WEBVTT - The A&G Replay Thursday Hour One

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe, Catty Armstrong and Jettie.

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<v Speaker 2>And Pee.

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<v Speaker 3>Armstrong and Caddy Strong.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome to a replay of the Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 4>We are on vacation, but boy, do we have some

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<v Speaker 4>good stuff for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, indeed we do.

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<v Speaker 2>to get podcasts. Now on with the Infotainment.

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<v Speaker 4>I got started on this jag because it's happening at

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<v Speaker 4>a local skateboard park and it reminded me of something

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<v Speaker 4>that happened to me years ago in la and I

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to tell this story again because it drives me nuts.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a great example of the conflict of visions that

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<v Speaker 4>Thomas Soyl talks about between conservatives and progressives and just

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<v Speaker 4>different ways of seeing the world and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 4>where I can't get in the mind. I can't even

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<v Speaker 4>understand the point of view of the people I'm about

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<v Speaker 4>to talk about, and they can't understand my point of view.

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<v Speaker 4>So we've got a local story here in Fulsome, California.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, that Fulsome. I heard the training come and

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<v Speaker 4>coming around the bend. I shot a guy just for

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<v Speaker 4>fun whatever. That whole thing Fullsome skateboard park where for

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of reasons, they're talking about doing away with

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<v Speaker 4>the attendants at the skateboard park. The attendant's job is to,

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<v Speaker 4>it says, stop graffiti from happening, break up fights, and

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<v Speaker 4>to make sure skateboarders have helmets and pads on wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>they skateboard? The city is saying they don't have enough

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<v Speaker 4>money for the attendant. A whole bunch of skateboarders showed

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<v Speaker 4>up to various meetings and said, nobody goes because nobody's

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<v Speaker 4>gonna wear all those pats.

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<v Speaker 3>So what's the point.

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<v Speaker 4>I just saw a video up on the TV and

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<v Speaker 4>it showed one kid in this giant, glorious looking skateboard park.

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<v Speaker 4>One kid's skateboarding, and it said on there it said

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<v Speaker 4>they've had five hundred and eighty people a month on

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<v Speaker 4>average during summertime. That's nobody's I did the math, that's

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen a day or something like that. That's nobody. You

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<v Speaker 4>should have two hundred kids a day there. I've had

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<v Speaker 4>this experience drives me nuts. When I went to Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 4>my son was super into skateboarding. One time we went,

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<v Speaker 4>we went to LA just to do like a tour

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<v Speaker 4>of skateboard parks. He'd never been to different ones, and

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<v Speaker 4>I thought, in LA's probably got a lot of great

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<v Speaker 4>skateboard parks. We'd been to the one on Venice Beach

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<v Speaker 4>and checked that out. As we traveled around, almost every

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<v Speaker 4>skateboard park we went to, which was empty on a

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<v Speaker 4>beautiful day eighty degree like it always isn't a La

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<v Speaker 4>eighty degrees, slight breeze, This beautiful sunshine, empty skateboard park

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<v Speaker 4>in the summertime, but an attendant there saying, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't skate here because you don't have the pads.

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<v Speaker 3>Because we didn't bring pads.

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<v Speaker 4>I always had him wear a helmet, but he didn't

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<v Speaker 4>have elbow pads and knee pads and all that sort

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<v Speaker 4>of stuff, so he couldn't skateboard there. And the first

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<v Speaker 4>one it was like annoying. The second one it was

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<v Speaker 4>like annoying times five. By the third one, actually, I

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<v Speaker 4>found a skateboard park that was packed full of people

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<v Speaker 4>skateboarding because they didn't have an attendant, got to skateboard

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<v Speaker 4>for a while, tried a different skateboard park, also empty,

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<v Speaker 4>with a person there with a clipboard attending it. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's when I started getting angry and lecturing people and saying, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>do you realize there's a skateboard park like a mile

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<v Speaker 4>from here that's packed full of people's skateboarding, kids baking.

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<v Speaker 4>You have nobody here, So what are you accomplishing?

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<v Speaker 5>You?

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<v Speaker 3>Why did you build a skateboard park.

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<v Speaker 4>It's empty on a gorgeous date, nobody's using it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we need to make sure kids are safe.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, first of all, you don't, but you might as

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<v Speaker 4>well not have a skatebo either have one or don't.

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<v Speaker 4>But you're not stopping kids from wrecking on their skateboard

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<v Speaker 4>because they're not skateboarding, or they're traveling further away to

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<v Speaker 4>go to some place where they don't have to wear pads.

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<v Speaker 4>And every I said this at several skateboard parks, and

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<v Speaker 4>all they did was look at me like I'm an

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<v Speaker 4>angry lunatic, partially because I was an angry lunatic.

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<v Speaker 3>But I like, I can't get in the headspace.

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<v Speaker 4>Of anybody who could be an attendant, or the parents

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<v Speaker 4>who think that's a good idea. Better to have an

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<v Speaker 4>empty skateboard park than to let our kids skin their

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<v Speaker 4>knees or elbows.

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<v Speaker 2>The paternalism probably a poor choice of words, since some

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<v Speaker 2>of these people are literally fathers, but the condescension, the

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<v Speaker 2>nannyism of it is disgusting to me. The idea that kids,

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, for the first time in human history,

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<v Speaker 2>can't within reasonable bounds a that's their own risk tolerance

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<v Speaker 2>and their own willingness to endure the negative consequences of

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<v Speaker 2>overdoing it. I mean, for the first time in human history,

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<v Speaker 2>kids must be protected from banging up their elbows and knees.

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<v Speaker 2>I do not get someone coming to that conclusion and

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<v Speaker 2>being so pleased with themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm horrified by it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm disgusted by it literally because I see what it's

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<v Speaker 2>doing the generation of kids, generations of kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do kids have so.

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<v Speaker 2>Much anxiety because they haven't been allowed in general, because

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<v Speaker 2>they haven't been allowed to develop a sense of risk

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<v Speaker 2>tolerance throughout their lives and confidence that they know.

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<v Speaker 3>What they're doing. They're veal caves. That's indisputable. It's been documented.

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<v Speaker 4>As we've talked about before, Europe has figured out that

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<v Speaker 4>they're doing away with like the super safe parts and

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<v Speaker 4>stuff like that. They're moving toward kids doing more dangerous stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>banging their heads and elbows and stuff more often. Because

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<v Speaker 4>it's good for you for all kinds of different emotional reasons.

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<v Speaker 4>But I also wonder just what it does to children.

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<v Speaker 4>I know with my kids, part of it. What it

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<v Speaker 4>does to children to see all these stupid, freaking, they

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<v Speaker 4>don't make any sense laws. I know it's made my

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<v Speaker 4>kids less respectful of all laws, is what it's done.

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<v Speaker 4>And of course it would because when you're confronted with

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<v Speaker 4>stupid ones, it makes you think everybody who makes laws

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<v Speaker 4>is stupid? So why would I pay attention to this

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<v Speaker 4>one because that one's obviously dumb.

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<v Speaker 2>If Thomas Jefferson were here, he might say, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>what are those metal things flying through this guy? But

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<v Speaker 2>he would also say, this reminds me of that discussion

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<v Speaker 2>you guys had about rent controls like twenty minutes ago.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a market of faith or respect for the law,

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<v Speaker 2>and your sons have seen more and more stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>Useless, paternalistic laws.

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<v Speaker 2>Their faith in the laws declining, they will behave politically

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that.

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<v Speaker 3>Ends that as soon as they can.

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<v Speaker 2>If indeed, you can fight the nanty state and they

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<v Speaker 2>will be beaten back by your son's disgust with a paternalism.

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<v Speaker 4>I know a woman who is super nice and very

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<v Speaker 4>helpful to me, and just like the nicest person in

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<v Speaker 4>the world, have been very helpful to me in all

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<v Speaker 4>kinds of different ways of my life. But she told

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<v Speaker 4>me the story and I kept my mouth shut about

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<v Speaker 4>how when the skateboard park in my town opened up,

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<v Speaker 4>how she and another mom they would go there on

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<v Speaker 4>the weekends and set up and monitor to make sure

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<v Speaker 4>all the kids were wearing the proper pads and helmets

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<v Speaker 4>and everything like that. And she said she kept it

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<v Speaker 4>up for a summer or two, but they just couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>keep up the schedule. I did, I just like, were

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<v Speaker 4>you a kid ever once? And maybe a few girls didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you notice the boys did bang their knees and

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<v Speaker 4>have bloody eb have s scabs on their elbows and

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<v Speaker 4>knees constantly as a child, And did you think that

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<v Speaker 4>that was.

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<v Speaker 3>Just awful, like Aschwitzer.

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<v Speaker 4>Or something like that, that they were having scabs on

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<v Speaker 4>their knees. It's like the most normal thing in the

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<v Speaker 4>world for a ten year old boy to have a

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<v Speaker 4>scab on his knee.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't hold back. I generally say something in

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<v Speaker 2>situations like that. It's probably why I have very few friends.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well I can't stop short of you're a psycho, because

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<v Speaker 4>I think you are.

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<v Speaker 3>I see that's your problem.

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<v Speaker 4>How do you not look around an empty skateboard park

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<v Speaker 4>and think, well, this is somehow self defeating If we

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<v Speaker 4>have nobody using the skateboard park, I'm not sure what

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<v Speaker 4>we're doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, right exactly? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, you gotta develop going from emotional

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<v Speaker 2>gear one to five. You got to you gotta be

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<v Speaker 2>able to settle into two and three there and make

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<v Speaker 2>the argument. You know, I respectfully disagree. I think kids

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<v Speaker 2>need to take risks and get banged up and learn

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<v Speaker 2>that it won't kill them and decide how risky they

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<v Speaker 2>want to live their life. It's great the kids get

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<v Speaker 2>banged up. Were you not a kid once? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>think kids are built differently now? Are they're like bones

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<v Speaker 2>made of glass now and they didn't used to be?

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<v Speaker 3>Every time? What is your thought process?

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<v Speaker 4>I just think it makes me insane that sort of thing,

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<v Speaker 4>I wonder why I can't let go of this stuff

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<v Speaker 4>as well as I can, Like I've had some unfortunate

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<v Speaker 4>breaks in my life that I've been able to mostly

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<v Speaker 4>let go of much better than I can let go.

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<v Speaker 3>Of this sort of thing. We're driving around all these

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<v Speaker 3>skateboard parts.

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<v Speaker 4>Finally, I was just getting Sam had been looking forward

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<v Speaker 4>to the skateboard parts so much. It was our vacation.

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<v Speaker 4>We were there and we couldn't go anywhere. So I

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<v Speaker 4>finally found I had to go to like two stores.

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<v Speaker 4>Finally found a bike store where they sold knee pads

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<v Speaker 4>and elbow pads, stuff like that, just so we could

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<v Speaker 4>go skateboard. We went to one and they said they

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<v Speaker 4>weren't the right kind of elbow pads. And I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think I've ever been angrier in my life, and I

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<v Speaker 4>just couldn't let it go. It was like my head

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<v Speaker 4>was gonna pop off. I hate that feeling where I

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<v Speaker 4>just it's a cognitive dissonance I just can't make. I

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't make the empty skate park, skateboard park, beautiful day.

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<v Speaker 4>There's nothing wrong with this, It doesn't hurt anything to

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<v Speaker 4>bang your knee. All fit into my head. It just

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<v Speaker 4>was making me crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, There is absolutely a vein of especially you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it clicked in my head when you got to that

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<v Speaker 2>example of oh yeah, he's got elbow pads, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>not the right cod right that That is absolutely the

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<v Speaker 2>intoxication of power aiding What I was going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about here, just the great CS. Lewis quote, which we've

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<v Speaker 2>used many times on the show. But of all tyrannies,

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<v Speaker 2>a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the most oppressive. It may be better to live

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<v Speaker 2>under robber barons than under omniptent, moral, busybodies. The robber

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<v Speaker 2>baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity or greed may

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<v Speaker 2>at some point be satiated. But those who torment us

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<v Speaker 2>for our own good will torment men us without end,

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<v Speaker 2>for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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<v Speaker 2>So true, I want to popular popularize the saying, maybe we.

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<v Speaker 3>Gotta get T shirts going safety.

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<v Speaker 2>Third, yeah, I and people would ask what Wait, Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't the expression safety first and the safe. Maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>back of the safety third T shirt would have one

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<v Speaker 2>courage two curiosity three safety safety third. Right, I'll bet

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not talking about handing your four year old of

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<v Speaker 2>forty five letting them squeeze off a couple of shots.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about kids riding their bike at a parking

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<v Speaker 2>playing ball.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure the one woman still tells stories about the

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<v Speaker 3>bald lunatic. Okay, because I remember walking away, have fun

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<v Speaker 3>monitoring your empty skateboard park. You're doing a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>good for the world. I was so mad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she cannot conceive of what you were trying to communicate.

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<v Speaker 3>Now she thinks that, thank god, if I hadn't been here,

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<v Speaker 3>that lunatic would have let his kids skateboard without me pads,

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<v Speaker 3>how many people would have died.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a stereotype, and it's oversimplified because there

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<v Speaker 2>are many tough, smart, great women who have helped make

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<v Speaker 2>America great. But we have gone from maybe too much

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<v Speaker 2>of a daddy society to too much.

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<v Speaker 3>Of a mommy.

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<v Speaker 2>So, without a doubt, oh, we are clutching our children

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<v Speaker 2>to our aprons and not letting them risk a single thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Good Lord, The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 1>More Jack your Joe podcasts and our hot links Jack

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Joe Getty, The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what happened in the.

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<v Speaker 5>Keys honey or oh my god, I'm sorry, I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 5>that I don't know what to say to that.

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<v Speaker 3>I apologize. Go ahead the question here. I'm sorry, I

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<v Speaker 3>been totally thrown Yeah, I can imagine. I'm a little

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<v Speaker 3>thrown by that. Also, if I'm being honest, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what to say. Well, go ahead, you've only gone

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<v Speaker 3>a minute and seven. The so the lawyer talking to

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<v Speaker 3>the judge drops off, honey, Oh my gosh. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a little thrown by that. Yeah, me too. I

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<v Speaker 3>gotta play that for my daughter. Oh that's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>She's getting ready to audition for her call law school

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<v Speaker 2>mock trial team, which is a very very good one.

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<v Speaker 2>And the idea that you would accidentally call the judge

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<v Speaker 2>honey is just.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I hear that again? Well? Just yeah, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>This could have been three separate, but it wasn't three separate.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go with what happened in the Keys.

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<v Speaker 5>The honey, Oh my God, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what to say to that. I apologize.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>You turn to the bailiff to say, let me borrow

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<v Speaker 2>your gun and just do the right thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's over. Oh that's hilargy. I'm sorry. I'm a little

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<v Speaker 3>thrown by the Yeah, me too. You gotta play that

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<v Speaker 3>for your dad, Katie, who was a judge. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and the and the honey.

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<v Speaker 4>Was like in a just kind of a half condescending yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>very much.

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<v Speaker 3>So, oh honey, come on, let them, let the men

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<v Speaker 3>handle this.

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<v Speaker 2>His only possible savior is to call his wife in

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<v Speaker 2>the court and say, your honor. We had a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a go around this morning. I was arguing with him,

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<v Speaker 2>he was arguing with me. It's probably stuck in his head.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, because that's.

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<v Speaker 3>That is pretty funny.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the fact that the fact that he can't just

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<v Speaker 4>move on, I just, oh, he's.

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<v Speaker 3>So horrified by what he's done. He's just got to say,

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<v Speaker 3>your honor.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm filing a writ of vacation and I am going

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<v Speaker 2>to become a plumber.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody else needs to take over this case. Yeah, what

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<v Speaker 3>kind of trial? It is, But like, if he's defending me,

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<v Speaker 3>i'd send him, Hey, can I get my money back?

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<v Speaker 3>Or can I get a lawyer who doesn't call the judge? Honey?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that possible?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for not calling her bitch a counselor holy cow,

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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be an assault charge next year, honor

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<v Speaker 2>give me just a saying with this guy, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Would stand up. Did everybody hear that? See that? Do

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<v Speaker 3>I deserve my money back? Show hands? I'd raise my hand, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>give him his money back. Oh that's funny. What are

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<v Speaker 3>fridge cigarettes? I like to hip you, obviously to new

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<v Speaker 3>phrases and things like that, whether they're acronyms or two

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<v Speaker 3>words blended together or whatever, you know, staycations, whatever they are.

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<v Speaker 3>What kind of summer we're supposed to have? That's right?

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<v Speaker 3>What are we having? We had this last week? Who

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<v Speaker 3>was a therapy bro summer? That's what we're having? Oh goodness,

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<v Speaker 3>too many summers and moons? Fridge cigaretts.

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<v Speaker 4>It's your pop in the refrigerator, soda in the refrigerator,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, like sitting is the new smoking.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody actually said that to me the other day and said,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe sitting is a new smoking, And I think

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<v Speaker 3>they weren't trying to be funny. I think they just act.

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<v Speaker 4>They were trying to pretend that they came up with

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<v Speaker 4>that on their own, and they were presenting it to

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<v Speaker 4>me anyway. I just let it rolls. Fridge cigarettes, you're

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<v Speaker 4>drinking soda. It's like smoking cigarettes taking years off your life.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a pretty good turn off.

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<v Speaker 3>The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 6>Why did spoke at a bipartisan event to encourage Democrats

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<v Speaker 6>or Republicans to work to protect social security together? Which

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<v Speaker 6>seems about as likely to happen as a reboot of

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<v Speaker 6>Fiddler on the Roof starring Kanye West. But social security

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<v Speaker 6>is number one for Joe Biden. Literally, his social Security

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<v Speaker 6>number is one.

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<v Speaker 4>That's kind of interesting as a lead into this Republicans

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<v Speaker 4>newark Ats not being able to work together. It would

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<v Speaker 4>seem that they could work together on cutting spending based

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<v Speaker 4>on this polling that just came out from the Cato Institute.

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<v Speaker 4>CATO is a serious think tank. It's a conservative think tank.

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<v Speaker 4>They worked with you GOV on this survey and it's

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<v Speaker 4>one of your really big, large number of people, wide

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<v Speaker 4>reaching lots of questions sort of survey that comes out

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<v Speaker 4>every once in a while from these think tanks. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know which of these numbers is my favorite. There's

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of them that are just mind blowingly make

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<v Speaker 4>me happy, But I can't believe because public will is

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<v Speaker 4>a real big part of getting anything done in a democracy.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, if you got big.

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<v Speaker 4>Majorities of people that want something to happen, you should

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<v Speaker 4>be able to get it to happen and run on it.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's my favorite of all the spending we've done in

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<v Speaker 4>the last ten years, and we've done a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>spending in the last ten years.

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<v Speaker 3>Eighty five percent. Now that's a big number.

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<v Speaker 4>Whenever you get eighty five percent of people in agreement

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<v Speaker 4>on something, you'd think you could get.

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<v Speaker 3>Political will to do something.

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<v Speaker 4>Eighty five percent say that spending is either not helped

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<v Speaker 4>them or made their lives worse.

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<v Speaker 3>Eighty five percent. That's astounding.

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<v Speaker 4>You wouldn't get that from taking it in through the

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<v Speaker 4>mainstream media, who feels like all government programs are wonderful

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<v Speaker 4>and doges trying to cut back on any of them

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<v Speaker 4>as a horror. Eighty five percent of Americans say all

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<v Speaker 4>that spending has either not done anything for me or

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<v Speaker 4>actually made my life worth the worse forty two percent

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<v Speaker 4>no impact, forty three percent say it reduced to their

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<v Speaker 4>quality of life.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's got to be inflation, which is the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>teacher of economic principles in the history of mankind.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, ors, just I regularly say, and this is true

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<v Speaker 4>for me in my own personal life. I believe the

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<v Speaker 4>government stops me from doing things more than it helps me.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, yeah, I think so. I mean, And well, do

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<v Speaker 3>you drive on the roads? Yeah? We we know you're

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<v Speaker 3>an idiot. Courses. I'm not even gonna explain why you're mora.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, moron.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, this is a non partisan observation.

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<v Speaker 4>Eight and ten Democrats and nine and ten Republicans believe

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<v Speaker 4>that the increase in federal spending has either made their

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<v Speaker 4>lives not better or worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy, this is really heartening, I know, if the Republican

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<v Speaker 2>If the Republicans can keep between the ditches and not

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<v Speaker 2>roll the car of their messaging over, it seems to

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<v Speaker 2>me like the ground is super fertile for some good,

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<v Speaker 2>solid conservatism in the years to come.

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<v Speaker 4>Three quarters of Americans say the government spends too much.

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<v Speaker 4>Love that seventy six percent the government spends too much.

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<v Speaker 4>And again it's not a partisan thing at all. Majorities

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<v Speaker 4>of Democrats fifty nine percent of Democrats think the government

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<v Speaker 4>spends too much money.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you'd never get that from the main from your

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<v Speaker 3>mainstream media coverage.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the question of what do you cut and

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<v Speaker 2>how and how much?

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<v Speaker 3>That's the devil is in the details. But we do

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<v Speaker 3>have an enormous.

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<v Speaker 2>Generalized agreement that, yeah, we need to cut again two thirds.

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<v Speaker 2>You get the opposite message from all of the coverage

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<v Speaker 2>of doges, for instance.

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<v Speaker 4>So almost everyone agrees there is waste frauden abuse in

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<v Speaker 4>the federal government. The number is ninety eight percent. I

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<v Speaker 4>have out know if I've ever seen a poll that

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<v Speaker 4>reached ninety eight percent. Usually you have more than two percent.

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<v Speaker 4>They're like, no opinion, I don't know, refuse to answer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but would you like me to stab you right now?

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<v Speaker 4>You might get ninety eight percent saying no, no opinion,

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<v Speaker 4>ninety I'm not sure stab me as what. Ninety eight

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<v Speaker 4>percent broadly agreed there is waste frauder abuse in the

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<v Speaker 4>federal government.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, just to say no, you'd be a crazy person.

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<v Speaker 4>About half say there is a great deal, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>than twenty percent a moderate amount.

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<v Speaker 2>If hundreds of millions of dollars isn't a great deal

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<v Speaker 2>to you, what are you elon Musk or something?

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<v Speaker 3>Man?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like I said, there's so many good numbers here,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even know which ones to pick out the

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<v Speaker 4>most this one. One of the reasons this got attention

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<v Speaker 4>was some of the tax stuff yesterday. Fifty five percent

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<v Speaker 4>of Americans think their taxes are too high.

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<v Speaker 2>Which I thought was really interesting, especially especially given what

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about yesterday on Tax Day that the

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<v Speaker 2>top forty percent or so of income levels pay all

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<v Speaker 2>of the income tax.

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<v Speaker 4>But fifty five percent of American seature taxes are too high.

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<v Speaker 4>Fifty five percent same number believe they pay more than

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<v Speaker 4>their fair share in taxes. That obviously is interesting given

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that half the country does not pay federal

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<v Speaker 4>taxes federal income tax.

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<v Speaker 2>Although you have to remember, you know, a property tax

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<v Speaker 2>hammers a lot of people, sales tax.

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<v Speaker 3>Sales tax.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's probably what gets a lot of people sure.

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<v Speaker 4>How about the controversial Trump tax cuts from twenty seventeen

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<v Speaker 4>and whether they should be extended or not. According to this,

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<v Speaker 4>eighty five percent of Americans support extending the twenty seventeen

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<v Speaker 4>tax cuts.

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<v Speaker 3>Eighty five percent. It's a gift of million airs and

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<v Speaker 3>billion ass. How is this a controversial issue?

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<v Speaker 2>If the mainstream media was not what they are, could

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats win a single election as they're currently constituted.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>They need some of the best wordsmiths. Well, actually most

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<v Speaker 2>journalists are wordsmiths at all. They're parrots. But they need

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<v Speaker 2>the power of the media colossus to polish their their

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<v Speaker 2>poop if you will. I'm sorry, I just didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to use that common expression polishing a turd because it's disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's said. But it's good though. It's illustrative, Jack,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it really makes the point there's got to

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<v Speaker 2>be a better doing.

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<v Speaker 3>There's got to be a better one, is there? It

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<v Speaker 3>got to be that doesn't include the T word.

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<v Speaker 2>Thoroughly lipsticking the pig of their policies.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>So three quarters of people agree with the statement the

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<v Speaker 4>twenty seventeen tax cuts should be made permanent because businesses

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<v Speaker 4>and families need stability of the tax code to plan

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<v Speaker 4>for the future.

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<v Speaker 3>Three quarters agree with that.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, three quarters agree that tax cuts should be made permanent.

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<v Speaker 3>Because taxes are too high.

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<v Speaker 4>Three quarters of Americans think the Trump tax cuts should

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<v Speaker 4>be made permanent because taxes are too high.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, did you hear the pot about the millionaires?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>You did? Oh you're rejecting it. I gotta get to that.

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<v Speaker 4>Then, since you brought that up, do the spending, because

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<v Speaker 4>you'll that fits in perfect what you just said. A

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<v Speaker 4>majority of Americans admire the rich. Sixty two thirds disagree

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<v Speaker 4>with the statement wealth should be taken from the rich

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<v Speaker 4>and given to the poor.

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<v Speaker 3>Two thirds of Americans disagree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, this is a different country than the media would

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<v Speaker 2>have you believe.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd zastly different.

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<v Speaker 4>Three out of five Americans strongly agree ninety percent strongly

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<v Speaker 4>or somewhat agree that quote. There's nothing wrong with trying

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<v Speaker 4>to make as much money as you can. Ninety percent

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<v Speaker 4>strongly or somewhat agree with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>When asked specifically about billionaires, seventy one percent disagree that

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<v Speaker 4>it's immoral for society to allow people to become billionaires.

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<v Speaker 4>Seventy one percent don't agree with that statement. You hear

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<v Speaker 4>it all the time from the AOC Bernie crowd, Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 4>Warren crowd, and they put it on the news like

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<v Speaker 4>that's you know, representing half.

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<v Speaker 2>Of America, right right, Yeah, And anybody who does think

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<v Speaker 2>we should make it impossible to you know, become a billionaire, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Just you're so dumb. You are so dumb. We just

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<v Speaker 3>need you to get out of the way, please.

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<v Speaker 2>As if you come up with a great idea that

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<v Speaker 2>one person likes and it makes you a dollar, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>If a million people like that idea and give you

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<v Speaker 2>a dollar, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>But if a billion people like that idea and give

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<v Speaker 3>you a dollar, that's wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>Or to borrow again, you're just so dumb you need

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<v Speaker 4>to get out of the way. Well, not near as

0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:25.280
<v Speaker 4>many people agree with that as I thought. And I've

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<v Speaker 4>been misled myself. And you know, we're in the industry

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<v Speaker 4>and taking lots of media and read lots of polls,

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<v Speaker 4>but I've been misled to think there that in modern

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<v Speaker 4>America there were way more people that hate the rich

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<v Speaker 4>and think something's wrong there that it seems to be

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<v Speaker 4>true two thirds think wealth should not be taken from

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<v Speaker 4>the rich and given to the poor.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, I just didn't know. So.

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<v Speaker 2>I think part of the reason that our perception might

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<v Speaker 2>be a little warped is that even Some of my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite conservative journalists are of the coastal elites forty and

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<v Speaker 2>they're nice fellas, and they have great principles, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think they know America and listen to say absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>do not. This is going to sound awfully like a

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<v Speaker 2>self backpadding, but I think as a couple of guys

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<v Speaker 2>from you know, fairly average families in the Midwest, I

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:20.880
<v Speaker 2>don't feel like an elite anything. I've never hung out

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.440
<v Speaker 2>with those people. I wouldn't be comfortable there. I would

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<v Speaker 2>much rather, you know, a drink beer with my neighbor,

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<v Speaker 2>Larry the truck driver. I just and I think maybe

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:32.640
<v Speaker 2>we have that advantage, and we, all of us friends,

0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 2>have to trust our own perceptions instead of that of

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<v Speaker 2>the bizarro funhouse.

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<v Speaker 3>Mirror of the media.

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<v Speaker 4>I know a lot of you already believe that the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that eighty five percent of people say all that

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:47.600
<v Speaker 4>government spending has done nothing for them or made their

0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:53.240
<v Speaker 4>lives worse is amazing something. Yeah, and you know over

0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 4>half of people say my taxes are too high. All

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.240
<v Speaker 4>that fitting together, how do we not get a government

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<v Speaker 4>that spends less and keeps taxes low?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think you know, part of the answer would

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<v Speaker 2>be the swamp, which includes many Republicans and Democrats who

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<v Speaker 2>have a absolutely enormous financial interest in keeping government huge.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, there are solid majorities, and I could do more

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 4>of than numbers, but I don't want to bore you

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<v Speaker 4>to death. But the solid majorities of people that think

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<v Speaker 4>it's the spending it's not the taxing. I mean that

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<v Speaker 4>is that is a settled issue in this country. It's

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<v Speaker 4>the spending, not the taxing, and we need to deal

0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:33.440
<v Speaker 4>with it from a spending standpoint. So we're not getting

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<v Speaker 4>the government we deserve on this front.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so true. It's encouraging people believe that in

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers that they do. It is discouraging that we

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>are fighting to make any.

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:48.800
<v Speaker 3>Progress in reigning in the insanity.

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 2>But right, yeah, because it's our duty is citizens, So

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we keep trying.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes it's barely, uh, you're barely able to believe that

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<v Speaker 4>democracy works. I mean, you know, look at the order issue.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I've been saying for years. It's not controversy

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<v Speaker 4>at all either, Like people want to secure border, but

0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:08.480
<v Speaker 4>we haven't been able to do it in my entire

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<v Speaker 4>adult lifetime, right, right, very frustrating. Yeah, yeah, it is

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:16.800
<v Speaker 4>nice job of those of you out there who agree

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<v Speaker 4>that all this spending has made your life worse of anything.

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<v Speaker 3>That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong see Armstrong and Getty show.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely need a moonshot style effort to reform education in

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<v Speaker 2>this country because it is absolutely killing us. Michael, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a campus madness update, good and bad news editions, good

0:29:50.480 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 2>and bad news, screaming, how's madness, you idiot, I'm campus.

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, that's quite discream Yeah, no kidding.

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 4>So disembovement figures into the story somehow, so well metaphorically speaking.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll start with some good news, really interesting piece

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<v Speaker 2>about Tufts University, which is to the left of Trotsky

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Boston area. But there's a professor by the name of

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<v Speaker 2>Hirsch there who teaches a class on American Conservatism that

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<v Speaker 2>is always one hundred percent enrolled and extremely popular, and

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:32.560
<v Speaker 2>he a man of the sane center left, has them

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<v Speaker 2>read Frederick Hayek's Road to Serve them at Ininran's The

0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Nature of Government, and then has lefty writers assigned as well.

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<v Speaker 3>That says, all right, let's talk about this issue.

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<v Speaker 2>And it is a classic American education where you have

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<v Speaker 2>to understand both sides before you say which one you're on,

0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:55.240
<v Speaker 2>and he is systematically steel manning conservative arguments for the

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:58.760
<v Speaker 2>college kids. And the really encouraging part about this is

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 2>the kids love it. That's interesting, and poll after pol

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 2>has shown that a lot of college kids resent the

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 2>cancel culture and the bully culture and the radical culture.

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 2>But they just they're afraid or you know, intimidated into silence.

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 2>And there's a lot more curiosity out there than I

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<v Speaker 2>think you would think from looking at college camp.

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<v Speaker 3>God, are we.

0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 4>Actually coming out of peak that? And we'll never have

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<v Speaker 4>to deal with it again, at least in our lifetimes.

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 4>I mean, did we just live through the pendulum swinging

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<v Speaker 4>to the far end of that nuttiness?

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<v Speaker 3>I share hope. So I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a little afraid of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Being like a sports team that you know, has a

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<v Speaker 2>very bad beginning of the season, then they win six

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 2>in a row and you think, all right, and then

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<v Speaker 2>that is just a blip and they go back to

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 2>being bad. I think there's so much of a fight

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<v Speaker 2>to go on, But let me plunge on here.

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<v Speaker 3>We can talk about this at length.

0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:01.800
<v Speaker 2>A great piece in the Free Press about how all

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<v Speaker 2>over the country including in some surprising places, educators are

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 2>covering up for their own failures wholesale. We should have

0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 2>the best education system in the world, they write, We

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 2>should have an education system that reflects us being a superpower.

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 2>But there's no one with a straight face who can

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 2>say that the United States has a world class education system.

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 2>And that's from a higher up in the New Jersey

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Department of Education, now retired. But they go through place

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<v Speaker 2>after place where because they are failing to meet any standard,

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 2>they are systematically changing the standards, including this shock to me.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty four, Oklahoma schools seemed to perform a miracle.

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<v Speaker 2>They went from twenty four percent proficiency in reading to

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<v Speaker 2>forty seven percent in two years.

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<v Speaker 3>You set number, doubling the previous figure. You see that

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<v Speaker 3>number in a year. You know something funky happen?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, indeed, if it sounds too good to be true,

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 2>that's because it was. In last year Oklahoma lowered its

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<v Speaker 2>cut scores score a student needs to hit on a

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<v Speaker 2>test to be considered proficient.

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<v Speaker 3>Unbelievable, that's good hearts law. Oh yeah. Once once a

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 3>measure becomes a goal, it ceases to be a good measure. Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Trend is also happening in New York State. After not

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 2>a single eighth grader in the upstate city of Schenectady

0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 2>tested proficient in math in twenty twenty two, state officials

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 2>lowered the scores the following year, Wisconsin lowered cut scores

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:29.480
<v Speaker 2>last year. Illinois is about to lower its scores, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera.

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 1>We did it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a lot of blue states, but Oklahoma shocked me.

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<v Speaker 4>And we've done it in California a couple of times. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>it speaks as much to the nature of bureaucracy as liberalism. Well,

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 4>it's a good hearts law. I mean that seems to

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<v Speaker 4>be a law no matter what you, no matter your politics,

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 4>you come up with a goal, or you measure something.

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 4>Then you come up with a goal, and then you

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<v Speaker 4>just fudge to meet the goal, and so the measure

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't work anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's it happens over and over again.

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<v Speaker 4>I can come up with one hundred examples off the

0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 4>top of my head, because I think it's a fascinating

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 4>aspect of the way the human brain works. But how

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:09.319
<v Speaker 4>are there not people raise their hands saying, we can't

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<v Speaker 4>be lowering the standards. We need to raise the quality

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 4>shield tradition.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right right, lift up the children, don't drop the standards.

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:18.800
<v Speaker 3>That'd be a good slogan.

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<v Speaker 2>Veering back to good news, the Department of Education on Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>Cancer which still exists, apparently canceled fifteen million dollars in

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<v Speaker 2>federal grants that were used to fund diversity programs at

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<v Speaker 2>three universities in California, State, La, Virginia Commonwealth, and University

0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 2>of Saint Thomas and Minnesota. All had received giant, multimillion

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 2>dollar grants, part of a billion dollars a billion that

0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:46.760
<v Speaker 2>the Biden Education Department spent on diversity programs in America's schools,

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:50.280
<v Speaker 2>nearly half of which went to grants for race based hiring.

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<v Speaker 2>That is, at least temporarily on the way out. Now

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<v Speaker 2>back to bad news. Two stories here that are adjoined

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<v Speaker 2>at the Hip Brown University Medical School that's one.

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<v Speaker 3>Of your elite IVY leaguers. By the way, elite.

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<v Speaker 2>I almost vomit when I say that about these universities.

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<v Speaker 2>But they now give diversity, equity and inclusion more weight

0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:15.719
<v Speaker 2>than excellent clinical skills in its promotion criteria for faculty

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:20.200
<v Speaker 2>raising questions. Duh about the equality of teaching and patient

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 2>care at the elite medical school and underscoring how deeply

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 2>deis penetrated medical education. Again, when they decide what faculty

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:31.800
<v Speaker 2>to promote, they now give DEI more weight than excellent

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 2>clinical skills.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw that over the week in medicine. I meant

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<v Speaker 3>to mention on the air that is absolutely amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>I was looking at the actual paperwork, the criteria, and

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<v Speaker 4>really your plan for how you're answering the question of

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:51.720
<v Speaker 4>how you're going to get diversity, equity and inclusion into your.

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 3>Your medical practice is.

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<v Speaker 4>More important than your actual skills, right, That is how

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<v Speaker 4>it's important.

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<v Speaker 3>How is that even possible?

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<v Speaker 1>The Armstrong and Getty Show, Yeah, Borjack or Joe podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>and our hotlinks and Armstrong and get dot com