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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to another episode of Cutting the

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Speaker 1: Distance podcast. Today, I've got Steve Morgenstern, i got James Harrison,

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Speaker 1: and these are the masterminds behind our small batch calls.

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Speaker 1: So I thought, you know, I came out here to

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Speaker 1: film some content around the small batch calls, and I

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Speaker 1: was thinking, well, while I'm here, I might as well

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Speaker 1: get these guys together and let them chew the fat

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Speaker 1: a little bit, so to speak about building calls, calling

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Speaker 1: turkeys and anything these guys want to talk about. So

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Guys. What's the first thing on

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Speaker 1: your mind? James, I feel like you got a lot

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Speaker 1: to say.

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Speaker 2: Usually it's almost turkey season, so that's what's on my

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Speaker 2: mind right now. Is uh, you know, we just got

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Speaker 2: done wrapping out the NWTF convention and stuff like that,

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Speaker 2: so we are full pull on turkey mode right now.

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Speaker 2: Everything turkey right it is. Winter has been long and

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Speaker 2: we were ready for spring to get here. Here's some

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Speaker 2: birds goblin and get out of state and Missouri and

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Speaker 2: kill some turkeys.

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Speaker 1: Right So, these guys would never probably pat theirselves on

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Speaker 1: the back, or well I know James would. Steve, I

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Speaker 1: can't reach my back. My shoulders from patent it no no,

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Speaker 1: or they wouldn't you know, tooth thrown horn. But these

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Speaker 1: guys are some very accomplished callers, so they do a

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Speaker 1: competition calling for for turkeys, whether it's friction, whether it's

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Speaker 1: mouth diaphragm, whether it's awl hooting. Until a year ago,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about al hooting, and let alone,

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know there was a contest, So it

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Speaker 1: was kind of like, wait, what they hoot in a contest?

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Speaker 1: How hard could it be? Well, it turns out it's

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Speaker 1: a little harder to think I can alhoot with my voice,

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Speaker 1: but enter James Harrison's Harrison hooter. So immediately I think

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna blow this thing like a like a elk call.

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Speaker 1: And I can't do it right. I can't do it

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Speaker 1: at all. So it took a little bit of time.

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Speaker 1: Had to watch his instructional videos that we have on

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Speaker 1: Phelps Game Calls YouTube channel, and after watching him do it,

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Speaker 1: you know, explain it, and then watching his his facial expressions,

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Speaker 1: his his the way he moved his mouth and his jaw,

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Speaker 1: the way he was pushing air through it, I was

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Speaker 1: actually able to do it. Now if you put me

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Speaker 1: on the spot right now. I probably wouldn't do it

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Speaker 1: very good, right, sound terrible, but we.

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Speaker 3: Need to get him out real quick.

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Speaker 4: We have this on video.

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Speaker 1: Steve, he's a great al hooter too, I guess. I

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Speaker 1: guess James is kind of like the o G like

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Speaker 1: he's been doing al hooton for a long time and

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Speaker 1: then somehow drug Steve into al hooting and uh.

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Speaker 4: Made me do it.

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Speaker 2: Well, the reason Steve's out hooting is because he's good

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Speaker 2: at and the reason I'm not friction calling in contest

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Speaker 2: is because I am terrible at it. So and that's

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Speaker 2: just that's the if anybody knows this, that's the honest truth.

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Speaker 3: That is a friction calling is not my forte.

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Speaker 1: You want me to try one of these things, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: yes we did. We want to see this happen. We're

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Speaker 1: just going to wipe your cooties officing, all right. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do just like James said, So you take

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Speaker 1: your hand and make a little signal okay down at

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Speaker 1: the end of the barrel here, and then you're gonna

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Speaker 1: want to put your hand over this cuppet like you're

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Is exactly how he said it before and you don't

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Speaker 1: want to seal off the air. You don't want to

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Speaker 1: let enough come through. So the first thing you want

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Speaker 1: it like we're blown out a birthday cake. We're just

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Speaker 1: So first those first few noises.

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Speaker 4: Get made.

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Speaker 1: The dog, yill, my dog, my black lab, goes nuts.

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Speaker 1: He starts howling and barking every time I start al

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Speaker 4: So yeah, our dog at home, he hope come here.

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Speaker 4: If he's sleeping when you start al hooting or turkey

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Speaker 1: Well, this is Ranger here.

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Speaker 3: He's part of the Sweet Dream security team.

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Speaker 2: So anytime I'm up here in the shop, the lab

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Speaker 2: checking on everything. But he's uh, he's the supervisor of

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Speaker 1: So so okay, give me a grade like, uh zero

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Speaker 2: Oh no, No, you're you've got the tone right, you're

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Speaker 2: doing it. I mean, you've got the hand placement. The

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Speaker 2: big thing is is guys need to practice the call,

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Speaker 2: and everybody's hands a little different and stuff like that,

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Speaker 2: you're you've got You're over the hurdle.

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Speaker 3: Put it like that, right.

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Speaker 2: Next step is the more you practice it, the better

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Speaker 2: you're gonna get. The more real owls you listen to.

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Speaker 3: That's the key.

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Speaker 2: I listened to a lot of real owls, and the

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Speaker 2: more I listen to him, then I just start to

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Speaker 2: mimic them, just like elk or anything and it goes

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Speaker 3: So that works great. And I can't even do a

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Speaker 4: The thing with the owl hut that I found is,

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Speaker 4: I mean I've been a I've blown one, you know before.

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Speaker 4: But when you get to James and uh, he can

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Speaker 4: tell you what you need to you know where you

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Speaker 4: need to go with it, and it's it's a uh,

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Speaker 4: it's just a matter of of knowing where to be

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Speaker 4: when I started getting back into you know, we're getting

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Speaker 4: into the owl contest. You know, he's like, well that's good,

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Speaker 4: but here's here's where you go. And not necessarily does

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Speaker 4: a person I wouldn't think need to do that hunting wise,

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Speaker 4: because you're trying to get a turkey to cobble, which

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Speaker 4: But when you start getting into that, once you get

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Speaker 4: to do that. So you start thinking and learning. That's

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Speaker 4: where James helped me a lot. You know, it was

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Speaker 4: no brainer when you're trying to make a turkey gob

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Speaker 4: But you can do whatever you want to do because

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Speaker 4: you've done it. You know, you've learned how to do

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Speaker 4: it and made it happen. Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, James said one thing about what I really

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Speaker 1: keyed in on is he listened to a lot of

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Speaker 1: real owls hooting, right, and you went out and played

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Speaker 1: with the owls. That's how I kind of have gotten

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Speaker 1: better at ELK calling over the years, is listening to

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Speaker 1: mimic my favorite YouTube celebrity. I'm trying to mimic ELK,

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Speaker 1: real live Elk, and as good as a guy can get,

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Speaker 1: it's just still just just like there's that nuance, like, man,

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Speaker 1: I've just that Elk is way better than me. And

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Speaker 1: is that? Would you say that the true with owls?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: No matter how good I build that out hooter or

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Speaker 2: real owls right there in front of you, it just

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Speaker 2: humbles you because you cannot do what they're doing naturally.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're working with plastic and wood and stuff

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Speaker 2: and I think we're I think we're there, but to

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Speaker 2: be on you know, Turkeys Elk.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what it is.

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Speaker 4: You know, well, yeah, I think it's I think that's

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Speaker 4: exactly right, because you've even mentioned that. You know, no

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Speaker 4: you know, it's like, man, I'm not taking good And

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Speaker 4: that's that's the way with the ol Hooters, the Turkey calls.

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Speaker 4: You know, this stuff has progressed so good nowadays that

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Speaker 4: I mean, the stuff that they had twenty years ago,

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Speaker 4: But when you put them side by side, where you

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Speaker 4: have the real thing, whether it be an al An

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Speaker 4: this now, it's better than it used to be. But

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Speaker 4: it's still not. It's that it's that those tones that

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Speaker 1: Right, Sam with Elk calls el calls have come a lot.

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Speaker 1: Like I started calling ELK in nineteen eighty nine, and

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Speaker 1: back then, you know, you had frames, you had the

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Speaker 1: vacuum cleaner hose tubes. It was it was a whole

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Speaker 1: other world. You know, there was not much for even

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Speaker 1: in ELK. But ELK they would reply. There was lots

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Speaker 1: I think deer calls. Everything is like progressed over the

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Speaker 4: Oh, sure it has. And just like you know when

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Speaker 4: you talk about ELK would respond to it. I mean

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Speaker 4: that's like back in the day, you know when I

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Speaker 4: started with mouth called had little lead frames and you

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Speaker 4: voice out hooters and stuff and listen, some of them

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Speaker 4: are horrendous, But turkeys would respond, right, And that's the

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Speaker 4: ultimate goal of what any of us are trying to do.

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Speaker 4: You know, the contest stuff is fun and I enjoy it.

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Speaker 4: James enjoys it. You know, I've done it thirty four years.

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Speaker 4: You know, this is my thirty fourth year doing it.

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Speaker 4: But it's still not you know, walking out on the

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Speaker 4: stage to Grand Nationals is something I love and that's

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Speaker 4: why I still do it. But it's still not like

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Speaker 4: walking out to the timber and having a response and

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Speaker 4: and you know that turkey goblin and coming to you,

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Speaker 4: or hit the out hooter and that turkey blows up,

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Speaker 4: you know, fifty yards away or seventy five yards away.

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Speaker 4: But the ultimate goal is to have that response, you know,

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Speaker 4: get that response from oh yeah, from whatever it.

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Speaker 2: Is, the more realism you can put in it. And

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Speaker 2: I want it to be as so realistic that other

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Speaker 3: You got the real deal right in front of you.

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Speaker 3: What's better? You know, same way with a bunch of

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Speaker 4: That's the you know, Plus you can you can sit

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Speaker 4: I know it sounds like it when I play one, James, there's.

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Speaker 2: And now that's what's cool about it, because there's not

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Speaker 2: Where I can grab a hawk scream and it's something

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Speaker 1: Right. Well, I think, you know, as a as a hunter,

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Speaker 4: to go with it because that's what's working at that

431
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 4: particular time, you know. And and it's just it's it's

432
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 4: crazy sometimes what a guy can do with different sounds

433
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 4: of different same call, different striker mouth call, but a

434
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 4: different read configuration or cut.

435
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 2: Oh I can I can even do one farther on

436
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,479
Speaker 2: you're talking about the calls. Everybody like I run an

437
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 2: ou houter, you run an out houter. We take the

438
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 2: same out hooter and passed around, you'll have three different owls.

439
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 1: Because everybody runs a different same.

440
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 2: Way the mouth calls, the friction calls. Steve runs his

441
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 2: fiction call great, it sounds like a real turkey. I

442
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 2: run it, and it sounds like a dying turkey.

443
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 3: But it kills turkey, you know.

444
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 4: I mean it's not that bad.

445
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 3: It's pretty bad.

446
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 4: It's got some issues.

447
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 3: I'm working on it.

448
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 4: It's got some but there's some turkey in it, very little, and.

449
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 3: So it's a weed. It's a turkey, but it's it's what.

450
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 3: That's the thing though.

451
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 2: Everybody can grab those calls and they're gonna have a

452
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 2: different sound to them, and that's that's a good thing

453
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 2: about it, you know. And you can grab a call

454
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 2: and run it, and everybody's gonna run it just a

455
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 2: little bit different. It's gonna sound like a different turkey,

456
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: but it's got as much turkey in as possible.

457
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: That just like diaphragms. So there's a handful of Western guys,

458
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: I know, they're just like, Oh, I just use my

459
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: elk read to call in turkeys. And it's not the

460
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 1: least bit a rasp there. It's not as perfect sound

461
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: a turkey, but it kind of sounds like a turkey.

462
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: Dam They call in turkeys with him until that quits working,

463
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: I guess run it. But if you're if you're trying

464
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: to be serious, then I think you need to have

465
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: like a your quiver full of arrows, so to speak.

466
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: You need to have a few different call options, different

467
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 1: sound profiles that way, because you never know. You don't

468
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: go fishing with just one bluer, right, take a whole

469
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 1: box of them.

470
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the thing, you know, it's not I'm

471
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 4: not saying a person has to pack fourteen pot calls,

472
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 4: three box calls, and twenty mouth calls. You know, you

473
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 4: can do, like James said, with an illuminum call. If

474
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 4: you put a luminum call and a slate call and

475
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 4: a glass call would be all. You would never need

476
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 4: change them up, you know, if you got more of

477
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 4: them at home or whatever, you want to change sounds

478
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,719
Speaker 4: or what have you. But put different pegs with it,

479
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 4: you know, different strikers, you know, get a get a

480
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 4: striker that runs greater on that aluminum. Well, when that

481
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 4: doesn't work, maybe you pick up a a hickory striker

482
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 4: versus a diamond wood striker versus a carbon striker. You know,

483
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 4: get three different variations on a couple of different calls.

484
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 4: I mean you've got a mirage. Yeah, you've got You've

485
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 4: got a tremendous amount, you know, and the mouth calls.

486
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 4: Mouthcalls don't take that much room. It put your put

487
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 4: you a combo cut or a bat wing or a

488
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 4: you know, a cutter style or or even just a

489
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 4: clear double read you know, something like that that that

490
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 4: you could that you could put in. That's where the

491
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 4: triple locator call comes in too. It gives you a

492
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 4: variance of if you can't get him to gobble with one,

493
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 4: try something different. And that's the thing, man, don't I mean,

494
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 4: you know, you can't be afraid to try something right,

495
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 4: And that's why you have and you have all of

496
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 4: these tools in this little space. Yeah, and you're not

497
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 4: walking by turkeys that didn't want to hear that one

498
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 4: mouthful you had, right.

499
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: Well, that can be one of the frustrations of turkey

500
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: on it is just you can't get him to gobble, right.

501
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: That's so then you're hunting them like deer. Right, You're

502
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: going to try to find where they're they're crossing, or

503
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: they're going to a place to feed, or where they're

504
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: going to go strut or whatever. And I mean that's

505
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: that's okay, but it's not as fun as calling him in.

506
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 1: Calling him in, that's the thing.

507
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: That's where you want to see him gobble and the

508
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: strut and come in and stuff like that. And I

509
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 2: tell everybody, the more's time you can spend scouting, the

510
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 2: better off you're going to be. But a lot of

511
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 2: times we don't get a chance to scout, so we

512
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: rely a lot on our calls to get them birds going.

513
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 2: And like we got some public ground below me that

514
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: I hunt, it's ninety eight thousand acres. Well, dude, if

515
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 2: them birds don't want to gobble that day, go try

516
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 2: to find a turkey in that it's I mean, it's impossible.

517
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,479
Speaker 2: So the more opportunity you present, if he just gobbles

518
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 2: one time, it's just like an oak. You if he

519
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: it's at one time, at least I got a game

520
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: started and then and then we can go from there.

521
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 5: You know.

522
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 4: And you know there's times where there's times where I've

523
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 4: had no luck at all getting anything to gobble and find.

524
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 4: You find you a point high point, you know, to

525
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 4: where you can hear a long ways. Just go up

526
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 4: there and sit down, don't make a sound, don't do anything,

527
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 4: and at some point something you're going to fire off,

528
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 4: whether he means to or not. I mean he's you know,

529
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 4: he gobbles. Then you can make a little like he said,

530
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 4: you've got the game starting to make a little move.

531
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 4: Then you can go and and find what he wants.

532
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 4: You know he's there, so you're not just completely blind

533
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 4: to the oblivious to the whole thing. He just you've

534
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 4: got a little bit of a deal. But then you

535
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 4: start be it whatever whatever call it is.

536
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if it's like day three and they've

537
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 2: been hard headed, I'm gonna go fishing. So you're talking

538
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: about the bass I fished for them.

539
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: It's like bass pro. He's got a lot of lures.

540
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: It's like I don't even have to take anything because

541
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: it's like he's got me covered.

542
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: You probably hang up a lot of them on stumps

543
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: and stuff too, and like oh sorry starts step.

544
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: No, No, he make you go get him, So I

545
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 3: make sure I do my stuff right. But no, I mean,

546
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 3: and that's that's we do that a lot.

547
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 2: You know, we'll go if we ain't got nothing happening,

548
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,719
Speaker 2: we just find a spot where we can hear. And

549
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: you know, another good thing, and I'm sure I mean

550
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: deer hunters do it. Elk hunters do it. Check the

551
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: wind direction, that winds blown a certain way. You know

552
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: you're gonna be able to hear farther if it's you know,

553
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 2: how are you at? So make sure you put yourself

554
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: in a position where you can hear. You know, you

555
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 2: get the best advantage. You know, if it's going to

556
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: be a super windy day like today, the winds gusting

557
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 2: out there, we've got a cold front comes through, you

558
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 2: want to be down them low areas. You know, them

559
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: birds are gonna get out of that wind and they're

560
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 2: gonna be in them low areas, just like if it's

561
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: coming out of a hard you know, you got a

562
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: storm coming up that night, and you know that wind's

563
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: coming out of the west, Well, them turkeys are going

564
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: to be on the back sides of them ridges out

565
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 2: of that as much as possible. So, I mean, there's

566
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: there's advantage of that. And that's more of the woodsmanship

567
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: than the calls. But when you combine, when you know,

568
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: and combine all that together, that's when you you know, that's.

569
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 3: When you're killing turkeys and you're on turkeys.

570
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: Consistency is the key, you know, I mean, you I

571
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: don't judge a hunt by if I kill a turkey

572
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 2: or not. I just want to make sure I play

573
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: the game, you know, And I think that's all you

574
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 2: can ask for when you get out there, is you

575
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: just want to have a day where you get birds

576
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 2: to gobble and you're actually in the game chasing. Because

577
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: we've had those days where you don't get nothing fired

578
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: of them. You just do a whole bunch of walking

579
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: and get in some good exercise. But I'd definitely rather

580
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: get one on the ground and get him working, whether

581
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: I get him killed or not, because every one of

582
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: them is learning experience.

583
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun to play with.

584
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

585
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: So I talked a little earlier about small batch calls.

586
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm down here video and some stuff, and I wanted

587
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: to pick your guys' brains. Maybe some of our followers

588
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: they don't know about our small batch calls. So last year,

589
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: I'll get kind of give the long and short story.

590
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: Last year, twenty twenty three was our first year doing

591
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: small batch calls. So small batch Calls was the Harrison Hooter,

592
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: the Harrison Hooter, pro yep Alt Hooters, and then we

593
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 1: had Steve's O Sage and Aluminum s aluminum and what

594
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: was it like green slight the teak and a green slate,

595
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: so we had exotic domestic woods had some kind of

596
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: cool cool surfaces. I mean, the aluminum is not super uncommon,

597
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: but the green slate's kind of an uncommon slate to

598
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: put on a turkey call. And then this year you've

599
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: got you've got babinga, which is fun to say.

600
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 4: It is fun to say inga.

601
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 5: Binga.

602
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: I think somebody's going to start a game called binga,

603
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 1: kind of like YACHTSI. I mean, everybody wants to say YATSI. Anyway, sorry, binga,

604
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: the binga. What was the other one?

605
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 4: Mulberry?

606
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: Mulberry. So the binga is from the congo in Africa,

607
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: and mulberry is a domestic.

608
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 4: From everybody's backyard. Everybody's got a mulberry tree. Yea, yeah, mulberries.

609
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: I got several. And then you put pair of red

610
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: slate with because the binga is kind of reddish colored wood.

611
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 4: It's a reddish colored wood, and they, I mean number one,

612
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 4: they look good together. But then we you know, we

613
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 4: make it work. Make it make that pair of work.

614
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 4: You know, if that's what you want to do, you

615
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 4: you get the red slate and you cut diments until

616
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 4: it does what you wanted to do.

617
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: So what Steve saying is you don't have this like

618
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: pre thought out dimensional pot and you're just gonna slap

619
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: slay it in. They both have to pair, right, So

620
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: you may have to change some dimensions internal stuff, may

621
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: have to overall dimension. You have to do some cool

622
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: little tweaks or make it sound optimal. Right, you're optimizing

623
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: the wood and the slaves.

624
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and here's this is the thing with the small

625
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 4: batch of doing. It's a small batch way and these

626
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 4: are done basically they're cut on a C and ce meal.

627
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 4: They're not hand turned. But when they get to that

628
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 4: sea and ce mil I've went through and hand turned

629
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 4: them and got all those dimensions right and tweaked it.

630
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 4: And the small batch theory or thought behind it was

631
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 4: we can do all of this stuff and then with

632
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 4: some of the equipment available, make it, you know, get

633
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 4: it down to where you can get the tolerance is

634
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: a lot tighter. So what I'll do is go through

635
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 4: and we've got boubinga and red slate. That's what we

636
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 4: want to make run. So I've got to generalized starting

637
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,959
Speaker 4: spot with it. And I try that, okay, and if

638
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 4: it's too tight or if it's too loose what I mean,

639
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 4: like really high pitch and pinging, it's too tight. If

640
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 4: it's really sounds like it's rattley or something, maybe it's

641
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 4: too loose. So you start adjusting those dimensions and then

642
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 4: end result when you get it where you want it

643
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 4: and the sound that you want and the playability. Now

644
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 4: the red slate versus some of the other stuff is

645
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 4: a little pitchy at times, but that's just the nature

646
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 4: of the beach with red slate. But once you get

647
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 4: it to where you want it, then you take it

648
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 4: to this machine and you put those dimensions in. Now,

649
00:31:53,640 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 4: granted you test it before you run five hundred of

650
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 4: them to make sure that's going to be right, and

651
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 4: if you have any tweets there, then you make those

652
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 4: tweets then. But as a result, then you have as

653
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 4: consistent as you could possibly be with the exception of

654
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 4: like the natural wood or the natural red slate or

655
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 4: something like that. And it you know, it really works

656
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 4: and it and it flows out good, and I mean

657
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 4: I think the results. You know, last year we had

658
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 4: the O Sage illuminum which were phenomenal the tea green slate,

659
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 4: you know, the good ole throaty sound. I mean, but

660
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 4: when we came back this year with them being in

661
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 4: the mulberry, we changed changed dimensions up to make that

662
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 4: combination work. And that's a cool thing about it, you know,

663
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 4: because a lot of these guys when they're when they're

664
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 4: doing this, like you said, they'll take one pot and

665
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 4: they'll put a glass surface, the slate surface, the red

666
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 4: slate or illuminum. That doesn't that doesn't necessarily work because

667
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 4: those combos, you know, and depending on what, regardless of what,

668
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 4: would you know, they got all these different combos and

669
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 4: then they wonder, how come it doesn't play like it

670
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 4: like they want or to. Right, That's when the dimension

671
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 4: thing goes in and again you start to changing things

672
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 4: to match what you want to do. And it's absolutely possible.

673
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 4: I mean, we've done it, you know.

674
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: Now, what about James, you talked about your Hickory hooters

675
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: and your the Hooter pro It's made from a trillic, right,

676
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: But why Hickory? Why did you pick? Well, we went

677
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: with a maple and.

678
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: The maple is just a solid tone wood. So the

679
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: maple's got us. It's just it's tough. First off, we

680
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: wanted a wood that was gonna was staying, you know,

681
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: holding it and packing it and rolling around on it

682
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So we and maple's a great tone wood.

683
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: So it just has a good mellow sound. It's smooth,

684
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: and it's really consistent. When you work with the maple,

685
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: you're you can get a batch in and it's all

686
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: gonna be about the same hardness and consistency all the time.

687
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: And all these small batches, like Steve was talking about,

688
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: he had like five hundred of them, we hand tune

689
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: every one of those.

690
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 3: We get him and we put like he's doing his podcalls.

691
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 2: I know, on the out hooters, I'm shaving the tone boards,

692
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: I'm setting the reeds. I'm doing them, and I run mine.

693
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: I go through twelve steps to get the insert right,

694
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: and then another five times running them before they ever

695
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: go out to phelps. So I mean, these are hands

696
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: on we're building. So the Maples a good tone wood.

697
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 2: It's light, it looks good. The acrylic with the adjustable,

698
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: the adjustable's got so many moving parts.

699
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 3: We needed a.

700
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: Tougher material, so that's why we want the cryllic. The

701
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: sound of acrylic is second and none. It's got a

702
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: good high pitched sharp sound and with the al hooter

703
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: in there, you know, with the insert in there like that,

704
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: we it just it came together great on that as

705
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: far as sound wise.

706
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: Right, So this year your small batch call is a locator.

707
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: It's a triple triple triple look it. So give us

708
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: the rundown on that. Why did you build it like that?

709
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: Why did you put three three calls in one? What? What?

710
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: Why would you want that many locators?

711
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's kind of like we was talking about,

712
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: the more you're out there of your hunting and stuff

713
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 2: like that, and the more more animal noises you can make,

714
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: the better chance you got that turkey to gobble. So

715
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: when I started working on it, originally on the owl Screamer,

716
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: I was doing it for you know, the reason I

717
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: started to develop it was for competition calling, and I

718
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: built for a couple of years, getting the bugs tweaked out,

719
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: and then from there and then when me and Jason

720
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 2: got talking about it and we started playing with a

721
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: little bit we I knew I could do appeliate a

722
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 2: woodpecker call on it, but the hawk call was lacking.

723
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 3: A little bit. So I was like, man, if we

724
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: work on that a little bit, we can tweak that

725
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 3: to get that hawk call in right there.

726
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: And I said, then we'll have three calls and you know,

727
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: three animals and one call.

728
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: I said, how cool would that be?

729
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: You know, I mean we all work for our for

730
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: a living. So I mean, if I can go buy

731
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: a call that has you know, three things in it

732
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: instead of buying three individual calls, that's that's a win

733
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: for me. You know, I'm going to use that. So

734
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: that's what we did. So then it came down to

735
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: the art of I listened to hawks. I went out

736
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: and videoed hawks and listened to them and listen to

737
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: them on YouTube and everything else. And then I took

738
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: my call and was matching it to try to get

739
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: that sound exactly right, same way with the awl scream.

740
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 3: Doing the same thing, and then the pleated woodpecker. So that's,

741
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 3: you know, that's how that all came out on there.

742
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: I would have got foreign there if I could have

743
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 2: found another animal to put in there.

744
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: It'll kind of do a good peacock call. We were

745
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 3: playing with it.

746
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: It'll what about a chupacabra.

747
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: It will do a little bit of a cheep of cabre.

748
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: You drop that overing all the way down. I'll make

749
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 2: some crazy noises. It'll almost duck call, like could do

750
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: a do a duck whistle?

751
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 3: Good? I mean a h what what was we doing earlier?

752
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: We was doing a a wood duck and then you

753
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: can almost drop her down.

754
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: I was doing the Uh. We can do a short

755
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 3: regoose on it.

756
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: You know, you can play with it. You can get

757
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: some interesting sounds out of this low call and uh.

758
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: And that's the same way we set every one of them.

759
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: Make sure there's no birds on the tone boards. I mean,

760
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: these get these are not a mass produced call. That's

761
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: one thing I want you know when they hear the

762
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: words small badges is not a mass produced you know,

763
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 2: nobody's just assemble on them and out the door. These

764
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: things are getting attention all the way through the whole process.

765
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: Well, I know last year when we had those out

766
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: hooters come out and they sold out like fast, like

767
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: they still like pancakes, right, And we're like, man, we

768
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: can need to get some more of those done right away.

769
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: And you're like, well, it just takes time to make them.

770
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: It just takes time to make them.

771
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm a one man shop, I mean, same

772
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 2: as Steve. So when I do my inserts, I'll sit

773
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: down and work on inserts, and you know what I

774
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: do first is I glue everything together. I want I

775
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: cut the over ring grooves because there's you know, here's

776
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: a deal. You're putting over ring grooves and over rings

777
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: on an now hooter insert, well dimensions on that matter.

778
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: I've got them set for a certain dimension because you

779
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: don't want them too tight. You don't want them to loose.

780
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of we're just not slapping stuff

781
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 2: together and putting it in. You know, there's there's thoughts

782
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 2: behind every bit of this process and it's all and

783
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: at the end result is you get a great sound

784
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: and out hooter. And if it doesn't sound good, it

785
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: doesn't go out the door right. We will literally I've

786
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: got a pile over there of ouhooter inserts that don't

787
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: don't make the cut right, so they just don't go out.

788
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: Well.

789
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 4: One thing, you know, like you were talking before, and

790
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 4: that's something on this small batch. I mean, people have

791
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 4: to realize what James and I go through as far

792
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 4: as as doing this. You know, when Jason had me

793
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 4: do that pot call to begin with, he was like,

794
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 4: you know what, how much of this do you want

795
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 4: to do? And whatever. Well, the capabilities of some of

796
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 4: the machines are way above what I'm capable of doing

797
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 4: or what James is capable of doing. But the end

798
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 4: result when it comes back down, every out hooter that

799
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 4: comes out of Phelps has had James's hands on it.

800
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 4: Every pot call that comes out of this small batch

801
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 4: Phelps is my had my hands on him. He runs them,

802
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 4: I run him, you know, before they ever walk out.

803
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 4: I mean I've I've pulled calls. James has pulled calls

804
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 4: because they don't they don't make the grade. And that's

805
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 4: that's something else that maybe not everybody gets, you know,

806
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 4: and understands right well.

807
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: And one thing, you know, like James kind of alluded

808
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: to is you guys got a small shop, Like we've

809
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: been videoing in it, and I've seen videos from last year.

810
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: I'm thought, oh yeah, James shop is a little probably

811
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: twice as size, but it's a very small space. So

812
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: to make any amount of alt hooters for to where

813
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people could buy them is just out

814
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: of the question. I mean, you'd have to work day and night.

815
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: It turned out enough barrels for ol hooters and same

816
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: with you, Like you can you can make those one

817
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: at a time pots at your house, Yeah, but you

818
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: can't like make enough to where it's like, well, you

819
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: know several people like to try them. Well, it's just

820
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: not that kind of an option. So that's why we've

821
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: we we have them to our shop and we have

822
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: them made their te your specs, and then like you know,

823
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: you're constantly working to it with them too. You're working

824
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 1: with them like, hey, guys, we have to make sure

825
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: this spec is Matt, I noticed this. I noticed that

826
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: we need to fix this. We need to fix that,

827
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: just to make sure that your recipe is in the

828
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: end products right.

829
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 3: And it works out good.

830
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: Because I've been a machinist for since in high school,

831
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: so I run all the c and cs, so I

832
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: know what they're talking about. So when we talked to

833
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: you guys about, hey, we need to open this up

834
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: five thousands or me and Steve's talking, we're explaining it

835
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: to each other.

836
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 3: I don't build friction calls.

837
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 2: But when Steve says, hey, this is a little tight,

838
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: we need to open it up, you know we we're

839
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 2: not just guessing at this stuff. I mean, we've got

840
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: this stuff down pad as far as like we know

841
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: what we're talking about on the dimensions. And the cool

842
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 2: thing is when we call and and this has happened

843
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 2: several times the last year. On the first match, I said, hey,

844
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: we need to open this up like five thousands, and

845
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: now she had papers three thousands, So you're almost just

846
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: like two sheets of paper open up and I need

847
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 2: to cham for down in the bottom a whole.

848
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 3: And man, they came back.

849
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: And I mean out of all the out hooters I built, literally,

850
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: there's only been five or six that I've actually called

851
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: because of a machining issue or anything like that. I

852
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: mean that's where you're hand turning them or something like that.

853
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: You're not gonna you can't keep that kind of quality

854
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: of right, you know. So I mean it's cool on

855
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 2: that fact that everybody from Jason all the way through

856
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: it is just as educated on the product as we

857
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: are doing it. So that makes it flow so much better.

858
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I couldn't ask for a better relationship with

859
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: how it all works.

860
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 3: Out and flows. I mean, it flows really well and quality.

861
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 2: You know, it ain't about it ain't about the money

862
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: on mind, it's about the quality of it. You know,

863
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: you're making a product. It's made in America. I mean

864
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: when you this ain't coming from China. This is coming

865
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: Mine's coming from Hillsboro, Missouri. This is coming from Kirksville, Missouri.

866
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, that's it's as words.

867
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: And the machine shops in Washington.

868
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that needs the mesh of the whole thing

869
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 4: is we can take the cush the world to the

870
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 4: production world, make a mash and have a have an

871
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 4: outstanding product and do it in a manner that works

872
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 4: for everybody to where we can we can do a

873
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 4: little bigger number. I'm not talking mass produced, you know,

874
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 4: thousands at a time, but we can do a bigger number,

875
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 4: more so than what James and I can do in

876
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 4: our little one man shops. But we can still keep

877
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 4: our one man shop feel behind it, right and it well.

878
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: I'll have people call me and say I want a

879
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: custom outhuter And then I explained to them, hey, this

880
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 2: is what I do with Phelps all the ways running

881
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: there so like, and they'll ask me, They're like, so

882
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: it's a custom outitter. I said, well, we call it

883
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: small bash, but I mean it's I mean, I hand

884
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: I from the time that eggs, they're all the way

885
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: to I hatch that out out. I said, it's it's

886
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: customers you're going to get. I mean, it's a I mean,

887
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 2: it's it's hands on and same way as the pot calls,

888
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: I mean L calls. I know, it is the same thing.

889
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 2: I mean, it's all about the sound and quality. That's

890
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 2: and that's what's cool about it.

891
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 4: But that stuff, you get the parts together, and it's

892
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 4: and it's what you do with it with those parts

893
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 4: to make to make that sound right, you know. I

894
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 4: mean there's a lot of stuff that you know, dimension

895
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 4: wise and piece wise and all of that. But then

896
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 4: once you get it, it's still like you know, me

897
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 4: sending pot calls or jameson and you know them doing

898
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 4: all the parts. It's still us making them make sound.

899
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 1: Right.

900
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 4: Okay, So you could go through and put an out

901
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 4: hooter together, Well what happens, Well, what happens if you

902
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 4: put it together and it doesn't sound like an owl?

903
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 4: What are you going to do? You don't know, because

904
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, You've never You've never done it.

905
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 4: That's where the custom part from our side comes in.

906
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 4: You know. Now the out hoooter is probably way more

907
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 4: than even the pot call, because once I get that

908
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 4: pot call dimensions to a deal. I mean, it's it's

909
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 4: really kind of a simple process, but it's a matter

910
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 4: of you know, this is how much blue I use,

911
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 4: and you know, this is how I go to process.

912
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 4: There's some secret sauce to it, you know, So I mean,

913
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 4: end result, there's things that maybe I do with a

914
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 4: pot call, put it together that if you look on

915
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 4: Facebook or some of them and hear these guys and oh,

916
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 4: you've got to do it this way, well not necessarily,

917
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 4: you know, and it's just like, I mean, that's that's

918
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 4: our deal, you know, that's we do that. You know,

919
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 4: you they can do it however they want to. This

920
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 4: is how we do it, and there's there is something

921
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 4: to it. There is a secret sauce.

922
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

923
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: And with and with any call, whether it be el deer, turkey, squirrel,

924
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 2: I don't care what it is. You can build twenty

925
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 2: of them in a row and they're all going to

926
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: sound just a little bit different. That's where the hand

927
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: tuning comes in. And then sometimes you'll get something that

928
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: just slaps together and it just don't work, even though

929
00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: it's the same.

930
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: And that's where we come in.

931
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: I'll be doing our Hooter inserts, and I'll have, man,

932
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: I got hit it, hit it.

933
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 3: That one don't sound right.

934
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: I'll pull that insert out and I'd go through it

935
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. Look at head bottom, check all my dimensions,

936
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: make sure I didn't screw something up, put all back in,

937
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: and that just you know what is we're working with materials, right,

938
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 2: it just doesn't work.

939
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: So what do we do? In the trash can?

940
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 2: Round filing cabinet, Grab the next one, keep on going

941
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: from there. So that's that's that's the cool side of

942
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: the small batches. I mean, it's it's we spend a

943
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: lot of time on those those things. Man, we don't

944
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: we don't cut no shortcuts on them. I take my

945
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: time saying them, you know, whatever we need to do

946
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 2: to make them right. I'm not going to ship anything

947
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: out that ain't right because it's got my name.

948
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 3: On it, absolutely, and and and the.

949
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: Big thing with our Hooters is is owls only you know,

950
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: bart Owl's only that tall foot and half tall.

951
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 3: They are only so loud, right.

952
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: The biggest thing for me and I struggle with is

953
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: teaching guys. It's just to blow it easy and and

954
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 2: as I'm sure it's like l call, same way. Teach

955
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: them just how to run the call and spend time

956
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 2: with it. I mean, a locator call really, if it's

957
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: good and everything works right, you should literally grab it

958
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: in the morning, put it back in your best you're

959
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: going from there. You're using your turkeys a lot more

960
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: using a locator call. Hopefully, where guys don't practice the

961
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: locator calls as much, that's where I'm always out there

962
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: doing videos and trying to help them to get get

963
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 2: to that level because the more you practice it, the

964
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: better you get with it and understand the call.

965
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: Because the way I look at it as a custom

966
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 3: call builder, they're musical instruments. They're not.

967
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're a tool, but it's a musical

968
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: I mean we're making sounds with them calls, and it's

969
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: just like a banjo or anything like that.

970
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 3: It's a musical instrument, right.

971
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I think i'd like to wrap things up here,

972
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: but before we go, uh, Steve, give us give our

973
00:46:52,719 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: listeners your your your best advice on running pot call calls.

974
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: If they're if they've never ran one before and they're

975
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: trying to get into it. What's your best advice to uh,

976
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: to run one and kind of kind of shorten the learning.

977
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 4: Curve probably probably just the fact of h relax, don't

978
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 4: try and snap the striker in your hand. Just relax,

979
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 4: put your striker on there, start easy, and adjust as

980
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 4: as you go if you need a little higher pitch.

981
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 4: I mean basically you're looking to begin with to get

982
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 4: a high and a low note on a yell and

983
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 4: pop it on a on a cluck or a cut

984
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 4: and just relax, be smooth with it, and be honest

985
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 4: with yourself when when you know you know it doesn't

986
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 4: sound right, you know you need to need to fix it.

987
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 4: Just be smooth and confident.

988
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna practice that because my friction can is not

989
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: up to par, so I'm gonna keep practicing.

990
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 4: That practice makes perfect My.

991
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: Security guard dogs out there marking, I'm sure you guys

992
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: are probably picking that up to tude.

993
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if if you don't even know where to

994
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: start on you know how to hold the call to

995
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: how to move the striker across the surface, check it

996
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: out on Phelps Game Call's YouTube channel. We have a

997
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: video James shows you walks you through step by step

998
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: on how to run that call. Get you started on it.

999
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: So and then James, what do you think, Well, what's

1000
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: what's some some helpful hit Kents on the hooter and

1001
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: your locator.

1002
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 3: Call man on the hooter. Just grab it.

1003
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 2: And the biggest thing I get with guys is they're

1004
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: they're almost like, oh, I don't want to run it

1005
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 2: around you and stuff like that because it sounds funny.

1006
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: The only way you're gonna get better is practice. So

1007
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 2: just grab it and start practicing. Listen to the owls,

1008
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: and just have fun with it. That's what I tell

1009
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 2: I mean, go outside when you're barbecuing in the evening,

1010
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: grab that thing up and run it a little bit

1011
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 2: and practice it. And that's and on the locator call,

1012
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: I mean, just watch the videos and just you know,

1013
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 2: the triple locator is.

1014
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 3: Man, We've made that thing.

1015
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 2: As easy as possible. You just got to blow air

1016
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: into it. You don't have to do any hand in

1017
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 2: it pipulation, right, just let it eat. So, you know,

1018
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 2: biggest thing I always say, just practice, just have fun

1019
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: with it, you know, enjoy it.

1020
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 3: That's like Turkey calls.

1021
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: I video mine a lot, you know, and then I

1022
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 2: listen back to it. Yeah, it's because that is a

1023
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 2: man that makes a world of difference. I can think

1024
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: I'm sounding great until I listen to the video and

1025
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's like this podcast. I'm gonna listen back.

1026
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: And be like, I should just stick to just being quiet.

1027
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: My voice sounds weird. Yeah. No, I say the same

1028
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: thing about elk calling. If you want to get better

1029
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: about elk calling, is film yourself. Not only you listen.

1030
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: You're listening back. It's almost like doing a cartwheel, right.

1031
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: If you're doing a cartwheel, you're like, yeah, I did it,

1032
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: and like your feet came two feet off the ground,

1033
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: you didn't do it. If somebody shows you the video,

1034
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yeah, I didn't do it. The same

1035
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: as ELK calling turkey calling. Record yourself, but also record

1036
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: so you can see your face. That way, you can

1037
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: look and see any kind of facial expressions that you're doing,

1038
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: or maybe the way that you're manipulating the call that

1039
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: will affect the sound. And a lot of times when

1040
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: you see it, you can identify like, oh, I've been

1041
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: getting this weird sounding. I see why I'm I'm doing

1042
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: this weird thing with my jaw or whatever, or the

1043
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: weird thing with the striker or whatever the case is.

1044
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a great a great hint.

1045
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, video and it's it's good. And then big thing

1046
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 2: I always do is just go to the woods. That's

1047
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,479
Speaker 2: where you're gonna get your volume and your tones ride.

1048
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: Just go to the woods and practice in the woods

1049
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 2: if you can.

1050
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: Yep, No, I really appreciate it, guys. This has been

1051
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: a great, great talk. Appreciate you guys having me down.

1052
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: I had fun today out of lots of laughs filming

1053
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: this stuff. I don't know if we got all the

1054
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 1: funny stuff, but we had a heck of a good time.

1055
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 4: And appreciate we have one side back.

1056
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 2: Yea, what was our what was our fun word for

1057
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 2: the day?

1058
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: All right, thanks for listening, everybody. We'll catch you on

1059
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: the next week.

1060
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 5: More than a