1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to okay F Daily with 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody once again recording from the 3 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, I'm arrived back into New York and 4 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: it feels like March of twenty twenty all over again. 5 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: The lines for COVID nineteen testing are back to being 6 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: hours long and wrapped around city blocks. While folks want 7 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: to say to us, epidemiologists and doctors and scientists want 8 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 1: to say that we are in much better shape than 9 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: we were in March of twenty twenty here in New York. 10 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: The PTSD, the trauma, the grief, the anxiety that we 11 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: felt back then is back. And frankly, you know, it's 12 00:00:54,120 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: hard to consistently consistently be the guinea pig for nineteen 13 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: and whatever variants come and so right now, currently there 14 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: are four New York City schools that are closed. Hundreds 15 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: of teachers have tested positive in one day. Mayor Bill 16 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,279 Speaker 1: de Blasio says that he will not be closing schools. 17 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: I mean, schools will obviously be closing down for the 18 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: upcoming holiday shortly, but that he has no intention, no 19 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: intention of closing schools as he did back in twenty twenty. 20 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: The reality is this, we have a problem in the 21 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: United States that is obvious, right, and it isn't just Amicron. 22 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: We have a whole host of problems that I'm going 23 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: to dig into today because frankly, folks, I don't know 24 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: about you, but I'm feeling a level of fatigue, frustration, 25 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: and just hopelessness as we are approaching the holiday season 26 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: that I haven't felt in quite some time. You know, Amicron, 27 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: what is troubling me about this new variant? You know? 28 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: One I will say this, we are in a better place. 29 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: Why because we have vaccines and we have boosters. But 30 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: I know way too many people who have been vaccinated, 31 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: been boosted and have contracted COVID. What we are learning 32 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: about amicron is that it is more contagious, and that 33 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: the likelihood of us being able to dodge this variant 34 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: that is three times as more contagious than alpha, than delta, 35 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: and even in some instances they're saying three to eleven 36 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: times more. It depends on how you are doing your math. 37 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: But what we know is that it is unlikely that 38 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: we are all going to end up unscathed. So I 39 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: cannot say this enough. If you are have not been vaccinated. 40 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: If people around you have not been vaccinated, have not 41 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: been boosted, please please please continue to encourage them to 42 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: do so. This is not a joke. Again, I have 43 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: friends right now who have contracted COVID after doing all 44 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: of the right things. And I also want to add 45 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: to this, it is not an indictment of your character 46 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: if you do contract COVID, because what we know is 47 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: that because of the actions right of wealthier nations in 48 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: not giving a waiver to other countries, lower income countries 49 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: to be able to produce their own vaccines, this is 50 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: why variants keep happening. Just you know, we want to 51 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: blame the people that are unvaccinated for this surge, but 52 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: the reality is is that this came out of or 53 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: at least was first identified in South Africa, a country 54 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: whose vaccination levels are low, not because of vaccine hesitancy, 55 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: but because of lack of accessibility and the amount of 56 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: vaccines that the higher income nations said that they were 57 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: going to be offering right and giving to these nations 58 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: they fell short of. And why is that because they 59 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: would rather Maderna and Fiser and these other pharmaceutical industries 60 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: make billions and billions of dollars that they receive money 61 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: on the back end for. So once again, what is 62 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 1: going to be the destruction of this country, of our planet? Right, 63 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: it is going to be greed. Greed is going to 64 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: be what destroys us. But what concerns me the most 65 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: about Omicron is this, And I have stated this before, 66 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: and our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel has told us that 67 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: when there is more virus that is in the air, right, 68 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: it is more likely that it's going to mutate. And 69 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: there was a conversation I was having with a friend 70 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: of mine a couple of days ago, and it was this, 71 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: how long, right, did it take us to discover Delta? 72 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: So let's let's look at this. In June of twenty 73 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: twenty one, vaccinations were readily available and we had mobilization 74 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: and roll out from this administration. Okay, by July, Delta 75 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: was already prominent. So by the time that we had 76 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: received the vaccines, right, we're alpha, Delta had already come 77 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: on to the scene. Only a couple of months had 78 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: passed between the emergence of COVID nineteen alpha to Delta. 79 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: Now Delta came on the scene in July. It is November. Right, 80 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: it was November when omicron was first identified in South 81 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: Africa and in several other countries in Europe. So we're 82 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: looking now at the fact that within July, August, September, October, November, 83 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: we're looking at a rent roughly four to five months 84 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: in terms of the next variant. Right, Like the time 85 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: is becoming smaller and smaller between when these variants are coming. 86 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: So if we're looking at omicron and we're saying that 87 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: there is more of it and it is spreading faster, 88 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: the likelihood of the next variant coming is probably going 89 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: to be in the next two to three months. We 90 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:11,239 Speaker 1: already see that with omicron, that it is moving around 91 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: the vaccinations. Now, people that are vaccinated plus boosted are 92 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: less likely to have severe symptoms and be hospitalized right 93 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: and die. But the thing is is that this virus 94 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: is getting smarter, replicating faster, and moving at the speed 95 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: of light. So in order to her for us to 96 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: get a hold of it, people need to get fucking 97 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: vaccinated and boosted. But more importantly, the wealthier nations need 98 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: to be providing those trip waivers so that lower incominations 99 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: can begin to tackle the initial vaccination fucking rollouts. We 100 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: cannot be self serving at this moment. If there's anything 101 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: that we have seen over the past two fucking years 102 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: of living in this pandemic is that it is not 103 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: a pandemic of isolation and silos. It is a communicable 104 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: fucking disease and virus. So if we are not thinking 105 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: about the collective we then we are going to all lose. Period. 106 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: In other news, Joe Mansion is an asshole, right. Joe 107 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: Mansion continues to show the American people, continues to show 108 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: the world that he just does not give a fuck. 109 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: And look, I know that shaming somebody who is shameless 110 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: does not matter, but the level of rage that I 111 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: have for Joe Mansion is on some next level. Shit. 112 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: If I saw that man on the street, it would 113 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: take everything in me not to punch him square in 114 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: his face. And I'm not an advocate for violence, but 115 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: I am at my wits fucking end, because what I'm 116 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: starting to realize, folks, is this is that the end 117 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: of our democracy isn't solely going to be laid on 118 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: the shoulders of the Republican Party. The fascist cult right 119 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: that wants to bring us back to nineteen fifty three. No, 120 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: it is. It is going to rest on the shoulders 121 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: of Democrats who are not seeing the urgency of now right. 122 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: I listened fucking yesterday to Jen Saki, Press Secretary Jen 123 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: Saki's press conference right following the major scathing statement that 124 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: the White House put out in response to Joe Mansion 125 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: going on Fox Right, going on Fox not calling the 126 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: President of the United States, not issuing a statement, but 127 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: going on the very network that is responsible for spreading 128 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: the big lie, for spreading fucking COVID. That's where Mansion 129 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: decided to go on to go and tell the American 130 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: people that he doesn't give a fuck about them. Now. 131 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:55,359 Speaker 1: Jensaki right in her statement in her press conference following 132 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: the quote unquote scathing statement that was put out, Jensaki 133 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: contin he needs to refer to Joe Mansion as a 134 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: good friend of the president. Let me tell you something, 135 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: If Joe Mansion is somebody that you consider you're a 136 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: good friend, then I would hate to think what your 137 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: enemies do to you. Because Joe Mansion is no friend 138 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: of this president. He is no friend of this fucking country, 139 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: and he is sure as fuck not a friend of democracy. 140 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: This man who was elected with two hundred and ninety 141 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: thousand votes is able to thwart the voices and the 142 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: need of eighty one million Americans that turned down in 143 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty to vote for Joe Biden. Now, I know 144 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: that everybody wanted to be up in arms about host Charlemagne, 145 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: the God who has a new show on Comedy Central, 146 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: and if you are a New Yorker, you know him 147 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: because he is one of the three hosts that hosts 148 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: the show called The Breakfast Club, which is a very 149 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: popular morning our urban radio show. Charlemagne had Vice President 150 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris on air, and he asked her directly, who 151 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: is the President of the United States? Is it Joe 152 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: Biden or Joe Mansion. Now, Kamala Harris, in my humble opinion, 153 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: which I said, recently missed a major opportunity, missed the 154 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: major media moment to be able to go after fucking 155 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: Joe Mansion's juggular. You know, here's the thing. I get 156 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden wanted to come into the presidency and 157 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: say that I am the complete opposite of Donald Trump. 158 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm not going to trash my political opponents. I'm not 159 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: going to make targets of them. I'm gonna usher in 160 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: some grown up sensibilities back into our body politic and 161 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: back into this White House. But at the end of 162 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: the day, if you are not going after enemies of democracy, 163 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: when you see that we are under fucking attack and 164 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: that people within your own party are the ones that 165 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: are bringing the sword to your legislation, that are tearing 166 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: it up and defecating on our democracy, then I don't 167 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: know what the fuck you are doing, right I honestly 168 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: do not, because politics is a fucking blood sport. Right now, 169 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand Americans are dead. And what we have 170 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: learned right through tens of thousands of documents is just 171 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: how willing and able the Trump administration was in thwarting 172 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: right our ability to fight back against COVID when it 173 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: first came on the scene right in twenty twenty, and 174 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: when he learned about it in twenty nineteen. Is Donald 175 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: Trump in jail or any of those administration officials in 176 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: jail for what they did to the American people? Are 177 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: they in jail for negligent homicide? Are they even being 178 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: fucking indicted or questioned about what they did not do 179 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: for the American people? Know they are not and so 180 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: we want to believe in this country that every time 181 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: we get a new administration that we can just turn 182 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: the page without looking back and seeing exactly what it 183 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: was that was done. It isn't just Republicans that are 184 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: to blame for the situation that we are in right now. 185 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: It is Democrats who want to think that we are 186 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: continuing to function in some type of twentieth century mentality. 187 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: We are at war. These people are at war. We 188 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: already have eight hundred thousand people dead. By the time 189 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: that we end the first quarter of this new upcoming year, 190 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: a million Americans will have parish perished to COVID nineteen 191 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: And do you know whose responsibility it is that we 192 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,359 Speaker 1: reach that number? Donald fucking Trump and the Trump administration. 193 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: But do you hear this current administration laying blame where 194 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: blame should be. Do you see them waging campaigns, going 195 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: after their own party members and having them fall in line? 196 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: Because it is it is inconceivable what will happen to 197 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: this country if we don't pass voting rights? Right, I 198 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: just do not get at it. And I am at 199 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: a place right where I just put up and you 200 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: can go to Zora zoramag dot com you can go 201 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: to media to read my latest piece in zoramagazine, which 202 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: is twenty twenty one, the Year of trauma, right. And 203 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: I have to tell you that when I was asked 204 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: to do a reflection piece on this year, there was 205 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: not one good thing in terms of not in my 206 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: personal life, right, but in the grand scheme of America. 207 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: There is not one good thing that we can point to, 208 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: not one. Now my friends want to say to me, oh, Danielle, well, 209 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: the vaccine rollout went really well, And I'm like, were 210 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: you around for the vaccine rollout? Because initially it was 211 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: a bumbling, fucking mess. Now, I'm not saying that this 212 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: administration didn't walk into a steaming pile of shit, but 213 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: they were aware of the steaming pile of shit that 214 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: they were walking into. The vaccine rollout was not great. 215 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: The flip flopping by the CDC was not great. Right. 216 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: But when we started off twenty twenty one, we started 217 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: off six days in with a fucking insurrection, an insurrection, 218 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: an attempt to overthrow the government. And as we are 219 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: coming up on that year anniversary, the people that were 220 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: in charge, the architects behind that, have yet to be 221 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: fucking indicted. We have a Department of Justice that is 222 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: spineless and run essentially by amibas. We have a Department 223 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: of Health that is trying to do their best but 224 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: still still playcating to the twenty five percent of Americans 225 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: that refuse to get vaccinated and doing so in a 226 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: way that makes them feel good about the fact that 227 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: they're not getting vaccinated. When are we going to actually 228 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: start to police and make policy, not police to make 229 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: policy right with those that are doing the right thing 230 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: in mind? When are we going to start to recognize 231 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: that nicenes and euphemisms and patting everybody on the back 232 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: for doing the bare minimum doesn't fucking work. So it 233 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: brings me back to Joe Mansion. So one of the 234 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: reasons why Mansion is saying that he will vote no 235 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: on Build Back Better, and Chuck Schumer has recently said 236 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: that he is going to bring the legislation to the 237 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: floor because he wants everybody to be on record as 238 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: if that fucking matters. Nonetheless, Joe Mansion says he's not 239 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: going to vote for it because he doesn't believe in 240 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: the childcare tax credit, because he thinks that parents are 241 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: going to use that to go on vacation or to 242 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: use it for things that they do not need. And 243 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: the question that I tweeted when I heard that that 244 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: was one of his responses, was why doesn't anybody ask 245 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: Joe Mansion why he thinks that the American people are 246 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: so undeserving? Why he thinks that low income Americans are 247 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: lazy and not deserving of their own fucking money back. 248 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: I am so sick and tired of this narrative coming 249 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: down from this fucking uber wealthy about how they're going 250 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: to dictate certain things to low income people and to 251 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: the poor, and do so through a lens right, through 252 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: a lens of scarcity, but also through the perception that 253 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: these people are poor are low income because they just 254 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: don't work hard enough, and that if we give people 255 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: quote unquote handouts, then they won't want to do for themselves. 256 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: Because to me, basically, what you are saying is that 257 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: you do not believe in Americans. And I want somebody 258 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: to have Joe Mansion be on the record fucking saying 259 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: that as he is sitting on his seven hundred thousand 260 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: dollars yacht and driving in his fucking thousands of dollars 261 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: tens of thousands of dollar Maserati. Right, when you look 262 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: at West Virginia, they are at the bottom, the fucking 263 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: bottom of every socioeconomic indicator. Right, They're at the bottom 264 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: of healthcare, bottom of education. But this man they have 265 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: continued to elect for four fucking decades. I didn't have 266 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: the opportunity to vote for or against Joe Mansion because 267 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: I don't live in fucking West Virginia. But Joe Mansion 268 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: has the power in our broken, fucking democracy to vote 269 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: against eighty one million Americans. And we think that the 270 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: system is working for us, folks, let me tell you something. 271 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: Friend of the Show, Kurt Bardella also this week has 272 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: a really great piece set is up at USA today 273 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: which is his recommendations of what Democrats need to do. 274 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: But basically, what he has stated is that Democrats need 275 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: to prepare themselves for the fact that we are losing 276 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: the midterms. Right, the calendar year hasn't even changed, but 277 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: we can already sense what is in the air. Democrats 278 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: will lose the fucking House, and they will lose the 279 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: goddamn Senate. And what Republicans have already said is that 280 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: they will spend the next two years right making it 281 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 1: so that Donald Trump is going to be the nominee 282 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four. We will never have three and 283 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: fair elections, and they will end up probably throwing Joe 284 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: Biden in jail for whatever things that they want to 285 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: make up about him or his families. They have told 286 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: you out loud what the fuck they plan to do, 287 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: and so what Kurt Bardella says in his piece is like, 288 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: here's the thing. You need to operate off of the 289 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: fact that we are fucked and that we have nothing 290 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: left to lose. So instead of operating from this place 291 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: of fear, which is so the place of comfort for Democrats, right, 292 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: they are fearful of every goddamn thing. What will people think? 293 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: What about the movable middle? What about independence? We need 294 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: to be bipartisan? Fuck that. Guess what. Republicans don't want 295 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: to fuck with you, right, They've said that to you 296 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: time and time again. And as a matter of fact, 297 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: if you're really not paying attention, many of them have 298 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: threatened you all with fucking violence. Your colleagues in the 299 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: fucking Congress have threatened you with violence. So to think 300 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: that they're coming to the table for any bipartisan measure 301 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: is like dreaming about candy Land, I guess you probably 302 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: believe in Santa and the tooth Ferry as well. So 303 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: that's number one. Number two is this number two? Is this? 304 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: No one fears Democrats. That's what Kurt said in his 305 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: play and his Peace. No one fears them. They don't 306 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: fear the Commission, they don't fear the Department of Justice. 307 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: They don't fear this White House because they know they 308 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: have no teeth, because they've proven time and time again 309 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: that they are not willing to do what it takes 310 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: in order to save our democracy. So when you know 311 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: that you're going to continue to run them up, you 312 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: think Mark Meadows wasn't isn't afraid of the criminal indictments 313 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: that may or may not come down from the Department 314 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: of Justice because Merritt Garland has showed us that he 315 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: has no sense of urgency, that he doesn't think that 316 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: ourocracies in peril, and that apparently right. His colleague Bob Mother, 317 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: who put together a fucking walking memo of ten ways 318 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: that you can fucking charge Donald Trump, well he, I 319 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: guess put that in the bottom of the file draw 320 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: and locked it up. You have all of the evidence 321 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: in front of you. You know that the administration that 322 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: came before. You are a group of criminals. They have 323 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: fucking told you on podcasts and on Fox, and still 324 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: you do nothing. I am so tired, folks, of being 325 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: a part of a party that no one fears, being 326 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: a part of a party that all they want to 327 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: do is have in fighting about policies that the American 328 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: people honestly don't understand. Do what needs to be done, 329 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: get your fucking members in line. And if you're not 330 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: going to do it with carrots, right then it's time 331 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: to take out the fucking stick. I want to see 332 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: campaigns waged against Joe Manchin. I don't give a fuck 333 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: if we lose West Virginia, because frankly, we are losing 334 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: right now. Because if this is what power looks like, 335 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: if this is what winning in twenty twenty looks like, 336 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: then you can fucking have it, you know. I'm so 337 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: like infuriated because we have so much that is at stake, 338 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: There is so much that is at risk, and it 339 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: seems like there are only a handful of people that 340 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: recognize that truth. And so when Charlemagne says to Vice 341 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: President Kamala Harris, who's the president of the United States, 342 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: and she has the audacity to pop off and be like, 343 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: it's Joe Biden, don't act like a Republican. Well, then 344 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: Joe Biden should start acting like the fucking president, right, 345 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: Maybe do that. We are in a lot of trouble, folks, 346 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: Like as this year comes to a close and as 347 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: we get ready to move into twenty twenty two, we 348 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: are in a world of fucking trouble. Over eight hundred 349 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: thousand Americans are dead, Twenty five percent of the population 350 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: still doesn't want to get vaccinated. We have mass shootings 351 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: that are back on the rise. We have over four 352 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: hundred voter supression bills that are on the books. We 353 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: have you know, the rise in racism, rise in white supremacy. 354 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: We have so much climate change right. I mean, it 355 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: is either fire season, tornado season, hurricane season. But every 356 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: time these seasons roll around, they are once in a century. 357 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: How can it be once in a century? Every couple 358 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 1: of months, we are headed towards the end of days 359 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: in so many fucking ways. It's biblical what is happening 360 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: right now? And yet I'm waiting for Democrats to wipe 361 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: the call out their eyes and wake the fuck up. 362 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: We are out of getting to a point where we 363 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: have nothing to left to lose, so you better leave 364 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: it all on the fucking floor right now, or just leave. 365 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: The reality is is that I'm ready to fight. I've 366 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: never stopped fighting. The Trump administration and what they did 367 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: and Donald Trump descending down that escalator set off an 368 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: alarm inside of me that has yet to go, that 369 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: has yet for me to be able to hit snooze. 370 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: It has been blaring for the last five years, and 371 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: I want to know if anybody else can hear it. 372 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: There's so much at stake, and as we tick down 373 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: with just a handful of days left and this year, 374 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: all I keep wondering is, my God, what does twenty 375 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: twenty two have in store? Because I'm actually terrified to 376 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: find out, folks. Coming up next is a really hopeful, 377 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: hopeful conversation with Hope will Well and Sack. Hope Well 378 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 1: and Sack is the executive director of a Georgia initiative 379 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: to create a guaranteed income for black women of eight 380 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars eight hundred and fifty dollars a 381 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: month that could provide black women with breathing room, provide 382 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: them with the ability to understand what it's like to 383 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: thrive and not just survive. And I'm really excited because 384 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: Hope will offer to us a lot of statistics and 385 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: a lot of reasons why the in Her Hand initiative 386 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: that they have launched will launch, excuse me at the 387 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: beginning of twenty twenty two matters and could possibly present 388 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: itself as a model for what guaranteed income, which is 389 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: different from universal basic income, what guaranteed income could look 390 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: like for those communities that are always marginalized and never 391 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: invested in. So I'm very excited for the upcoming conversation 392 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: with Hope while in Sack, folks, I am very excited 393 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: to welcome to woke F for the first time Hope 394 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: wallin sach who is the executive director of Georgia Resilience 395 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: and Opportunity Fund or GROW Fund in Atlanta. The in 396 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: Her Hand initiative will be focusing on providing black women 397 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: with guaranteed income of around eight hundred and fifty dollars 398 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: a month over the next two years. And the hope here, 399 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm assuming, is to see how such a program that 400 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: we've heard in different formats and in different ways by 401 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: different politicians, how we can help those black women who 402 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: want are the base of the Democratic Party, who are 403 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: often heads of households, and who are often also making 404 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: fifty cents on the dollar or seventy five cents depending 405 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: on who's measuring on the dollar of white men. Hope, 406 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: thank you so much for making the time to join 407 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: us on woke F tell me more about this extraordinary 408 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: in Her Hands initiative and this program. Thank you so 409 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: much for having me, Daniel. Yes, so, just as you described, 410 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: the in Her Hands Initiative is a partnership between the 411 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: Georgia Resilience and Opportunity Fund or Growth Fund and give 412 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: directly and we'll be providing thirteen million to black women 413 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: across Georgia in a two year program that provides approximately 414 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: eight hundred and fifty dollars a month on average to 415 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: participants to over six hundred women across the state. Our focus, 416 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: or our launch site is the Old fourth Ward neighborhood 417 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: of Atlanta, which is directly in the heart of the 418 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: city of Atlanta. It's the neighborhood where doctor Martin Luther 419 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: King was born, where he preached to ebnez Or Baptist Church. 420 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: King was an early advocate for guaranteed income, especially in 421 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: his last book in nineteen sixty eight, Chaos our Community. 422 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: And yet this neighborhood today, like many neighborhoods across Atlanta 423 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: and across Georgia and probably across the country, although it 424 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: sits in the shadow of King's legacy of justice, it's 425 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: home to the largest concentration of Section eight housing jud 426 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: was too million dollars newly constructed homes. So we feel 427 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: that this neighborhood, like many neighborhoods across the city, across 428 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: the country, has a particular charge to pursue racial and 429 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: economic justice in really bold ways that are not just 430 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: a program, but also switching the paradigm on how we 431 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: understand economic insecurity and poverty. So very excited about the 432 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: launch of this program in early twenty twenty two and 433 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: all of the work that's gone into it over the 434 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: past couple of years to make it possible. Talk to 435 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: me about the difference between what you in this initiative 436 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: are calling a guaranteed basic income versus what we heard 437 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: in the you know, the initial I guess it would 438 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: be twenty nineteen, twenty twenty primary Democratic primary where we 439 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: had Andrew Yang talking about you know, universal basic income. 440 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: What are the distinctions between the two. Yeah, absolutely so. 441 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: Guaranteed income is a term that goes back to the 442 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: Civil rights movement also the Black power movement, and has 443 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: long been a term to describe sort of an unconditional 444 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: cash transfer program that has racial and economic justice at 445 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: the heart of it. Guaranteed income programs tend to be 446 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 1: targeted towards members of a specific community because we know 447 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: that these issues of racial and economic injustice and disparities 448 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: did not emerge out of nowhere. They emerge as a 449 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: result of policy, political and policy choices, and so if 450 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: we want to uproot some of those issues, we have 451 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: to tackle them head on, and we actually have to 452 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: under know the roots of where they came from and 453 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: be intentional about the solutions and policies that are going 454 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: to help to pursue a more more racially just and 455 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: equitable economy. And so guaranteed income tends to be more 456 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: focused on members from a specific community and at least 457 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: started beginning with those communities and hute impacts. It begins 458 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: with those communities. Certainly can be widespread for everyone below 459 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: certain income thresholds, but tends to be more focused whereas 460 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: universal basic income most common proposals sort of our universe, 461 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: and so they would focus on everyone in a population 462 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: sort of even regardless of income, so a little bit 463 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: more targeted. The other is universal. As the title implies. 464 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: Now I have my thoughts, which I said at the top, 465 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: as to why this is being focused on black women initially. 466 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,239 Speaker 1: Can you explain more as to why they in Her 467 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,239 Speaker 1: Hands initiative, why it's focused on black women and not 468 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: just black people in general. Yeah, absolutely so. This program 469 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: is the result of a twenty twenty task force that 470 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: convened in Atlanta called the Old Fourth Ward Economic Security 471 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: Task Force and involved twenty stakeholders from across the metro 472 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: Atlanta area as well as several national stakeholders. And of 473 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: course we began this work actually before the economic and 474 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: health public health impacts of COVID had really taken hold, 475 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: but certainly any trends that had already been in place 476 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: for hundreds of years were brought to the four and 477 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: really amplified. During twenty twenty, we saw that we finally 478 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: started to recognize and talking about it in regular discourse, 479 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: the disproportionate women were taking on in terms of childcare. 480 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: The unpaid limit for women also take on in terms 481 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: of sort of household duties and caretaking duties. We also 482 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: saw unemployment rate spike for women in particular, and of course, 483 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,719 Speaker 1: Black women live with the intersection of both gender inequality 484 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: and racial inequality, and they bear the brunt of both 485 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: of those. So women here in Georgia makes sixty three 486 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: cents on the dollar to their white male counterparts. We 487 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: know that those paid disparities also increase or widens as 488 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: we gain higher educational attainment, and so these disparities are 489 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: really pervasive. This task force asked open ended questions about 490 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: economic insecurity, and what we found when we barely scratch 491 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: the surface, was that although economic insecurity is pervasive, there 492 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: are certain communities that are feeling it more acutely. And 493 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: we would not be doing justice to tackling the problem 494 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: of economic insecurity if we did not face that head 495 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: on and start with some of the groups that are 496 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: facing the most pervasive, the most acute impacts of economic 497 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: insecurity and an economy that isn't working for everyone. And 498 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: so really this is how the task force really decided 499 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: to focus on Black women. Black women are one of 500 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: the groups most likely to live in poverty in Georgia. 501 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: They're also one of the groups like we stuck in 502 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: poverty in Georgia. And we know black women serve this 503 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: role as oftentimes head of households, but also like the 504 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: backbone of our community in so many ways, and so 505 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: we don't view this program as something that is a handout. 506 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: We view this as something people already deserve, and so 507 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: excited to help to bring the conversation into this is 508 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: what people already deserve and more and how do we 509 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: actually direct more of that towards these communities. Let's dig 510 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: into the already deserve peace, because you know, one of 511 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: the things that troubles me the most, particularly when we're 512 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: talking about let's just look on the macro level at 513 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: federal programs that we're looking right in this occurrent administration. 514 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: We just learned yesterday Build Back Better is dead in 515 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: the water, right because of one obstructionist Democrat who does 516 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: not care about the needs of a majority of Americans. 517 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: And the idea here to me is that we all 518 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: pay taxes. We pay a lot of taxes, right, particularly 519 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: middle income and low income people pay more than their 520 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: fair share. And I look at it, and I say 521 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: on wokop all the time that the social safety net 522 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: programs are the government reinvesting our money back in US, right, 523 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: And yet when you hear these conversations happen on Capitol Hill, 524 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: it is always, you know, clouded in this idea that 525 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: Americans are lazy, that like, what we shouldn't be giving 526 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: them money? Oh my god, cut off the COVID relief package, 527 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: you know, cut off the unemployment credits that we were 528 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: giving back to people. Because if we provide, right, if 529 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: we provide people with their own tax dollars back so 530 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: that they can live their day to day lives without 531 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: worrying about their basic needs, then they're not going to work. 532 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: And so how do you all push back against that 533 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: narrative and kind of help to reframe it, you know, 534 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: for people outside of oh, we're just giving these lazy 535 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: people money to sit on their couch, as opposed to 536 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: this is what they're owed right, right, right, This is 537 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: a system that we've already paid into, and so now 538 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: people just getting back a little bit of what we've 539 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: already paid into. Yeah, the core, at the core of 540 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: this initiative is changing changing the narrative on what people 541 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: broadly deserve and I think we start by doing that 542 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: by changing the narrative on what black women deserve. I 543 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: think for too long we have allowed the trope of 544 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: in the myth of the welfare queen Yep influence policy 545 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: that influences the material conditions of people across generations, across communities, 546 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: and it is no longer acceptable. We need to face 547 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: it head on and say this is everyone deserves a decent, 548 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: dignified life. Why why have we why have we decided 549 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: policies that actually undercut people's ability to do that. The 550 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: truth is, the federal government, state governments play a huge 551 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: role in determining who receives resources from, you know, those 552 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: at the top to those at the bottom, and for 553 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: some groups of people we put in these restrictions for 554 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: some for some types of resource allocation, people have to 555 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: jump through whos. And that is inherently linked to our 556 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 1: conceptions of who deserves what in this economy. And so 557 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: at some point I think we sort of we change 558 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: the narrative by building a new one. And that's what 559 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: this program is. We are building something new. We are 560 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: recognizing we're not waiting for someone else to recognize our deservedness. 561 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: We're saying we have it already, and so certainly everyone 562 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: deserves a decent and dignified life. And so when we can, 563 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: when we support black women, who have often been the 564 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: punching bag on these policies, that we can begin to 565 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: uproot this system that is actually failing broadly many different 566 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: groups of women, but many different groups of people, I'm sorry, 567 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: but on the back of really black women and by 568 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: using them as the punching bag here. So I mean, 569 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: I think it goes without saying, people who are cash 570 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: or experience in cash shortfalls, low income for whatever the 571 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: term is, are incredibly resilient and resourceful. I think they 572 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: could actually probably teach some folks who have a lot 573 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: more more funds on like the best ways to make 574 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,959 Speaker 1: one dollar turn into two and to stretch a dollar. 575 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: But we don't view it that way. We actually view 576 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: it the opposite. I view it that actually our communities 577 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: are incredible places of wealth and knowledge on how to 578 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: make an economy that is works for everyone, not just 579 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: on an individual level, but on a community level, and 580 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: to think about sort of how to make resources go further. 581 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: But we don't tap into that knowledge. In fact, we 582 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: do the opposite view. We view it as a place 583 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: of absence of knowledge, a deficit based mindset versus a 584 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: asset based mindset. So hopefully this program can help to 585 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: uproot some of those some of those tropes, and certainly 586 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,479 Speaker 1: our evaluation aspect of this program, we'll be looking into 587 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: some of the questions you you just asked, So let's 588 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: get into some of the nitty gritties of the program, 589 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: which you know, again, I think it's extraordinary, right because 590 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: I think, you know, I have been thinking it, particularly 591 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: since the pandemic where millions of people lost their jobs. 592 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: You know, when I was quarantining with my family in 593 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: twenty twenty at the height, you know, of the of 594 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: the pandemic, I saw lines around food pantries that I 595 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: didn't even know existed in the community that I grew 596 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: up in. And there were lines that we saw on 597 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: national news just I mean miles long, with people just 598 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: needing to get a box of food so that they 599 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: could get through the next couple of weeks. And I 600 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: thought to myself, how often do we say that America 601 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: is the wealthiest nation. America is this beacon, and yet 602 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 1: a majority of Americans, if a four hundred dollars bill 603 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: can do wouldn't be able to pay it, and that 604 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: has stayed consistent, you know, over the years. And so 605 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: with this program, how do people opt in? Right? And 606 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: then what are what are some of I guess the 607 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: recordings or the reflections that you all will be get 608 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: will be receiving from the participants in the program terrific. 609 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: So we'll be launching in the Old fourth Ward neighborhood 610 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: of Atlanta, and then we'll be expanding out to a 611 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: couple additional geographies across the state. So people will will 612 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: be doing enrollment in reaching out to folks within these 613 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: selected neighborhoods to focus to let them know that they 614 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: may be eligible for the program and encourage them to apply. 615 00:37:52,440 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: And so all right out, let me let me think. 616 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: So we hope that this program, certainly it's one of 617 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: the largest guaranteed income programs in the country. It's also 618 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: the largest program in the country focused on black women. 619 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: It's the largest guaranteed income program in the South. And 620 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: yet we know we would love to actually see this 621 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: work grow because we know it's a bit of a 622 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,320 Speaker 1: drop in the bucket compared to be of the problem. 623 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: And so we hope that this it's going to be 624 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: selected areas across the state. We're really about the size 625 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 1: of it, but we also hope that you know, it 626 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: can grow even further and that this program has actually 627 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: an influence on state or federal policy towards similar type solutions. 628 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: And we have some ideas on what sort of a 629 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: guaranteed income could look like at scale, but that is 630 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 1: essentially how the program will be ruled out. And it's 631 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: so it's a short term initiative in the hopes of 632 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: generating insights and learnings and that would compel us towards 633 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: sort of old old policy change towards these types of solutions. 634 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: What does eligibility look like? Do you have to be 635 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: at you know, at or below poverty level? Do you 636 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: have to have depends you know, a certain amount of dependence. Yeah, 637 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: this is one of the first programs you do. You 638 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 1: do not need dependence. So, okay, you can be um 639 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 1: a parent or or not a parent and participate in 640 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 1: this program. You um, it's focused on black women and 641 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: focused on black women in specific geographies and so and 642 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: then there is an income threshold for participation in the program, 643 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: which will let people know for the specific geographies. Okay, 644 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's just I really love this idea and 645 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: I'm excited to see how it changes, you know, how 646 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: how it changes the communities that you're going to be 647 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: tapping in. Just tell us, you know, one of my 648 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: last questions is, you know, tell us about what your 649 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: hopes are, what what what do you hope to see 650 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: um from out of the out of this two years 651 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: and you know, how do you think that it will 652 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:03,399 Speaker 1: change the lives the participants? Yeah, our hope for these 653 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: two years is that we're able to increase the economic 654 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: security and financial stability of individuals who participate in the program. 655 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: We know that although cash shortfalls and financial insecurity, we 656 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: use it that term as if it's really abstract from 657 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: people's everyday lives, but it affects the material conditions of 658 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: people's lives, the duration of their life, and the quality 659 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 1: of one's life. So we hope that this, in some 660 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: small way. It is certainly not enough, and people deserve more, 661 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,439 Speaker 1: but in some small way gives people back a little 662 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: bit of time, a little bit of autonomy, a little 663 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: bit of freedom to make choices, a little bit of 664 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,760 Speaker 1: breathing room. Finally for them to just have a second 665 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,320 Speaker 1: to take a step back and take care of themselves 666 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: and their loved ones. Individuals experience cash shortfalls, but those 667 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: ripple effects are felt across generations, it is felt across communities, 668 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: it is felt across household units. And so we hope 669 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: that there are some ripple effects even across communities with 670 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: this type of program. And so our goal is, yes, 671 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 1: to improve the sort of financial security of folks in 672 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: the short run, and we think that we'll have sort 673 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 1: of impacts on their financial well being in the long term, 674 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: their mental health and well in physical health in the 675 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: long term, as well as a number of other factors. 676 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: But really, if I had to boil it down, giving 677 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: folks just that breathing room, and then I think a 678 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: second objective for the program is to influence influence policy. 679 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: Something about what we've been doing isn't working. As you said, 680 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 1: the majority of Americans in a four to four hundred 681 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,840 Speaker 1: dollar emergency. We can keep trying the same things and 682 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: investing in the same things over and over, or we 683 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,879 Speaker 1: can finally take a step back and say, why don't 684 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: we listen to people in communities about what their needs 685 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: are and then do something about it. Let's place the 686 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: power in the hands of the people. Closest to the 687 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,720 Speaker 1: problem to develop solutions on solving it and actually listen 688 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: to them when they're telling us what the root of 689 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: the problem is. We heard income community members cash would 690 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: be a game changer. It is very difficult to budget 691 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: plan for your life when month after a month your 692 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: experiencing cashhort falls. And so we hope that this program 693 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: has some short term implications for program participants, but also 694 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: begins to shift the paradigm on how we even develop 695 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: policies in the first place, and whose voices are centered 696 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: in that in that decision making process. You know, it's 697 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 1: always the people who are so distant from the actual 698 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: problem that are the ones that are making policy. And 699 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: one of the things that you had said, you know, earlier, 700 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:37,840 Speaker 1: is low income communities are so much more resilient because 701 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: they have always had to do more with less. And 702 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, and this idea that a lot of politicians, 703 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: not just you know, Republicans, but Democrats alike, really look 704 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,399 Speaker 1: at low income communities as through a deficit lens, as 705 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 1: opposed to saying, like we are in a bucks supposedly 706 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: an abundant nation, right, and so how is it that 707 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,879 Speaker 1: we are unable to help the least among us and 708 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,359 Speaker 1: why is that? And it is because I believe that 709 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: they don't think that these people are deserving. We have 710 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 1: set up this idea around you know, if you are wealthy, right, 711 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: then we should be taking advice from you. You should 712 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: be providing, you know, books on success and how to achieve. 713 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,959 Speaker 1: And I'm just like, how when you look at most 714 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 1: of those people, the super wealthy, the one percent, they 715 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: received money from family right to start their businesses, to 716 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,320 Speaker 1: do these things, and it's like you should be asking 717 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: questions of those that have been able to make the 718 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 1: most out of the least about how you thrive right? 719 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,320 Speaker 1: And I think that moving this fun to me, seems 720 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 1: like an opportunity to move people from a place of 721 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: survival into actually thriving. Like what does it mean, you know, 722 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,240 Speaker 1: to be able to have breathing room, whether you're putting 723 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: that money back into the economy or you're saving it, 724 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 1: or you find like I have a little bit to 725 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 1: invest in something right and grow it from there. And 726 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: I think that that's really important. Holly tell us, if 727 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: folks want to find out more information, if they want 728 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: to get involved, how they can find you all. Absolutely, 729 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 1: so folks can visit the Growth Fund dot org to 730 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: learn more about our work and also support our work. Yeah, 731 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: I just you know, I really want to commend you. 732 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,240 Speaker 1: I hope that we can circle back in a couple 733 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,879 Speaker 1: of months to hear how things are going, how many 734 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 1: participants that you have, and what are some of the 735 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 1: testimonies coming out from the women that you're helping, because 736 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,399 Speaker 1: I think that that's going to be really important too. 737 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 1: I want to definitely hear hear their voices about what 738 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 1: it means to be able to know that you have 739 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 1: this guaranteed income coming in and how you're better able 740 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:56,800 Speaker 1: to plan your life moving forward rather than dealing paycheck 741 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,839 Speaker 1: to paycheck. So, Hollie, thank you so much for making 742 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: the time to join us on woke f and I 743 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 1: hope to have you back to hear how well things 744 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 1: are going and for those people that are interested in 745 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:13,439 Speaker 1: getting in contact folks had to grow dot org. Thank 746 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: you so much. We'd love to be back. That is 747 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: it for me today. Friends on woke F as always, 748 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: power to the people and to all the people. Power, 749 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,439 Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck.