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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to a bonus episode of I Saw

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Speaker 1: What You Did. My name is Millie to Jericho, I'm

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Speaker 1: Danielle Henderson, and are you ready for some bonus, some extra.

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Speaker 2: It's I Saw What You Did unfiltered. Can you imagine

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Speaker 2: if we were filtered on the pod on the main feed?

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Speaker 1: I know, I I don't know if I told you this,

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Speaker 1: but someone that's friends with my mom or somebody like

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Speaker 1: on Facebook heard like one of the audiograms and was like,

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Speaker 1: oh the cussing, like oh my god, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: ah ah whatever, Like I don't know, Like at this point,

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Speaker 1: I'm like that that is the least of my fucking concerns.

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Speaker 2: Really exact well said, Well said, make that audiogram, send

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Speaker 2: it to her directly.

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Speaker 1: I know. I was like, when you're out here just

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Speaker 1: offending everybody saying a couple f bombs is nothing, no situation?

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Speaker 1: Or are you offending? No, I'm kidding, I hope not.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I'm I don't know, who knows.

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Speaker 2: Just a wide blanket of just in case, just in

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Speaker 1: Exactly that's going to carry us over for the next

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Speaker 1: sixty years. Or how while we're doing this podcast, what's

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Speaker 1: going on with you? You're all right? Today?

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Speaker 3: Not much is going on.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to dig into this new bonus ape format.

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Speaker 1: Oh why don't you explain what we're attempting for this episode.

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Speaker 2: We we have a lot of movies in our in

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Speaker 3: Our list is immense. Sometimes though, there's.

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Speaker 2: Just one movie where we just want to talk about

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Speaker 2: just just go for it. So that's what we're doing today. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna do this again. We're gonna take turns doing them.

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Speaker 2: This is all just like fun, it's a bonus.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be a lot looser, as you know, so

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Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna miss a lot of things, like if

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Speaker 1: Well, and I'll tell you why. First of all, let

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Speaker 1: further this shrade. So for this episode, I really need

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Speaker 1: to talk about The Prince of Tides. Yes you Do

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Speaker 1: from nineteen ninety one, directed by Opera Streis and Hello,

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Speaker 3: Jump in? Look?

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Speaker 2: This is this is your your passion project today.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I have a lot to say. The only thing

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Speaker 1: Tom Wingo and his twin sister and the older brother.

430
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: You know, they have this mother who's this kind of beautiful,

431
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: cold maybe in a lot of a lot of ways.

432
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: She's definitely like married to the worst dude ever. He

433
00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: is a total piece of shit, and she is kind

434
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: of bound to him, and she's just kind of always

435
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: looking for a way out and she wants to be

436
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: like upwardly mobile. So she's like, I want to get

437
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: out of this flophouse and I want to like, you know,

438
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: move on to the big time whatever that is, like

439
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: marrying a rich politician or something like that. And there

440
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: is a very very hardcore scene that happens in the

441
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: movie where again I I'm just going to give you

442
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: a little warning that this is what I'm about to

443
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: talk about it. But you know, essentially, one night, the

444
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: dad's gone and the mother and the three kids are

445
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: at home and three escaped prisoners break into their house

446
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: and essentially they rape the mother and the twins, including Tom,

447
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: and it's traumatic like it like you know, it's it's

448
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: just traumatic, and it's very jarring in the film because

449
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: the way that Tom is talking about it is that

450
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: he's talking about it in flashback as he's discussing it

451
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: with Low and Stea, Right, So it's kind of that

452
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: thing where it's the big family secret where no one's

453
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: ever talked about it. They're not supposed to talk about

454
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: it because Luke, their older son, comes in while it's

455
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: happening and basically kills the inmates. Basically, he kills two

456
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: of them, and then the mother stabs the last one

457
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: in the back and they bury the bodies. They don't

458
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: tell the police, they don't tell anybody that it happened.

459
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: In fact, the dad comes home hours later and they're

460
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: like having a fucking family dinner where no one is

461
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: say it anything that literally just happened.

462
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: They just it was washing blood off the walls, yes,

463
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: And then they're having dinner.

464
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: Right, And it's that kind of thing where you know,

465
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: they're not supposed to talk about it because as far

466
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: as their mother has told them, it never happened. Right,

467
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: And so this is all obviously like bottled up trauma

468
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: that his entire family has experienced. And you know, when

469
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: he's talking about it, it's after many interactions with Lowenstein,

470
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: and you could tell that there's something dangling that hasn't

471
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: been you know, reached for you. And then finally when

472
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: he talks about it, it's like his big Catharsis and

473
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: it obviously drives him in Lowenstein closer because she's here

474
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: for him and wants to, you know, help him process

475
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: the feelings behind it. But it's that thing where like

476
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: his his his coping mechanism for his life is to

477
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: be funny. And I think that that's a common thing

478
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: for people like I think that people who have experienced

479
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: a lot of pain and a lot of trauma have

480
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: a lot of times used humor to like diffuse it.

481
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: And he and he claims it's the Southern way, right,

482
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: which I can I can understand that because that is

483
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: I think that is something that I did see as

484
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: part of I think a Southern I don't know if

485
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: it's a Southern tradition, but it is sort of in

486
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: the ether of being Southern is that you sort of

487
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: are very polite and you don't really like air out

488
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: your dirty laundry for people, and it's so much easier

489
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: to make a joke about something than to like really

490
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: tackle it, you know.

491
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also I mean at that look, I've had

492
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: a couple of therapists tell me like, oh, you use

493
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: humor to deflect a lot, and I'm like, I'm sorry, what,

494
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: Like it really throws me off every time because I'm

495
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: I'm glad that I have a sense of humor, but

496
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: I do also realize what they say, which is what

497
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: they're saying, which is like, you know, you're talking about

498
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: something intense right now. You should not be thrown in

499
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: a joke like sit with the feeling. And this is

500
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: I think in the movie what we're seeing is with

501
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: low and seen. Even though he's not officially in therapy,

502
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: this is the first time that he's feeling his feelings.

503
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: The craziest part is that that moment where after he

504
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: kind of reveals the entire story and he does that

505
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: whole And that's what I like about this half, Like

506
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: that whole moment. It's like that to me is absolutely

507
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: what he's been doing his whole life is he's basically

508
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: been like I'm just all I'm doing is putting on

509
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: a show to mask everything else, you know.

510
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: And you can you can tell from the beginning of

511
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: the movie. What I really liked about the pace of

512
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: the movie and the way it's set up is that

513
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: you really get to see kind of the gentleness and

514
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: the beauty of this island they grew up on and

515
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: their dad was a shrimper, and you know, their mom

516
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: was you know, kind of fun and kind of hung

517
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: out with them and they had their own little world

518
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: as kids. And then when you see him as an adult,

519
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: he has such a frenetic energy where he's just constantly

520
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: making jokes, like his wife is trying to talk to

521
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: him about serious shit and he's just making jokes and

522
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: like you know, laughing with the kids, and it is like, oh, oh, oh, yeah,

523
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: I can see how this energy that he's bringing in

524
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: the movie in the beginning was really compelling.

525
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: And I think, like, Nick Nolty is incredible in this movie. Yeah.

526
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: And the thing that is really interesting about him as

527
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: an actor is that, of course now everybody sort of

528
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: like he's like this kind of running joke for people

529
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: as the guy that had the crazy mug shot and

530
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: was you know, basically like pulled over for d y

531
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: and then had that like crazy hair and in his picture,

532
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: and I think people kind of say, oh, he's just

533
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: kind of this like wild dude, you know, classic like

534
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: wild guy actor. But it wasn't until I saw this

535
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: movie that I was like, oh, man, he's actually incredible,

536
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: Like he's an incredible actor, and his character, You're right,

537
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: he's like mercurial, he's very passionate. He has like a

538
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: very very you know, quick temper, but also he's very

539
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: charming because he's had to be. He's had to present

540
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: this like, you know, funny, like entertaining guy. But then

541
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: when he gets pushed even like a little bit about something,

542
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: he completely flips the fuck out.

543
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

544
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: But then also his Southerness is involved too, where he

545
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: is gentlemanly and he says ma'am and he's you know,

546
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: so he's got like all these like different like energies

547
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: kind of at the same time, and that's compelling I

548
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: think as as a viewer, like I'm like, oh my god,

549
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: he's kind of like it's very I can't take my

550
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: eyes off of him. On top of that, he's got

551
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: to me kind of that like southern guy look, classic

552
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: Southern guy. Look.

553
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: He will wear suspenders to a party.

554
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's wearing a seersucker suit. At one point I

555
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: was like, yes, yes, sir, doing a lot of like

556
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: I guess they're kind of like a J Cruey type

557
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: of plaid shirt tucked into like you know, cheetos, like

558
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: playing front Cheetos, and it also wearing a lot of

559
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: like like sweat shirt old school sweatshirts, which I love.

560
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: But the other thing about him, and this is that

561
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: he is smoking.

562
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: Cigarettes, oh constantly, non stop. He's a football coach and

563
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: he smokes cigarettes non stop all over the place, everywhere.

564
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: Okay, but did it make you think nobody smokes in

565
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: movies anymore? Oh? Completely?

566
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: I was like, it's so jarring to see because you

567
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: never see it anymore.

568
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, imagine Jason Bateman because I'm like, Okay, he's

569
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: basically like Jason Bateman wears the same clothes that's right

570
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 1: wingo where. So if you watch it a Jason Bateman movie,

571
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: imagine Jason Bateman with his rolled up sleeves on his

572
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: j blue shirts, smoking cigarettes everywhere. You never see that.

573
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: It was as one after the other. It's so fucking funny.

574
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: I didn't when this movie came out. I didn't think

575
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: it was going to ever be a period piece. But

576
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: the fact that he smokes so much makes it a

577
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: period piece to me, because I'm like, you, just like,

578
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: this is so clearly the nineties, because this doesn't exist, Like,

579
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 2: he smokes in bars, he smokes in restaurants, he smokes

580
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 2: in stores, he smokes in offices everywhere.

581
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, There's two things for me that I have said

582
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: are like the dead giveaways to an older movie. One

583
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: is luggage that doesn't have wheels. Yep, So anytime somebody

584
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: is hand carrying luggage, there's not a roll aboard. It's

585
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: like old school luggage and cigarettes. And this movie's got boat.

586
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: It's got it all. Baby, it's an old old movie.

587
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: But I honestly, to me, like, for all the moments

588
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: where he's like flipping the fuck out, he there are

589
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: moments where he's incredibly charmed to where I'm like, do

590
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: I have a crush on Nick Nolty from the Prince

591
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: of Ties? What the fuck isn't he like fifty years

592
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: old in this movie?

593
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: Oh god, I think he's eighty now. Like I looked

594
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: him up. He's eighty years old now. So he was

595
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: definitely middle aged when you mean this movie well and.

596
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: Funny you say that because you know, as we've gone

597
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: on record, we love a middle aged guy. We love

598
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: a cholesterol pill, we love a gray hair, so he

599
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: is within our age range for sure. But also just like,

600
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: having never really felt anything for Nick Nolty like ever, yeah,

601
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: now I'm like, and I don't know if it's because

602
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm just seeing him in this comfortable character, like seeing

603
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: him as like a guy that you know, like maybe

604
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: one of my elementary school teachers or somebody that I

605
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: sort of knew from that era, from this part of

606
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: the world that I'm very closely identified with. Like I'm yeah,

607
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: I think I might have a crush on middle aged

608
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: Nick Nolty in The Prince of Tides.

609
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 2: Dudes, I don't know, to be fair, all I knew

610
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 2: of Nick Nolty before this was like forty eight hours,

611
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: like the forty eight hour series Death, and he was

612
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: just kind of like the funny sidekit cop, which is

613
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 2: not an attractive look to me.

614
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And I just I don't know. It really

615
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: throws me for a loop. But I will say this,

616
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: I've heard this rumor and I was like literally on

617
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: the internet before we got on the camera, frantically searching this.

618
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: I can't really find any super hard evidence, but I

619
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: have found a few articles that suggested that said that

620
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: Barbara Streisan when she made The Prince of Tides, she

621
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: fell in love with the character of Tom Wingo and

622
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: like had a full on crush on Nick Nolty as

623
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: his character in this movie.

624
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 3: How do you even separate that.

625
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: What is those are some incredible psychological leaps that are

626
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: happening there.

627
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: Wow, I know, And at this point I'm like, bitch,

628
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: I get that shit. Like, Yeah, he's a he's a

629
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: fine Southern gentleman. He's a little you know, giving you

630
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: a little wink. He's a little sweetheart, he's a little tender.

631
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: He's like a broken little bird coming to your office.

632
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: Come on, what's not.

633
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 2: She's she's one hundred percent like high powered New York

634
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: City psychiatrist, Like he is not of her world. So

635
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: it makes total sense in that opposites attract kind of way.

636
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that's a big part of this movie because

637
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: basically they're coming from two different places, right and like

638
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 1: she is like totally New York, Like she is wearing

639
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: the power skirts with the matching pantyhose. I don't even know.

640
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: I could probably go two hours or more just on

641
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: her fucking fingernails. Those.

642
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: Okay, a six inch French manicue is all I want

643
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 2: to talk about.

644
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: Barbi Straa Zann is all about her nails. There have

645
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: been interviews with her, She's talked about them. Basically, she's like,

646
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: these aren't falsees bitch, these are real because she's always

647
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: had incredible nails. Like even in the way we were,

648
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: she had those like red fingernails. Yeah, and so she's

649
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: very very vain about her fingernails for good reason, because

650
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: they're incredible.

651
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 3: Because she knows they're the shit.

652
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: Well.

653
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: And this is the other part of this component. I mean,

654
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: there's so many like working parts of my love for

655
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: this film, my obsession with this film, and it's because

656
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: she is this type of woman that I just did

657
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: not have access to. Like she is this power psychiatrist

658
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: New York. She's wearing the like there's a lot of

659
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: like in this movie, there's a lot of tans and browns. Yeah, waves,

660
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: it's very like muted. Her world is very like muted,

661
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: classy New York doctor looks, you know what I mean.

662
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 3: Very beige, very beige, very of the moment.

663
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 1: Yes, very like cashmere sweater hanging off a shoulder, tan

664
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: tan or like a light brown.

665
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: And let's not forget she's got the an incredible array

666
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: of skirt suits. Yes, very brown, very beige, but skirt suits.

667
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: She's got those legs, like the legs meaning the egg,

668
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: the brand legs, the egg from the drug store that

669
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: has the pantyhose and like an off black, there's an

670
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: off black. There's a tope, you know, a sun tan.

671
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: You can see a sun tan pantyhose once in a while.

672
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: I mean, this shit was unheard of for me when

673
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: I was like eleven years old, I was like, who

674
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: the fuck? Like only older women who are fa fancy,

675
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: we're panteos. This is insane.

676
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: I love pantiose as a mark of.

677
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: That's all success. And let me just tell you something.

678
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: There's a scene, there's a whole sequence in this movie

679
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: that literally makes me scream. I scream with delight and

680
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: a little bit of horror. I'm not gonna lie when

681
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: they go to that fucking lake house. I know. The

682
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: lakehouse sequence is unbelievable.

683
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 2: It is so like, again, mark of a professional adult

684
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: New Yorker. I've got a house upstate. It's secluded, it's

685
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: on a lake. We're gonna we can sit out and

686
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: look at the stars. There is a scene where, because

687
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: at this point they're in full thrall, like they are

688
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: in their affair in a very big way. He's had

689
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: his Cathar and now they're just in love. And there's

690
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 2: two scenes about this lake house that just kill me.

691
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: One when she says, can you just take me in

692
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: the house so we can make love all night? And

693
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: he says, I've got a lot of stuff to teach

694
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: you about the outdoors.

695
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: Lose it, lose it in several ways.

696
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: Screaming, weeping, like just it runs the gamut, but it

697
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: makes me react every time I see it. And then

698
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: there's also a scene where there's a fire going inside.

699
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: He's sitting in a rocking chair and she's curled up

700
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: on his lap like a fucking kitten.

701
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: This is a full size woman. This is a full.

702
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: Size adult woman, and she's just curled up on him

703
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: and he's rocking in the rocking chair, and I'm.

704
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: Like, do it is?

705
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 3: This?

706
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: Is this sexy? Like what is happening right now?

707
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 3: There's a lot of emotions. I don't know.

708
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: It is one of the most deeply weird moments I've

709
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: ever seen on film, because I'm basically like, the fuck

710
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: are you doing? I'm like a cracker barrel esque rocking

711
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: chair on this man's lap, like is that? Like what

712
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: the fuck? And she's curled up in this like big

713
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: sweater with these socks on, and.

714
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is fucked up, like this looks weird,

715
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: and I get what they're trying to telegraph here. I

716
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: get what they're saying is like he's taking care of her,

717
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: he's caring for her, and she's usually the person that

718
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: cares for everyone else or other people. But it's just

719
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 2: weird looking and it's weird feeling. And she directed that shit.

720
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: She's like, here's what's up. I'm gonna jump in his

721
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: lap like a fucking golden retriever and you'all gonna just

722
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: deal with it. And I can imagine everyone on that

723
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: set was like, I'm sorry, what ma'am.

724
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you something about Barbara Stride's hand. Okay,

725
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: this is a woman who knows how to make herself

726
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: look good as fuck on a movie.

727
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: Yep.

728
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: When she comes on the screen, it's like a fucking

729
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: angelic light from heaven is being cast on her. Okay,

730
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: where she looks like golden. She's golden, right, because why

731
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: the fuck not. She's making this fucking movie. She wants

732
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: to look good. Put her in some golden ass lights.

733
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: Make the other person look like complete shit. You can

734
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: give that guy Smoker's lines, like he could be sweating

735
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: and doing whatever the fuck. As long as she looks

736
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: like lit with like the light from you know, the gods,

737
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: it don't matter.

738
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: I mean, every time she's on screen it looks like

739
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: one of those Instagram filters where it puts like sparkles

740
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: yeah on you, or like little star marks on you.

741
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 1: I'm like wow. And you know, people got a rider

742
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: for that a little bit. They're like, well, God, here

743
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: goes Barber Streising again, looking hot, making herself look hod.

744
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, I would be doing the same ass, shank.

745
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: That's why I don't direct, and so they.

746
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 3: Everyone needs to admit it. Everyone else would be doing this.

747
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: Yes, of course, of course you would, and of course

748
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: you'd be casting yourself being in the rocking chair on

749
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: top of Nick Nolty, who presume. I don't know if

750
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: Nick Nolty is like Bigfoot. I can't get a read

751
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: on how big he is, but I was like, this

752
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: still looks weird. I don't care if he's like seven four,

753
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: like he still should not be good. She looks like

754
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: a little adult baby in his art. So it's so strange.

755
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: It's very disconcerting. She looks tiny and like not human.

756
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: All the way.

757
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 3: It's like a little alien egg kind of thing going

758
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: on there.

759
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, and let me just tell you. Okay,

760
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: So the scene before the lake House, because the lake

761
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 1: House is literally my favorite slash. It's like I love

762
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: it and sort of hate it, but I think it's

763
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: because I'm just like, this is some this is some

764
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: fucking cringe, but I love it. The scene before the

765
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: whole reason why the the flirtation and connection hadn't taken

766
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: off yet is because you know, basically you had to

767
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: give the movie time to let everyone see what a

768
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: piece of shit Lowenstein's husband is. Yep. And it's that

769
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: classic scenario where he's this European violin virtuoso and they

770
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: have like a penthouse apartment in some real fancy part

771
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: of town in New York, and they're having a dinner

772
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: party and everybody's wearing cocktail attire and he has to

773
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: be like the guy that's just making fun of her,

774
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: making fun of Tom because he shows up, and it's

775
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: that thing where like, you really had to give it

776
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: time to let you see what an evil European artist

777
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: would do to like bring these two together.

778
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: And his wife, let's be fair, His wife, when he

779
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 2: gets to New York tells him.

780
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 3: She's having an affair. She's a doctor.

781
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: She's having an affair with another person at the hospital,

782
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: another doctor, and then she just drops on him, Hey,

783
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: this guy wants to marry me, Like what, so you.

784
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: Don't I don't know.

785
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 2: I don't think his wife is played by Blythe Danner.

786
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: I don't think she's like a horrible person. But it's

787
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: definitely like an ill timed sort of marriage where I

788
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, when you're in New York taking

789
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: care of your sister who just tried to commit suicide,

790
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: this may not be the moment to drop all these bombs.

791
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And this whole, the whole, like the motivation

792
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: for these two, for Tom and Lowenstein to get together.

793
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 3: It's a little.

794
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: TVD because, Okay, first of all, in the Lowenstein case,

795
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: you definitely are like, yeah, she should definitely cheat on

796
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: that guy because he sucks. He's like an evil European

797
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: like he's like a die hard villain, Like he's like

798
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: one of those types you know. But then with Blithe Danner,

799
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: she's it's that thing where you're like, oh, I know

800
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: what she's trying to say. She's basically like, we haven't

801
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: been together for a long time, like we just are

802
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: not connecting because you simply cannot be an adult about

803
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: your emotions. So now I'm being driven to another relationship,

804
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: and it's the kind of ultimatum that she's putting on him,

805
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: like either let's work on your shit or like, I'm

806
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: out because this other guy that I'm having an affair

807
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 1: with wants to marry me. Right, So it's this little

808
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: thing where he's kind of like, well, I don't know,

809
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: I'm having a real good time here in New York

810
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: because initially he hates it because he's Southern, and he's like,

811
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: I hate New York. It's too loud. Shrimp costs too much.

812
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 3: If I know anything, I know how much shrimp should cost,

813
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: and it is not this.

814
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, in this fancy New York, shrimp is like two dollars.

815
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: It should be like fifty cents or I don't know,

816
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: Like who the fuck knows, So what's the shrimp costs

817
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: of the day? I don't know.

818
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: Well, he's also, I mean, to be fair, he is

819
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: falling in love with a woman who owns an excessive

820
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: amount of candleabras, So I would think that New York

821
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: was a little too fancy as well. I mean candle

822
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: obras at the lake House. That dinner party was lit

823
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: entirely by candle operas, to the point where I thought,

824
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: I always think of candle obras as like something you

825
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: inherit not something you go out and buy.

826
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 3: She had eighty of them easily.

827
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: I always think about this. This happens in literary movie

828
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: where I'm like, who the fuck has time to light

829
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: like eighty candles before having sex? Honestly, like, is.

830
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 3: This fucking Downton Abbey.

831
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: You don't need to walk through the hallways with a candleabra.

832
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: That's the reason why they had them, shits, is because

833
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: there was no electricity. Okay, this is like nineteen ninety one.

834
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: We don't need all these candilabers. It's just decorative and

835
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: you don't gotta light all of them.

836
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: If you're doing sexy living in midair with candlabras, my

837
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: ass is gonna think you're too fancy.

838
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: As well. From anywhere that I live, I could live

839
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: down the stret New York.

840
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: I can live in the village in New York and

841
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 2: still think I felt like a yokel compared to the

842
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: mount of candelabras in this house.

843
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: You either be in Dracula's castle or at Lowenstate's lake house.

844
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: That's where gonna see those candles lit. But the the

845
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: thing that's so interesting to me is that, like, so

846
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: they go from the party where the evil European husband

847
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: is like fucking you know, taking the piss out of everybody,

848
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: and then they immediately like go back to I guess

849
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: it's Savannah Savannah's apartment. So basically Tom is staying in

850
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: Savanna's apartment. By the way, Just as a side note,

851
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: George Carlin, Oh, thank you, plays Savannah's neighbor. He I

852
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: don't know he's he's a gay man. I don't know

853
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: if they're living in the village. I don't know what

854
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: neighborhood it's in. Maybe you would know it.

855
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: Looks like downtown like it looks or at least like

856
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: like downtown East villagey.

857
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: Maybe George Carlin is such a goddamned light And actually

858
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 1: his relationship with Tom is very sweet to me. I

859
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: love it, yes, because Tom is like you can just

860
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: tell Tom loves George Carlin's character. It's not this weird like, oh,

861
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: you're a gay dude from New York. I hate New York,

862
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: you know, blah, blah blah blah. It's like no, he

863
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: falls and they fall into the old friendship the minute

864
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: he sees him. It's so sweet.

865
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 2: They have their own language like it is. It's really beautiful.

866
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: It's so fun and funny. And when she leaves this party,

867
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: when she runs out after Tom, who's just like Pace,

868
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: and she goes with him and they go back to

869
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: Savannah's house and just.

870
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: Like, you know, fuck all night.

871
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: The next morning, George Carlin comes in because of course

872
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 2: he has a key to the apartment. Of course, he

873
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: comes in with like baked goods for the morning, and

874
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: Lowenstein and the George Carlin character they know each other.

875
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: They're actually friends, Like he's the one who recommended this

876
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: therapist to Savannah. So they hang out socially. And so

877
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: when he comes in with this like bag of fucking

878
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: bake goods, she tries to she's wrapped in a sheet

879
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 2: and she tries to like run back to the bedroom

880
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 2: and he's like, oh, hi, Susan, do you like your

881
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: croissant buttered? And this is my favorite moment of this

882
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 2: movie because it's so pure and I don't know that

883
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if it was completely ad libbed.

884
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: She starts laughing, and she just goes ask him and

885
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: she runs back into the bedroom.

886
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 3: And it's so cute.

887
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: Lowenstein has bars. Okay, when it comes down to it, like,

888
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: it's so funny because it's like the fucking first half

889
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: of this movie. Man, she is like real buttoned up,

890
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: old psychiatrist type. And then the minute they do a

891
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 1: little butt grabbing, did you notice that, like in the hallway,

892
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: that's how they begin to sort of take it to

893
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: the physical realm, is that they're grabbing each other's buns.

894
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 2: I mean, buns were hot in the late eighties, early nineties.

895
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 2: Could not get enough buns.

896
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: This is the one thing I gleaned from shit like

897
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: this when I was a kid, was that adult women

898
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: love buns. They love some buns, buns of steel, they

899
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: like firefighter buns, and they just want to grab onto

900
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: the buns. They just want to hold on.

901
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 2: I remember my aunt Evelyn obsessed with George Michael. And

902
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: when obsessed and George Michael rests in peace, gave us

903
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 2: nothing but buns for decades, just buns all over the place.

904
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 2: In the eighties, she was obsessed with that man's ass.

905
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: When you shake your ass, they notice fast and he

906
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: certainly he certainly shook it. He shook it, Yes, he

907
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: shook it.

908
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, they have a real torrid love affair that

909
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: starts with grabbing the cakes.

910
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: Grabbing the cakes, and then I also I appreciate this too,

911
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: where you know that they've been intimate because they're both

912
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: covered in sheets, like when somebody puts a sheet over

913
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: their chest and it's like, oh, that was great.

914
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, that's I'm laughing because I thought, like, oh,

915
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: is that what sex is? Like you just lay around

916
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 2: in the sheet when I was a kid, because that's

917
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: the only kind of sex scenes I saw were like,

918
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: no one's showing you the actual act, thankfully when I

919
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: was a kid, you don't need to see that. But

920
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 2: every love scene was like just sheets and also just

921
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: like wrapped around and just always tucked in the armpit, yes,

922
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: like real tight and like how big are these sheets

923
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: where you can like fully mummify two adult people. They've

924
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: got like king sized sheets on a twin size bed,

925
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: like they are just wrapped tucked in man always white

926
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: sheets always.

927
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 1: That's when you know it's like like you can tell

928
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: that there's something going on when their sheets are just

929
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: kind of moving up and down. It's like some funk

930
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: he's going on, just these white sheets, and it's either

931
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: like afterwards, we're either spooning in the sheets with everyone's

932
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: tight tuck under the armpit, or smoking with the sheets up. Yep, choose,

933
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: choose your own adventure. When it comes to that.

934
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 2: This episode should definitely be called smoking in the sheets.

935
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: Smoking in the sheets exactly. But this, but this laghouse

936
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: scene again is literally my favorite thing because it's so corny.

937
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: It's like, let's watch two middle aged people falling in

938
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: love outside. They're doing the fucking like, let's bring groceries

939
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: to our lakehouse. We'll just crack all the eggs on

940
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 1: the on the floor because we just can't stop making love.

941
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: We can't stop. And you know, they're like taking boats

942
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 1: and going hiking. It's like a fucking ll Bean catalog

943
00:54:58,840 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 1: up in that shit.

944
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: She is like she's bralis hiking, which I thought was fascinating.

945
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other the other component to this movie too,

946
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: is that Barbara Streisand's son, Bernard, who by the way,

947
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 1: is her real son. I don't know if he knew

948
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: that he is the son of Barbara and Elliott gould Ugh,

949
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: whom we are horny for certainly, But he's in the

950
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: movie playing her son, and he's this you know again,

951
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: he's this guy who has to be a violin player

952
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: because his shitty ass dad is making him go to

953
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: like violin camp or whatever the fuck he's going to.

954
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: Also, I know he was a teenager in this movie,

955
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 2: but it was a very nebulous age. He could have

956
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: been fourteen to nineteen, like, I don't know, but he's

957
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: still in school, so I'm guessing he's, you know, fifteen, sixteen,

958
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

959
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a mouth of like a thirty five

960
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: year old. He was like cussin', you know. But it

961
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: was that thing where it was like he has to

962
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: play violin to satisfy his dad. But guess what, he

963
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: also wants to play football. And guess who knows a

964
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 1: little something about football is Tom Winko. And Barbara basically

965
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: gets Tom to show them how to play football. So

966
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 1: there's all these extended scenes of like the sun playing

967
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: football with Tom, Tom is smoking while playing football nineties

968
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: the nineties, and then there's a scene later where Barbara

969
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: and Tom are playing a little football, a little touch football,

970
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: get it? Sexual at the lake House, and she the

971
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: close ups of her butt in those tight sweatpants. I'm like, girl, yes,

972
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 1: like a this is fucking crazy, but do it show

973
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: them your ass?

974
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 2: It was this is a pre jogger's time. I had

975
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 2: never seen sweatpants that tight in my life. And of

976
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: course the those were tailored. They were like beige.

977
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: So I was like, are we seeing some kind of

978
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 1: separation here? I don't know what I'm seeing right now.

979
00:56:59,680 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: It was.

980
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: It's again like many disturbing scenes at the lake House

981
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 2: that upon closer inspection, make no sense, and that is

982
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 2: one of them.

983
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: Also, the whole scene.

984
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: I was completely baffled that she would even attempt to

985
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: catch a football with those nails.

986
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 1: I know, she's just she palmed it. Basically, she was like, hm, hmm,

987
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: don't these are six inch real ass nails. You will

988
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: not see me catching this football. Hell no. The one

989
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: thing I wished to God she would have done, though,

990
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: is smoked a cigarette, because I love a cigarette nail,

991
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: Like a nail coming off of a cigarette like very

992
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: glamorous for me. Surprised she didn't do it, I know,

993
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: But so anyway, what ends up happening is exactly what

994
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: you think happens, which is that Tom's wife comes a

995
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 1: call in Okay, they've gone through the lake house, They've

996
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: they've bonded, they've been dancing at the Rainbow Room to

997
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: like some fuckin classic American psalmbook jam and Savannah has

998
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: gotten better. She's starting to, you know, come out of

999
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: her haze. And Tom has worked on himself. And just

1000
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: when you think, oh my god, these two people they

1001
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: could work, Blinth Danner shows up back in the picture.

1002
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: Gwyneth Paltrow's mom ruins the fun again, ruins.

1003
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: The fun again, and Tom basically says, you know what,

1004
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: like I got some kids. All my daughters are gorgeous.

1005
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: All of them are gorgeous. I guess that's what happens

1006
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: when Blanth dan jaw that little girl. That's my favorite

1007
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: part of the movie too, is where it's a very

1008
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: small part where he's in New York and it's like

1009
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: his youngest daughter's birthday and he's calling her and he's

1010
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: basically like there, you know, it's basically like a is

1011
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: he gonna come home for her? And she gets on

1012
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: the phone. She's like you miss her day? You I mean,

1013
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: she's like, kids are adorable. Little sassy pants. But essentially

1014
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: it happens where he realizes, Oh, I can't this is

1015
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: this is I've been here for six weeks. I can

1016
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: no longer do this. I have an obligation to my girls,

1017
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: to my wife, to the state of South Carolina. I

1018
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: must go home. And they have a very very emotional reckoning.

1019
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 3: Oh Barbara's good at a fawn farewell.

1020
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: Yes, she pounds them on the back with those nails.

1021
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: Like what's her line? She goes, one of the things

1022
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: I love about you. He's the kind of guy I

1023
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: always go back to his family. Pooh pooh.

1024
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 3: A very emotional scene. I teared up this time.

1025
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn. They both found real love. The timing

1026
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: was off.

1027
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 3: It ain't gonna work.

1028
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: It's rough. He says to her, you know it. She's like,

1029
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: you love her more and he's like, no, I've just

1030
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: loved her longer.

1031
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 2: Which Oh sam Son knife to the heart.

1032
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: Conroy, damn, damn. But I do.

1033
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 2: Think without this parting we would not have had what is,

1034
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 2: to me the most incredible part of the film. When

1035
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 2: he goes back to South Carolina. He's got his mojo back.

1036
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 2: She changed his life. He's teaching He's like fucking Robin

1037
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 2: Williams and dead Poet Society. Like he's just doing his

1038
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 2: thing back with his family, back coaching, and he drives

1039
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,439
Speaker 2: home every day over a bridge and when he gets

1040
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: to the top of the bridge, he doesn't know why,

1041
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 2: but he just likes his whisper Low and Stein, Low

1042
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 2: and Steen, and I'm like, bitch, I'm done for the night.

1043
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 3: I can't goodbye, goodbye.

1044
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: All I want. Let's just be real.

1045
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: All I want from any future relationship I have is

1046
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 2: for someone who probably owns a jacket that smells like

1047
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 2: gasoline and just calls me by my last name. That's

1048
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 2: all I want. Just be my fucking pal be chummy.

1049
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I mean, listen, when it comes down

1050
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: to it, I think I have fallen in love with

1051
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: Tom Winko as well. I mean I think I have.

1052
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: I really do, because there are moments where I'm just

1053
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: sort of like, especially when they show like a brief

1054
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: two second clip of him teaching when he was wearing

1055
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: those glasses. I was like, hello, what's wrong with me?

1056
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 2: I mean, he shows you the full spectrum of masculinity

1057
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: and love.

1058
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: What do you want? Who's perilous against that? Who can resist.

1059
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: I mean, dare I say he's like the perfect man?

1060
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I can say that,

1061
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: but it certainly feels that way. It certainly feels like

1062
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: Barbara has told us he is.

1063
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,439
Speaker 3: Whole movie was a love letter to the Tom Wingo.

1064
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, and like, you know, I I

1065
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: feel like she did that shit right. She was basically like,

1066
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna star in this shit. I'm gonna make myself

1067
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: look like I'm under the vasileene haze of the camera.

1068
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have my nails as beautiful as I can

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01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: make them, and I'm gonna make this character fall the

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01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: fuck in love with me. Singing my name over a

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Speaker 1: bridge for the rest of his life.

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Speaker 2: That's a different It's a lyric from killing killing me

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01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 2: softly that we haven't heard singing my name over a

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Speaker 2: bridge for the rest of his life.

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Speaker 1: One time.

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Speaker 2: And I have to say too that what I appreciate

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01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: about Nicknolty in this role is I like that these

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01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 2: that he and Savannah were twins, because because it's a

1079
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 2: very like Yin Yang light dark thing going on, where

1080
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: he's all humor, all deflection and she is just dark.

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01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: She is a dark soul, and the fact that they're twins,

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Speaker 2: and there's this one part where she starts to wake

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01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 2: up and kind of come to because she's been really

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01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 2: heavily medicated in this hospital, and he just grabs her

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01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 2: and hugs her and is like, I don't know what

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01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 2: I would do if I woke up in a world

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01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 2: without you, or something to that effect, and I'm like, fuck.

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01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 2: Plus Savannah is played by the mom from a Christmas Story,

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01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: well the Range, Dylan Hella Range. I could have withstood

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01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 2: a movie about her alone. She's fascinating, Like she kind

1091
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 2: of splintered her personality. I don't think she was like

1092
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 2: a multiple personality or associated identity disorder. But she's a

1093
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 2: writer and she has this book of poetry that he's read.

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01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: But then she also publishes this children's book under another name,

1095
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 2: Branada Halpern. Yeah, and it's all about their childhood, and

1096
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 2: she's like created this whole identity as an author so

1097
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 2: that she could write about their childhood. And he's furious

1098
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 2: when he finds out, but eventually comes to understand and

1099
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 2: it's just a really sweet, like on top of the

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01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 2: middle aged love story. I really appreciated the middle aged

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01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 2: sibling story.

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Speaker 1: I did too, And also I thought it was very

1103
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: sweet that he called her darling and sweetheart, ah, because

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01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: I can't imagine a world without you, Like I truly

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01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: feel like crying when I hear that, Like I'm just

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01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: like it's.

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01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 2: God, oh, very sweet, heartbreaking, and it's it's a great

1108
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 2: film in that way. Like I think that's why it

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01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 2: also felt like a very adult movie to me as

1110
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 2: a kid, because I'm like, there's stuff going on here

1111
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: that I don't understand, but I know I should be crying.

1112
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 3: And then once I hit thirty Waterfalls.

1113
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:44,919
Speaker 1: Boom, we now feel this feel this shit to the tea. Well.

1114
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. There's like basically two movies for

1115
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: me that feel like the most, like you really do

1116
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: capture South Carolina as a beautiful place and it's the

1117
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: Big Chill and this movie. Those are the two movie

1118
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: is where I'm like, oh my god, can I please

1119
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: live in a giant, beautiful house on the salt marshes

1120
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: in the low Country. That would be the greatest living ever.

1121
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: And there was a moment too where I was like,

1122
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: there was I think there's a point where they somebody

1123
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: says like I cannot imagine you in New York, like

1124
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: you have to live in the South, like you're a

1125
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: Southern guy and you love the South in a way

1126
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: that like most people who live here don't love it.

1127
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: It's like this really deep poetic passion that he has

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01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: for where he's from and so and I think that

1129
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: was really it was really clear in the movie that

1130
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: that's the way it was. I mean, it was clear

1131
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: that the movie was about the South and how beautiful

1132
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: it can be. And like I said, yeah, I mean,

1133
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: besides the big chill, this is the other I mean,

1134
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: like that beach house, damn, oh his house. Put me

1135
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: in those houses, man.

1136
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 2: And I loved they did a beautiful job in the

1137
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 2: beginning of the film kind of showing that beauty as well.

1138
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 2: Like there's a scene with the kids all jumping in

1139
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 2: the water and holding hands underwater, and he's narrating throughout,

1140
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 2: but you know, he's talking about in the beginning kind

1141
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 2: of the turbulence in their home because his dad was

1142
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 2: such a son of a bitch. But then they show

1143
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 2: these beautiful scenes, and I think it was there was

1144
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 2: I think it was pretty early on in the narration

1145
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 2: while he's describing kind of their childhood and their life

1146
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 2: where he says that his parents fought all the time,

1147
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 2: but the only prisoners they took were their children, and

1148
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 2: that against the backdrop of like a pink sunset, heartbreaking, heartbreaking.

1149
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful movie in so many ways, but they

1150
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 2: really use the scenery to emphasize the emotion, and I

1151
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 2: just greatly fell in love with that.

1152
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I'm glad that you understand it, because honestly,

1153
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: like like I said, I think now at this point,

1154
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 1: I do think that a part of me is sort

1155
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: of like defiantly loving this film in spite of like

1156
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: all these other people because basically I'm like, yeah, this

1157
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: is like I know that this is something that's like

1158
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: kind of unexpected for me, like as something I would

1159
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: really really like, but I love that it is so

1160
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's epic. It's this epic, emotional, dramatic, high

1161
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: key story made by this woman filmmaker who is this epic,

1162
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: high key personality. It's like everything is locking into place

1163
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: for this being kind of like it's like an over

1164
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: the top masterpiece. But I also think it's just a masterpiece.

1165
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: I also think I really like it as the film itself,

1166
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: but I do protect it to the hilt. I will

1167
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: protect it forever against any like asshole that thinks it's

1168
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: corny or whatever. I will always come for you. Trust

1169
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: me as you should.

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01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 3: Is the first movie I think that I saw. I

1171
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:00,919
Speaker 3: know that I saw.

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01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 2: This is the first movie I saw as a kid

1173
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 2: where a man cried and had like that depth of

1174
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 2: emotion and really to see someone walk through their own life,

1175
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 2: like there's something very poetic. And you know, the storyteller

1176
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 2: in the family is Savannah, but he ends up being

1177
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 2: the person who can who is her memory they say

1178
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 2: in the film, and he unlocks his own sort of

1179
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 2: poetry about his life, and it's just it's beautiful. It's

1180
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 2: a beautiful movie. I'll be right there with you defending it,

1181
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 2: nunchucks and all like.

1182
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: I'll be there. Get away from me. I love the

1183
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 1: Prince of Tides and I don't care who knows it.

1184
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: I don't care if there was a Prince of Tides convention,

1185
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: I will be there every night, full full price, my

1186
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: Prince of Tides cosplay, whatever I gotta do.

1187
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 3: What would you wear in your Prince of Tides cosplay?

1188
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: Oh? God, this is what character? I mean? God, every

1189
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: character has his own sadness. I guess I would be

1190
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: the sun. Ah. I would wear my my football outfit

1191
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: and carry my my What Extratavarius is that the name?

1192
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: I'd be a football violinist, That's what I'd be.

1193
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 2: Excellent. I would be Barber streisand's nails. I would just

1194
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 2: go It's a full manicuredisant nail.

1195
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: Listen, you could come as barbar streisand in the rocking chair.

1196
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: Just create like you know how like they have those

1197
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 1: like old costumes of like the dummies, Like you know,

1198
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 1: it looks like there's two people in one costume. You

1199
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: can do that.

1200
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 3: I'm doing it.

1201
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: You know how to sew? You know how to sew.

1202
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, so, I'll sew a rocking

1203
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 2: chair and then I'll just curl up in it and

1204
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 2: put like some kind of stabilizer so I could just

1205
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 2: kind of hover.

1206
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you wanted to talk about this for real.

1207
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 1: Thank you. I needed to talk about it clearly. I'm

1208
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: so glad that you held space for me to talk

1209
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: about it. I'm glad that we have come to the

1210
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: same conclusions about it. And God damn it, Barbara, I

1211
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 1: swear you got me man, like every fucking time you

1212
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: got me. I mean, I was out here talking about

1213
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 1: the way we were and Danielle was like, motherfucker, I stand,

1214
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: I stand.

1215
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,759
Speaker 3: But that wasn't because of her. That was because of Hubble.

1216
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: That's true. She was dope in that movie.

1217
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 2: She was perfection, yes, and Hubble was a fuck boy

1218
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 2: and she deserved better.

1219
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: Well, I know that the next time we do this

1220
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: is gonna be your turn. So it is buckle the

1221
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 1: fuck up, people, because.

1222
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 3: I got a banger.

1223
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: We've got some bangers coming up. We hope you enjoyed

1224
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:54,759
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1225
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:59,799
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1230
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: with us about the Prince of Tides, you can do

1231
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: that at I saw what she did pot at gmail

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01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: dot com. I guess that's it.

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01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 3: Maybe awesome.

1234
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,679
Speaker 2: I mean, I know we're going to keep this conversation

1235
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 2: going for the rest of our lives, but we'll end

1236
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 2: the Prince of Tides conversation for the pod.

1237
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: You know, if you don't show up to my birthday,

1238
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: I won't kill you. I don't kill you. All right, bye, everybody,

1239
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,879
Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production. Our producers Alexis

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01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 2: A Marissi, Our engineers Annalise Nelson. Our social media manager

1242
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 2: is Tarren Maza. Our theme song is by Tom Bryfogel,

1243
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 2: artwork by Garrett Ross. Our executive producers are Georgia Hart

1244
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,640
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