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Speaker 2: Backslash NFL Welcome to Move the Sticks.

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Speaker 1: I'm Bucky Brooks and I am here with my man Alz.

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Speaker 1: Lance Zerline is stepping in for Daniel Jeremiah and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk all things football today. But before we do it,

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Speaker 1: Agetown putting it down with up Lance.

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Speaker 3: I'm just subpacking rusher, just trying to come in and

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Speaker 3: create havoc and disrupt the pocket. That's all I'm trying

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I love that we can call you anytime, just like

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Speaker 1: Mike Jones. I can't pay you one hundred K to

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Speaker 1: come and for the show, but I appreciate that in Agetown,

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Speaker 2: Mike Jones like that.

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Speaker 1: And I look, I respect the fact that I'm able

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Speaker 1: to bring you on a week and talk all of

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Speaker 2: How hot Ben Johnson is. He is the flavor of

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about game of the week, the Green

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Speaker 1: I think we'll talk about a little bit about this

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Speaker 1: college football playoff, the semi finals, and who you expect

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Speaker 1: talk about it. Let's talk about Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson

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Speaker 1: is hot. Everyone loves him. He's certainly been putting on

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Speaker 1: the show with the Lions. They lead the NFL and

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Speaker 1: One, tell me what you think about Ben Johnson, the

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Speaker 1: And two, why do you believe so many people are

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean everyone's I'm going to reverse order, I

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Speaker 4: And you remember Bucky you there in Los Angeles, people

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Speaker 4: Why do you guys spend a lot of time?

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Speaker 3: Why are you interviewing players who are not You don't

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Speaker 3: older quarterback. And I remember asking Chris Ballad on the

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Speaker 3: Richardson and he made a comment about, you know, how

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Speaker 3: talented he was or just you know, he'd made some throws.

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Speaker 4: And I said, but you can't possibly take him. You

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Speaker 4: got to win, and he made a comment that I

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Speaker 4: had a lot of respect for.

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Speaker 3: He said, I'm going to do whatever I think is

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Speaker 3: best for the Colts, and if I get fired, I

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Speaker 3: get fired. But I gotta make moves that I think

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Speaker 3: for So even if a guy takes two or three

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Speaker 3: years and I'm not still here, if it's best for

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Speaker 3: mister ursay and it's best for the Colts, and we

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Speaker 3: develop it and he becomes a good player even after

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Speaker 3: I'm gone, then that's that's what my job is to do.

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Speaker 4: And you want your.

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Speaker 3: General managers not trying to cover their own asses, but

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Speaker 3: as head coaches, you want them trying to make moves

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Speaker 3: that are best for the organization. But when you're firing

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Speaker 3: these guys so fast, how do you not run? You know,

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Speaker 3: how do you not operate in cya mode? And another

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Speaker 3: point that you made about quarterbacks and interesting trend is

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Speaker 3: I think developing and it speaks to what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: The second round is becoming like that's a dead round

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Speaker 3: for quarterbacks. If you if a guy thinks, if a

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Speaker 3: team thinks you can be a quarterback, we're taking you

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Speaker 3: in one.

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Speaker 4: And if we don't think your.

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Speaker 3: Face of the franchise and we don't think you're a franchise.

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Speaker 3: We're taking you in three. And the Kindy picket.

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Speaker 4: Draft was one guy in the first and everyone else

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Speaker 4: went in the.

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Speaker 3: Three Matt Corral, Desmond Ritter, Malik Willis, they don't even

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Speaker 3: mess with the second round on quarterbacks. And I get

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Speaker 3: it because guess what, you still get fired off a

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Speaker 3: second round quarterback.

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Speaker 4: You still second round still have that juice. It will

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Speaker 4: get you fired where third rounders are like, eh, they're backups.

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Speaker 3: They're backups and maybe we scratch off a lottery ticket

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Speaker 3: and get lucky.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the promise of it is literally the draft

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Speaker 1: position kind of sets you up to fail if you

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Speaker 1: don't hit it on the breakout.

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Speaker 2: So let's take a break. Lance. When we come back,

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Speaker 2: we will preview the game of the week.

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Speaker 1: All right, it's time for Game of the Week, presented

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Speaker 1: by Draft Kings Sportsbook. This week it's the Green Bay

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Speaker 1: Packers taking on the Philadelphia Eagles. The spread is minus

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Speaker 1: four and a half favorite the Eagles the over unders

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Speaker 1: forty five.

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Speaker 2: And a half.

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Speaker 1: And Lance, we just spent that first segment talking about

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and quarterback play and those things, and.

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Speaker 2: Here we have two quarterbacks. If Jalen Hurst plays that are.

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Speaker 1: Really intriguing, really been developed in different ways, but they're really.

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Speaker 2: Critical to both team's success.

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Speaker 1: When we talk about the Philadelphia Eagles and the running

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Speaker 1: game and all the different things that they bring, look

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Speaker 1: they bring to the table. What stands out to you

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Speaker 1: about the Eagles in this contest and what they got

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Speaker 1: to get done on offense?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the Eagles for me has been you know,

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Speaker 3: the play of Quinnon Mitchell so raggedy in the secondary

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Speaker 3: last year in pass pro, and he's really added to

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Speaker 3: see a rookie ad that element of stability on the

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Speaker 3: back end. I think that's that's a big part of it.

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Speaker 3: But I mean it starts in the ends with Saquon Barkley.

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Speaker 3: This has been the year of the running back and

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Speaker 3: maybe no one more my draft grades. I joked that

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Speaker 3: my draft grades are looking a whole lot better this year,

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Speaker 3: Bucky on guys like Sam Darnald, Like, oh see, maybe

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Speaker 3: I wasn't wrong on Sam Donald.

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Speaker 4: You know they took about five years, six years, Oh

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Speaker 4: maybe I wasn't. You know Saquon.

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Speaker 3: I had this unbelievably high grade on Saquon and we

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Speaker 3: didn't see it ever. Materialize in the Giants, but you

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Speaker 3: see it this year. So I think the addition of

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Speaker 3: that big time running back and Saquon Barkley takes a

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Speaker 3: tremendous amount of pressure off of Hurts, off of the

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Speaker 3: play caller, off of the team to generate, to find

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Speaker 3: a way to generate offense. When Hurts isn't throwing the ball. Well,

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Speaker 3: you got a guy now that you can throw swing

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Speaker 3: passes to, or you can give the ball to him

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Speaker 3: twenty five times, and Sequon can go win a game.

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Speaker 3: And I think we you know, there's been I get

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Speaker 3: the analytics behind the running back arguments over the years

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Speaker 3: and historically, yes, you can find running backs outside of

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Speaker 3: the first round.

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Speaker 4: I get it.

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Speaker 3: But when you have a really good running back, it

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Speaker 3: makes everyone's life easier. Kyron Williams makes things easier on

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Speaker 3: the rams. He wasn't even a it was a Day

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Speaker 3: three pick. I don't care where you're picked. When you

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Speaker 3: have a guy that can control tempo, they can get

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Speaker 3: tough yards and they can score touchdowns in a variety

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Speaker 3: of ways. I think it's it's what has turned Detroit

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Speaker 3: into Detroit with their two headed monster. And I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, in a way the two headed monster of

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Speaker 3: Hurts and Saquon Barkley. It makes them a more consistent team.

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Speaker 3: They're less likely to have the huge ups and downs.

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Speaker 3: So I think what I love about him is that

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Speaker 3: it hurts him playing well.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't anymore. It could be a saque.

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Speaker 2: Game, you know.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing, and I think that's the thing

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Speaker 1: that everyone has to understand, Like the more balanced you are,

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Speaker 1: the ability to have the running game.

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Speaker 2: And it's not lost on me that most.

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Speaker 1: Of the teams in the playoffs have really, really good

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Speaker 1: workhorse running backs that can alleviate some of the pressure

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Speaker 1: on them. These two teams we're talking about Phil Eagles

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Speaker 1: with Sayore Barkley, but the Green Bay Packers having Josh

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Speaker 1: Jacobs who had nearly fourteen hundred yards and gave them

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Speaker 1: the juice that they needed. It alleviated some of the

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Speaker 1: pressure on Jordan Love to have to do everything. And

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Speaker 1: when you have the ability to run the ball, what

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Speaker 1: it does is it creates they play opportunities on the perimeter,

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Speaker 1: whether it's the deep ball off play action, whether it's

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Speaker 1: a tight boxes we're going to stretch from side to

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Speaker 1: side with the screens and the swing game all of

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Speaker 1: those things matter, and to me, when we look at

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Speaker 1: the eas the Eagles can get away with Jalen Hurst

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Speaker 1: and not having his a game, the Packers can't. The

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Speaker 1: Packers need Jordan Love to play at a high level

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Speaker 1: because all eyes are going to be on Jordan Love.

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Speaker 1: We know Vig Fangio is going to try and minimize

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Speaker 1: his impact. Jordan Love is going to have to make

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Speaker 1: the Eagles pay when they either load the box or

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Speaker 1: when they have those opportunities to attack down the field.

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Speaker 1: But let me say this, and we said it in

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Speaker 1: the draft two years ago when Jalen Carter was coming

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Speaker 1: out prior to the all field issues cloud near evaluation.

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Speaker 1: That's why you need to grade the player on tape.

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Speaker 1: You can put like the little addendums about his character,

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Speaker 1: but Jalen Clark is exactly who we thought he was

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Speaker 1: going to be when he came into the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if I remember, he was my top rated player

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Speaker 3: in that draft, and just Jeffrey Simmons. I remember he

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Speaker 3: had some stuff also, he was injured and I had

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Speaker 3: him way up there as well when.

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Speaker 4: He was coming out.

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Speaker 3: Those are two guys that look physically dominant and play

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Speaker 3: physically dominant on tape, and once you throw those guys

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Speaker 3: in an environment of professional football, with professional weight training,

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Speaker 3: professional nutrition, if you have any desire to be great,

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Speaker 3: you're more than likely going to grasp that opportunity.

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Speaker 4: And once that happens, the traits and the talent explode.

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Speaker 3: And so it should not be a surprise that Jalen

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Speaker 3: Carter is doing what he's doing because it was all

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Speaker 3: on tape. I mean, he was the most talented prospect

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Speaker 3: in that draft. You understand why fell, but you also

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Speaker 3: understand why a team like Philadelphia said, ooh, we're going

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Speaker 3: to move up and get the best player in a

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Speaker 3: draft and we'll figure out the other stuff because we're

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Speaker 3: not passing on this opportunity, this talent. You get burned,

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Speaker 3: You can get burned by it from time to time,

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Speaker 3: but at this point it looks like in you know,

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Speaker 3: an unbelievable steal and one of the catalysts for you know,

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Speaker 3: a chance to make another Super Bowl run, because frankly,

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Speaker 3: you look at the injuries that Detroit has and it's

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Speaker 3: it's astounding that they are not only still standing but thriving.

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Speaker 4: But can they do it through the rest of the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: We have to.

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Speaker 3: See especially when you look at the defensive talent on

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Speaker 3: that Eagles roster, that is that's something that is you know,

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Speaker 3: is going to make life a little bit more difficult

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Speaker 3: for anyone playing them this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so okay, so who you got in this one? Lance,

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Speaker 1: Because I'm looking at the Packers the ability to turn

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Speaker 1: it over.

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Speaker 2: I like their defense.

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Speaker 1: You can't cant out the Packers' ability to create a

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Speaker 1: big play in the kicking game. Because Rich Pasati one

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Speaker 1: of the best special teams coach coaches out there.

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Speaker 2: They can they can make the game kind of money.

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Speaker 1: But I will say this, and I've told people this before,

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Speaker 1: sometimes there's more pressure on the home team in these

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Speaker 1: playoff games because when you're the home team, if you

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Speaker 1: happen to fall behind.

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Speaker 2: All the inks, all the anxiety you can feel in

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Speaker 2: the stadium.

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Speaker 1: So to me, it is all about the Eagles having

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Speaker 1: to jump out on them from the jump, because if

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Speaker 1: they don't, you know, They're fans will turn on them.

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Speaker 4: I just I don't see the Eagles losing this. I

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Speaker 4: think the Eagles win. I think they cover.

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Speaker 3: I think you know, I look at this and I think, Josh,

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Speaker 3: it's going to be a lot harder to run between

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Speaker 3: the tackles, and that's been one of the magic of

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Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs and Green Bay is that they've been able

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Speaker 3: to run between the tackles and he can go break

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Speaker 3: tackles and extend runs. But I think that Josh Jacobs

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Speaker 3: the action make it spilled a little bit wider.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if the wide receivers from Green Bay,

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Speaker 4: if you really have a group.

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Speaker 3: Of guys that can take over, I do know you

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Speaker 3: have it with the Eagles, and I just think Eagles

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Speaker 3: have been there.

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Speaker 4: They've done that.

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Speaker 3: They've got two great running backs, but one I think

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Speaker 3: is a little bit better with Sakuon Barkley. And then

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Speaker 3: when you look at the trenches, I give the trench

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Speaker 3: advantage to the Eagles.

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Speaker 4: So I think there's a lot of things flowing in

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Speaker 4: Eagles favor.

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Speaker 3: I know that you know, Jalen Hurts just made it

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Speaker 3: back from the concussions, so that's obviously something you have

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Speaker 3: to keep an eye on. But as we've talked about previously,

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Speaker 3: you mentioned Jordan Love, Jordan Loves got to have a

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Speaker 3: big game.

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Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts doesn't have to have a big game to

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Speaker 4: win this one.

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Speaker 3: So I think there's too much right now, there's too

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Speaker 3: much pressure on his should I think there's no margin

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Speaker 3: for error on Green Bay side, where there is some

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Speaker 3: margin freyre where you still win if you're Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: That's one of the reasons I really like Philly here.

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Speaker 4: I like them to win by a touchdown or more.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so we're both gonna take things because

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Speaker 1: I just went on that riff about them being there.

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Speaker 2: But there are more talented team. They're a team that

659
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Speaker 2: should move on. They have it going. Let's just see

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Speaker 1: So Lance, right before we go, you know, we got

667
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Speaker 1: to talk about these college football playoff games. We have

668
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: Ohio State take it on Texas. I know everyone in

669
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: your state is really hook them horns.

670
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: They're excited about the law.

671
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 4: Not everyone, not everyone, Bucky. Oh, I mean, there's a

672
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 4: lot of Aggie's in the state. There's a lot of

673
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 4: people I don't like Texas.

674
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Speaker 1: I just felt like all you guys would have your

675
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: horns up ready to go because the school of the State. Yeah,

676
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: so I feel like, Ohi's day Texas. That's gonna be

677
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: talked about. And then Notre Dame versus Penn State, let's

678
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: start on that. When Notre Dame Penn State, when you

679
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: look at that game and you look at the talent

680
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: on both teams, what stands out to you?

681
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: Well, I think Drew Aller. You know, it's a battle

682
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: of the quarterbacks for me. Drew Aller had a nice

683
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: bounce back year this year. You look at Riley Leonard

684
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: and Riley is one of those classic Riley and Will

685
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: Howard have some things in common in terms of how

686
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 3: tough they both are their gamers. They make big plays

687
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: at big times. The games don't get too big for him.

688
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 4: I think Leonard is a better runner than Will Howard.

689
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: But you know, the question is going to be can

690
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: Drew Aller beat Notre Dame from the pocket and then

691
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: can Riley Leonard? Can he stress that really talented defensive

692
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 3: front and pass rush led by Duel Carter from Penn State.

693
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: Is he going to be able to stress those guys

694
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: with his legs. I think this has been a wonderful

695
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 3: year for Marcus Freeman. I'm just so impressed. They lost

696
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 3: a couple of starters on the offensive line early in

697
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: the year, got better and better and better and better.

698
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: They were on the short list of our teams that

699
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: we consider putting into uh you know, the the Joe

700
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: Moore Awards semi finalists. They really improved over the over

701
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: the course of the year. They're running a ball well.

702
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: I think defensively they found their their groove. So there's

703
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: a lot of reasons to like Notre Dame. But I

704
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: think the thing that that concerns me the most is

705
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 3: how will Notre Dame's offensive line hold up against the

706
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: rush and.

707
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 4: Then can Notre Dame stop Drew Aller, who I think

708
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 4: is built for games like this.

709
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: You don't always see it, but I think this is

710
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: a game that is the weather's going to be good,

711
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: you know, it's.

712
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 4: Not going to be cold. I think I think it.

713
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 4: I think it benefits Penn State.

714
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 3: I know Penn State is like I think Notre Dame

715
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: is a small favorite because of how they're playing, but

716
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: this is a very even game and I lean a

717
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: little bit to Penn State.

718
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: And yeah, no, it's funny because I look at Notre

719
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: Dame and I will say that you can see the

720
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: work that they've done since they'd lost in.

721
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: Those BCS games.

722
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: You know, over the previous decade, how they've become a bigger,

723
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: more physical team.

724
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: And I'm being honest, like when I watched the old line.

725
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: And didn't get together before the game, and you hear

726
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,719
Speaker 1: their leader talk about, this is the f you game.

727
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna run it down their throat and they're gonna

728
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: do all these things. Notre Dame has an edge to

729
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: them that didn't exist. Marcus Freeman has really done a

730
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: really good job of kind of creating this culture where

731
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: they kind of have some tough guys. In terms of

732
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: the way that they're going. Penn State is I would

733
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: say more dynamic on defense, but really, man, these are

734
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: mirrored images in terms of the way these teams are built.

735
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Notre Dame in this one over

736
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: in Penn State, and I don't really have a reason,

737
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: because look, he comes down to the quarterback play whether

738
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: you have Riley Leonard or Drew Allett. But there's something

739
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: about the way Notre Dame is getting after it, and

740
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna kind of say, I'm gonna say they

741
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: kind of get it done. Maybe it's the hype video.

742
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the Rick Ross hype video that they put out.

743
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the young Jezy thing that they put out

744
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. Their social team has kind of

745
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: swayed me. So that's why I'm going with Notre Dame.

746
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 4: That's good enough. That's good enough for me.

747
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: It's a toss up, all right, Let's go Ohio State Texas.

748
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ohio State is being the team that many of

749
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: us expected them to be when they showed up this season.

750
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: Everyone talks about the twenty million dollars payroll. It didn't

751
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: necessarily come to fruition when they lost to Oregon in

752
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: Michigan during the regular season, but in the playoffs they

753
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: had clearly been the best team.

754
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: How do you think this one goes down?

755
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: Well, you know, on paper, this should be Ohio State.

756
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: You look at it and Texas. No one's played like

757
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: Ohio State has. I mean, they stopped a good Tennessee defense,

758
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 3: they made them look like they were playing in mud,

759
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: and then you know, they completely dominated that Oregon team.

760
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 3: And so you look at You've got the most talented

761
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: receiver in all college football who's a freshman over there.

762
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: But you got three NFL wide receivers at Ohio State

763
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 3: who are going to be on the field at the

764
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 3: same time. Two NFL running backs at Ohio State. You've

765
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 3: got you know, you've got a lot of but the

766
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 3: problem is you've had a lot of injuries.

767
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 4: Uh.

768
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: And NFL left tackle is not going to be playing

769
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: because he's hurt. An NFL center is not going to

770
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: be playing because he's hurt and out for the year.

771
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 3: So it's this weird you know, they tell you that

772
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 3: you went into trenches. Well, you know Texas is beat

773
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 3: up on the offensive line as well. They're not one

774
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: hundred percent healthy. So we got to see what the

775
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: right tackle looks like with Williams and see if Banks

776
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 3: can hold up over the course of a game because

777
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 3: he's had some problems holding up because he's got a

778
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: nagging injury.

779
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

780
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 3: Their center, Jake Major, has made it back. But if

781
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 3: you want to talk about the trenches, it favors Texas

782
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 3: because Texas has a lot of NFL guys up front,

783
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: Like they've got real talent up front.

784
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 4: And I think that's you know, that's where we're going

785
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 4: to have to see.

786
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: Can they pressure that makeshift line of Ohio State so

787
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 3: that the wide receivers don't have time to get open

788
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: because if they, if Will Howard has time to throw,

789
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 3: it's a rap for Texas.

790
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 4: You just it's a rap for anything. You just can't.

791
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 4: You can't beat that level of talent.

792
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 3: Out there, certainly not man to man, so you have

793
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 3: to play a lot of his own potentially.

794
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 4: And then on the other side, is quin yours.

795
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 3: Is he that guy like I don't think he show

796
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: them that he's that guy that can step up. He

797
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 3: couldn't beat Kirby Smart in two times they had a

798
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 3: chance to beat Kirby Smart Georgia, and that's and that's

799
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: a weak Georgia team relative to most Georgia teams, and

800
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 3: quinn Ewers just couldn't step up and get that done.

801
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 3: Can he finally really rise to the occasion in a

802
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 3: spotlight game. If he can't, you have no chance. Now,

803
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: Michigan or Michigan. It was not a good offensive game

804
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: when they beat Oha State, but they took that game

805
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: and put it in in a phone booth.

806
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 4: And I think Ohio State maybe learn something. We're not

807
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 4: that team. We can act like we're not that team.

808
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 4: Well we are that team, but you got to be

809
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 4: who you are.

810
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 3: And if Texas get them to try to play a

811
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: smashmouth game of tech, can get the running game going

812
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: with Wisner. If they can get their running and going

813
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: on the play action game with Matthew Golden opens up,

814
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: they've got a shot. But I mean, I just I

815
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: have to see Quinn yours. Can he take a game

816
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: by the throat and make it his a game of

817
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: this magnitude?

818
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 4: I don't know. Will Howard doesn't really have to.

819
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 3: He just has to get the ball the guys in

820
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: space and let them do their things. Quinn Yours is

821
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: gonna have to go win this game, and I don't

822
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 3: know if he has that juice Bucky, I really don't.

823
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

824
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: No, it's funny because Ohio State is the most down

825
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: to the team and so really, man, if this was

826
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: a gold match, all they need to do is just

827
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: take the three wood out, just hit it in the

828
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: fairway and let their playmakers go. We saw what happened

829
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: when Oregon decided they're gonna let Jeremiah Smith have one

830
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: on one coverage. He absolutely cooked them in a quarter

831
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: and a half and then open it up for the

832
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: rest of the playmakers to go busy, to get busy.

833
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: For Texas, it is about Quinn Ewers finding a way

834
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: to kind of deal with Jim Knowle's defense because Knowles

835
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: is going to bring some funny and some different looks

836
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: at him and he's going to have to be able

837
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: to deliver. And for Quinn Yours, to me, this is

838
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: an opportunity game. This is an opportunity for him to

839
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: kind of put some respect back on his name as

840
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: it relates to the NFL Draft, because at the beginning

841
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: of the season we were talking about him maybe being

842
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: the QB one of the class that went away despite

843
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: him having a really good game against Michigan and some

844
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 1: other moments. If he has a great game against Ohio State,

845
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: it changes the narrative about his game and his potential.

846
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: That's why there's a lot of pressure on him. But

847
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: in spite of that, I think Ohio State Beatson because

848
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: Texas barely beat Arizona State and really should have lost

849
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: to Arizona State. This is Ohio State's to win. I

850
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: think we see Ohio State advance to the championship game.

851
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 4: When you get a couple of coaches who need that

852
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 4: big game win too.

853
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 3: Sark I think are great coaches, I really do. But

854
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 3: it's funny because some narratives build around Sark can't win

855
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: these big games. Right, he lost the SEC championship game.

856
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: He couldn't beat Georgia the first time around. You know,

857
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: last year he lost in that game against Michigan and

858
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 3: the playoffs, and Sark's done a really good job of

859
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 3: building a program.

860
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 4: But this is an opportunity game for Sark as well

861
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 4: and for Ryan Day.

862
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: Hey, you win the title and you wipe out you know,

863
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 3: I don't know that you can completely wipe out the

864
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 3: loss of Michigan. I'm not sure Ohio State fans, I

865
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: don't know if it works that way for them, But

866
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: I mean for me, I'm like, man, Ryan Day, win,

867
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: the big game thing is gone. If you win this game,

868
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 3: you still have to come. You used to have to

869
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: be Michigan.

870
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: But right now they look ridiculous when they talk about

871
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: like potentially firing Ryan Day when all he has done

872
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: is just.

873
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: When and when and when, with the exception of you know,

874
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: the Michigan game.

875
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: So it'd be great we'll get a chance to talk

876
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: about it after it's all said and done. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you jumping on quickly to talk about Ben Johnson, to

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Speaker 1: preview the game of the week, and to talk about

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Speaker 1: college football playoffs.

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Speaker 2: I'm Bucket Brucks, just Land Ze. This was moved to six.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: H m hmmm yeah, mhm