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Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast is about that action boss.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Around the League Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Michael Robinson. I'm joined by room field Heroes.

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Speaker 1: Wait to say on in a second, that's my line.

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Speaker 1: That is Michael Robinson of the Seattle Seahawks and Mark

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Speaker 1: Sessler is with me. Right now. We have a special

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Speaker 1: edition of the podcast. We got Greg Rosenthal, Chris Westling

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Speaker 1: behind the glass, got Brandon Mebane and Red Brian in

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Speaker 1: studio with the real rob Wow, what a combination. You

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Speaker 1: put you on your heels. That was. Did I have

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Speaker 1: enough energy? I'm trying to get my energy? You know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. I often when we do the podcast,

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Speaker 1: I say to the guys, we've got to get the

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Speaker 1: energy up. Not needed, man, you know, man, as long

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Speaker 1: as the air conditions pump pumped up. Man, you know

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Speaker 1: it was a little warm. Played football, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. We played football, man, We sweat and I

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Speaker 1: see big over there. You know we already got a

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Speaker 1: couple of towns. We can't promise about the conditions. I'm sorry, Well,

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Speaker 1: you guys are real man. But because before we you

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Speaker 1: guys came up to the studio, we dropped by the

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Speaker 1: dressing room to run by the show, and then we

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Speaker 1: were talking to Michael and then the other guys rolled in.

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Speaker 1: It just so much testoster and get out there to

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Speaker 1: get out of there. Man, he's my boys. I ain't

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Speaker 1: seen him since we won the Super Bowl. Man didn't

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl parade, since the parade red. Man, you're

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Speaker 1: a super Bowl champ. You know what I'm saying. It ain't, man,

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Speaker 1: I tell you what, though it ain't. It's a real

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Speaker 1: but winning the super Bowl I didn't. I really didn't

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Speaker 1: know it was gonna mean as much to other people

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Speaker 1: as it used to mean. And you really can see that,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you're around in the city. I was

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Speaker 1: able to take my wife. Has been a while since

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Speaker 1: I've been able to take her to dinner. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: took it to the mid you know, Min's one nicest

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Speaker 1: rich running to see all that. That's the Metro pol

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Speaker 1: didn't know some free advertisement right there, the Red Bryant Man.

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Speaker 1: The hospitality was when I tell you it's it felt

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Speaker 1: their business to stop by and and just let us

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Speaker 1: know the pride that they had. And the food was unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: We was getting lobster till champion, you know, talking back, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I said, I can get used to ban look talking

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Speaker 1: about how how's the super Bowl changed your life? Man?

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Speaker 1: Oh man? Uh foo boy? Pretty much everywhere we go

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Speaker 1: now everywhere I go, you know, people you know notice

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Speaker 1: you and uh when autograph and picture. Man, it's it's exciting, man,

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Speaker 1: to see how how on fire the city is. Man,

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Speaker 1: It's just I don't think. I don't think it calmed

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Speaker 1: down yet. Man, man flags, man on windows, people painting

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Speaker 1: their homes, twelve everything. Man, it's it's unreal. One thing

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Speaker 1: that Pete Carrol said. And I was lucky enough. We

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Speaker 1: were down in the locker room after you guys won,

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Speaker 1: and then we you know, you watched the parade afterwards.

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Speaker 1: And Cal says it all the time. He says, it's

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Speaker 1: a real thing. The Twelfth Man is a real thing.

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Speaker 1: This is not a media exaggeration, like the city is

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Speaker 1: actually on fire for the Seahawks. No. I think they

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Speaker 1: said it was like one point two million people showed

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Speaker 1: up for that parade. I couldn't believe it. We couldn't

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Speaker 1: even walk through the streets. Man. It was it was unbelievable. Man,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and then the defense had such a dominant performance. Man,

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Speaker 1: talk about that. You play on offenseive special teams. You know,

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Speaker 1: they don't talk about us much. But the defense man,

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Speaker 1: y'all boys was ball. And then what happened? How did

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Speaker 1: you do? Peyton man like that? Huh? Come on, Matt,

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Speaker 1: tell me some secrets. Man, tell me some I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: tell you a secret. When your offensh plays like I'll

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Speaker 1: was played and our special team played like our special

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Speaker 1: team play, it makes a performance like that happened. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it really did. It took r side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: Irrigal on that team understood that whatever it was he

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Speaker 1: me it was a pride moment because it really showed

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Speaker 1: other because we knew going out there. Peyton Manning, I

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Speaker 1: It just that meant more to me than anything else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah to follow up or whatever it is, I do

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Speaker 1: have to say, because just like registered, everyone is giving

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Speaker 1: that after this game you guys blew him out, it

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Speaker 1: was going to turn into his ante Peyton Manning and

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Speaker 1: the credit for just delivering us an outrageous performance on

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Speaker 1: for me, I don't know if you guys remember that

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Speaker 1: Friday before our last that friday our last practice before

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl. After practice, I was yelling through the facility, Man,

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Speaker 1: all you have to do is look at the film. People.

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Speaker 1: I get the question all the time. You know, when

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Speaker 1: did you know that you guys, When did you feel

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Speaker 1: like you guys gonna win? You know, Mike be said yesterday, said, man,

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Speaker 1: what about two minutes left in the game? Whatever? Whatever?

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Speaker 1: What too many is left in the game. It was

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Speaker 1: it was losing by forty points. You understand what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: watched the film. You can have a scout team. I

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Speaker 1: don't care, but there you can't replicate Brandon me Man,

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Speaker 1: you can't replicate Red Bryant. You can't replicate them dolls

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Speaker 1: coming off the edge. You can't replicate our offense, beast

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Speaker 1: more running the ball. You just can't do that and practice.

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Speaker 1: embedded with your team, by the way, very familiar face,

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Speaker 1: because you know, stranger. It's like a bond in this

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Speaker 1: I remember I remember asking you, Michael to pick out

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Speaker 1: you as leaders get the team? Galfan, I'm ready for

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Speaker 1: what was ahead on that Sunday? How did you do it? Real? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they put me on the spot right now. But then, uh,

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Speaker 1: him all the time he came in, is uh anybody

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Speaker 1: and uh, he used to take time to keep me encouraged.

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Speaker 1: to keep that pot warner thread. This this keeping us together,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking. I think we can really get

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Speaker 1: some headlines, all right. We'll start with Richie Incognito. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, you guys have been busy at the NFL

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Speaker 1: Network studios today, but he heard of this guy. Yeah

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Speaker 1: right now, you're a dude. Just be quiet, Okay, Okay.

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Speaker 1: He's gone off on Twitter, um, including one tweet that reads,

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Speaker 1: The truth is going to bury you in your entire camp. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: don't think it's bullying, you know. I think it originally

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've had the incognitos on my teams. I've

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Speaker 1: and openly game, but he's also a rookie. So rookies

425
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Speaker 1: getting you know, they get get it tough anyway. And

426
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Speaker 1: then on top of that, you know, it's just a

427
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: team has to deal with so many things, you know

428
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: what I mean from you know, how guys talk in

429
00:23:54,000 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 1: the locker room, I think exactly is uh, you know,

430
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: him being a rookie, you know, ouside his private life

431
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: is hopefully have an older guy in this group that

432
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: can teach them how to be professional and you know,

433
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: to teach them how to you know, what to do

434
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 1: prepare for a game and and uh, you know, how

435
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: to break down film and what to look for and

436
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: things like that. So you know, he asked those things

437
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: he gotta deal with, and then he he gonna has

438
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: to deal with, you know, things that off the field issues.

439
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: You know that the meeting. But my question to you

440
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Speaker 1: is it isn't going to even be hard for him

441
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: to even get that bond with the older guy. It's

442
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: just because you know, perception, and our line of business,

443
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 1: perception is reality. If a guy sees you hanging with

444
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: a guy like that, I mean, I don't know how

445
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Speaker 1: you just don't know. It's different. I feel like this.

446
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Speaker 1: I feel like and the way society, the way society moving,

447
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, me being from Texas, the Bible bill uh

448
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: and and and my upbringing and things of that nature.

449
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: Getting to the point where you can actually respect other people,

450
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Speaker 1: difference respect other people, you know, train the thoughts in

451
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: terms of how they feel and how they go about

452
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: their business. I just feel like when you get diving

453
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Speaker 1: in a person private life, that's to me is like

454
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: you crossing the line, you know what I mean. I

455
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Speaker 1: just for pel football player, what I've been able to

456
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: see from the clips and things of that nature, he

457
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Speaker 1: can play full possible And I feel like, at the

458
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: end of the day, that's all that matters. You know, Now,

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Speaker 1: if he was a politician or in public life where

460
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Speaker 1: tax fields, you know, paying this salary. I don't understand

461
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: that because that's that's that world. But as as an athlete,

462
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Speaker 1: you know, this is just my person opinion. I feel

463
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Speaker 1: like you your validation come from what you do on

464
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: their football field, you know, and and and in terms

465
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Speaker 1: of how you get back to your community or how

466
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Speaker 1: you want to be looked at to each of his

467
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Speaker 1: own and I just you know, when it comes to

468
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Speaker 1: your sexuality and things, when you come to that locker room,

469
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Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable talking about somebody else personal life

470
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Speaker 1: or even uh pushing my beliefs on their personal live.

471
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Speaker 1: But when a person asking you a question, you never know,

472
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Speaker 1: you know, you know if you ain't. I'm twenty nine

473
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Speaker 1: at twenty two, I can't. I couldn't have made no

474
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Speaker 1: raption the thought or thought it out or being able

475
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Speaker 1: to the way I process things now I don't process.

476
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Speaker 1: I didn't process that two And this is what we're

477
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Speaker 1: dealing with, you know what I mean? Like it's I'm

478
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Speaker 1: glad his team makes shield riches and who's a young

479
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: and a prime defensive linement is league saying what he

480
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Speaker 1: had to say, But everybody's not gonna be like shot,

481
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Speaker 1: you know. And that's the thing. Everybody is not going

482
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Speaker 1: to be supportive of supportive of it. And my my issue,

483
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: not my issue, but my point is you can't you can't, uh,

484
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Speaker 1: you can't persecute those people who just don't agree with

485
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Speaker 1: the lifestyle, you know what I mean. Just like he

486
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: has an opinion to be along that lifestyle, other people

487
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: have an opinion to just to not agree with it.

488
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: Not saying that they're gonna do anything or whatever, but

489
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Speaker 1: just as just a difference of agreement. And I just

490
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: think that in today's world, if you if you don't

491
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: believe that or you don't agree with that lifestyle, you

492
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: you almost looked at as the villain in the public life.

493
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: When it's just like I'm not saying have hate crimes

494
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Speaker 1: against him anything, but just don't agree with it. Right.

495
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: It's not something that you can just say all of

496
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Speaker 1: society suddenly feels one way about this. It's not the case.

497
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Speaker 1: But you know, spending a week, um reporting on you

498
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: guys during the super when we were a lot of

499
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: time off the field together, very valuable time, um, But

500
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: I took away from the Seahawks that you guys really,

501
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: like you said, your friends, you're unified, and there's other

502
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: teams in various amounts of chaos during the year. You

503
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: don't get that sense with the Seahawks. Do you look

504
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: at your own locker room and say, we'd be all

505
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: right with Michael Sam come into our team. I mean,

506
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Speaker 1: I'm all for that. I mean, you just it's hard

507
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Speaker 1: to say. I don't think, no, I don't think nobody

508
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: really be like, you know, I don't like him, I

509
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: hate him, just out just in the open. But it'll

510
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: be it'd be hard to just just automatically be like, oh, hey,

511
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: come on, you just just hang with us and things

512
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: like that. You know, you want to you know, understand

513
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: and not the person before you know, uh, you know,

514
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: you develop a relationship. Sometimes it takes a while to

515
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: develop relationships with guys on the team. Um, you know,

516
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: because guys is a lot of guys in locker room

517
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: think different already, and so you know, it's a lot

518
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Speaker 1: of guys in the locker room that's just just different,

519
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, and just they just think different. And you

520
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: know that's okay. You know, everybody has their own right

521
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: to think the way they even think. But I think

522
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Speaker 1: in this situation, Um, a lot of guys is gonna

523
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: be like, I don't know, man, because I don't want

524
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: to be caught, you know, on Instagram or Twitter being

525
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: seeing with him and on public and you know people

526
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, and then you must be like

527
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: that too, And you know a lot of guys don't

528
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: really want that on that that stigma. And I could

529
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: give you an example like cliff Favor. He came from Detroit,

530
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: and he used by us being able over time, being

531
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Speaker 1: able to build a relationship. He was telling us how

532
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Speaker 1: how different how uh D line room is compray to days,

533
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: like were full of jokes, we're bagging on each other.

534
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: And so if Michael Sale was on our team, like

535
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Speaker 1: I got a rose list of humor, but I think

536
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: I would be cautious, like I don't know if I

537
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: the reason we got a bunting thing because they really

538
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: get to see how authentic I am as a person.

539
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could be full of authentic

540
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: because I'd be nervous if I'll say something that feeling

541
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: him or if I say something to uh where. It's

542
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: like with Clifford Mike be in it and and Clinton

543
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: mcdonne and told man, there's no old boys, you know,

544
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: like some of the things we say. And if that

545
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: got out there, you know, I probably proceed different than

546
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: what I'm perceiving, you know. And I understand that. And

547
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: so if he was on my team, I'm gonna respect

548
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: me with my teammate. I'm gonna play. I'm gonna go

549
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: to work with you. But I couldn't see here and

550
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: tell you did. I will say what I say to

551
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: clean you. I don't know if I say that to you,

552
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: you know. Um, all right, gentlemen, I'm being told that

553
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: you have to exit, which is sad because I feel

554
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: like there's a bond developing now. I feel like I'm

555
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: part of it too. You got you got cold in

556
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: Brandon me Red, Brian Michael Robinson, the Super Bowl champion,

557
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks, the Stitcher Award, winning a t L podcast

558
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: together as one. Thanks a lot, guys. I gotta I

559
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: gotta coming out soon. You do get that out alright?

560
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: Party on this podcas Aren't you happy that we haven't

561
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: asked you to dance? It's probably I'm telling you it's

562
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: coming up on Total X. That man play. They can

563
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: play the tape. They can play the tape all day

564
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: many they want you to put on it, but this

565
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: is your safe space if you're get in trouble. Run

566
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: up to the podcast, Mama said, I can't dance on TV. Mama,

567
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: let him do it. Let him do it one time. WHOA.

568
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 1: Al right, gentlemen, thank you very much for al right,

569
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Speaker 1: Out go the Seahawks and into Studio sixty six Chris

570
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: Westling and Greg Rosenthal. Greg actually sitting in Red Brian's chair.

571
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: My perspective is totally different than it was. The big

572
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: shoes to fill literally and figuratively, and clothes and everything

573
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: in general. There was a lot I loved about watching that,

574
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: But Brandon me being battling this chair for thirty year,

575
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: So that's why of him. It is way down to

576
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: the ground now. He was trying to get comfortable. He's

577
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: trying to make it work, and he put a swim

578
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: move on the chair. He was. He was moving the

579
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: entire time. Red Bryant, that guy has some insight, doesn't he.

580
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: I think when we go back and listen to the podcast,

581
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: we're going to find out that he was the most

582
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: interesting one of the of the trio. You know, he

583
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: kind of has that Texas draw it might be a

584
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: little tougher to understand him, but I thought he was

585
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: extremely insightful. I thought they were very honest. I mean,

586
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: didn't shy away from any question. That kind of gave

587
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: us a look that we couldn't formulate on our own. No,

588
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: I would say, you're probably accurate about that. You're saying

589
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: they have a better perspective on the NFL locker room that.

590
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: I think that's fact, and I just present facts. The

591
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, you're gonna tell us you have

592
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: to be a quarterback to pile up passing statistics. I like, uh,

593
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: I like how Mike Rob I'm calling him that now

594
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: to it? He just got rob Mike Rob. He just

595
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: well that's what they were calling him, was Mike Rob.

596
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: So we're in. You have to call now, you have

597
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: to call me Bain, Bain Bain. I like that. He

598
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: just took control and you know, he was just directing questions.

599
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: He's directing the flow. Sometimes you just gotta let go

600
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: and let it happen, you know. Um, all right, what

601
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: do we want to talk about before we go? I

602
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: want to talk about Mars Brown's I want to hear, actually,

603
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: I want to hear Mark talk about Marks Browns because

604
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: we haven't had a podcast since Joe Banner and Michael

605
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: Lombardi left the scene. I will say before we give

606
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: the floor to Mark, it was kind of interesting after

607
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: some reports came out late Tuesday. What do we learned

608
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: late Tuesday? We learned that we didn't want it out.

609
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: We learned a lot of, you know, information about which

610
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: coaches they talked to. And Mark Sesler took to Twitter

611
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: and was twe tweeting like a maniac. It was. I

612
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: was picturing him in front of his computer at home,

613
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: just you know, trying to process this information, get it

614
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: out to the people. Now, Mark, we will give you

615
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: even a bit. I was watching Total Access for like

616
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: three minutes and setting like three tweets up, furiously typing,

617
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go find out why you tweeted I missed this.

618
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: I missed it. He was tweeted out what Michael silver

619
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: He was sending the information out to the people, And

620
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: I was just imagining Mark at his computer at home,

621
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: his children tugging at his pants, dance like baffled by

622
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: anyone that isn't like home, watching vampire movies whenever he's

623
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: not in the office, Like I happened. I don't know whatever.

624
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: It is a story that won't end though. Not only

625
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: did the CEO of the team get canned, well he's

626
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: going to be there for a couple more months, but

627
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: basically he got fired and Michael Lombardi, the GM got fired.

628
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: But then we find out we didn't want out, and

629
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Speaker 1: they talked to Bill Parcels and they promoted Farmer of course,

630
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: and they Manning somehow potentially involved. Someone thinks that Peyton

631
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: Manning could be a CEO. There riffed between Banner and

632
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 1: has them was partly about Banners football acumen because Banner

633
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: didn't want them interviewing Hiano and they did it just

634
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: wis and Hunt was insulted by Banner during the inter way.

635
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: We still have a given Mark the floor, but I

636
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: want to say that in real time, Greg on his

637
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: phone try to search for Mark Sessler NFL and he

638
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: tweeted Mark Sessler NFL. Any kind of like that is?

639
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: That is? It's a dad move, such a move somewhat

640
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: favorite in it. I have no phone. I just trashed it.

641
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: The floor is yours. You listen. I mean I think

642
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: number one I any one of us has the equal

643
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: amount of opinion on this matter, and they're all I think.

644
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: The thing that's hard as a as someone that grew

645
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: up watching the Browns as they have become now this

646
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: in some cases without critical thought, just like a lightning rod.

647
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: For whatever they do, they are a complete train wreck.

648
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: And it reminds me of Dan rooting for the Jets

649
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: for a certain period when whatever the Jets did, they

650
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: were immediately associated with being an absolute festival of bad

651
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: decisions in madness. Refer to the two thousand eleven season

652
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: finale for the Jets, starting with the meltown in Miami

653
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: that went through Mark Sanchez blowing out of shoulder in

654
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: the preseason. That window of Jets history total circus. We

655
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: have now thrown the circus to Cleveland. Yeah, and I mean,

656
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: and it's not that it's uh Listen, when you look

657
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: at the scope of Haslem swinging the axe to and

658
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: fro firing people at a mad pace, it's like, from

659
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: the outside, I think it looks insane to a lot

660
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: of people, but sure it does from the inside even Well,

661
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: here's here's my concern is when everyone says Michael Lombardi

662
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: is completely unfit to be a general manager and and

663
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: Banner is a total you know, black mark on the organization.

664
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: No one wants to work with the one to either

665
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: one of these two. Haslem probably should never have hired

666
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: them to begin with, but comes to the conclusion after

667
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: a coaching search in which Banner behaves like a very

668
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: bad boy. We hear over and over right disenfranchising and

669
00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: embarrassing the owner in front of potential candidates. That's why

670
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: the decision didn't happen the day they fired Rod Jazynski.

671
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: That's why didn't they fire banner in Lombardi the minute

672
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: they fired Jatzinski. Well, because over this process, I think

673
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: the Haslem, for better or worse, decided I can't work

674
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: with these guys. But also the feedback I'm getting about

675
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: my own tangled front office is that it's we don't

676
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: want to do deals with them. We would if you

677
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: got rid of them, and they're the problem in your organization.

678
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: You have a lot of talent, but these guys are

679
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: getting in the way of attracting talent from the front office,

680
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: coaching angle, everything. So my ultimate feeling is that you know,

681
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: Listen Lombardi used to work here. I don't know him personally,

682
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: but no hard feelings to him. I don't know him personally, No,

683
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: not at all, And but I have no issue with

684
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: Cleveland getting rid of two guys that have been widely

685
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: considered to be cancerous and a problem in the organization.

686
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: The issue is, oh is Farmer qualified? We don't know.

687
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 1: But I like the organizing organizational structure a lot better

688
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: than I did twenty four hours ago. Like the fact

689
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: that the GM did not pick the code. I don't

690
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: love it, but at this point you're not going to

691
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: get a situation that you love if you're a Browns fan.

692
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: And I think if you pulled most anyone rooting for

693
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: that team, undeniably overwhelmingly they're satisfied with this. These two

694
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: men being rooted out of the out of the organization.

695
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: I agree with all that, but it's a complete failure

696
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 1: in management by Haslam to fire them now versus three

697
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: months ago. You can't say it doesn't matter that he

698
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: didn't feel that way about but that's fine. But you

699
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: do understand that you that maybe what he learned since

700
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: three months ago is what forced him to come to

701
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: this decision. Right You wish he would make those decisions

702
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: on his own, though that is not coming from outside

703
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: sources that he was able to assess the situation, has

704
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: been working with Banner for sixteen months, no matter. I

705
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: totally agree with you. Getting rid of them is probably

706
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: a positive. But there's nothing but looking at it that

707
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: would be positive about keeping Lombardian Banner in your eyes,

708
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: what would be that wouldn't be, So it's not probably

709
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: a positive. It is a positive that he got rid

710
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: of them. Well know, because this is I hear all

711
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: this like suddenly has Lom is a clown for getting

712
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: rid He's had the worst eighteen months he could possibly have.

713
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: The men he shows all have been fired. They've all

714
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: been terrible decisions. He's changed his mind every time. Every

715
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: time he has a press conference, he sounds like a

716
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: used car salesman out there trying to sell something us

717
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: on how great Joe Banner was and how he changed

718
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: the organization. And each time I kind of buy it

719
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: for a second. It works, and I agree this decision

720
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: and vacuums leaving out one aspect of the eighteen months too,

721
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: that he's being indicted from major fraud allegation, that that

722
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: is the minor footnote, that is, you know, the elephant

723
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: in the room. Um, But that to me, that's not

724
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 1: part of this. Let me ask you a question, Greig,

725
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: would you rather when you look at a president of

726
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: a company, a country, a team, would you rather a

727
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: guy that says, look at I'm new with this job,

728
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: I fed this up and I'm going to make a change,

729
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna sit on this for three years so

730
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: I don't look like I'm can I'm you know, I don't.

731
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be consistent, But I'm gonna sit with

732
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: the wrong guys for another three years. I would rather

733
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: he get rid of banner in Lombardi. The problem is

734
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: the process to get to that decision, and every other

735
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: decision he's made does not give any confidence that he's

736
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: making good decision. And what NFL firing is clean. This

737
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: is worse than all right, But I mean, but honestly,

738
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: like I mean, when whenever you talk about high powered

739
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: guy's parting ways, is it ever clean? Is does anyone

740
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: ever come out looking good? It could have been done

741
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: better and less clunky. I mean, I guess, I'm I

742
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: know I sound defensive, but part of the part of

743
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: the situation is it's insane to fire here. It is

744
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: insane to fire the GM and the CEO that just

745
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: hired your coach. That is insane that that could be

746
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: what it's insane in the vacuum of information where you

747
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: don't know what it is he knows. And then there's

748
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: but then there's also the report the new GM Ray Farmer. Uh,

749
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: the new coach you just hired. He not necessary. He

750
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 1: wasn't one of his top choices with in the organization.

751
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: And that's weird because now you're going off on a

752
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: press debate that that's got a place. Not only was

753
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: he not involved in the coaching interview, they gave him

754
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: a four year contract. And I think if you asked

755
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: a twenty year old Dan hans Is, Mark Sessler and

756
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, would you be surprised at your current age

757
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: how many people in all walks of life get promoted

758
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: simply because there's a vacuum and not because they deserve it.

759
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: That's one of the lessons I've learned over the last

760
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: ten years. Browns don't think he deserved it. That that's

761
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: I think if they thought that, you just you're just

762
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: do you think that The Browns don't think that he

763
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: deserved to be promised. I think if they thought he

764
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: deserved it, even had the job already, they would have

765
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: done mcglewen. They remember they wanted they wanted to pair

766
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: Gaye and mcglewen was the report, So that's a completely

767
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: different thing. They were going after McDaniels if they get.

768
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: If they got McDaniels, I think everyone is still there

769
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: right now. So knowing all of that information, it's hard

770
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: to put much faith into the process that gets here.

771
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: Reminds me, and I get my only sticking point. I

772
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that. It's just that when

773
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: we're shredding Cleveland for firing a guy or two guys

774
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: that we've land based it all year long is incompetent.

775
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: There's a divide there. They can't wait well after the fact,

776
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: or never should have hired him to begin with. He

777
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: came to the right decision. In my mind, as someone

778
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: that's followed this team that over and over. What I

779
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: heard in back channels and right out front was that

780
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: Banner and Lombardi were a reason people didn't want to

781
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: do business with Cleveland. Players didn't respect these guys and

782
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: employees in the building at issues with the move. The

783
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: move made sense, the timing didn't. That's what to me,

784
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: what it came down to the only timing that would

785
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: make sense to you guys, though, would be that they

786
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 1: never were hired to begin with. If they had done

787
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: it after teasing, that would have been great. What happened

788
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: thirty days later. He had a completely different plan two

789
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: weeks ago than he had three weeks ago. Then he

790
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: had a month ago, then he had six weeks ago.

791
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: So that alone and everything that's happened since he came,

792
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: he came to taking over the team does not inspire confidence.

793
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: And he even said it, Look, it's been a bumpy road.

794
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: You have a lot to learn as a new NFL

795
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: and Robert Kraft has said the same thing. And I

796
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: think it could work out because their roster is good,

797
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: and I like Petton that it all could work out fine.

798
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: It's just there's no way to spend this as they've

799
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: been well run. I don't think it's well run. I

800
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: just I listen, and I just I feel at some

801
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: point that it's like all I hear and it's from

802
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: where we work is they're just getting like lashed left

803
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: and right, and well, you yourself called them a constantly

804
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: turning I actually did not, Chris. If you look at

805
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: the article I said that has them is realizes they're

806
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: perceived that way. I didn't call them that. If you

807
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: read what do you think it's fair to call them that?

808
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: I don't think it is fair to call them that

809
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: if they've fired two people that needed to be gone

810
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 1: and hired. What I think in Petton is a good coach.

811
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: You know, the Seahawks ran here and they were just

812
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: what a team and they all loved each other. Now

813
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: the TL team comes in and there's a lot of heat.

814
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I just want to say it, Mark,

815
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: you did tweet eight times in that hour. We need

816
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: we need an acronym to sum this up, you know,

817
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: since this is what Ray Farmer does acronyms, maybe we

818
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: can graduate the puns next year. This will be fun

819
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: um all right, So that's good and Kid's gonna kill

820
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: us all after this podcast, Mark, Mark could be vindicated.

821
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: If the Browns a year from now are better off

822
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: than they were now, how can they what year? I

823
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: don't think it was the wrong move at all, And

824
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone thinks that the that Banner and

825
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: Lombardi were leading them to here is that they've done

826
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: nothing but make the wrong move. Over and over the

827
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: last the last three months have been embarrassing for HASLM.

828
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: I think he would admit that agree with that right

829
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: he made the right move in the end, or did

830
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: he not? Not anybody disagrees with it. I don't think

831
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: a single person on the planet disagrees with it. Then

832
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: why are they being flamed her because of how he

833
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: handled it the whole way? It was ham fisted, wrong

834
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: handed the whole way. Well, I think you find he's

835
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: finding that job is harder than it appears from the

836
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: outside to just critique from the outside. Bumpy times for

837
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: the silver Fox. All right, gentlemen, we will be back

838
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: on Friday. We will be playing when West's Toaster the

839
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: gold standard behind the glass. Um, I understand you have

840
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: some people lined up. We're gonna do a little more

841
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: screening because we want you know, there's a lot of

842
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: pride on West's side right now. He I feel like

843
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: he's never been on a higher plane of confidence, which

844
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: I love. But maybe he's a little too confident over confident.

845
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: Perhaps we'll see. I mean, we do have a lot

846
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: of very worthy candidates. I'm putting them all on the

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Speaker 1: elimination chamber tonight, and it sounds weird pay per view.

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Speaker 1: The gold standard is the Ken Jennings of football lined up.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't take me to It doesn't sound like if

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Speaker 1: you go into the elimination chamber that you ever come

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Speaker 1: out if you lose. Yeah, are you a murder secrets

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Speaker 1: right now? Alright, guys, all right, we're gonna talk this

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Speaker 1: out after the podcast. We will be back Friday. Thanks

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Speaker 1: again to the Seahawks Stars that stopped by Brandon me Vain,

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Speaker 1: Ben Bryan, Michael Robinson, uh signing up to Dan Hands

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Speaker 1: for the Sizzler, the Mailman, the Boss, the gold Standard

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Speaker 1: until Friday, if they just gave it a chance