WEBVTT - Rick Wilson & Ben Wikler

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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<v Speaker 2>Next few weeks. I will be delighted and shocked if

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<v Speaker 2>that happens.

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<v Speaker 1>We have such a great show for you today.

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<v Speaker 2>The Lincoln Projects.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Wilson stops by to discuss the state of American

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<v Speaker 1>democracy spoiler it's not great. And we'll talk to Wisconsin

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats Chair Ben Wickler about.

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<v Speaker 2>His run to head the DNC. But first the news Somali.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Trump did a little appearance on Meet the Press

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<v Speaker 3>with Kristen Welker, and a lot of crazy shit was said.

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<v Speaker 3>Mostly that alired to me is the idea that he's

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<v Speaker 3>going to start dealing Congress people.

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<v Speaker 2>Not good. Not good.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the things that we're trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>here is protect norms and institutions, and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>ways we do that is by not allowing the president

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<v Speaker 1>to ail his political enemies.

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<v Speaker 2>Now again, this is like always the.

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<v Speaker 1>Problem when covering Trump is like he says a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff, He talks a lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of that stuff he ends up doing. Some of

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't end up doing some of that stuff he

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<v Speaker 1>says so that people will get upset, and then his

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<v Speaker 1>people will say, well, we never were going to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>so again, and then sometimes he'll say stuff like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to jail my political enemies. This is by any measure,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely one hundred percent not appropriate for a leader to

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<v Speaker 1>be saying in a democracy.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, maybe he's saying this because he.

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<v Speaker 1>Wants reporters to report it and then him not to

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<v Speaker 1>do it, and then them to look like they were overreacting,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows, But the reality is he's saying it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's bad, it should not happen.

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<v Speaker 1>People need to push back against it because it's not

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<v Speaker 1>what we do in a democracy and it's dangerous. And

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<v Speaker 1>so he said the quote is everybody on that committee

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<v Speaker 1>dot dot dot. Because this is Trump, so he never

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<v Speaker 1>says things in grammatically correct ways for what they did. Yeah, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>they should go to jail.

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<v Speaker 2>Again. Not good, not what we do in a democracy.

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<v Speaker 1>It is absolutely flouting all the norms, breaking the norms,

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<v Speaker 1>setting the norms on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Real important that none of this happens.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, it's Trump, so he could be just saying

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in the hopes of getting other people upset so

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<v Speaker 1>that then he can say that people are overreacting. He

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<v Speaker 1>said that Liz Cheney and Bennie Thompson, those are the

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<v Speaker 1>former coheads of that committee, were behind his federal prosecutions.

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<v Speaker 1>As we know, there's no connection between federal prosecutions and

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<v Speaker 1>a congressional subcommittee, zero zip zulch. The Department of Justice

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<v Speaker 1>is a completely its own thing, not connected to the presidency,

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<v Speaker 1>not connected to Congress. And Trump then again said, however,

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<v Speaker 1>they should go to jail for what they did again,

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<v Speaker 1>and should go to jail for investigating a former president.

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<v Speaker 1>And he even said, I think that everybody on the panel,

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<v Speaker 1>that anyone who voted him favor should go to jail.

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<v Speaker 2>That is wrong. That is a flouting of norms.

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<v Speaker 1>The people on the panel, just for just to remind everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>Benny Thompson, Zoe Lofgren, Adam Schiff, Pete Aguilar, Stephanie Murphy,

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie Raskin, Representative Luria, Liz Cheney, and Adam Kinsinger. So

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<v Speaker 1>there'll be more, will definitely see more on this topic.

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<v Speaker 1>But just remember again, we must protect norms and also

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<v Speaker 1>two things can be true. We must protect norms and

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<v Speaker 1>also Donald Trump says a lot of stuff. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>it's true, some of it's not true. Some of it

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to do, some of it he doesn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to do. So just always remember that when you hear

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<v Speaker 1>Trump say things.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a third theory that he really just likes

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<v Speaker 3>the sound of his own mouth yapping.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that's true, Liz Cheney responded. And really the

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<v Speaker 1>important thing here when we're protecting norms and institutions is

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<v Speaker 1>to stand up against Trump's trying to destroy them.

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<v Speaker 2>So she responds.

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<v Speaker 1>This morning, President elect Trump again lied about the January

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<v Speaker 1>sixth elect Committee and said members of the committee should

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<v Speaker 1>quote go to jail for carrying out our constitutional responsibilities.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump attempted to overturn the twenty twenty election and

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<v Speaker 1>seize power. He mobilized an angry mob and sent them

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<v Speaker 1>to the United States Capitol, where they attacked police officers,

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<v Speaker 1>invaded the building, and halted the official counting of electoral votes.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump watched on television as police officers were brutally beaten

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<v Speaker 1>and the capital was assaulted, refusing.

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<v Speaker 2>For hours to tell the mom to leave. This was the.

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<v Speaker 1>Worst breach of our constitution by any president. In our

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<v Speaker 1>nation's history. Donald Trump's suggestion that members of Congress who

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<v Speaker 1>later investigated his illegal and unconstitutional action should be jailed

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<v Speaker 1>is a continuation of his assault on the rule of

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<v Speaker 1>law and the foundations of our republic. Yet again, this

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<v Speaker 1>is why we have to stand up to Trump. We

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<v Speaker 1>have to protect norms and institutions. And this Liz Cheney

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<v Speaker 1>response is absolutely pitch perfect, good for Liz Cheney. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>so I know every time I praise Liz Cheney, a

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<v Speaker 1>little piece of you dies.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's true. It's true. So I have an alternate

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<v Speaker 3>theory about why mister Trump says all these things. It's

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<v Speaker 3>more that he loves the side of his voice, that

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<v Speaker 3>he loves the yep. But he continued to app beat

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<v Speaker 3>the press about how he's going to repeal birthright citizenship.

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<v Speaker 2>So birthright citizenship.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like, I understand that Trump wants to repeal

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<v Speaker 1>birthright citizenship, but he doesn't get to And I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to read you exactly this is it's actually, believe it

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<v Speaker 1>or not, birthright citizenship is in the Constitution. I know

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<v Speaker 1>how much Trump and Republicans love textualism. It's Amendment fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Section one point one point two citizenship Clause doctor in

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<v Speaker 1>fourteenth Amendments, Section one.

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<v Speaker 2>All persons born or.

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<v Speaker 1>Naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction

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<v Speaker 1>thereof are citizens of the United States and of the

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<v Speaker 1>state where they reside. No State shall make or enforce

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<v Speaker 1>any law which shall abridge the privileges and immunities of

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<v Speaker 1>citizens of the United States, Nor shall any state deprive

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<v Speaker 1>a person of life, liberty, or property do process to

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<v Speaker 1>the law. So I'm just saying Trump, well, may he

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<v Speaker 1>may want to strip birthright citizenship. He cannot do that.

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<v Speaker 1>That is illegal. It's against the Constitution. And if the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court wants to be total hypocrites and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>not okay. He cannot edit the Constitution. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>a no go for Trump. He may try, but he can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm sure America First Legal will be up fighting

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<v Speaker 3>this battle thoroughly. So the last thing that he apped about,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, was how much he loves the word tariffs.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems that he's so in love with them that

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<v Speaker 3>he's going to push this through.

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<v Speaker 4>But it doesn't seem so confident about the BALI.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, remember when he was running for office, he

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<v Speaker 1>said tariffs are going to make everything cheaper. His mandate,

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<v Speaker 1>if he has a mandate, was to make things cheaper, right,

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<v Speaker 1>That was the one thing voters really wanted from him.

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<v Speaker 1>So he told Walker that he can't guarantee anything. He

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<v Speaker 1>can't guarantee tomorrow, but I can say he can't guarantee

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<v Speaker 1>that tariffs won't make things more expensive. Hauhu exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>everyone said when he was running for office Somali.

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<v Speaker 3>With the assassination of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, we've

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<v Speaker 3>seen a reaction that I think has puzzled a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people because I think a lot of people did

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<v Speaker 3>not see how mad everyday Americans are at the healthcare system.

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<v Speaker 1>So you and I had to talk about this, and

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<v Speaker 1>you were like really furious, and I didn't totally get it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was furious at the healthcare system because I've had

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<v Speaker 3>Obamacare until literally three months ago, for ten years, and

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<v Speaker 3>I told you I would in I did the calculation,

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<v Speaker 3>and every year I pay for worst care and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>paid three times as much as I did a decade ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so we were talking about it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have health insurance and I it's not very good, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I have come from a lot of privilege

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<v Speaker 1>married to someone who is very privileged, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if I have problems with health insurance, I just pay

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<v Speaker 1>for it myself and it ends up being thousands and

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of dollars. And so you were like, look, Mo,

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<v Speaker 1>like people are fucking pissed about healthcare because it's just

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<v Speaker 1>they are just being taken advantage of. And what we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing since this news cycle of this CEO who was

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<v Speaker 1>murdered is that Americans are just enraged about.

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<v Speaker 2>Their health care.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's very hard to find people who are writing

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<v Speaker 1>about this who can sort of separate the murder from

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<v Speaker 1>their rage about health insurance.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, it really is.

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<v Speaker 1>So the comments online are people saying, you know, eat

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<v Speaker 1>the rich. This needs to be the new norm, people

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<v Speaker 1>expressing frustration about their healthcare. And even people like Ben Shapiro,

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<v Speaker 1>who is on the right and who you wouldn't think

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<v Speaker 1>would have followers who were so angry about their healthcare,

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<v Speaker 1>which you should be angry obviously, but it's funny. Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Shapiro said, you know, it's terrible to murder people, which

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<v Speaker 1>is not you know, he's had certainly had worse takes.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the comments are basically this is not a

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<v Speaker 1>left or right issue. This is a working class versus

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<v Speaker 1>a wealthy issue, which is shows really how far we've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten because I'm pretty sure that the working class are

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<v Speaker 1>largely supposed to be represented by the Democrats, even if

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<v Speaker 1>that has not been clear, and maybe perhaps Democrats have

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<v Speaker 1>not been representing the working cloud the way they're supposed to,

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<v Speaker 1>but real interesting realignment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think that there's like a really interesting thing

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<v Speaker 3>in these Ben Shapiro comments too, because like one of

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<v Speaker 3>the highest voted things with thousands of up votes on

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<v Speaker 3>the comment is this is the first time I've ever

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<v Speaker 3>seen Ben get cooked by his own comment section. A

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people saying it's not a non partis issue,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that that's one of the things is

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<v Speaker 3>that when we look at the political views as just

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<v Speaker 3>purely a left right issue and not an XY access,

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<v Speaker 3>you ignore that almost every American who's not making enough

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<v Speaker 3>money to be liquid has been victimized by some sort

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<v Speaker 3>of thing where they didn't feel they had any say

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<v Speaker 3>in what the health insurance company decided for them. They

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<v Speaker 3>have no way of having reproach and having a say

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<v Speaker 3>in life and death and often serious preventative health matters

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<v Speaker 3>and that seems to me why a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>are not showing a lot of sympathy for this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, this is a big story that

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<v Speaker 1>we may get more and more from.

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<v Speaker 2>And this rage that people.

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<v Speaker 1>Have about the way they're being treated by their healthcore

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<v Speaker 1>company and largely the way they're being taken advantage of,

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<v Speaker 1>my guess is going to be a really big story

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<v Speaker 1>and that this ground swell is real and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be talking about this for a long time, so

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<v Speaker 1>stay tuned. Ben Wickler is the chairperson of Wisconsin Democrats.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome Back Too Fast Politics, Rick Wilson, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the United States Senate. I don't want to give them

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<v Speaker 1>too much credit. And again, like, if I've learned anything

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<v Speaker 1>from this cycle, it's that I am a cock eyed

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<v Speaker 1>optimist in a horrible way. But doesn't it seem like

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes, with the exception of maybe Tommy Tuberville,

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<v Speaker 1>that there's some amount of advice and consent going on.

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<v Speaker 5>I would say there seems to be a touch of

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<v Speaker 5>advice and consent going on. I am not a cock

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<v Speaker 5>eyed optimist about this, knowing these people for what.

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<v Speaker 6>They are, but I will say this, there's a degree

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<v Speaker 6>to which the automatic obedience to Trump that everyone is expecting,

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<v Speaker 6>especially in Trump world, has not yet emerged, which is

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<v Speaker 6>kind of nice.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing I think is that everyone is on

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<v Speaker 1>each other and freaked out about this idea of obeying

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<v Speaker 1>an advance. I want to talk about something here for

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, because this is the Timothy Schneider, the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that you're not supposed to obey in advance. But then

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<v Speaker 1>there's also what all of us did in twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>where you know, everything was a five alon fire, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is also Trump is very easily manipulated and manipulative

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<v Speaker 1>but manipulated, and he's very transactional, So there is as

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<v Speaker 1>much as you don't want to obey an advance, Like

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<v Speaker 1>when you see Bernie Sanders making overtures towards Elon Musk,

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<v Speaker 1>Do I love that? Well? I think that he's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get Elon Musk to do what he wants. And

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans have been a lot better at appealing to nefarious

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<v Speaker 1>billionaires than Democrats have. But you know, if you could

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<v Speaker 1>make the case.

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<v Speaker 5>Are there farious billionaires lately?

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<v Speaker 1>No? Yeah, exactly, talk me through this.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Look, I think what we have right now is

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<v Speaker 5>a moment in Washington, where there's a lot of there's

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<v Speaker 5>a sense in the Senate. I talked to the Senate

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<v Speaker 5>senior staff member the to day for a Republican who

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<v Speaker 5>said to me, well, there's a kind of vibe right

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<v Speaker 5>now that you know, the crazies are going to fall

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<v Speaker 5>apart and he's going to end up nominating some regular people.

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<v Speaker 5>They have a sort of twenty seventeen vibe going the

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<v Speaker 5>way I'm looking at. I think that is an inaccurate assessment.

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<v Speaker 5>I think, you know, some of the crazies are going

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<v Speaker 5>to get knocked out gates already. Hexit is on thin ice.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think they're being optimistic for reasons that are

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<v Speaker 5>not as solid as they would like them to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense, Yeah, go say more.

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<v Speaker 5>They're giving Donald Trump too much credit. We are seeing

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<v Speaker 5>some of that. And again this has got a very

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<v Speaker 5>strong rights previous twenty seventeen vibe. Oh, he'll have competence safe,

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<v Speaker 5>the same people around him, and they'll make sure that

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<v Speaker 5>he does the right thing. I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 5>buy that. I really don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>He's definitely not gonna do the right thing. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that I think we I am not real confident in

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<v Speaker 1>that regard. Yeah, no, No, I mean I think the

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<v Speaker 1>more optimistic case is these guys are just not that

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<v Speaker 1>good at any of this, so it's going to fall apart.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I think that is definitely. The more likely scenario

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<v Speaker 5>is that is that a lot of them that are

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<v Speaker 5>on the on the Trump list this time are much

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<v Speaker 5>more extreme, much more crazy than the folks we saw

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<v Speaker 5>in the first iteration. There was a there was a

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<v Speaker 5>sense in the first administration of Okay, you still have

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<v Speaker 5>a Rex Tiller Center, Jim Mattis or Gary Kohane and

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<v Speaker 5>it's not all Steve Bannon and the cuckoo parade. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't think you have that saying vibe this time. Even

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<v Speaker 5>the ones who aren't overtly insane are still pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 5>And I just think that that is a caution for

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<v Speaker 5>people to process a little bit, even in this early going,

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<v Speaker 5>not to get too optimistic about where this thing ends up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I also think that if you want to feel better,

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<v Speaker 1>the way to feel better is to look at the

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<v Speaker 1>Congress that is ending just now, this Mike Johnson Congress,

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<v Speaker 1>where they had one seat more of a majority than

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<v Speaker 1>they will have, and they are just terrible at governing,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's just a fucking disaster. Like they can't pass anything,

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<v Speaker 1>they can't get together, they can't you know, they can't figure.

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<v Speaker 5>Out well, they can barely order lunch at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so there is certainly a feeling if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to feel better, the way to feel better is

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<v Speaker 1>not that there are grown ups in the room. It's

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<v Speaker 1>that these people are completely insane and do not get

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<v Speaker 1>along and they really, you know, they just completely destroy

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<v Speaker 1>each other. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's right. I think there's a there's a

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<v Speaker 5>degree of that that kind of like the lunatics are

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<v Speaker 5>in charge of the asylum in the house and that

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<v Speaker 5>is not great. That is not as good for the

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<v Speaker 5>house as they.

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<v Speaker 1>Think it's right, exactly. And I also just think, like

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that I always think about is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>will cash Battel go after us, Sure, but will he

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<v Speaker 1>also go after Republican senators who displease him? Yes? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Trump Ism is not the same brand as Republicanism is discussed.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Look, I mean, and here's the other part of

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<v Speaker 5>what's happening in the Senate. The Senate is shifting from

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<v Speaker 5>the McConnell era to the Thune era. That's not particularly great, honestly,

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<v Speaker 5>for the Senate. It's not particularly great for how you

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<v Speaker 5>you look at whether the Senate's going to be effective

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<v Speaker 5>and whether it's going to be you know, manageable. There's

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<v Speaker 5>a caucus in the Senate now of crazies. They're going

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<v Speaker 5>to be you know, the Cidy Head Smith's, the Tommy

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<v Speaker 5>Tubber bills, the Josh hall Is com Cotton, all those lunatics. Right,

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<v Speaker 5>those people are a majority now in the in the

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<v Speaker 5>in the caucus. It's not pretty. I think that or

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<v Speaker 5>there are a plurality.

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<v Speaker 4>Let you recraise that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not for you.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not easy anymore for that caucus to be like

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<v Speaker 5>it was under the McConnell era. Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I do. But I also think that the

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<v Speaker 1>McConnell is a gifted legislator. We don't know that Dune

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be that.

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<v Speaker 5>You are one hundred percent correct. We do not have

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<v Speaker 5>a similar grasp of whether John Thune is going to

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<v Speaker 5>have that persuasive power over the majority that he wants

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<v Speaker 5>to and in fact, interestingly enough, the guy that ran

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<v Speaker 5>very effectively, I may add, the Senate Leadership Fund Stephen

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<v Speaker 5>law today announced that he was retired, which is very interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>To me, because that is the organization that over the

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<v Speaker 5>last two decades has raised a couple of billion dollars

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<v Speaker 5>a couple billion dollars with a bee for Republican candidates.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a very different vibe on the legislative acumen as

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<v Speaker 5>well as the political activity. It's a real open question

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<v Speaker 5>as to whether that is going to sustain itself. Makes

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<v Speaker 5>hast Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I would say, like the question is when

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about this, and we're talking about they are

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of legislative things they really want to do

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<v Speaker 1>when they get in power, and one is this is

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<v Speaker 1>making these enormous tax cuts permanent, which is why so

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<v Speaker 1>many rich people got so excited about this election. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing I was struck by is so this

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<v Speaker 1>week Andrew Ross Sorkin, who is really great, had this

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<v Speaker 1>deal book a conference and he had one of the panelists.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the guests was Ken Griffin, who's a huge

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<v Speaker 1>billionaire hedge fun guy, big GOP donor, and he spent

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<v Speaker 1>the time talking about how important it was that the

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<v Speaker 1>FED be independent of the Trump administration. Right, So, like

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<v Speaker 1>this is like in twenty sixteen, you would not have

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<v Speaker 1>a billionaire donor of Donald Trump being like, here's what

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to not do. Here's a guardrail I

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<v Speaker 1>think is important. Don't screw up.

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<v Speaker 5>The thing that has made stability in our markets possible

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<v Speaker 5>over the last multiple decades. Please and thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and like you had a deal book, you had

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Bezos being like, Donald Trump is great hair feurer.

0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:20.280
<v Speaker 1>I want to fight autocracy. I want American democracy to survive.

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<v Speaker 1>In my mind, that is job one. That said, I

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<v Speaker 1>understand exactly what Jeff Bezos is doing, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that if you want to do rockets, that's what you

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<v Speaker 1>have to do right now.

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<v Speaker 5>You have to strategically kiss ass with these people. It's

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<v Speaker 5>not a great look, but it's a real thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it undermines his seriousness in every which way. But like,

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<v Speaker 1>if he wants to launch rockets, and maybe he doesn't

0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:50.359
<v Speaker 1>want to launch rockets, but like that's what it is, right, Like.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, he wants to launch rockets. He wants to compete

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<v Speaker 5>with Elon in the rocket launching biz. A lot of

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<v Speaker 5>ass kissing is going to be necessary to stay in

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<v Speaker 5>the rocket game, which, as Humble famously said about that,

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<v Speaker 5>no Bucks, no Buck Rogers, So you're gonna see those

0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:08.359
<v Speaker 5>guys like like bezos come out and say, oh, you know,

0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:12.160
<v Speaker 5>this was necessary. I had to. You know, you may

0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.439
<v Speaker 5>think it's distasteful, but I had to. I had to

0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:17.960
<v Speaker 5>make this distasteful move in order to serve the greater

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<v Speaker 5>good and to fulfill a better mission. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 5>And and I talked to somebody recently who I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 5>say he's like super close to Jeff, but he's close

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<v Speaker 5>enough where he said, you know, he hates Elon so

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<v Speaker 5>fucking much, you'd be shocked how little heat, how little

0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:39.320
<v Speaker 5>pride he has because he hates Elon so fucking much.

0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.800
<v Speaker 5>Like what he'll do to fuck Ehon is it's an

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<v Speaker 5>infinite number.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we're still sort of on this Elon Trump first

0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:51.800
<v Speaker 1>buddy situation. How long does it last? And that there's

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know, right, we don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>But look, no human being has ever in the history

0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:03.040
<v Speaker 5>of Trump interactions, Not one time ever has anyone survived

0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:06.680
<v Speaker 5>the curse of Trump's disloyalty. It is the one constant

0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:10.440
<v Speaker 5>in the Trump universe is his disloyalty. The one thing

0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.399
<v Speaker 5>you can always count on is that he will screw

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<v Speaker 5>over people he says are ascrits. It has never once failed.

0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:20.879
<v Speaker 5>In the history of Maya and other observations of Donald Trump,

0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:24.120
<v Speaker 5>it never fails. He will screw his own people. You're

0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:26.680
<v Speaker 5>you're the greatest thing since prepared mustard. On day one,

0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:29.960
<v Speaker 5>You're a goat, You're an idiot, you're a moron, you're

0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:33.760
<v Speaker 5>a coffee boyed intern. On day five, you never. No

0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:34.960
<v Speaker 5>one survives it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean, yeah, so we'll see what happens. But

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<v Speaker 1>it does. It certainly seems like there is an absolute

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<v Speaker 1>sense in which this does not seem like this relationship

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<v Speaker 1>is forever.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, as in all these things, you can count on

0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:54.639
<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump to be inconstant and unfaithful in whatever interaction

0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:57.119
<v Speaker 5>he is in, whether it is personal or whether it

0:21:57.200 --> 0:22:00.400
<v Speaker 5>is financial. You can always count him to be shit.

0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:04.960
<v Speaker 5>He's a highly technical.

0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Term, right exactly. That's the that's the medical diagnosis. Let's

0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:13.840
<v Speaker 1>just have another minute here to talk about what this

0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:17.800
<v Speaker 1>all looks like. Now we have the House is done,

0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Republicans lost a seat the Senate. Trump can only lose four.

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<v Speaker 1>We have Hegsith trying to stay in it, and we

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<v Speaker 1>have then like a number of completely crazy other nominees

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<v Speaker 1>coming down the pike. I feel like the conventional wisdom

0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:38.880
<v Speaker 1>is that Republicans will only let one get to committee.

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<v Speaker 5>I think they're going to feel like they have to

0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:42.760
<v Speaker 5>give him a couple They're going to say, you know,

0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:45.960
<v Speaker 5>we can't just completely shut him out. Then he'll be

0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:48.960
<v Speaker 5>angry with us. Then we'll have to do even more

0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:53.280
<v Speaker 5>horrible things. And I don't disagree with that analysis on

0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:56.239
<v Speaker 5>their part. They're not completely wrong about that. If they

0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:59.080
<v Speaker 5>don't give him something, he's going to really get angry

0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:01.639
<v Speaker 5>in that regard. You know, One, if you're a Republican,

0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:03.879
<v Speaker 5>especially if you're John Thune, you don't want Trump to

0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:07.879
<v Speaker 5>fuck up your primary season by saying, oh, a contrere,

0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:09.520
<v Speaker 5>you thought you were going to get it off easy.

0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:11.560
<v Speaker 5>I'm going to intervene in all the primaries to put

0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:13.920
<v Speaker 5>in my people if you don't do what I want. Yeah,

0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:16.600
<v Speaker 5>like Charlie kirk Out threatened people last night about that,

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<v Speaker 5>if you don't put in Beata said, it's primary time

0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:21.280
<v Speaker 5>for all of you. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's the thing. It's funny because it's like

0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:26.840
<v Speaker 1>it used to be in a time when things mattered

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<v Speaker 1>if you were a purple state, a Republican who voted

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in some insane way, it could be used

0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:38.360
<v Speaker 1>against you when you're running for reelection. Is that still true?

0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:41.320
<v Speaker 5>There is now a premium for insanity in the market,

0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:44.000
<v Speaker 5>and so people can do crazier things than they used

0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:46.320
<v Speaker 5>to do, and vote crazier ways than they used to

0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:48.800
<v Speaker 5>and in fact they're kind of required a lot of

0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:51.400
<v Speaker 5>the time to do that, which is not pretty. That's

0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:54.280
<v Speaker 5>not the world we should live in as a serious country,

0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:56.240
<v Speaker 5>but it is the world we do live in as

0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:59.600
<v Speaker 5>a fairly unserious country. I look at this moment where

0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:02.720
<v Speaker 5>in Molly with like the risk factors in these guys

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:06.520
<v Speaker 5>face are almost entirely on their right flock. They don't

0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:10.000
<v Speaker 5>feel and correctly so, they don't feel like they wake

0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:12.280
<v Speaker 5>up in the morning and go, oh man, if I

0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:15.159
<v Speaker 5>get the Chamber of Commerce, mad, I'm going to have

0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:18.960
<v Speaker 5>real problems. What they do get is, oh fuck, if

0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:23.560
<v Speaker 5>I piss off some right wing video blogger, I'm gonna

0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:26.760
<v Speaker 5>have a shit ton of problems. Oh no, Benny Johnson's

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:29.560
<v Speaker 5>coming to attack me or whatever it is. Right, You know,

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:34.120
<v Speaker 5>that stuff is really that has really become a very

0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:39.119
<v Speaker 5>ugly element of the GOPS like day to day existence.

0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:43.120
<v Speaker 5>Somebody resurfaced that clip yesterday, people walking after Lindsay Graham

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<v Speaker 5>just after January sixth, screaming abuse of the guy which

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<v Speaker 5>everyone loves to scream abuse at Lindy Graham. And he's certainly,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sure paid good money for the same kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's so not the kind of the kind of

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<v Speaker 5>behavioral thing that makes sense if you're if you're or

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<v Speaker 5>candidate or an elected official that do you want to

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<v Speaker 5>take that or do you want to avoid that? You

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<v Speaker 5>want to avoid it?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you got Elon and Vivak on Capitol Hill yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine how insane those meetings have to be.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh bonkers, batshit, cuckoo town crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Oh fantastic, I mean fantastic. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to feel bad for Mike Johnson, but I almost feel

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<v Speaker 1>bad for Mike Johnson.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 5>I can constrain my desire to feel bad for Mike Johnson.

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<v Speaker 5>This is you know, he bought the pony.

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<v Speaker 1>It is amazing. Now like he's going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>try to explain government to these guys.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, look, I mean the scary ones that I think

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<v Speaker 5>people need to pay more attention to, like the russ

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<v Speaker 5>VOTs of the world and the other people that are

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<v Speaker 5>decidedly insane. You know, we're going to have to We're

0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:59.080
<v Speaker 5>gonna have to as a country recognize that, you know,

0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 5>people are going to be trying to destroy this nation.

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<v Speaker 5>Inside the Trump administration, We're going to try to tear

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<v Speaker 5>down every conceivable element of sane governance. And I you know,

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:13.399
<v Speaker 5>you kind of get that, you understand it. It's just

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<v Speaker 5>not it's not pretty much you understand it if we

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<v Speaker 5>don't put ourselves in a position I think you know

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<v Speaker 5>pretty quickly to start thinking about like not just blocking

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<v Speaker 5>or exposing or minimizing the impacts of the you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Pete Hexit is one thing. Some of these other folks

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<v Speaker 5>are truly as far out on the rim as you

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<v Speaker 5>can get.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, Pete Hegsitt, if the limb is pretty far.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh no, Pete hegg Sitt, this is completely like.

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<v Speaker 1>Lack of doodle, yeah, but in insane, but with.

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<v Speaker 5>A magnificent head of hair.

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<v Speaker 1>And isn't that really what counts? Well? I think that

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<v Speaker 1>that's you know, you running the DD is to eighty

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<v Speaker 1>percent looks yeah, I'm it's eighty percent looks at a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent sass exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>Rick Wilson, Molly John Fast that's all, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to talk to you. Rick Wilson is the founder

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<v Speaker 1>of the Lincoln Project and host of the Enemy's List.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Fast Politics, Ben, great to be back

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<v Speaker 1>with you. Molly so famously like the best Wisconsin Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>state chair ever, and now you're going to run for

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 1>the big job.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm running for national teen Treo Carey. Yes. So, Wisconsin

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<v Speaker 4>is a state that kind of experienced a preview for

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<v Speaker 4>what we might be about to experience nationwide. Wisconsin had

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 4>a bunch of like really deep progressive history and traditions

0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 4>as a birthplace of the labor movement, of the progressive movement.

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 4>The Republican Party started as an anti slavery party in Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 4>but it also had this far right strand in its

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 4>history Joe McCarthy and the John Birch Society. And in

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 4>twenty ten Republicans took over the state government and an

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 4>election that was kind of a lot was happening in

0:27:57.600 --> 0:27:59.480
<v Speaker 4>twenty ten, but it was not a year when the

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 4>public was demanding that Republicans come in and totally rig

0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 4>the systems so they'd never lose, and then sell off

0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:07.720
<v Speaker 4>the state government to Shovel Monu to the richest people,

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 4>and that's what they did. They ask unions, they suppressed

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.120
<v Speaker 4>the vote, that jerrymandered the living daylights out of Wisconsin.

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:17.120
<v Speaker 4>They massively defunded public education, and it has been the

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:19.399
<v Speaker 4>work of years of thousands of people. And I've been

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 4>proud to play a role working with everyone as our

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 4>state party chair for these last six years to fight

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:27.960
<v Speaker 4>back through that and peace by peace to dismantle the

0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:31.639
<v Speaker 4>systems Republicans used to stop Wisconsin from manion democracy. And

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:34.360
<v Speaker 4>we finally we defeated the gerrymandered maps because we won

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.480
<v Speaker 4>state Supreme Court races and stopped Republicans from doing an

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:42.360
<v Speaker 4>unconstitutional impeachment of a Supreme Court justice and had able

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 4>to elect and re elect Governor Evers are amazing Democratic

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 4>governor who's been a brick wall with these Republican attacks.

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 4>We've fought in legislative races up and down the ballot,

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<v Speaker 4>and this year, even though this was a national big

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<v Speaker 4>red shift year six points across the country, in Wisconsin,

0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 4>we were the closest state in the presidential race in

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 4>the whole country was less than one point, and we

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<v Speaker 4>flipped fourteen state legislative seats this year. On the maps

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<v Speaker 4>that are finally fair. We re elected Tammy Baldon this

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<v Speaker 4>year in the US Senate, and what we found is

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<v Speaker 4>that if you run a permanent, year round campaign, you're

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<v Speaker 4>organizing everywhere and communicating everywhere, including reaching out to people

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 4>who are not trying to tune into politics all day.

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:20.760
<v Speaker 4>You can punch above your weight. And the reason I

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 4>work then C chair is that vision. Nationally, it's to

0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 4>unite the party around a vision of fighting in every state.

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 4>A fifty state strategy means fifty states and a strategy

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<v Speaker 4>in each state for what are the fights we need

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<v Speaker 4>to take on to be able to unlation new era

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<v Speaker 4>of progress and democracy and most critically, of delivery for

0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:41.040
<v Speaker 4>working people instead of ringing the system for the ultro

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 4>wealthy at the very top, which is Trump's actual goal

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:45.680
<v Speaker 4>that he is currently playing out in front of our eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you explain to us a little bit about what

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<v Speaker 1>a Democratic National Committee chairmanship, like, how does this election happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Explain to people who are not totally read in here

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<v Speaker 1>on what happens next?

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<v Speaker 4>Totally This is like this weird combination of a big

0:30:00.440 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 4>national story that has national significance and also it's four

0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 4>hundred and forty eight voters. So it's like, you know

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.880
<v Speaker 4>the size of a small town city council race, or

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<v Speaker 4>a student council race, or a papal conclave or whatever

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<v Speaker 4>whatever you want.

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<v Speaker 1>To lave if you're yeah, it is.

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<v Speaker 4>A group of people with no infallibility. It's a situation

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 4>where there's a group of people. Every one of them

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 4>is there either because they're appointed as an at large

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 4>appointee by the current DNC chair Jamie Harrison, who is

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<v Speaker 4>a great friend who worked with President Biden and appointed

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 4>the seventy five appointees, or they are elected in their

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<v Speaker 4>states either to become the chair or vice chair of

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:36.720
<v Speaker 4>their state party or committee man or a woman in

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 4>their state party. Or they're there in a kind of

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 4>institutional capacity as to senators, to governors, you know, the

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 4>kind of roles that reflect the different parts of the

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 4>Democratic Coalition, to mayors and municipal officials, and so everyone

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 4>is there, you know, by dint of a role in

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 4>how democratic politics works, and they all represent the interests

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 4>of their state or the type of office that they

0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 4>that they are part of, but also share a kind

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 4>of commit meant to the Democratic Party being strong and effective.

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<v Speaker 4>And my job as a DNC chair candidate is to

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 4>connect with each one of them individually. And if you're

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 4>a DNC member and I haven't called you yet, you

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 4>are on my list and I look forward to connecting

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 4>with you soon. And if I've left your voicemail, there's

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 4>no judgment. I just look forward to reaching you next

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 4>time I call you. I both reach out to them.

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 4>I also talk to folks in the press and talk

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<v Speaker 4>to you today here ROLLI about the vision for what

0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:25.480
<v Speaker 4>we want to do, because part of this job is

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:27.680
<v Speaker 4>to be a spokesperson for the party, and part of

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 4>what DNC members are looking at is can someone explain

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 4>the strategy in a way that can help to inspire

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 4>people to volunteer and to donate and to get involved

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 4>in these fights. And then the third part is really

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 4>about the kind of vision for where the party needs

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 4>to go and that ultimately, people choose who to vote

0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 4>for for a mix of those different reasons, but they

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 4>want someone who is going to be able to work

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 4>with them to empower DNC members and state parties. And

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 4>we work with our elected official partners and candidates to

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 4>win a ton more elections than we'd otherwise win because

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 4>the stakes are so big for so many people, especially

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:03.560
<v Speaker 4>for working folks who are about to watch the kind

0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 4>of basic foundations of middle classic existence in this country

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 4>get systematically dismantled or attempted to do by the billionaires

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 4>running the Trump administration. We have to have a strong

0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 4>Democratic party to have a future for folks in all

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 4>communities across this country economically and when it comes to

0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 4>their basic freedoms.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me ask you. It strikes me that Biden

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>did a lot of amazing legislation and they couldn't ever

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 1>get it out right, Like, they couldn't ever transmit this

0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 1>information to voters, right, that was ultimately the big problem, Right,

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>voters never knew what it was, you know, so many

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 1>of these investments, like they just were not able to

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 1>transmit them. And is it a messaging problem or is

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 1>it like a messenger problem, or is it a not

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 1>doing media problem or is it a need to create

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:53.560
<v Speaker 1>new media problem? I mean, what is the problem here?

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<v Speaker 1>Because obviously the legislation is good.

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<v Speaker 4>The legislation is great, and I think there's two big,

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<v Speaker 4>big problems. So the first is that we've passed really

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<v Speaker 4>good bills that are going to have a long term,

0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 4>giant impact on people's lives, and that, to me is

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<v Speaker 4>the only true measure of our work is the impact

0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:12.040
<v Speaker 4>that has on people's lives. How are we making a

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:15.160
<v Speaker 4>difference for working folks across the country. But the problem

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 4>is we've passed a lot of COVID relief legislation democratic

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 4>votes under Trump, and then the Democrats in the Democratics

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 4>are effected at the beginning of the Biden administration that

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 4>made a huge difference in people's lives and then went away.

0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:29.719
<v Speaker 4>And so even though they successfully prevented the economy from

0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 4>melting down and kickstarted it, in the economy that is

0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 4>the envy of the world, with wage growth highest at

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<v Speaker 4>the bottom, it's still the case that if you're making

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 4>forty thousand dollars a year, the growth in your wages

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 4>has not come close to the loss in support that

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:44.800
<v Speaker 4>you experienced when the child tare attax credit went away

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 4>and expanded unemployment went away, and the stimulus texts, and

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 4>so people actually experienced sharp drops and income in the

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 4>bottom especially bottom half, bottom third of the economic letder

0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 4>and they also experienced rising prices and the sort of

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<v Speaker 4>second half of the policy thing is a lot of

0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:02.520
<v Speaker 4>the benefits from these major infrastructure and chips ACKed and

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 4>these different bills they're going to come over years. There's

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:06.479
<v Speaker 4>a lot of work to do, and there's a big

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 4>public discourse around abundance and the idea of like clearing

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:10.839
<v Speaker 4>the way to be able to move much more quickly

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 4>on deliver around this stuff. But we're we're planting seeds

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 4>that are going to turn into trees that the sapling

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:19.560
<v Speaker 4>or the sprout coming out of the ground. It doesn't

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 4>move votes because it hasn't reshaped the kind of opportunities

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 4>and communities already at the pace that it would have

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:26.239
<v Speaker 4>needed to. So when we look at the data in

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:28.440
<v Speaker 4>this election, the first thing we see is the people

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:31.240
<v Speaker 4>who said they were hit hardest by inflation, who felt

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:35.280
<v Speaker 4>that the things were toughest, and who didn't hear democratic

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 4>or Republican messaging were the ones who are most likely

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 4>to either not vote or shift towards shrump. And I

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 4>think that is a situation where they lived reality of

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 4>having that help and having it go away, having prices

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 4>go up, and it doesn't feel like anyone that'd help you,

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 4>that mose votes away from you, And that happened to

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 4>every wealthy country government in the world. Left right and

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 4>centered this election, and it happened here too. So there's

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 4>things about policy design that suggests. But the other side

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 4>of this is about message, which is right now, the

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 4>places where the candidates campaigned the most and spent the

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:06.959
<v Speaker 4>most on ads and did the most, the shift towards

0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:09.440
<v Speaker 4>Trump was the least. But even in those places, the

0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 4>shift was concentrated among the people who were not paying

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 4>attention to what candidates were saying, and who don't watch TV,

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 4>and who maybe get you know, information from totally different sources,

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:22.200
<v Speaker 4>like they're spending a lot of time watching you know,

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 4>stream you know, twitch streams and video games. And as democrats,

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 4>I think we need to better learn how to go

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:30.279
<v Speaker 4>to those places, and how to build up a kind

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:34.399
<v Speaker 4>of progressive media ecosystem and deploy messengers on conservative ground

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 4>who can effectively convey a message even in really hostile territory.

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 4>And we have to do all those things because and

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:43.479
<v Speaker 4>communicate in ways that people actually comprehend that makes sense.

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:45.920
<v Speaker 4>That are concrete, physical things that we're talking about, not

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:49.440
<v Speaker 4>just big abstractions. Because we are on people's side, and

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 4>that is not landing with the people for whom it

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:52.720
<v Speaker 4>make a difference.

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.240
<v Speaker 1>It's insane, right, Yeah, So.

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 4>We have to change how we communicate, where and who

0:35:57.600 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 4>the communicators are and do that on a year round

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:02.959
<v Speaker 4>basis and really get into where are people learning about

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 4>what's happening in the world, and go to those places.

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 4>And at the same time you recognize that just as

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:13.000
<v Speaker 4>the prostration and the pain of hardship, of prices going up,

0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:16.640
<v Speaker 4>of housing being unaffordable, especially, it's maybe the most central

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 4>thing for so many people, groceries, all this stuff, prescription drugs,

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:21.839
<v Speaker 4>that pain. There's going to be a new version of that,

0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 4>which is Trump trying to smash the healthcare and supportful

0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:29.240
<v Speaker 4>working people across the country in order to give giant

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:31.880
<v Speaker 4>tax cuts to the ultra rich. So is about to

0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:34.840
<v Speaker 4>be on Trump's foot. His policies are so bad for

0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 4>so many people. And if we can narrate and explain

0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:40.200
<v Speaker 4>what is going on when they try to sell off

0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:42.640
<v Speaker 4>the kind of the public square for parts to the

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:44.759
<v Speaker 4>ultra rich, then I think we have a chance to

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:48.240
<v Speaker 4>demonstrate to folks that we are fighting for them against

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:49.840
<v Speaker 4>people trying to break the system from the top of

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.000
<v Speaker 4>their own benefit, and that allows us to then make

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 4>a ton of gains that we then need to turn

0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 4>into policies that make a difference that actually build that

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 4>trust that we are fighting for people. That's the long

0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:00.759
<v Speaker 4>term play is for people to see that if they

0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 4>vote for Democrats, they get change that they want, and

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 4>then you can build a positive loop. But this loop

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 4>kind of happened in reverseless time and it's going to

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:09.480
<v Speaker 4>take a lot of fighting to come back out the

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:10.120
<v Speaker 4>other side.

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Like, there are a lot of people who are really

0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 1>despairing about where we are. Can you give them like

0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:21.879
<v Speaker 1>a two minute pep talk? Absolutely so, and by them

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean me so on one hand.

0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 4>No sugarcoating it. This is a bleak, challenging moment. Republicans

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 4>control the presidency, they control the House, they control the.

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Senate, but by one seat.

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 4>Well that's the other side of the point. So the

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:39.320
<v Speaker 4>consequences of Republicans having power. Trump has appointed this fleet

0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 4>of mega billionaires with gigantic conflicts of interest to try

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 4>to create this explosion of corruption at the very top.

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 4>And Republicans in Congress are most likely to rubber stamp

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 4>everything terrible Trump wants to do. And there's going to

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:53.440
<v Speaker 4>be bad stuff that we're going to have to fight against.

0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 4>And that's real and They're going to attack all kinds

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 4>of communities and try to take away people's basic freedoms.

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:00.359
<v Speaker 4>And that is real, and that is scary. The other

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 4>side of the coin is that their victory was minuscule.

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 4>They have the smallest House majority. This was the closest

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:10.880
<v Speaker 4>presidential election this century since the two thousand election, one

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 4>of the four closest in one hundred years. The public

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:16.799
<v Speaker 4>has not given up on the core values that make

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:19.000
<v Speaker 4>this country great. They've not given up on the idea

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 4>that the government should be on the side of working people,

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 4>or that people should have freedom and dignity and respect.

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:26.279
<v Speaker 4>Those things are still deeply popular. A lot of the

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 4>people who shifted or didn't vote were the people who

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 4>had the least sense of what Trump was about to

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:34.399
<v Speaker 4>try to do to the country or what Democrats wanted

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:39.160
<v Speaker 4>to do. So have courage and recognize that if we

0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 4>do this work, if we actually do show up and

0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:45.280
<v Speaker 4>organize all over the country and communicate in every place,

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 4>in every platform, we can win enormous games in twenty five, six, seven, eight.

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:52.719
<v Speaker 4>I'll give one example. Wisconsin right now is gearing up

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:55.280
<v Speaker 4>for a Supreme Court election on April first, that once again,

0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 4>like the one in twenty twenty three, it'll determine the

0:38:57.239 --> 0:38:59.319
<v Speaker 4>majority in our state Supreme Court. And there's a far

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:02.880
<v Speaker 4>righta Republican who's the former right wing Attorney General, Brad Schimmel,

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 4>who's running for that office and he's trying to sound

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:07.280
<v Speaker 4>just like Trump. And Susan Crawford is the the great

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:10.759
<v Speaker 4>judge who as in private practice, represented planned parent who

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:13.280
<v Speaker 4>she's running for the thatt seed. And Democrats can organize

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:16.280
<v Speaker 4>and fight and win that and prevent Democrats from Republicans

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:18.840
<v Speaker 4>from rejerymandering our state and open up or pass for

0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:21.560
<v Speaker 4>freedom an opportunity in our state. That election is happening

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:23.480
<v Speaker 4>in just a few months, and we can fight on that.

0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 4>We can fight in New Jersey, in Virginia, and then

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 4>in twenty six all over the country. There's a chance

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:30.879
<v Speaker 4>to make dramatic gains that can turn into real change

0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:33.360
<v Speaker 4>in people's lives. And that fight. When we join together

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 4>and do that fight based on our deepest values, people

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:39.719
<v Speaker 4>will respond. And we're going to win elections in a

0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:42.040
<v Speaker 4>moment that feels like a crisis for democracy and for

0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:44.120
<v Speaker 4>everything we care about, and we will find hope and

0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:46.799
<v Speaker 4>energy that comes out of that work. So That is

0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:49.120
<v Speaker 4>the good news in my mind, is that the bottom

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 4>did not fall out. The Republicans speak in by a

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:56.160
<v Speaker 4>hairsbread and they're about to lose all that power. When

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:57.680
<v Speaker 4>the public sees what they want to do and they

0:39:57.719 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 4>see how we are fighting for them, that is the

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:01.719
<v Speaker 4>next step, and that is what I want to do

0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:03.920
<v Speaker 4>at the DNC, and that's what I hope we can

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:07.320
<v Speaker 4>bring everyone back together to wave those fights that really matter.

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Tell us what your idea of a fifty state solution

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:11.279
<v Speaker 1>would look like.

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 4>So the fifty states, and it's a fifty seven state

0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:18.000
<v Speaker 4>party strategy because there's the territories and Democrats abroad. The

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 4>fifty seven state party strategy is in every state and

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:25.480
<v Speaker 4>every state party. You work with your elected officials and candidates,

0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:28.279
<v Speaker 4>with the national committees, with your partners and allies and

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:31.479
<v Speaker 4>the labor movement and grasstrates organizations, and you look through

0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 4>across these next four years and beyond, what are the

0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:36.279
<v Speaker 4>fights we're going to need to win in some in

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:40.600
<v Speaker 4>super red states, often that's municipal elections or state legislative

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:42.840
<v Speaker 4>races that would allow you to break a Republican and

0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:45.880
<v Speaker 4>super majority. In really blue places, there's some there's going

0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:49.200
<v Speaker 4>to be some areas where there's a right wing county

0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:51.880
<v Speaker 4>sheriff for people running a school board who you can

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:53.880
<v Speaker 4>focus on making sure you can defeat and replace with

0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 4>someone who shares our values. And then there's a lot

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:58.719
<v Speaker 4>of states where everything's up for grabs, or there's major

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:01.439
<v Speaker 4>pieces up for grabs that if Democrats win a super

0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:03.760
<v Speaker 4>majority in the state legislature, they can override the Republican

0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:05.480
<v Speaker 4>governors be there, and of course they have a governor's

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:08.160
<v Speaker 4>race in two years. You build a plan based on

0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:09.520
<v Speaker 4>what are the fights you are going to take on,

0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 4>and once you have that strategy, then the National Committee

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:16.880
<v Speaker 4>partners with all those states to find resources. You figure

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:19.360
<v Speaker 4>out all the different folks who have a stake in

0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 4>making sure that you can win those fights, and you

0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 4>build the kind of year round organizing and communications infrastructure

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:26.640
<v Speaker 4>that we built in Wisconsin and a few other states

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 4>where you do that in every state, purpose built for

0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:31.719
<v Speaker 4>the fights we have to take on. And when people

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:34.560
<v Speaker 4>get involved in something that can actually win and move

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:37.480
<v Speaker 4>the needle, it energizes them. You can raise more money,

0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:39.840
<v Speaker 4>you can recruit more volunteers, you get candidates who to

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:43.000
<v Speaker 4>step up and jump into these races in a different

0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:45.040
<v Speaker 4>way when you know that you're part of something bigger.

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 4>And that to me is the fifty state strategy, the

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:52.040
<v Speaker 4>opportunity we have now because there's people are hungry for hope,

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 4>and I get that. I feel that myself, and hope

0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:58.759
<v Speaker 4>comes from actually seeing a path, even if it's a

0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:01.400
<v Speaker 4>faint path, seeing a path something better that if you

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:03.840
<v Speaker 4>put your energy into it, you can actually move forward

0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:07.359
<v Speaker 4>along that path and it. You know, they're all over

0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 4>the country right now. There are people who are dreaming

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:13.440
<v Speaker 4>of running for office or be involved in a campaign

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:15.680
<v Speaker 4>that they can make things a little bit better for

0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 4>the folks in their communities, and we want to give

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 4>them a chance to be able to take action.

0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:23.239
<v Speaker 1>And do that. Explain to us when you are doing this,

0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:27.880
<v Speaker 1>what's the difference, Like your state party chair Wisconsin, you

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:32.200
<v Speaker 1>would be like DNC chair, What would that mean exactly?

0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:33.960
<v Speaker 1>What does the job look like?

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:37.120
<v Speaker 4>So there'll need more time on the road, but instead

0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:39.759
<v Speaker 4>of going to counting these across Wisconsin, they'll be going

0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 4>the states across the country. At the Washington d C

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 4>still raising my family in Wisconsin. It's a whole different

0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 4>order of magnitude of complexity and intensity because every state

0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:55.200
<v Speaker 4>has different complex challenges and relationships, and of course DC itself,

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:57.279
<v Speaker 4>the DNC, the building as they call it, and the

0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:03.280
<v Speaker 4>web of the different networks of the House and the

0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:07.759
<v Speaker 4>Governor's Association, attorney generals and lieutenant governors and state legislators

0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:11.400
<v Speaker 4>and municipal officials and mayors, and all the different parts

0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 4>of this ecosystem, and our allies organized labor and the

0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 4>union movement and all the big grassroots organizations and civil

0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 4>rights groups and all the kind of big movement of

0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 4>people that share fundamentally this idea that this country should

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:28.759
<v Speaker 4>work for working people, and that every person, no matter

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 4>what they look like or where they live, should have

0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:34.600
<v Speaker 4>freedom and opportunity and dignity. Everyone involved in that work

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:36.880
<v Speaker 4>has a stake in what happens at the DNC, and

0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:39.600
<v Speaker 4>so there's a political component to help to build a

0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:42.600
<v Speaker 4>vision big enough that everyone has space in it and

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:46.040
<v Speaker 4>work with folks to define that. There's fund raising to

0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:47.680
<v Speaker 4>make sure we can support the work to do it.

0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 4>There's management to make sure we have amazing people who

0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:53.080
<v Speaker 4>are doing the best work of their lives in partnership

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:54.719
<v Speaker 4>with all the different allied groups to be able to

0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:58.560
<v Speaker 4>do this there's communication to both go after Trump as

0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:01.239
<v Speaker 4>he tries to pass themulti trillion dollar tax cut for

0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:04.800
<v Speaker 4>billionaires and take on the GOP, but also to build

0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:06.880
<v Speaker 4>up and support a ton of other communicators. Will have

0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:09.360
<v Speaker 4>vice chairs of the DNC that will be criss crossing

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 4>the country and communicating in every place, in every platform.

0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:15.080
<v Speaker 4>And then there's the actual elections, and you need to

0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:18.560
<v Speaker 4>mobilize huge numbers of people, hundreds of thousands and millions

0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:21.160
<v Speaker 4>of people to get involved. And I think at heart,

0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:23.760
<v Speaker 4>I think of this as an organizing challenge, because organizing

0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:25.840
<v Speaker 4>is the art of getting a bunch of people to

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:28.239
<v Speaker 4>work together for a common goal. And there are so

0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:29.759
<v Speaker 4>many people who want to do that, and there's so

0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:31.480
<v Speaker 4>many big goals that we have to be able to win.

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:34.520
<v Speaker 4>And my campaign slogan is unite to fight Win. It

0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:36.759
<v Speaker 4>is to unite the party around that vision, to fight

0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:38.719
<v Speaker 4>in the fights in every state to be able to

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 4>do this. And if we do all that, we can

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:42.000
<v Speaker 4>win and we can make a difference in people's lives.

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:43.960
<v Speaker 4>That's the reason I'm running for DNC chair. And it

0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:45.400
<v Speaker 4>gets me fired up just they came about it.

0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Ben, thank you, Molly.

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:49.280
<v Speaker 4>Really grateful.

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:56.920
<v Speaker 2>There no moment. Jesse Cannon Somali.

0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:00.440
<v Speaker 3>One of the things we knew when Trump on is

0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:02.960
<v Speaker 3>that this would also be an emboldening moment for the

0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:06.800
<v Speaker 3>right to try to take away women's reproductive health rights.

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:09.879
<v Speaker 3>And in Missouri, we're seeing that chicken come home to roost.

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Missouri lawmakers prefile over a dozen bills resolutions on abortion

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 1>in response to Amendment three plassing. So Amendment three is

0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:23.400
<v Speaker 1>what they were trying to enshrine abortion in the constitution,

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:26.839
<v Speaker 1>and they voted for it. So this was a real

0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:29.960
<v Speaker 1>interesting thing that happened in this cycle was that people

0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:35.320
<v Speaker 1>voted for abortion protection in their constitution, but then voted

0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:37.040
<v Speaker 1>for Trump. So they said, we're going to have a

0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Republican president, but we're going to protect abortion in our constitution.

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing, And I kept thinking about this and

0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 1>kept thinking, the legislators are never going to let this go.

0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:51.839
<v Speaker 2>They're never going to enact these legislations.

0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Because we even saw in Florida, Remember, voters voted to

0:45:56.920 --> 0:46:02.239
<v Speaker 1>allow felons who had serve time to be put back

0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:06.360
<v Speaker 1>on the voter rolls, and the Florida legislature made it

0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:08.880
<v Speaker 1>so hard to do it, made it so expensive that

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:12.600
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't able to be enacted, and I sort of thought,

0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:15.920
<v Speaker 1>this is what they're going to do with these abortion amendments,

0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:17.680
<v Speaker 1>is that voters are going to vote for them, and

0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:21.080
<v Speaker 1>then Republicans are going to not allow them to be enacted.

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:27.320
<v Speaker 1>This is incredibly shortsighted by Republicans, and if Republicans were smart,

0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:32.160
<v Speaker 1>they would let these things be enacted, even if they

0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:36.160
<v Speaker 1>were perhaps not in exactly the way they had been

0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:41.400
<v Speaker 1>written in the text of the amendments. Because what's going

0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:44.120
<v Speaker 1>to happen here is that here are these people. They

0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:47.280
<v Speaker 1>voted for abortion rights, they're not going to get them.

0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 1>They voted for Trump. You know, whatever can be taken

0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:52.760
<v Speaker 1>away when it comes to choice will be taken away,

0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:55.439
<v Speaker 1>and then we're going to end up having a lot

0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:58.480
<v Speaker 1>of really angry voters. All of this stuff that Republicans

0:46:58.520 --> 0:47:01.719
<v Speaker 1>are doing works for them if there aren't more elections,

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<v Speaker 1>but if there are more elections, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to help them.

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