1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: Joining us is the Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger. A Pat, 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: good morning to you and thank you for your time. 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: You know, the stock is down more than ten percent 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: and we're kind of here again right where there's the 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 2: short term and the long term where you're trying to 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: convince investors of a return to technology leadership and also 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: grow a foundry business. Have you an updated timeline and 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: when you think you will achieve that target? Yeah? 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 3: Thanks Ed, And obviously, hey, we delivered a solid Q one, right, 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 3: We met on revenue, We beat on earnings, a bit 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 3: tepid in the first half, as we said, but we 13 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 3: see a lot of improvement as we go through the year. 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 3: And with that, obviously the foundry business, as I would say, 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 3: we're going to see progress on the foundry business every 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: quarter from now to the end of the decade. It 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 3: it just gets better and better as we move into 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 3: our new technologies, you know, as we've getting back to 19 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 3: process leadership, which have better asps and we can build 20 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 3: better products with them. We win more external foundry customers 21 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 3: as our scale growth, and we also get past this 22 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 3: period where we had to invest to catch up, right 23 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 3: and create the capacity for a decade plus of under investment. 24 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: So everything there becomes a tailwind going forward. And we 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 3: hit key milestones and one of those I was very 26 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 3: proud of just this week we went to production with 27 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: our first server part on Intel three. The US is 28 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 3: back to leadership process technology being manufactured on our shores 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: for the first time in a decade. So some key milestones, 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 3: and I'll just say everything is coming together as we 31 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 3: would say, and we're very optimistic that yes, in fact, 32 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: we will deliver the foundry business and the manufacturing capabilities 33 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: as we've laid out for the company, the industry, and 34 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 3: the world Stiphil. 35 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 4: Interestingly, anais over there. Twenty twenty four should mark the 36 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 4: bottom in many. 37 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: Aspects, pat but they really want to down the pace 38 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: of the climb that is necessary. How can you tell 39 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,399 Speaker 1: us about how quickly you'll be able to scale that 40 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: market share that. 41 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 4: You're so far lost. 42 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, we look at Intel now in 43 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 3: these two different perspectives Intel products, and we expose through 44 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 3: our recast financials that we have a very solid, fabulous 45 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 3: business with healthy financials and we expect those to improve 46 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: over time. But the big story has been about exposing 47 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 3: the foundry financials and the losses associated with those, and 48 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: what we see is over the decade, you know that 49 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: we'll cross through profitability in the middle of the period 50 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 3: for that business as we get back to process leadership 51 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: and start to moderate the level of investment required to 52 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 3: go rebuild that decade of under investment. And as we 53 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 3: do that, if we would have that today, we'd be 54 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 3: more than double the earnings this year that we're forecasting. 55 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 3: So it becomes a huge positive lever for us. And 56 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 3: as I like to say, all that's in our control, 57 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 3: the wafers, getting back to leadership, the product implications of it, 58 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 3: all of these things are our control, and it gets 59 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 3: better as we win additional external foundry customers. 60 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: The link I think pat is that is about growing 61 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: market share as server to support the costs necessary for 62 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: the foundry business. You're asked an interesting question on the 63 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: call in the context of servers built on X eighty 64 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 2: six versus ARM based alternatives, and you gave a pretty 65 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: thorough explanation about the place of all of those particular 66 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: data center CPUs. But what I didn't hear was what's 67 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: happening out there in the real world, where are data 68 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: centers being built and what are they being built on 69 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: right now? 70 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is important because we've been at the 71 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 3: period now for a number of quarters where data center 72 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 3: CPUs have been fairly tepid, and we do see that improving. 73 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 3: We had good improvement in the first quarter of the 74 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: year and we expect that to continue through the year, 75 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 3: and you know, there's time for refresh in those data centers. 76 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: But we're also seeing that the CPUs now has head 77 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: nodes for AI use cases. We've posted some pretty incredible 78 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 3: results that we can now run seventy billion parameter models 79 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: natively on the CPU. Who I don't need a special accelerator. 80 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 3: I can do everything on the software stack that I 81 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 3: already use inside of data centers. And we're seeing that 82 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 3: these power efficient products that we're bringing to the marketplace, 83 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 3: you know, such as our x on six that we 84 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 3: just announced, are going to enable us to stabilize and 85 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 3: regain market share with much higher core counts. The asps 86 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 3: are going up very nicely on that through the year. 87 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 3: So we saw growth in Q one, We expect that 88 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 3: to continue through the year and as we get to 89 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: the back half of the year, our accelerator product line 90 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 3: with Goudy Zon plus Goudy, we become we believe becomes 91 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: a very compelling solution for enterprise customers. And we have 92 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 3: quite a number of announcements of those this quarter, customers 93 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 3: such Bosh and Dell and super Micro all bringing those 94 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 3: into the marketplace, Roach and IBM, and eCloud partners like Neighbor, 95 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: the fastest growing cloud provider in Asia, all of those 96 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: coming alongside the Intel strategy. So we see that momentum building. 97 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 4: It momentum, and we want to just remind us that 98 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 4: we are with TV radio audiences. The CEO of Intel, 99 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 4: Pat Gelsinger, Pat on not the momentum. Everyone wants to 100 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 4: talk about AI and all of its ways and means. 101 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 4: You've been focusing in on an AIPC, and I'm just 102 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 4: really interested in Ultimately you're going to be wat shipping 103 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 4: an excess originally forty million AIPC CPUs. That's the target 104 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 4: for twenty twenty four. But what's the demand like at 105 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 4: the moment, Pat, and what's the cost like? 106 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, And when we announced the category at the end 107 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 3: of last year, Carolyn, it was sort of like everybody says, Wow, 108 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 3: what's going on the AIPC and you're seeing a flurry 109 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 3: of interest of other people coming into that market, but 110 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 3: Intel questionably the leader first to declare the market, first 111 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: to describe the use cases, and our first product, Core Ultra, 112 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: is having a very robust ramp into the marketplace, and 113 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 3: to some degree, I'm racing to catch up to the demand. 114 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 3: We're meeting all of our supply commitments, but not all 115 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: of the upside requests yet that we're getting from customers. 116 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: So this is very robust. We expect that we'll exceed 117 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 3: the forty million units this year. We'll be introducing our 118 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: next generation product in the middle of this year, so 119 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 3: all of these pieces, we are very optimistic. And you're 120 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 3: seeing use cases and communications where all of a sudden, 121 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: I get summarization, contextualization, translation in real time, all running 122 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 3: on my PC. Developers, gamers, all of these use cases 123 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 3: are now becoming AI enabled and Intel leading the AIPC parade. 124 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: It's a very exciting time where I believe will be 125 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 3: the biggest cycle of PC refresh and expansion that we've 126 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 3: seen in likely decades. 127 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 4: Pat this is a conversation about your technology and about 128 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 4: ultimately your fundamentals of a business. I'm just going to 129 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 4: take a turn for a moment, and it's a sensitive question, 130 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 4: so I'll give you a moment to think about it. 131 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 4: But given your relationship with Israel and the fact that 132 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 4: you are one of the largest employers over there, how 133 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 4: are you currently feeling about students in the United States 134 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 4: protesting against endowments being invested in companies that are associated 135 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 4: with Israel at this moment. 136 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: Well, we have been in Israel for forty years now 137 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 3: and it's been an incredible country for us, incredible innovators, 138 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: and extraordinary resilience by the Israeli people, and they continue, 139 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: despite the challenges of the war that's going on there, 140 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: to deliver against their objectives. So we're very committed to 141 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 3: support our teams wherever they are in the world that said, hey, 142 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: we seek peace, and we've been clearly emphasizing that we 143 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: need to find routes of sustainable peace in the region, 144 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,679 Speaker 3: and I have been supporting perspectives that reinforce that across 145 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: the region. And as we look across the world, we say, boy, 146 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: you know, there continues to be the turbulence, and fundamentally, 147 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: our strategy is around building globally resilient supply chains that 148 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: are balanced across the world. So our core strategy is 149 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 3: emphasizing that there will be these challenges across the world, 150 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 3: you know, whether that's in Israel, Ukraine, or Asia, and 151 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 3: we are committed to making sure that we can support 152 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 3: the global markets that we serve right with a strategy 153 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 3: that really was built for a turbulent world. 154 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: Pat let's end on AI accelerators. GOWDI is on track 155 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: for five hundred million this year. AMD's I three hundred 156 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: X will probably do three and a half billion, and 157 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: Nvidia with its generations will do forty billion. You've said 158 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: that choice is important, and also the CPU is important, 159 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: and I accept that many share it, but do you 160 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 2: see a clear path where the numbers I just outlined 161 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: rebalance in your favor in the AI accelerator market going forward. 162 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 3: Given the strength that we saw at our Vision event 163 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 3: that we had, we had twenty plus customers coming out 164 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 3: publicly in support of our accelerator and our Xeon plus 165 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 3: accelerator strategy, we're really starting to see that pipeline of 166 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 3: activity converted. And ultimately much of the activity that you've 167 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: seen so far on generative AI has been in cloud 168 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 3: training and now and I think the ultimate monetization of 169 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: AI happens as business deployments start to occur, and those 170 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: are the areas that we see strength. We launch the 171 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 3: open platform for Enterprise AI. How do we enable these 172 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: use cases inside of the enterprise, but in an open 173 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 3: architecture that many get to participate in. We announced the 174 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: open AI Networking from closed proprietary networking to standard Ethernet 175 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: based scale up and scale out networking. We announced that 176 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 3: this quarter. And obviously the momentum that we're seeing with GOUDI, 177 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 3: you know, all of that half a billion, almost all 178 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: of it's in the second half of the year, so 179 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 3: you can see a very accelerated cycle, a lot of 180 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 3: enthusiasm for Goudy, you know, the unquestioned leader in CCO 181 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: total cost of ownership for enterprises, building on the Xeon franchise, 182 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 3: and the position that we have in the enterprise and 183 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: literally ISVs and cloud providers, but most importantly enterprise customers 184 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: seeing that value proposition. Yeah, we feel like we're gaining 185 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: a lot of momentum now in this category and feel 186 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 3: good about the potential for our AI Everywhere AI p C, 187 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 3: AI Edge, AI Enterprise and AI cloud. 188 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 4: Ending on an optimistic mote We thank you so much. 189 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 4: Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger there on all things AI, all 190 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 4: things Intel numbers,