WEBVTT - Warryn Campbell 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:13.160 Money. We are thank take val. We are the authority 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:19.040 on all things R and Ladies and jentlemen, what's going on? 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:28.800 My name is Tank. I gave Alain this who It's 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:34.160 the R and B Money Podcast, the authority on all 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:41.000 things RB. Yeah. Oh man, oh, y'all have messed up 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:45.480 to day. You messed up today? Yeah. The real shit 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.320 is in the building. But my frends pastor, the real 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:54.920 is in building it. I'm talking about play every instrument 0:00:56.120 --> 0:01:05.000 on a level, high level, high level, write it, sing it. Uh. 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.840 Then he gonna he gonna design the clothing for you 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:13.200 to wear on it. And then if your heart ain't 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.400 right while you're wearing the clothes, he gonna preach you. 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:20.560 It saved your soul. Yeah, I'm talking about twenty seven 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:28.600 Grammy nominees, nine time winning award, winning warden by du Yes. 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.520 Why am I screaming, I don't go, mister my block 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:38.040 him himself. You're going to cut myself. Yeah, Joe blood, 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.080 I love how you how you so hype, but he's 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:50.000 not giving you anything better? Yeaz um. First of all, 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.760 first of all, I mean your family, so man, well, 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:55.840 thanks thank you for giving us shi because I know 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.240 this is you know your time is precious. Listen, man, 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.800 thank y'all for having me. This is Anna and listen. 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.400 I hadn't seen everybody sitting this year. I feel like 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:12.560 I'm somebody. It's like the Woody d Yeah. Yeah, I'm 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.200 a little upset that, you know, you let me retire 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.919 without giving me a hit record. You know, no discography 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.959 is vast you you know you can't do it take 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.680 you know, you know we can't speed down like we 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:30.000 you know, we we we talked, we listen interacting. We're 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.520 gonna we're gonna do a record now. Nobody might never hear. 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:33.920 You might not want to put it out because you 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:35.760 were tired, but we're gonna do this record. I can't 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:37.400 and it's gonna be so good. You're gonna be like 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.600 everybody got to hear. I can't. I can't do a record, 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.040 but you and not put it out. It's gonna be 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:44.840 that good. Like, Okay, people need to hear it this. 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:48.320 They got to hear this. Um, thank you bro again. 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:52.080 Absolutely man, and you know, and we need to do 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.560 it at Marvin's room too. That's why we need to 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.200 do that in the Marvin Gay studio. I'm serious, We're 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:04.520 gonna do that. Yeah, it's just it's becoming a moment. 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:06.840 Yeah yeah, yeah. Oh you know what I saw on 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.080 your discography nothing anything cut you off. I saw that 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:15.839 one of your wins was you Know Where I'm Going 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:21.359 was Jennifer Hudson R and B Album of the Year. Yeah, yeah, 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.960 I was on that album. But then I have you 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.160 to think because my songs. I don't even know how 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.880 good my song was. And they told me that I 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:35.680 didn't qualify for hardware, only a certificate. Well, here's the 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:39.000 thing which is wrong. Talk to me and I can 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.440 speak to it. I served on the board of governors 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.680 at the Nearest for a two times and we had 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:48.080 this argument over and over again about hardware versus statue 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:54.000 being valid as an actual Grammy and the it's really 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.240 split down the mill. Some people say, no, the statue 0:03:56.320 --> 0:04:00.240 is the heart, the certificate is a Grammy up or 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.360 some people know the hardware is grammself. If you count 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.360 the certificates, I'm like, I got twenty Grammys, but hardware wise, 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:10.040 I only got what was that last year I won 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:19.159 for Best Rap Song and that was my fifth hardware hardware, 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.640 So you can consider that plaque because it's a win 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.360 it says she got best R and B Album of 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.720 the Year. I didn't get it. I didn't get hardware. 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:30.440 I got a plaque just like you. Why don't we 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:34.800 get hardware because you have to? Why do other other 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.200 genres of music? No? No No, no, no genre does you 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.640 have to be as a producer? You would You would 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.320 have to have produce or more of that album to 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:49.520 get does that other genres? Everybody does so? Like so 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.760 for instance, my wife when she put out her first 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.760 solo album, uh, she won for best Gospel Album, Right, 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.359 I get it. I got a hardware because I produced 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:10.320 the entire thing. Well, you're her husband or or or yeah, 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.880 that's true. The married Mary joints. You know, I get 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:22.360 hardware for that a husband and brother. And let's say 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.720 if I do you know Tank got ten songs on 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:27.800 an album, you win, I produced seven of them. I'm 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:31.120 getting hardware, I know. But that's that's really tough fa 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:35.120 urban space now though, yeah really does especially like on 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.880 an album like Kanye's last album Dona, there is twenty 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.520 seven producers on one song. It's a game of people 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:43.919 on there, like when it's a lot, so how are 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:47.240 they gonna split that up? But music is collaborative. So 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:49.320 my thing is, I mean, if you played a part, 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.880 let gets something for It's all them, it's all the 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.560 reason why it's album of the year. So the actual 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.720 money to make. Man, it costs more money to make, 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.279 but album of the Year gets everybody get a statue 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:03.359 for album of the year, you know what I mean? 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:05.080 R and B album, Oh yeah, and then we just 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:08.719 get the plaus And I think that if it's what's 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:12.120 so different, I get it that it's across all genres, right, 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.000 but that's really unfair to everybody who contributes to the 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.360 entire body of work to not be able to participate 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.560 in now. And I think, you know, being that we 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.680 now have as a president fellow R and B you know, 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:28.599 const constituent, he could help change some of that because 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.720 it is, it is a thing. It's unfair. We should 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.880 be getting them. We should be getting them. Statues. Need 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.920 some man, we need some hardware around here. I can't 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:42.599 even get a nomination. Shit, I gotta start. Listen, man, 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:44.559 you look like a Graham. Look at that brod skin. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:56.000 What are you drinking? You know, sixty three years old? 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:58.320 Just like that. When I mess you, I might have 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:02.599 been a teenager did my god do it actually was 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:11.400 when we met. Joe Lewis is now one of my guys. 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:16.400 The other day he said, what what's going on? Man? 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:21.760 You drinking tomato juice? Everyone? I don't ak ho Lewis 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:35.960 Lewis did he go that one? Baby dub sir. Let's 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:40.120 let's go back to the beginning a long time ago. Yeah, 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.240 let's start. I think I'm older than everybody here. Yeah, 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.080 you sure you got you have grab That doesn't mean anything. 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.760 I mean, I can it could be black. It was 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:52.320 black last month because I'm a good I just turned 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.320 forty seven. You know what I'm saying? Things really happening 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:57.559 for me? Were I don't. I'm so forty seven. When's 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:01.280 your birthday? August? I'll turn forty eighth this year. Okay, 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:05.000 you got me by about three months. Wow? Yeah, but 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.320 I thought you was about two three years younger than me. 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:13.440 I am. Maybe it's the pictorial muscle, baby jay, baby 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.720 jaw gonna you learn how to count to man, because 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.160 she ain't way to August. It's not three or four 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:23.360 months older than me. He turns, He turns in there, 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:28.040 and then I turned forty eight, So August September October 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:33.720 November December. That's four months. Oh you turned your birthday, dreamer, 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:43.360 Yeah it's not three months, but somebody to count for. Yeah, well, 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:49.960 don't do that no more. Man, We're gonna man what 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.440 dub Let's go to the beginning, man um. I feel 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:58.160 like I feel like there was a church involved. I 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.720 feel like you might not even have been born in 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.080 the hospital. I feel like you were born at the church. 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.120 You really a native too, You really a la name 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:11.880 yea yea through Like where when did somebody to say 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:17.319 to you that boy special, that boy man? Or when 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.760 did you and went and when did it click for 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:26.240 you that? Okay, I do something different. So I'm born 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.040 born in Watts Me and Tiree is born in the 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:33.880 same hospital, raised in South Central. I'm what you call 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:39.040 a pew baby because I you know, they brought me 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:40.840 home from the hospital and we went straight to church 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:45.120 after that. But then I was raised you know, uh 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.199 a street car fifty second in the city, second of 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:51.080 Normandy right in the hood. Uh gang culture five Duce 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.400 Hoover Crips was was the neighborhood I grew up in. 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:58.280 So I had both things happening. Are you a five duce, 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.280 I'm a I'm a I'm what you call a writer, 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:02.720 so you know we can get into that. You know. 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:04.520 I really wanted to be jumped in so bad. My 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.960 dad said, if I catch you, I hear that. She 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:09.679 didn't got jumped in and put on I'm gonna kill 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:11.400 you myself. And I was much more afraid of him 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:18.720 than anybody on that block. Yeah, I was like, yeah, 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:22.000 I take my chances. Yeah, yeah, but yeah. So my 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:26.480 family um in the small church that I was raised 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.959 in was called King's Chapel Apostolic church on the east 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:35.199 side of la Um was a very very liberal Black 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:39.360 church because the bishops daughters were R and B singers. 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.240 One was my godmother. Her name was Eton the Right Perry. 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.520 She passed a couple of years ago. She was the 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.560 lead singer in the band the group the Honeycomb going 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.319 to put it on the one as the leads leading 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.680 and the their father was our pastor. Her Her older 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.800 sister's name is Darlene Love. She's known all over the 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:00.920 world for being the Christmas Latest, the Christmas Songs of 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:04.880 Phil Specter, that that that that documentary Twenty Feet from 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:06.319 Scars start them. She was the start of that she 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:10.000 on an oscar. Those were their sisters, their sisters wow, 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:12.400 and so I grew up in their father's church. So 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.680 and then my family and their family was the music department. 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:20.160 My dad played bass and directed the choir and singing 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.320 the choir. My uncle was played the oregon. My cousin 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.360 played the drums. I played piano and drums. And the 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.960 choir was my mom and my cousins and it was everybody. 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.559 And then my uncle was a director in the same lead. 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:34.360 He's a guy that singing, Uh, I'm going to sing 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:40.400 the song for you. That's my uncle Michael. He passed 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.720 away in eighty seven. He was on Broadway. So in 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:44.640 our little church that it was only like a hundred 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.280 people in this church. He was all his music. Everybody 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.199 would come to my church. Ever the barge would come, 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.880 Bonno would come, Diane Warwick would come, just Andre. People 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.280 will just come because the music at that church was crazy. 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.000 And I'm the church musician. I plus started playing drum. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:05.120 I'm at four in the church and so, yeah, four 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.080 years old, four years old, Yeah, I was holding it down. 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:12.040 By nine. By six, I was playing bass. By nine, 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:14.839 I'm playing piano. And the thing is you better know 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:18.600 how to play. You can't be whack, you know, because 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:22.040 because there's no shoulder, there's no embarrassment like church embarrassment 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:23.599 when you up there playing and then the sing go 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.640 like this, like like don't don't stop. I'm a saying 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.000 acapella because you mess them yet or they or they 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.439 say and somebody hit you with them. Yeah, they move 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:34.360 you over or that scoot or that scoot you over, 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.040 like watch, I got you in for an and everybody 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:43.959 look at you a hot You don't want that. I've 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:47.199 been scooted off to be three piano player and I 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:52.400 couldn't quite get my feet together. You could get the choreography, 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:56.000 the choreography, and the preacher was hooping and I knew 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.800 I was nailing it up here. I wasn't quite nail 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:03.719 He looked at the other organs. That's when they do this. 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.880 The switch side was somebody playing wrong. This is the sign. 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:11.160 That was the sign church switch like, get some somebody else, 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:16.160 get up there. I didn't even get that. I got, yeah, 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:22.719 that's I felt some arms school profiles. That's that East 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:29.560 Coast embarrassment. You yeah you're white, but that's where I was. 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.040 You know, so much music and it's all at this 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.880 point you are you even listening to secular music? Yeah, 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.640 but you're listening. Oh yeah, yeah, because my you know, 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.360 like I said, all that was happening in our church. 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.280 I mean, the bishop's daughters were R and B stars, 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.000 you know what I'm saying. Like, I mean, they were 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.520 doing it, and all these people was around. Even when 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.520 they needed, like people, somebody need to acchoire some kids, 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.240 they would come get us. We'll sing on all records 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.920 and all kinds of stuff. So you know when my 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:01.880 other friends whose fathers were pastors and preachers, like you know, 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.480 like Nissan rapping them, they could not listen shoutouton the 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:09.079 Nissan Stewart raptor Stewart. Uh, they couldn't even they couldn't 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.200 do none of that. And you know, because I was, 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.480 I was super progressive for that time. Yeah. My dad, 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.080 let me tell you what He's help to him. One time. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:21.520 I never I met Mario Winans when I was fourteen. 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.000 He was out here playing drums for his moms at 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:31.520 some church. Little Mario or no Mario. Yeah, yeah, this 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:35.440 sun Yeah, before he became you know, big hit hit man. Yeah, 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:39.120 he was one of the coldest drummers in the world, right, Yeah. 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.880 So I'm talking to him. He was telling me about 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.400 how he don't food with secular music, and I was 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.480 so enamored by him. I was about fourteen, he's a 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:49.960 little bit older than me. He had just produced this 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.960 some some uh, this gospel group and it was killing. 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.720 I just thought I wanted to be Mario. He's like, y'all, 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:57.920 don't fool was secular. So I said, okay, shoot, that's 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.440 what I'm doing. I ain't a secondary. So I go 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:05.080 home to my dad, just trying to impress my dad. Really, 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:07.640 you know, a dad, you know I'm not ever gonna 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:09.360 do no. Secondly, because my dad said, man said, now, 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.480 let me talk to you. He said, you don't do 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.040 construction like me. You don't type, you don't take dictation. 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.800 You are a musician. That's your occupation. I see all 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.000 this music, you like this R and B. I don't 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:21.560 really like all that custom because I was heavy in 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.200 the n W at the time. But you do the 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.320 music in your heart that you like because music is 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:30.440 your occupation. Now you got your occupation and your salvation. 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.200 What you don't want to do is let your occupation 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:36.000 run all over your salvation. You gotta have standards, and 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.400 that's what my dad told me at fourteen. You don't 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:46.320 want to let your occupation your salvation. Yeah yeah, and 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.880 so at that you know, so I just I went 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:57.720 to death row. Welcome to death, Welcome to death Row. 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:02.200 Yeah yeah, And I think your video after this conversation. 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.880 I mean, obviously it's some time, but yeah, no, but 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.640 you know, it was some time. But my father and 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:09.920 at that time, we weren't in that little church anymore. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.960 Now my father's the pastor now and I'm the musician 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.040 at the church. And you know, my dad sent me 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:16.720 out to do this. He was like, no, you do 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.880 what you do and come back. At that point, yeah, 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.440 I remember we talked about my friend Nissan Stewart going 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.120 to his dad and saying, Bishop Stewart man this letting 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.640 nisignd come with me to do this gig Rest in 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:34.920 Peace Puff Johnson Rmby singer. She hadn't put a band together. 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.440 We went to go do y'all remember the Impact Convention. Yeah, 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.200 absolutely absolutely. Nissan came with me. He played and was 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:41.760 we was trying to get her and get back, get 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:43.960 Ni something back for church. It was late, so he 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.480 got into the airport landed in La get to the house. 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:48.560 Bitch was sitting in the kitchen. Y'all didn't make it 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:52.000 back to church. I said, Bishop Nissan, make eight hundred dollars. 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:55.400 He said, eight hundred dollars. We'll take him again next 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:59.600 time too. He opened, now Nissa, he opened and rapture. 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.160 He started doing stuff, you know. But my dad was like, 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.359 really like on some No, you go and do what 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.440 you got to do. Like, this is your job, make money, 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.800 do it. It doesn't affect how you live your life. No, no, 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.200 he was like, you you can be saved into your job. 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:15.120 He says, I'm a pastor, and when I leave church, 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:17.200 I go to work. What do I work? My dad 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.480 worked at the brewery. He worked at anne Hauser Bush 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.560 for thirty five years. Wow, I'm the pastor. I make beer, 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.080 so they don't pay my bills. I paid my bills. 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:30.480 I said, Okay, that's your occupation. Two different things. So 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:42.399 that's that's how I lived my life. Now. My my 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:49.840 um north star in music is Quincy Jones. Yeah, and 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.359 everything that Quincy Jones did I just tried. I would 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.320 read all about them whatever I wanted to do. That 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.640 that's the reason why I went to work for Electration 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.800 Records to do an R and when I got there, 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.479 I read that Quincy Jones wouldn't take a black title 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.399 VP of A and R of Black Music. I was like, 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.560 I'm not taking the black title, So I want to 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.680 be involved in the conversations, you know, with everything. So 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:11.800 with Silvia Rong, she I'm in the room when she's 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:13.760 I'm at I'm with her. When she goes to see 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.159 Jet and she signs Jet, I'm in the room she 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.840 signs Jason Murras, or when she's working on a Metallica 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.719 and Staying album, I'm like in the conversations because I 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.040 want to be involved in all that because Quincy Jones 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.960 did it. Quincy Jones was scoring absolute and if you go, 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:29.560 I'm talking about in the Heat, in the Heat of 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.000 the Night, the Palm Broker, and then the sixties, the movies, 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.320 the Italian Job, the original Quincy and he did it 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.120 on paper like this. Yeah, So I'm like, I gotta 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.200 do that. Like I'm like, I wanted to emulate that guy. 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:48.359 So you know, oh yeah yeah, my dad man shout 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:50.960 up to my pops. He told me. When I started playing, 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:52.880 he realized I had a gift. You know, he says, Listen, 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:54.720 I don't want you to be another dime a dozen 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.720 church musician. That's exactly what he said, because everybody can play. 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.800 Listen listening to church. Everybody in his church play. Everybody 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.960 I played, play, did everybody play? But what you're gonna 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:06.919 do with it? After that? I need you to go. 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:08.840 I'm gonna send you that he sent me the lessons. 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:12.240 I was in Artie Colburn Conservatory. It was at usc 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:16.200 Um School at twelve, learning classical music, learning to play 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.320 classical piano. By the time I was fourteen, I was 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.760 in music composition in classes. He took me a guy 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:24.600 named Herb Mickman who was a bass player and an 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.359 m d. For Sara Van who taught me jazz composition 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.040 and in theory and things of that nature. And I 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:32.560 learn how to write from piccolos all the way down 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.320 to double basses in orchestrate, you know what I mean? 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:39.120 So um, you know? And I didn't student, yeah, yeah, 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:40.439 And I didn't, Like I tell people all the time, 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:41.880 I didn't do that just to play with eight away 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.200 to make high hats go fast like I really want 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:49.040 to do it. I could do that. Talk, Yeah, can 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:52.720 we stop. Yeah, yeah, can we pause the pot for 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:54.920 a minute. I don't know, I don't know who needed 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:59.920 to hear that. I don't know, I don't know who 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:06.240 needed to feel that, floss Man, but my god, Okay, 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:10.080 you know we were in the time now where you know, 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.520 we talked about earlier the sounds and how that was, 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:21.000 you know, um, a part of the the sonic identification 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:24.840 of a producer. Now everybody the reason why the radio 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.080 sounds like one long song because everybody's getting the same 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:30.240 sounds from the same places they go. You can go 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.520 a line download sounds and everybody's doing the same thing. 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.320 When we were digging through records to crates and I, 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:37.960 oh man, I found a snare from Blah blah blah, 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:39.920 oh Man, and I had my own little thing with that, 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.840 and that was my sound. You know, nowadays I like 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:46.200 to keep with that. So it may take me a 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.800 little longer to do a record. That's okay. But when 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.440 it comes sonically, you don't know it's me, You're gonna 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:54.000 know it's something different. You know, you're hurt, you're hearing 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:56.359 something different than what you hear normally. You know what 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:59.399 I'm saying, I wish I'm teaching my son. Now he's twelve. 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:04.720 He's playing bass and programming and stuff like that. He's 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.679 in a program called YOLA, the Youth Orchestra of Los Angeles. 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.240 It's like the farm team from the La Philharmonic. He's 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:13.240 playing upright bass and stuff like that. But I'm I'm 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:15.520 showing him things like how to like I put him 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:19.119 on an NPC sixty three thousand, teach him that, like 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:21.080 learn how to make sounds for yourself, Like I'm not 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.639 giving you sounds that everybody else got. You're gonna learn 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:26.280 how to work with thieves, you know. And so even 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:29.359 though he's twelve, like he doesn't know nothing else. He 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:32.280 don't know if he never heard the future, he never 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:34.600 heard you know, whatever's happening right now, he hain't heard it. 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:38.280 He has he has no idea. He's listening to Body 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:42.160 Heat by Quincy Jones. He's listening off the wall. He's 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.480 listening to classical stuff, like stuff that I'm trying to 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.520 like because he's gonna get to that, yeah, generically by himself. 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:50.560 But when he gets there, he's gonna have all this stuff. 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:53.239 Because I eventually got to the hip hop and all 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:54.800 that stuff. But I had so much stuff in me 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:57.000 that my father instilled in me. By the time I 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:58.560 got to it, I just thought about it differently, you 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:00.159 know what I mean? Yeah, I see what you're doing 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:06.919 A love our ball See what you're doing over there. Yeah, 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.879 big baller, big baller brand. Yeah. So you so you 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.679 get this. You have this label now, successful label? When 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:17.960 when when did Mary Dropped? Mary? Mary Drop Memory came out, 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:24.959 Uh May two thousand the first album, That's exactly why. 0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:27.280 And at the time we won a label, yet we 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:30.960 were still night Raw Productions, Narrow Entertainment. It was my 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:34.000 name backwards. I remember that. I remember that, I've seen, 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:36.239 I've seen Oprah had Harpa was her name backward. I'm 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.840 gonna do ni Raw didn't didn't make sense at all, 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:41.600 but I did it. And by the third album, which 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:47.320 was the album with UH, had a song called Yesterday's 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:51.199 big song called Yesterday and there heaven Um I changed it. 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:53.880 We flipped everything to actual labels. That was two thousand 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:56.960 and six, So we became a label once two thousand 0:22:56.960 --> 0:22:59.240 and six, and they were the only people signed to 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:01.560 the label them. When I had a little sister, I 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:06.800 had I have a little Joy, so Joy Joy starts. 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:09.720 She's still one of the coldest singers and writers ever. 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:12.520 We just did a deal for her through our label 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:16.480 with Clive and um, you know that was happening. So 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:18.760 she was like the second person signed that I had married, married, 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:20.960 and you know, it kept going and going, and we 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:24.040 signed Kelly Price and did that. That the only time 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:27.080 she was nominated for that many grand She was nominated 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:30.200 for three Grammys that year. It was a great album 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:33.920 called Um Kelly, I think it was just called Kelly. 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:38.000 She had a song called not My Daddy stokely Yeah, Um, 0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:43.280