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Speaker 1: moving in root into Houston. Jasmine brought like seven different
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Speaker 1: leather coat completely say for one night you brought that coach, Jasmine,
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Speaker 1: The little one thing on this big Yeah, Like, why
Speaker 1: would you ever get a frosty when you can just
Speaker 1: get a bluezard. I did I like frost after the
Speaker 1: disappointing loss at the Best of Texas competition. So we
Speaker 1: lost that round. We lost that round two to one.
Speaker 1: You do. The St. Mary's Trial team. It's back together,
Speaker 1: only this time without Mariella, and they're on route to
Speaker 1: the highest stakes tournament of the year, the regional bracket
Speaker 1: of the National Trial Competition. Eleven schools start out on Friday,
Speaker 1: but only two will survive and advance to Nationals on Sunday.
Speaker 1: By that time, for everyone else, the season will be over.
Speaker 1: And while this isn't the first rodeo for St. Mary's,
Speaker 1: it is the first time they'll be competing live this season.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Harris County Civil Court House. Oh you
Speaker 1: should know about the trip to the room is where
Speaker 1: they're always going to be. How all coffee in the
Speaker 1: northern room. It's gonna be lunch as well. The law
Speaker 1: students are all dressed up for a swanky happy hour
Speaker 1: that's on the docket for tonight. The only table available
Speaker 1: to St. Mary's, though, smack dab in the center of
Speaker 1: the room where all of the other teams can check
Speaker 1: them out. Okay, Judge Christine Weans, the competition host, leaves
Speaker 1: the students to fend for themselves. She pulls all of
Speaker 1: the coaches into a conference room to sort out the
Speaker 1: rules and to draw off the matchups. So we do
Speaker 1: a four round prelim just because I hate three round prelimbs.
Speaker 1: I'm very bitter. I did I got well. I got
Speaker 1: on the losing end of a three round free limb
Speaker 1: in law school like twenty five years ago, and I
Speaker 1: still hold a grudge about it. So that back in
Speaker 1: the main room, it's awkward. The St. Mary's team tries
Speaker 1: to act cool. It's unique, just to help you like
Speaker 1: and then sate your words before you speak. She does red,
Speaker 1: leather yellow. There's a lot of side eye glances, silent judgments,
Speaker 1: and forced small talk, except from cold. If you hacked
Speaker 1: into a nuclear reactor, you could scram the reactor, which
Speaker 1: shuts down the plant, cutting off power. That's very good
Speaker 1: for the civilians. Like that are easy when everything's going good,
Speaker 1: and then it goes bad. But these are competitors and
Speaker 1: they are on high alert for any smack talk from
Speaker 1: the other schools, especially from their arch nemesis, Baylor University.
Speaker 1: My name is Christopher Grant. I am the young Padawan
Speaker 1: to the Jedi Master, Chris Ruise, Christopher Ruise. This is
Speaker 1: my fourth tournament on Baffa Baylor. I competed an undergrad,
Speaker 1: so I've been reprobailor for seven years now. It's a
Speaker 1: great experience. UM really enjoy it and looking forward to
Speaker 1: the tournament. An hour goes by and the coaches, well,
Speaker 1: they're oblivious to what their suffering students are going through.
Speaker 1: You can't do that, you can't play one six, And
Speaker 1: everyone that one I know verses that, Yes, I feel
Speaker 1: like it'sn consensus is that we are a little bit
Speaker 1: just like a tiny it's starving star. How long how
Speaker 1: you guys left for the coaches conference? And we thought
Speaker 1: like that was the happy hour, so we were like,
Speaker 1: bring on the tapas and no, no tapas. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: the opening around. I'll put on this on the website.
Speaker 1: It's late, it's freezing and it's raining. The top us
Speaker 1: and the fashionable cocktails at the happy hour are going
Speaker 1: to waste this whole let's get together and bond with
Speaker 1: your fellow law student thing. Well, it's a total bust.
Speaker 1: I mean the other option is that you'll just go
Speaker 1: back to the hotel now and get literally, I prefer that.
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I mean we can, we can, I
Speaker 1: mean we could do that. I gotta go with happy
Speaker 1: Arab and y'all you can go back. There was teams
Speaker 1: that didn't even show up to the this is episode
Speaker 1: ten of Class Action. Any given Sunday, the excitement level
Speaker 1: for them is just huge and it just makes all
Speaker 1: of our hearts grow and it's why we do this.
Speaker 1: It's extremely fast paced once you're in the competition. Breach
Speaker 1: are Vino and Ashley Emil oversee the national competition for
Speaker 1: the Texas Young Lawyers Association. There's not a lot of
Speaker 1: time to think once you're in it. You just have
Speaker 1: to do what you know that you need to do
Speaker 1: and move forward. I think the competition setting is important
Speaker 1: for them to understand how to be good trial lawyers
Speaker 1: when the stakes are high, when there's the pressure on,
Speaker 1: when there's the stress to it. As well. This morning,
Speaker 1: I will go befoward and was dressing. I couldn't I
Speaker 1: couldn't go back to bed, and I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm gonna pass out, like I'm not sleeping
Speaker 1: enough and I have to go two rounds, Like what
Speaker 1: if that happens? And then Andy woke up finally, and
Speaker 1: I'm like Andy just like no, no, we're switching. And
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, So my main job is just
Speaker 1: to make sure all those cats are heard it at
Speaker 1: the beginning, make sure they're on coach. Jason Goss comes
Speaker 1: across like a good old boy, but just below the surface,
Speaker 1: he's hell bent on a trophy. Jason was the star
Speaker 1: attorney on the last Saint Mary's team to make it
Speaker 1: to Nationals way back in two thousand. How a killer.
Speaker 1: How need road every time because if you don't, which
Speaker 1: would be the last one problem did you ever do?
Speaker 1: When you're up everything rightes on this weekend, you gotta
Speaker 1: kill him. South Texas is very good. I mean they're
Speaker 1: just they're always very good. Same Mary's always goes against
Speaker 1: South Texas and Taylor always every year since I've been here,
Speaker 1: every year, and it's always hard and that's good and
Speaker 1: if you beat him, you feel really good. Going both ways,
Speaker 1: some of the facts start to blur a little bit together,
Speaker 1: especially since some of the initial stuff and openings and
Speaker 1: crosses and directs kind of are similar questions, So it
Speaker 1: would throw me off. So I saw that I had
Speaker 1: two ties that are kind of similar in design. So
Speaker 1: in side of gold is defense. I've always been told
Speaker 1: red is a prosecution color, So I think blue is
Speaker 1: a proper because we're good guys. Well, red red as
Speaker 1: prosecution for me. So that's how I keep it straight,
Speaker 1: all right. Uh? Calling to order Cause number one eight
Speaker 1: three three three the State of lone Star versus Timmy Williams. Uh,
Speaker 1: we're on the record. Does the state have any emotions? Yes,
Speaker 1: your honor. By way of background, the defendant in today's case,
Speaker 1: Timmy Williams, is being charged with possession of the controlled
Speaker 1: substance with the intent to deliver. Now, the defendant was
Speaker 1: found in apartment number one along with cocaine and other
Speaker 1: associated drug paraphernalia. Now the apartment in question is listed
Speaker 1: under Tommy Williams, who's the defendant's brother. Yes, your honor,
Speaker 1: we are here today on a possession of a controlled
Speaker 1: substance with intent to deliver. That controlled substance being cocaine.
Speaker 1: A key issue in today's case is who had actual care,
Speaker 1: custody and control. It will be our defense that Tommy
Speaker 1: Williams was the one who had actual care, custody and control.
Speaker 1: That's an officer Perez took the drugs from upstairs, walked
Speaker 1: them downstairs to a table where there was a scale.
Speaker 1: So he took the cocaine from upstairs, brought it downstairs,
Speaker 1: placed it on this scale, and then took the photograph.
Speaker 1: Um it would be misleading the jury as it was
Speaker 1: manipulated in stage for this photograph to be taken. After
Speaker 1: months on Zoo, Jasmine finally has the opportunit unity to
Speaker 1: take advantage of the dynamics of a real courtroom. I
Speaker 1: may I approach the witness. Cole who's normally pretty shy,
Speaker 1: can finally lead those I want to talk about that scale.
Speaker 1: Do you see that skill there? Yes, you didn't check
Speaker 1: that scale for fingerprints? Did you know you didn't check
Speaker 1: that scale for cocaine? And of course Jasmine can have
Speaker 1: her hair just right, her nails flawless, as she likes
Speaker 1: to say. Everyone is making eye contact with the witness,
Speaker 1: the judge, and the other team. It's a revelation. It
Speaker 1: was the perfect example of delivery because it was manipulated
Speaker 1: in many ways. The defense case, it's juicier. They can
Speaker 1: argue that investigators rushed to judgment, that they staged the evidence.
Speaker 1: They didn't even read Timmy Williams is Miranda Lets. You
Speaker 1: didn't talk to anybody that day? Did you know? I
Speaker 1: did not? You didn't talk to anyone there any other time,
Speaker 1: did you. No prosecution is supposed to keep us safe.
Speaker 1: Where it's these supposed to keep the government in check.
Speaker 1: You have to keep the bad cops in check, and
Speaker 1: you have to hammer them hard. You didn't talk to
Speaker 1: the landlord of that apartment comp You never tried to
Speaker 1: examine a lease agreements. You never tried to verify who
Speaker 1: actually owned apartment one two three, did you? So there's
Speaker 1: this weird dynamic. You know, it sounds bad making an
Speaker 1: example because you don't want to go too far, but
Speaker 1: you also don't want to you know, convicts in the
Speaker 1: court of public opinion the copy did nothing wrong, but
Speaker 1: you might have to imply that they did something wrong
Speaker 1: in order to serve your client. So you can either
Speaker 1: choose to do what is right or what is easy,
Speaker 1: and the state has chosen to do what is easy.
Speaker 1: Members the jury, we're asking you to do what is
Speaker 1: right when you see that verdict form to find Mr
Speaker 1: Williams not guilty. Thank you cancers. At this point we're
Speaker 1: going to submit the matter to the jury. Uh and
Speaker 1: so we are in recess until that point off the record,
Speaker 1: all right, So I mean I feel good about them.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll just kind of see. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: interesting because if they do well in these first two rounds,
Speaker 1: are gonna be going against the best and the third
Speaker 1: and fourth and everybody's gonna knocking each other down. So
Speaker 1: that's that's a good thing. It's a surprisingly good first
Speaker 1: day for the St. Mary's team. They win this round
Speaker 1: as well as the next, with Andy wearing her prosecutor's hat,
Speaker 1: ripping apart the key witness for the defense. Yes, Mr Williams,
Speaker 1: according to you, the scales and the scale and this
Speaker 1: photo isn't yours. It is not according to you, the
Speaker 1: straws aren't yours. According to you, the little baggies aren't yours.
Speaker 1: And according to you, the coke Hayne isn't yours. And
Speaker 1: according to you, you're Tommy Williams. Right. Not according to me,
Speaker 1: on Timmy Williams. But that's not what you told the
Speaker 1: police on the day that you were arrested. That's accurate
Speaker 1: for the questions at this time. Oh okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting to hear from this round in this
Speaker 1: round to find out who the presiding judges. But I
Speaker 1: know Bill Ford's praying dudge guy saw him on the
Speaker 1: bench in that one. Okay, It's the second day of
Speaker 1: the regional tournament and head coach A. J. Blito de
Speaker 1: Luna is volunteering to help judge Weems with the scoring system.
Speaker 1: It's a complex job and something he's done throughout his
Speaker 1: career in the trial advocacy world. AJ maintains his neutrality,
Speaker 1: but he can't help but be excited at how well
Speaker 1: his team is too. Are our St. Mary's two team
Speaker 1: of Team one sixty three. They're the ones that just
Speaker 1: swept that last round. They're facing the Baylor team, um,
Speaker 1: which is happens to be in the first place. We
Speaker 1: have a tough match up, but this is where this
Speaker 1: is where we're supposed to be. You want to be
Speaker 1: in the arena with the big boys, right with the
Speaker 1: big teams. That's that's where you want to be. You
Speaker 1: want to be playing against the best players. And the
Speaker 1: fact that they you know, they came out of the basement,
Speaker 1: so there's a lot more about their character. I really
Speaker 1: really just hope that we like break this fake curse.
Speaker 1: That everyone is talking, you know, like we just haven't
Speaker 1: we haven't, we haven't advanced in so long, Like I
Speaker 1: really just want to be the team that does it.
Speaker 1: It's time. We've waited long enough and we know that
Speaker 1: we got it, So we just got to do it
Speaker 1: for Andy, Jasmine and Cole. Their entire season is on
Speaker 1: the line. Ye was a council Thanks a gentleman the jury,
Speaker 1: Please the court. Two wrongs don't make a right. Three
Speaker 1: lies don't make a truth. And this trial, Mike Ho
Speaker 1: counsel is gonna come before you, Miss Andy Viscotta. She's
Speaker 1: gonna go through all of the evidence that you saw
Speaker 1: today and you're gonna see the wrongs of the defendant
Speaker 1: and the lies of the defendant don't make it true.
Speaker 1: She's gonna show you how we have met our burden
Speaker 1: of proof, and she will ask you to find the defendant,
Speaker 1: Timmy Williams guilty. Baylor is not fooling around. They bring
Speaker 1: in their a team, may please the court. My name
Speaker 1: is Christopher Crant and I'm proud to be here representing
Speaker 1: Timmy Williams. Just a moment ago, the state came before
Speaker 1: you and they spent most of their time talking about
Speaker 1: the fact that Timmy Williams. Well, they're gonna tell you
Speaker 1: over and over and over and over again that he's
Speaker 1: a liar. He's a liar. You shouldn't trust him checking
Speaker 1: your honor. Apologize. But this is getting into signific me
Speaker 1: argument in the territory of hope existence in general, I try.
Speaker 1: I am a fairly quiet person, keep to myself, and
Speaker 1: I don't confront people here. To me, it makes sense
Speaker 1: for me to be a little more snippy and a
Speaker 1: little more aggressive. You give me an assignment, I do it.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's because it's Baylor, or maybe it's the pressure
Speaker 1: or the threat of elimination, but it's obvious these lawyers
Speaker 1: really don't like each other. The mascot for Baylor is
Speaker 1: the bear for St. Mary's. It's the rattlesnake. Mr Williams.
Speaker 1: How many times would you say that you lied to
Speaker 1: law enforcement on the day that you were arrested. Mr Williams,
Speaker 1: you told that the law enforcement that day that you
Speaker 1: were talking about doing that. You're also throwing your brother
Speaker 1: under the bus. So the truth is, throughout the entire
Speaker 1: course of your investigation, you found no evidence Timmy Williams
Speaker 1: ever received any payment in exchange for drugs. I found
Speaker 1: no money. Correct, you found no evidence Timmy Williams communicated
Speaker 1: with anyone whatsoever to buy or sell two pieces of
Speaker 1: key evidence with your bare hands. So, Officer pres you
Speaker 1: staged this photograph. I disagree with that. In stage and
Speaker 1: gentlemen of the jury, we learned today that when Timmy
Speaker 1: Williams is back is against the wall, what he does
Speaker 1: his lie. Today, you have the power to deliver a
Speaker 1: verdict based on the truth. I asked that you find
Speaker 1: the defendant guilty today. May it please the court? It
Speaker 1: is a scary society for us to live in, to
Speaker 1: think that you can visit somebody's house and because that
Speaker 1: somebody else has something incriminating upstairs, you could be found guilty.
Speaker 1: He had nothing to hide, That's what they told you.
Speaker 1: If you had nothing to hide, why lie? If you
Speaker 1: had nothing to hide, why would you ask how do
Speaker 1: I get out of these charges? Why not say? Wait? WHOA,
Speaker 1: this has gone too far. I'm not Tommy, I'm Timmy.
Speaker 1: Those aren't my drugs objection. I'm sorry to interrupt. I
Speaker 1: asked that to be stricken, let's move if he had
Speaker 1: nothing to hide. While Andy, your style is great, I knew.
Speaker 1: I knew from your face you didn't like my original
Speaker 1: ruling on on the conversation. No, I mean, it's fine,
Speaker 1: and it's okay to be disappointed, right, it's fine. But
Speaker 1: I like the way you came back, and you came
Speaker 1: back in a very respectful way, and you had new evidence.
Speaker 1: Uh Andy, gosh, you're such a good advocate. Cole. Also, man, y'all,
Speaker 1: both of you guys are the team super professionals. Christopher,
Speaker 1: you are an excellent storyteller. Danielle really good. You're a
Speaker 1: really good listener. But maybe don't get too aggressive right
Speaker 1: off the back. God, alright, so the part that you
Speaker 1: care about, you know, the teams that are advancing in
Speaker 1: the semifinals for Regent ten, then the three thirty third
Speaker 1: on prosecution will be Team three fifty Baylor two. Okay,
Speaker 1: first team one sixty three, say Eric. And then the
Speaker 1: last team in the semifinal round will be in the
Speaker 1: team three forty nine Baylor one. Persis Team one six
Speaker 1: Saint Mary. Y'all broke, I'm sure y'all have work to
Speaker 1: do for the rest of you. Didn't break. We thank
Speaker 1: you so much for coming there. Help because you need
Speaker 1: crete she's a much No, I'm happy, proud of all.
Speaker 1: I've told you all, y'all are gonna be in your
Speaker 1: need you guys, we are like, we don't take Elsie
Speaker 1: give us. Finally we broke. We made it to the
Speaker 1: next round where going to the semifinals, and then it's unreal.
Speaker 1: It's very sad, it's so happy. We can't remember was
Speaker 1: the last time St. Mary's advanced two teams in this
Speaker 1: competition to the next round and a live competition. But
Speaker 1: the last time that we had two teams advance, especially
Speaker 1: the gauntlet that we went through, it's pretty amazing. So
Speaker 1: hopefully we're not done today when they're out of the van,
Speaker 1: they weren't going to lose and they did exactly what
Speaker 1: they needed to do against superb teams. So I'm I'm
Speaker 1: ecstatic right now. But it's not good enough business Spensis
Speaker 1: two thousand eight. Since we made it to the nationals,
Speaker 1: we need them, we need them to do it. So
Speaker 1: I am patiously optimistic Colors. So here's the here's the
Speaker 1: thing tomorrow. When you go in now, it's for real.
Speaker 1: You lay it all out there because the one thing
Speaker 1: you don't want to go back and set I put
Speaker 1: it down more and at I was tired, which I'm
Speaker 1: worried about that I'm waking up tomorrow and saying, oh
Speaker 1: my god, we're facing Baylor. Faylor is the best tile
Speaker 1: at program in the coat. They really are facing that.
Speaker 1: There's a big he can't get to the dashing A
Speaker 1: Championship without getting there there, so it's gonna be hard.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a hard day. They can do their
Speaker 1: best and it's still not like so we're going back
Speaker 1: to the hotel. The team piles into the van and
Speaker 1: heads back to the hotel and he calls a team
Speaker 1: meeting in her room. Jasmine's already in her pj's and
Speaker 1: fuzzy slippers. Wait can I I say the first thing?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, leave the meeting cup. What can we
Speaker 1: do to better the rally had this morning? Because it
Speaker 1: was a good round, but we need to be great Jasmine, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like today I was better than that. You were great
Speaker 1: and you're just like you're on it. Next level of
Speaker 1: that is like, yeah, Baylor's tomorrow. I don't think like
Speaker 1: we should get really psyched out about it because like
Speaker 1: I'm not. We did it today and like we did
Speaker 1: it today, call you eat pre trial. If you don't
Speaker 1: crying help, sorry, you have no You have to assert
Speaker 1: your you're the anchor. You have to assert your dominance
Speaker 1: from the beginning. It's your time, it's your clock, it's
Speaker 1: your room, it's your trial to your case like tomorrow
Speaker 1: it's Baylor, so like, read the room, read the witness,
Speaker 1: read the judge, and apply your cross accordingly. But even
Speaker 1: if it has to be a stop cross, like we're
Speaker 1: actually your job is done by noon, Jasmine. Think about
Speaker 1: that afternoon You're like, I just need to get it
Speaker 1: to you, and I'm good once we get But most
Speaker 1: likely they're gonna start to brass. There's no way they
Speaker 1: gave St. Mary's two defenses and the semifinal around and
Speaker 1: they're not gonna like it's weird. It's maybe years of
Speaker 1: my issues. I don't feel like Jesus, you screamed to
Speaker 1: everybody loved me, I scream don't. I don't want you
Speaker 1: to love me people. That's what it is. There's some
Speaker 1: deepness there, all right, I appreciate it. What do you think? Cool?
Speaker 1: How are you feeling? Yeah? Cool? You actually have done
Speaker 1: the most work ever, Like you've been astrative gangster g
Speaker 1: every round it's gonna do it again to wall Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, you are the glue to this team. You
Speaker 1: are the glue to this team without you. Jasmine's so
Speaker 1: we're talking about what's good at dinner. Yeah, bad, it's bad,
Speaker 1: Like you make us better. Dad was in the Marines
Speaker 1: a few years before I was born. My mom's father,
Speaker 1: he was in the Air Force. Military is just something
Speaker 1: I sort of grew up interested in. People watch whatever
Speaker 1: TV shows, reality shows or whatever. I'd be watching some
Speaker 1: military very documentary or some something like that just because
Speaker 1: that's what I found interesting. So my dad, he's all
Speaker 1: for Joint Military, very supportive of it. My biological father
Speaker 1: is the same way. He's put me in contact with
Speaker 1: people that he knows that were former JAG to talk
Speaker 1: to them and learn more about the program. My mom
Speaker 1: isn't as thrilled about it, that motherly protection kind of thing. Um.
Speaker 1: She thought the JAG was a civilian thing where they
Speaker 1: just work for the military. She didn't realize it was
Speaker 1: actual military. So if I did JAG, it would be
Speaker 1: basic training, should be officer kind of get school after
Speaker 1: that and then JAG training. A lot of attorneys, um,
Speaker 1: a lot of law students at least they need to
Speaker 1: be in charge, which is an inherently bad thing. But
Speaker 1: if you don't take orders from other people, well then
Speaker 1: military avacene isn't gonna be good for you. Some people
Speaker 1: can be commanded, some people can't. Um. Some people can
Speaker 1: step into leadership shoes. Some people can't. It's just the
Speaker 1: way it is. I think I can um, and hopefully
Speaker 1: the military agrees. Morning. Andy and I had some good
Speaker 1: conversations this morning, just about the rounds and not like
Speaker 1: us as people. I guess too, so I feel like
Speaker 1: we got for any de bunds of times, just like
Speaker 1: you're not doing myself. You know. Andy's advice is like,
Speaker 1: don't try anything somebody or not. Basically, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: get intimidated by case law. I'm not gonna get intimidated
Speaker 1: man in hell. Yeah today I am or don't accept
Speaker 1: any of presses that they give. Do tell me your
Speaker 1: little three things. The law tries to codify equity. You're
Speaker 1: herd to argument strong. It should not be over like
Speaker 1: come by anything because Corea never ever gen You told
Speaker 1: me a record of me again please time I have.
Speaker 1: I'm not just get up, as coaches told me. The
Speaker 1: thing about me, is I have like a I think
Speaker 1: he said sweet disposition, Like I'm yeah, I go up
Speaker 1: there and I'm like sweet and everything or not sweet,
Speaker 1: but like I don't seem all aggressive, but then when
Speaker 1: it comes down to it, I can do it. The
Speaker 1: thing about that I love about the law is that
Speaker 1: the purpose is to obviously keep the community safe, but
Speaker 1: also to uphold justice and fairness. But I personally, I
Speaker 1: do know attorneys who are like that. They don't care
Speaker 1: about their clients, not one bit at all. I want
Speaker 1: to be a difference, Like if somebody were to hire
Speaker 1: me instead of this other attorney, that could like actually,
Speaker 1: you know, affect their case. I don't know what my
Speaker 1: purpose is, like we're all finding it out every day,
Speaker 1: but I think one of my purposes has got to
Speaker 1: be to make the world a better place. Has got
Speaker 1: to be to change lives, because one attorney could really
Speaker 1: change a life. Okay, I just don't think you I
Speaker 1: shouldn't remind you that we beat the girl invest in Texas.
Speaker 1: I know, because the two girls does. Um yeah, so
Speaker 1: you'll know where to stand, you know where to do?
Speaker 1: You know all this stuff. This is fun. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's stressful, but it's fun. I mean,
Speaker 1: then you know, all we can prepare you for us
Speaker 1: to break because once you're in the break grounds, you're
Speaker 1: always going to get to school. That's as good as
Speaker 1: you are. It doesn't matter who the advocates are. You
Speaker 1: all understand the program. You watched it all yesterday, so
Speaker 1: you all went through it yesterday. So it's only about
Speaker 1: what your little thing that are happening, and who your
Speaker 1: judges are, and so it's just there's so many variables
Speaker 1: that right now we're just all hanging on for the ride,
Speaker 1: and you gotta win to break the The whole idea
Speaker 1: is is that the person who has calmist, the team,
Speaker 1: who is most professional and the most calm, is going
Speaker 1: to be the one who wins. The one who confidently
Speaker 1: goes through and does what they're doing, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: the one that wins. You got it, I got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, you you young. It's just style. Whatever feels
Speaker 1: right in that moment, Like we could tell you like yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe just give it to the helps me first. It's
Speaker 1: like it's really gonna like speak for a strike for
Speaker 1: a strike car like numerosy do not between that gum
Speaker 1: I'm about getting it all out. Oh my gosh, are
Speaker 1: h oh, Good morning everybody. So this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a good case. This is going to be a good
Speaker 1: opportunity for all of you advocates. I hear great things
Speaker 1: about you. So my bailiff got fired because of bad attitude.
Speaker 1: So do we have somebody to keep time for us? Andy,
Speaker 1: who's kind of losing it at this point because she's
Speaker 1: dying to compete volunteers. I don't have to be time
Speaker 1: for us? Is that all right? So I have a
Speaker 1: new beata find it the last and only lasted three days.
Speaker 1: Apparently I'm a tyrant. Andy takes a seat in the
Speaker 1: jury box. It's the perfect spot to keep an eye
Speaker 1: on her teammates. Eventually, you did call the narcotics unit.
Speaker 1: I did because you had a dream that maybe one
Speaker 1: day I could move from being a patrol officer to
Speaker 1: the narcotics unit. Yes, Jasmine has kind of come into herself,
Speaker 1: and I think at the beginning she was very quiet
Speaker 1: and not sure of herself, and she has improved like
Speaker 1: leaps about. She's way better right now than she has
Speaker 1: ever better to person. Timmy lied because he was a
Speaker 1: victim of the system. But the state has based their
Speaker 1: entire case on these lies. If the detective on scene
Speaker 1: doesn't do their job, who else is supposed to. That's
Speaker 1: on the detective, that's on the state to investigate properly.
Speaker 1: That is not the country that we live in today.
Speaker 1: All four of you, just your movements were good. You
Speaker 1: anchored you, you were repetition, you used each other's themes
Speaker 1: against each other. All of that was good. Um, so again,
Speaker 1: congratulations on getting this far. It was very tough to judge.
Speaker 1: You know, there's gotta be a winner and I gotta
Speaker 1: be a loser. And I can already tell you that
Speaker 1: there's a difference as to very small percentage as to
Speaker 1: who won and who lost. All four of you one
Speaker 1: so jee fast. I was trying to smile, but I
Speaker 1: can't be making faces at you with them watching him.
Speaker 1: And I was just like it, no, I just can't be.
Speaker 1: I can't be like, I can't. I couldn't feel it.
Speaker 1: You need to face And I was like no, I
Speaker 1: was trying to like help my weight to cry, like
Speaker 1: I'm trying I was. I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't react to this, how do you feel? So
Speaker 1: I feel like I stumbled in emotions and like its
Speaker 1: just you did sure. I have no idea vomit, do
Speaker 1: you have any idea? I'm gonna barth. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought Presiding was with you the whole time,
Speaker 1: even though he was like overrule and stuff, like he
Speaker 1: was like he got a little gleam in his eyes,
Speaker 1: especially like when Cole was got people look, judges look cool,
Speaker 1: especially presiding, um, just because he's he's just he has
Speaker 1: that thing you want. You believe him, You believe him.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the judges liked it or not.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't really tell by just comments alone. Right,
Speaker 1: Sometimes the judge will crap on your team and just
Speaker 1: criticize you. And then you found out that they had
Speaker 1: you winning by thirty points, So you don't You don't
Speaker 1: know until we get the ballots back. Like you killed
Speaker 1: them with kindness exactly like we talked about and like
Speaker 1: that's really powerful. And for them, yeah, they were, they
Speaker 1: were trying to bully us. But the sun came out.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm working with because I did manifest
Speaker 1: that for today. I didn't look at the weather forecast. Um,
Speaker 1: So I mean there's a chance there's there's a chance.
Speaker 1: I yeah, And if there's a chance, and we knocked
Speaker 1: out Baylor, we're gonna have a food. We did the
Speaker 1: best you think, Yes, how did you feel? I feel like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna right again. I feel like maybe I disappointed everybody, know,
Speaker 1: just because emotionally I caught tongue title and know you
Speaker 1: did it. You were called. They were like, and you
Speaker 1: were like your honor, like you were you were good.
Speaker 1: It seemed like, no, you don't seem shaky. You were calm,
Speaker 1: because the whole entire time you were like and you smiled,
Speaker 1: you went up there, You're like, okay, let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: I was like, we're killing them with logic today. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: And that was great, Okay, okay, good, We're good right there.
Speaker 1: You're like, you know, my heart, my heart is in
Speaker 1: my whause, my stomach is in my heart. I don't
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, all right, just come up. We're here,
Speaker 1: all right, um, all right, everybody, some very very well
Speaker 1: thought battles. We are super proud of every water. Be
Speaker 1: all please. It's always hard because every time you advanced,
Speaker 1: somebody's got to go home. And in this instance, obviously
Speaker 1: four teams have to go home and for moving on
Speaker 1: to the finals. These are the teams that are moving
Speaker 1: on into the finals in their two final rounds. In
Speaker 1: the two ninety five on prosecution, it will be Team
Speaker 1: three forty nine Baylor versus Team three forty six South
Speaker 1: Texas College of Law Onto. In the three thirty third Courtroom,
Speaker 1: Team one seventy six Texas will go prosecution against Team
Speaker 1: one sixty three St. Mary's congratulations to all of you.
Speaker 1: For those of you who do not advance, y'all want
Speaker 1: a six pack of beer? Seriously, we got tons. He's
Speaker 1: already like, I already got one. I ain't competing today.
Speaker 1: So they said Texas, What should they say Texas too?
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I just heard Texas. I blacked out
Speaker 1: after they said you weren't prosecution? I did too. It
Speaker 1: sounds like we have to be cold. Did they say
Speaker 1: Texas to or Texas one? It's probably the Texas were
Speaker 1: the guy one best prosecutor, probably because he was Texas.
Speaker 1: He was Houth Texas. I was Texas. Is it a
Speaker 1: coin toss on what side we go most defense? It
Speaker 1: has to do with the meetings, the pairings, and where
Speaker 1: we It's an automatic flip said, it had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with us. It had to do with that. You
Speaker 1: had to do with where they work. So we are going.
Speaker 1: I think it's ut. I'm not sure how the bracket
Speaker 1: ends up works, but that's what we're doing now. I've
Speaker 1: going in exsecution, were on defense, and UT School of
Speaker 1: Law is like one of the best in the country. Overall.
Speaker 1: I don't care that i'd be Baylor. I need to
Speaker 1: beat these guys. I know, I was wondering about y'all.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, you must be like, are
Speaker 1: you chomping at the bits? I like, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I was so happy that we were advancing that I
Speaker 1: didn't care, you know, because it ansing is advancing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's hard. You're like fighting the feeling
Speaker 1: of like I'm not crying, like that's the super Bowl
Speaker 1: and I got benched and it wasn't even my choice,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't my coach and it wasn't my teammates.
Speaker 1: That's just how the cookie crumbled. Um. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm proud of us no matter what, but
Speaker 1: a little bit. But it's hard. It's hard, all right.
Speaker 1: Three o eight in session, the honor Borial Open deciding
Speaker 1: a good afternoon, your honor. My name is Augustus Talkington,
Speaker 1: along with my coke council Nicholas Lowry Uh. It is
Speaker 1: our privileged to represent the state of a Lone start today.
Speaker 1: Good afternoon, your honor. My name is Jasmine Old Gene.
Speaker 1: That is O. L G U I N and I
Speaker 1: on with my co counseling the afternoon, y honor of
Speaker 1: My name is Cole C L E D A V
Speaker 1: I L A. We represent the defendant, Mr Timney Williams.
Speaker 1: It's Sunday. All of the other regional tournaments in the
Speaker 1: country have been decided. All eyes are on Texas. Both
Speaker 1: teams are exhausted, none more than Cole, who has argued
Speaker 1: this case five times already. The courtroom is packed, spectators,
Speaker 1: alumni and parents all are leading in. Only one of
Speaker 1: the teams in this courtroom will get an automatic bid
Speaker 1: to the national championship. To that members of the jury today,
Speaker 1: the evidence will show that the defendant owned illegal drugs.
Speaker 1: More than this, he intended to deliver those illegal drugs
Speaker 1: into this very community. While opposing counsels making their opening statements,
Speaker 1: while I am making mine during all the way, this
Speaker 1: is all of the evidence during closing arguments and even
Speaker 1: while you were deliberating. Timmy Williams is presumed to be innocent.
Speaker 1: It's not supposed to be easy to convict somebody, because
Speaker 1: we do not want the police and the government to
Speaker 1: simply take the easy way out and grab the first
Speaker 1: person they saw that day. Question that the defense is
Speaker 1: going to ask you is who lived in that apartment? Now,
Speaker 1: we as this state will show that the defendant lived
Speaker 1: in that apartment. Now the defense is gonna come up
Speaker 1: here and they're gonna tell you a story about how
Speaker 1: the defendant's brother and his wife and kids lived in
Speaker 1: that apartment. But ask yourself, does this story makes sense?
Speaker 1: Now you see, you're gonna hear from enter Perez that
Speaker 1: they took those two bags of cocaine from that night stand,
Speaker 1: walked them downstairs, found some scales, placed them on the scales,
Speaker 1: lined up the shot, and took photographs. One of your
Speaker 1: rules as a patrol officer is to give out traffic tickets.
Speaker 1: You don't investigate scenes that involved narcotics. You're not trained
Speaker 1: to handle narcotics. You became excited when you saw that cocaine. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm doing my job. This is what I
Speaker 1: signed up for. You lie to the police to get
Speaker 1: out of trouble. There, big jection, your honor. This has
Speaker 1: been asked and answered. I'll ask the question again. You
Speaker 1: lied to the police to get into trouble using your
Speaker 1: brother's license. That is correct. My objection. You're saying for
Speaker 1: the statements of the officers station asking answer sustainable objection,
Speaker 1: ask and answered. You know, and they're doing it like
Speaker 1: they're coming out and executing. And that's all I can ask,
Speaker 1: you know, just don't don't sit down and sweat and
Speaker 1: you know, pass out. Have you ever loved your team
Speaker 1: so much that you can't even watch them in the
Speaker 1: biggest game of the season, but you keep checking the
Speaker 1: score anyway? Well, that's Jason Goff. He's pacing up and
Speaker 1: down the hallway. He quietly slips into the back of
Speaker 1: the courtroom, gets anxious, comes back out, sits down, stands up,
Speaker 1: starts pacing again. That such astmas Cross. I thought it
Speaker 1: was great should really good jobs sayed really cool? Um,
Speaker 1: which is important. Um. If Cole held his own an opening,
Speaker 1: then you know the closing. You know, if it's close,
Speaker 1: the closing will decide. It may please the court Council,
Speaker 1: Members of the jury. Timmy Williams was found with two
Speaker 1: and a half grands of cocaine and all of his
Speaker 1: supplies for delivering that cocaine right into this community, and
Speaker 1: instead of accepting the fact that he was caught, he lied.
Speaker 1: And as I walked through each of these elements, I
Speaker 1: will discuss what those words mean, but just remember that
Speaker 1: it simply breaks down into presence of the cocaine, possession
Speaker 1: of the cocaine, and intend to deliver the cocaine. Objection,
Speaker 1: your honor, This is a misstatement of the law. It's
Speaker 1: not presence that was established this element. The element is
Speaker 1: just possession, which is actual care, custody, and control, not
Speaker 1: just presence. As posting counsel has stated two times already.
Speaker 1: As just rephrase, Council to keep going, I find maybe
Speaker 1: you heard. Okay. You can either do what is right
Speaker 1: what is easy. The state did what was easy. The
Speaker 1: members of the jury today, we're asking you to do
Speaker 1: what is right. This failure to investigate who actually live there,
Speaker 1: this manipulation of the evidence that's not beyond a reasonable doubt,
Speaker 1: the state has not met their burden today. We're asking
Speaker 1: you to you what is right. And when you see
Speaker 1: this verdict form, we asked that you find Timmy Williams
Speaker 1: not guilty. Anything further from either side, No, your honor,
Speaker 1: all right, jury charge has been submitted to the jury.
Speaker 1: Court is in recess while they deliberate. Sure, if it
Speaker 1: is my last rounds, then it's my last round. It's not.
Speaker 1: It's not either way. I have to do the best
Speaker 1: I can write, finish out on a high note or
Speaker 1: a strong note, or you know, do do nothing and
Speaker 1: then guarantee to be finished. But I know that my
Speaker 1: future is going to be doing this for real. So
Speaker 1: it's and a mock trial, but it's going to be
Speaker 1: the start of real trial. It was good, It was
Speaker 1: It was a fun round. I learned for my mistakes
Speaker 1: yesterday and I really did like go in here thinking
Speaker 1: this is the last round I could ever do for
Speaker 1: mock trial, Like there's right here and I knew that.
Speaker 1: I was like, I have to give it my all.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Absolutely, congratulations. You guys are ratest experience. You
Speaker 1: guys are stuff amazing, amazing, great performance out of the side.
Speaker 1: You're better than nine percent of the lawyers that appear
Speaker 1: that I am. I am very encouraged about the future.
Speaker 1: The good guardians of the Seventh Amendment because it's under attack,
Speaker 1: so be very good guardians of that. Preserve that right
Speaker 1: to the jury in this country because people are trying
Speaker 1: to erode. We're leaving your hands protected. We're leaving it
Speaker 1: in your hands. Yeah, te Yeah, they say, Mary's Texas. Yes,
Speaker 1: yourself called, yes, failer, Yes, wonderful, delightful. Congratulations you guys
Speaker 1: you made to the very end. And I can't tell
Speaker 1: you how thrilled I am that we are done, but
Speaker 1: NEEDS say I am tremendously proud of all of you.
Speaker 1: The rounds you did, the work you did. I know
Speaker 1: you guys have worked so freaking hard to get to
Speaker 1: this moment where two of y'all will be going to
Speaker 1: see it for it worth. In April, in the round
Speaker 1: of three forty nine Baylor versus three forty six South
Speaker 1: Texas College of Law, there's going to be three six
Speaker 1: South Texas talk again. Uh. In the round of one
Speaker 1: seventy six versus one sixty three, the winner was six
Speaker 1: eraduate absolutely great. We can congratulating, go up and done
Speaker 1: as well. Resolutions represent us. I mean, they were good,
Speaker 1: they were something they deserve to be there. They deserve
Speaker 1: to be in the final, they deserve to represent us
Speaker 1: in national So you would have too. Y'all are gladiators,
Speaker 1: and y'all got in there, I mean killed it. And
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I mean, they just
Speaker 1: had a team that didn't make mistakes. Really, you know
Speaker 1: they did, they were just you know, yeah, I knew
Speaker 1: we were working on I know, I know what happened,
Speaker 1: But I think you're an idiot if you don't know
Speaker 1: what happened. Oh, no, fantastic, right, And we always said
Speaker 1: that the road of the championship goes through Veylor, and
Speaker 1: we did that and it was a real emotional high.
Speaker 1: And we didn't help them get ready for that next one.
Speaker 1: We didn't separate the two because you saw some mistakes
Speaker 1: immediately that you hadn't seen all weekend except for the
Speaker 1: first round. They were still good, they were still competitive,
Speaker 1: and it's only a couple of point difference between the ballots.
Speaker 1: But I think the emotional high of one making the
Speaker 1: break and then two, you know, beating the number two
Speaker 1: team in the country and a team that has dominated
Speaker 1: this region for twelve years, it wasn't It was a
Speaker 1: real emotional high, and I really thought that we were
Speaker 1: you know, that's you know, don't count your chickens, right, um.
Speaker 1: And then I was watching it on the simulcas and
Speaker 1: I realized that there's we just can't. God, I wanted
Speaker 1: to win. I wanted to win for them. It's hard,
Speaker 1: and it's my reaction has nothing to do with my teammates.
Speaker 1: It's just really hard. It's just like how they cookie crumbled.
Speaker 1: You know. I don't understand how we lost to them.
Speaker 1: I need to talk to like coach, like what happened?
Speaker 1: What went wrong? I think that was probably my most
Speaker 1: rout of this tournament. I don't know, kept it up
Speaker 1: for all these rounds and then slipt. Yeah, that's gonna
Speaker 1: I'll be something that haunts at me for a while.
Speaker 1: You're a better swing than I could ever be learned
Speaker 1: at all from you. I'm glad to have made it
Speaker 1: back on the team. It's such a good captain. No
Speaker 1: one else could do it like you. I never forget that.
Speaker 1: I'll always be grateful. Always stop. I'm already crying. Cool, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but some things need to be said. Thanks. Of course,
Speaker 1: that's what friends are for. I am in your abilities.
Speaker 1: Could always be sad right now? Are you treeting us?
Speaker 1: Of course? I mean I I think that's cruel to
Speaker 1: the humane enough. You know what in fetus when we left,
Speaker 1: do we have a head count as everyone in the bay,
Speaker 1: we got six advocates, Kristen, seat belts please head all right? Okay,
Speaker 1: you took down the bear, you took down the king.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, that is completely awesome. Um, and I mean god,
Speaker 1: you cannot have been closer, just could not have been closer. Um,
Speaker 1: I think, um, I think you guys should hold your
Speaker 1: Head's really odd. A j drives the team. Hope it's
Speaker 1: quiet in the van this time. There isn't the chatting,
Speaker 1: the phone calls, the joking around for the three ls.
Speaker 1: The mock trill season is ending. They'll move on to
Speaker 1: finish classes, take the bar exam, get jobs. They've just
Speaker 1: gone through an amazing weekend with the highest levels of achievement,
Speaker 1: a lot of surprises, and a heartbreak at the end.
Speaker 1: But through it all it's forged even stronger bonds between them.
Speaker 1: Almost more than anything else. The story of the St.
Speaker 1: Barry's Mock Trial team, it's a story of friendship. All right,
Speaker 1: Here we go again, can't wait to get back all
Speaker 1: the ruin again. Love is making music. Um the show.
Speaker 1: I'll do the background. You know when we're we're in
Speaker 1: the core house. You were inquired. That's a conversation for
Speaker 1: another day. Look, you need to hear about it that sort.
Speaker 1: You ever feel like you've been in a boxing match
Speaker 1: with the person that taught you how to box, It's
Speaker 1: like not, it's yeah, I mean it's a lot. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like going against a child or something where
Speaker 1: you know you're proud of him, but you're also trying
Speaker 1: to beat him. Um, and I do want to be
Speaker 1: them because I think it's justice from my client. That's
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