213 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 3: He is truly a divine being, the image of the 214 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: archetype of the American dream. Yeah, I know I'm getting inspired, 215 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 3: but yeah, so I felt I was chosen to sort 216 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: of bring this story to people, and I hope it 217 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 3: helps them understand that there is something call America. There 218 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 3: are alternative spiritualities that can make us whole, that can 219 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 3: heal us, and there is something where you can break 220 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 3: your fake and break your fate and make a destiny. 221 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 3: Because it always seemed Elvis was so trapped by fate, 222 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 3: so trapped by fame, by his upbringing, by his trauma, 223 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 3: by everything, but he still always was able to look 224 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 3: for the divine, and he was still always able to 225 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 3: connect with his tribe and help us through so many doorways. 226 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: What was the point that you realize Elvis, the Elvis 227 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 2: soul to us, you know, the devout, the conservative, the 228 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: patriotic was just maybe a mask. I mean, was there 229 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: a moment that made the illusion crack and revealed the 230 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: magician beneath for you? No? 231 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 3: I mean I think he was a patriotic soldier. I 232 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 3: mean he was in the army, he loved, he loved 233 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 3: the soldiers. He was heard broken by the slaughter of 234 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 3: the Vietnam War. But he encompassed so much both the 235 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: material even shadowside of what America is, but also the 236 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 3: spiritual and the beautiful side of America. So I can't 237 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 3: say there was ever a moment when this voice came in. 238 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: I realized this voice was in, this voice was in pain, 239 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: and his voice had gone through so much, and they 240 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: simply wanted to tell the story. And the more I 241 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: started going down this rabbit hole, the more it was 242 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: so heartbreaking. Because he was an abused child, He went 243 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 3: through so much. He went through many challenges, including losing 244 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 3: his mother at a young age and so many other things. 245 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: But he kept seeking and he kept trying to make 246 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: this beautiful magic, the sound therapy for his audience. He 247 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: truly was what a shaman should be. And in the 248 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 3: book I talk about how when you look at you 249 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 3: compare shaman's across the world, Elvis really fits the bill 250 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 3: of what a shaman is. He's America shaman. 251 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: How I mean, how how did he use his music? 252 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: I mean, did he did he try to encode his 253 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: message into his songs or how was he using his 254 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: instrument his voice to heal? 255 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: Well, Yeah, that's an interesting one because you're talking about 256 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 3: somebody who so many people, including his music teachers, did 257 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 3: he had an average voice. They always thought, well, he's 258 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 3: a good looking guy, good looking teenager, but he just 259 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 3: he just has an average voice. And he didn't even 260 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 3: know how to read or write music. But there was 261 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 3: a power, there was a magic in his voice. It's 262 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 3: almost like and he knew because Elvis always said, I 263 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 3: know every religious song in the world. He would look 264 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 3: at blues and gospels, and I say, I feel the 265 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 3: pain and the plight of these people that were taken 266 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 3: into this world and now live in a diaspora. I 267 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: feel the pain and the struggles of the farmer out there. 268 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 3: And he understood again what it was to be in 269 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 3: America and the suffering, especially those in the South during 270 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: the Great Depression, the outsider and the working class. He 271 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 3: understood their pain, and it's almost like he could tap 272 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 3: into it and bring it out. He never wrote any 273 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 3: of his songs, but he chose these songs, and he 274 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: had a way of just bringing his own sound therapy 275 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 3: and make it his own and make it almost therapeutic. 276 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 3: And that's you see that by his concerts. 277 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 278 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot 279 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: com for more