WEBVTT - Greed Isn't Good

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to okay F Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>Meet your Girl Danielle Moody once again recording from the

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<v Speaker 1>Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, I'm arrived back into New York and

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like March of twenty twenty all over again.

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<v Speaker 1>The lines for COVID nineteen testing are back to being

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<v Speaker 1>hours long and wrapped around city blocks. While folks want

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<v Speaker 1>to say to us, epidemiologists and doctors and scientists want

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<v Speaker 1>to say that we are in much better shape than

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<v Speaker 1>we were in March of twenty twenty here in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>The PTSD, the trauma, the grief, the anxiety that we

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<v Speaker 1>felt back then is back. And frankly, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to consistently consistently be the guinea pig for nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever variants come and so right now, currently there

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<v Speaker 1>are four New York City schools that are closed. Hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of teachers have tested positive in one day. Mayor Bill

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<v Speaker 1>de Blasio says that he will not be closing schools.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, schools will obviously be closing down for the

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming holiday shortly, but that he has no intention, no

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<v Speaker 1>intention of closing schools as he did back in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>The reality is this, we have a problem in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States that is obvious, right, and it isn't just Amicron.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a whole host of problems that I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to dig into today because frankly, folks, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>about you, but I'm feeling a level of fatigue, frustration,

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<v Speaker 1>and just hopelessness as we are approaching the holiday season

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<v Speaker 1>that I haven't felt in quite some time. You know, Amicron,

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<v Speaker 1>what is troubling me about this new variant? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>One I will say this, we are in a better place.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because we have vaccines and we have boosters. But

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<v Speaker 1>I know way too many people who have been vaccinated,

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<v Speaker 1>been boosted and have contracted COVID. What we are learning

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<v Speaker 1>about amicron is that it is more contagious, and that

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<v Speaker 1>the likelihood of us being able to dodge this variant

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<v Speaker 1>that is three times as more contagious than alpha, than delta,

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<v Speaker 1>and even in some instances they're saying three to eleven

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<v Speaker 1>times more. It depends on how you are doing your math.

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<v Speaker 1>But what we know is that it is unlikely that

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<v Speaker 1>we are all going to end up unscathed. So I

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<v Speaker 1>cannot say this enough. If you are have not been vaccinated.

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<v Speaker 1>If people around you have not been vaccinated, have not

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<v Speaker 1>been boosted, please please please continue to encourage them to

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<v Speaker 1>do so. This is not a joke. Again, I have

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<v Speaker 1>friends right now who have contracted COVID after doing all

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<v Speaker 1>of the right things. And I also want to add

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<v Speaker 1>to this, it is not an indictment of your character

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<v Speaker 1>if you do contract COVID, because what we know is

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<v Speaker 1>that because of the actions right of wealthier nations in

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<v Speaker 1>not giving a waiver to other countries, lower income countries

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to produce their own vaccines, this is

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<v Speaker 1>why variants keep happening. Just you know, we want to

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<v Speaker 1>blame the people that are unvaccinated for this surge, but

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<v Speaker 1>the reality is is that this came out of or

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<v Speaker 1>at least was first identified in South Africa, a country

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<v Speaker 1>whose vaccination levels are low, not because of vaccine hesitancy,

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<v Speaker 1>but because of lack of accessibility and the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>vaccines that the higher income nations said that they were

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<v Speaker 1>going to be offering right and giving to these nations

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<v Speaker 1>they fell short of. And why is that because they

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<v Speaker 1>would rather Maderna and Fiser and these other pharmaceutical industries

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<v Speaker 1>make billions and billions of dollars that they receive money

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<v Speaker 1>on the back end for. So once again, what is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the destruction of this country, of our planet? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it is going to be greed. Greed is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be what destroys us. But what concerns me the most

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<v Speaker 1>about Omicron is this, And I have stated this before,

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<v Speaker 1>and our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel has told us that

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<v Speaker 1>when there is more virus that is in the air, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it is more likely that it's going to mutate. And

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<v Speaker 1>there was a conversation I was having with a friend

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<v Speaker 1>of mine a couple of days ago, and it was this,

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<v Speaker 1>how long, right, did it take us to discover Delta?

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<v Speaker 1>So let's let's look at this. In June of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, vaccinations were readily available and we had mobilization

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<v Speaker 1>and roll out from this administration. Okay, by July, Delta

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<v Speaker 1>was already prominent. So by the time that we had

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<v Speaker 1>received the vaccines, right, we're alpha, Delta had already come

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<v Speaker 1>on to the scene. Only a couple of months had

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<v Speaker 1>passed between the emergence of COVID nineteen alpha to Delta.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Delta came on the scene in July. It is November. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it was November when omicron was first identified in South

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<v Speaker 1>Africa and in several other countries in Europe. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking now at the fact that within July, August, September, October, November,

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<v Speaker 1>we're looking at a rent roughly four to five months

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of the next variant. Right, Like the time

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<v Speaker 1>is becoming smaller and smaller between when these variants are coming.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we're looking at omicron and we're saying that

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<v Speaker 1>there is more of it and it is spreading faster,

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<v Speaker 1>the likelihood of the next variant coming is probably going

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the next two to three months. We

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<v Speaker 1>already see that with omicron, that it is moving around

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<v Speaker 1>the vaccinations. Now, people that are vaccinated plus boosted are

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<v Speaker 1>less likely to have severe symptoms and be hospitalized right

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<v Speaker 1>and die. But the thing is is that this virus

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<v Speaker 1>is getting smarter, replicating faster, and moving at the speed

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<v Speaker 1>of light. So in order to her for us to

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<v Speaker 1>get a hold of it, people need to get fucking

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<v Speaker 1>vaccinated and boosted. But more importantly, the wealthier nations need

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<v Speaker 1>to be providing those trip waivers so that lower incominations

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<v Speaker 1>can begin to tackle the initial vaccination fucking rollouts. We

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<v Speaker 1>cannot be self serving at this moment. If there's anything

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<v Speaker 1>that we have seen over the past two fucking years

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<v Speaker 1>of living in this pandemic is that it is not

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<v Speaker 1>a pandemic of isolation and silos. It is a communicable

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<v Speaker 1>fucking disease and virus. So if we are not thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about the collective we then we are going to all lose. Period.

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<v Speaker 1>In other news, Joe Mansion is an asshole, right. Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Mansion continues to show the American people, continues to show

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<v Speaker 1>the world that he just does not give a fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>And look, I know that shaming somebody who is shameless

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<v Speaker 1>does not matter, but the level of rage that I

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<v Speaker 1>have for Joe Mansion is on some next level. Shit.

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<v Speaker 1>If I saw that man on the street, it would

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<v Speaker 1>take everything in me not to punch him square in

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<v Speaker 1>his face. And I'm not an advocate for violence, but

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<v Speaker 1>I am at my wits fucking end, because what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>starting to realize, folks, is this is that the end

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<v Speaker 1>of our democracy isn't solely going to be laid on

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<v Speaker 1>the shoulders of the Republican Party. The fascist cult right

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<v Speaker 1>that wants to bring us back to nineteen fifty three. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it is. It is going to rest on the shoulders

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<v Speaker 1>of Democrats who are not seeing the urgency of now right.

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<v Speaker 1>I listened fucking yesterday to Jen Saki, Press Secretary Jen

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<v Speaker 1>Saki's press conference right following the major scathing statement that

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<v Speaker 1>the White House put out in response to Joe Mansion

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<v Speaker 1>going on Fox Right, going on Fox not calling the

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<v Speaker 1>President of the United States, not issuing a statement, but

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<v Speaker 1>going on the very network that is responsible for spreading

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<v Speaker 1>the big lie, for spreading fucking COVID. That's where Mansion

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<v Speaker 1>decided to go on to go and tell the American

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<v Speaker 1>people that he doesn't give a fuck about them. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Jensaki right in her statement in her press conference following

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<v Speaker 1>the quote unquote scathing statement that was put out, Jensaki

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<v Speaker 1>contin he needs to refer to Joe Mansion as a

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<v Speaker 1>good friend of the president. Let me tell you something,

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<v Speaker 1>If Joe Mansion is somebody that you consider you're a

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<v Speaker 1>good friend, then I would hate to think what your

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<v Speaker 1>enemies do to you. Because Joe Mansion is no friend

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<v Speaker 1>of this president. He is no friend of this fucking country,

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<v Speaker 1>and he is sure as fuck not a friend of democracy.

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<v Speaker 1>This man who was elected with two hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 1>thousand votes is able to thwart the voices and the

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<v Speaker 1>need of eighty one million Americans that turned down in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty to vote for Joe Biden. Now, I know

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<v Speaker 1>that everybody wanted to be up in arms about host Charlemagne,

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<v Speaker 1>the God who has a new show on Comedy Central,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you are a New Yorker, you know him

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<v Speaker 1>because he is one of the three hosts that hosts

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<v Speaker 1>the show called The Breakfast Club, which is a very

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<v Speaker 1>popular morning our urban radio show. Charlemagne had Vice President

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala Harris on air, and he asked her directly, who

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<v Speaker 1>is the President of the United States? Is it Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden or Joe Mansion. Now, Kamala Harris, in my humble opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>which I said, recently missed a major opportunity, missed the

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<v Speaker 1>major media moment to be able to go after fucking

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Mansion's juggular. You know, here's the thing. I get

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<v Speaker 1>that Joe Biden wanted to come into the presidency and

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<v Speaker 1>say that I am the complete opposite of Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to trash my political opponents. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to make targets of them. I'm gonna usher in

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<v Speaker 1>some grown up sensibilities back into our body politic and

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<v Speaker 1>back into this White House. But at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, if you are not going after enemies of democracy,

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<v Speaker 1>when you see that we are under fucking attack and

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<v Speaker 1>that people within your own party are the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>are bringing the sword to your legislation, that are tearing

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<v Speaker 1>it up and defecating on our democracy, then I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what the fuck you are doing, right I honestly

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<v Speaker 1>do not, because politics is a fucking blood sport. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred thousand Americans are dead. And what we have

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<v Speaker 1>learned right through tens of thousands of documents is just

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<v Speaker 1>how willing and able the Trump administration was in thwarting

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<v Speaker 1>right our ability to fight back against COVID when it

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<v Speaker 1>first came on the scene right in twenty twenty, and

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<v Speaker 1>when he learned about it in twenty nineteen. Is Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump in jail or any of those administration officials in

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<v Speaker 1>jail for what they did to the American people? Are

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<v Speaker 1>they in jail for negligent homicide? Are they even being

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<v Speaker 1>fucking indicted or questioned about what they did not do

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<v Speaker 1>for the American people? Know they are not and so

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<v Speaker 1>we want to believe in this country that every time

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<v Speaker 1>we get a new administration that we can just turn

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<v Speaker 1>the page without looking back and seeing exactly what it

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<v Speaker 1>was that was done. It isn't just Republicans that are

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<v Speaker 1>to blame for the situation that we are in right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Democrats who want to think that we are

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<v Speaker 1>continuing to function in some type of twentieth century mentality.

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<v Speaker 1>We are at war. These people are at war. We

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<v Speaker 1>already have eight hundred thousand people dead. By the time

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<v Speaker 1>that we end the first quarter of this new upcoming year,

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<v Speaker 1>a million Americans will have parish perished to COVID nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>And do you know whose responsibility it is that we

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<v Speaker 1>reach that number? Donald fucking Trump and the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you hear this current administration laying blame where

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<v Speaker 1>blame should be. Do you see them waging campaigns, going

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<v Speaker 1>after their own party members and having them fall in line?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it is it is inconceivable what will happen to

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<v Speaker 1>this country if we don't pass voting rights? Right, I

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<v Speaker 1>just do not get at it. And I am at

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<v Speaker 1>a place right where I just put up and you

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<v Speaker 1>can go to Zora zoramag dot com you can go

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<v Speaker 1>to media to read my latest piece in zoramagazine, which

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<v Speaker 1>is twenty twenty one, the Year of trauma, right. And

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<v Speaker 1>I have to tell you that when I was asked

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<v Speaker 1>to do a reflection piece on this year, there was

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<v Speaker 1>not one good thing in terms of not in my

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<v Speaker 1>personal life, right, but in the grand scheme of America.

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<v Speaker 1>There is not one good thing that we can point to,

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<v Speaker 1>not one. Now my friends want to say to me, oh, Danielle, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the vaccine rollout went really well, And I'm like, were

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<v Speaker 1>you around for the vaccine rollout? Because initially it was

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<v Speaker 1>a bumbling, fucking mess. Now, I'm not saying that this

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<v Speaker 1>administration didn't walk into a steaming pile of shit, but

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<v Speaker 1>they were aware of the steaming pile of shit that

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<v Speaker 1>they were walking into. The vaccine rollout was not great.

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<v Speaker 1>The flip flopping by the CDC was not great. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But when we started off twenty twenty one, we started

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<v Speaker 1>off six days in with a fucking insurrection, an insurrection,

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<v Speaker 1>an attempt to overthrow the government. And as we are

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<v Speaker 1>coming up on that year anniversary, the people that were

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<v Speaker 1>in charge, the architects behind that, have yet to be

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<v Speaker 1>fucking indicted. We have a Department of Justice that is

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<v Speaker 1>spineless and run essentially by amibas. We have a Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Health that is trying to do their best but

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<v Speaker 1>still still playcating to the twenty five percent of Americans

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<v Speaker 1>that refuse to get vaccinated and doing so in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that makes them feel good about the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they're not getting vaccinated. When are we going to actually

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<v Speaker 1>start to police and make policy, not police to make

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<v Speaker 1>policy right with those that are doing the right thing

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<v Speaker 1>in mind? When are we going to start to recognize

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<v Speaker 1>that nicenes and euphemisms and patting everybody on the back

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<v Speaker 1>for doing the bare minimum doesn't fucking work. So it

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<v Speaker 1>brings me back to Joe Mansion. So one of the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons why Mansion is saying that he will vote no

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<v Speaker 1>on Build Back Better, and Chuck Schumer has recently said

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<v Speaker 1>that he is going to bring the legislation to the

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<v Speaker 1>floor because he wants everybody to be on record as

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<v Speaker 1>if that fucking matters. Nonetheless, Joe Mansion says he's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to vote for it because he doesn't believe in

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<v Speaker 1>the childcare tax credit, because he thinks that parents are

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<v Speaker 1>going to use that to go on vacation or to

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<v Speaker 1>use it for things that they do not need. And

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<v Speaker 1>the question that I tweeted when I heard that that

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<v Speaker 1>was one of his responses, was why doesn't anybody ask

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Mansion why he thinks that the American people are

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<v Speaker 1>so undeserving? Why he thinks that low income Americans are

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<v Speaker 1>lazy and not deserving of their own fucking money back.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so sick and tired of this narrative coming

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<v Speaker 1>down from this fucking uber wealthy about how they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to dictate certain things to low income people and to

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<v Speaker 1>the poor, and do so through a lens right, through

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<v Speaker 1>a lens of scarcity, but also through the perception that

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<v Speaker 1>these people are poor are low income because they just

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<v Speaker 1>don't work hard enough, and that if we give people

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote handouts, then they won't want to do for themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Because to me, basically, what you are saying is that

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<v Speaker 1>you do not believe in Americans. And I want somebody

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<v Speaker 1>to have Joe Mansion be on the record fucking saying

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<v Speaker 1>that as he is sitting on his seven hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars yacht and driving in his fucking thousands of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>tens of thousands of dollar Maserati. Right, when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at West Virginia, they are at the bottom, the fucking

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of every socioeconomic indicator. Right, They're at the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of healthcare, bottom of education. But this man they have

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<v Speaker 1>continued to elect for four fucking decades. I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to vote for or against Joe Mansion because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't live in fucking West Virginia. But Joe Mansion

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<v Speaker 1>has the power in our broken, fucking democracy to vote

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<v Speaker 1>against eighty one million Americans. And we think that the

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<v Speaker 1>system is working for us, folks, let me tell you something.

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<v Speaker 1>Friend of the Show, Kurt Bardella also this week has

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<v Speaker 1>a really great piece set is up at USA today

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<v Speaker 1>which is his recommendations of what Democrats need to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But basically, what he has stated is that Democrats need

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<v Speaker 1>to prepare themselves for the fact that we are losing

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<v Speaker 1>the midterms. Right, the calendar year hasn't even changed, but

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<v Speaker 1>we can already sense what is in the air. Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>will lose the fucking House, and they will lose the

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<v Speaker 1>goddamn Senate. And what Republicans have already said is that

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<v Speaker 1>they will spend the next two years right making it

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<v Speaker 1>so that Donald Trump is going to be the nominee

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty twenty four. We will never have three and

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<v Speaker 1>fair elections, and they will end up probably throwing Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden in jail for whatever things that they want to

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<v Speaker 1>make up about him or his families. They have told

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<v Speaker 1>you out loud what the fuck they plan to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and so what Kurt Bardella says in his piece is like,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. You need to operate off of the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that we are fucked and that we have nothing

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<v Speaker 1>left to lose. So instead of operating from this place

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<v Speaker 1>of fear, which is so the place of comfort for Democrats, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they are fearful of every goddamn thing. What will people think?

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<v Speaker 1>What about the movable middle? What about independence? We need

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<v Speaker 1>to be bipartisan? Fuck that. Guess what. Republicans don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to fuck with you, right, They've said that to you

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<v Speaker 1>time and time again. And as a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're really not paying attention, many of them have

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<v Speaker 1>threatened you all with fucking violence. Your colleagues in the

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<v Speaker 1>fucking Congress have threatened you with violence. So to think

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<v Speaker 1>that they're coming to the table for any bipartisan measure

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<v Speaker 1>is like dreaming about candy Land, I guess you probably

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<v Speaker 1>believe in Santa and the tooth Ferry as well. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's number one. Number two is this number two? Is this?

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<v Speaker 1>No one fears Democrats. That's what Kurt said in his

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<v Speaker 1>play and his Peace. No one fears them. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>fear the Commission, they don't fear the Department of Justice.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't fear this White House because they know they

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<v Speaker 1>have no teeth, because they've proven time and time again

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<v Speaker 1>that they are not willing to do what it takes

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<v Speaker 1>in order to save our democracy. So when you know

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<v Speaker 1>that you're going to continue to run them up, you

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<v Speaker 1>think Mark Meadows wasn't isn't afraid of the criminal indictments

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<v Speaker 1>that may or may not come down from the Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Justice because Merritt Garland has showed us that he

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<v Speaker 1>has no sense of urgency, that he doesn't think that

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<v Speaker 1>ourocracies in peril, and that apparently right. His colleague Bob Mother,

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<v Speaker 1>who put together a fucking walking memo of ten ways

0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.480
<v Speaker 1>that you can fucking charge Donald Trump, well he, I

0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:15.840
<v Speaker 1>guess put that in the bottom of the file draw

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<v Speaker 1>and locked it up. You have all of the evidence

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<v Speaker 1>in front of you. You know that the administration that

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<v Speaker 1>came before. You are a group of criminals. They have

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<v Speaker 1>fucking told you on podcasts and on Fox, and still

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<v Speaker 1>you do nothing. I am so tired, folks, of being

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<v Speaker 1>a part of a party that no one fears, being

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<v Speaker 1>a part of a party that all they want to

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<v Speaker 1>do is have in fighting about policies that the American

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<v Speaker 1>people honestly don't understand. Do what needs to be done,

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<v Speaker 1>get your fucking members in line. And if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to do it with carrots, right then it's time

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<v Speaker 1>to take out the fucking stick. I want to see

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<v Speaker 1>campaigns waged against Joe Manchin. I don't give a fuck

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<v Speaker 1>if we lose West Virginia, because frankly, we are losing

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Because if this is what power looks like,

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<v Speaker 1>if this is what winning in twenty twenty looks like,

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<v Speaker 1>then you can fucking have it, you know. I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>like infuriated because we have so much that is at stake,

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<v Speaker 1>There is so much that is at risk, and it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like there are only a handful of people that

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that truth. And so when Charlemagne says to Vice

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<v Speaker 1>President Kamala Harris, who's the president of the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>and she has the audacity to pop off and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Joe Biden, don't act like a Republican. Well, then

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden should start acting like the fucking president, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe do that. We are in a lot of trouble, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>Like as this year comes to a close and as

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<v Speaker 1>we get ready to move into twenty twenty two, we

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<v Speaker 1>are in a world of fucking trouble. Over eight hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand Americans are dead, Twenty five percent of the population

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<v Speaker 1>still doesn't want to get vaccinated. We have mass shootings

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<v Speaker 1>that are back on the rise. We have over four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred voter supression bills that are on the books. We

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<v Speaker 1>have you know, the rise in racism, rise in white supremacy.

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<v Speaker 1>We have so much climate change right. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>is either fire season, tornado season, hurricane season. But every

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<v Speaker 1>time these seasons roll around, they are once in a century.

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<v Speaker 1>How can it be once in a century? Every couple

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<v Speaker 1>of months, we are headed towards the end of days

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<v Speaker 1>in so many fucking ways. It's biblical what is happening

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<v Speaker 1>right now? And yet I'm waiting for Democrats to wipe

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<v Speaker 1>the call out their eyes and wake the fuck up.

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<v Speaker 1>We are out of getting to a point where we

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<v Speaker 1>have nothing to left to lose, so you better leave

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<v Speaker 1>it all on the fucking floor right now, or just leave.

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<v Speaker 1>The reality is is that I'm ready to fight. I've

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<v Speaker 1>never stopped fighting. The Trump administration and what they did

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<v Speaker 1>and Donald Trump descending down that escalator set off an

0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:16.199
<v Speaker 1>alarm inside of me that has yet to go, that

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<v Speaker 1>has yet for me to be able to hit snooze.

0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:24.159
<v Speaker 1>It has been blaring for the last five years, and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know if anybody else can hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so much at stake, and as we tick down

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<v Speaker 1>with just a handful of days left and this year,

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<v Speaker 1>all I keep wondering is, my God, what does twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two have in store? Because I'm actually terrified to

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<v Speaker 1>find out, folks. Coming up next is a really hopeful,

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<v Speaker 1>hopeful conversation with Hope will Well and Sack. Hope Well

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<v Speaker 1>and Sack is the executive director of a Georgia initiative

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<v Speaker 1>to create a guaranteed income for black women of eight

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty dollars eight hundred and fifty dollars a

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<v Speaker 1>month that could provide black women with breathing room, provide

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<v Speaker 1>them with the ability to understand what it's like to

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<v Speaker 1>thrive and not just survive. And I'm really excited because

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<v Speaker 1>Hope will offer to us a lot of statistics and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of reasons why the in Her Hand initiative

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<v Speaker 1>that they have launched will launch, excuse me at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of twenty twenty two matters and could possibly present

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<v Speaker 1>itself as a model for what guaranteed income, which is

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<v Speaker 1>different from universal basic income, what guaranteed income could look

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<v Speaker 1>like for those communities that are always marginalized and never

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<v Speaker 1>invested in. So I'm very excited for the upcoming conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with Hope while in Sack, folks, I am very excited

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<v Speaker 1>to welcome to woke F for the first time Hope

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<v Speaker 1>wallin sach who is the executive director of Georgia Resilience

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<v Speaker 1>and Opportunity Fund or GROW Fund in Atlanta. The in

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<v Speaker 1>Her Hand initiative will be focusing on providing black women

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<v Speaker 1>with guaranteed income of around eight hundred and fifty dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a month over the next two years. And the hope here,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming, is to see how such a program that

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<v Speaker 1>we've heard in different formats and in different ways by

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<v Speaker 1>different politicians, how we can help those black women who

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<v Speaker 1>want are the base of the Democratic Party, who are

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<v Speaker 1>often heads of households, and who are often also making

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<v Speaker 1>fifty cents on the dollar or seventy five cents depending

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<v Speaker 1>on who's measuring on the dollar of white men. Hope,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for making the time to join

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<v Speaker 1>us on woke F tell me more about this extraordinary

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<v Speaker 1>in Her Hands initiative and this program. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for having me, Daniel. Yes, so, just as you described,

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<v Speaker 1>the in Her Hands Initiative is a partnership between the

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia Resilience and Opportunity Fund or Growth Fund and give

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<v Speaker 1>directly and we'll be providing thirteen million to black women

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<v Speaker 1>across Georgia in a two year program that provides approximately

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred and fifty dollars a month on average to

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<v Speaker 1>participants to over six hundred women across the state. Our focus,

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<v Speaker 1>or our launch site is the Old fourth Ward neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>of Atlanta, which is directly in the heart of the

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<v Speaker 1>city of Atlanta. It's the neighborhood where doctor Martin Luther

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<v Speaker 1>King was born, where he preached to ebnez Or Baptist Church.

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<v Speaker 1>King was an early advocate for guaranteed income, especially in

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<v Speaker 1>his last book in nineteen sixty eight, Chaos our Community.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet this neighborhood today, like many neighborhoods across Atlanta

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<v Speaker 1>and across Georgia and probably across the country, although it

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<v Speaker 1>sits in the shadow of King's legacy of justice, it's

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<v Speaker 1>home to the largest concentration of Section eight housing jud

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<v Speaker 1>was too million dollars newly constructed homes. So we feel

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<v Speaker 1>that this neighborhood, like many neighborhoods across the city, across

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<v Speaker 1>the country, has a particular charge to pursue racial and

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<v Speaker 1>economic justice in really bold ways that are not just

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<v Speaker 1>a program, but also switching the paradigm on how we

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<v Speaker 1>understand economic insecurity and poverty. So very excited about the

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:15.720
<v Speaker 1>launch of this program in early twenty twenty two and

0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 1>all of the work that's gone into it over the

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<v Speaker 1>past couple of years to make it possible. Talk to

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<v Speaker 1>me about the difference between what you in this initiative

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<v Speaker 1>are calling a guaranteed basic income versus what we heard

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<v Speaker 1>in the you know, the initial I guess it would

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<v Speaker 1>be twenty nineteen, twenty twenty primary Democratic primary where we

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<v Speaker 1>had Andrew Yang talking about you know, universal basic income.

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<v Speaker 1>What are the distinctions between the two. Yeah, absolutely so.

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<v Speaker 1>Guaranteed income is a term that goes back to the

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<v Speaker 1>Civil rights movement also the Black power movement, and has

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:03.200
<v Speaker 1>long been a term to describe sort of an unconditional

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:06.640
<v Speaker 1>cash transfer program that has racial and economic justice at

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the heart of it. Guaranteed income programs tend to be

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<v Speaker 1>targeted towards members of a specific community because we know

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:18.640
<v Speaker 1>that these issues of racial and economic injustice and disparities

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 1>did not emerge out of nowhere. They emerge as a

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 1>result of policy, political and policy choices, and so if

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 1>we want to uproot some of those issues, we have

0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:28.399
<v Speaker 1>to tackle them head on, and we actually have to

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<v Speaker 1>under know the roots of where they came from and

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<v Speaker 1>be intentional about the solutions and policies that are going

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<v Speaker 1>to help to pursue a more more racially just and

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>equitable economy. And so guaranteed income tends to be more

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 1>focused on members from a specific community and at least

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:49.720
<v Speaker 1>started beginning with those communities and hute impacts. It begins

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 1>with those communities. Certainly can be widespread for everyone below

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 1>certain income thresholds, but tends to be more focused whereas

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 1>universal basic income most common proposals sort of our universe,

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 1>and so they would focus on everyone in a population

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 1>sort of even regardless of income, so a little bit

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 1>more targeted. The other is universal. As the title implies.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I have my thoughts, which I said at the top,

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<v Speaker 1>as to why this is being focused on black women initially.

0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:19.239
<v Speaker 1>Can you explain more as to why they in Her

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Hands initiative, why it's focused on black women and not

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:27.560
<v Speaker 1>just black people in general. Yeah, absolutely so. This program

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 1>is the result of a twenty twenty task force that

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 1>convened in Atlanta called the Old Fourth Ward Economic Security

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Task Force and involved twenty stakeholders from across the metro

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta area as well as several national stakeholders. And of

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>course we began this work actually before the economic and

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 1>health public health impacts of COVID had really taken hold,

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 1>but certainly any trends that had already been in place

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 1>for hundreds of years were brought to the four and

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 1>really amplified. During twenty twenty, we saw that we finally

0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 1>started to recognize and talking about it in regular discourse,

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 1>the disproportionate women were taking on in terms of childcare.

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 1>The unpaid limit for women also take on in terms

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 1>of sort of household duties and caretaking duties. We also

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 1>saw unemployment rate spike for women in particular, and of course,

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Black women live with the intersection of both gender inequality

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 1>and racial inequality, and they bear the brunt of both

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 1>of those. So women here in Georgia makes sixty three

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>cents on the dollar to their white male counterparts. We

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 1>know that those paid disparities also increase or widens as

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 1>we gain higher educational attainment, and so these disparities are

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:44.720
<v Speaker 1>really pervasive. This task force asked open ended questions about

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 1>economic insecurity, and what we found when we barely scratch

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 1>the surface, was that although economic insecurity is pervasive, there

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 1>are certain communities that are feeling it more acutely. And

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>we would not be doing justice to tackling the problem

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 1>of economic insecurity if we did not face that head

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 1>on and start with some of the groups that are

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 1>facing the most pervasive, the most acute impacts of economic

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:13.720
<v Speaker 1>insecurity and an economy that isn't working for everyone. And

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 1>so really this is how the task force really decided

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 1>to focus on Black women. Black women are one of

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 1>the groups most likely to live in poverty in Georgia.

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 1>They're also one of the groups like we stuck in

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 1>poverty in Georgia. And we know black women serve this

0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 1>role as oftentimes head of households, but also like the

0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 1>backbone of our community in so many ways, and so

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 1>we don't view this program as something that is a handout.

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:40.080
<v Speaker 1>We view this as something people already deserve, and so

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 1>excited to help to bring the conversation into this is

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 1>what people already deserve and more and how do we

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 1>actually direct more of that towards these communities. Let's dig

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>into the already deserve peace, because you know, one of

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:58.480
<v Speaker 1>the things that troubles me the most, particularly when we're

0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 1>talking about let's just look on the macro level at

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 1>federal programs that we're looking right in this occurrent administration.

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 1>We just learned yesterday Build Back Better is dead in

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:13.640
<v Speaker 1>the water, right because of one obstructionist Democrat who does

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 1>not care about the needs of a majority of Americans.

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 1>And the idea here to me is that we all

0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 1>pay taxes. We pay a lot of taxes, right, particularly

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 1>middle income and low income people pay more than their

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 1>fair share. And I look at it, and I say

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 1>on wokop all the time that the social safety net

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 1>programs are the government reinvesting our money back in US, right,

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 1>And yet when you hear these conversations happen on Capitol Hill,

0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 1>it is always, you know, clouded in this idea that

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Americans are lazy, that like, what we shouldn't be giving

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:54.280
<v Speaker 1>them money? Oh my god, cut off the COVID relief package,

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:58.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, cut off the unemployment credits that we were

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>giving back to people. Because if we provide, right, if

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 1>we provide people with their own tax dollars back so

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 1>that they can live their day to day lives without

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 1>worrying about their basic needs, then they're not going to work.

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:15.640
<v Speaker 1>And so how do you all push back against that

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 1>narrative and kind of help to reframe it, you know,

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 1>for people outside of oh, we're just giving these lazy

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 1>people money to sit on their couch, as opposed to

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 1>this is what they're owed right, right, right, This is

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:31.600
<v Speaker 1>a system that we've already paid into, and so now

0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 1>people just getting back a little bit of what we've

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 1>already paid into. Yeah, the core, at the core of

0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 1>this initiative is changing changing the narrative on what people

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 1>broadly deserve and I think we start by doing that

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 1>by changing the narrative on what black women deserve. I

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:51.120
<v Speaker 1>think for too long we have allowed the trope of

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:56.080
<v Speaker 1>in the myth of the welfare queen Yep influence policy

0:33:56.160 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>that influences the material conditions of people across generations, across communities,

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:03.720
<v Speaker 1>and it is no longer acceptable. We need to face

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 1>it head on and say this is everyone deserves a decent,

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:12.239
<v Speaker 1>dignified life. Why why have we why have we decided

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 1>policies that actually undercut people's ability to do that. The

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:19.319
<v Speaker 1>truth is, the federal government, state governments play a huge

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 1>role in determining who receives resources from, you know, those

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:26.000
<v Speaker 1>at the top to those at the bottom, and for

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 1>some groups of people we put in these restrictions for

0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:32.360
<v Speaker 1>some for some types of resource allocation, people have to

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:34.880
<v Speaker 1>jump through whos. And that is inherently linked to our

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:37.879
<v Speaker 1>conceptions of who deserves what in this economy. And so

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:41.920
<v Speaker 1>at some point I think we sort of we change

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 1>the narrative by building a new one. And that's what

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.719
<v Speaker 1>this program is. We are building something new. We are

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 1>recognizing we're not waiting for someone else to recognize our deservedness.

0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:55.360
<v Speaker 1>We're saying we have it already, and so certainly everyone

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:58.279
<v Speaker 1>deserves a decent and dignified life. And so when we can,

0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 1>when we support black women, who have often been the

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:05.239
<v Speaker 1>punching bag on these policies, that we can begin to

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 1>uproot this system that is actually failing broadly many different

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 1>groups of women, but many different groups of people, I'm sorry,

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:14.920
<v Speaker 1>but on the back of really black women and by

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 1>using them as the punching bag here. So I mean,

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:22.800
<v Speaker 1>I think it goes without saying, people who are cash

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:25.799
<v Speaker 1>or experience in cash shortfalls, low income for whatever the

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 1>term is, are incredibly resilient and resourceful. I think they

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:32.759
<v Speaker 1>could actually probably teach some folks who have a lot

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 1>more more funds on like the best ways to make

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:38.959
<v Speaker 1>one dollar turn into two and to stretch a dollar.

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 1>But we don't view it that way. We actually view

0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 1>it the opposite. I view it that actually our communities

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:48.279
<v Speaker 1>are incredible places of wealth and knowledge on how to

0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:52.799
<v Speaker 1>make an economy that is works for everyone, not just

0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 1>on an individual level, but on a community level, and

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 1>to think about sort of how to make resources go further.

0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:02.160
<v Speaker 1>But we don't tap into that knowledge. In fact, we

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 1>do the opposite view. We view it as a place

0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:07.600
<v Speaker 1>of absence of knowledge, a deficit based mindset versus a

0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>asset based mindset. So hopefully this program can help to

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 1>uproot some of those some of those tropes, and certainly

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:16.479
<v Speaker 1>our evaluation aspect of this program, we'll be looking into

0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 1>some of the questions you you just asked, So let's

0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 1>get into some of the nitty gritties of the program,

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>which you know, again, I think it's extraordinary, right because

0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:28.400
<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, I have been thinking it, particularly

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 1>since the pandemic where millions of people lost their jobs.

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, when I was quarantining with my family in

0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:38.319
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty at the height, you know, of the of

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 1>the pandemic, I saw lines around food pantries that I

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't even know existed in the community that I grew

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:50.799
<v Speaker 1>up in. And there were lines that we saw on

0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:54.799
<v Speaker 1>national news just I mean miles long, with people just

0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:57.960
<v Speaker 1>needing to get a box of food so that they

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:00.880
<v Speaker 1>could get through the next couple of weeks. And I

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:04.239
<v Speaker 1>thought to myself, how often do we say that America

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 1>is the wealthiest nation. America is this beacon, and yet

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:11.879
<v Speaker 1>a majority of Americans, if a four hundred dollars bill

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:14.719
<v Speaker 1>can do wouldn't be able to pay it, and that

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 1>has stayed consistent, you know, over the years. And so

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:22.200
<v Speaker 1>with this program, how do people opt in? Right? And

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:24.799
<v Speaker 1>then what are what are some of I guess the

0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 1>recordings or the reflections that you all will be get

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:35.360
<v Speaker 1>will be receiving from the participants in the program terrific.

0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 1>So we'll be launching in the Old fourth Ward neighborhood

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:40.080
<v Speaker 1>of Atlanta, and then we'll be expanding out to a

0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 1>couple additional geographies across the state. So people will will

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 1>be doing enrollment in reaching out to folks within these

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:49.359
<v Speaker 1>selected neighborhoods to focus to let them know that they

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 1>may be eligible for the program and encourage them to apply.

0:37:52.440 --> 0:38:01.200
<v Speaker 1>And so all right out, let me let me think.

0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>So we hope that this program, certainly it's one of

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:08.319
<v Speaker 1>the largest guaranteed income programs in the country. It's also

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 1>the largest program in the country focused on black women.

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.279
<v Speaker 1>It's the largest guaranteed income program in the South. And

0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:16.120
<v Speaker 1>yet we know we would love to actually see this

0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:17.719
<v Speaker 1>work grow because we know it's a bit of a

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.320
<v Speaker 1>drop in the bucket compared to be of the problem.

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 1>And so we hope that this it's going to be

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 1>selected areas across the state. We're really about the size

0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:28.319
<v Speaker 1>of it, but we also hope that you know, it

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 1>can grow even further and that this program has actually

0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:35.040
<v Speaker 1>an influence on state or federal policy towards similar type solutions.

0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:37.840
<v Speaker 1>And we have some ideas on what sort of a

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:42.319
<v Speaker 1>guaranteed income could look like at scale, but that is

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:44.799
<v Speaker 1>essentially how the program will be ruled out. And it's

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 1>so it's a short term initiative in the hopes of

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:51.840
<v Speaker 1>generating insights and learnings and that would compel us towards

0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:56.200
<v Speaker 1>sort of old old policy change towards these types of solutions.

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<v Speaker 1>What does eligibility look like? Do you have to be

0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:03.400
<v Speaker 1>at you know, at or below poverty level? Do you

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:07.279
<v Speaker 1>have to have depends you know, a certain amount of dependence. Yeah,

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 1>this is one of the first programs you do. You

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:13.239
<v Speaker 1>do not need dependence. So, okay, you can be um

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:16.759
<v Speaker 1>a parent or or not a parent and participate in

0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:21.360
<v Speaker 1>this program. You um, it's focused on black women and

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:25.000
<v Speaker 1>focused on black women in specific geographies and so and

0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:28.440
<v Speaker 1>then there is an income threshold for participation in the program,

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 1>which will let people know for the specific geographies. Okay,

0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's just I really love this idea and

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:40.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to see how it changes, you know, how

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:44.319
<v Speaker 1>how it changes the communities that you're going to be

0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:47.279
<v Speaker 1>tapping in. Just tell us, you know, one of my

0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:49.839
<v Speaker 1>last questions is, you know, tell us about what your

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 1>hopes are, what what what do you hope to see

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:56.080
<v Speaker 1>um from out of the out of this two years

0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:58.239
<v Speaker 1>and you know, how do you think that it will

0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:03.399
<v Speaker 1>change the lives the participants? Yeah, our hope for these

0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 1>two years is that we're able to increase the economic

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:11.480
<v Speaker 1>security and financial stability of individuals who participate in the program.

0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 1>We know that although cash shortfalls and financial insecurity, we

0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:18.719
<v Speaker 1>use it that term as if it's really abstract from

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 1>people's everyday lives, but it affects the material conditions of

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:27.000
<v Speaker 1>people's lives, the duration of their life, and the quality

0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:29.319
<v Speaker 1>of one's life. So we hope that this, in some

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:32.520
<v Speaker 1>small way. It is certainly not enough, and people deserve more,

0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:35.439
<v Speaker 1>but in some small way gives people back a little

0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 1>bit of time, a little bit of autonomy, a little

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:40.000
<v Speaker 1>bit of freedom to make choices, a little bit of

0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:42.760
<v Speaker 1>breathing room. Finally for them to just have a second

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:45.320
<v Speaker 1>to take a step back and take care of themselves

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:51.480
<v Speaker 1>and their loved ones. Individuals experience cash shortfalls, but those

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:57.239
<v Speaker 1>ripple effects are felt across generations, it is felt across communities,

0:40:57.280 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 1>it is felt across household units. And so we hope

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:04.040
<v Speaker 1>that there are some ripple effects even across communities with

0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:06.480
<v Speaker 1>this type of program. And so our goal is, yes,

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 1>to improve the sort of financial security of folks in

0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:12.680
<v Speaker 1>the short run, and we think that we'll have sort

0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:15.359
<v Speaker 1>of impacts on their financial well being in the long term,

0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:17.920
<v Speaker 1>their mental health and well in physical health in the

0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 1>long term, as well as a number of other factors.

0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 1>But really, if I had to boil it down, giving

0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:25.080
<v Speaker 1>folks just that breathing room, and then I think a

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:29.120
<v Speaker 1>second objective for the program is to influence influence policy.

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Something about what we've been doing isn't working. As you said,

0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:34.920
<v Speaker 1>the majority of Americans in a four to four hundred

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:37.840
<v Speaker 1>dollar emergency. We can keep trying the same things and

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 1>investing in the same things over and over, or we

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<v Speaker 1>can finally take a step back and say, why don't

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<v Speaker 1>we listen to people in communities about what their needs

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<v Speaker 1>are and then do something about it. Let's place the

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<v Speaker 1>power in the hands of the people. Closest to the

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<v Speaker 1>problem to develop solutions on solving it and actually listen

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<v Speaker 1>to them when they're telling us what the root of

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<v Speaker 1>the problem is. We heard income community members cash would

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<v Speaker 1>be a game changer. It is very difficult to budget

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<v Speaker 1>plan for your life when month after a month your

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<v Speaker 1>experiencing cashhort falls. And so we hope that this program

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<v Speaker 1>has some short term implications for program participants, but also

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<v Speaker 1>begins to shift the paradigm on how we even develop

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<v Speaker 1>policies in the first place, and whose voices are centered

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<v Speaker 1>in that in that decision making process. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>always the people who are so distant from the actual

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<v Speaker 1>problem that are the ones that are making policy. And

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that you had said, you know, earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>is low income communities are so much more resilient because

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<v Speaker 1>they have always had to do more with less. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and this idea that a lot of politicians,

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<v Speaker 1>not just you know, Republicans, but Democrats alike, really look

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<v Speaker 1>at low income communities as through a deficit lens, as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to saying, like we are in a bucks supposedly

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<v Speaker 1>an abundant nation, right, and so how is it that

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<v Speaker 1>we are unable to help the least among us and

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<v Speaker 1>why is that? And it is because I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>they don't think that these people are deserving. We have

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<v Speaker 1>set up this idea around you know, if you are wealthy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>then we should be taking advice from you. You should

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<v Speaker 1>be providing, you know, books on success and how to achieve.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just like, how when you look at most

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<v Speaker 1>of those people, the super wealthy, the one percent, they

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<v Speaker 1>received money from family right to start their businesses, to

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<v Speaker 1>do these things, and it's like you should be asking

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<v Speaker 1>questions of those that have been able to make the

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<v Speaker 1>most out of the least about how you thrive right?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that moving this fun to me, seems

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<v Speaker 1>like an opportunity to move people from a place of

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<v Speaker 1>survival into actually thriving. Like what does it mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to have breathing room, whether you're putting

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<v Speaker 1>that money back into the economy or you're saving it,

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<v Speaker 1>or you find like I have a little bit to

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<v Speaker 1>invest in something right and grow it from there. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that's really important. Holly tell us, if

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<v Speaker 1>folks want to find out more information, if they want

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<v Speaker 1>to get involved, how they can find you all. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>so folks can visit the Growth Fund dot org to

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<v Speaker 1>learn more about our work and also support our work. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just you know, I really want to commend you.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that we can circle back in a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of months to hear how things are going, how many

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<v Speaker 1>participants that you have, and what are some of the

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<v Speaker 1>testimonies coming out from the women that you're helping, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that's going to be really important too.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to definitely hear hear their voices about what

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<v Speaker 1>it means to be able to know that you have

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<v Speaker 1>this guaranteed income coming in and how you're better able

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<v Speaker 1>to plan your life moving forward rather than dealing paycheck

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<v Speaker 1>to paycheck. So, Hollie, thank you so much for making

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<v Speaker 1>the time to join us on woke f and I

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<v Speaker 1>hope to have you back to hear how well things

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<v Speaker 1>are going and for those people that are interested in

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<v Speaker 1>getting in contact folks had to grow dot org. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much. We'd love to be back. That is

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<v Speaker 1>it for me today. Friends on woke F as always,

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<v Speaker 1>power to the people and to all the people. Power,

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<v Speaker 1>get woke and stay woke as fuck.