Speaker 1: Money. We are thank take val. We are the authority
Speaker 1: on all things R and Ladies and jentlemen, what's going on?
Speaker 1: My name is Tank. I gave Alain this who It's
Speaker 1: the R and B Money Podcast, the authority on all
Speaker 1: things RB. Yeah. Oh man, oh, y'all have messed up
Speaker 1: to day. You messed up today? Yeah. The real shit
Speaker 1: is in the building. But my frends pastor, the real
Speaker 1: is in building it. I'm talking about play every instrument
Speaker 1: on a level, high level, high level, write it, sing it. Uh.
Speaker 1: Then he gonna he gonna design the clothing for you
Speaker 1: to wear on it. And then if your heart ain't
Speaker 1: right while you're wearing the clothes, he gonna preach you.
Speaker 1: It saved your soul. Yeah, I'm talking about twenty seven
Speaker 1: Grammy nominees, nine time winning award, winning warden by du Yes.
Speaker 1: Why am I screaming, I don't go, mister my block
Speaker 1: him himself. You're going to cut myself. Yeah, Joe blood,
Speaker 1: I love how you how you so hype, but he's
Speaker 1: not giving you anything better? Yeaz um. First of all,
Speaker 1: first of all, I mean your family, so man, well,
Speaker 1: thanks thank you for giving us shi because I know
Speaker 1: this is you know your time is precious. Listen, man,
Speaker 1: thank y'all for having me. This is Anna and listen.
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen everybody sitting this year. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm somebody. It's like the Woody d Yeah. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: a little upset that, you know, you let me retire
Speaker 1: without giving me a hit record. You know, no discography
Speaker 1: is vast you you know you can't do it take
Speaker 1: you know, you know we can't speed down like we
Speaker 1: you know, we we we talked, we listen interacting. We're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna do a record now. Nobody might never hear.
Speaker 1: You might not want to put it out because you
Speaker 1: were tired, but we're gonna do this record. I can't
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be so good. You're gonna be like
Speaker 1: everybody got to hear. I can't. I can't do a record,
Speaker 1: but you and not put it out. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: that good. Like, Okay, people need to hear it this.
Speaker 1: They got to hear this. Um, thank you bro again.
Speaker 1: Absolutely man, and you know, and we need to do
Speaker 1: it at Marvin's room too. That's why we need to
Speaker 1: do that in the Marvin Gay studio. I'm serious, We're
Speaker 1: gonna do that. Yeah, it's just it's becoming a moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. Oh you know what I saw on
Speaker 1: your discography nothing anything cut you off. I saw that
Speaker 1: one of your wins was you Know Where I'm Going
Speaker 1: was Jennifer Hudson R and B Album of the Year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was on that album. But then I have you
Speaker 1: to think because my songs. I don't even know how
Speaker 1: good my song was. And they told me that I
Speaker 1: didn't qualify for hardware, only a certificate. Well, here's the
Speaker 1: thing which is wrong. Talk to me and I can
Speaker 1: speak to it. I served on the board of governors
Speaker 1: at the Nearest for a two times and we had
Speaker 1: this argument over and over again about hardware versus statue
Speaker 1: being valid as an actual Grammy and the it's really
Speaker 1: split down the mill. Some people say, no, the statue
Speaker 1: is the heart, the certificate is a Grammy up or
Speaker 1: some people know the hardware is grammself. If you count
Speaker 1: the certificates, I'm like, I got twenty Grammys, but hardware wise,
Speaker 1: I only got what was that last year I won
Speaker 1: for Best Rap Song and that was my fifth hardware hardware,
Speaker 1: So you can consider that plaque because it's a win
Speaker 1: it says she got best R and B Album of
Speaker 1: the Year. I didn't get it. I didn't get hardware.
Speaker 1: I got a plaque just like you. Why don't we
Speaker 1: get hardware because you have to? Why do other other
Speaker 1: genres of music? No? No No, no, no genre does you
Speaker 1: have to be as a producer? You would You would
Speaker 1: have to have produce or more of that album to
Speaker 1: get does that other genres? Everybody does so? Like so
Speaker 1: for instance, my wife when she put out her first
Speaker 1: solo album, uh, she won for best Gospel Album, Right,
Speaker 1: I get it. I got a hardware because I produced
Speaker 1: the entire thing. Well, you're her husband or or or yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. The married Mary joints. You know, I get
Speaker 1: hardware for that a husband and brother. And let's say
Speaker 1: if I do you know Tank got ten songs on
Speaker 1: an album, you win, I produced seven of them. I'm
Speaker 1: getting hardware, I know. But that's that's really tough fa
Speaker 1: urban space now though, yeah really does especially like on
Speaker 1: an album like Kanye's last album Dona, there is twenty
Speaker 1: seven producers on one song. It's a game of people
Speaker 1: on there, like when it's a lot, so how are
Speaker 1: they gonna split that up? But music is collaborative. So
Speaker 1: my thing is, I mean, if you played a part,
Speaker 1: let gets something for It's all them, it's all the
Speaker 1: reason why it's album of the year. So the actual
Speaker 1: money to make. Man, it costs more money to make,
Speaker 1: but album of the Year gets everybody get a statue
Speaker 1: for album of the year, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: R and B album, Oh yeah, and then we just
Speaker 1: get the plaus And I think that if it's what's
Speaker 1: so different, I get it that it's across all genres, right,
Speaker 1: but that's really unfair to everybody who contributes to the
Speaker 1: entire body of work to not be able to participate
Speaker 1: in now. And I think, you know, being that we
Speaker 1: now have as a president fellow R and B you know,
Speaker 1: const constituent, he could help change some of that because
Speaker 1: it is, it is a thing. It's unfair. We should
Speaker 1: be getting them. We should be getting them. Statues. Need
Speaker 1: some man, we need some hardware around here. I can't
Speaker 1: even get a nomination. Shit, I gotta start. Listen, man,
Speaker 1: you look like a Graham. Look at that brod skin.
Speaker 1: What are you drinking? You know, sixty three years old?
Speaker 1: Just like that. When I mess you, I might have
Speaker 1: been a teenager did my god do it actually was
Speaker 1: when we met. Joe Lewis is now one of my guys.
Speaker 1: The other day he said, what what's going on? Man?
Speaker 1: You drinking tomato juice? Everyone? I don't ak ho Lewis
Speaker 1: Lewis did he go that one? Baby dub sir. Let's
Speaker 1: let's go back to the beginning a long time ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's start. I think I'm older than everybody here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you sure you got you have grab That doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can it could be black. It was
Speaker 1: black last month because I'm a good I just turned
Speaker 1: forty seven. You know what I'm saying? Things really happening
Speaker 1: for me? Were I don't. I'm so forty seven. When's
Speaker 1: your birthday? August? I'll turn forty eighth this year. Okay,
Speaker 1: you got me by about three months. Wow? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I thought you was about two three years younger than me.
Speaker 1: I am. Maybe it's the pictorial muscle, baby jay, baby
Speaker 1: jaw gonna you learn how to count to man, because
Speaker 1: she ain't way to August. It's not three or four
Speaker 1: months older than me. He turns, He turns in there,
Speaker 1: and then I turned forty eight, So August September October
Speaker 1: November December. That's four months. Oh you turned your birthday, dreamer,
Speaker 1: Yeah it's not three months, but somebody to count for. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: don't do that no more. Man, We're gonna man what
Speaker 1: dub Let's go to the beginning, man um. I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like there was a church involved. I
Speaker 1: feel like you might not even have been born in
Speaker 1: the hospital. I feel like you were born at the church.
Speaker 1: You really a native too, You really a la name
Speaker 1: yea yea through Like where when did somebody to say
Speaker 1: to you that boy special, that boy man? Or when
Speaker 1: did you and went and when did it click for
Speaker 1: you that? Okay, I do something different. So I'm born
Speaker 1: born in Watts Me and Tiree is born in the
Speaker 1: same hospital, raised in South Central. I'm what you call
Speaker 1: a pew baby because I you know, they brought me
Speaker 1: home from the hospital and we went straight to church
Speaker 1: after that. But then I was raised you know, uh
Speaker 1: a street car fifty second in the city, second of
Speaker 1: Normandy right in the hood. Uh gang culture five Duce
Speaker 1: Hoover Crips was was the neighborhood I grew up in.
Speaker 1: So I had both things happening. Are you a five duce,
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a I'm what you call a writer,
Speaker 1: so you know we can get into that. You know.
Speaker 1: I really wanted to be jumped in so bad. My
Speaker 1: dad said, if I catch you, I hear that. She
Speaker 1: didn't got jumped in and put on I'm gonna kill
Speaker 1: you myself. And I was much more afraid of him
Speaker 1: than anybody on that block. Yeah, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I take my chances. Yeah, yeah, but yeah. So my
Speaker 1: family um in the small church that I was raised
Speaker 1: in was called King's Chapel Apostolic church on the east
Speaker 1: side of la Um was a very very liberal Black
Speaker 1: church because the bishops daughters were R and B singers.
Speaker 1: One was my godmother. Her name was Eton the Right Perry.
Speaker 1: She passed a couple of years ago. She was the
Speaker 1: lead singer in the band the group the Honeycomb going
Speaker 1: to put it on the one as the leads leading
Speaker 1: and the their father was our pastor. Her Her older
Speaker 1: sister's name is Darlene Love. She's known all over the
Speaker 1: world for being the Christmas Latest, the Christmas Songs of
Speaker 1: Phil Specter, that that that that documentary Twenty Feet from
Speaker 1: Scars start them. She was the start of that she
Speaker 1: on an oscar. Those were their sisters, their sisters wow,
Speaker 1: and so I grew up in their father's church. So
Speaker 1: and then my family and their family was the music department.
Speaker 1: My dad played bass and directed the choir and singing
Speaker 1: the choir. My uncle was played the oregon. My cousin
Speaker 1: played the drums. I played piano and drums. And the
Speaker 1: choir was my mom and my cousins and it was everybody.
Speaker 1: And then my uncle was a director in the same lead.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that singing, Uh, I'm going to sing
Speaker 1: the song for you. That's my uncle Michael. He passed
Speaker 1: away in eighty seven. He was on Broadway. So in
Speaker 1: our little church that it was only like a hundred
Speaker 1: people in this church. He was all his music. Everybody
Speaker 1: would come to my church. Ever the barge would come,
Speaker 1: Bonno would come, Diane Warwick would come, just Andre. People
Speaker 1: will just come because the music at that church was crazy.
Speaker 1: And I'm the church musician. I plus started playing drum.
Speaker 1: I'm at four in the church and so, yeah, four
Speaker 1: years old, four years old, Yeah, I was holding it down.
Speaker 1: By nine. By six, I was playing bass. By nine,
Speaker 1: I'm playing piano. And the thing is you better know
Speaker 1: how to play. You can't be whack, you know, because
Speaker 1: because there's no shoulder, there's no embarrassment like church embarrassment
Speaker 1: when you up there playing and then the sing go
Speaker 1: like this, like like don't don't stop. I'm a saying
Speaker 1: acapella because you mess them yet or they or they
Speaker 1: say and somebody hit you with them. Yeah, they move
Speaker 1: you over or that scoot or that scoot you over,
Speaker 1: like watch, I got you in for an and everybody
Speaker 1: look at you a hot You don't want that. I've
Speaker 1: been scooted off to be three piano player and I
Speaker 1: couldn't quite get my feet together. You could get the choreography,
Speaker 1: the choreography, and the preacher was hooping and I knew
Speaker 1: I was nailing it up here. I wasn't quite nail
Speaker 1: He looked at the other organs. That's when they do this.
Speaker 1: The switch side was somebody playing wrong. This is the sign.
Speaker 1: That was the sign church switch like, get some somebody else,
Speaker 1: get up there. I didn't even get that. I got, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I felt some arms school profiles. That's that East
Speaker 1: Coast embarrassment. You yeah you're white, but that's where I was.
Speaker 1: You know, so much music and it's all at this
Speaker 1: point you are you even listening to secular music? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're listening. Oh yeah, yeah, because my you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, all that was happening in our church.
Speaker 1: I mean, the bishop's daughters were R and B stars,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like, I mean, they were
Speaker 1: doing it, and all these people was around. Even when
Speaker 1: they needed, like people, somebody need to acchoire some kids,
Speaker 1: they would come get us. We'll sing on all records
Speaker 1: and all kinds of stuff. So you know when my
Speaker 1: other friends whose fathers were pastors and preachers, like you know,
Speaker 1: like Nissan rapping them, they could not listen shoutouton the
Speaker 1: Nissan Stewart raptor Stewart. Uh, they couldn't even they couldn't
Speaker 1: do none of that. And you know, because I was,
Speaker 1: I was super progressive for that time. Yeah. My dad,
Speaker 1: let me tell you what He's help to him. One time.
Speaker 1: I never I met Mario Winans when I was fourteen.
Speaker 1: He was out here playing drums for his moms at
Speaker 1: some church. Little Mario or no Mario. Yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 1: sun Yeah, before he became you know, big hit hit man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was one of the coldest drummers in the world, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm talking to him. He was telling me about
Speaker 1: how he don't food with secular music, and I was
Speaker 1: so enamored by him. I was about fourteen, he's a
Speaker 1: little bit older than me. He had just produced this
Speaker 1: some some uh, this gospel group and it was killing.
Speaker 1: I just thought I wanted to be Mario. He's like, y'all,
Speaker 1: don't fool was secular. So I said, okay, shoot, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. I ain't a secondary. So I go
Speaker 1: home to my dad, just trying to impress my dad. Really,
Speaker 1: you know, a dad, you know I'm not ever gonna
Speaker 1: do no. Secondly, because my dad said, man said, now,
Speaker 1: let me talk to you. He said, you don't do
Speaker 1: construction like me. You don't type, you don't take dictation.
Speaker 1: You are a musician. That's your occupation. I see all
Speaker 1: this music, you like this R and B. I don't
Speaker 1: really like all that custom because I was heavy in
Speaker 1: the n W at the time. But you do the
Speaker 1: music in your heart that you like because music is
Speaker 1: your occupation. Now you got your occupation and your salvation.
Speaker 1: What you don't want to do is let your occupation
Speaker 1: run all over your salvation. You gotta have standards, and
Speaker 1: that's what my dad told me at fourteen. You don't
Speaker 1: want to let your occupation your salvation. Yeah yeah, and
Speaker 1: so at that you know, so I just I went
Speaker 1: to death row. Welcome to death, Welcome to death Row.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And I think your video after this conversation.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's some time, but yeah, no, but
Speaker 1: you know, it was some time. But my father and
Speaker 1: at that time, we weren't in that little church anymore.
Speaker 1: Now my father's the pastor now and I'm the musician
Speaker 1: at the church. And you know, my dad sent me
Speaker 1: out to do this. He was like, no, you do
Speaker 1: what you do and come back. At that point, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember we talked about my friend Nissan Stewart going
Speaker 1: to his dad and saying, Bishop Stewart man this letting
Speaker 1: nisignd come with me to do this gig Rest in
Speaker 1: Peace Puff Johnson Rmby singer. She hadn't put a band together.
Speaker 1: We went to go do y'all remember the Impact Convention. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely. Nissan came with me. He played and was
Speaker 1: we was trying to get her and get back, get
Speaker 1: Ni something back for church. It was late, so he
Speaker 1: got into the airport landed in La get to the house.
Speaker 1: Bitch was sitting in the kitchen. Y'all didn't make it
Speaker 1: back to church. I said, Bishop Nissan, make eight hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: He said, eight hundred dollars. We'll take him again next
Speaker 1: time too. He opened, now Nissa, he opened and rapture.
Speaker 1: He started doing stuff, you know. But my dad was like,
Speaker 1: really like on some No, you go and do what
Speaker 1: you got to do. Like, this is your job, make money,
Speaker 1: do it. It doesn't affect how you live your life. No, no,
Speaker 1: he was like, you you can be saved into your job.
Speaker 1: He says, I'm a pastor, and when I leave church,
Speaker 1: I go to work. What do I work? My dad
Speaker 1: worked at the brewery. He worked at anne Hauser Bush
Speaker 1: for thirty five years. Wow, I'm the pastor. I make beer,
Speaker 1: so they don't pay my bills. I paid my bills.
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, that's your occupation. Two different things. So
Speaker 1: that's that's how I lived my life. Now. My my
Speaker 1: um north star in music is Quincy Jones. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: everything that Quincy Jones did I just tried. I would
Speaker 1: read all about them whatever I wanted to do. That
Speaker 1: that's the reason why I went to work for Electration
Speaker 1: Records to do an R and when I got there,
Speaker 1: I read that Quincy Jones wouldn't take a black title
Speaker 1: VP of A and R of Black Music. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not taking the black title, So I want to
Speaker 1: be involved in the conversations, you know, with everything. So
Speaker 1: with Silvia Rong, she I'm in the room when she's
Speaker 1: I'm at I'm with her. When she goes to see
Speaker 1: Jet and she signs Jet, I'm in the room she
Speaker 1: signs Jason Murras, or when she's working on a Metallica
Speaker 1: and Staying album, I'm like in the conversations because I
Speaker 1: want to be involved in all that because Quincy Jones
Speaker 1: did it. Quincy Jones was scoring absolute and if you go,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about in the Heat, in the Heat of
Speaker 1: the Night, the Palm Broker, and then the sixties, the movies,
Speaker 1: the Italian Job, the original Quincy and he did it
Speaker 1: on paper like this. Yeah, So I'm like, I gotta
Speaker 1: do that. Like I'm like, I wanted to emulate that guy.
Speaker 1: So you know, oh yeah yeah, my dad man shout
Speaker 1: up to my pops. He told me. When I started playing,
Speaker 1: he realized I had a gift. You know, he says, Listen,
Speaker 1: I don't want you to be another dime a dozen
Speaker 1: church musician. That's exactly what he said, because everybody can play.
Speaker 1: Listen listening to church. Everybody in his church play. Everybody
Speaker 1: I played, play, did everybody play? But what you're gonna
Speaker 1: do with it? After that? I need you to go.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send you that he sent me the lessons.
Speaker 1: I was in Artie Colburn Conservatory. It was at usc
Speaker 1: Um School at twelve, learning classical music, learning to play
Speaker 1: classical piano. By the time I was fourteen, I was
Speaker 1: in music composition in classes. He took me a guy
Speaker 1: named Herb Mickman who was a bass player and an
Speaker 1: m d. For Sara Van who taught me jazz composition
Speaker 1: and in theory and things of that nature. And I
Speaker 1: learn how to write from piccolos all the way down
Speaker 1: to double basses in orchestrate, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So um, you know? And I didn't student, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I didn't, Like I tell people all the time,
Speaker 1: I didn't do that just to play with eight away
Speaker 1: to make high hats go fast like I really want
Speaker 1: to do it. I could do that. Talk, Yeah, can
Speaker 1: we stop. Yeah, yeah, can we pause the pot for
Speaker 1: a minute. I don't know, I don't know who needed
Speaker 1: to hear that. I don't know, I don't know who
Speaker 1: needed to feel that, floss Man, but my god, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know we were in the time now where you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier the sounds and how that was,
Speaker 1: you know, um, a part of the the sonic identification
Speaker 1: of a producer. Now everybody the reason why the radio
Speaker 1: sounds like one long song because everybody's getting the same
Speaker 1: sounds from the same places they go. You can go
Speaker 1: a line download sounds and everybody's doing the same thing.
Speaker 1: When we were digging through records to crates and I,
Speaker 1: oh man, I found a snare from Blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: oh Man, and I had my own little thing with that,
Speaker 1: and that was my sound. You know, nowadays I like
Speaker 1: to keep with that. So it may take me a
Speaker 1: little longer to do a record. That's okay. But when
Speaker 1: it comes sonically, you don't know it's me, You're gonna
Speaker 1: know it's something different. You know, you're hurt, you're hearing
Speaker 1: something different than what you hear normally. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I wish I'm teaching my son. Now he's twelve.
Speaker 1: He's playing bass and programming and stuff like that. He's
Speaker 1: in a program called YOLA, the Youth Orchestra of Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: It's like the farm team from the La Philharmonic. He's
Speaker 1: playing upright bass and stuff like that. But I'm I'm
Speaker 1: showing him things like how to like I put him
Speaker 1: on an NPC sixty three thousand, teach him that, like
Speaker 1: learn how to make sounds for yourself, Like I'm not
Speaker 1: giving you sounds that everybody else got. You're gonna learn
Speaker 1: how to work with thieves, you know. And so even
Speaker 1: though he's twelve, like he doesn't know nothing else. He
Speaker 1: don't know if he never heard the future, he never
Speaker 1: heard you know, whatever's happening right now, he hain't heard it.
Speaker 1: He has he has no idea. He's listening to Body
Speaker 1: Heat by Quincy Jones. He's listening off the wall. He's
Speaker 1: listening to classical stuff, like stuff that I'm trying to
Speaker 1: like because he's gonna get to that, yeah, generically by himself.
Speaker 1: But when he gets there, he's gonna have all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Because I eventually got to the hip hop and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. But I had so much stuff in me
Speaker 1: that my father instilled in me. By the time I
Speaker 1: got to it, I just thought about it differently, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, I see what you're doing
Speaker 1: A love our ball See what you're doing over there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: big baller, big baller brand. Yeah. So you so you
Speaker 1: get this. You have this label now, successful label? When
Speaker 1: when when did Mary Dropped? Mary? Mary Drop Memory came out,
Speaker 1: Uh May two thousand the first album, That's exactly why.
Speaker 1: And at the time we won a label, yet we
Speaker 1: were still night Raw Productions, Narrow Entertainment. It was my
Speaker 1: name backwards. I remember that. I remember that, I've seen,
Speaker 1: I've seen Oprah had Harpa was her name backward. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do ni Raw didn't didn't make sense at all,
Speaker 1: but I did it. And by the third album, which
Speaker 1: was the album with UH, had a song called Yesterday's
Speaker 1: big song called Yesterday and there heaven Um I changed it.
Speaker 1: We flipped everything to actual labels. That was two thousand
Speaker 1: and six, So we became a label once two thousand
Speaker 1: and six, and they were the only people signed to
Speaker 1: the label them. When I had a little sister, I
Speaker 1: had I have a little Joy, so Joy Joy starts.
Speaker 1: She's still one of the coldest singers and writers ever.
Speaker 1: We just did a deal for her through our label
Speaker 1: with Clive and um, you know that was happening. So
Speaker 1: she was like the second person signed that I had married, married,
Speaker 1: and you know, it kept going and going, and we
Speaker 1: signed Kelly Price and did that. That the only time
Speaker 1: she was nominated for that many grand She was nominated
Speaker 1: for three Grammys that year. It was a great album
Speaker 1: called Um Kelly, I think it was just called Kelly.
Speaker 1: She had a song called not My Daddy stokely Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: that was ours. We signed my Daddy, Yeah, uh, Not
Speaker 1: my Daddy is produced by Yes, I did produce because
Speaker 1: I was gonna say I did, but but like I
Speaker 1: played it on the piano senter to them. They that's
Speaker 1: that's me condition playing all the stuff though, but I'm
Speaker 1: producing it. So but yeah, do that album. And then
Speaker 1: we signed music Soul Child. We did an album on him.
Speaker 1: And of course I remember not to cut you off.
Speaker 1: I remember coming by your studio and you know, you
Speaker 1: know I used to just pop in on you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's it's funny, like you said, you and take
Speaker 1: work once together. I don't think we've ever worked together.
Speaker 1: I think we just always homies because you you was
Speaker 1: with Damon in them. Yeah, and I lived in the house,
Speaker 1: the little the thing next door, y'all was in Running Springs.
Speaker 1: I was in Blackham State right there. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: and we were just I mean, I don't we probably
Speaker 1: twenty years at this point, being friends, play a little basketball,
Speaker 1: play basketball, didn't hand out, but never work. But you
Speaker 1: know me and in Tank always says it takes us
Speaker 1: always just like Jay just he'd be checking on people.
Speaker 1: He would pop in and I just come by the studio.
Speaker 1: I think one day I came by. No, I think,
Speaker 1: I know I came by one day and you're working
Speaker 1: with music social and I just, you know, you would
Speaker 1: just let me sit there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You you was never wanting something like, oh yeah, man,
Speaker 1: we got a session and if you come back. But
Speaker 1: we all know, Daryl just you know there are people
Speaker 1: I've never been like that. But your working space is
Speaker 1: your working space to right, So I see I see
Speaker 1: both sides of that. UM. And I just came and
Speaker 1: I set in and I'm watching you work with him.
Speaker 1: And this is the first time I've seen someone be
Speaker 1: um next level perfectionist music soulio Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, different.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there listening to him do the same
Speaker 1: thing perfectly a hundred times, a hundred times over, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is insane. He would not stop. You
Speaker 1: know what I would do, I go go back, len,
Speaker 1: get down. You know you finished, you can seeking some
Speaker 1: more if you want done? All right, that's exactly when
Speaker 1: he don't. I go back to the very first thing
Speaker 1: he did. Okay, that's the one I wanted the whole time.
Speaker 1: But you know that's just way process. No, no, no.
Speaker 1: It was amazing. But I also appreciated your patience as
Speaker 1: a producer, because there are producers who get in the
Speaker 1: way of the artist's creativity and what the artist wants
Speaker 1: and not and not understanding that it's the artist wreck,
Speaker 1: it's their wreck. Their pictures going on there. This I
Speaker 1: got a little line in the back with my name.
Speaker 1: This is listen, that's a that's tank on there. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there are a little there aren't a lot of producers,
Speaker 1: especially at a high level. Yeah that's still allowed that,
Speaker 1: you know, because the producer became like an artist. They
Speaker 1: were big, like like there's a reason why I don't
Speaker 1: have as an identifiable sound like we've mentioned Timbo, we
Speaker 1: mentioned Frell and all these guys, Dre even Bank. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got these sounds like when you when the record
Speaker 1: come on, you know, I mean that's a dress blaze record. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a yeah. I never had to pick out a
Speaker 1: Warran camp. I never had the camp because they are
Speaker 1: Gucci Louis Vaton like a brand. I'm a tailor. It's
Speaker 1: a difference when artist comes to me, I'm gonna Taylor
Speaker 1: make the suit to you is it's gonna be at
Speaker 1: the level of Gucci, but it's gonna be only yours.
Speaker 1: And when you get done what we get done doing this,
Speaker 1: we're gonna break the mode because nobody is gonna have
Speaker 1: that sound but you. Yeah, and that's it. And I'd
Speaker 1: rather do that because I don't know if I even
Speaker 1: have the bandwidth or it ain't the bandwidth. It's the
Speaker 1: it's not it's not necessarily add but I can't just
Speaker 1: do one thing. Yeah, So what I'm saying, like, well,
Speaker 1: everybody in music or entertainment has a little bit of
Speaker 1: add We are what you know, like these are my
Speaker 1: this is my sound? What I do that would I
Speaker 1: would go crazy. I gotta do something different all the time.
Speaker 1: Like one day I might do a whole record. I'm
Speaker 1: never gonna I'm just played the guitar the whole time.
Speaker 1: Next thing's gonna be the arms, it's gonna be I
Speaker 1: gotta do something different. So so that goes to my
Speaker 1: question then, because I had this experience, and I want
Speaker 1: to know if if either one of y'all I'm sure
Speaker 1: y'all did, had the same experience. My first quote unquote
Speaker 1: hit record would be Tyres I like them girls, right.
Speaker 1: I have placement before that, but that's my first hit
Speaker 1: record where people were like, oh shit, like this is
Speaker 1: a this is a this is a record. That's one
Speaker 1: who wrote it? This? Who that? Who that? And I
Speaker 1: remember the frustration of taking these label meetings and then
Speaker 1: then wanting me to write that same song again. See that.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. I like it really and
Speaker 1: I'm a baby I'm I wrote that record when I
Speaker 1: was eighteen, I think eighteen or nineteen years old, and
Speaker 1: and I don't really understand it. And I still had
Speaker 1: young arrogance too. They don't want these other hunted you
Speaker 1: hit ease. What they want pieces of that same song
Speaker 1: so they can put it around the industry. And that's
Speaker 1: what I didn't understand, you know. And me and my
Speaker 1: man R. J. Rodney, we had these long conversations like no, man, like,
Speaker 1: just take the same you gotta hit record take and
Speaker 1: just do five hundred of those like he was good.
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't do it. I can't. He
Speaker 1: was so brilliant at that. I was like, this is
Speaker 1: there's a gift to that too, though it is. He
Speaker 1: was like, man, this one hit record, it's gonna make
Speaker 1: me way more money because I'm just I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't mind. Executives are going to ask for that
Speaker 1: same song. But you know how many times I got
Speaker 1: asked for can't we get a UM take you out tonight?
Speaker 1: Can I get a shackles? I want? I want the shackles.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is this is my comeback, and this
Speaker 1: is real answer. This is what I believe. I tell everybody,
Speaker 1: I didn't write that song. God writes songs. I take dictation.
Speaker 1: That's it. It's a download. Like I didn't come up
Speaker 1: with that. I didn't sit down and so letbe come
Speaker 1: with a song. To know it was a download Like
Speaker 1: I was walking around my boom and just hit me
Speaker 1: like oh, and I just do it. I I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't come up with that on my own. I
Speaker 1: can't wake up in the morning, so let me think
Speaker 1: of something and just no, it's not gonna happen that way.
Speaker 1: It's always I'm minding my business and a just like
Speaker 1: a like a left hook, I'm like, oh, that's the idea.
Speaker 1: Let me go write it down real quick. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: taking dictations. It's a download to me, so like, don't
Speaker 1: expect me to reproduce that. I can't. But I could
Speaker 1: do something and it's gonna be dope, but it's gonna
Speaker 1: be something different. I just think it's like for me,
Speaker 1: it's always like time and space, and so when you're
Speaker 1: when you're making music in a time and space, it
Speaker 1: completely represents that time and space and true for me,
Speaker 1: it's just hard to go back to that life, whatever
Speaker 1: point in life that was. I'm not. I'm just not
Speaker 1: going through that anymore. As bad as people want you
Speaker 1: to do it, I can't. I wish I could, you know,
Speaker 1: like I've I've I've read, I've recycled some drums like
Speaker 1: two or three times that I thought was cool. The
Speaker 1: under drums, emergency drums, because I was like, this could
Speaker 1: be no connected record. Just you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: there's connected records. But for the most part, I was like,
Speaker 1: I just never want to be picked out of the bunch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just want to be able to continue to make
Speaker 1: music without people feeling like they're getting something that I
Speaker 1: gave somebody else. That's a co financial decision, though it is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I left millions on the table flat out, like
Speaker 1: I know for a fact, Yeah, I lot millions of
Speaker 1: dollars on the table by wanting to be creative. For me,
Speaker 1: it wasn't that I would not do it. I could
Speaker 1: not it. Yeah, I didn't want to. I didn't want it.
Speaker 1: Used to listen I'm talking and they'll list your record. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you just give us one of those, maybe I deserves.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, just like, man, I don't even date
Speaker 1: her anymore. For me, it's like I can't remember how
Speaker 1: I put that because, like you said, time, I wasn't
Speaker 1: doing something like the song was in conversation. The song
Speaker 1: wasn't like I was just having a conversation. I said,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, right, Oh. The assumption is that I
Speaker 1: happened to the song. No, the song happened to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it came out of it just happened to me. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I can't. I cannot tell you now. I
Speaker 1: do have good command of my instrument. You're you're pro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing, so I can do some things.
Speaker 1: But it's not gonna be that's gonna be another you know, no,
Speaker 1: because I mean when you listen, will you listen to
Speaker 1: your music? Honestly, bro? Like, will you go? It's just
Speaker 1: it's amazing, man, it's amazing. Like you said to do
Speaker 1: a take take you out to a shackles, but then
Speaker 1: to do a just a friend for Mario and then
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, then do what God is
Speaker 1: for Kanye homecoming for Kanye come home bro, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: those records, that's one of my favorite ones. Yeah, An
Speaker 1: you never say the same guy. No way you're gonna
Speaker 1: say the same guy. That's just listening to a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of different kind of music all the time. Think
Speaker 1: chot out again to my dad. He had all to
Speaker 1: do just yeah, being well versed and not being one dimensional. Yeah,
Speaker 1: listening to everything, I just never know. You just never
Speaker 1: know what's going to die out and things happened, like
Speaker 1: you know, I wrote a record. I never get this
Speaker 1: Black Streets Nothing lasted only I think it's the second album.
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I did this record Call in a Rush, right,
Speaker 1: it was the third album. I was in a movie
Speaker 1: theater watching this movie called sling Blade. Yeah right. John
Speaker 1: Riddard before he passedes in this movie, and he Billy
Speaker 1: Bob plays a special needs guy. And then John Ridderd's
Speaker 1: character gets him together with this other special needs girl.
Speaker 1: He's gonna set him up on a date. He cooks
Speaker 1: dinner for him and he gets overwhelmed. He says it
Speaker 1: came over me in a rush. And those that when
Speaker 1: he said that, I said it hit me in a rush.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, I left the theater. I ran,
Speaker 1: I ran, I ran to my car. They want I
Speaker 1: don't want to lose. I wrote it down, drove as
Speaker 1: fast as I could in the studio. Came over me
Speaker 1: to rush. By the time I got to the studio,
Speaker 1: it wasn't it hit me in a rush. It was
Speaker 1: it came over me in a rush. And I started
Speaker 1: it came over me in a rush. When I realized
Speaker 1: that I love you so much that sometimes I cried,
Speaker 1: but I can't tell you why why I feel what
Speaker 1: I feel inside? And I was like, things hit you,
Speaker 1: they happen to It's like when Jeffrey Osborne came on,
Speaker 1: he was telling us about on the Wings of Love,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and I get chills that
Speaker 1: record right there, special. You have a record that to
Speaker 1: me like, yes, your records have they're they're in different spaces.
Speaker 1: But there's one record to me that just does not
Speaker 1: feel like a Warren Campbell record to me at all.
Speaker 1: It's a big record for you too, which one Drew Hill?
Speaker 1: How Deep is Your Love for Me? Oh? That does
Speaker 1: not feel like a Warren Campbell record to me. Well,
Speaker 1: that's because it's the collaboration on that. Okay, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: me Dutch, Dutch and no Kio. Yeah. So what happened
Speaker 1: was we were that's just my guy too. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Rick Kuzinn. That's said. It's the light skin version of
Speaker 1: that Dutch. And so we were doing Drew Hill. Remember
Speaker 1: the old Laraby West of course had two studios in
Speaker 1: that so I'm we're doing Drew Hill. He's in one studio.
Speaker 1: I'm in another studio working with Woody doing his ballot,
Speaker 1: and I have a cello player in there writing out
Speaker 1: parts for the cello player. Our manager Kenneth Creer campeon
Speaker 1: and says, Yo, they need a song for Rush Hour.
Speaker 1: The night before that, I had just recorded on a
Speaker 1: cassette tape because this idea was but these little chords,
Speaker 1: and I recorded them on a cassette because I wanted
Speaker 1: to remember that I had it with me. I played
Speaker 1: that for Dutch like that's dope. So Dush did the
Speaker 1: drums and I played that stuff on top of it,
Speaker 1: and it's a base and I brought the cello play
Speaker 1: over and I wrote some cello partes. Dude. But she
Speaker 1: did that and then writing, and people didn't know how
Speaker 1: dope of a producer Nokio was. Nokios a beast man,
Speaker 1: super talented. So those three brain powers. That probably doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like me by myself, because you know, the backbeat
Speaker 1: usually gives the identity of the drums, you know, for
Speaker 1: R and B, it's like, you know that's Dutch, that's
Speaker 1: that's Dutch all day. I just picked that out of
Speaker 1: the records, of all the records, I was just like
Speaker 1: that one. It feels less. Yeah, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's an amalgamation of three brains. And then when
Speaker 1: you get to the part where there's Red Man on
Speaker 1: that record, on the original Red Band's on the original
Speaker 1: record when they shot the video. They shot the video
Speaker 1: in the Hong Kong because that album was on the
Speaker 1: the Rush Hour contract. For whatever reason, red Man at
Speaker 1: the time couldn't leave a country for something. I don't
Speaker 1: know what was going on. Most rappers clean lyad the
Speaker 1: country for whatever reason. Now this is ninety eight, remember
Speaker 1: remember so they called me at that time. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Kenneth Cree used to come. I want to say he
Speaker 1: might have been halfway managing Damon for Minnie because he
Speaker 1: used to always pop in. That's when Sugar to come
Speaker 1: to the gate before that's before that. Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 1: I remember driving by and something like Simon. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was the standard. He was standing outside his car talking
Speaker 1: to somebody, was like, I just kept driving. I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on. What's going because I live right
Speaker 1: next door. I'm like, I'm gonna keep driving. H Then
Speaker 1: Damon told me later what happened anyway out of the
Speaker 1: Dame Thomas and Harvey Mason, but they go to Hong
Speaker 1: Kong to shoot the video and Red Man can't go,
Speaker 1: so they need a bridge. So they called himself, we
Speaker 1: need you to come to Hong Kong. I was like,
Speaker 1: Hong Kong, okay, are you? They flew me to Hong
Speaker 1: Kong to do the bridge to Hong Kong. We come
Speaker 1: to home. You know, I got a couple of kids
Speaker 1: over there, Homekong, I got. I got a couple of
Speaker 1: younger home. Definitely got an uncle that Mike got. I
Speaker 1: was in a bushing Hong Kong sixty seven over there,
Speaker 1: spends a couple of tours in Hong Kong. Y'all went
Speaker 1: over there did the bridge. That was an amazing time,
Speaker 1: you know, and it was just you know, that record
Speaker 1: was my first number one and it just what it
Speaker 1: did was a set off in my mind who I
Speaker 1: was or who I could be in the industry. That
Speaker 1: they gave me a sense of value like that they
Speaker 1: would call me to come over there because Dutch was there,
Speaker 1: you know, No, that was all there, and I guess
Speaker 1: maybe they left for me. I don't know, because they
Speaker 1: didn't need me for that, but it was like, no,
Speaker 1: you gotta come and do it. I was like, y'all
Speaker 1: need me I was like, oh cool, So I felt needed.
Speaker 1: I realized like, oh, people need me for certain things,
Speaker 1: you know. And being that I was young, I might
Speaker 1: have took that a little too far because it went
Speaker 1: from that to being just everybody goes to this arrogant phase,
Speaker 1: especially when money comes into play. I'm twenty three at
Speaker 1: the time, and I'm twenty three and I just made
Speaker 1: my first million. You know what I'm saying. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's a different thing happening in my life, you know.
Speaker 1: So I walked in rooms going, yeah, I'm probably better
Speaker 1: than everybody here. I would never say it. I don't
Speaker 1: even act like that, but in my mind, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: the best there is. She got she got cheap. He's
Speaker 1: trying to add sauce because warn Campbell here, you don't
Speaker 1: usually be you don't usually be doing all that. Take
Speaker 1: Take a boy, his hands on him. They got their
Speaker 1: hands with you. The dance team is here, man good
Speaker 1: he flat. I know you have perfect pitch. Thinks I
Speaker 1: have relative picture, just out of control. Top five? How
Speaker 1: do you like that? Enough? Top five? You see you
Speaker 1: see my wife? You're top five? You're top five? Oh
Speaker 1: your Toper's Billy Joels on us he gonna go there,
Speaker 1: he's gonna go there. I who'll toper top your two? Five?
Speaker 1: That's saucy. That's saucy right there? You top? Oh, top five?
Speaker 1: Did you say, finn, it's top five? What it's top what?
Speaker 1: I wanted to hit that? I said five, because five
Speaker 1: is the fifth degree in that key to be flat.
Speaker 1: Let's be flat five. Yeah, that's that's the fifth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have no that's the flat. I have no idea
Speaker 1: what someone is e flat and kind of go to
Speaker 1: go to make skill up one to three four? Five?
Speaker 1: You said top five. I said five. That's why I
Speaker 1: hate that note, because it's the fifth, the fifth. Agree,
Speaker 1: that's nerd crab man. Sorry, y'all speaking alien. Look at
Speaker 1: I ain't said nothing. You look at him like I
Speaker 1: just cussed you out because you took me back to
Speaker 1: a time where I was in Uh. I was at
Speaker 1: Morgan State. Uh. And we'll give you to five. It
Speaker 1: is in Morgan State. And I got a full scholarship
Speaker 1: from doctor Carter. Like doctor Carter Morgan State. That's in Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Did you know Machicacha. Oh yeah, yeah, big big classical school. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: so we did, right, And so I have it doctor
Speaker 1: Carter talking like James Brown, what you want to mine there?
Speaker 1: I was like mina po I guess. So he put
Speaker 1: me in class with a doctor Conway. M So doctor
Speaker 1: Conway was like, play something from me. I'm in there,
Speaker 1: oh oh bad farm and everything, and I'm and I
Speaker 1: think I'm jazzing him out right, I'm killing him, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you ain't got none of this. He gets on, Hey
Speaker 1: looks he's oh nice nice, not oh nice, nice nice,
Speaker 1: he said, and he says nices. So you went from
Speaker 1: an eight nine nineteenth to a forty eighth and then
Speaker 1: if you would have added an eighth right over top
Speaker 1: of your ninety, I would have really killed and then
Speaker 1: you cool down. I hate this place. I hated this place.
Speaker 1: I was gone in two months. I was like two
Speaker 1: months gone. So anyway, your top five dead are alive,
Speaker 1: R and B singers male or female, dead or alive
Speaker 1: no order. M uh well, I'm gonna have to talk
Speaker 1: about a need a baker. You better talk about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to talk about needing um and I'm talking
Speaker 1: about top five. I'm I'm to talk to the I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to go talk to Sam Cook. Top five
Speaker 1: not just because I did the record on it. But
Speaker 1: I mnna have to talk to Luther. You gotta talk.
Speaker 1: I've recently seen something on him yesterday that made me
Speaker 1: come at Luther was cold. He was without doing all
Speaker 1: that because he was different. He did to do all
Speaker 1: the runs that he just had the tone that the presence.
Speaker 1: You gotta go Stevie mm hmm yeah um. And I
Speaker 1: want to go to another female and just say Eretha.
Speaker 1: But there's more. But because you can't Ereth, you can't
Speaker 1: you know, because there's there's there's there's levels under that. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't sing together put together that two hundred Greatest
Speaker 1: Singers list. Yeah, yeah. I don't get called for stuff
Speaker 1: like that, None of us do. Yeah, the phone calls
Speaker 1: actually go there are no phone calls list. Somebody said,
Speaker 1: I think those are researchers, right, Those aren't people from
Speaker 1: the cloth. They're looking at streams and stuff. They're they're
Speaker 1: looking at something. Those are being counters. Yeah, they are not.
Speaker 1: They are not part. They don't know them about this here. No,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure somebody on that on that on that board.
Speaker 1: Watch the R and B Money Podcast You need your
Speaker 1: ass kick, all right? Top five R and B songs.
Speaker 1: M that's tough because you are a writer, top and
Speaker 1: a producer, label owner, a label owner too. It's one
Speaker 1: of them is going to be and and I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about hits on the radio, great songs, your top five.
Speaker 1: One of us gonna be some or soft by Stevie
Speaker 1: Wonder on the song to Kill Life album Summer Soft.
Speaker 1: Um that I'm gonna have to say. Um. I think
Speaker 1: it's called try something new, Smokey Robinson, look it up,
Speaker 1: try something new. If that don't do, I'll try something new.
Speaker 1: You never heard that one. I can build you a tower.
Speaker 1: I have your own castle. Yeah, I don't do. I'll
Speaker 1: try something new. Mmmmm. Oh yeah, it's called record. I
Speaker 1: know exactly a record. Talk about uh, because I was
Speaker 1: gonna say that one of tears of a clown. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try something new amazing. You know you can't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can call us. R and
Speaker 1: B started out as um, a Leon Russell song, and
Speaker 1: then Donnie had the Way did it? And I think
Speaker 1: I want to say George's been somebody that did it too.
Speaker 1: Call the song for you. You're not calling that R
Speaker 1: and V. Well, because in the origin of Leon Russell's
Speaker 1: you know pop rock guy. Um oh yeah, I'll be
Speaker 1: knowing my history about all the I'm a I'm a
Speaker 1: geek with this music. Um then I can go a
Speaker 1: little current. It's one of my favorites of all time
Speaker 1: is um uh do you believe in Love? And the Bninis?
Speaker 1: I not love you Belave Caulve Yeah, those guys, Jodas
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna say because this is just this
Speaker 1: is something I will listen to. I'll never get tired
Speaker 1: of hearing. Is de Angelo's version of cruising to production
Speaker 1: him has not been duplicated. No, no, yeah, no one
Speaker 1: has touched that. Man. You rock with Smokey, one of
Speaker 1: the best songwriters to ever do. Yeah, you got a
Speaker 1: smoky thing? Can I can I add a new section
Speaker 1: for him? I was gonna ask me that. Did he like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know what I ain't ain't noways bringing something back.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be at the gas. I was gonna go
Speaker 1: go back to what he was, gang bag smoking smoking.
Speaker 1: He was a king thing. You're I'm gonna get you.
Speaker 1: This is a new segment just for you. This is
Speaker 1: Warren Cambus. This is a Warren Campbell. I need y'all
Speaker 1: to say it when the next person comes. So so,
Speaker 1: anytime we ask about this segment, this war cambun ask
Speaker 1: me nothing about it. I'm not about it now. It
Speaker 1: just it just just slapped me in the face, the
Speaker 1: new Warren Campbell segment. Your top five R and B producers. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm rolling now. He has information, a lot of it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna gonna downlow. This is not the first one's out.
Speaker 1: Number one, all right, there's gonna be Quincy Johnson. Of
Speaker 1: course you can, of course you are anytime hmm. A
Speaker 1: producer who does not not produce how we do when
Speaker 1: we physically are. He produces from his roller decks and
Speaker 1: his pen. You play this, you play that roller decks.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this person and you get the same
Speaker 1: result every time, even the same sound sonically. He's just
Speaker 1: done too much right under him. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: Reef Martin, our ref my Dean Martin from Turkish, from Turkey.
Speaker 1: He's passed on. He started out as an arranger, big
Speaker 1: band arranger, worked at at an Atlantic for years under
Speaker 1: Jerry reck Wexler and Aland Ernigan. Went on to produce
Speaker 1: songs like I Feel for You, Brown to get what
Speaker 1: because Shaka Khan Autumn, What are you Gonna do? Fun Day?
Speaker 1: That that that album I Love You. That's a Reef Martin. Yes,
Speaker 1: come on, come on, get come home Old Turkeys Reef.
Speaker 1: You know it's probably right now, he'd be in his
Speaker 1: he'd probably be in his nineties right now. A Reef
Speaker 1: was the man. So you gotta red Wow. After that,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be uh um, oh God, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: Bernard Edwards, but it's it's uh the other one. Oh
Speaker 1: Lord Jesus. Now Rogers and Chic thank you. Uh because
Speaker 1: the bass players. Bernard I got the bass player in
Speaker 1: my head, but now Rogers unmatched the consistency for decades.
Speaker 1: Then let's move up into our era. Okay, it's going
Speaker 1: to have to be Teddy Riley still now. Now, we
Speaker 1: just talked about him doing that record with me, so
Speaker 1: let me just get into that just a little bit.
Speaker 1: With the Walls Group, first song on the album they
Speaker 1: wanted the nineties. You know, these kids are really in
Speaker 1: the nineties music right now. So on their last album,
Speaker 1: I did like a nineties record for him. They loved
Speaker 1: thatsel to another one, so I did this. I worked
Speaker 1: up this new jack swing drink that I did, and
Speaker 1: they loved that. They wrote a song to it. I said,
Speaker 1: let me send it to Teddy and see. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: he's gonna say, I'll play some talkbox on it. He
Speaker 1: loved it so much he called me back and said,
Speaker 1: how far can I go? I said, shoot, Teddy, go
Speaker 1: as far as you want to go. He's sent it
Speaker 1: back with like all the Teddy Roley stuff on it
Speaker 1: and gave me a remix. That's that sounded like, keep
Speaker 1: it in the closet on top of you ain't heard
Speaker 1: that one yet? Up sparing up. Oh my god, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: So Teddy Riley here is that? He's that dude. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to see because now you're about be on your fifth.
Speaker 1: You sang the fifth. Now you're about to be on
Speaker 1: your fifth. And to me, there are two production teams
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to see which one is gonna get
Speaker 1: picked because I'm about kit I'm about to hit you
Speaker 1: with it. I got I'm you know what, I'm sitting up, man,
Speaker 1: sitting up, man, give me some cheese to say, Oh no,
Speaker 1: we don't say their name. They ain't they paid us.
Speaker 1: We're gonna oh yeah, no, no, no, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: jamm and Lewis. It's gonna be Jamon Lewis. Um, I
Speaker 1: can't argue Jammon Lewis. Yeah, but La and Face might
Speaker 1: have an argument because I'm gonna tell you why I
Speaker 1: didn't go La in face because I'm a musician, right
Speaker 1: faces a musician. You know, La was a drummer, but
Speaker 1: really that whole movement was more about Face and it's
Speaker 1: what he was bringing to that thing, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, And the writing, jamm and Lewis equal parts.
Speaker 1: Like Jam can play the crap out that keyboard, Terry
Speaker 1: can play the crap out that base I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: like nasty, but then Terry is one writing and producing
Speaker 1: the vocals too. Then Jam is mixing. It's just like
Speaker 1: the the vision of labor. Yeah, there is of l Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like I respect that, Like you know, it's not
Speaker 1: heavy on one side. It's like they both without each other.
Speaker 1: That that doesn't work. You see where a baby Face
Speaker 1: went on without La and still did everything. Here's here's
Speaker 1: here's what I want from you. One Campbell. We're gonna
Speaker 1: make an R and B voltron. Okay, I want to
Speaker 1: know who you're getting the voice from, the performance style,
Speaker 1: from the styling from and then the passion. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna start with the vocal. Who's the vocal? Are you
Speaker 1: still thing to make your voltron artists? And it has
Speaker 1: to be an R and B artist. I mean, let's
Speaker 1: up to you, brother. I mean, you're gonna make him
Speaker 1: sing R and B because they're gonna sing R and
Speaker 1: B because you are who you are. You can you know,
Speaker 1: do it? Do it? Who got the votals? Whose voice
Speaker 1: is it? I'm okay, I'm gonna go with the vampire.
Speaker 1: Marvin whin EN's. They call him the vampire because he's
Speaker 1: never met a vamp. He didn't like I'm talking about
Speaker 1: on the spot, you go to a vamp. He got
Speaker 1: ad libs for days. It's like he's just writing another
Speaker 1: song on the spot. Like you you ever hear somebody
Speaker 1: freestyle nice that that can spit. He's that dude. It's
Speaker 1: a whole another song. I'm whing Marvin Wine is as
Speaker 1: the voice. Jonathan Hall used to kick my ass. We
Speaker 1: was on tour with Jinia one mm ad lipping and
Speaker 1: I'm like, how do you know an ad lib like that?
Speaker 1: I can add live. But what are you doing? He said,
Speaker 1: Marvin whit Marvin Winners, You've never listened. You ain't never
Speaker 1: seen thathing like this in your life. Used to whoop me,
Speaker 1: I'm coming with a whole of the song on top
Speaker 1: of the song, and you'd be like, this is crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with Marvin Winners.
Speaker 1: Who who are you getting the styling from? With the
Speaker 1: drip of the artists their aura? What does that look like?
Speaker 1: They earnest Paul, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that that that's probably
Speaker 1: going to be because now the artist is a man
Speaker 1: drip wise, if you know what. Who I've always been
Speaker 1: a fan of how they dressed on stage is uh
Speaker 1: Marvin Gaye. M feel like Marvin gay will put glitter
Speaker 1: on anything, head band hit hoodies. He had like glitter vest,
Speaker 1: he wear boots with a pin striped jacket. He were
Speaker 1: all kind of crazy stuff like that, I think. But
Speaker 1: I think he was a king of signature like stuff
Speaker 1: like like when he had when he wore to Beanie,
Speaker 1: it became like that's that's the Marvin Gaye, the hiss
Speaker 1: ability to make things, you know. So Marvin gave Yeah,
Speaker 1: Marvin Gail d Marvin, Marvin, Marvin and Marvin, Marvin and
Speaker 1: Marvin and then what was the other category you're getting
Speaker 1: the performance style from? Oh? M hm yeah, listen man,
Speaker 1: I'm always I've always been a fan of dramatic performers.
Speaker 1: And but but this voice. I was gonna say, James
Speaker 1: Brown would now, but that kind of voice, it's kind
Speaker 1: of stock. You got to go al Green m h yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he would. Al Green would go in the bag and go.
Speaker 1: He would go in and leave y'all for a moment
Speaker 1: and be singing to himself by himself. He'd be, man,
Speaker 1: wotle thing, just be doing and you just measures like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's singing to himself. Yeah. Have you watched the documentary
Speaker 1: which one is the gospel? According to Al Green? When
Speaker 1: he was in this little yeah like a like a
Speaker 1: hall in a sense, and it looked like Rothils playing bad. Yes,
Speaker 1: I asked Ray. He said, no, that ain't me. I've
Speaker 1: said somebody looked just like you and his name was Ray. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see. You haven't seen that documentary Tank from the eighties.
Speaker 1: Is that am I saying the name right? The gospel?
Speaker 1: According to Al Green? I don't know he's talking about
Speaker 1: going back and forth between gospel and R and B
Speaker 1: and the S and they do they do videos of
Speaker 1: him in the studio, in the studio talking to him. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: no special because he's having those moments where he's singing
Speaker 1: to him. He's in front of people, but he's singing
Speaker 1: for him to him and everybody in this band got
Speaker 1: a Jerry Crew, all all the drummers Greece. So yeah,
Speaker 1: al Green would be the perform the perform performance style.
Speaker 1: What about the passion the heart of the artists. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to go with the undying work ethic and
Speaker 1: bulldog tenacity of Prince. Yeah, he was just passionate about
Speaker 1: how he made music. You know, you can hear it.
Speaker 1: He listened to the stuff he was doing. He was
Speaker 1: completely creative though, he's just outside of anybody's box. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that dude man had something. I went to his house
Speaker 1: one time to do a not to do nothing, to
Speaker 1: go to it like a little party or something. It
Speaker 1: was after an Image Awards and said the principles like
Speaker 1: the invite you guys to come to his house. It's
Speaker 1: the house that he was written from. Carlos Boozer. I'll
Speaker 1: get up there and it's like twenty people in there.
Speaker 1: That's it. He had his full band. He's in some
Speaker 1: silk pajamas playing all night. Then he left for a
Speaker 1: minute and came back and changed into another color of
Speaker 1: silk pajamas. Who kept playing all night long. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this dude, that's something else. He didn't even say hid
Speaker 1: Nobody was playing, was he you know, food and crap?
Speaker 1: You know that was just his audience. Yeah, how was it?
Speaker 1: Chili was there playing, He wasn't talking to nobody was playing.
Speaker 1: Like wow, is he gonna stop playing? It comes like said, hello, nah, No,
Speaker 1: how to dude? I want to do that? You could
Speaker 1: because he did it on top of his pool. He
Speaker 1: covered the pool with a with a clear thing and
Speaker 1: then we was out there dancing. I was dancing with
Speaker 1: Angela Bassett. Yeah, we're gonna get out of there. Come on,
Speaker 1: micro Fiber, Come on, Micropia, we're gonna go to next second.
Speaker 1: She don't remember it, but I do. He started rubbing microphee,
Speaker 1: still rubbing the microphile. I don't know what to correlate,
Speaker 1: you know, don't you do it? So don't you do it?
Speaker 1: Come on, Jake, what you got for listen going from
Speaker 1: from from the friend's house to the micro fibers dancing
Speaker 1: with you know who you know, I got another little
Speaker 1: little church segment. Oh seeing no names, seeing no name,
Speaker 1: who it was, got who you, what you did, and
Speaker 1: what you was. We got a second part of the
Speaker 1: show man. It's just you know, it can either be funny.
Speaker 1: You passed the one right now, you just my pot
Speaker 1: the one. I'm always the same guy every time. Okay,
Speaker 1: started funny, fucked up? Yeah, okay, okay, sorry passed it
Speaker 1: are both in your travels, in this music business, in
Speaker 1: this church, in these church and the what you call
Speaker 1: him chee in these cheeks. You know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what you've gone through in this name m hmm. Without
Speaker 1: saying no names, do I cannot? We need that story,
Speaker 1: we need one. So I can't say the name. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. You can't see who you was with. You
Speaker 1: can't say who was dead. I can't say. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can explain things. Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, because people have stand out you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. But you can't say no names. You can't
Speaker 1: put no face with the case no face. I like
Speaker 1: that no face with the cake. I'm five dudes, baby,
Speaker 1: So this is Warren Campbell's baby dub my block. I
Speaker 1: ain't saying no names. I'm not saying no names. But
Speaker 1: it was nineteen ninety five timestap Okay, New York. It
Speaker 1: was cold, it was The place was uh Rockefeller Center Plaza,
Speaker 1: the Saturday night live stage. So I'm there with a
Speaker 1: certain rapper and we are doing the Friday night camera blocking.
Speaker 1: That's what they do, the rehearsal camera blocking. The entourage
Speaker 1: is thick. I'm talking. I'm talking about thick rapp. You
Speaker 1: know what rap entourages it like. It's yeah, you got
Speaker 1: about thirty dudes that don't do nothing. They just there
Speaker 1: in case, and another thirty dudes is just there for
Speaker 1: a whole other reason. You know what I'm saying. Walking
Speaker 1: down the hall was an older gentleman because there's work
Speaker 1: going on. There's their building sets and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: He's moved in a scaffold, rolling down the hallways, a
Speaker 1: narrow hallway. There's a young lady there who's part of
Speaker 1: the entourage, and he's rolling down the hallway and he
Speaker 1: bumps into this little lady. She is incensed that he
Speaker 1: would bump into her while he's doing his job. Though
Speaker 1: he's doing his job, she ain't doing nothing. I already
Speaker 1: know she, do you know? I'm called someone so telling
Speaker 1: And then and they the other guys grabbed this older gentleman,
Speaker 1: throw him in a closet in the hallway, lock him
Speaker 1: in there, and one guy stands in front of that closet,
Speaker 1: don't let him out the entire time, the whole time.
Speaker 1: So we leave and go to eat. After that, it's
Speaker 1: I don't know, it might be eleven o'clock at night.
Speaker 1: Somebody says, hey, we're so so he's still standing in
Speaker 1: front of the door, not letting that guy out. The
Speaker 1: other thing, ain't they go over there, because that's before
Speaker 1: nobody's cell phones. At the time they go getting that
Speaker 1: dude is in there past out. He's urinated on himself,
Speaker 1: he's defecated on himself. He's scared to death because he
Speaker 1: thinks the people that threw him in that closet, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna do something to him because they're known him
Speaker 1: for doing something. I ain't saying the names, but that
Speaker 1: happened that Saturday Night Live. That's Saturday Night Live. Did
Speaker 1: that ever? That lartists ever get to perform here. No,
Speaker 1: I think only because that artists passed away that year
Speaker 1: hmm later that year, yeah so or the next year.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, but I ain't saying no names. You know,
Speaker 1: you know exactly what I'm talking about. It's crazy. I've
Speaker 1: had many of adventure, many of adventure. But listen, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the game it is without the adventures that's
Speaker 1: for sure come from. Man. Yeah, that's like the stories
Speaker 1: that that really kind of fuel the music sometimes what
Speaker 1: just happened before, what has happened after? Man, that that's
Speaker 1: that's what you know, that's what put the batteries in
Speaker 1: our back to get keep us going. Well, listen to
Speaker 1: my brother, I mean, what can we say, man, Well,
Speaker 1: let me say this. I want to give y'all. I'm
Speaker 1: not into the flowers. I give y'all kudos, give y'all
Speaker 1: what we call. Just want to give y'all some good language.
Speaker 1: Y'all are doing an amazing job with this podcast and
Speaker 1: bringing R and B to the forefront and letting people
Speaker 1: tell their stories who may not otherwise have much of
Speaker 1: a platform to tell their stories. Y'all are really doing
Speaker 1: something and I don't know if you know it or not,
Speaker 1: but you are literally in the middle of making history. Literally,
Speaker 1: history is being made every time you file these cameras
Speaker 1: up and sit on these premium blue couches, every time
Speaker 1: this premium microfibers. And I just want to give y'all.
Speaker 1: Give y'all that this man, give y'all some good language. Man.
Speaker 1: That that's like I've been watching, you know, just we
Speaker 1: I watch all all the episodes. This is amazing to
Speaker 1: see y'all. Just keep doing it, man, don't don't stop.
Speaker 1: That's that's my that's my my encouragement. Don't stop, man,
Speaker 1: just keep it going. Good language. Oh yeah, according to that,
Speaker 1: I say bad language, I apologize. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's something I learned from C. S. Lewis.
Speaker 1: He was that old. This fella some good language. I
Speaker 1: want to say something nice about this guy. Wow, thank
Speaker 1: you brother. No, man, you're doing it, Thank you, bro.
Speaker 1: Absolutely well. Man. Listen, man, I'm Tank, I'm Jay Valentine
Speaker 1: and this is the RB Money Podcast, the authority on
Speaker 1: all things R and B. And in the building. Man,
Speaker 1: we've we've just had, you know, we've just experienced great
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and I'm not as as
Speaker 1: a singer, songwriter, producer, performer. I'm not afraid by no means.
Speaker 1: Honor the man, the pastor uh baby down right in
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