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Speaker 1: of move some things around on you guys, slightly different,
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Speaker 1: little tell me more today. I mean, yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: a chance for Dane's a little bit of game at
Speaker 1: the at the end of the show. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw it over to you right now, David Helmont, if
Speaker 1: you can do that, I can do that. And I
Speaker 1: listened to the people. I'm a man of the people.
Speaker 1: Man of the people. We've gotten a lot of requests
Speaker 1: about this guy. He has been linked to the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: We've definitely mentioned his name at some point during this
Speaker 1: draft process. But just a little thumbnail, little deeper dive,
Speaker 1: tell me more about Edo Smith, the Southern miss running
Speaker 1: back whose name you have probably heard if you've been
Speaker 1: following the Cowboys Senior Bowl guy. Yeah, a player we
Speaker 1: didn't can see at the combine. It was one of
Speaker 1: those snubs, sure talking about We're talking a lot about
Speaker 1: these snubs. Really productive, these second all time in Southern
Speaker 1: MISSI history and rushing yards. A little under sized, sure,
Speaker 1: five nine two pounds, sure, underpowered, He's not that inside
Speaker 1: runners going to consistently you know, breakthrough tackles. But I
Speaker 1: like investing in space. Yeah, screen game, Yeah, that's where
Speaker 1: he really shine. Catches the football absolutely, one hunifty catches
Speaker 1: in his college career. It's a really good player out
Speaker 1: of the backfield. If he can improve as a blocker,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's your lansdoone bar. I mean that's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's your guy that can be in on third down.
Speaker 1: And this team they've shown some interest in him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't you kind of get the vibe that that's the
Speaker 1: running back that they want, that that guy that could Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know if you look at who they've also visited
Speaker 1: with with Hines from North Carolina State. Hines is the
Speaker 1: third round version. This is the late round. This is
Speaker 1: the late round version. Absolutely, so yeah, I totally agree
Speaker 1: with Dane. I feel like, though, if you can find
Speaker 1: a way a lot of these guys, with the way
Speaker 1: football in college football is nowadays, a lot of these
Speaker 1: guys run the football well, they learn to catch the football,
Speaker 1: but they don't know a lot about the pass block.
Speaker 1: And because they've been doing things, it's very rare that
Speaker 1: you see a guy now there's you know, we've talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, Walton and Kelly and those guys as possible
Speaker 1: guys is in the mixes that shorter quicker. I personally
Speaker 1: would rather have one of those guys. Hines would be
Speaker 1: my list of the top guy when it comes to
Speaker 1: say Smith, but you're right, he's more of a later
Speaker 1: round guy. You know, we've talked about as a later
Speaker 1: round guy. This might be a consideration for them. They
Speaker 1: hit it one of those fourth round picks, which would
Speaker 1: probably be a little rich for me. But I kind
Speaker 1: of have a feeling with they're picking on this board.
Speaker 1: We might see them on draft day when we start
Speaker 1: talking about this, Hey, maybe it's a round high for us,
Speaker 1: but to them, where they're thinking about in the order
Speaker 1: that they might have to snag that guy, maybe they
Speaker 1: don't get him the second time around. This is actually
Speaker 1: a twitter on the twenty question from Paolo, but it
Speaker 1: fits what we're talking about so well. I'm just curious.
Speaker 1: He's not as small, but I mean if if Hines
Speaker 1: is the third round version of that, Sony Michelle is
Speaker 1: what I mean. He's not as small, but he I
Speaker 1: think of him as that type of back too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's also I think a little more where he's
Speaker 1: not a specialized when you know, you feel comfortable to
Speaker 1: do a lot more right feel. I think him starts
Speaker 1: shy Michelle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, North South Runner. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean that's yeah. But he can also do those thing
Speaker 1: and that's why he's gonna be. Sony's gonna be a
Speaker 1: second pick to these other guys. One thing I really
Speaker 1: liked about Edo two. Only the tenth player in FBS
Speaker 1: history to rush for over four thousand yards in his
Speaker 1: career and a thousand yards receiving its Yeah there you go,
Speaker 1: one of ten players to ever do it. I mean
Speaker 1: that says something about his versatility as an offensive player.
Speaker 1: I dig the sound of that. Yeah, I mean I know. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's compare him, then we because we tend to like
Speaker 1: maybe Williams from Ella Shoe a little more, which okay,
Speaker 1: is Williamson the is the the round earlier than Edo Smith? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I think they're a little different because like Darrel Williams,
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable on third and one. He can probably
Speaker 1: get you that one yard Riedo Smith, Yeah, he probably
Speaker 1: don't feel that way, but uh d, the space is different.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I won't shut up about Darryl Williams. Right,
Speaker 1: But that's kind of my point is that they're not
Speaker 1: looking they don't appear to be looking at that type
Speaker 1: of running back, right. Look, they are, They're comfortable with
Speaker 1: Rod Smith, but a second running back, Okay, who is
Speaker 1: the guy that they could be? That which the difference
Speaker 1: and I would rather I would rather just have a
Speaker 1: well rounded guy who can do a little bit of everything.
Speaker 1: I think everyone team won, right, But dud Okay, let
Speaker 1: me let me ask you a question. Since you cover
Speaker 1: the team full time, Rod Smith enough for you feel
Speaker 1: like that when you had to play him that yes, well,
Speaker 1: what you saw maybe with the Giants game late the
Speaker 1: year or is this all? Yes? Yes, the thing about
Speaker 1: Rod Smith and people always ask me about this, like, well,
Speaker 1: why don't you just give Rod Smith any credit? It's
Speaker 1: just that he's he's on a one year deal. He's
Speaker 1: got one year left on his contract. Do you want
Speaker 1: to bring him back? How expensive will it be to
Speaker 1: bring him back? And you know it's the age old thing.
Speaker 1: Would you rather you know, pay a vetter and more
Speaker 1: money or just drafting him? You draft Daryl Williams in
Speaker 1: the fourth or fifth round, You got him for four years,
Speaker 1: he can probably even he could probably be your backup.
Speaker 1: I don't but I don't have a beef. I don't
Speaker 1: have a problem with Rod Smith. I think he's he's
Speaker 1: very underrated. I think he played well when he had
Speaker 1: his chances last year. And if that's what they want
Speaker 1: to do, that's fine with me. It doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1: Would a fourth round pick be too rich though for
Speaker 1: a guy that might be just a part time player.
Speaker 1: If you talk about it Edo Smith, I mean, is
Speaker 1: Rod Smith gonna be the primary backup that's going to
Speaker 1: see or do you feel like that this staff could
Speaker 1: do something with Edo Smith or any other back that
Speaker 1: they they kind of you know, the Kelly's. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: let's look at last year's fourth round pick. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean with Ryan Switzer. You know, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: use him correctly and you're gonna he's gonna make an
Speaker 1: impact on your team, then that's that's that's a good
Speaker 1: point right there. But we can argue that Ryan Switzer
Speaker 1: wasn't used maybe to his full capacity as a rookie.
Speaker 1: So we'll see moving forward how he's used. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm fine with Edo Smith or I guess,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he's a fourth round pick,
Speaker 1: but that type of back definitely. Finally, is he more
Speaker 1: of a fifth round guy for your spike six I
Speaker 1: game a seventh round grade? Okay, but I mean, you
Speaker 1: know we're talking. They have how many picks on day
Speaker 1: through a seven picks on ya? Yeah, so if they
Speaker 1: used a pick on him in the fifth or sixth round,
Speaker 1: at it, you know, at that point, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: in love with this team's or this coaching staff's ability
Speaker 1: with specialized players. Sure, and that's why I'd rather just
Speaker 1: have a guy who like he could be your third
Speaker 1: running back and catch the ball out of the backfield,
Speaker 1: but he could also take eighteen carries if he needed to.
Speaker 1: Like I like a specialized guy. Don't love the sound
Speaker 1: of that. That's just me. Okay, that was That was
Speaker 1: purely for the fans. Good conversation, Thank you. This is
Speaker 1: purely for me because I'm a homer. Yeah, uh New
Speaker 1: Orleans guy. I actually I'm I feel old because I
Speaker 1: covered this guy's high school recruitment and now he's getting
Speaker 1: ready to go to the NFL. But tell me more
Speaker 1: about UCLA linebacker Kenny Young really good against a run?
Speaker 1: Not I mean, he tested better than I thought he would, yep,
Speaker 1: But I don't think he'd played like on tape, the
Speaker 1: play speed, the play athleticism. I didn't think it was
Speaker 1: as impressive as the testing numbers were. Um, there were
Speaker 1: times where you know, I thought he you know, there
Speaker 1: was separation and coverage that just continued, just gained separation.
Speaker 1: He wasn't able to close the gap. I thought he's
Speaker 1: a late round linebacker, a guy that better against the
Speaker 1: run in the past, or did you see anything different now?
Speaker 1: The thing that I think he's the athletic ability is
Speaker 1: what you saw at the at the combine. He saw
Speaker 1: him the testing the part. One of my notes was
Speaker 1: about the flow, the flow to the ball, the ability
Speaker 1: to get to the ball, you know, And I did
Speaker 1: see a guy that could get outside in a hurry.
Speaker 1: I worried a little bit though about the you know,
Speaker 1: in the coverage aspect of things, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: where you see, Okay, flow to the ball, read go,
Speaker 1: that kind of guy. But then you see him in
Speaker 1: coverage and you don't see the same instincts and things
Speaker 1: like that. That bothered me a little bit about him.
Speaker 1: But I was kind of I did see a good athlete,
Speaker 1: I really really does. So I got to step up
Speaker 1: and take on blockers too a little bit. I thought
Speaker 1: it's like I had a little bit more physicality. But
Speaker 1: the coverage, I don't know if he how good he
Speaker 1: is in coverage and so how is he going to
Speaker 1: be a guy that's limited because all he does is
Speaker 1: flow and make tackles running into football or can you
Speaker 1: play him every down? That that's the concern I had
Speaker 1: about him. Where can I get him? What are else grades?
Speaker 1: I gave him six seven, Yeah, I was in I
Speaker 1: gave him a sixth round grade, is what I did.
Speaker 1: Draft him late, let him play special teams and develop.
Speaker 1: You know, if we were we were talking about if
Speaker 1: he doesn't love it, it's fine, l round sure, I mean, well,
Speaker 1: the thing about it is, okay, what are you gonna
Speaker 1: do for Kyle Wilbur That's that's kind of what That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like everybody obviously, but they did it
Speaker 1: also though, what did you do with Mark and Sacha?
Speaker 1: But you mean, it seems like this team is always
Speaker 1: looking for who's the guy that's going to be the
Speaker 1: backup linebacker that you know, the kid has athletic ability.
Speaker 1: That that's there's no question about markin Zacha shouldn't leave
Speaker 1: a bad taste in anybody's mouth. Though he was a
Speaker 1: seventh round pick, he played a little bit of special teams,
Speaker 1: he had some spot to right, and he got claimed
Speaker 1: by another team like that. I mean, that's a that's
Speaker 1: but did you know what God's been just a medical
Speaker 1: with Mark and Sacha? A lot of that with medical.
Speaker 1: But I guess I guess my point is, you know,
Speaker 1: we talked so much about somebody who can back up
Speaker 1: Sean Lee and Jalen Smith and potentially start, but you
Speaker 1: need late round linebackers who can play special teams and oh,
Speaker 1: this team's gonna draft linebackers. Yeah, they might very well
Speaker 1: do it with the nineteenth pick. Well yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: got the linebacker at two thirty six. Yeah, you still
Speaker 1: find a role for him. He absolutely don't want him
Speaker 1: to play. The lot to like about him. He Uh,
Speaker 1: he's a big, raw, raw guy who's actually a member
Speaker 1: of the UCLA debate team. Yeah. So, I mean this
Speaker 1: is a guy who you know, he's going to have
Speaker 1: a voice even as a rookie. So not a bad
Speaker 1: guy to bring in the later round. But yeah, he's
Speaker 1: absolutely right. I mean, just looking through the linebackers, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just kind of just the guys I
Speaker 1: have there, that sixth round type of guy. He's the
Speaker 1: top of the list of those guys. Tell me more
Speaker 1: about this small school guy at a position of need
Speaker 1: safety out of Jacksonville State by the name of Siran Neil.
Speaker 1: Another senior Bowl guy. Uh, by the time April rolls around,
Speaker 1: I don't remember who we even watch. Uh, guy who's
Speaker 1: been kind of mixed and match over his career. Put
Speaker 1: a corner, put a safety play, kind of that overhang linebacker,
Speaker 1: a hybrid of all. I mean, kind of a mismatch
Speaker 1: player because he's big, he's physical as a good athlete. Right,
Speaker 1: The kind of the key is where you play him, right?
Speaker 1: Is is he in the box? Can you can you
Speaker 1: line up over the slot? That's a big question with him.
Speaker 1: At a the Senior Bowl, he did some good things.
Speaker 1: We saw him press at corner. I think that kind
Speaker 1: of showed he's probably a better safety, right, kind of
Speaker 1: his struggles there, but he's a good athlete. I think
Speaker 1: I put him as a safety on my board, right,
Speaker 1: Is he a safety for you? Absolutely? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: Danius got the guy right. I just don't know where, Okay,
Speaker 1: down back, where do you play? He could play something
Speaker 1: that There's a lot of guys in this draft that
Speaker 1: seem like they can cover. But do you want them
Speaker 1: playing back? You know if you're yeah, you're you're trying
Speaker 1: to find every safety in the draft. Yeah, you're trying
Speaker 1: to find somebody, a big boy golden who can do
Speaker 1: no wrong. Well golden to me and I just can't
Speaker 1: it over why people And maybe maybe I'm missing something myself,
Speaker 1: But you throw on that Tennessee tape. He could he
Speaker 1: could cover, he could tackle, he's got range, he's got
Speaker 1: ball skills, why not play him deep? I mean he's
Speaker 1: but they're gonna say, oh, he ran a four to
Speaker 1: sixth one of the combine. I really don't care. It's
Speaker 1: like Josie Jewel when you when a guy makes every
Speaker 1: single tackle, I'm gonna I'm gonna pay attention to that guy.
Speaker 1: Sure that to me. And I didn't mean. I didn't
Speaker 1: mean to hijackers. No, no, no, but I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: But it goes back to the safeties. It goes back
Speaker 1: to the safe theme for this year is that the
Speaker 1: vast majority of these safeties you don't sound excited about
Speaker 1: their ability to cover and play, you know, back, and
Speaker 1: that's why they're safeties. Yeah, you know, I mean that's
Speaker 1: well with this guy, well, the I think the Southern
Speaker 1: miss kid more. We talked a little bit about him though,
Speaker 1: Now I think he's Yeah, the place be or the
Speaker 1: testing was outstanding. Yeah, and he shows that on film.
Speaker 1: This is a film A lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: folks late to that one. Van Deesh. We're talking about
Speaker 1: being as sending player, right, the same thing with this guy.
Speaker 1: You know, he was a Juco kid only one year
Speaker 1: starter or so other miss he's getting better and better. Uh.
Speaker 1: But with Saran neil Um, you know he's again I
Speaker 1: think some teams look him as a press corner. I
Speaker 1: think he's better as like a nickel safety, a guy
Speaker 1: that you can move around a little bit in a pinch.
Speaker 1: Can he go up on the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 1: press over the slot? Shirt could do that? But I
Speaker 1: saw it with Xavier Woods. I don't think we've talked
Speaker 1: a bunch about Xavier Woods being a nickel corner in
Speaker 1: the National Football League, And all of a sudden, what's
Speaker 1: he doing after the Chargers game, He's playing press corner
Speaker 1: in the nickel and we're all going, whoa, look out
Speaker 1: here we go. But he didn't. You know, he wasn't
Speaker 1: any worse for wear. So so I was, Yeah, at
Speaker 1: least these safeties though, because I think the Cowboys, and
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys might hit when at fifty, I
Speaker 1: really do. And it could very well be a guy
Speaker 1: like more Again I talk about I talk about guys. Huh, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you this. When they're picking in the
Speaker 1: middle of the board there, it's gonna be, it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: You might have to almost think around early. Yeah, really,
Speaker 1: we're gonna dang, we're all gonna sit there on draft
Speaker 1: Day that those three days and go well, again, I
Speaker 1: say little early. It was little early for me. Little early,
Speaker 1: but they're thinking if we wait till, if we wait
Speaker 1: to eighty one, we're not gonna get this guy, especially
Speaker 1: a free safety where we know those those are endangered
Speaker 1: species in the draft. Yeah, you know guys that can cover,
Speaker 1: guys that have to have a speed. So yeah, if
Speaker 1: it's like kind of not like quarterbacks, but you know,
Speaker 1: similar where if you don't have one, you better tackles,
Speaker 1: offensive tackles. If you don't get your offensive tackle in
Speaker 1: the first round, probably not gonna get one on the
Speaker 1: second round, right, at least start your quality. And so
Speaker 1: with free safeties, you might have to get a guy
Speaker 1: like more in the second round because you can't just
Speaker 1: you know, hope and praise there at eighty one. Right,
Speaker 1: we're not we're not gonna be surprised by the picks,
Speaker 1: but we might be surprised by the round where they're called. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just I'm just trying to get fans out there
Speaker 1: of any if you're even if you're watching from another
Speaker 1: another market, and teams not the Cowboys and your team's
Speaker 1: picking at the near the bottom of the board. Just
Speaker 1: kind of don't be surprised if your team is like
Speaker 1: clicking guys off that the draft experts might think. Or
Speaker 1: I have him in the third round and all of
Speaker 1: a suddy, he's taking the second round. Oh, I've got
Speaker 1: him in the fourth round. He's taken in the third.
Speaker 1: Don't be surprised by that, because teams will say, listen,
Speaker 1: if we don't grab this guy now, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: get him. That's gonna be the bottom line there. Let's
Speaker 1: hit the trifecta for Southern Miss. Shout out all my
Speaker 1: Hattiesburg people. Tell me more about Southern Miss wide receiver
Speaker 1: Corey Robertson pleasantly surprised. I turn on the tape with him.
Speaker 1: Big physical guy who can break tackles, stretch, you know,
Speaker 1: short gains into long gains with his ability after the catch.
Speaker 1: Not the fastest guy, you know, he's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a plotter into his into his routes. But there's
Speaker 1: a lot to like there. I mean as a mid
Speaker 1: round receiver, you know, I think he's some teams will
Speaker 1: him over like a semi Cobbs. Oh no, yeah, because
Speaker 1: there's a lot to his game that you really appreciate him.
Speaker 1: Going over the middle is fun, right, that's the type
Speaker 1: of receiver that defenders don't want to see him over
Speaker 1: the middle. He makes circus place Dave, he really does.
Speaker 1: He will make some circus catches on it. He's physical
Speaker 1: off the line, He'll go low for football. He's got balance,
Speaker 1: he understands the sideline awareness and stuff like that. Somebody's
Speaker 1: going to get a heck of a football player with
Speaker 1: this kid. Those Southern miss kids are usually really tough,
Speaker 1: hard nosed kids. They don't have like their facilities aren't
Speaker 1: the best, and they play. They ride a bus to games.
Speaker 1: You know, there's some toughness about those Southern miss kids.
Speaker 1: That's where we talk about the safety more. You know,
Speaker 1: those kids kind of get it, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: hanging around Brett Farve did that. I learned a lot
Speaker 1: about Southern miss kids that way because he was always like, man,
Speaker 1: we don't have anything, and this is way way back
Speaker 1: and they still don't have as much. They still don't
Speaker 1: have as much. But I'll tell you what, gritty kids,
Speaker 1: tough kids. The Robinson kid goes out, he makes plays.
Speaker 1: You throw him to football anywhere he's gonna find you're
Speaker 1: right across the middle time point. Well, and one thing
Speaker 1: I do worry about him is he relied on that
Speaker 1: physicality to beat up Conference USA corners in the NFL.
Speaker 1: That's not gonna work as much. He needs to add
Speaker 1: a little more nuance to as well. Yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: four or five nine guy. Here's what I mean he is.
Speaker 1: He is a four or five nine guy. There's not
Speaker 1: I mean, there's the quickness, explosive, this all that. It's
Speaker 1: it's really more about physicality with him than it is
Speaker 1: which is sure afthletic ability six zero zero five to twelve. Yeah, not,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not bad. I'm not posting his nicknames
Speaker 1: d block. Yes, that's bringing up what I like it.
Speaker 1: That's all I got though, Oh yeah, today, that's all
Speaker 1: I got today? Really? Yeah? All right man, I mean
Speaker 1: it's forty men, we're at twenty. He started five minutes
Speaker 1: late today. Do you I mean, do you want to
Speaker 1: go you want to go out? One more guy? Could
Speaker 1: be one more the beast right here, just give me
Speaker 1: one more guy. I can be one more guy. Just
Speaker 1: give me. Just pick a guy out of there. Man,
Speaker 1: all right, let's pick a guy. We've got dead We've
Speaker 1: got dead air right here. That's it is. It is
Speaker 1: interesting from Southern Miss. How many guys? Oh, sure, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect that, Ober. No, but no, but about
Speaker 1: you know Smith, you do about some of these guys.
Speaker 1: But you know, in October I wasn't. I didn't expect
Speaker 1: to be talking as much about Southern miss as we
Speaker 1: are at this point in the draft. Good point, all right,
Speaker 1: No I got one yet because I know this name,
Speaker 1: because I know the school. Dane obviously knows the school
Speaker 1: like they just crank guys out, and even their mid
Speaker 1: round guys are worth talking about for that reason. But
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about Jerome Baker out of Ohio State.
Speaker 1: In the name, he's gonna go a lot higher than I.
Speaker 1: I am not a fan of his. Yeah, you picked
Speaker 1: a guy, tell me all about it. Because you like
Speaker 1: you like linebackers would be a little tough, right, I
Speaker 1: do like linebackers would be a little tough. That's why
Speaker 1: you don't like them. Yeah, I want you want to
Speaker 1: hear you know, I'd like to like. My first line
Speaker 1: is I'd like to see him take on square. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything is half man with him. He's kind of a
Speaker 1: turn and you know, shoulder and he never takes anybody
Speaker 1: on square. He's a really good athlete though, because you
Speaker 1: see him working through the trash and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: The classic. Yeah, but he doesn't finish. He is one
Speaker 1: of the win and I know we're watching the little
Speaker 1: a little cut ups here of him stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But plays bakery. Yeah, he made some plays here, but
Speaker 1: normally he does not finish and that and that bothered
Speaker 1: me about him when you watch him play a bunch
Speaker 1: of tape and stuff like that. Again, probably showing a bunch,
Speaker 1: i'd say him do it. But overall though, yeah, he
Speaker 1: overall though, there's he's generally a low tackler, like a
Speaker 1: dip get down, low, don't wrap up kind of guys.
Speaker 1: So I had a hard I thought I had a
Speaker 1: hard time dealing with him because I thought he had
Speaker 1: a hard time dealing with size too. That was another
Speaker 1: thing that bothered me about this. When he has a
Speaker 1: clear runway, Oh sure it looks really good. Sure, I
Speaker 1: think there's not only the physicality, which I percent agree
Speaker 1: with you with. And he's a slow processor. Now he
Speaker 1: takes a moment for him to see it and then
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Speaker 1: you know. The last line of the thing is lazy
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Speaker 1: all the way. You know what it's about information, Dave.
Speaker 1: I know you're right about information, and it's about the
Speaker 1: fan wanting to know about their information. And the fans
Speaker 1: had some good questions today, Carlos, which we've beaten. We've
Speaker 1: beaten the trade up from nineteen into the ground to
Speaker 1: the I mean, I don't know what else we have
Speaker 1: we could say about it. I go, that's what we
Speaker 1: need to say. Let's go go get the player. Carlos says,
Speaker 1: So what about trading up from fifty the old DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence maneuver? Right, trade up from fifty into the you know,
Speaker 1: thirties forties? Yeah? How is that different? How is the
Speaker 1: price different? How is the strategy different? How do you
Speaker 1: feel about it? Okay, let's give you example. Our pick
Speaker 1: at fifty Carlos, Right, yeah, is worth four hundred points?
Speaker 1: All right? If we want to go to say, let's
Speaker 1: go to the thirty six pick. Okay, so we want
Speaker 1: to go for thirty six. Now I want to say
Speaker 1: d law was forty eight to thirty four. I think, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: you want to go thirty four. Well, just I'm trying
Speaker 1: to gauge the spot. All right. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: you said fifty to thirty six, right, So that's the
Speaker 1: same number of spots as the Lawrence trip. Right, that's
Speaker 1: five that picks worth five hundred and forty points. So
Speaker 1: you're one hundred and forty points shy right, you're looking,
Speaker 1: you're looking, you're an overpay would be your third. But
Speaker 1: that's probably what you would have to with. What you'd
Speaker 1: have to do it, Lawrence, So that if you want
Speaker 1: to go up, if you want to go up to
Speaker 1: thirty six, you would probably have to part ways with
Speaker 1: eighty one. Yeah, if you're willing to do that, all right.
Speaker 1: What if I just want to go from fifty to
Speaker 1: forty four, that would be four sixty. So it's a
Speaker 1: sixty point swinging right there. How much is my pick
Speaker 1: one thirty seven worth? Pick one thirty seven is worth
Speaker 1: thirty eight, So that's an under pay. Yeah, that's That's
Speaker 1: the number one thing that I wish all draft fans
Speaker 1: understood is just the price of trading, right. It's it's
Speaker 1: not cheap. It's harder to move around and give up
Speaker 1: something to get something that right. So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If you're looking at guys at certain rounds, you're sitting
Speaker 1: there thinking, man, we're gonna have to go early unless
Speaker 1: you want to give up picks to do that. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, let me ask you this, would you rather
Speaker 1: go up in the first or up in the second
Speaker 1: in this draft, it's hard to say because we don't
Speaker 1: know who will be available in early you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: if that is an unfair question, if it will Hernandez
Speaker 1: falls to the early second round or you know, into
Speaker 1: the second day he's available early second round, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: consider that, right, And I think it's fair to say
Speaker 1: that every year there's a guy sitting there in the
Speaker 1: thirty to thirty five forty range where you're like, whoa
Speaker 1: mount land Landon Collins comes to mind. It's a guy
Speaker 1: that people were sandlogba. Yeah, two years ago, real quick,
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys didn't make that move up for DeMarcus Lawrence,
Speaker 1: he gave up the third round pick. Here are the
Speaker 1: three players chosen when the Cowboys original third round pick
Speaker 1: and the two picks after Spencer long guard, Terrence Brooks,
Speaker 1: a safety, Dexter McDougal a corner. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: three players that yeah, you know, just although I'm pretty sure,
Speaker 1: um Stephen Jones said after that draft that LSU guard
Speaker 1: Trade Turner probably would have been the pick, right and
Speaker 1: turned out to be a pretty Yeah, he was taken
Speaker 1: like twenty picks later by Carolina, right right, But I
Speaker 1: mean so I mean you are, you're giving up a
Speaker 1: valuable commodity. And see, I'm trying to determine what should
Speaker 1: you give up your fifth year give up you're eighty one.
Speaker 1: That means either or yeah, which is gonna help you
Speaker 1: the most? Oh, I'm I mean And Dane's right, it
Speaker 1: depends on who's there, and we can't say that for
Speaker 1: sure until the draft. But I'm much more attracted to
Speaker 1: the idea of trading up in the first because of
Speaker 1: what you're presumably getting. Okay, well, let's if you're trading
Speaker 1: up to twelve, if you're doing your job right, you're
Speaker 1: getting a multiple time problem. Let's let's start out there.
Speaker 1: Who would you rather have Rashaun Evans in the first
Speaker 1: and then you say you trade up in the early
Speaker 1: second for what's realistic? Um, I don't. I'd like to say,
Speaker 1: well her Nandez, but I'm not sure that's realistic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know how realistic that would be about let's
Speaker 1: stay it's a defensive tests say drawn Payne. Okay, say
Speaker 1: he follows the early second round, Rashaan Evans drawn pain
Speaker 1: to Alibana player. Yeah, would you rather have that to
Speaker 1: those two guys or would you rather trade up in
Speaker 1: the first Rashaan Evans and then the third you get Senat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Roquan and Sanat or Evans and Pain. You know,
Speaker 1: it's me personally, I think i'd lean towards the better
Speaker 1: overall player, which is go up. Right, so I'm getting
Speaker 1: I agree, out of those four players, you're getting the
Speaker 1: one in the four in terms of best players instead
Speaker 1: of the two in the three. But you feel good
Speaker 1: about the one, right, I agree with that logic. Yes see,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying that the trade the trade up
Speaker 1: in the second round out again depends on who's there.
Speaker 1: But I'm kind of I'm kind of one of those guy.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of the go up early guy. I'm the
Speaker 1: I'm the go up and get the player and then
Speaker 1: let but again and I'll work my board, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll work my board without without pick fifty. But if
Speaker 1: you said the right name, if it was the name
Speaker 1: that really piqued your interest, then there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: that whatsoever. Like Will Hernandez, Yeah, okay, Rashaan Evans and
Speaker 1: Will Hernandez. Yeah, that's a nice slow haul right there.
Speaker 1: I mean that that's not bad. That makes it tougher
Speaker 1: of a decision, I think, And I mean that's when
Speaker 1: they traded it for DeMarcus Lawrence. Lawrence is my twenty
Speaker 1: sixth best player that year, and I gave him a
Speaker 1: first round grade. Sure, I was all on board with that,
Speaker 1: and you know the Cowboys obviously had a high grade
Speaker 1: on him as well. So I don't think they have
Speaker 1: any regrets about that movie, No, not at all. So
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think again, a lot of it depends.
Speaker 1: It's always going to depend on who's on the board,
Speaker 1: of course. But that's when I ask you, guys, Okay,
Speaker 1: where do you have where would you think that the
Speaker 1: guy would get picked? You tell me eight to twelve, Okay,
Speaker 1: you tell me another guy gets picked ten to fifteen.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to gauge where where that where
Speaker 1: the level of comfort really is for everybody? Yeah, give
Speaker 1: me Realkal. He's a top ten player in this draft.
Speaker 1: All right. It was long. As long as we're doing,
Speaker 1: as long as we're we we just love talking about
Speaker 1: the trades. It's fine. Well, no, I think you have
Speaker 1: to prepare. We're mock draft where you know, where all
Speaker 1: of a sudden we might have some opportunity to go up.
Speaker 1: All right, we've talked plenty about Rokuan and Derwin James,
Speaker 1: what about the pass rushers what I mean? And Marcus
Speaker 1: Davenport not so much. But Harold Landry we know was
Speaker 1: a thirty visit, right, you trading up for that? And
Speaker 1: how high? Because I and I'm really starting to come
Speaker 1: around on Harold Landry. I think I've said that already,
Speaker 1: but it's hard for me to believe that, you know,
Speaker 1: second and third pass rusher fall as far as nineteen
Speaker 1: meaning death. You're hoping Landry over Landry as shuren't you?
Speaker 1: I would much rather have Harold Landry? Yeah, so what
Speaker 1: I'd rather have land And there a chance that Landry
Speaker 1: gets to nineteen. I don't think so. I doubt it
Speaker 1: because he's a pass rusher and those guys just don't last.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's possible, it's certainly possible. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. I don't think it likely. Okay, does he
Speaker 1: become one of our trade up guys to see fourteen?
Speaker 1: That's that's the question. I kind of love that idea,
Speaker 1: because again, you're going all the way to twelve. You could,
Speaker 1: let's say, if Landry's there at fifteen, maybe you gets Arizona,
Speaker 1: you have to trade your third. You can maybe get
Speaker 1: there with just eighty one. Yeah, that's I'm saying you
Speaker 1: want to go get him, that you want to go
Speaker 1: get him at fifteen and we lose eighty one, that's fine,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I mean, not that I love I want
Speaker 1: to have pick eighty one, But if I'm getting Harold
Speaker 1: Dry and I don't have to give up my second
Speaker 1: round pick, that's that's not too shabby. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: not feeling good about your first round pick from last year,
Speaker 1: are you? And we've well, we and I think we
Speaker 1: talked about this when we talked about Landry might Lawrence.
Speaker 1: You might not be able to aff Lawrence. I think
Speaker 1: you have to. It's not only that you're preparing for it,
Speaker 1: but it's just like just draft pass rushers, like yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, Tyrone Crawford, you can get out of his
Speaker 1: contract after next year if it's something you decide you
Speaker 1: want to do. DeMarcus Lawrence, you have no idea what's
Speaker 1: going on there, right, Randy Gregory is I mean, we
Speaker 1: could do a whole podcast about what's going to happen there.
Speaker 1: You can't count on that, right, And And I mean,
Speaker 1: I have I have again another guy that you can't necessarily.
Speaker 1: The last time we met, they'd signed Tony Ely. Now
Speaker 1: Cony Ely's on a one year deal, right, And I
Speaker 1: have faith that Taco can develop into a good player.
Speaker 1: But I'm certainly just not left end. Not yeah, well exactly,
Speaker 1: he's I mean, he's probably not going to be your
Speaker 1: twelve sack guy. So absolutely i'd draft Harold Landry and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think twice about it. I would draft him
Speaker 1: in nineteen. I just I would have concerns about trading
Speaker 1: A for him, I guess just because because it hinders
Speaker 1: your ability to draft just more players that you need. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that third round pick, are you're thinking it more?
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a you think more? It's gonna be
Speaker 1: the pick at eighty one, the safety. I think there's
Speaker 1: a good chance of that, And I don't know if
Speaker 1: I would want to give him up just to make
Speaker 1: sure I get that's I'm saying. We we it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a gut check if we're going we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to We're gonna have to swallow hard here and think
Speaker 1: about what's going to happen because we might we might
Speaker 1: lose out on some guy. Remember the original discussion we
Speaker 1: had back in January, how man, we're gonna wiped out.
Speaker 1: Broquan's not going to be there, like we don't think
Speaker 1: they are. But we accepted that. Yeah, so now we're
Speaker 1: we're okay with We're at least understanding of the Layton
Speaker 1: vander Esh's that Taven Bryant's like that Evan group. Yeah. Right,
Speaker 1: and so at this point I feel good trading back exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm okay trading back four or five spots, picking up
Speaker 1: an extra third and you know, letting someone else go
Speaker 1: up to get a guy getting my guy twenty three,
Speaker 1: twenty four, Okay, we we eliminated taken mclinchy then at nineteen. No,
Speaker 1: not at all. No, he's this is we've talked about it.
Speaker 1: The most wide open first round for the Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would rather but no, no, if we if we if
Speaker 1: we want to go back, if we want to go back,
Speaker 1: we're gonna give up. We're gonna give up mclinchy. Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm okay with that. I don't want to
Speaker 1: draft mcclinchy, not because he's not a good player. It
Speaker 1: seems redundant to me. Yeah, but I don't like, there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of stuff you could throw at me
Speaker 1: that would just get me to, you know, drop my
Speaker 1: head in disgust. Like it's we've covered it pretty well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, right, which, Okay, well, god
Speaker 1: that I didn't even mean to do that segue. That's great.
Speaker 1: So Gino wants to know, is it possible for them
Speaker 1: to mess up the nineteenth overall pick? I mean, think
Speaker 1: about all the options? Okay, oh, I mean draft Colton Miller.
Speaker 1: That would be a mess up to me. Now to them,
Speaker 1: they that they if they that's their guy, that's their guy.
Speaker 1: But I yeah, drafted Colton Miller to me at nineteen
Speaker 1: would be a mess up. That absolutely will be a
Speaker 1: mess up. And maybe for me it would be Now
Speaker 1: to them, I don't know about that. Maybe in three
Speaker 1: years we look back at this and wow, we were
Speaker 1: really wrong Colton Miller. But based on the tape, based
Speaker 1: on his workout numbers were a lot better than play
Speaker 1: on the field, and you just you worry about the
Speaker 1: development and I don't know, technique, the discipline. NFL pass
Speaker 1: rushers are going to eat him alive until he's pixes.
Speaker 1: A lot of things and so, yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: would qualify as a mess up. Would vander Esh qualify
Speaker 1: as a mess up for you? Is it that drastic
Speaker 1: that you would know a mess up? No, that's and
Speaker 1: I don't think so either. That's it's a Colton Miller
Speaker 1: to me, if they, if they, if they handed in
Speaker 1: that card and I had to start talking about Colton Miller,
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd be very fair. I really don't.
Speaker 1: Would you just leave the studio? No, I wouldn't leave
Speaker 1: the studio because there's other picks to be made. But
Speaker 1: it's still my parents aren't listener. I just I just
Speaker 1: would not be very fair about it. Yeah, I just wouldn't.
Speaker 1: And I feel like the players, the thirty visit guys
Speaker 1: they brought, I think have been good players for the
Speaker 1: most part. Yeah, but I if that consideration of Colton,
Speaker 1: I would have a hard time with that one. Which okay,
Speaker 1: and this whole question centered on one guy, which for
Speaker 1: me is encouraging because that means you can at least
Speaker 1: justify of them. Let's say there's eight realistic options. Yea,
Speaker 1: of those, they're all I mean, they're all good players.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you like Rashaan Evans more than Layton vanderv
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm not gonna kill that pick, you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't think most people. I don't think most
Speaker 1: people would. Right, what pick of the thirty that you
Speaker 1: know would be you would be the most excited about,
Speaker 1: most excited of the thirty thirty visits, um, Harold Landry
Speaker 1: or DJ Moore. Yeah, it's not bad. I mean Roquan
Speaker 1: wasn't a top thirty. Yeah, Derwin James wasn't a top three.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, right, guys, they brought in those
Speaker 1: those two. Yeah, the top players on my board would
Speaker 1: be Ridley Landry and more in all three or in
Speaker 1: my top fifteen. Yeah, yeah, what about you? I think
Speaker 1: I think I'm with you on that. Nobody we excited
Speaker 1: because you you just still still don't have the love
Speaker 1: for Vita Vea. No, I don't. Okay, I'd be fine
Speaker 1: with that. I wouldn't be jacked. It's which he might.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's not a good player. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he wouldn't be great for this team, but the
Speaker 1: nature of his position, it wouldn't just get me. It
Speaker 1: seems like it's a group though, we would all be
Speaker 1: excited about Landry at nineteen Yeah, yeah, pass rushers, that
Speaker 1: would be that's a bargain, like I mean a position
Speaker 1: or it's the second most important position on your roster.
Speaker 1: You can never have too much pass rush good deal.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get started. There's ten. Let's see how
Speaker 1: many guys can get both. Feel free to take an answer,
Speaker 1: an answer whenever you want multiple Here we go. First up.
Speaker 1: In three seasons at the college level, this big ten
Speaker 1: corner collected a whopping forty two passes defended but zero interceptions,
Speaker 1: which is an amazing number. A Grant Haley Penn State B.
Speaker 1: Josh Jackson Iowa, see Denzel Award, Ohio State D. Nick
Speaker 1: Nelson Wisconsin. It can't be Jackson. We saw him intercept. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's the Wisconsin kid. I think it's a Ward.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be my guest. I'm gonna go with Nelson
Speaker 1: ding ding forty two passes defended zero. That's an amazing
Speaker 1: stat like, by the way, and he got hurt the
Speaker 1: other day working out for the Giants. Olliant? Oh I
Speaker 1: thought was the Giants. Was a guy that got street
Speaker 1: bcl with the Giants? Oh god? So yeah, terrible. So yeah,
Speaker 1: here's the guy kind of So all right, Nelson, how
Speaker 1: do you get your hands on forty two balls and
Speaker 1: not intercept one? You know, it's just that's that's pool skill.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's a that's a concern. All right, all right,
Speaker 1: numbe two passes and that one interception. That's amazing. Uh,
Speaker 1: all you're happy now I got one right there, you go.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll see if you can get this one
Speaker 1: helmet offensive lineman. This offensive lineman posted a one six
Speaker 1: seven ten yards split one six seven. Oh gosh, the
Speaker 1: best for an offensive lineman since two thousand and six. Oh,
Speaker 1: I got this one? Is it? Desmond Harrison, West Georgia? Yes,
Speaker 1: Colton Miller, UCLA, Joseph note Boom TCU, Brian O'Neill, who
Speaker 1: hit ooh ooh no, it's Harrison. I'm gonna say I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say it's O'Neill, you're what do we talk about
Speaker 1: the testing number? Miller? Just remember we were talking so
Speaker 1: much about Harrison around. I thought O'Neill had a really
Speaker 1: good start. That's well he did. I mean, these guys
Speaker 1: didn't have poor ten yards split. See, no boom was
Speaker 1: no boom from TCU was a little bit of of
Speaker 1: a like. Is that that's what this is all about?
Speaker 1: Colton Millard. All this coldon Miller hype is just because
Speaker 1: he tested well. Well, that's kind of the size of man.
Speaker 1: Him and O'Neill are the two guys the pit O'Neill,
Speaker 1: they're the two guys that are the really good athletes
Speaker 1: think and don't always play like they're great as is it?
Speaker 1: Offensive tackle is super high on my list of like
Speaker 1: I don't care how you tested, Like, how do you
Speaker 1: how do you play technical skill? Yeah, that's what it's
Speaker 1: all about. What did I guess that? It's okay? I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over. We still got one to zero.
Speaker 1: Next up, only Mason Rudolph and this quarterback through for
Speaker 1: over four thousand yards each of the last two years
Speaker 1: at the FBS level. Is it? Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma, Mike White,
Speaker 1: Western Kentucky, Sam Darnold USC or Logan Woodside Toledo. Only
Speaker 1: this player and Mason Rudolph thron over four thousand yards
Speaker 1: each of the last two years. Four thousand yards is
Speaker 1: such an absurd number for a college season. I want
Speaker 1: to say, I'm pretty sure Donald hit it, though, I
Speaker 1: want to say, I'm gonna say Mike White, damn it,
Speaker 1: that's my guy. Yeah, Mike White could spin it and
Speaker 1: you can't spin it. And Darnold was the first USC
Speaker 1: quarterback to ever threw over four thousand yards, which he
Speaker 1: did this year. He felt, Yeah, so you're not totally
Speaker 1: a White. West was right. I just didn't. Hey, there's
Speaker 1: a guy. I have a feeling there's a guy that
Speaker 1: Mike you know, you don't like to hear this. I
Speaker 1: think he at the top of that second round. Keep
Speaker 1: an eye on Mike White. Yeah, we keep an eye
Speaker 1: on show for that, I know. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: everybody's paying attention to all these other quarterbacks. Keep an
Speaker 1: eye on Mike White. Spoiler, he'll be in my third
Speaker 1: round of my seven round lock where I'm New England
Speaker 1: Patriots pick forty three places Jimmy g with another one.
Speaker 1: You never know, all right, So two to enough in
Speaker 1: thirty three questions A nightmare number four the running back.
Speaker 1: This running back is the first player in SEC history
Speaker 1: to have over three two hundred and fifty yard rushing
Speaker 1: performances in his career. Is it Darius guys? LSU, carry
Speaker 1: On Johnson Auburn, Nick Chubb, Georgia Sony Michelle. He threw
Speaker 1: this in just for me. Absolutely ahead, take it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's guys. Absolutely, it's guys Arkansas, A and M. And
Speaker 1: I think Old Miss I was hoping I get the
Speaker 1: LSU guys, but he guys, you're right, guys. That was
Speaker 1: that was something that when those TV games always like
Speaker 1: to talk and he was rolling against Old Miss kept
Speaker 1: two of those while he was spelling Fournette like he
Speaker 1: was the backup. And yeah, anyway, exactly, all right, so
Speaker 1: we have three to one through four through five US. Yeah,
Speaker 1: next up. A big reason this offensive skill player attended
Speaker 1: the school that he did was because his twin sister
Speaker 1: received a track scholarship to the same school. Oh crap,
Speaker 1: I know this. Rashad Penny San Diego State, Dante Pettis Washington,
Speaker 1: nikem Hines, NC State, Jamon Moore, Missouri. Damn. One of
Speaker 1: those four players his twin sister were into the same
Speaker 1: school because she received a track scholarship. And that's a
Speaker 1: big reason why this pest. First, I have read this
Speaker 1: at some point, I'm gonna guess. I'm gonna guess. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna guess Pettis at Washington. I think it's Pettis two.
Speaker 1: But I can't catch you if I give the same answer,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say Hines. Yeah, his twin sister, Naya
Speaker 1: went to head a track scholarship to NC State. He
Speaker 1: ran track two as well, right, and he had scholarship
Speaker 1: bars from Ohio State and you know, bigger programs at
Speaker 1: NC State. But that was one of the reasons. What
Speaker 1: a good brother, wolf back? Yeah, next up? So it
Speaker 1: was a three to two. Yeah. This player's father was
Speaker 1: a first round pick in the two thousand NFL draft. How,
Speaker 1: I mean, how amazing is that? Getting there's a player
Speaker 1: in this draft who had a father draft in two thousand,
Speaker 1: getting old out of Arizona State. So this player, this
Speaker 1: prospect in this draft was it His dad went to
Speaker 1: Arizona State and was a first round pick in two thousand. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Cedric Wilson, Boise State, Anthony Averitt Alabama, Dmitri
Speaker 1: Flowers Oklahoma, Rashim Green USC. I'm gonna say Flowers. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say Green Pitrie Flowers. Ye, his dad was a
Speaker 1: first front pick safety linebacker. See see that's such an
Speaker 1: unfair advantage. Okay, watched I watched the two thousand draft
Speaker 1: with my dad when I was in the fifth grade
Speaker 1: and you were I was at Vallet ratche Valle ratch.
Speaker 1: So okay, four to two? All right, how's a good one?
Speaker 1: I like this one? Okay? Ogbo oquaran quo. Nice job Oklahoma. Yes,
Speaker 1: Ding and this fellow pass rusher Prospect graduated together from
Speaker 1: Houston's Leaf Taylor High School, and they were both born
Speaker 1: on the same day. Not only were they passed rusher
Speaker 1: the same high school, graduated together, they're born in the
Speaker 1: same way. Shameless plug. This is the type of stuff
Speaker 1: that's yeah, it's all in here. All of these are
Speaker 1: fun there. I just I went through the guide and
Speaker 1: randomly picked a bunch of random stuff. Is it A
Speaker 1: Marcus Davenport UTSA Duke, A four Wake Forest Uchenna Nuosu
Speaker 1: USC or Taekwon Lewis, Ohio State one of those four
Speaker 1: was high school teammates with oo o Quo when they
Speaker 1: share the same birthday. Taekwon Lewis final answer, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with winsu in. Yeah, Duke four, of course, interesting enough,
Speaker 1: they're both sons of Nigerian immigrants. Yeah, just kind of
Speaker 1: crazy parallel. That's what I did. I kind of went
Speaker 1: on the I went on the different plane there for sure. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: so four to two, we have three questions left. Still time.
Speaker 1: I mean, only if I had batten a thousand the
Speaker 1: rest of the way. But let's do it. This defensive
Speaker 1: prospect didn't play football until a senior year in high school,
Speaker 1: and even and then he was a running back? Is
Speaker 1: it Leon Jacobs Wisconsin, Jennard Avery, Memphis, Ronnie Harrison Alabama,
Speaker 1: or Darius Leonard South Carolina State. This is another one
Speaker 1: that upsets me because I've read this too, like I know,
Speaker 1: like I just like there's in the beast, there's eighteen
Speaker 1: thousand little facts and I can't connect them all to players, um,
Speaker 1: Leon Jacobs Wisconsin, Jennard Avery, Memphis, Ronnie Harrison Alabama, or
Speaker 1: Darius Leonard South Carolina State. It sounds it sounds so
Speaker 1: Alabama for a star safety too. I mean Landon Collins
Speaker 1: was an All state running back. So I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: Ronnie Harrison, I'm gonna go with Avery Leon Jacobs. Oh Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: good player. Chap by the way, Yeah, he was a
Speaker 1: basketball guy growing up. Yeah, decided to try so he
Speaker 1: transferred schools, tried off football, was a standout running back
Speaker 1: and goes to Wisconsin as kind of an athlete. Right.
Speaker 1: They played him at fullback, they played him at linebacker.
Speaker 1: Find settled in this Tape's goods watching him? Like he's fun? Yeah, Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: Wisconsin just has Jama Tiremyer was watching him the other day,
Speaker 1: was like, man, this guy's a fun player to watch.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he's good, highly aggressive. Yeah he finally
Speaker 1: missed that. Okay, all right, left, you can still but
Speaker 1: I'm not going to This cornerback prospect played football at
Speaker 1: Division three Marietta in twenty eleven, yes, seven years ago.
Speaker 1: How old is this guy? He finished his college career
Speaker 1: with twenty passes defended in five interceptions in twenty seventeen
Speaker 1: at a Nonpower five program. And this is a guy
Speaker 1: that you know, Mike and drafted, is it? Perry Nickerson Tulane,
Speaker 1: Darius Phillips, Western Michigan, Dietrich Nichols, South Florida or Darius
Speaker 1: Williams U A B. I'm gonna go with I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with the Tulane kid, Nickerson. I was going to
Speaker 1: say that too, So I'm gonna go with the Western
Speaker 1: Michigan kid. You ab Darry Williams. Uh talk about a
Speaker 1: fascinating story. Division three Marietta. Sure, twenty eleven? How long
Speaker 1: ago was that? How old is he? He's gonna be
Speaker 1: a twenty five year old rookie? Right? I mean he
Speaker 1: goes to h U A B. He didn't make the team,
Speaker 1: had to try out multiple times, right, finally makes the
Speaker 1: team in the program disbands, right, Yeah, and then wait
Speaker 1: for a year. Yeah, and then he you know, kind
Speaker 1: of thought his football career was over and comes back
Speaker 1: when the program comes back and as a senior twenty passes, defended,
Speaker 1: five interceptions. He's he's that undersized nickelback type of guy.
Speaker 1: There's I love. There's so many and we don't have
Speaker 1: time to get to all the craziest stories in the
Speaker 1: in the draft. That's part of what makes it so cool. Well,
Speaker 1: that's part of why I wanted to do this right, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: absolutely a class one right. Final question, I can't win.
Speaker 1: You're okay, You're happy, Brian. We know that tremaand Edmonds
Speaker 1: will be the youngest player drafted this year at only
Speaker 1: nineteen years old. Deonte Burnett USC will be the second youngest.
Speaker 1: Who will be the third youngest player in this draft?
Speaker 1: Will it be James Daniels Iowa, Ronald Jones USC, Connor
Speaker 1: Williams Texas or Tim Suttle Virginia Tech. Again, I feel
Speaker 1: like I've read this somewhere and I did a profile
Speaker 1: of Ronald Jones at some point this offseason, and I
Speaker 1: want to say it's him. I'm like, he's pretty damn young.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Connor Williams. They're both young. But
Speaker 1: the answer is James Daniels Iowa. Yeah, from Iowa. Thirty
Speaker 1: Visit guy by the way too. I think of I
Speaker 1: just all offensive linemen are old in my head. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing we talk about Billy Price or James Daniels.
Speaker 1: Billy Price is literally three years older than James Daniels.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just a big gap there. There's I
Speaker 1: went through their seventeen players who will be under twenty
Speaker 1: one years old on draft weekend? Who drafted Jason Witten
Speaker 1: that way? Young Billy? Yeah guy, Yeah, so well that's
Speaker 1: uh what to two? Two? Hey? Well how many? How
Speaker 1: many did we both miss through? Like the last four? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was we were it was kind of
Speaker 1: everyone and all that. Yeah, we were all kind of
Speaker 1: thinking about kind of like a pillow fight. It's fine, hopefully,
Speaker 1: Uh those falling along at home, did uh get a
Speaker 1: little bit better the beast. You'll figure that's exactly look
Speaker 1: through it, you'll find these answers. Yeah. I love the
Speaker 1: fact that maybe you've missed it at the beginning. Dane
Speaker 1: didn't have answers on his sheet because he's just got
Speaker 1: them all up here. He's got Dan, Dan's Matt Damon
Speaker 1: from good Will Hunting, Like it's just all in his head.
Speaker 1: When that's all you focus on for your entire life
Speaker 1: or your entire calendar year, they kind of stick. I
Speaker 1: don't know why, but they do. Uh yeah, some good
Speaker 1: some good question Yeah, absolutely, some good questions. You know, Yes,
Speaker 1: you know Dallas the day they start their their draft
Speaker 1: meetings today, yeah, you know, and then when they were
Speaker 1: seventeen days away from them getting started though, is what
Speaker 1: what do you think? It just comes kind of think,
Speaker 1: where's going to be a difficult position? As you know
Speaker 1: with Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, Jason Garrets, what's going to
Speaker 1: be a difficult position for them to have to work
Speaker 1: through as these meetings start? What if you were if
Speaker 1: you were to, if you're Will McClay, what position do
Speaker 1: you start with? Because that's why you're a little fresh.
Speaker 1: You know, it's exciting you're in. What position would you
Speaker 1: go through to try and figure things out? To start?
Speaker 1: I know you don't mean it this way. That position
Speaker 1: that I think Will McClay has to work through is
Speaker 1: the long term of the coaching staff with this team,
Speaker 1: that type of that position. Because a guy like David Bryan,
Speaker 1: he's made for Rod Marinelli's defense R three technique. But
Speaker 1: can you really I mean Rod Marinelli gonna be the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator next year? Sure? You know, a long term
Speaker 1: is he gonna be a fit for this team? Sure?
Speaker 1: How does that play into their decision? You know? How
Speaker 1: does do they need So you're more worried about Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: what if they take the coaching staff out of it? Though?
Speaker 1: And that's the start with the player, and you can't
Speaker 1: do that. You can't do that, You're right, right, Will
Speaker 1: McClay has to balance all those things. Oh sure, because
Speaker 1: he asked, I worry about the long term, but you
Speaker 1: also have to worry about what's could be. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're poised to win right now and you have to
Speaker 1: worry about that, but you also have to worry about
Speaker 1: the long term. So it's it's a fascinating, you know,
Speaker 1: wire act that you have to yeah, like, oh, to
Speaker 1: think about my team long term, right, But where the
Speaker 1: coaches are thinking, well this, if we don't have a
Speaker 1: successful season, we might be Tavin Bryan's a perfect example
Speaker 1: because he's perfect as a three technique for Rod Marinelli.
Speaker 1: But does it creep into the back of your mind
Speaker 1: that you know, long term for this team maybe scheme
Speaker 1: wise or you know. So that's what can you say
Speaker 1: about Vita Vea though too. That's a great point. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: if you if you is it? Sometimes you just say coaches,
Speaker 1: you're out. That's and that's going back to what you
Speaker 1: asked me about Vita Vea. I I recognize them as possibilities,
Speaker 1: but I don't spend a lot of time thinking about
Speaker 1: Vita Vea or Duran Pain because I'll believe that they're
Speaker 1: going to draft those guys when I see it happen.
Speaker 1: And if they do, then that to me represents a
Speaker 1: pretty significant departure from what we've seen over the last
Speaker 1: five years. And maybe that means they changed something about
Speaker 1: the way that they stack all this up. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: maybe if a latent Vanderish and a Tavin Bryant are
Speaker 1: like equals to sure touching, sure, maybe they would give
Speaker 1: the edge to a latent Vandersch. It's a little more versatile, right,
Speaker 1: you know, with the different things that he can do
Speaker 1: at different linebacker spots. It's it's an interesting wrinkle I
Speaker 1: think to this draft that Will McClay and the Joneses
Speaker 1: and the entire front office have to You don't want
Speaker 1: to have that make your draft decision, right, but it
Speaker 1: has to creep into the back of your mind. Well,
Speaker 1: the coaches are gonna fight for guys who are ready
Speaker 1: to play right now. Sure, coaches want nothing to do,
Speaker 1: especially if they're in a position where you feel like, hey,
Speaker 1: this could be my last campaign. Yeah, you know, well
Speaker 1: answer me this. I mean, you've done it before, So
Speaker 1: I mean, is it as simple as starting with the
Speaker 1: positions that you feel like you're that are most likely
Speaker 1: to be there for you at nineteen or do you
Speaker 1: start with the position that is the most important for
Speaker 1: you to come out of the draft with a player
Speaker 1: at this spot. I think you start with the position
Speaker 1: that you feel most important about. I mean, if that's
Speaker 1: the case, they gonna start start with lineback, Yeah, start
Speaker 1: you start. You want to start this thing where guys
Speaker 1: are fresh. Yeah, you really really do? You want it
Speaker 1: where everybody's locked in, ready to go. That's what you
Speaker 1: want to do? You want to And I'll ask, I'll
Speaker 1: ask what you know position? You know, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: real quick that somebody, when we have a little about
Speaker 1: a minute left, someone want to tell a story about
Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson. Coach has influenced how we in that draft
Speaker 1: and when we when we end up taking Jones instead
Speaker 1: of Stephen Jackson because a coach stepped up and said
Speaker 1: those running backs in the second round are just as
Speaker 1: good as Steven Jackson, and that got Bill Parcel's attention,
Speaker 1: That got Jerry Jones attention. When Tom Donohoe from Buffalo
Speaker 1: kept trying to call, kept trying to call, kept trying
Speaker 1: to call and finally offered next year's one. It was
Speaker 1: Maurice Cawthon on the running back coach, and said, those
Speaker 1: running backs in the second round are just as good
Speaker 1: as and you know, we were gonna take more. We
Speaker 1: were gonna take the Jones kid from Virginia Tech. We
Speaker 1: We're gonna take Stephen Jackson, Kevin Jones. Yeah. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: that's where that went. That was kind of like, that's it,
Speaker 1: but that's the story. A coach influenced which way we
Speaker 1: went on that board. And I mean, I say this
Speaker 1: all the time. I mean and I feel like there
Speaker 1: will be a shift here in the next couple of
Speaker 1: weeks and you'll be able to sense it from whether
Speaker 1: it's this show, whether other people on Twitter and coaches
Speaker 1: are going to have their say they always do and
Speaker 1: so for good or for worse, I feel like you're
Speaker 1: gonna hear and see some changing of opinions about these
Speaker 1: players and the role that they have here. All right,
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