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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast, Are Afraid of Killer Dolls?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansens. I come to you from

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Speaker 1: a virtual room filled with some heroes. Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: What's that boys? Little playoff Tuesday show? How about that?

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Speaker 1: I feel like I needed that Monday to you know,

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Speaker 1: we had some work to do. We all did, respectively,

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Speaker 1: but I needed it to recover a little bit. Six

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Speaker 1: six versus four games like that was it was like underrated.

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Speaker 1: How much different that experience was. That was intense. And

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Speaker 1: I mean, we know the NFL um that nothing's going

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Speaker 1: to ever contract, It's only going to expand. So that's

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Speaker 1: our life for the wild Card Super wild Card Weekend

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the time. But more than ever,

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Speaker 1: I think that my actual naming a bloated wild Card weekend. Um.

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Speaker 1: There is an argument to be made that it was

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Speaker 1: just a tad blows if you're working it, if you're

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Speaker 1: working in it a lot. Like like we said, we

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Speaker 1: were never consulted on this as creatives, but things can

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Speaker 1: always change, you know. You we talked about the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl that was initially the a f L NFL championship

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Speaker 1: game for the first two years until Jets Colts in

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Speaker 1: sixty nine. So maybe we still have a window to

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Speaker 1: get in on bloated wild Card weekend. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that's gonna fly. Almost their just gonna say it

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Speaker 1: feels like it might have a critical connotation. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it felt bloated. There were just moments for obvious,

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Speaker 1: like just like a human being, It's like, hm, I'm

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Speaker 1: feeling a little bloated at the moment um. I won't

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Speaker 1: four hours from now when games are still raging on.

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Speaker 1: But there were twists and turns that felt a little

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Speaker 1: bloaty wild Card marathon that it's it's maybe not the

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Speaker 1: league's fault, it's it's the Bears fault. If the Chicago

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Speaker 1: Bears that game wasn't plopped in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: Sunday schedule, things probably would have felt different. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: we say this now, but come this summer in July

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Speaker 1: or so, when we're cranking through shows trying to come

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Speaker 1: up with ideas of things to talk about, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: laugh at, you know, talking about playoff football not being

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Speaker 1: up to snuff. I mean, we're gonna be looking forward

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Speaker 1: to the preseason for Cripe's sake. Alright, good perspective. Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: that's what. So I'm here for Mark Tuesday. Mark still

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Speaker 1: floating floating on air. You can tell, you can see it.

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Speaker 1: It's it's coming through. The Browns are one of the

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Speaker 1: final eight teams, and we're gonna get into all of

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Speaker 1: the playoff matchups in the Divisional Round, the best football

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Speaker 1: weekend of the year on Thursday show. Uh. Today, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have a more traditional news show. We haven't had

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Speaker 1: one of those in a while. We're gonna get through

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Speaker 1: a lot of news. What's going on in the league,

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Speaker 1: what's going on with the openings GM, we have another

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Speaker 1: coach change that we're up to seven now, and then

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff going on down in Texans

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Speaker 1: and Houston with the Texans as we know, we're tracking

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Speaker 1: this with some of the decision making that organization is

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Speaker 1: making and uh, Deshaun Watson being unhappened. We had to

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Speaker 1: get Seth Payne back on the horn, who does great

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Speaker 1: coverage and he works down there and he's been on

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Speaker 1: our show before, to just give us a look into

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Speaker 1: what's going on with the Houston Texans in a really

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Speaker 1: important offseason for them. All right, But first, as I said,

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Speaker 1: we have a lot of news to hit, so let's go.

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Speaker 1: You know, a bad loss, but um, Browns gonna so

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Speaker 1: it's all good. Still are still talking, Chase Claypool, uh

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Speaker 1: saying that the Browns are gonna get clapped by the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs this weekend. Mark your thoughts. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: there are maybe three or four people on the planet

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Speaker 1: one of those three or four people. I think most

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Speaker 1: people have been wrong about the Browns all season. Chase

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Speaker 1: there might be better things for him to wax on

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Speaker 1: doubt about it. Well, does he go to say that

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Speaker 1: name to say? What? Does he go to say? Congratulations?

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Speaker 1: Mark on the Cleveland Browns not only making the playoffs

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Speaker 1: but destroying the Pittsburgh steel Is in Big Ben last night,

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Speaker 1: I myself have never been a big fan of the

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Speaker 1: for many many years and have been trashing the Browns,

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Speaker 1: so I know it has to be particularly satisfying for you.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, you're an inspiration for Jet fans. Good luck

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Speaker 1: and I my hope is that the same will happen

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Speaker 1: for him and Jets fans too, because Dan's dad is

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Speaker 1: someone who deserves a little bit of sunshine at this point,

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Speaker 1: and he does it every year. He sent a text

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Speaker 1: to me and my brother this morning on this date,

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Speaker 1: fifty two years since Joe Namath rose the finger as

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Speaker 1: first Super Bowl Super Bowl three. Uh So, man to

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Speaker 1: much um the Browns win. Like it's awesome to see

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Speaker 1: how happy everyone is. Like I think people really identified

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Speaker 1: like people were more into that game because of you. Mark.

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Speaker 1: My friend Dave, who listens to the show sometimes said

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Speaker 1: he was like so fired up, like after listening to

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Speaker 1: fired up for you like you are? You are Mr

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Speaker 1: Brown talking to your dad. Didn't send in a message

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Speaker 1: I could give him the number. It's true though, like

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Speaker 1: the Browns represented hope to the hopeless. So if they

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Speaker 1: let's get into it, uh, starting yes with the latest

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Speaker 1: head coaching announcement. This one was percolating a little bit. Initially,

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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson was safe after Week seventeen, and then last

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Speaker 1: week there was a meeting with Jeff Lourie, the team

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Speaker 1: Monday the report or it is announced that the Eagles

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Speaker 1: have parted ways with Doug Peterson, the coach that brought

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Speaker 1: the franchise. It's only Super Bowl, Uh just what three

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Speaker 1: Lori had a video press conference to discuss this seismic

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Speaker 1: at first allegiances, what will be best for the Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: That's a different um bar. It's not about um to

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Speaker 1: Doug deserve to be let go? No, he did not

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Speaker 1: and that's not the bar. Uh. In the evaluation process,

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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson, wishing him well. Greg. Was this the right decision?

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Speaker 1: You could, you know, see from Ian's you know tweet

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Speaker 1: on Monday. You know Peterson was tired of being told

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Speaker 1: the you know, ownership didn't like the idea of Peterson

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Speaker 1: and it's time to make a change. It's unfair because

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Speaker 1: who won Super Bowl five. And it's not like the

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Speaker 1: Eagles have struggled the last three years, Like they almost

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Speaker 1: I mean Harry Roseman will be onto his fourth head coach. Um.

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Speaker 1: Lori and the ownership were not on the same page

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Speaker 1: with probably what needs to happen. Like the team's best

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Speaker 1: of the Carson Wentz stuff going on to where the

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Speaker 1: at this point. I feel like Peterson escapegoatd here and

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Speaker 1: brainer of the century. Well, especially when he is talking

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Speaker 1: about those weekly social justice meetings that he had with

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Speaker 1: his team, which which he mentioned actually at the the

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Speaker 1: year end press conference, as you know, like he would

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Speaker 1: lose his he would lose his players apparently, though, like

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Speaker 1: a couple of golfers job, well, I don't know, I'm

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Speaker 1: not so sure about that one. I mean, oh man,

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Speaker 1: right now in this climate that I get a grip

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Speaker 1: and grab with Donald, I don't know, right, I get it.

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Speaker 1: But a couple of um, well, first of all, you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't need to get too deep into it, but this,

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Speaker 1: you know, the NFL had plenty of support for for

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Speaker 1: in Belichick was you know, tied tied to Trump certainly,

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Speaker 1: but a couple of golfers did take the the award.

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Speaker 1: Apparently the day after they like they showed up and everything,

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Speaker 1: and people, yeah, people were just like people are just

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Speaker 1: like come on. You know what it reminded me of

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Speaker 1: Dan though, is when when it was announced that Trump

446
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Speaker 1: was going to pitch the opening day game at the Yankees.

447
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Speaker 1: Because this news that Belichick was even getting this came

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Speaker 1: out like Saturday night, out of nowhere, and immediately everyone

449
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Speaker 1: was fired up and I and even at the time,

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I don't I wonder if Felichick

451
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Speaker 1: has like said yes, yes to this, because I think

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Speaker 1: they're just like trying to put him in a tough

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Speaker 1: spot and trying to like get some good pr I'm

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Speaker 1: struggling why a golf why golfers are receiving the Presidential

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Speaker 1: Medal of Freedom to begin with them? But what have they?

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Speaker 1: What have they? Have you ever played golf? It is

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Speaker 1: very difficult. I've attempted it once and I agreed that

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Speaker 1: it's I don't know what that has to do with,

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Speaker 1: you know, the core tenants of freedom, and it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a total, totally fair question. Mark, I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: And Mary by the White House, Roger Stabat got it

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Speaker 1: once because Pelicheck's boyhood hero and that apparently had some

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Speaker 1: meaning to him. But he's gonna have to see no grumble, grumble, grumble,

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Speaker 1: I got screwed. All right, that's what's happening in the news.

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Speaker 1: Let's now welcome in one of our favorite friends of

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Speaker 1: the show. He is listen, you can say it, say it.

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Speaker 1: He's he's royalty down there in Texas. He's co hosted

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Speaker 1: the morning show on Sports RA six. Played ten years

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League for the Texans and the Jaguars,

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Speaker 1: went to Cornell. Ever heard of that? He is the

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Speaker 1: great Seth Payne. Welcome back to the Around the NFL podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thanks thanks for bringing me in after the presidential talk.

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Speaker 1: But then also I only caught a little bit of

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Speaker 1: the Handsome Coach rankings, and I gotta tell you that's

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Speaker 1: kind of my wheelhouse. I know you guys brought me

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Speaker 1: on for something else, but Kevin, Kevin Stefanski, a man

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Speaker 1: who is very, very strict about mask wearing. I realized

478
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Speaker 1: a couple of days ago that I didn't even really

479
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Speaker 1: remember what he looked like, and I looked him back up.

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Speaker 1: My god, ruggedly handsome son the same page there. We've

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Speaker 1: heard about that inwardly for months. I mean, Mark Stons

482
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Speaker 1: are like random texts at like three in the morning

483
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Speaker 1: about how how handsome Stefanski is. It's you go. You

484
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Speaker 1: go from Freddie Kitchens to Kevin Stefanski. Imagine if that was,

485
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Speaker 1: you know, in another world somewhere you went. You from

486
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Speaker 1: a dating angle, if you were a nice young woman

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Speaker 1: and you started you go from Kevin from Kitchens to Stefanski.

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Speaker 1: I mean we've we've wondered if he's potentially I'm a

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Speaker 1: synthetic human and not real, Yeah, and wondered that. I

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Speaker 1: also gotta you know, because he was in the news

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Speaker 1: a lot last week obviously for the COVID and being

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Speaker 1: in the basement, and as someone who watches a lot

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Speaker 1: of Dateline on NBC, he looks like the guy that's

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Speaker 1: been in every date line when the wife goes missing

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Speaker 1: and there's some life insurance that hasn't been paid out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that's that's the bad boy appeal. Alright. But enough

497
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Speaker 1: of that funny business. We we need you to help

498
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Speaker 1: us out with what's going on, uh with the Texans,

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Speaker 1: the Nikissario higher, Deshaun Watson unhappy. Uh, this this feels

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Speaker 1: like catnip. If you're doing radio down there, what what's

501
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: your over general general vibe of what's going on with Houston?

502
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: Is that a total mess? Oh? It's a it's a disaster.

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Speaker 1: And I know, I know this smile on my face

504
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Speaker 1: would tell you a different story. But I know you

505
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Speaker 1: guys have been recording and listen. I I'm so happy

506
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Speaker 1: for Mark because you've been simpatico with me the whole

507
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Speaker 1: time on this whole Jack Easterby scenario. And uh, and

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00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: so Jack Easterby was the vice president of football operations.

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Speaker 1: He's been kind of uh, he's he's been an intriguing

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Speaker 1: figure since he's been here, and a lot of people

511
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Speaker 1: would point to him as a reason for a lot

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Speaker 1: of the divisiveness within the organization right now, So you

513
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: guys have been on air or recording this podcast, Andre

514
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Speaker 1: Johnson just tweeted out, if I'm Deshaun Watson, I will

515
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Speaker 1: stand my ground. The Texans organization is known for wasting

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Speaker 1: players careers. Since Jack Easterby has walked into the building,

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Speaker 1: nothing good has happened in or for the organization, and

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Speaker 1: for some reason, someone can't seem to see what's going on.

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00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: Pathetic exclamation. So uh, there's yeah there. Look, Deshaun Watson

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Speaker 1: is very, very unhappy. And I think the important thing

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Speaker 1: to keep in mind here is that Deshaun Watson is

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Speaker 1: not a male content. Deshaun Watson's not the guy that

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Speaker 1: complains about stuff. If anything, he was criticized at times

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Speaker 1: this year for being too positive and being too happy

525
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Speaker 1: as all of as they're having such a two, such

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Speaker 1: a hard season. So at the end of the year

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Speaker 1: he says very simply on Monday after the Titans lost,

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Speaker 1: we need a culture shift, that we need better leadership. Um.

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Speaker 1: There are people who think they have the power and

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Speaker 1: that they don't I'm paraphrasing on the second part there

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Speaker 1: and and a lot of people pointed to Jack Easterby. Um.

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Speaker 1: And at least at the very least when you talk

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Speaker 1: about culture, this was a culture created by Bill O'Brien

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Speaker 1: who came from the Patriots, Jack Easterby, who came from

535
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Speaker 1: the Patriots and was supposed to be the cultural maven,

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Speaker 1: you know, it was supposed to bring in all this

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Speaker 1: positive energy and whatnot, and Deshaun wanted something different. When

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden kl McNair hires Nick Cassario, it

539
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: was very well qualified by every measure, but he's from

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Speaker 1: New England. I think that Deshaun Watson, who had been

541
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Speaker 1: promised to have some kind of input and that he

542
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: would be listened to, he was caught off guard, as

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Speaker 1: were a lot of other people in the Texans organization.

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Speaker 1: And it really felt like there was like skullduggery at

545
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Speaker 1: work here that somehow they had departed from the process

546
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Speaker 1: where they were going to use a search firm and

547
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Speaker 1: use one of those candidates. And there's a whole lot

548
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Speaker 1: more that goes into it. But yeah, it's a it's

549
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Speaker 1: a mess in Houston right now. I mean once so

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Speaker 1: you know, Eric B Enemy's name just came up before

551
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Speaker 1: we started recording this as a candidate that they can

552
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Speaker 1: talk to when the chiefs at some point are eliminated.

553
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: So Monday, Um, and you are Deshaun Watson? Does that?

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Speaker 1: Would that settle him down? Because that was someone he

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Speaker 1: particularly named himself. I have a second little question. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever do you look out the window and see

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Speaker 1: at any point sort of like a suspicious black sedan

558
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: parked out there. You've been so vocal on Jack Easterby,

559
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Speaker 1: I have to believe that um easter be a mysterious figure,

560
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: might be having you tailed. I just to be concerned

561
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: for your safety in the middle of this though. You know.

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Speaker 1: The second part is something that came up in a

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Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated article during the season. It's a big expose

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Speaker 1: about Jack Easterby and this guy who was supposed to

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Speaker 1: be incredible at creating the perfect organization. Whereas there are

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Speaker 1: a couple of players quoted in there that thought that

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Speaker 1: of the people in the building don't trust Jack Easterby. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then one of the accusations a couple of players

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Speaker 1: made was that they felt like they were being tailed

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Speaker 1: at some point. Personally, I think I'm safe, Mark, because frankly,

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Speaker 1: I am one of a cacophony of voices singing out

572
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Speaker 1: raising our voices against Jack Easterby. I mean, uh, Andre

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Speaker 1: Johnson now joins the mix. I have talked to a

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Speaker 1: bunch of people since that Sports Illustrated article came out,

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Speaker 1: and there's no reason to disbelieve any of the sources

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Speaker 1: in that article. Um. All of it kind of fits.

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Speaker 1: And I think that when it comes to the enemy, yes,

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson admires Eric b enemy, but I think he

579
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Speaker 1: would be really intrigued by hiring Eric Benny. But I don't.

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Speaker 1: I never got the sense that Deshaun Watson wants to

581
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Speaker 1: hand pick the coach. But I thought, I think that

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Speaker 1: the owner told him that he would have input, that

583
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Speaker 1: he would be listened to, and I don't think he

584
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Speaker 1: necessarily feels like he's been listened to. And and especially

585
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Speaker 1: because you know, I don't know how explicit Deshaun would

586
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Speaker 1: have been and explaining what's wrong with the culture. But

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00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: it sure feels a whole lot like that when you tell,

588
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: when you're telling people and you're trying to say, hey,

589
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: there's a problem with a culture here, and you just

590
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: bring in the best bud of the guy that perhaps

591
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: some people like Andre Johnson think is actually destroying the culture. There.

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Speaker 1: He got peeved and a lot of other people, you know,

593
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: the Jamie Roots, the team President uh is not on

594
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 1: stable ground right now. A lot of people in the

595
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: organization thought that the Texans were running an actual search,

596
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: and it didn't look like they were. As far as

597
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: Eric b Ennemy goes, look, nickis Sarrio, and this is

598
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: where things get a litt nuanced. I like, I like

599
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: the hiring of Nicko Sarrio as long as they're not

600
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: trying to import the Patriots way because it doesn't work

601
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: outside of Foxboro. Um. But he just started working a

602
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: couple of days ago. I think it's now a matter

603
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: of Nick Cassario getting on the same page with Deshaun Watson,

604
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: working with him, trying to settle this thing down. It's

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Speaker 1: January twelve, We've got time, you know, before any kind

606
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: of trade would need to be executed. Do you think

607
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: it will though? Like how you know when you see

608
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: you know, Chris Mortenson reporting that Watson um sees Miami

609
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: as a destination that he would be interested. And that

610
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: was the first time that I thought, Okay, maybe this

611
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: has legs because it's gonna be all up to Watson,

612
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: how how serious he would be unwanting to force the

613
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: trade if they can calm him down, um in the

614
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: emotions of the season ending kind of wear away, like

615
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: it would be insane to trade Deshaun Watson, Like I

616
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: don't think any it not like Nick Serio I think

617
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: would come in and want to do that. It would

618
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: be insane, Like it would make first of all, you

619
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Speaker 1: have dead money on your cap to be getting rid

620
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Speaker 1: of one of the best five, you know quarterbacks in

621
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Speaker 1: the NFL, like Entry his private literally that's there's never

622
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: been a precedent for a trade like that, not for

623
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Speaker 1: a quarterback that young. Uh, and that could so it

624
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: would be insane. But do you think, like, how like

625
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: much legs do you think it would have for Watson

626
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: to like stay angry? I guess uh, that's that's the question. Okay,

627
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: is this gonna be entrenched. Is it gonna take Is

628
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: he gonna feel this way to three four months? I

629
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Speaker 1: think it depends on a couple of things. One, I

630
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Speaker 1: don't know how much Jack Easterby ways into Deshaun Watson's

631
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: personal opinion about this. I know that Andre Johnson and

632
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: other very just reputable guys that don't whine about much

633
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: um have strong feelings about Jack Easterby. It might be

634
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: as simple as the elimination of Jack Easterby. I don't

635
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: know it's not gonna happen. I mean that there's no

636
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: chance that's gonna happen. He just picked. He really just

637
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: picked the head coach after Here's the thing about the

638
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Speaker 1: easter By stuff. I know he's hitted a lot on

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Speaker 1: this show, but basically everything that we were sort of

640
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Speaker 1: bringing up as a supposed conspiracy theory came exactly true

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Speaker 1: as recently as last weekend. Every single reporter, including someone

642
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Speaker 1: on our network, who have expressed regret about it, was

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Speaker 1: buying the whole idea that Easterby might not be on

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Speaker 1: solid footing, he might not have any role in the organization,

645
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: and that he's not even involved with the hiring. So

646
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Speaker 1: then a day later, they hired the guy that they

647
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: were hanging out at the Patriots Super Bowl ring party,

648
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Speaker 1: and that they got accused of tampering with that's his

649
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Speaker 1: best friend. So like no one knew anything. It's clearly

650
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Speaker 1: easter Ban mcna you know, has McNab that you know. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you see me waving my head in my hands and

652
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Speaker 1: shaking my head emphatically. Look, guys, I smelled this a

653
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: mile away when Jack Easterby was here within a few months,

654
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Speaker 1: as soon as Brian Gaine was gone. As soon as

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Speaker 1: Jack easter be got here, Bryan Gaine, an actual general manager,

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Speaker 1: got a fire River native by the way. That's right,

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00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. Um as uh, Rockland County. As

658
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Speaker 1: so as there in pursuit hot pursuit of Nick Cassario,

659
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Speaker 1: I've predicted at that time, you know, a year and

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00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: a half ago, you know what Jack Easterby will be

661
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Speaker 1: standing after Bill O'Brien has gone. It's that kind of

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Speaker 1: a scenario. And people thought I was crazy. Excuse me

663
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Speaker 1: of being a conspiracy theorist. But this is what he does.

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Speaker 1: He he sidles up to very important people and gets

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Speaker 1: them to believe things that just simply are not true. Um,

666
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Speaker 1: and he creates this distorted version of reality as far

667
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Speaker 1: as the Miami thing goes. Greg. To get back to that, UM,

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Speaker 1: I think that it's important to note that DeShawn has

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Speaker 1: not requested a trade. Deshaun, including you know, the people

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Speaker 1: close to DeShawn, nobody has credibly said that Deshaun wants

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Speaker 1: a trade. I think that he said he'd be amenable

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Speaker 1: to a trade in Miami, like that would be an

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00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: okay destination. But UM, it's not at that point yet.

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Speaker 1: You can see not to keep any of it. You

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Speaker 1: could see. Quickly after that, the Watson News came out,

676
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: they interviewed the offensive corner, Tim Kelly, who he likes.

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00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: That was like, hey, Deshan, look at this, and now hey,

678
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Speaker 1: we're interviewing Eric bi enemy. Like I think they're gonna

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00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: do everything possible to make it up. You know, commenting

680
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: in life, you've heard about it, when couples are in danger,

681
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: the relationships flaming out. Well, let's you know, do the

682
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: band aid baby and it never works and it's not

683
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Speaker 1: good for anybody involved. A band aid head coach seems

684
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: similarly flawed, and do him for failure. Let me let

685
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Speaker 1: me kind of my last thing to see you up

686
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: on here, Seth, I'm gonna play Devil's advocate. Okay, Deshaun Watson,

687
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: he's a Hall of Fame level talent, but the Texans

688
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: and the wreckage of the Bill O'Brien era are so

689
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: poorly set up for the future right now. Well, who's

690
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Speaker 1: to say that trading Deshaun Watson for a quarterback like

691
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Speaker 1: a Tua or a Sam Donald and let's say three

692
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: first round picks, Greg, put your hand down. This is

693
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Speaker 1: for Seth. This question is not actually, although popular opinion

694
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: wouldn't be with you on this, and clearing up your

695
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: cap and all the other stuff is not the best

696
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: things for the Texans franchise that got as far as

697
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: it could with the setup they had and now needs

698
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: to reboot. I would say this, the Texans came into

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00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: existence in two thousand two. Well, their first season was

700
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: two thousand two. They found Deshaun Watson in two thousand seventeen,

701
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: and you had to trade up to get him, and

702
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: it was a spot in the draft towards not necessarily

703
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: a slam dunkey. You feel great about it. Um, Nothing

704
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: is worth something that might take another seventeen years to replace.

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Speaker 1: It's just I mean, look at the Jacksonville Jaguars. How

706
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: many times did they have to use draft capital on

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Speaker 1: high picks and and and swinging with on it? So, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a It's a beautiful dream, is what it is. Dan,

709
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Speaker 1: But you can't fall for beautiful dreams like Bill O'Brien

710
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Speaker 1: and Jack east Be did trade after trade, signing after signing.

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Speaker 1: If only, hey, remember how good these guys were in

712
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen. That's all we need is for David

713
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: Johnson and Randall Cup and Brandon Coach and everybody else.

714
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: You can't fall for that line of reasoning, right, I

715
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: mean Watson, Watson is the most important person in the organization.

716
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean he is more important than the owner at

717
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: least two fans. He should be because like, you can

718
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: get other owners. I mean you're not going to but

719
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 1: like Watson is to me, you're a placeable And people

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00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: act like they're in such a crazy tough spot. No,

721
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Speaker 1: I mean you're missing a couple of draft picks. You

722
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: got them next year. Like you've got some good players,

723
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Speaker 1: You've got one of the best left tackles, and like,

724
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Speaker 1: I mean you've got Deshaun Watson. I just The thing

725
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: that Texans fans are worried about, which I understand and

726
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: they're gonna stay worried, is the process to which you

727
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: got to this point. If the process is super flawed

728
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: and the people running that process are are flawed and

729
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: how they got there, and I would put easter be

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Speaker 1: you know, and ownership into that, then that makes you

731
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Speaker 1: feel like it's doomed. But here's the thing. I'd still

732
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Speaker 1: keep up, keep you know, Watson around for the next

733
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Speaker 1: team that takes over in three or four years. If

734
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Speaker 1: this thing blows up, He'll only be twenty eight years

735
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: old then, and you still have Deshaun Watson. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: as far as the actual situation goes, you make a

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Speaker 1: great point, Greg, because look, are there teams out there

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Speaker 1: right now that would trade the Texans don't have a

739
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Speaker 1: person a second round pick right now? Are there teams

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Speaker 1: out there that would say, hey, we'll give you a

741
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Speaker 1: first in a second round pick and we'll take on

742
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Speaker 1: DeShawn Watson's contract. Uh it, We'll take that in a heartbeat,

743
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Speaker 1: you know. And I'd say half the teams in the

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00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: league probably would. So the situation is not as dire

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00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: simply because you have DeShawn Watson. Alright, Seth, I hear

746
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: an engine idoling outside your front door right now, my friend,

747
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: keep up the good work down there, and he's gonna

748
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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. Always a pleasure. My kidnapping

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00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 1: will be live stream. Thank you. Guys. There he goes

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00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: the great Seth. Than give him a follow on Twitter

751
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: and check out all this stuff. He's great. Um, you

752
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: know that's it's a thing about all this that you

753
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: feel for Texans fans because man, I just went through

754
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: it with Jamal Adams. Who's safety when you become attached

755
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: to a star player and he's like the face of

756
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: your franchise and then you're just holding your breath every

757
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: morning that the news isn't gonna see this thing spiraling

758
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: further out of control with your star and your your team.

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00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: So it's a time of moneys uh and Seth has

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Speaker 1: it now, so we'll be I think one of the

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Speaker 1: top storylines to track this office. I mean, it's gonna

762
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna haunt our podcast, um every single episode. This

763
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: is a good one though, it's interesting, you know, Dak Prescott,

764
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Speaker 1: Dak getting paid. That's gonna haunt out this one at

765
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Speaker 1: least has some intrigue. I just feel for the Texans

766
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Speaker 1: fans that aren't going to be enjoying the roller coast.

767
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: This isn't a total parallel because the age of the

768
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks is so different, but you could kind of

769
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Speaker 1: look at what Carson Palmer did, um, when he just

770
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: got utterly frustrated with the Bengals. He said, I've made

771
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: enough money. Um, I'm simply not going to play for

772
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Speaker 1: them anymore and forced to trade. I mean, I agree

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Speaker 1: with you, Greg that Deshaun Watts and if he really

774
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: wants out, he has more power than anyone else. But

775
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: if you're Nickkissaria, you think that you're forty five years old,

776
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: you've took your first GM job, and your first headline

777
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: move is to remove the team from Deshaun Watson. I

778
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: think that they're gonna do everything they can to prevent it. Alright,

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00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: good stuff, um, and thank you again to seth All.

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Speaker 1: Right before we go, I did put out a prompt

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Speaker 1: there to the fine listeners of the Around the NFL podcast, who,

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00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: as always, they brought the heat, and you know I

783
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: gave them about an hour. I got hundreds of replies

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Speaker 1: for questions here and by the way, the A t

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Speaker 1: N Subreddit, which is a fan rent run board, just

786
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: past fifteen thousand members. And Ricky Hollywood, who does incredible

787
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Speaker 1: work over on the A t N podcast on Instagram

788
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Speaker 1: that's closed in it on twenty thousand. We want to

789
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Speaker 1: get over that hump, so get on there. Ricky's always

790
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: putting up a good junk for you to enjoy. UM,

791
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: So thank you to the fans. Here's our thank you

792
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: to you be involved with the show. Here we go.

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00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: Greg Van popper Ring asks where will Doug Peterson land mark?

794
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: This feels like to me again the unusual circumstances around

795
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: head coach who wins the Super Bowl three years ago

796
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: for a franchise that had never won in fifty years

797
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: before that, and then gets canned in some type of

798
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: power struggle, A guy that might land on his feet

799
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Speaker 1: immediately in another head coach chair. Do you see it

800
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: that way? There's seven gigs, here are six gigs for him.

801
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: I mean they parted with Andy Reid, they parted with

802
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly, and both of those coaches got head coaching

803
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: jobs right after. And I would argue that Doug Peterson, Um,

804
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Speaker 1: there are different types of teams out there, There are

805
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: different types of ownership groups. And uh, there's a lot

806
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: to like about Doug Peterson. I believe if you're an

807
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: NFL owner, Um, there's a little bit of a stink

808
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: on him. But Dan, you like there are people that

809
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: think the way that you do too, that he probably

810
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: was a little scapegoated here. Um, I wouldn't put him

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Speaker 1: at the top of the list, but I wouldn't be

812
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: surprised to you got a job at all. Yeah, I agree.

813
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: I think he's got a chance, and if not, he'll

814
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: be back in the mix next year. It's not it

815
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Speaker 1: may not be. Almost every coach always says they like,

816
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: it's not the worst thing to take a year in between.

817
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: You know, you can work on fearless too. Um, when

818
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: I told when I told Eagles ownership to shove it

819
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: or something, I don't know. I guess he can say

820
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: fearless too for winning the Super Bowl with the Jets

821
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Speaker 1: or the Chargers Falcons and they don't want to burn

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Speaker 1: that title, you know, fearless to colon increasingly fearless. I

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00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: kind of like that. Um. Josh Perry Big j Powski

824
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Speaker 1: on Twitter asks how many fingers and answer this seriously,

825
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Speaker 1: mark how many fingers would Mark? Sacrifice to guarantee the

826
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Speaker 1: Browns win the Super Bowl this year? Would you give

827
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Speaker 1: up a finger? I don't know. There's a lot of

828
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Speaker 1: this going on, and it it Mike Rabel started this

829
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Speaker 1: about cutting off a different body part of his um.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't sacrifice a body part for for things like this. No, okay,

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Speaker 1: And for those that don't know, if you don't remember,

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Speaker 1: Mike Rabel said he would sacrifice. I mean, I definitely

833
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that. But but as our friend Will Brnson

834
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Speaker 1: said he'd do that, but he won't, you know, go

835
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Speaker 1: for it on fourth and two other ways to get there.

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Speaker 1: That's right. How about a picky toe? Mark? Sure? Oh

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Speaker 1: I hate feet and they're like I don't. Yeah, in

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Speaker 1: a minute, you would hate You hate your feet enough

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Speaker 1: to mutilate them? Now that I mean, like, who sees

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Speaker 1: my feet? Nobody? So if I had to cut off

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Speaker 1: a toe, or if someone's like, why are you missing

842
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: your pinky toe? And I was like, well I did

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Speaker 1: it and ensured the Browns want So it's I'm wrong

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Speaker 1: if I say I wouldn't remove a body partner, I

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Speaker 1: have fingers. Though I've known you for a decade, Mark,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen your feet. I don't

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Speaker 1: think I've ever seen your bare legs. You're you're a

848
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Speaker 1: pants guy all the way. I mean I've I think

849
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: I've warned. I don't think we've gone like swimming or

850
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: to the beach together or something. So that's part of

851
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: the raid in hotel rooms together, and in the same

852
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: in my hotel room, I will there will be bare legs.

853
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: I must have seen him. And when Mark and I

854
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: went running by Anderson Cooper at Anderson Cooper sell them

855
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: also so love going on there. All right, Uh, here

856
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: we go this from Angus Bell. What do the Seahawks

857
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: need to do to fix their anemic offense? Is Schottenheimer

858
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: the problem? Greg, I think he's The easiest solution is

859
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: to change out Schottenheimer. I did not like what I

860
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: heard out of Pete Carroll that his takeaway from the

861
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: end of the season was that they need to run

862
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: the ball more and more effectively. They were pretty effective

863
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: running it. Now the problem is they weren't effective enough

864
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: throwing it. But that to me is a coaching problem.

865
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: When you have players as talented as Russell Wilson, DK

866
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: Metcalf and Tyler Lockett, Zachariah Lewis asks should the Bears

867
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: reboot minus Matt Naggy head coach and GM Ryan Pace.

868
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: This isn't the same apples to apples comparison to what's

869
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: going on with the Eagles. But me, I hesitate, um,

870
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: because the quarterback situation was so sloppy. Um for Naggy Pace,

871
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: maybe do what you will with Pace. But throwing out

872
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: Naggy because Mitch Drabinsky and Nick falls stink, I don't

873
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: know if I feel good about that. I'd reboot the

874
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: whole thing hardcore because I mean, well, look at let's

875
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: just say, definitely Pace Pace. You can charge a lot

876
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: of their issues charged back to Pace decisions. Mike Kavanaugh asks,

877
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: considering how historically bad the Jets are at drafting, how

878
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 1: many first round picks would Dan give to get Deshaun Watson.

879
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,479
Speaker 1: That's a very good question. Uh. I mean, you've gotta

880
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: be stay within reason here, but I would give up

881
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: to three first round picks to get a twenty six

882
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: year old quarterback who's on a Hall of Fame trajectory. Um.

883
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: I think there's almost no offer that I would say, Oh,

884
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: no way in hell, Because Greg, as you point out,

885
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: all the time, Like these first round picks are such

886
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: a crapshoot to start with, There's nothing crapshoot or crappy

887
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: about Deshaun Watson. Yeah, you could try to finagle some

888
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: other trade where to get one of those, you know,

889
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: get an extra first round pick, like you trade down

890
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: from the two. I guess you probably have to include

891
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: that number two overall pick. But yeah, three or four, whatever,

892
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: whatever it takes. What like, what is the number where

893
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,479
Speaker 1: it ceases to be something that you would do? Greg?

894
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: Ten first round picks for Deshaun Watson? Would you do that?

895
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just seems weird. I think the bigger

896
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: thing I wouldn't want to do is like trade a first, second,

897
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: and third for like three straight years. I mean that's

898
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: the thing is like second, you know, the second round,

899
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 1: your whole draft, right, are are almost as almost as valuable.

900
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I don't think the Jets draft history

901
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: should matter here, Like, look, Joe d had a good,

902
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: uh good thing, but at least I would give four

903
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: at least Okay, there you go. Uh follow up question

904
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: from Ryan worst case in parentheses realistic coaching higher for

905
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: the Jets. That's Marvin Lewis who came in for an interview,

906
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: and all due respect to Marvin Lewis, the respect that

907
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: Mark has never afforded Lewis on this podcast. Man Lewis

908
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: a co tight like higher for the fan base. So

909
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis, I don't care how well he interviewed Johnson family.

910
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: Do not do that. Uh. Jeff Yates asked, depending on

911
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: who the coaches, which way do you think Detroit should

912
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: lean in the matt Stafford situation? Should they build around

913
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: him or should they blow that situation up? Mark Um,

914
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: The problem with with with moving on from Matthew Stafford

915
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: is that who's there. I mean, I don't think you

916
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: start a new coach with, Hey, we're going to remove

917
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: our franchise quarterback and by the way, it might take

918
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: twenty five years to find another. So I want to

919
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: know what you're getting in return for Matthew Stafford, and

920
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: better be huge and pivotal. Um. I think Matthew Stafford

921
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't be opposed to a fresh start, though, Milo asks

922
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: do you think Cliff Kingsbury, the Cardinal's head coach, should

923
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: be on the hot seat now? I write a hot

924
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: Buck column every August ahead of the start of the

925
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: season and he is going to be, for me, a

926
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: little higher up on the list. What do you think

927
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so because I still look

928
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: at a team that won eight games in the two

929
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: years previous and was in a really low place, and

930
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: they won eight games last year. So I don't think

931
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: you should be on a hot seat going into this season. Now.

932
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 1: If they win four or five games next year, it's like, okay,

933
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: then you then you're on it. But he's they've been

934
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: on an upper trajectory. I'm glad they asked about Cliff, though,

935
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: because of all these gutless punts that we've seen, I

936
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: never got a chance to mention what I thought was

937
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: the most gutless punt punt of the entire twenty season

938
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: when Cliff punted, and I know it was fourth and

939
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: twenty Cardinals fans, I know, but it was at midfield

940
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: and the season literally ended with the punt. There was

941
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: like three minutes left that he had one time out left,

942
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: and he just decided instead of going for a fourth

943
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: and twenty down eleven, I'm just gonna go to the

944
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: off season. I've never seen him more gutless funt than that,

945
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: Like I'll try to get a holding call or something

946
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: defensive holding call, like do something. What's going on? Greg?

947
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: I gotta I'm pushing back on that because that's bad,

948
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: bad job by Cliff, and I think he deserves to

949
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: be under some scrutiny right now. But Mike Rabel hunting

950
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: on two at the Buffalo forty yard line or at

951
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: the Ravens Ravens forty yard line with Derrick Henry on

952
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: your football team, coming off two thousand yards season, with

953
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: your season hanging in the balance, to me, it doesn't

954
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: get anywhere Tomlins in that category. To come on. I mean, god, Dan,

955
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: that was very bad too. I think it was worse

956
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: because it was maybe he didn't know he only had

957
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: one time out, which would be equally bad, but like

958
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: it was literally just like okay, let's let's all pack

959
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: it up. I would hate to be a head coach

960
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: right now though we're everything you do. There are all

961
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: these like whipper snappers on Twitter, all these like hyper nurse.

962
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: Well no, but if everyone is like everyone knows better

963
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: than the heck, I'm a first snapper. Yeah, hey you Greg.

964
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: Two more questions, this one from Andrews Savory does earl

965
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: Thomas ever sued up in the NFL again, and if not,

966
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: does he make it to canon greg This one's interesting.

967
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: Big expose on Earl came out this week. This guy

968
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: is one of the great safeties of this century and

969
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: he just seemed to have a personality shift that in

970
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: in addition to his declining play, has taken him out

971
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: of the league entirely at what age thirty one? It's crazy.

972
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: I have that article insta papers. I want to read

973
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: it still, but it reminded me like, oh, yeah, I forgot,

974
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: I forgot Earl Thomas wasn't on a team. What the

975
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: what the heck? I mean, Uh, it's insane. He played

976
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: well last year too. It's not like he was a

977
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: dog last year. I think people in Seattle will say

978
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: maybe the personality didn't change that much. He was kind

979
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: of on his own planet the whole time. But you know,

980
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: when you're, you know, one of the best players in

981
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: the league, he just allow. I think you insto the

982
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: paper that and catch up on it. Great because some

983
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: of these things you learn about that tenure in Baltimore.

984
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: Why other teams, you know, you know, these coaches, these gms,

985
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: they all talk. I think he makes the Hall of Fame.

986
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: By the way, sorry to interrupt. I do think he

987
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: makes it. Yes. And finally, Mark Sessler a question for

988
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: you from Drew Drew Smith. Does Mark intend to carry

989
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: his Blue Jay's fandom into next season or was it

990
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: simply a one and done for those that did not follow.

991
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: Over the summer, Mark had had a stand office, almost

992
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: combative relationship with Major League Baseball, but during the pandemic,

993
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: got behind the Toronto Blue Jays franchise You're gonna run

994
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: it back this spring. Part of it was that they

995
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: were in Buffalo for the year. Um. But I went

996
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: in thinking this could be an a venture that's over

997
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: in ten days, ten hours. If it was too boring. UM,

998
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 1: my issue with baseball is it it's on every day.

999
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: It's like four hours long. UM, so engage me. And

1000
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: I found them to be quite UM. I think I

1001
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: picked the right type of team to latch onto. UM.

1002
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm really in favor of how short that regular season was,

1003
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 1: so that I think the you know, the acid test

1004
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: will be am I ready for six months or seven

1005
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: or eight months, however long this season goes on for

1006
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: um of everyday observation, that will be a heavy test.

1007
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: But if I am rooting for any team and it's

1008
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,959
Speaker 1: for them. Uh, that so TBD on the fence again,

1009
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: they could be back in. The Raptors are in Tampa.

1010
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: So the Canadians are are smart enough not to let

1011
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: any of us in at this point, and they're like,

1012
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: they might be back in Buffalo if if we're not

1013
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 1: in any better shape by April. Oh, man, I thought

1014
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: this stuff was all gonna be taken care of. How

1015
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: come that's not the case. That was faulty logical. Oh

1016
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: suddenly it's New Year's even the entire world will be

1017
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: fine by morning. Wouldn't that have been cool? Though? That

1018
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: would be cool? Yeah, I guess maybe January thirty one,

1019
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 1: when we hit to February one, everything is no doubt

1020
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: that that's how it's going to play out, all right,

1021
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: the schedule to come. Uh. In our podcast Thursday, the

1022
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: preview pod Divisional Round, we dive deep on all of

1023
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: those games. Already reached out to Nick Shook. I want

1024
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: to have him involved for the Browns preview um and

1025
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: then Friday, you could check us out on television the

1026
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: around the NFL broadcast, the television show that is airing

1027
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: nice cushy time slot there three pm. Is that three

1028
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: pm Eastern? Well, I'll take it either way, Okay, just

1029
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: checking it's three pacific. Um. I heard from someone very

1030
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: high up in the company that they were um in quotes,

1031
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: stunned by uh the ratings bump of our show, and

1032
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: it maybe it may not be the end of better

1033
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: time slots. We did a huge number last week. Um.

1034
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: And then if you are an overseas listener, I believe

1035
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 1: you can access that with your game Pass international UH

1036
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: log in and then we will be back, of course

1037
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: Sunday night for the flagship show, breaking down all the

1038
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: action and mark that game, the Browns game already check

1039
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: the schedule Sunday, the early game, so that will give

1040
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: good or bad. You'll have plenty of time to kind

1041
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: of process it before the show begins, because that was

1042
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: quite a challenge one I thought you handled very well

1043
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: on Sunday night, coming on directly after that game against

1044
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: the Steelers. This time, you're gonna have some process time.

1045
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: It's easier to handle. I guess a tough assignment about

1046
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: talking about football when the team wins. But um, we'll see.

1047
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: I think you know, like you mentioned a little house

1048
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: money vibe to it, I'm willing to accept whatever happens

1049
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: this weekend in a different way than I would have

1050
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: um A couple of day Steelers, Yeah, shout out and

1051
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 1: a happy birthday by the way to my on Walker

1052
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: sixth birthday today. Funniest guy now, the biggest, biggest football

1053
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: fan I know. Now he's he's addicted. He was just

1054
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: making lists before last weekend of which games he was

1055
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: most excited about, which teams he hated the most. Just

1056
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: a lot of rankings, a lot of lists, just like

1057
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: a Jack and Joe Buck scenario here. I can feel it.

1058
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: He's gonna seamlessly slip right in there for Greg. When

1059
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: Gregg decides to hang up, he thinks he's gonna be

1060
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: a player. But I haven't. I haven't had the heart

1061
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: to tell him there's not many like five five players.

1062
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: Let him find that out on his own time. Happy birthday,

1063
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 1: uh to the boy who will be king home? All right,

1064
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: that's it, just Dan Hanson signing out for a quiet storm.

1065
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: The old boss, Ricky Hollywood behind the virtual glass too.