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Speaker 1: Bon joul, Welcome to the show. My name is Ben,

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Speaker 1: and I just might be addicted to carbs mapel noel

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Speaker 1: and I've been trying to go a little lighter on

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Speaker 1: the carbs lately, but I am a big fan of

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Speaker 1: a good baguette. Yes, agreed. And here in the US

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Speaker 1: we have a little bit more leeway with the definition

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Speaker 1: of what a bighette is. And despite how important carbs

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Speaker 1: might be to knowl to myself and to our super producer,

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Speaker 1: Casey Pegram, in France, it turns out they're much more important, crucial,

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Speaker 1: big time. That's why for two centuries there was a

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Speaker 1: law on the books in Paris that basically established a continuous,

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Speaker 1: free flowing access to bread. And this was most important

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Speaker 1: during the summer months when a lot of Parisians take vacations.

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Speaker 1: Um and it's a big deal. The you know, Paris

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Speaker 1: can feel like a ghost town during July and August.

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Speaker 1: And this law was established because the last time that

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Speaker 1: France or out of bread, well you know there there

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Speaker 1: there was there were riots in the streets and people

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Speaker 1: got decapitated and hanged. Yes, there were rains of terrors

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Speaker 1: that were related in a way to bread. And for

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Speaker 1: anyone who's interested in the role that food can play

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Speaker 1: in social revolution. We promise you it's a real thing.

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Speaker 1: You're not crazy. Butter had a rule to play in

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Speaker 1: an earlier episode. That's true, and bread has always been

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Speaker 1: a pretty important staple of the French diet. In fact,

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Speaker 1: according to the Smithsonian UH, the average worker during the

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Speaker 1: eighteenth century spent half, that is, half of their wages

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Speaker 1: on bread because not only was it delicious and you

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Speaker 1: know something you could put a nice piece of brion,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was how they got their sustenance more

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Speaker 1: than anything else. Right, It's true. You know, we have

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Speaker 1: to consider in ages past people didn't often have the

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Speaker 1: same UH concept toward food or toward nutrition that you

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Speaker 1: would find to be more common today. For example, a

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Speaker 1: lot of times today people eat for pleasure rather than

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Speaker 1: mandatory survival, and if bread wasn't available for a lot

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Speaker 1: of people, it could mean that they might starve. This

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Speaker 1: was so important that in Napoleonic times police were even

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Speaker 1: in charge of grain inspection and quality controls sort of

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Speaker 1: an f d A, but oriented entirely toward bread. And

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Speaker 1: when there was a wheat shortage, things went crazy very quickly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's true. Like you know how in the United States

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Speaker 1: because he's in charge of the military for all intents

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Speaker 1: and purposes. Well, in France during this time, the king

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Speaker 1: was referred to as Boulanger de realm, or prime baker

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Speaker 1: of the Kingdom. That was kind of a pretty pretty

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Speaker 1: serious job, and in fact, there were these Napoleonic codes

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Speaker 1: dough to make the bread, to the ratio of the ingredients. Uh,

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Speaker 1: this is all very very very important. And it not

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Speaker 1: only was the important because of it its place as

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Speaker 1: a staple food, but it was a cultural thing as well,

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Speaker 1: and they took their bread making very very seriously. Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: which is not an exaggeration to say that all hell

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Speaker 1: broke loose if something went wrong with the bread supply.

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Speaker 1: In seventeen seventy five there was a weak shortage and

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Speaker 1: green prices skyrocketed, and to me things more complicated. The

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Speaker 1: allow a free market of grain within the country, and

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Speaker 1: this led to speculation. Flower merchants, who are already kind

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Speaker 1: most historian this is being the precursor to the French

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Speaker 1: Revolution that took place fourteen years later. Um. And actually,

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Speaker 1: our our super producer, Casey Pegram, is also our resident Francophile. UM.

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Speaker 1: Casey on the Case. For thus spake Casey. We're still

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Speaker 1: kicking it around, true, Casey Pegram, welcome to the show,

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Speaker 1: my friend. Hello, thanks guys. So, Casey, we we sort

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Speaker 1: And you go to Paris about once a year. Would

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Speaker 1: you say that's pretty accurate? Oh yeah, they call Le

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Speaker 1: put that like saw climatize and it's sort of like

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Speaker 1: even if you don't care what the movie is, just

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Speaker 1: when we were researching this episode off air, we really

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about the the laws that

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Speaker 1: haven't been just making stuff up for the past few minutes. No,

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Speaker 1: this event that happens in October of seventy nine where

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Speaker 1: this poor, poor baker, Denis Francois, who was confronted by

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Speaker 1: So this is kind of just a continuation of those, uh,

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Speaker 1: Let me right, So that was even even that catchphrase

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