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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson stops by to discuss the state of American

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Speaker 1: democracy spoiler it's not great. And we'll talk to Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: Democrats Chair Ben Wickler about.

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Speaker 2: His run to head the DNC. But first the news Somali.

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Speaker 3: Mister Trump did a little appearance on Meet the Press

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Speaker 3: with Kristen Welker, and a lot of crazy shit was said.

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Speaker 3: Mostly that alired to me is the idea that he's

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Speaker 3: going to start dealing Congress people.

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Speaker 2: Not good. Not good.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that we're trying to do

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Speaker 1: here is protect norms and institutions, and one of the

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Speaker 1: ways we do that is by not allowing the president

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Speaker 1: to ail his political enemies.

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Speaker 2: Now again, this is like always the.

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Speaker 1: Problem when covering Trump is like he says a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff, He talks a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Some of that stuff he ends up doing. Some of

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Speaker 2: that stuff.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't end up doing some of that stuff he

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Speaker 1: says so that people will get upset, and then his

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Speaker 1: people will say, well, we never were going to do that,

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Speaker 1: so again, and then sometimes he'll say stuff like I'm

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Speaker 1: going to jail my political enemies. This is by any measure,

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Speaker 1: absolutely one hundred percent not appropriate for a leader to

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Speaker 1: be saying in a democracy.

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Speaker 2: Now, maybe he's saying this because he.

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Speaker 1: Wants reporters to report it and then him not to

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Speaker 1: do it, and then them to look like they were overreacting,

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Speaker 1: who knows, But the reality is he's saying it.

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Speaker 2: It's bad, it should not happen.

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Speaker 1: People need to push back against it because it's not

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Speaker 1: what we do in a democracy and it's dangerous. And

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Speaker 1: so he said the quote is everybody on that committee

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Speaker 1: dot dot dot. Because this is Trump, so he never

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Speaker 1: says things in grammatically correct ways for what they did. Yeah, honestly,

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Speaker 1: they should go to jail.

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Speaker 2: Again. Not good, not what we do in a democracy.

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Speaker 1: It is absolutely flouting all the norms, breaking the norms,

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Speaker 2: Real important that none of this happens.

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Speaker 1: But again, it's Trump, so he could be just saying

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Speaker 1: stuff in the hopes of getting other people upset so

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Speaker 1: said that Liz Cheney and Bennie Thompson, those are the

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Speaker 1: former coheads of that committee, were behind his federal prosecutions.

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Speaker 1: As we know, there's no connection between federal prosecutions and

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Speaker 1: is a completely its own thing, not connected to the presidency,

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Speaker 1: not connected to Congress. And Trump then again said, however,

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Speaker 1: they should go to jail for what they did again,

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Speaker 1: And he even said, I think that everybody on the panel,

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Speaker 2: That is wrong. That is a flouting of norms.

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Speaker 1: The people on the panel, just for just to remind everyone,

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Speaker 1: there'll be more, will definitely see more on this topic.

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Speaker 1: But just remember again, we must protect norms and also

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Speaker 1: two things can be true. We must protect norms and

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Speaker 1: also Donald Trump says a lot of stuff. Some of

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Speaker 3: the sound of his own mouth yapping.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's true, Liz Cheney responded. And really the

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Speaker 1: This morning, President elect Trump again lied about the January

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Speaker 2: Here is the truth.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump attempted to overturn the twenty twenty election and

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Speaker 1: Worst breach of our constitution by any president. In our

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Speaker 1: response is absolutely pitch perfect, good for Liz Cheney. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: But it's true. It's true. So I have an alternate

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Speaker 3: theory about why mister Trump says all these things. It's

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Speaker 3: more that he loves the side of his voice, that

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Speaker 2: So birthright citizenship.

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Speaker 1: This is like, I understand that Trump wants to repeal

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Speaker 1: birthright citizenship, but he doesn't get to And I'm going

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Speaker 1: to read you exactly this is it's actually, believe it

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Speaker 1: or not, birthright citizenship is in the Constitution. I know

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Speaker 1: how much Trump and Republicans love textualism. It's Amendment fourteen,

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Speaker 1: Naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction

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Speaker 1: the law. So I'm just saying Trump, well, may he

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Speaker 1: That is illegal. It's against the Constitution. And if the

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Speaker 1: a no go for Trump. He may try, but he can't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure America First Legal will be up fighting

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Speaker 4: But it doesn't seem so confident about the BALI.

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Speaker 1: I mean, remember when he was running for office, he

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Speaker 1: So he told Walker that he can't guarantee anything. He

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Speaker 3: With the assassination of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, we've

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Speaker 3: seen a reaction that I think has puzzled a lot

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Speaker 1: So you and I had to talk about this, and

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Speaker 3: I was furious at the healthcare system because I've had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so we were talking about it, and I

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Speaker 1: thousands of dollars. And so you were like, look, Mo,

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Speaker 1: like people are fucking pissed about healthcare because it's just

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Speaker 2: Their health care.

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Speaker 1: And it's very hard to find people who are writing

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Speaker 2: And look, it really is.

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Speaker 1: So the comments online are people saying, you know, eat

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Speaker 1: expressing frustration about their healthcare. And even people like Ben Shapiro,

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Speaker 1: And then the comments are basically this is not a

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that there's like a really interesting thing

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Speaker 3: you ignore that almost every American who's not making enough

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, this is a big story that

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Speaker 1: we may get more and more from.

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Speaker 2: And this rage that people.

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Speaker 1: Have about the way they're being treated by their healthcore

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Speaker 1: stay tuned. Ben Wickler is the chairperson of Wisconsin Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Back Too Fast Politics, Rick Wilson, let's talk about

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Speaker 1: the United States Senate. I don't want to give them

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Speaker 1: too much credit. And again, like, if I've learned anything

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Speaker 1: from this cycle, it's that I am a cock eyed

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Speaker 1: optimist in a horrible way. But doesn't it seem like

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Speaker 5: I would say there seems to be a touch of

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Speaker 4: Let you recraise that.

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Speaker 1: It's not for you.

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Speaker 5: You have to strategically kiss ass with these people. It's

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Speaker 5: But look, no human being has ever in the history

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Speaker 5: it never fails. He will screw his own people. You're

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Speaker 1: against you when you're running for reelection. Is that still true?

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Speaker 5: There is now a premium for insanity in the market,

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Speaker 5: and so people can do crazier things than they used

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Speaker 5: to do, and vote crazier ways than they used to

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Speaker 5: and in fact they're kind of required a lot of

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Speaker 5: the time to do that, which is not pretty. That's

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Speaker 5: not the world we should live in as a serious country,

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Speaker 5: but it is the world we do live in as

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Speaker 5: a fairly unserious country. I look at this moment where

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Speaker 5: in Molly with like the risk factors in these guys

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Speaker 5: face are almost entirely on their right flock. They don't

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Speaker 5: feel and correctly so, they don't feel like they wake

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Speaker 5: up in the morning and go, oh man, if I

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Speaker 5: get the Chamber of Commerce, mad, I'm going to have

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Speaker 5: real problems. What they do get is, oh fuck, if

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Speaker 5: I piss off some right wing video blogger, I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: have a shit ton of problems. Oh no, Benny Johnson's

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Speaker 5: coming to attack me or whatever it is. Right, You know,

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Speaker 5: that stuff is really that has really become a very

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Speaker 5: ugly element of the GOPS like day to day existence.

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Speaker 5: Somebody resurfaced that clip yesterday, people walking after Lindsay Graham

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Speaker 5: just after January sixth, screaming abuse of the guy which

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Speaker 5: everyone loves to scream abuse at Lindy Graham. And he's certainly,

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Speaker 5: I'm sure paid good money for the same kind of thing.

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Speaker 5: But it's so not the kind of the kind of

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Speaker 5: behavioral thing that makes sense if you're if you're or

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Speaker 5: candidate or an elected official that do you want to

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Speaker 5: take that or do you want to avoid that? You

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Speaker 5: want to avoid it?

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Speaker 1: You know, you got Elon and Vivak on Capitol Hill yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Imagine how insane those meetings have to be.

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Speaker 5: Oh bonkers, batshit, cuckoo town crazy.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh fantastic, I mean fantastic. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to feel bad for Mike Johnson, but I almost feel

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Speaker 1: bad for Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I can constrain my desire to feel bad for Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 5: This is you know, he bought the pony.

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Speaker 1: It is amazing. Now like he's going to have to

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Speaker 1: try to explain government to these guys.

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Speaker 5: Well, look, I mean the scary ones that I think

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Speaker 5: people need to pay more attention to, like the russ

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Speaker 5: VOTs of the world and the other people that are

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Speaker 5: decidedly insane. You know, we're going to have to We're

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Speaker 5: gonna have to as a country recognize that, you know,

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Speaker 5: people are going to be trying to destroy this nation.

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Speaker 5: Inside the Trump administration, We're going to try to tear

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Speaker 5: down every conceivable element of sane governance. And I you know,

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Speaker 5: you kind of get that, you understand it. It's just

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Speaker 5: not it's not pretty much you understand it if we

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Speaker 5: don't put ourselves in a position I think you know

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Speaker 5: pretty quickly to start thinking about like not just blocking

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Speaker 5: or exposing or minimizing the impacts of the you know,

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Speaker 5: Pete Hexit is one thing. Some of these other folks

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Speaker 5: are truly as far out on the rim as you

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Speaker 5: can get.

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Speaker 1: I would say, Pete Hegsitt, if the limb is pretty far.

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Speaker 5: Oh no, Pete hegg Sitt, this is completely like.

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Speaker 1: Lack of doodle, yeah, but in insane, but with.

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Speaker 5: A magnificent head of hair.

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Speaker 1: And isn't that really what counts? Well? I think that

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Speaker 1: that's you know, you running the DD is to eighty

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Speaker 1: percent looks yeah, I'm it's eighty percent looks at a

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Speaker 1: hundred percent sass exactly.

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Speaker 5: Rick Wilson, Molly John Fast that's all, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you. Rick Wilson is the founder

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Speaker 1: of the Lincoln Project and host of the Enemy's List.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Ben, great to be back

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Speaker 1: with you. Molly so famously like the best Wisconsin Democratic

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Speaker 1: state chair ever, and now you're going to run for

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Speaker 1: the big job.

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Speaker 4: I'm running for national teen Treo Carey. Yes. So, Wisconsin

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Speaker 4: is a state that kind of experienced a preview for

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Speaker 4: what we might be about to experience nationwide. Wisconsin had

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Speaker 4: a bunch of like really deep progressive history and traditions

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Speaker 4: as a birthplace of the labor movement, of the progressive movement.

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Speaker 4: The Republican Party started as an anti slavery party in Wisconsin,

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Speaker 4: but it also had this far right strand in its

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Speaker 4: history Joe McCarthy and the John Birch Society. And in

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Speaker 4: twenty ten Republicans took over the state government and an

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Speaker 4: election that was kind of a lot was happening in

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Speaker 4: twenty ten, but it was not a year when the

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Speaker 4: public was demanding that Republicans come in and totally rig

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Speaker 4: the systems so they'd never lose, and then sell off

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Speaker 4: the state government to Shovel Monu to the richest people,

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Speaker 4: and that's what they did. They ask unions, they suppressed

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Speaker 4: the vote, that jerrymandered the living daylights out of Wisconsin.

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Speaker 4: They massively defunded public education, and it has been the

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Speaker 4: work of years of thousands of people. And I've been

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Speaker 4: proud to play a role working with everyone as our

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Speaker 4: state party chair for these last six years to fight

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Speaker 4: back through that and peace by peace to dismantle the

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Speaker 4: systems Republicans used to stop Wisconsin from manion democracy. And

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Speaker 4: we finally we defeated the gerrymandered maps because we won

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Speaker 4: state Supreme Court races and stopped Republicans from doing an

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Speaker 4: unconstitutional impeachment of a Supreme Court justice and had able

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Speaker 4: to elect and re elect Governor Evers are amazing Democratic

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Speaker 4: governor who's been a brick wall with these Republican attacks.

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Speaker 4: We've fought in legislative races up and down the ballot,

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Speaker 4: and this year, even though this was a national big

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Speaker 4: red shift year six points across the country, in Wisconsin,

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Speaker 4: we were the closest state in the presidential race in

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Speaker 4: the whole country was less than one point, and we

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Speaker 4: flipped fourteen state legislative seats this year. On the maps

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Speaker 4: that are finally fair. We re elected Tammy Baldon this

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Speaker 4: year in the US Senate, and what we found is

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Speaker 4: that if you run a permanent, year round campaign, you're

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Speaker 4: organizing everywhere and communicating everywhere, including reaching out to people

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Speaker 4: who are not trying to tune into politics all day.

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Speaker 4: You can punch above your weight. And the reason I

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Speaker 4: work then C chair is that vision. Nationally, it's to

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Speaker 4: unite the party around a vision of fighting in every state.

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Speaker 4: A fifty state strategy means fifty states and a strategy

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Speaker 4: in each state for what are the fights we need

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Speaker 4: to take on to be able to unlation new era

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Speaker 4: of progress and democracy and most critically, of delivery for

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Speaker 4: working people instead of ringing the system for the ultro

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Speaker 4: wealthy at the very top, which is Trump's actual goal

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Speaker 4: that he is currently playing out in front of our eyes.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain to us a little bit about what

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Speaker 1: a Democratic National Committee chairmanship, like, how does this election happen?

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Speaker 1: Explain to people who are not totally read in here

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Speaker 1: on what happens next?

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Speaker 4: Totally This is like this weird combination of a big

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Speaker 4: national story that has national significance and also it's four

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Speaker 4: hundred and forty eight voters. So it's like, you know

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Speaker 4: the size of a small town city council race, or

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Speaker 4: a student council race, or a papal conclave or whatever

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Speaker 4: whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: To lave if you're yeah, it is.

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Speaker 4: A group of people with no infallibility. It's a situation

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Speaker 4: where there's a group of people. Every one of them

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Speaker 4: is there either because they're appointed as an at large

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Speaker 4: appointee by the current DNC chair Jamie Harrison, who is

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Speaker 4: a great friend who worked with President Biden and appointed

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Speaker 4: the seventy five appointees, or they are elected in their

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Speaker 4: states either to become the chair or vice chair of

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Speaker 4: their state party or committee man or a woman in

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Speaker 4: their state party. Or they're there in a kind of

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Speaker 4: institutional capacity as to senators, to governors, you know, the

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Speaker 4: kind of roles that reflect the different parts of the

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Speaker 4: Democratic Coalition, to mayors and municipal officials, and so everyone

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Speaker 4: is there, you know, by dint of a role in

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Speaker 4: how democratic politics works, and they all represent the interests

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Speaker 4: of their state or the type of office that they

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Speaker 4: that they are part of, but also share a kind

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Speaker 4: of commit meant to the Democratic Party being strong and effective.

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Speaker 4: And my job as a DNC chair candidate is to

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Speaker 4: connect with each one of them individually. And if you're

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Speaker 4: a DNC member and I haven't called you yet, you

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Speaker 4: are on my list and I look forward to connecting

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Speaker 4: with you soon. And if I've left your voicemail, there's

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Speaker 4: no judgment. I just look forward to reaching you next

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Speaker 4: time I call you. I both reach out to them.

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Speaker 4: I also talk to folks in the press and talk

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Speaker 4: to you today here ROLLI about the vision for what

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Speaker 4: we want to do, because part of this job is

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Speaker 4: to be a spokesperson for the party, and part of

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Speaker 4: what DNC members are looking at is can someone explain

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Speaker 4: the strategy in a way that can help to inspire

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Speaker 4: people to volunteer and to donate and to get involved

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Speaker 4: in these fights. And then the third part is really

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Speaker 4: about the kind of vision for where the party needs

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Speaker 4: to go and that ultimately, people choose who to vote

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Speaker 4: for for a mix of those different reasons, but they

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Speaker 4: want someone who is going to be able to work

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Speaker 4: with them to empower DNC members and state parties. And

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Speaker 4: we work with our elected official partners and candidates to

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Speaker 4: win a ton more elections than we'd otherwise win because

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Speaker 4: the stakes are so big for so many people, especially

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Speaker 4: for working folks who are about to watch the kind

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Speaker 4: of basic foundations of middle classic existence in this country

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Speaker 4: get systematically dismantled or attempted to do by the billionaires

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Speaker 4: running the Trump administration. We have to have a strong

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Speaker 4: Democratic party to have a future for folks in all

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Speaker 4: communities across this country economically and when it comes to

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Speaker 4: their basic freedoms.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you. It strikes me that Biden

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Speaker 1: did a lot of amazing legislation and they couldn't ever

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Speaker 1: get it out right, Like, they couldn't ever transmit this

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Speaker 1: information to voters, right, that was ultimately the big problem, Right,

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Speaker 1: voters never knew what it was, you know, so many

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Speaker 1: of these investments, like they just were not able to

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Speaker 1: transmit them. And is it a messaging problem or is

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Speaker 1: it like a messenger problem, or is it a not

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Speaker 1: doing media problem or is it a need to create

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Speaker 1: new media problem? I mean, what is the problem here?

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Speaker 1: Because obviously the legislation is good.

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Speaker 4: The legislation is great, and I think there's two big,

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Speaker 4: big problems. So the first is that we've passed really

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Speaker 4: good bills that are going to have a long term,

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Speaker 4: giant impact on people's lives, and that, to me is

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Speaker 4: the only true measure of our work is the impact

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Speaker 4: that has on people's lives. How are we making a

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Speaker 4: difference for working folks across the country. But the problem

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Speaker 4: is we've passed a lot of COVID relief legislation democratic

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Speaker 4: votes under Trump, and then the Democrats in the Democratics

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Speaker 4: are effected at the beginning of the Biden administration that

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Speaker 4: made a huge difference in people's lives and then went away.

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Speaker 4: And so even though they successfully prevented the economy from

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Speaker 4: melting down and kickstarted it, in the economy that is

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Speaker 4: the envy of the world, with wage growth highest at

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Speaker 4: the bottom, it's still the case that if you're making

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Speaker 4: forty thousand dollars a year, the growth in your wages

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Speaker 4: has not come close to the loss in support that

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Speaker 4: you experienced when the child tare attax credit went away

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Speaker 4: and expanded unemployment went away, and the stimulus texts, and

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Speaker 4: so people actually experienced sharp drops and income in the

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Speaker 4: bottom especially bottom half, bottom third of the economic letder

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Speaker 4: and they also experienced rising prices and the sort of

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Speaker 4: second half of the policy thing is a lot of

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Speaker 4: the benefits from these major infrastructure and chips ACKed and

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Speaker 4: these different bills they're going to come over years. There's

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Speaker 4: a lot of work to do, and there's a big

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Speaker 4: public discourse around abundance and the idea of like clearing

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Speaker 4: the way to be able to move much more quickly

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Speaker 4: on deliver around this stuff. But we're we're planting seeds

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Speaker 4: that are going to turn into trees that the sapling

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Speaker 4: or the sprout coming out of the ground. It doesn't

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Speaker 4: move votes because it hasn't reshaped the kind of opportunities

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Speaker 4: and communities already at the pace that it would have

657
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Speaker 4: needed to. So when we look at the data in

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Speaker 4: this election, the first thing we see is the people

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Speaker 4: who said they were hit hardest by inflation, who felt

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Speaker 4: that the things were toughest, and who didn't hear democratic

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Speaker 4: or Republican messaging were the ones who are most likely

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Speaker 4: to either not vote or shift towards shrump. And I

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Speaker 4: think that is a situation where they lived reality of

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Speaker 4: having that help and having it go away, having prices

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Speaker 4: go up, and it doesn't feel like anyone that'd help you,

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Speaker 4: that mose votes away from you, And that happened to

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Speaker 4: every wealthy country government in the world. Left right and

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Speaker 4: centered this election, and it happened here too. So there's

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Speaker 4: things about policy design that suggests. But the other side

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Speaker 4: of this is about message, which is right now, the

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Speaker 4: places where the candidates campaigned the most and spent the

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Speaker 4: most on ads and did the most, the shift towards

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Speaker 4: Trump was the least. But even in those places, the

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Speaker 4: shift was concentrated among the people who were not paying

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Speaker 4: attention to what candidates were saying, and who don't watch TV,

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Speaker 4: and who maybe get you know, information from totally different sources,

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Speaker 4: like they're spending a lot of time watching you know,

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Speaker 4: stream you know, twitch streams and video games. And as democrats,

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Speaker 4: I think we need to better learn how to go

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Speaker 4: to those places, and how to build up a kind

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Speaker 4: of progressive media ecosystem and deploy messengers on conservative ground

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Speaker 4: who can effectively convey a message even in really hostile territory.

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Speaker 4: And we have to do all those things because and

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Speaker 4: communicate in ways that people actually comprehend that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: That are concrete, physical things that we're talking about, not

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Speaker 4: just big abstractions. Because we are on people's side, and

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Speaker 4: that is not landing with the people for whom it

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Speaker 4: make a difference.

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Speaker 1: It's insane, right, Yeah, So.

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Speaker 4: We have to change how we communicate, where and who

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Speaker 4: the communicators are and do that on a year round

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Speaker 4: basis and really get into where are people learning about

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Speaker 4: what's happening in the world, and go to those places.

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Speaker 4: And at the same time you recognize that just as

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Speaker 4: the prostration and the pain of hardship, of prices going up,

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Speaker 4: of housing being unaffordable, especially, it's maybe the most central

697
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Speaker 4: thing for so many people, groceries, all this stuff, prescription drugs,

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Speaker 4: that pain. There's going to be a new version of that,

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Speaker 4: which is Trump trying to smash the healthcare and supportful

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Speaker 4: working people across the country in order to give giant

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Speaker 4: tax cuts to the ultra rich. So is about to

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Speaker 4: be on Trump's foot. His policies are so bad for

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Speaker 4: so many people. And if we can narrate and explain

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Speaker 4: what is going on when they try to sell off

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Speaker 4: the kind of the public square for parts to the

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Speaker 4: ultra rich, then I think we have a chance to

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Speaker 4: demonstrate to folks that we are fighting for them against

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Speaker 4: people trying to break the system from the top of

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Speaker 4: their own benefit, and that allows us to then make

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Speaker 4: a ton of gains that we then need to turn

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Speaker 4: into policies that make a difference that actually build that

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Speaker 4: trust that we are fighting for people. That's the long

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Speaker 4: term play is for people to see that if they

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Speaker 4: vote for Democrats, they get change that they want, and

715
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Speaker 4: then you can build a positive loop. But this loop

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Speaker 4: kind of happened in reverseless time and it's going to

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Speaker 4: take a lot of fighting to come back out the

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Speaker 4: other side.

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Speaker 1: Like, there are a lot of people who are really

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Speaker 1: despairing about where we are. Can you give them like

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Speaker 1: a two minute pep talk? Absolutely so, and by them

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Speaker 1: I mean me so on one hand.

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Speaker 4: No sugarcoating it. This is a bleak, challenging moment. Republicans

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Speaker 4: control the presidency, they control the House, they control the.

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Speaker 1: Senate, but by one seat.

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Speaker 4: Well that's the other side of the point. So the

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Speaker 4: consequences of Republicans having power. Trump has appointed this fleet

728
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Speaker 4: of mega billionaires with gigantic conflicts of interest to try

729
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Speaker 4: to create this explosion of corruption at the very top.

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Speaker 4: And Republicans in Congress are most likely to rubber stamp

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Speaker 4: everything terrible Trump wants to do. And there's going to

732
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Speaker 4: be bad stuff that we're going to have to fight against.

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Speaker 4: And that's real and They're going to attack all kinds

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Speaker 4: of communities and try to take away people's basic freedoms.

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Speaker 4: And that is real, and that is scary. The other

736
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Speaker 4: side of the coin is that their victory was minuscule.

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Speaker 4: They have the smallest House majority. This was the closest

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Speaker 4: presidential election this century since the two thousand election, one

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Speaker 4: of the four closest in one hundred years. The public

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Speaker 4: has not given up on the core values that make

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Speaker 4: this country great. They've not given up on the idea

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Speaker 4: that the government should be on the side of working people,

743
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Speaker 4: or that people should have freedom and dignity and respect.

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Speaker 4: Those things are still deeply popular. A lot of the

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Speaker 4: people who shifted or didn't vote were the people who

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Speaker 4: had the least sense of what Trump was about to

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Speaker 4: try to do to the country or what Democrats wanted

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Speaker 4: to do. So have courage and recognize that if we

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Speaker 4: do this work, if we actually do show up and

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Speaker 4: organize all over the country and communicate in every place,

751
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Speaker 4: in every platform, we can win enormous games in twenty five, six, seven, eight.

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Speaker 4: I'll give one example. Wisconsin right now is gearing up

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Speaker 4: for a Supreme Court election on April first, that once again,

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Speaker 4: like the one in twenty twenty three, it'll determine the

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Speaker 4: majority in our state Supreme Court. And there's a far

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Speaker 4: righta Republican who's the former right wing Attorney General, Brad Schimmel,

757
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Speaker 4: who's running for that office and he's trying to sound

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Speaker 4: just like Trump. And Susan Crawford is the the great

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Speaker 4: judge who as in private practice, represented planned parent who

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Speaker 4: she's running for the thatt seed. And Democrats can organize

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Speaker 4: and fight and win that and prevent Democrats from Republicans

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Speaker 4: from rejerymandering our state and open up or pass for

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Speaker 4: freedom an opportunity in our state. That election is happening

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Speaker 4: in just a few months, and we can fight on that.

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Speaker 4: We can fight in New Jersey, in Virginia, and then

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Speaker 4: in twenty six all over the country. There's a chance

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Speaker 4: to make dramatic gains that can turn into real change

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Speaker 4: in people's lives. And that fight. When we join together

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Speaker 4: and do that fight based on our deepest values, people

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Speaker 4: will respond. And we're going to win elections in a

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Speaker 4: moment that feels like a crisis for democracy and for

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Speaker 4: everything we care about, and we will find hope and

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Speaker 4: energy that comes out of that work. So That is

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Speaker 4: the good news in my mind, is that the bottom

775
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Speaker 4: did not fall out. The Republicans speak in by a

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Speaker 4: hairsbread and they're about to lose all that power. When

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Speaker 4: the public sees what they want to do and they

778
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Speaker 4: see how we are fighting for them, that is the

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Speaker 4: next step, and that is what I want to do

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Speaker 4: at the DNC, and that's what I hope we can

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Speaker 4: bring everyone back together to wave those fights that really matter.

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Speaker 1: Tell us what your idea of a fifty state solution

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Speaker 1: would look like.

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Speaker 4: So the fifty states, and it's a fifty seven state

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Speaker 4: party strategy because there's the territories and Democrats abroad. The

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Speaker 4: fifty seven state party strategy is in every state and

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Speaker 4: every state party. You work with your elected officials and candidates,

788
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Speaker 4: with the national committees, with your partners and allies and

789
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Speaker 4: the labor movement and grasstrates organizations, and you look through

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Speaker 4: across these next four years and beyond, what are the

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Speaker 4: fights we're going to need to win in some in

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Speaker 4: super red states, often that's municipal elections or state legislative

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Speaker 4: races that would allow you to break a Republican and

794
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Speaker 4: super majority. In really blue places, there's some there's going

795
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Speaker 4: to be some areas where there's a right wing county

796
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Speaker 4: sheriff for people running a school board who you can

797
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Speaker 4: focus on making sure you can defeat and replace with

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Speaker 4: someone who shares our values. And then there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of states where everything's up for grabs, or there's major

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Speaker 4: pieces up for grabs that if Democrats win a super

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Speaker 4: majority in the state legislature, they can override the Republican

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Speaker 4: governors be there, and of course they have a governor's

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Speaker 4: race in two years. You build a plan based on

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Speaker 4: what are the fights you are going to take on,

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Speaker 4: and once you have that strategy, then the National Committee

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Speaker 4: partners with all those states to find resources. You figure

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Speaker 4: out all the different folks who have a stake in

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Speaker 4: making sure that you can win those fights, and you

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Speaker 4: build the kind of year round organizing and communications infrastructure

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Speaker 4: that we built in Wisconsin and a few other states

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Speaker 4: where you do that in every state, purpose built for

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Speaker 4: the fights we have to take on. And when people

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Speaker 4: get involved in something that can actually win and move

814
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Speaker 4: the needle, it energizes them. You can raise more money,

815
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 4: you can recruit more volunteers, you get candidates who to

816
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Speaker 4: step up and jump into these races in a different

817
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Speaker 4: way when you know that you're part of something bigger.

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Speaker 4: And that to me is the fifty state strategy, the

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Speaker 4: opportunity we have now because there's people are hungry for hope,

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Speaker 4: and I get that. I feel that myself, and hope

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Speaker 4: comes from actually seeing a path, even if it's a

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Speaker 4: faint path, seeing a path something better that if you

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Speaker 4: put your energy into it, you can actually move forward

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Speaker 4: along that path and it. You know, they're all over

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Speaker 4: the country right now. There are people who are dreaming

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Speaker 4: of running for office or be involved in a campaign

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Speaker 4: that they can make things a little bit better for

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Speaker 4: the folks in their communities, and we want to give

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Speaker 4: them a chance to be able to take action.

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Speaker 1: And do that. Explain to us when you are doing this,

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Speaker 1: what's the difference, Like your state party chair Wisconsin, you

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Speaker 1: would be like DNC chair, What would that mean exactly?

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Speaker 1: What does the job look like?

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Speaker 4: So there'll need more time on the road, but instead

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Speaker 4: of going to counting these across Wisconsin, they'll be going

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Speaker 4: the states across the country. At the Washington d C

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Speaker 4: still raising my family in Wisconsin. It's a whole different

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Speaker 4: order of magnitude of complexity and intensity because every state

839
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Speaker 4: has different complex challenges and relationships, and of course DC itself,

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Speaker 4: the DNC, the building as they call it, and the

841
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Speaker 4: web of the different networks of the House and the

842
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Speaker 4: Governor's Association, attorney generals and lieutenant governors and state legislators

843
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Speaker 4: and municipal officials and mayors, and all the different parts

844
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Speaker 4: of this ecosystem, and our allies organized labor and the

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Speaker 4: union movement and all the big grassroots organizations and civil

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Speaker 4: rights groups and all the kind of big movement of

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Speaker 4: people that share fundamentally this idea that this country should

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Speaker 4: work for working people, and that every person, no matter

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Speaker 4: what they look like or where they live, should have

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Speaker 4: freedom and opportunity and dignity. Everyone involved in that work

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Speaker 4: has a stake in what happens at the DNC, and

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Speaker 4: so there's a political component to help to build a

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Speaker 4: vision big enough that everyone has space in it and

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Speaker 4: work with folks to define that. There's fund raising to

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Speaker 4: make sure we can support the work to do it.

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Speaker 4: There's management to make sure we have amazing people who

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Speaker 4: are doing the best work of their lives in partnership

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Speaker 4: with all the different allied groups to be able to

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Speaker 4: do this there's communication to both go after Trump as

860
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Speaker 4: he tries to pass themulti trillion dollar tax cut for

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Speaker 4: billionaires and take on the GOP, but also to build

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Speaker 4: up and support a ton of other communicators. Will have

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Speaker 4: vice chairs of the DNC that will be criss crossing

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Speaker 4: the country and communicating in every place, in every platform.

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Speaker 4: And then there's the actual elections, and you need to

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Speaker 4: mobilize huge numbers of people, hundreds of thousands and millions

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Speaker 4: of people to get involved. And I think at heart,

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Speaker 4: I think of this as an organizing challenge, because organizing

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Speaker 4: is the art of getting a bunch of people to

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Speaker 4: work together for a common goal. And there are so

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Speaker 4: many people who want to do that, and there's so

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Speaker 4: many big goals that we have to be able to win.

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Speaker 4: And my campaign slogan is unite to fight Win. It

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Speaker 4: is to unite the party around that vision, to fight

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Speaker 4: in the fights in every state to be able to

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Speaker 4: do this. And if we do all that, we can

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Speaker 4: win and we can make a difference in people's lives.

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Speaker 4: That's the reason I'm running for DNC chair. And it

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Speaker 4: gets me fired up just they came about it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Ben, thank you, Molly.

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Speaker 4: Really grateful.

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Speaker 2: There no moment. Jesse Cannon Somali.

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Speaker 3: One of the things we knew when Trump on is

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Speaker 3: that this would also be an emboldening moment for the

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Speaker 3: right to try to take away women's reproductive health rights.

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Speaker 3: And in Missouri, we're seeing that chicken come home to roost.

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Speaker 1: Missouri lawmakers prefile over a dozen bills resolutions on abortion

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Speaker 1: in response to Amendment three plassing. So Amendment three is

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Speaker 1: what they were trying to enshrine abortion in the constitution,

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Speaker 1: and they voted for it. So this was a real

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Speaker 1: interesting thing that happened in this cycle was that people

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Speaker 1: voted for abortion protection in their constitution, but then voted

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Speaker 1: for Trump. So they said, we're going to have a

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Speaker 1: Republican president, but we're going to protect abortion in our constitution.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, And I kept thinking about this and

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Speaker 1: kept thinking, the legislators are never going to let this go.

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Speaker 2: They're never going to enact these legislations.

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Speaker 1: Because we even saw in Florida, Remember, voters voted to

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Speaker 1: allow felons who had serve time to be put back

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Speaker 1: so hard to do it, made it so expensive that

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Speaker 1: it wasn't able to be enacted, and I sort of thought,

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Speaker 1: this is what they're going to do with these abortion amendments,

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Speaker 1: is that voters are going to vote for them, and

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Speaker 1: then Republicans are going to not allow them to be enacted.

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Speaker 1: This is incredibly shortsighted by Republicans, and if Republicans were smart,

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Speaker 1: they would let these things be enacted, even if they

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Speaker 1: were perhaps not in exactly the way they had been

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Speaker 1: written in the text of the amendments. Because what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen here is that here are these people. They

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Speaker 1: voted for abortion rights, they're not going to get them.

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Speaker 1: They voted for Trump. You know, whatever can be taken

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Speaker 1: away when it comes to choice will be taken away,

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Speaker 1: and then we're going to end up having a lot

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Speaker 1: of really angry voters. All of this stuff that Republicans

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Speaker 1: are doing works for them if there aren't more elections,

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Speaker 1: but if there are more elections, I don't think.

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Speaker 2: It's going to help them.

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