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Speaker 1: and Tie Dan Rubinstein, welcome back to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 1: My friend, it is rainy here in Eastern PA. The

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Speaker 1: But a last, we are here, we are soldiering up.

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Speaker 1: of the pod, My friend, welcome back. How are you today? Terrific?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, Tie. I'm actually feeling better and better with

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Speaker 2: each passing day, largely because Oregon didn't lose to Indiana

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Speaker 2: A very excited Week eight as a jam packed one.

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Speaker 2: So excited to both look ahead look back to some

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Speaker 2: of the games and storylines. We didn't do justice with

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Speaker 2: We've got obviously news to discuss. We did an emergency

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we will get into the Franklin stuff. There were

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Speaker 1: As you said, polls, we've got a couple previews that

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Speaker 1: And yes, of course we have breaking news. Let's just

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Speaker 1: Came as a bit of a surprise. You and I

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Speaker 1: Penn State is now the big job that's on the board.

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Speaker 2: So that's the clear statement and signal. And this can

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Speaker 1: I'm ready. Pack Craft did talk to talk. He talked

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Speaker 2: Because I don't think people will care, because I think

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Speaker 2: He's going to be able to Maybe that's the energize

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Speaker 1: They should contract you out as the PR guy for this.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying it would be an easy sell

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Speaker 1: I think that would be the anger. I don't know

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Speaker 1: three spots, Vandy up a few spots to number seventeen.

432
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: South Florida up five spots all the way up to

433
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: number nineteen. I don't necessarily need to go through the

434
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 1: biggest droppers, but you might expect Oregon in Oklahoma, and

435
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: Michigan Illinois, and Arizona State, Iowa State, Florida State, all

436
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,479
Speaker 1: of these schools dropping a fair amount by virtue of

437
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: their own results from this past week. What are your responses,

438
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: Dan to what you just heard.

439
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 2: I don't have anything too dramatic here. I mean, Florida

440
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: State is slowly bringing down everybody's strength of schedule and record,

441
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: right that like true Alabama's loss is looking worse. It

442
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: looked like Miami's win against Florida State would be a

443
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: nice resume item, and now we might get to the

444
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: end of the season and have a reaction of like

445
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: Virginia was taken a double overtime by Florida State. That's

446
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: not a great look Virginia. Right, So there is that

447
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: that is amongst the top ten. Oregon falling to eight,

448
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: I think makes sense. I think that's reasonable. Texas Tech

449
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 2: should be ahead of Oregon. They haven't lost a game.

450
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: We'll see what Texas Tech looks like and what Baron

451
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 2: Morton's health situation looks like. Because Will Hammond, after looking

452
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: good against Utah, did nothing against Kansas, but all the same,

453
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: they destroyed Kansas. So good for Texas Tech. I feel

454
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: like they've earned that spot there. Thus far, LSU still

455
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 2: doesn't look like a complete team in the way that

456
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,239
Speaker 2: I would like a top ten team to sort of

457
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 2: show shades of because they still don't seem to be

458
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 2: able to figure out offense. We'll see if that's something

459
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: that can grow over the course of the year. It's still,

460
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: you know, early mid October as we record this, Tennessee

461
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: looks a little bit more human, but it's a good

462
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: win over Arkansas. It's better than losing. I don't for

463
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Speaker 2: some reason, and I don't know if you came across

464
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 2: this in your social media morning here on Monday morning.

465
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: Maybe I was just GEO targeted because of where I

466
00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: am in this universe. I'm seeing a lot of like,

467
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: explain to me why Illinois copare resumes with no nap.

468
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 2: There was a lot of Illinois pr anger about Illinois

469
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: not being in the top twenty five with their two

470
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: losses now to Ohio State and Indiana, two top three teams.

471
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: To be sure, do you feel strongly about Illinois with

472
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: a signature win against USC which has looked better now

473
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: right than ever, and two losses to top three teams?

474
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Speaker 2: Anything there?

475
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Speaker 1: I'm really mixed. I gotta be honest with you. I'm

476
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: really truly mixed. Okay, I don't know what to think.

477
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: I want to think more highly of them, I really

478
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: truly do. I just can't bring myself to do it.

479
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: Here's where I stand with that.

480
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: Illinois I think is a good team, pretty good good

481
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 2: wherever you want to land with them, that's fine. When

482
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 2: your team loses by fifty three, you're gonna have to

483
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 2: give it a minute before you start complaining about where

484
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 2: you rank or not ranked. Yeah, right, that there is

485
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: a certain I thought the Ohio State performance, all things considered.

486
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: They fought really nicely, especially in the second half. They

487
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: pulled it to what twenty to ten in the third quarter,

488
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 2: and you got out of hand light and they couldn't

489
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: really do much. But they improved on offense in that

490
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: second half and they quitted themselves. Fine, you lose by

491
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: fifty three, you're gonna have to lay low for a minute.

492
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to lay low before complaining about where

493
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: you are. You're not ranked, and I think Illinois has

494
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: the opportunity to grow. This is still, you know, mid October,

495
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: but by and large, I think I'm fine with these rankings.

496
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: I think I'm okay with it too. I understand the

497
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: argument for Illinois because I think Illinois is having a

498
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: very good year, and I agree that they acquitted themselves

499
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,479
Speaker 1: fine enough against a really good Ohio State team that's

500
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: gonna win a lot of games this year. It's going

501
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: to be in the playoff, is probably going to win

502
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: the Big Ten. Well, I guess maybe I shouldn't say

503
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: that with how Indiana's come on. But they will be

504
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: in the hunt for sure, probably in that game against Indiana.

505
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: At this point for the Big Ten, I would just

506
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: like to see something more that I could hang my

507
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: Illinois hat on, you know, like I've seen the social clips,

508
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: like I know that people are undervaluing Luke Almeyer. I

509
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: think he's done a really good job this season. He's

510
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: had a good campaign for sure. Can't lose by fifty three,

511
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: y right, fifty three, And there aren't a lot of

512
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: other opportunities here the rest of the way for them

513
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: to pick up that signature win, you know, like Washington, Rutgers, Maryland, Wisconsin, Northwestern,

514
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: those are your remaining games.

515
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: Well, it's not a matter of signature wins. It's a

516
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 2: matter of the schedule is getting easier. And so I

517
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: get it winning, No, I get it. I get the

518
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 2: top twenty.

519
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: And they've played some teams here for sure that I

520
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: think will will help their strength to schedule. But sure,

521
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, there's a pretty good chance Illinois plays out

522
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: the rest of its season, finishes ten and two and

523
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: is sort of an afterthought.

524
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: Oh I don't think you win ten games in the

525
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 2: Big Ten and end up an afterthought. But what is

526
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: if you big ten, you're in the playoff. What is

527
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: considered the standard, the standard for what what is considered

528
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: the standard now for getting into the playoff? Do you

529
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: think a ten and two Illinois relative to the pack

530
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 2: because they're going to be a bunch of two loss teams.

531
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean it depends who else finished. You honestly

532
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: expect that what amounts to an unranked Illinois is going

533
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: to just worm its way up in the polls with

534
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: this remaining schedule, knowing that they lost by fifty three

535
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: points and that they're going to be on the periphery

536
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: of the playoff conversation. I think they're gonna be. I

537
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: think they're going to be a pretty far ways away

538
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: from that conversation. Uh.

539
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: Look, if you finish with ten wins and you're right

540
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: in terms of signature wins, Look, it depends what USC does.

541
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: USC has to do work.

542
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: Right.

543
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: If USC beats Notre Dame and they finish whatever eleven

544
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: and one and Illinois has a win over USC, there's

545
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: your signature, right. Sure, everybody in front of them is

546
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: going to lose if they go ten and two, Right,

547
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: everybody who does Oklahoma have moving forward?

548
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: Right? I mean, look, it's the same argument that I

549
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: am making against Illinois that I think you could also

550
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: make against a team like Notre Dame. Sure, right, two

551
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: early losses to good teams. The problem is that Notre

552
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: Dame lost to Miami and Texas A and m by

553
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: a combined four points, and Illinois lost one game by

554
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: fifty three points. Totally okay. So I just think it's

555
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: a slightly different bit of calculus on the Illinois side,

556
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: even though they're having a really good season. Yeah. No,

557
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: I think you know all of these teams and they

558
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: will only will move up and they're going to be

559
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: in the top twenty by the time all is said

560
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: and done for sure, And I'm sure that their name

561
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: is going to come up in reference to the playoffs

562
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: as well. I just don't see it.

563
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: It will, It will all sort itself out. It will

564
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: all sort itself out. You want to talk about Indiana

565
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: last season without having that signature win they were tending

566
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: to and in the periphery of they were in that's true,

567
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: the neighborhood and got in.

568
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: Let us know your thoughts against solid Verbal at gmail

569
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: dot com. As the old text machine is going off

570
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: here with this coaching search, Dan lot's happening. Okay, Yeah,

571
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: With all that being said, we have a few early

572
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: Bird specials that I think would be appropriate at this

573
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: juncture to talk through. Week seven was a big one.

574
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: Week eight again looks like a pretty big one. Maybe

575
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: not so many obvious headliners. We're not going to have

576
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: the time here to go through all of the ones

577
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: that I think we wanted to cover, but we've got

578
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: three Biggins here. Let's just dive right in early Bird special.

579
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: The big game, I think with respect to the current

580
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 1: state of the college football polls is All Miss against Georgia.

581
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: This one is three point thirty. It's on ABC, it

582
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: is Saturday afternoon. This is a game that All Miss

583
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: won sort of a program defining win in a sense

584
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: a year ago, twenty eight to ten at home in Oxford.

585
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: It is the highest ranked matchup of the week. We've

586
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: got two top ten teams at play here, and bigger picture,

587
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: at least on the Old Miss side, this game against Georgia,

588
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: the game they've got next week on the road against Oklahoma.

589
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: These are the two Biggins. Man, you win one of them,

590
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: you don't do anything stupid the rest of the way.

591
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: I think you're in the playoff. Okay, just that easy,

592
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: Just that easy. In the SEC, all you got to

593
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: do is just win the games are supposed to do. Yeah,

594
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: so this is a six and a half point spread

595
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: for Georgia. It is up. I believe it opened around

596
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: four and a half. What is your initial lean here,

597
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: number five Old Miss on the road at number nine.

598
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: Georgia, Ei Leen ole Miss h covering this game but

599
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: not winning this game. I think there is something about

600
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: Georgia at home. Georgia does by the way, the last

601
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: three four years, they don't cover these games. There's something

602
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna get the stat wrong, but they are

603
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: clearly below five hundred in terms of how they perform

604
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: as a home favorite. I don't like their lack of

605
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: explosion on offense. I don't love that they don't do

606
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: anything incredibly well again, aside from stopping the run, which

607
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 2: is meaningful against ole Miss, when that was like the

608
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: one thing that was working last week against Wazoo. There

609
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: was a certain amount of lethargy that ole Miss was

610
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: playing with against ol against Wazoo last week. By and large,

611
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: you want to say that's a look ahead spot.

612
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: That's fine. They were coming off of.

613
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: A bye I believe, which either points to it or

614
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: points to something in terms of lack of focus. I

615
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: think ole Miss is good. I think they're potentially really

616
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: really good. This is a specific kind of spot at

617
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: Georgia that, let's hope isn't too big for Trinidad. Chambliss

618
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: coming from where he came from. Ole Miss only plays

619
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: four road games this season. I look this up. It's

620
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: at Kentucky, at Georgia, at Oklahoma, and at Mississippi State

621
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: of course in State, So this is by far going

622
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: to be the biggest road stage to date for this

623
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: year's version of ole Miss in Trinidad. Chambliss, so that

624
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: worries me a little bit, given the rust that he

625
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: showed coming off of the bye last week. I also

626
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: think it was a good wake up call probably for

627
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: ole Miss that Wazoo game that they kind of slept,

628
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: walk through stuff, walked something like that. I just there's

629
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: nothing I truly love about Georgia right now, and so

630
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: covering that kind of number against what I feel like

631
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: is a high quality ole Miss team, I'm gonna kind

632
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: of have to see it to believe it. I think

633
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: they were somewhat fortunate to come away with a win

634
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: at Auburn. That was a tough spot for them, and

635
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: by the way, that's a compliment that they were able

636
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: to win that game. To win losable games is a

637
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: difficult thing, especially on the road. I think there is

638
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: a certain amount of moxy to Georgia. I just don't

639
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 2: know if you can count on it week to week.

640
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: And I think ole Miss last year. God, I think

641
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: it was from home alone, right where Kevin McCallister walks

642
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: out of his front doors like I'm.

643
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: Not afraid anymore? Did you hear me?

644
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: There is kind of that feeling in the sec about

645
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: Georgia right now.

646
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: There is they're really I'm not a friend anymore.

647
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: An ole Miss had that breakthrough last year and Kentucky

648
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: had that breakthrough last year. Was thirteen twelve game or

649
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: something like that. The mystique, the Georgia mystique is not

650
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 2: what it was even two years ago.

651
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to go pull that sound now you're

652
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: gonna force me to. It's a pretty good, pretty good sound. Wow,

653
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: what a pull. Good for you, man, that's a good one.

654
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: So I think Georgia still has enough to win this game.

655
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: I think the best of Georgia on the ground running

656
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: the ball. I think there's still enough talent. I think

657
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: there's still enough creativity on this offense at its best

658
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 2: to pull this game out. But I think it's gonna

659
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: be weird and tight twenty three to twenty one.

660
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: Georgia. Man, we're hanging out too much, aren't we. Of

661
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: course we are. We talk to each other more than

662
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: we talk to our wives, which is, yeah, probably not good.

663
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: And between me and you, it's not so bad. I mean,

664
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: I like, it's not so bad. We're all right, We're

665
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: cool statistically speaking, not to make this conversation too boring.

666
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: What's interesting to me is because there's a little bit

667
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: of weakness on weakness going on here. And what I

668
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: mean by that is Georgia has not been very efficient

669
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: on the ground, even though they're running it sixty two

670
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: percent of the time when they're not in like an

671
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: obvious passing situation. Yeah, there are pretty clear signals here

672
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: that Kirby wants to make fetch happen on the ground.

673
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: He wants to run it, doesn't care as much if

674
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: they're efficient at it, but that's just sort of his brand. Yeah,

675
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: And I think that's a good plan because ole Miss

676
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: is very gettable on the ground, like if you take

677
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: away that LSU game, which I do think is a

678
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: bit of a red herring because LSU can't run on anybody. Right,

679
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: ole Miss is given up like five yards of carry,

680
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: so I think it's there if Kirby wants to pursue that.

681
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: But to my eye as well, this looks like a clue,

682
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: slow scoring game. I've got it at twenty four to twenty. Okay,

683
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: I think Georgia wins it. I think because of defense

684
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: and special teams, I have more confidence that Georgia and

685
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: Gunner Stockton are going to make a clutch play. Like

686
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: what jumps out at me a lot here when I

687
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: look at the numbers and the aforementioned mystical spreadsheet is

688
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: that ole Miss is really good at getting pressure, but

689
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: not great at getting sacks, And that skes me out

690
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: a little bit. Going into a matchup with an improviser

691
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: like Gunner Stockton, who is particularly dangerous when you get

692
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: him on the move, just kind of pulling plays out

693
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: of the hat. It's dangerous. I think with a guy

694
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: like Zachariah Branch who isn't necessarily going downfield but is

695
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: really good in space. Yeah, Old Miss, right now, profiles

696
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: is a very average tackling team, right, So you kind

697
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: of mix all that stuff together and it strikes me

698
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: as hey, there's going to be a big play here.

699
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: Don't necessarily where it's going to come from. It's going

700
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: to hinge on like one or two big plays. That's

701
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: what I'm getting from this. A shifty guy like a

702
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: Zechry Branch maybe can thrive in a matchup like this.

703
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: I agree with you when you say twenty three to

704
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: twenty one. Yeah, I'm gonna go twenty four to twenty.

705
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: I think we agree. I think Ole miss covers, but

706
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: I think Georgia wins. Yeah.

707
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: By the way, Georgia has not covered this year at

708
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: any sort of impressive rate. I just I don't think.

709
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: I don't think Vegas. I don't think people have a

710
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: really good handle on what Georgia can be. I think

711
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: they're very well coached. I just think in terms of

712
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: talent at to any spots there, if they were wearing

713
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: another sticker on their helmet, I think we would think

714
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: differently about this Georgia team. Again, winning last week was

715
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: impressive that they were able. That was such a losable

716
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: moment for them, that they were able to finish off Auburn.

717
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think Ole Miss is of too much

718
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: quality to lose this game comfortably. So I either think

719
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: they win it or they lose it close, and it

720
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: should be super entertaining.

721
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: You know, you've been having a pretty good run of

722
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: picks here over the last three weeks or so, and

723
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: it gives me a little bit more confidence in my

724
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: own pick here.

725
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I took Auburn last week to win

726
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: out right, you did, and I kind of stand by it.

727
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: I would do it again. Yeah, you did, But otherwise

728
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: you've been pretty good. Yeah, seven thirty ABC, stay in

729
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: the SEC for a second if we can. Yeah, Number

730
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: eleven Tennessee on the road, this time at number six Alabama.

731
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: This line is down. When I saw it initially on

732
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: the document, it was eight and a half. It's down

733
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: seven and a half. So maybe a little bit of

734
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: money coming in Tennessee volunteers. Tennessee lost this game fifteen

735
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: straight times during the saban Era, I guess most of

736
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: the saban Era between two thousand and seven and twenty

737
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: twenty one, fifteen straight losses. Since then, they have won

738
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: two of the last three. That includes a seven point

739
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: win last year. In Knoxville, Dan two offenses that I

740
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: think are going to be paramount in this conversation to

741
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: teams that are obvious rivals. Do you have a lean

742
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: I love Alabama? Love Alabama? How much to love Alabama?

743
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: A good deal?

744
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: Alabama I think should be feeling good about itself pulling

745
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: out the win that they pulled out against Missoo last week.

746
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: We haven't used this phrase in a long time. Lro

747
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 2: the luck running out Tennessee with self inflicted wounds ten

748
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: penalties against Arkansas. If you watch that game, Arkansas kind

749
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: of got whatever they wanted on the ground. They did,

750
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: absolutely did, and that gave me pause that Alabama's growing

751
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: in that department that jam Miller seems to be growing

752
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 2: each week. And if you add in a ground game

753
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: to Alabama's repertoire and it opens things up. As ty

754
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: Simpson grows and his ability to spread the ball around grows.

755
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: And be scary, that'd be scared. Now jam Miller was

756
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: out with the concussion. I have not seen his updated status.

757
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: We're only recording this on a Monday, so you know, Erra,

758
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: give that one a little time to develop here over

759
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: the course of the week. But it's a very fair point.

760
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: Have you watched that, We'll call it.

761
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: Alabama's ground game has been growing, and then so Tennessee's.

762
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: On Tennessee on offense with self inflicted wounds against Mississippi

763
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: State the week before that, they were counting on defensive

764
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: playmaking to stay in that game and win that game in.

765
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: Overtime, and I just I'm not buying it. Right now.

766
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: They barely get by Arkansas with a three to nothing

767
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: turnover advantage, and I'm just I think Tennessee's good. I'm

768
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: impressed with Joey Aguilar being thrust into this situation as

769
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 2: quickly as he was. I just think going to Tuscaloosa

770
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: and coming away with a win and even hanging around

771
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: if Bama is now firing on more cylinders, considerably more

772
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: cylinders than they were earlier on in the season.

773
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: I just like Bama here.

774
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: I just I think they have more ways to win

775
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 2: and Tennessee is just They're not as crisp as I'd

776
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: like them to be in this moment to go into

777
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: Tuscaloos and win. So I have Bama buy a couple

778
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: of touchdowns here.

779
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, I'm going Tennessee outright. Wow?

780
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: Okay, you can't argue to me that they've been playing

781
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: in a crisp fashion though no, I know, ten penalties, barely.

782
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: Winning with the three turnover like, Its just okay. These

783
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: are two offenses that have faced a ton of zone coverage. Okay,

784
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: and you've got two quarterbacks who I think are happy

785
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: to sit back there and pick you apart. Yeah. Joey

786
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: Agilar obviously not as pinpoint a passer thus far as

787
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: we have seen from ty Simpson, but he also had

788
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: that reputation when he left apt State, most recently when

789
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: he left the UCLA. We sort of knew that that's

790
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: what Tennessee was signing up for. It's not really a surprise.

791
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: I think I hate this matchup for Tennessee if it

792
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: were just a throwing offense. But it's not right, and

793
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: there is actually a lot of balance here. So the

794
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: key for me is whether they can run. You know,

795
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: we talk about Alabama on the ground, but let's talk

796
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: a little bit about Tennessee on the ground. Play the

797
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: Shawn Bishop star Thomas. That has been a really good tandem.

798
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: They've been excellent. Bishop is over seven and a half

799
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: yards of carry. If I'm Josh Hipel, I spread Alabama out.

800
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: I run it down their throats. I force Alabama to

801
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: bring some safety help up to aid in the ground game. Okay,

802
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: and that's when presumably it could open things up through

803
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: the air. Ok So, I think with that being said,

804
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: being the fact that Tennessee isn't just a one dimensional

805
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: offense and they actually are better and more physical on

806
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: the ground than I think a lot of people would understand.

807
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: This goes back a year, by the way, two years,

808
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: with how they've run this offense. I like the balance

809
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: and I like that part of Tennessee's game, especially going

810
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: into this matchup. I don't know what the status is

811
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: for Jan Miller, but he has been the guy that

812
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: is growing most in this rushing attack for Alabama. And

813
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: I obviously like ty Simpson. We've been talking about ty

814
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: Simpson till we're blue in the face. I really like Alabama.

815
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: I like how they have matured ever since Week one. Right,

816
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: It's clear that they have gotten better. It is clear

817
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: that they are all kind of growing into this new

818
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: system under Ryan Grubb. And it's clear that ty Simpson

819
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: is a better operator of the offense that Calendibor wants

820
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: to run. So I don't want to take anything that

821
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: Alabama has done and poop PuO it. I think they

822
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: have done a really good job ever since that Week

823
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: one loss. But there is something about this game that

824
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: speaks to me, Dan. Okay, there is a big orange

825
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: apparition that appeared above me as I lay in bed

826
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: at night. That's just a pumpkin tie. It's Halloween time.

827
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: I've got Tennessee thirty two to twenty eight here as

828
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: my ob sens action of the week. I'm feeling it.

829
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm feeling it. I saw it. It came to me

830
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: in my sleep. Okay.

831
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: Not a road tested team at all, other than that

832
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: Mississippi State game, by the way, which they had to

833
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: win in overtime in Starkville. Tough place to play. Both

834
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: of these teams, by the way, in terms of your

835
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: final score. I don't hate it because both of these

836
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: teams have been pretty bad in the red zone defensively,

837
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: So that's where Deshaun Bishop, Star Thomas whoever, might really

838
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: earn their stripes. That if you can push Alabama a

839
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: little bit in the red zone. The concern, though, is

840
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: Missus thought the same thing and a Mott Hardy really

841
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 2: did not make a huge difference.

842
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: This is very true. This is a great point, and

843
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: so you can argue yes.

844
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: Of course, what Ty said was that they're going to

845
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 2: run to try and open up the pass boprah bula,

846
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: not necessarily as pinpoint as the best of Joey Aguilar.

847
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: That's fine. I'm okay with that counter again.

848
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: I'll just I'll echo what I said earlier. It seems

849
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,959
Speaker 2: that if you're going to go to Alabama and beat

850
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: them out right, you got to have your your t's

851
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: crossed and your lower case jays dotted.

852
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: And I'm not there with Tennessee thirty two to twenty eight,

853
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: Upset of the Week thirty four to twenty take it

854
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: to the bank, Okay, actually, don't take it to the bank,

855
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: because my take it the bank. Go with Dan, Well, go.

856
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: Take the take the pick to the bank, get out

857
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: a roll of quarters. Put three dollars worth of quarters

858
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: on Tennessee to win out right, and just be happy

859
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: and buy yourself a side of fries with your winnings.

860
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: By bank, I mean piggy bank where you put scare

861
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: change bet like a few dimes on what I am

862
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: saying here.

863
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: Or take it to Tim Banks. Is he not the

864
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator for ten Banks. Okay, very good, I apologize

865
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 2: that was terrible.

866
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: One final preview. At least on this episode, We've got

867
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: more that we're going to get into. There's the Holy

868
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: War this week. There are a bunch of other games

869
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: this week week that I was looking at before. Can

870
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: I interest you in a little LSU Vandy Georgia Tech

871
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: Duke UNLV Boise's a really big deal? Maybe we even

872
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: talk about your Oregon Ducks traveling cross country as a

873
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: sixteen and a half point favorite against Rutgers. Man, I

874
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: want to fly in for that one. Danny excited about

875
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: that one.

876
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 2: Man if Rutgers didn't have what might be the worst

877
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: defense in America or at least in the Big ten.

878
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: Uh No, Although I am sidebar looking to at some

879
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: point going to New Jersey Pizza Tour.

880
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: I believe it to be America's best pizza state. Really,

881
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: I think where would you go in Jersey? Everywhere? I mean,

882
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: we've been to Rotza, Rozza is not a sponsor, could

883
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: be Oh my god, I'd go tie where else in Jersey?

884
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: Well, I want to do Central Jersey, if there is

885
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 2: such a thing as central like Trenton style tomato pies.

886
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: I want to I want to go to Rosy's. I

887
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 2: want to go to so many different places up and

888
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: down New Jersey. So, yeah, I want to go outside

889
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 2: of Philly. I've got a list.

890
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: Hi.

891
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: I actually was sent Friend of the Show, our buddy

892
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: Ben actually has so it's Friend of the Friend of

893
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: the Front whatever. I actually received a Google document that

894
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: has actively updating New Jersey pizza rankings, not like a

895
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: magazine piece, not a website. Somebody's personal updating Google doc

896
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 2: power rankings.

897
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: Well, anytime you want to fly over here, you know,

898
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: you can stay here and we can drive. We can

899
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: do the drive in Jersey and like.

900
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just it's I'm gonna have to sell the

901
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 2: missus on something else.

902
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: Ty and I are gonna volunteer at a bunch of

903
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: middle schools, like a pet shelter or something. Yeah.

904
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna go to pet shelters. We're gonna clean up,

905
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: like we've gotta do something, and then we will just

906
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: get in your car, get in the Mazda, and go

907
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: to a bunch of pizza.

908
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 1: Rias seven point thirty on NBC number twenty, USC number thirteen,

909
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, Notre Dame is a seven and one half

910
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: point favorite. In the last ten meetings of this game, Dan,

911
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: the winning team has scored at least thirty points nine times.

912
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: In many cases, the winning team has scored over forty points.

913
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: The over under here is sixty one and a half points.

914
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: I implore you, my good friends listening at home, your

915
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: luck of the week is the over luck of the week.

916
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: I have many thoughts on this game, as you might expect.

917
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: Why don't you lead us off dance, since you are,

918
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: of course the picker extraordinary seven and a half points

919
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: is the lot in favor of Notre Dame. Who you got? Okay?

920
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: So here's here was my starting point.

921
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: My starting point was Lincoln Riley doesn't win this kind

922
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: of game ever. Ever at USC, a tough road game

923
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 2: against a ranked team. I don't know that he's over,

924
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: but I believe he's over. I believe you as I

925
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: sort of went through the old memory bank speaking of

926
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: taking it to the bank, and I can't remember a

927
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 2: quality road win for Lincoln Riley and USC, can you?

928
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 2: They had their road struggles against literally everybody. Last year

929
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 2: they had the shootout loss. I think it was year

930
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: one against Utah. That was USC just not being able

931
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: to figure out heart how to guard.

932
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: Was it?

933
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 2: Dulton kinkaid, it was a tight end. I forget which one.

934
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: They've struggled here. They've struggled against Notre Dame on the road,

935
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: They've struggled against Oregon on the road, and each season

936
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: is its own beautiful, unique flower snowflake, take your pick.

937
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: So USC from three years ago does not mean that's

938
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: who USC is today, but I would have loved to

939
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: have seen That's barely grammar. It'd be nice to have

940
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 2: seen a Lincoln Riley USC team be prepared to game

941
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 2: plan four and execute during a really big road game.

942
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: And that's not anything we have necessarily seen yet, and

943
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: you never see it until you do. So I'm open

944
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,479
Speaker 2: to USC turning the page and winning this game.

945
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: Okay, USC winning is what I'm here.

946
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm no, I'm just saying, like, this is how we

947
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: previewed the Oregon Penn State game with me saying James

948
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: Franklin doesn't win these games, so I'm gonna be consistent.

949
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley doesn't win these games, but I'm not saying

950
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 2: he never will. I'm just saying are very limited sample size,

951
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: and it is a small sample sized sport. So that's

952
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: all we have to go on. Is USC under Lincoln

953
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 2: Riley has struggled in these spots. Okay, I think USC

954
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 2: this year has a lot more to like about them.

955
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: I think the defense has shown flashes. Although I'm not

956
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: a big believer in them week to week, they certainly

957
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: showed it last week against Michigan.

958
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: They were beat up against Illinois. Everybody's beat up at

959
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: a certain point.

960
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 2: And it comes down in this game to the degree

961
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 2: of your belief in Notre Dame's defense having grown since Purdue.

962
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: I guess Texas A and M but you could I

963
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: understand the give up thirty to Purdue. Yeah, I understand that.

964
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 2: And so your belief in whatever that they've grown since September.

965
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 2: And they've looked good against NC State and Boise State.

966
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: Those teams are not necessarily coming in with the talent

967
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: that USC is coming in with. There's no Makai Lemon

968
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 2: on those rosters. There's no King Miller. I guess I

969
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: didn't anticipate saying that. Who just stomped Michigan. And I

970
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: think Jane Mayova is better than Maddox Madson and CJ.

971
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: Bailey in this.

972
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: Moment, So that was my starting point. I'm a big

973
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: believer in CJ.

974
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: Carr.

975
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in feeling good about home teams

976
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 2: and these kinds of spots. But I'm also not fully

977
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: at a point of trust with Notre Dame's defense, even

978
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: though they've improved. I just when I watch them, I

979
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 2: don't come away thinking they have the number of killers

980
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: i'd like to see up front on defense in this moment. Yeah,

981
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: that's true, and that's just too overall leaf in their defense.

982
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: I really like their playmakers on offense more so than

983
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 2: I have in a while.

984
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: I think. I think there's a good amount of there's a.

985
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: Good and high ceiling I think for what this Notre

986
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 2: Dame team can accomplish on offense, especially against USC, I

987
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 2: think Notre Dame wins this game. But that number is

988
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 2: too high for me. That number is just too high

989
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: for me. I think it's a back and forth game.

990
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: I really do like your pick for the over. I

991
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: don't think it's going to get as out of hand

992
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 2: back and forth as the Texas A and M game.

993
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: But thirty five thirty one, thirty six, thirty four something

994
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: in there I think is appropriate for this game. I

995
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 2: think Notre Dame pulls it out at home.

996
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: I've got thirty eight to thirty one. There you go.

997
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: I think it's somewhere in that neighborhood. By the way,

998
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: I wrote this down, so I don't forget it. I

999
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: don't know if we can see you see it's it's

1000
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: a little bit blurred. Let's Dan open to a USC win.

1001
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: I'm open to it. Ty, great analysis, Dan, thank you,

1002
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing that here with the Ty.

1003
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 2: I have a high bar I need to hit. Penn

1004
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 2: State is talking about the bar that they need to

1005
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: hit as a as a program, as a university.

1006
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: I'm open Now.

1007
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: When I say I'm open to USC winning, is I

1008
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: don't think USC will never win this type of game

1009
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 2: because I think this is a team that has clearly

1010
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 2: shown improvement this year, and there are more playmakers, it seems,

1011
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 2: on defense than in recent years. And whatever Michigan is

1012
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: or isn't, USC played like there there were There was

1013
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 2: much more to believe in about this defense.

1014
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: Last week. If you went to your wife and said,

1015
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: I just just so you know, I don't believe this,

1016
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: but I'm open to you know, who else might be

1017
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. Sure, who is also a woman.

1018
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 2: I don't think my wife has listened to a sentence

1019
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: that long that I've said since twenty twenty three.

1020
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: So.

1021
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 2: I could say that and she'd be like, Okay, whatever,

1022
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: married guys, back.

1023
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,479
Speaker 1: Me up up, all right, all right, I'm just giving

1024
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: you crap.

1025
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 2: No, that's fine. Now, that's what I feel. I feel

1026
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 2: USC is really good. I think they are better than

1027
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: number twenty in the country right now. And I think

1028
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: Notre Dame has a terrific opportunity because of CJ. Carr,

1029
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: because of what I think is some growth on this

1030
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: defense under Chris ash And it's understandable that you take

1031
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 2: some time in getting used to a new defense. They're

1032
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: still playing a bunch of man it's not like they've

1033
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: completely abandoned play. Yeah, it's fifty six percent, which is

1034
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 2: like one of the most in the country.

1035
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, it's more than most of the teams in

1036
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: the country, but it's not as man heavy as it

1037
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: was a year ago.

1038
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: It's this is going to be a much bigger offensive

1039
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: test than what NC State and Boise State this year's

1040
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 2: versions had to offer these past couple weeks. But look,

1041
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 2: Arkansas was able to move the ball some for half

1042
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: a quarter.

1043
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: So there's that they killed Arkansas. And by the way,

1044
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: it had a shot at Tennessee, right we saw just

1045
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: as another frame of reference here. We just got done

1046
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: talking about Tennessee. The defense has definitely improved since the

1047
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: A and M game, I agree, but this is still

1048
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: not the Notre Dame defense from twenty twenty four, and

1049
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: USC is still the top offense per the SP plus.

1050
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see how Chris ash and Marcus

1051
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 1: Freeman and this defensive coaching staff or Notre Dame schemes

1052
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: this one up, because, as you said, they play man,

1053
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: but they're not nearly as heavy on man as they

1054
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: were a year ago. You've got an obvious threat and

1055
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,479
Speaker 1: a guy like a makay Lemon. In theory, it makes

1056
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: sense to just stick Leonard more on him. But mkayle

1057
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: Lemon works like two thirds of the time out of

1058
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: the slot, which is not typically where they put Leonard Moore.

1059
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: Will they put them here there? It's a fair question.

1060
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: I don't think the other guys that they have are

1061
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: gonna be much of a match for mkay Lemon. I

1062
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: think it would behoove them to put Leonard Moore on him,

1063
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: But We'll see, We'll see what they decide to do

1064
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: to what end they mix that up. I'm not as

1065
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: confident as the other guys in past coverage, and so

1066
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: there's a question of, well, if you take away McKayle Lemon,

1067
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: then what happens to Kobe Lane? They can put Christian

1068
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: Gray on him. Christian Gray is great for like two

1069
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: to three pass interference calls in this game. The matter

1070
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: who he's covering had a good game last week, to

1071
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: his credit.

1072
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: But by the way, USC has been utilizing, like McCrea,

1073
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 2: a bunch of tight end Yeah yeah.

1074
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I just there are a bunch of weapons here,

1075
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: is what I am getting at. Yeah, on the USC

1076
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: side of things, that definitely give me cause for pause

1077
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: or favorite pet charity of course. Of course. What scares

1078
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: me most though, is actually what USC has been able

1079
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: to do on the ground this year. And I think

1080
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is going to have a really tough time

1081
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: holding them down in all facets because it is not

1082
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: the same defense.

1083
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 2: Am I out of line when I said that Notre

1084
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 2: Dame doesn't seem to have the killers Like you look

1085
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: up the middle and I'm trying to remember the exact

1086
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 2: names you know that, like previous names have been leaking

1087
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 2: out of my brain like an overstuffed sausage.

1088
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: As I remember, I said, who did I say?

1089
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: I said Malachi COHLEI, which I think I combined Malachai

1090
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 2: Tony and was it Stacy Coley a receiver for Miami

1091
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,479
Speaker 2: way back. Okay, So if memory serves I totally feel

1092
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 2: this way about everything in my life, that every brain

1093
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 2: has a capacity for something like five thousand names and

1094
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 2: then after you hit that, everything is going to go awry.

1095
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: Howard Cross and Riley Mills last year and they were

1096
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 2: beat up Jack Kaiser.

1097
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: Jack Kaiser no longer on the team.

1098
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying, Like, these are the guys

1099
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: that they had Xavier Watts right, that they had these

1100
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: dudes on all three levels that made offenses really really hesitate.

1101
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: And I just in the limited amount you've obviously watched

1102
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: much more Notre Dame than I have this season. Yeah,

1103
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like those guys are on that level,

1104
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 2: at least not yet.

1105
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: Well, the line was a question coming into the year

1106
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: and it remains a question, and there was a huge

1107
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: question around pass rush getting pressure. I think it has improved.

1108
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: It still is not where it was a year ago,

1109
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: and I still think there is an open question about

1110
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: how they deal with a good rushing offense, which is

1111
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: what I think I think USC can be and has

1112
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: been so far this season. And I am concerned about

1113
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: the balance of that USC offense. I don't think Notre

1114
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: Dame is good enough to stop all of it, and

1115
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: I am fearful that they're going to get gashed on

1116
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: the ground, which is partially why I think this is

1117
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: going to be, as you said, a back and forth affair.

1118
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: I just think it's headed in that direction. And furthermore,

1119
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is just as good on offense. The cjcr

1120
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: experiment has worked famously. He's been really good famously. If

1121
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: you have not purchased your CJ. Car stock yet, I

1122
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: would implore you to do so before this weekend, because

1123
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: after this weekend, everybody will know CJ. Carr. CJ car

1124
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: is really good. He is really good. This is not

1125
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: me exaggerating. Just watch him. If you have yet to

1126
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: watch him. I agree he is going to have a

1127
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: good game against USC. I think Notre Dame can push

1128
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: USC around. I think they can push them around. I

1129
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: think they're going to be solid on the ground. I

1130
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: think it's going to be a lot of Jeremiah Love

1131
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: Jadarian Price, and when it's not those two guys, it's

1132
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: going to be CJ. Carr through the air. So this

1133
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: truly could be a situation in which the last team

1134
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: with the ball ends up winning. Okay, I'm with you.

1135
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: I do not trust more names defense, even though they

1136
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: have gotten better, but I do think it's at home.

1137
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: I do think ultimately they've got more playmakers that I

1138
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: trust on offense, and I've got them thirty eight thirty five.

1139
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: But that you didn't answer the question. What was the question?

1140
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: Are you open to the possibility by USC winning? I

1141
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: am open to the possibility as well. Okay, I am,

1142
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: I am, And I may have even wavered in the

1143
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: middle of that preview thirty eight thirty one, thirty eight

1144
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: thirty five somewhere in there. I think it's within that

1145
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: number seven and a half points.

1146
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: I will say we were talking about this before, and

1147
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 2: then we can move on from this game.

1148
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: Less you have any other thoughts. There is no more

1149
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: web savvy, commenting savvy out than USC fans. Oh it's

1150
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: the best. Indiana's pushing for it right now. Indiana's done

1151
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,959
Speaker 1: a good job. They're doing a good job. They've they've

1152
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: been on us here. It's our organ preview, but.

1153
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: We get messages and replies about everything USC.

1154
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: When we pick USC and they win.

1155
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: They're like, well, welcome, You're now catching up to what

1156
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: everybody else has seen with USC. When you pick USC

1157
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: to lose and they win, you're like typical haters. You

1158
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 2: pick USC to lose and they lose, you're correct in

1159
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 2: evaluating USC losing. You're told, guys, do your research. This

1160
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: was always going to be a transition year and a

1161
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 2: lot of research. A lot of people like you don't

1162
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 2: do your research. I'd imagine everybody.

1163
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: Who does this gets that same comment. It's the most

1164
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: popular comment.

1165
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: The attention to detail and the attention to the solid

1166
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 2: verbal as an organization that we get from USC fans

1167
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 2: is unrivaled, and I appreciate it.

1168
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: What is your power ranking? Your current power ranking of

1169
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: loud fan bases on the end right now, you're of

1170
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 1: our Lord twenty twenty five, about midway through the month

1171
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: in October.

1172
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 2: As it relates to our show, or just in general.

1173
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: I think as it relates to our show, But my

1174
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: hunch is that that carries over mirrors many other shows.

1175
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 2: The Ohio State Michigan block of fans is still probably

1176
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 2: the most vocal. I would say, I don't know if

1177
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 2: we just, you know, we are just the sweet nectar

1178
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 2: that attracts the USC fan base. But no, I just

1179
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 2: don't think they're large enough in this moment. We obviously

1180
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 2: have a vocal Oregon contingent. Because of my background. I'm

1181
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 2: trying to think specific schools that seem to really bring

1182
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 2: the energy and heat behind the scenes.

1183
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: Do you have one on me or three? We could

1184
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: post anything. We could fart into a microphone and label

1185
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: it as a Miami video. Oh yeah, we do get

1186
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: a good amount. Yeah, we would get one hundred and

1187
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: fifty comments on it from people either claiming disrespect or

1188
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: good analysis on them.

1189
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I think a lot of Miami fans would

1190
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 2: feel as if us farting into a microphone might be

1191
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: an improvement over what we currently do.

1192
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: That's true. I can't I can't counter it. Miami is

1193
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: number one. Miami is number one of my power rankings

1194
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,959
Speaker 1: right now. Okay, and this isn't even intended as a dunk.

1195
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: I'm just saying in terms of volume and intensity and passion.

1196
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: They've got a lot to be excited about this year. Yeah,

1197
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: so Miami for me is is number one. I actually

1198
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: put Indiana two right now because and this is probably

1199
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: showing a bit of my own ignorance. No, there's a

1200
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,479
Speaker 1: huge alumni based in India. It's a huge alumni base,

1201
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: but I think they are just more recently acquainted with

1202
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: their football prowess and they sort of don't know how

1203
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: to react to it, which I don't blame them for.

1204
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 2: Oh so we're talking about the sig Cadas. Yes, the sig.

1205
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: Catas are coming out of their subterranean layers and definitely

1206
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: commenting on any in all things Indiana that we post,

1207
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: keep the YouTube or where to do it. Even more

1208
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: so going Miami one, I put Indiana to USC is

1209
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: definitely third.

1210
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 2: Well, we get the USC thing both because we have

1211
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 2: Notre Dame in Oregon, right, That's where there's like a crossover.

1212
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. And then I think fourth would definitely

1213
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: still be Michigan. Michigan is like the perennial top five

1214
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: fan base on our videos as far as I'm concerned videos,

1215
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: whatever else. We've had some Oklahoma, we've had some Nebraska, Nebraska,

1216
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: is pushing for a spot in the top five. They're

1217
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: not there yet, but depending on how this goes the

1218
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: rest of the year. I mean, they've got a Friday

1219
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: night game this week that we'll talk about on the

1220
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: next episode. Certainly, if the Rule prophecy comes true, I

1221
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: don't know, but if that ends up being a thing,

1222
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: we will hear a lot more from the Nebraska fan base.

1223
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: I've already been hearing for a lot of Nebraska people

1224
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: who are like, why do you want Rule? Like I

1225
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: like them, but why do you want them? So we're cool.

1226
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,439
Speaker 1: I'm cool with all these guys, all these fan base.

1227
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 1: It's cool, totally cool. But Nebraska's pushing for a top

1228
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: five spot.

1229
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 2: I do What I do enjoy about Nebraska fans this

1230
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 2: season is there's a demand to talk about their absolute

1231
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: garbage offensive line. More right, You're just like, excuse you?

1232
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 2: Will you please draw more attention to our terrible offensive line? Like,

1233
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 2: I guess if you want us to?

1234
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: Sure, Okay, there's a lot the Nebraska thing is gonna

1235
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: be interesting to watch. What was the nickname you found

1236
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: for well Man? I think it's unfair.

1237
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 2: I don't think it's nice people calling Dylan Royola bad

1238
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,439
Speaker 2: pick Mahomes after last week. It's not nice, it's not fair.

1239
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 2: He's a kid. Give them time to grow. And it

1240
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: was a bad game, but Nebraska won the game. When

1241
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 2: you're ones, of course.

1242
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: All right, sorry for that left turn, but okay, I'm

1243
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: glad we were able to get that off our chest.

1244
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: We've got a really good week of games here. It's

1245
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: not just those three. What do we have Friday Night?

1246
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: We've got Louisville Miami, which we're gonna have to talk

1247
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: about definitely next episode. In addition to Nebraska Minnesota, which

1248
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: I listen, take me out of any Minnesota discussion for

1249
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: whatever reason. I have a saft spot for Minnesota football.

1250
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: It's only a seven point line in favor of Nebraska

1251
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: on the road, so somebody is feeling something. I don't

1252
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: know what that scene is going to be like. I'm

1253
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: sure Fleck's going to be fired up for a Friday

1254
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: night game, sure, but there's that early on Saturday. I

1255
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: mentioned LSU Vandy. Vandy is favored, which I remind me

1256
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: the last time Vandy was favored in a spot like

1257
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: that against LSU at home right, Georgia Tech Duke Duke

1258
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: is favored by three makes sense. Duke's good. Michigan favored

1259
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: by five and a half over Washington, PCU, Baylor for

1260
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: all the points. Early on Saturday, m HM and UH

1261
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: Oklahoma on the road at South Carolina.

1262
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 2: It's a great early window, really good early fun. South Carolina.

1263
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 2: I believe just let go of their offensive line.

1264
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: Offensive line coach, Yeah.

1265
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just made a change that the offensive line

1266
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 2: has been pretty putrid. No between Friday and Saturday night Louisville,

1267
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 2: Miami should be good. Miami's favored by a couple of

1268
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 2: touchdowns there. And say what you will about Minnesota this year.

1269
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 2: You could make a very strong case that they're better

1270
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 2: than Purdue after last week. Stop it, yes, stop, hold on,

1271
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 2: hold on, they are almost certainly better than Purdue.

1272
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: They're better than Purdue. They needed a fourth quarter comeback

1273
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: to beat Purdue. They did need a fourth quarter. They

1274
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,479
Speaker 1: could neither run nor pass the ball.

1275
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 2: But I will plant my flag and I will say

1276
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 2: Minnesota almost assuredly better than Purdue.

1277
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon, we've got UNLV Boyse, which is a big

1278
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: deal in the Mountain West. We've got great SMU Clemson

1279
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: Clemson favored by nine and a half points. We've got

1280
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: Texas Tech on the road at ASU, which looked like

1281
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: a bigger matchup weeks ago. I don't know what Sam

1282
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: Levitts status is going to be, but I don't know

1283
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: what Barre Morton status. Doesn't know what Barr Morton's status

1284
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: is going to be. Yeah, Texas Tech fit up to

1285
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: seventh now in the polls there at ten and a

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Speaker 1: half road favorite and Mississippi State up Florida. Florida favored

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Speaker 1: by ten bud Who the hell knows, man, I.

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Speaker 2: Think Mississippi State's pretty good this year. You know who

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Speaker 2: SMU led SMU and receiving last week against who did

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Speaker 2: SMU beat? Did they beat Stanford? Jordan Hudson, Yeah, leading

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Speaker 2: receiver for SMU the name of the season. We didn't

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Speaker 2: mention it, but Clemson obviously took it to Boston College

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Speaker 2: last week. Great afternoon window UNLV looking to stay undefeated.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully we get a good bit of health news from

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Speaker 2: ASU and Texas Tech quarterback wise, and Florida has an

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Speaker 2: opportunity if Florida is maybe sort of kind of decent

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Speaker 2: and maybe kind of sort of want to save billion

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Speaker 2: Apier's job.

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Speaker 1: Which won't happen. Got to be Mississippi State. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: I was wondering if now that the James Franklin thing

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Speaker 1: went down, if perhaps we would see other schools that

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Speaker 1: decide they want to follow suit in Florida is one

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Speaker 1: of them that we'll just keep watching. And then in

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Speaker 1: the nightcap we talked about a couple other night games,

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Speaker 1: of course, but I mentioned Oregon Rutgers, Penn State at Iowa,

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Speaker 1: Terry Smith, interim coach on the road taking his team

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Speaker 1: into that nightmare. Iowa favored by two and a half points.

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Speaker 1: Texas at Kentucky. We've got Maryland at UCLA, the behemoth

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Speaker 1: that is Jerry new heisl and UCLA two straight wins,

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Speaker 1: and Missoo at Auburn could be kind of interesting. That's

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Speaker 1: a great night cap. And then in the late late

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Speaker 1: series of games, Florida State at Stanford. I'm already warning

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Speaker 1: you the hinterlands man Lafayette at Oregon State. That's a

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Speaker 1: fifty point spread. I made that up. No, oh, you

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Speaker 1: did make that up, because I don't think the organistation

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Speaker 1: would be favored by fifty anyway. I wanted to see

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Speaker 1: if you would take the bait. You took the bait.

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Speaker 1: I took the bait. What is that?

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Speaker 2: Is there an actual line in idn't see a line

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Speaker 2: now because I haven't seen Pat league lines this year.

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Speaker 1: We will find I'll find a line for that. We

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Speaker 1: have people we can email. We'll get a line on

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Speaker 1: Lafayette Orgelafia has been pretty good. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: before I go any further, there is a real chance

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Speaker 1: this year that Lehi is going to be hosting an

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Speaker 1: FCS playoff game. Okay, if that happens, you might have

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01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: to fly over here to watch a Lehigh FCS playoff game.

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01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 1: You might have to. If not, I'm going with Kate.

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Speaker 1: Kate and I will go. We can do the onderground reporting.

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Speaker 2: You're going to make the five minute drive. That what

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01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 2: you're saying, the dedicated I would have to go, right.

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Speaker 2: I think so that's a huge deal.

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01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 1: I might be able to coach the team. I got

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Speaker 1: deep connections over at least.

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Speaker 2: Just ask to call the defense, make them say no. Right,

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Speaker 2: you're talking about Pat Craft calling Kurt Signetti. Yeah, maybe

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01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 2: pac Craft could get Frank get a Signetti.

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Speaker 1: I keep saying Frank Signetti whenever I mentioned Kurt. I

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01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: don't know why.

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Speaker 2: I think you should definitely go. If I would go

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Speaker 2: make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well that does it look We covered

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01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: a lot of ground on today's episode. Thank you one

1344
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: and all for your ongoing support. Please do follow along

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Speaker 1: throw some crumbs out to the free members. But of

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Speaker 1: course you get the ad free episodes, you get the

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Speaker 1: bonus content. You get to play in the games, you

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Speaker 1: get to vote in the poll, you get access to

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Speaker 1: the discord, all of that fun stuff. If you join

1352
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1353
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1354
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Speaker 2: Imagine having a direct line to Ty hilden Brandt to

1358
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 2: thank him for his hard work. And imagine having a

1359
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: direct line to me to tell me how much of

1360
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 2: a goober I am.

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Speaker 1: Imagine that possibility. All right, listen, no, you want to

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01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: join as a hater. We can't stop true, we can't

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01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: stop you.

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01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, hold on sidebar, should there be a

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01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 2: twenty dollars a month haters tier.

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01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what.

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01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 2: It's involved, Like, what would we even offer. I would

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01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 2: say for twenty dollars a month. Our tiers are five

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Speaker 2: dollars and ten dollars a month.

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01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: You know, I have to write this down.

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01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 2: Now, write it down. It's the exact same thing as

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01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 2: the premium tier, except if we are wrong about your team,

1373
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 2: you get a personalized voicemail from us apologizing. I mean,

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01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 2: we could try it twenty dollars a month haters tier.

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01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 2: We got to come up with it. We got all

1376
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 2: you need to give us. We need the credit card.

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01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 1: Hold on, if you're a hater, we need your feedback.

1378
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: We need you, We do need your feedback. But yeah,

1379
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,799
Speaker 1: all you need to give us is obviously the payment,

1380
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: which I don't see the credit card info. I never

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01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: see that. I don't want to see that. I don't

1382
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: want to see your credit card number. Yeah, but the

1383
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 1: only thing you would need to supply in that instance

1384
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: is a phone number. Yeah, that's true. We do a

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01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: phone number. Email.

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01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 2: I mean we can I can post audio private, I

1387
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 2: can send somebody a private audio file.

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01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: That's fine. Okay, we need to workshop this let us

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01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: hay here if you would join the haters tier everbowlers

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Speaker 1: dot com.

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Speaker 2: Could you imagine if I picked Oregon and I said

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01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 2: something hypothetically like I don't see a lot of players

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01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 2: on this Indiana roster who would start for Oregon, and

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01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 2: then Oregon loses at home to that Indiana team.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if the people commenting on the

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Speaker 1: Indiana and Oregon content are willing to foot a twenty

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Speaker 1: dollars haters, tier Bill, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, Tye, We're not talking about fraud haters. We're talking

1399
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 2: about tried and true to the marrow haters here that

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01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 2: are believers and practitioners of the hating game. So to them,

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01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 2: what would be more delicious and satisfying than receiving a

1402
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 2: message from Tye after picking Clemson to run away with

1403
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 2: the ACC and having Clemson lose to take your pick

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01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 2: like a Georgia Tech fan, getting a personalized message to

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01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 2: be like, you know, hey, this is ty Hilda Maran

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01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 2: from the Solid Verbal and you know what, I really

1407
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 2: flubbed it.

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Speaker 1: Man, You're basically subscribing to a hater's cameo, is what

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01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: this amounts to? Yes, all right, I'm more delicious. We

1410
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: can we can run this one up the chain, see

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01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: what management thinks.

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01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 2: But and there would have to be a minimum amount

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01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 2: of time in that message, like you'd have to go

1414
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,839
Speaker 2: on for at least ninety seconds to admitting defeat.

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01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: And I do it all the time, that's true. The

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01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 1: haters tire. You know, we covered a lot of ground

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01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: in this episode. Shout out to the haters. They have points.

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01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: Sometimes they have points all the time. Yeah, love our

1419
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 1: haters and make this what it is. And thank you

1420
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: to your support, regardless of whether you're a true believer

1421
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,520
Speaker 1: a full hater. We love you all here in the verballerhood.

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01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for giving us so much of

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01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: your time. We hope you got some entertainment out of this.

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Speaker 1: Our next episode will drop on Thursday, yes morning. Of course,

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01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 1: we will cover many more of the games that we

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01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 1: did not have a chance to discuss here on today's episode.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the aforementioned verballers dot Com is where you

1428
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Speaker 1: can go. We will keep you abreast of whether or

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Speaker 1: not we decide to go with a hater's tier. Could

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Speaker 1: be kind of fun. I would do that, by the way. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the voice messages follow along on social media wherever you

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Speaker 1: can subscribe to the newsletter. We've been doing a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun stuff with the newsletter, will continue to do that.

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Speaker 1: Big shout out to Tyler for the work he's been

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Speaker 1: doing on our Quick Slants newsletter, and of course, big

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Speaker 1: thanks to our verballers out there who have been really

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Speaker 1: good about posting our stuff, have been really good about

1438
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Speaker 1: leaving star rankings and reviews and just doing whatever they

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01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: can comments on the YouTube videos all that stuff to

1440
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 1: help push our content out. About halfway through the regular

1441
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 1: season now, the support has been really really humbling, and

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01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 1: you know, if I've said it once, I've said it

1443
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 1: a thousand times. It means the world to you and

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01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: I yes, so thank you to everybody that's listeners in

1445
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: the game. Absolutely the best. For that guy over there,

1446
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Thy Hill and Brand,

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01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: thank you all, Thank you all. We will be back

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. In the meantime, you know, the drill, stay solid. Peace,