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Speaker 6: It is Thursday, September seventh, twenty twenty three, Season nineteen,
Speaker 6: episode number twenty six. Welcome to the latest edition of
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Speaker 6: going to get into more talk Cowboys versus Giants. That's
Speaker 6: coming up Sunday night, Sunday Night Football. We'll talk about
Speaker 6: the Giants defense today. I'm sorry, we talking about the
Speaker 6: Giants offense today first Cowboys defense. Before we do that, though,
Speaker 6: got to get some updates on some injuries. We've got
Speaker 6: three that we're keeping an eye on. One that actually
Speaker 6: has some good news, not necessarily about the injury per se,
Speaker 6: but just some personal news.
Speaker 2: It's for mister Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 7: Donovan Wilson, he's missing practice today for what Mike McCarthy
Speaker 7: called a great personal reason. And as it turns out,
Speaker 7: Donald is the latest Dallas cowboy to welcome a newborn
Speaker 7: into his family.
Speaker 5: So that makes three since July.
Speaker 7: So it was Tony Pollard early in training camp, Cavante Turpin,
Speaker 7: and now Donovan Wilson. And McCarthy said, he told the guys,
Speaker 7: if there's something something in the water, let me go right.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that water away from me in my household.
Speaker 5: So congratulations, you might have just changed yourself.
Speaker 2: So Cannowledge bro done with that.
Speaker 5: God's plan.
Speaker 7: So Donovan Wilson, So no change in his status as
Speaker 7: far as availability or potentially lack thereof against the giants.
Speaker 7: We still don't know any thing more than we did
Speaker 7: yesterday other than he's doing work on the cords. But
Speaker 7: he'll have a chance to do some more work tomorrow,
Speaker 7: not a practice tomorrow, but do some work and then
Speaker 7: the walkthrough on Saturday, which is I think really when
Speaker 7: they'll make a determination on him. Some more positive news
Speaker 7: on Tyler Smith, although he is not still not participating
Speaker 7: in today's practice today being Thursday. Mike McCarthy basically affirmed
Speaker 7: what I said on yesterday's show, what my plan would
Speaker 7: be would be to sit out Tyler Smith all this week,
Speaker 7: give him the walkthrough on Saturday, and then say hey
Speaker 7: see Sunday night. Mike McCarthy this morning said that all
Speaker 7: Tyler Smith needs to have a good shot at playing
Speaker 7: on Sunday is to participate in the walkthrough on Saturday.
Speaker 7: So it looks like that bar is really low for
Speaker 7: Tyler Smith, which is good.
Speaker 5: He said.
Speaker 7: Tyler told him that he feels great. He's feeling good
Speaker 7: with that hamstring strings, So really good chance that Tyler
Speaker 7: Smith takes to fill. Sam Williams with the turf toe
Speaker 7: still with the rehab group today on Thursday, but he
Speaker 7: did more work today than he did on yesterday, so
Speaker 7: I'm still I'm right there with broad Us on I'm
Speaker 7: pessimistic on if Sam takes the field on Sunday, but
Speaker 7: it does look like he's at least making some progress.
Speaker 7: So that's what's going on on the injury front. I
Speaker 7: will say key to note Jordan Lewis was a full
Speaker 7: participant in yesterday's practice, so as he returns from his
Speaker 7: list frank injury which was actually worse than that, he
Speaker 7: is practicing fully in his second week back from the
Speaker 7: pup list. He says he feels good. I talked to
Speaker 7: him in the locker room yesterday. I asked him straight up,
Speaker 7: I said, hey, are they ramping you up in practice?
Speaker 7: And he said, quote unquote hell no, he said. Mike
Speaker 7: told him, I want to throw you into the fire.
Speaker 7: So he said he was being lined up against Lamb
Speaker 7: Cook's gallup yesterday, so expect more of that today. So
Speaker 7: good look for Jordan Lewis going into Sunday's matchup against
Speaker 7: the Giants.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to come down to the wire. I
Speaker 3: think on Tyler Smith, I think it's gonna I anticipaid
Speaker 3: him being with Britt Brown all week until Saturday, and
Speaker 3: then they're going to figure it out from there. I
Speaker 3: don't and a doga. You know, we talked about veteran options.
Speaker 3: He seems like the guy that they would probably put
Speaker 3: in there at left guard uh to to be, But
Speaker 3: I would I would anticipate the next couple of days,
Speaker 3: they're really trying to figure out Tyler Smith's injury, and
Speaker 3: so you know, Britt does a good job of, you know,
Speaker 3: getting those guys ready. You know, he could talk about
Speaker 3: feeling great and feeling healthy and all that, but the
Speaker 3: termination is going to come from that trainer and that
Speaker 3: you know, if how that if he's ready to go,
Speaker 3: much like it is with Sam Williams as well, you know,
Speaker 3: if he goes out there and works out and just
Speaker 3: doesn't feel right or it doesn't look right or he
Speaker 3: can't push off, they're not going to put a hurt
Speaker 3: player out there. They just don't do that. So I
Speaker 3: do think it's going to be close on uh on
Speaker 3: Tyler Smith. And you know, again that's just talking some
Speaker 3: folks in the organization. Yeah, just a.
Speaker 8: Little bit scary because sometimes when situations like that happen
Speaker 8: where you're literally waiting down to the wire and let's
Speaker 8: say this in this instance, what happens Saturday with him
Speaker 8: and the walk through him, pregame warm ups and all that,
Speaker 8: it makes you wonder, too, is it better to just
Speaker 8: given that it's the first week of the season, is
Speaker 8: it better to just be super extra precautionary and take
Speaker 8: precaution and just letting him rest for a whole week
Speaker 8: in case he re injures himself or whatever. Because we're starting,
Speaker 8: we haven't played a single game yet, and you do
Speaker 8: want him healthy all throughout the season.
Speaker 7: I think that's a good point. I mean, not that
Speaker 7: I think it's a good point. It is a good point.
Speaker 7: What I would also add to that, though, is to
Speaker 7: your point, as far as they'll work him out with
Speaker 7: the Saturday walk through, you got the pregame, and then
Speaker 7: they'll ask him how he feels after the pregame, and
Speaker 7: then if he's a game time decision, that's how they'll
Speaker 7: make that decision. But you know that precaution could also
Speaker 7: be lending itself to them allowing him to start. If
Speaker 7: Saturday's walk through looks good, pre game looks good, let
Speaker 7: him start, and then after a couple of reps, you
Speaker 7: pull them to the side and say, hey, how are
Speaker 7: you feeling, and then you have that contingency plan. B
Speaker 7: Ity Dogo or Bass whomever else brought Kaufman maybe some
Speaker 7: awesome richards, But I think that's a measure as well,
Speaker 7: because I do think you have to at least give,
Speaker 7: if he feels good enough, give him the chance to
Speaker 7: line up against this New York Giants defensive front because
Speaker 7: you're going to need it. Knowing that while every game
Speaker 7: is important, statistically speaking, this game is more important than
Speaker 7: Week two against the New York Jets. So if you're
Speaker 7: going to have to be without him. You'd rather be
Speaker 7: against the Jets than against New York just by way
Speaker 7: of the division race. Right, So if you're going to
Speaker 7: be a little less than one hundred percent, yeah, you
Speaker 7: want to defeat Aaron Rodgers, obviously, but you know, potentially
Speaker 7: losing to the Jets is not as bad as losing
Speaker 7: to the Giants, especially in week one when you have
Speaker 7: all this hype coming into the season.
Speaker 3: You know what, I disagree with you on that one
Speaker 3: because I feel like, though there's always seventeen of these games,
Speaker 3: you know, and so you know they always ask you
Speaker 3: to like, is this a must win? Hell, they're all
Speaker 3: must win. You only play seventeen of them. You know
Speaker 3: this isn't Major League Baseball we play one hundred and
Speaker 3: sixty two or NBA play eighty two. You know this
Speaker 3: is you have to think about if if if if
Speaker 3: there's questions about him potentially hurting himself. You know, I
Speaker 3: get it. You've started adoga, he's practiced all week. Fine,
Speaker 3: if something happens, I wouldn't play him on the on
Speaker 3: the hey, how do you feel? Bit? I would say,
Speaker 3: either you're gonna play this game or you're not gonna
Speaker 3: play this game, you know. But yeah, I kind of
Speaker 3: feel like though you know, I'm not playing with that.
Speaker 3: You know we're gonna rotate guys here that way. I'm
Speaker 3: either I'm either going to go with the guy that
Speaker 3: practiced all week or the guy like if if we
Speaker 3: determine that Tyler Smith is healthy enough to go full
Speaker 3: full game and not have any problems, then that's what
Speaker 3: I'm gonna roll with. I'm more like with Ambar though.
Speaker 3: I know, to me, if if if my guy is
Speaker 3: somewhat questionable or limited, it happens late in the year
Speaker 3: where guys are really banged up and you get to
Speaker 3: that point. But right now, if he's not healthy enough
Speaker 3: to go and give me confidency and go the whole game.
Speaker 3: I live that in a game at the Metlands before
Speaker 3: with Amari Cooper going five plays against the Jets and
Speaker 3: then not playing the rest of the game. So I'm
Speaker 3: not going to do that again for sure.
Speaker 7: I think my point is is you're going to if
Speaker 7: he feels good and Saturday walk through and he passes
Speaker 7: the pregame physical and everything, then.
Speaker 3: He's good enough to go.
Speaker 5: He's good enough to go.
Speaker 7: Yeah, But with that being said, you're still playing a
Speaker 7: guy that didn't practice all week anyway.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's the thing that they you know,
Speaker 3: that's that's their rule. I mean, there used to be
Speaker 3: a previous administration used to be here where if you
Speaker 3: didn't practice, you really didn't play. You know. If that's
Speaker 3: if that's Mike McCarthy's way of doing it, and that's
Speaker 3: you know, okay, but determine that if he is good
Speaker 3: enough that he is not going to get injured and
Speaker 3: we're going to lose him for the Jets and two
Speaker 3: or three other games down the road. I'm determined.
Speaker 5: If we're talking two or three games, then no, you
Speaker 5: sit him for a week one.
Speaker 3: But well, that's what I'm saying. If you could get
Speaker 3: into a game and all of a sudden strain turns
Speaker 3: into a poll or something worse, then you know, I
Speaker 3: think that to me, that's prevent I'm more with Ambar this.
Speaker 3: You've got a doga ready all week play and if
Speaker 3: he's ready, I mean playing because he's practiced. But if
Speaker 3: Tyler Smith is, if they determine on Saturday that it's
Speaker 3: not that he's moving around and he can't and he's gonna.
Speaker 5: Be shut him down. Shut I'm there with that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm there with that.
Speaker 6: It's interesting you say that said they it's only seventeen games.
Speaker 6: Reminds me of what Parcels used to say, it's football season.
Speaker 2: In football season. Football players play football. There's not there's not, honestly.
Speaker 6: And then I think the players look at it like that,
Speaker 6: like there's only seventeen.
Speaker 3: Chances you get opportunities.
Speaker 5: Yeah, uh, And they want to be out which is
Speaker 5: why Tyler wants to be out there.
Speaker 8: They want to be like, you don't want to bubble
Speaker 8: wrap anybody, because that's the whole point of what you
Speaker 8: work for the whole year. But at the same time,
Speaker 8: you got to be precautionary.
Speaker 5: And you play the balance game.
Speaker 7: If he wants to go, if he's good to go,
Speaker 7: at least good enough to go because football players play football,
Speaker 7: then he looks good. Pregame, you put him in and
Speaker 7: then after you know the first offensive drivet, you do
Speaker 7: pull him to the side and say, how are you
Speaker 7: feeling any soreness, any tightness, And if he says no, okay,
Speaker 7: then you playing the rest of this game. If he
Speaker 7: says it's tightened up a little bit, okay, well now
Speaker 7: it's the conversation that that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's let's move on real quick.
Speaker 6: I wanted to get to one bigger question around the
Speaker 6: defense before we get into the actual assessment of the
Speaker 6: defense versus the Giants offense. Looking back at last season,
Speaker 6: they were I able to say probably among the top
Speaker 6: you could say, probably realistic top seven to eight defenses
Speaker 6: in the league. You might even say a little higher.
Speaker 6: But that being said, if there was one thing going
Speaker 6: into this year that you'd say this, this defense needs
Speaker 6: to be much better at this and it'll take them
Speaker 6: to that next level.
Speaker 3: Cowboys the defense about to say the Giants don't turn
Speaker 3: they don't get any turnover. No, yeah, I'm talking Yeah.
Speaker 3: If you're a Giants fan, you want them to turn
Speaker 3: the ball, of which they're absolutely horrible.
Speaker 6: They're looking at the Cowboys defense as a whole, going
Speaker 6: back to last season, what's that one thing you'd want
Speaker 6: them to be better at.
Speaker 5: It's got to be run defense, and I think it,
Speaker 5: but they were. It improved.
Speaker 7: It improved markedly. When you get the trade for Jonathan Hankins,
Speaker 7: it absolutely did. You also saw what happened when Jonathan
Speaker 7: Hankins was out for a couple games with injury, it
Speaker 7: kind of took a step down again, But I think
Speaker 7: that can be boasted with the addition of Mazzie Smith.
Speaker 7: And I'm right there with Brian on you need to
Speaker 7: unleash Mozzie as much as possible, let him get them rest. Agree,
Speaker 7: But I think that while it has improved with Jonathan
Speaker 7: Hankins and theoretically should improve that much more so with
Speaker 7: the Massie Smith. Until you see that run defense for
Speaker 7: the Cowboys consistently week in week out for the majority,
Speaker 7: if not the entirety of a season, quell any concerns
Speaker 7: that you've had over the past several years. That's going
Speaker 7: to continue to be kind of like the crutch of
Speaker 7: the defense. They can take the ball away in the air,
Speaker 7: they can take the ball away on the ground, they
Speaker 7: can force fumbles, just that they can get interceptions. Their
Speaker 7: pass rush is arguably one of, if not the best,
Speaker 7: in the league when you put it up against the
Speaker 7: Eagles and the forty nine ers. So the weak spot,
Speaker 7: if you're not talking about depth like linebacker, the weak
Speaker 7: spot for me, albeit not a weak spot anymore, just
Speaker 7: needs to consistency to prove to me that they can
Speaker 7: stop the run on top of everything else, and once
Speaker 7: they do away with that question mark, it's impenetrable defense
Speaker 7: at that point.
Speaker 3: Stupid third down penalties, Stupid third down penalties. How many
Speaker 3: times have we seen a third and twelve, third and eight,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, they get a great stop,
Speaker 3: they get pressure, they get a sack, whatever. Then there's
Speaker 3: a legal contact, there's a legal there's a hold, a
Speaker 3: defensive hole, hands to the face, low unsportsmanlike penalty, low
Speaker 3: into the quarterback's legs. You know you're getting off the
Speaker 3: field on third down. Don't put your defense back in
Speaker 3: harms way by an illegal contact penalty on the complete
Speaker 3: opposite side of the field. If you're a safety, don't
Speaker 3: hold the tight end when he's not a factor in
Speaker 3: the play. Limit the stupid third down penalties that keep
Speaker 3: you from getting off the field.
Speaker 8: Kevin Joseph is no longer here.
Speaker 2: So that's that's Sam Williams.
Speaker 3: Progress, you know, and it will Digs Diggs hold.
Speaker 8: Ye, I don't know that language that you're talking about,
Speaker 8: but no, there are a number of there are a
Speaker 8: number of players I think you could probably point to
Speaker 8: for some of those silly mistakes like they'll they'll throw
Speaker 8: some of those at you in and and most that's.
Speaker 3: That is the one thing like this defense will do
Speaker 3: a great job of getting you in a bad position,
Speaker 3: and then they will they will choke you off to
Speaker 3: get off the field. But then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: it's a it's a holding penalty, hands to the face, uh,
Speaker 3: illegal contest. Yeah, And all of a sudden, now you
Speaker 3: get back on the field and it's you. Then they
Speaker 3: the team finds a way to get a little rhythm
Speaker 3: and they're kicking a field gold or it's a touchdown,
Speaker 3: and you know they're running another putting another twelve thirteen
Speaker 3: plays on your defense because you had an opportunity to
Speaker 3: get off the field and you didn't get off.
Speaker 7: And now you've gone from possibly winning the tunnel position
Speaker 7: to that point and now you're suddenly losing town possessions.
Speaker 3: So these offenses will wear you down in the NFL,
Speaker 3: they will, and it takes a toll on you playing
Speaker 3: these games, especially early in the year.
Speaker 8: Yeah, especially, I'm trying to come up with something other
Speaker 8: than what you guys said, and I'm having a hard time.
Speaker 8: But the only other thing that comes to mind, and
Speaker 8: this is not an area that needs to be improved.
Speaker 8: It's just an area that I see. They still have
Speaker 8: a lot more potential to be better at our takeaways.
Speaker 8: Even though last year they got a little bit over
Speaker 8: thirty plus takeaways, there's still so many instances when they
Speaker 8: get so close to the ball and their hands even
Speaker 8: I saw that happening at training camp so much, and
Speaker 8: they're just right there and they could just take it
Speaker 8: to another level. I think that it's just a potential
Speaker 8: is there and they could be even better.
Speaker 3: I think I think you make a really good point
Speaker 3: because to me, look what happened in the San Francisco
Speaker 3: playoff game. The ball that maybe Digs didn't see it
Speaker 3: got knocked through traffic, and you know he's got his
Speaker 3: hands on it, and you're thinking, man, Bro, you've got
Speaker 3: you know, you intercept eleven twelve balls and your ball
Speaker 3: skills are some of the best in the league. You know,
Speaker 3: you get that interception that that's drive over.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm sure that haunted him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know that that's just drive over or
Speaker 3: ball on the ground. It's the you know they tomahawk
Speaker 3: the ball in the in the pocket, it's on the
Speaker 3: ground and some lineman falls on it being opportunistic. I
Speaker 3: think man luck I said that word because I was
Speaker 3: not too sure about it. But but that's that's where
Speaker 3: I think that you. I think that's where you know,
Speaker 3: you talk about the improvement in turnovers if you have
Speaker 3: a chance to get four or five extra being in
Speaker 3: the right place, right time, or just awareness or finish.
Speaker 3: You know, those are things.
Speaker 8: It's not that they've been bad, but they're just so.
Speaker 3: But but the number can be even higher. Yeah, the
Speaker 3: number two at the league, haven't they the last two years?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they've been good. They could have really opportunities.
Speaker 7: I'll add one to to that point, in addition to
Speaker 7: the takeaways, Let's see if we can get you know,
Speaker 7: one or two, maybe even three more defensive touchdowns help
Speaker 7: help your offense out that way, while your offense is
Speaker 7: trying to, you know, find its groove with McCarthy is
Speaker 7: to play caller and Shantenhaimer is the whole.
Speaker 5: See, you're taking it a whole where Also whether that's
Speaker 5: where I wanted to go. I wanted to be a
Speaker 5: whole nother not.
Speaker 7: Because we talked about yesterday, difference between being a great
Speaker 7: defense and special defense. I want them to be a
Speaker 7: special defense, and you know, that's what I'm demanding.
Speaker 6: That reminds me of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers the year
Speaker 6: that they won the Super Bowl. The year before that,
Speaker 6: they had a really good defense, and I think it
Speaker 6: was Gruden that came in there as the head coach
Speaker 6: and what he told the defensive leaders was, I want
Speaker 6: this is what the reports say or some of the
Speaker 6: players have talked about it. He is like, you guys
Speaker 6: got to go from just being a great defense to
Speaker 6: being special, and to be special what you gotta do
Speaker 6: to score. And that defense that year, if you remember back,
Speaker 6: was special because Ronnie Barber, those guys whenever they got
Speaker 6: a chance, they were taking not only when they getting
Speaker 6: the ball, they're getting the ball and taking it back
Speaker 6: and they're scoring.
Speaker 2: And that's what made them such a special defense.
Speaker 3: Well that's how they won the NFC Championship. It was
Speaker 3: Rondee Harber scoring on a you know, put the game
Speaker 3: away for him at the end. So yeah, that's one
Speaker 3: way to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say real quick too.
Speaker 6: Also, I think one of the things that sticks out
Speaker 6: to me for this defense is I think they got
Speaker 6: to win on some of the early downs. They have
Speaker 6: to have the mentality we're going to earn the right
Speaker 6: to rush the passer because I think offense is opposing.
Speaker 6: Offense is going to come into every game saying we're
Speaker 6: going to try everything in us to not put ourselves
Speaker 6: in a situation where they can pass rush because their
Speaker 6: pass rush is Cowboys pass rush is special and and
Speaker 6: so I think they're gonna have to be very focused.
Speaker 6: It's it's about stopping the run, but it really is more,
Speaker 6: in my opinion, about not just stopping the run, but
Speaker 6: winning first and second downs and forcing teams those third
Speaker 6: and long situations that will give them the opportunity of
Speaker 6: the internal loose their their superpower, which is getting after
Speaker 6: the passer, and that's going to get the turnovers because
Speaker 6: you get to the quarterback, you got you know, fumble sacks,
Speaker 6: You've got situations where they're trying to get the all
Speaker 6: out quick and you got a dB that that jumps
Speaker 6: a route and gets a pick. I think that's where
Speaker 6: you really can become special. So if they can win
Speaker 6: on first and second downs, I think that'll be huge.
Speaker 3: I think that comes to what you're talking about as
Speaker 3: well with with tackling. You know, when you when you're
Speaker 3: an elite defense, you have elite tackling. Like like we've
Speaker 3: seen teams are really good defenses that all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: ball is out. It's a completion, but it's a three
Speaker 3: yard game because it's tackled right there, or it's a
Speaker 3: four yard game because it's tackled right there. There's not
Speaker 3: you know, maybe early in the season you the tackling
Speaker 3: is not as good because you haven't you're not as
Speaker 3: used to it. I mean, you know the preseason games
Speaker 3: and all that fine, But to keep an eye on
Speaker 3: when you're watching these games, how many mistackles there are
Speaker 3: in these games. It may be lead to big plays.
Speaker 3: That's the thing that kills uh, these defenses is these
Speaker 3: chunk big plays. You know that they give up.
Speaker 7: We're gonna that the Cowboys are hoping to take advantage
Speaker 7: of against opposition with Dull and Tony Poller, you know,
Speaker 7: Brandon Cooks, these guys in space out.
Speaker 6: We're going to take our first break, will come back.
Speaker 6: We'll get into our scouts notebook. Brian is gonna break
Speaker 6: down the Dallas defense versus the New York Giant offense.
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Speaker 2: I just looked up.
Speaker 6: And saw there's Darren Waller on Good Morning Football. Cal
Speaker 6: was going to get a good look at him this weekend. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's going to be an interesting one in Brian, as
Speaker 6: we get ready to jump into this conversation now. By
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Speaker 2: All right, cool, So Brian, here we go.
Speaker 6: Let's talk about the Dallas defense versus the new York
Speaker 6: Giant offense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an offense that has really remade itself with additions,
Speaker 3: and you know they were able to get in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: A lot of it had to do with I felt
Speaker 3: like the coach came in from week one. If you
Speaker 3: Brian Diebol the coach there. Week one, they go for
Speaker 3: the victory in Tennessee. It kind of set the tone
Speaker 3: for the whole season for them, and especially with what
Speaker 3: they're able to do offensively. Came in he limited the
Speaker 3: number of turnovers that Daniel Jones has. That's really where
Speaker 3: this team is going to focus on, trying to do
Speaker 3: things to keep him on schedule, keep him ahead of
Speaker 3: the chains. He's an outstanding athlete. He's going to run.
Speaker 3: He is going to in the pocket. If you things
Speaker 3: break down, he's going to take off running on you,
Speaker 3: So you have to be careful about that. He's very
Speaker 3: confident in the ways playing. They like to move the
Speaker 3: pocket with him. They liked him to throw on the
Speaker 3: on the move more than they do actually throw within
Speaker 3: the pocket. But the additions that they've made though Isaiah Hodges,
Speaker 3: when you look at Paris Campbell as well, and then
Speaker 3: the addition of Jalen Hyatt, the rookie from Tennessee. What
Speaker 3: they're gonna do is that their starters are likely going
Speaker 3: to be Hodges Slayton Campbell, and then with Shepherd and
Speaker 3: Hyatt also getting opportunities. Wandel Robinson's a little nicked up
Speaker 3: right now. The slot player for them is going to
Speaker 3: be Paris Campbell is who that's gonna be. Hyatt's their
Speaker 3: vertical player. He's the downfield threat you have to worry about.
Speaker 3: But the other guys will all be involved. Hyatt was
Speaker 3: a guy thought initially would be a starter, and but
Speaker 3: no he's not not the first time around, It's gonna
Speaker 3: be Hodges Slayton Campbell again working Paris Campbell out of
Speaker 3: the slot. Also work in Paris Campbell. Much like what
Speaker 3: they do, you know with with Turpin, You're gonna see,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe him in the backfield, Uh, maybe him
Speaker 3: getting those reverses. They're gonna you know, they're gonna try
Speaker 3: a lot of misdirection stuff on you, so you have
Speaker 3: to be very mindful of that. Uh you mentioned Darren Waller.
Speaker 3: The Giants have have had a history of outstanding tight ends.
Speaker 3: You know. It's it's a shame, not a shame. But
Speaker 3: Evan Ingram, it's funny how he goes from the Giants
Speaker 3: to Jacksonville and he's a totally different player. Well, here
Speaker 3: they add Darren Waller to the mix. And Darren Waller
Speaker 3: is a big body guy. You look at him on
Speaker 3: the field, he's physical, he's tough down the field, he
Speaker 3: can extend, he's an athlete. How you take care of
Speaker 3: him will be a big part of this game, will you.
Speaker 3: You know, if you put a smaller guy on him,
Speaker 3: if you think you could put a corner on him,
Speaker 3: it's not going to work. He's just too big. I
Speaker 3: think that maybe the matchup here will be curse uh
Speaker 3: and and that and the fact because you got to
Speaker 3: go with you got to go with length on length
Speaker 3: here and you've got to go with a physical player
Speaker 3: against a physical player. So Darren Waller, you know, there's
Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of boots, the waggles outside the
Speaker 3: pocket throws. Waller is there is his is. Daniel Jones
Speaker 3: is like, you know, throw him the ball like much
Speaker 3: like Dak and Dalton Schultz that kind of that. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's second third down, I'm gonna throw the ball to him.
Speaker 3: He's gonna get seven yards and then he's gonna get
Speaker 3: out of balance or he's gonna get down. He's gonna
Speaker 3: get me a first down. But Waller's that that kind
Speaker 3: of player for them. Barkley running the football. We all
Speaker 3: know about Sakuon Barkley. He's you know, he's his career
Speaker 3: against the Cowboys has not been great. He's you know,
Speaker 3: he's struggled through injuries a lot of times. He's got
Speaker 3: hurt during games. But yeah, they're going to try and
Speaker 3: get him the ball. He could run it inside, he
Speaker 3: could run it outside. They like to throw the ball
Speaker 3: to him, So you got to get ready for the screens. Anything,
Speaker 3: you know, anything can try and control pass rush that
Speaker 3: they're gonna do. They could use Sakuon Barkley just to
Speaker 3: flip him the ball, let him you try to tackle
Speaker 3: him in space, which could be a big, big problem
Speaker 3: for you. On the offensive line, they're playing kind of
Speaker 3: roulette right now. At left guard. They don't know who
Speaker 3: they're left. Their starter is left guard. Brettison and Glewinsky
Speaker 3: are the two guards primarily, but they they rotate a
Speaker 3: lot of different guys. They have a rookie center that's
Speaker 3: a very good athlete, and he's good at handling some
Speaker 3: one on one blocks, but he does have trouble with
Speaker 3: power a little bit. And he's people have got have
Speaker 3: been able to there was when you watched him at
Speaker 3: Minnesota inversity of Minnesota. Uh, he was able to kind
Speaker 3: of like reach when they say reach is like go
Speaker 3: to uh uh you know if a player is wide
Speaker 3: on him to get his body in position where he
Speaker 3: could turn back. He hasn't had as much sustain as
Speaker 3: he has in college, and maybe these NFL tackles are
Speaker 3: giving him a little bit of a problem. So keeping
Speaker 3: keep in mind what's going on inside Roulette at guard
Speaker 3: and then a little bit of a rookie center that's
Speaker 3: problem with his sustain. So maybe the Cowboys can win
Speaker 3: some of those battles. Inside. You clearly want to attack
Speaker 3: Evan Neil the right tackle, and this is where I
Speaker 3: think that this is where uh, DeMarcus Lawrence has had
Speaker 3: some good when he's able to break down guys. Evan
Speaker 3: Neil is a guy that he could break down. He's
Speaker 3: a little bit of a slower guy. And Andrew Thomas
Speaker 3: on the other side, it's one of the best right
Speaker 3: one of the best left tackles. In the league. When
Speaker 3: you start talking about that guy out there in San
Speaker 3: Francisco and others, Andrew Thomas's name will get thrown into
Speaker 3: this mix right here. So they've added some players throughout
Speaker 3: just because they've added some skill with guys like I say,
Speaker 3: uh Hodges and then and then Campbell and Hyatt, and
Speaker 3: then they've also added Waller. With the main stays that
Speaker 3: they've had, they've tried to upgrade the offensive line a
Speaker 3: little bit, but there's some areas that you could definitely
Speaker 3: attack there.
Speaker 7: What I love about that scout and report is all
Speaker 7: of it, but two things, primarily when you talk about
Speaker 7: Jalen Hyatt and his speed and ability to go deep,
Speaker 7: him not being pegged as a starter just yet right
Speaker 7: it's that's going to be huge because I already believe
Speaker 7: that the Cowboys have the personnel to, you know, likely
Speaker 7: delete Jalen Hyatt, particularly as a rookie. He has that
Speaker 7: going on as well. But I love a matchup with Hodgens,
Speaker 7: Slayton Campbell. If that's going to be your top three
Speaker 7: out there, including your slot you're talking about Gilmore, Digs,
Speaker 7: Bland and Jordan Lewis in rotation. Give me the Cowboys
Speaker 7: in that matchup all day long. You gotta love that
Speaker 7: if you're the Cowboys. And then going to Brian's scunner
Speaker 7: report on the defensive or the offensive line, the fact
Speaker 7: that Glewinsky has strength issues and he's going to be
Speaker 7: going up against guys like Jonathan Hankins, Mozzi Smith, Chauncey Ghost,
Speaker 7: and Neville Gallamore. You gotta love that matchup for the Cowboys.
Speaker 7: And then as Brian can a test and anyone who
Speaker 7: watches football can of test, your offensive line is really
Speaker 7: going to be only as good as the interior. Once
Speaker 7: that interior gets blown up, doesn't matter how good your
Speaker 7: tackles are. So Evan Neil, yes, he typically gets handled,
Speaker 7: no other way to put it. By DeMarcus Lawrence. I
Speaker 7: believe that's going to happen. But you got young guys
Speaker 7: who are struggling to kind of hold their anchor inside,
Speaker 7: hold their hands. Jonathan Hankins con feast, Mozzi Smith can feast,
Speaker 7: and you can get pressure on Daniel Jones, which is
Speaker 7: going to help disrupt whatever plays you have for sakuon Barkley,
Speaker 7: which then puts the game on Daniel Jones, who, as
Speaker 7: we said yesterday in lab coat. He just doesn't do
Speaker 7: well under durest. Yes, he can escape, but I also
Speaker 7: went to dig up a little bit, how does Daniel
Speaker 7: Jones perform against dan Quinn when he has to escape
Speaker 7: and he starts to use his legs. Well, fifteen attempts
Speaker 7: in his three games versus dan quinn defense, he's averaging
Speaker 7: only thirty four yards per game on the ground. None
Speaker 7: of those are wins, and he has no rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 7: So blow up the interior of that defense. And then
Speaker 7: you got to love the matchup on the outside receiver
Speaker 7: versus cornerbacks for the Cowboys, and the game just looks
Speaker 7: more and more like it's leaning leaning towards Dallas.
Speaker 6: Yeah, when you look at this offensive line, it's interesting
Speaker 6: because Brian, as you're mentioning, you know, basically it's the
Speaker 6: right side that's from the center to the right, like
Speaker 6: that's where the vulnerability is.
Speaker 2: It's not just one.
Speaker 6: It's kind of like you mentioned all three of those names.
Speaker 6: You mentioned the center, you mentioned, the right guard, you mentioned,
Speaker 6: the right tackle. And when you're playing a defensive front
Speaker 6: like the Cowboys, that certainly I think should present some
Speaker 6: opportunities for them if you've got an entire side of
Speaker 6: your offensive line where there are some questions. Now again
Speaker 6: all these are question marks. You never know how much
Speaker 6: of guy has developed and gotten better since the last
Speaker 6: time you saw him on an NFL filled on a
Speaker 6: regular season game.
Speaker 2: But all that being said, right now.
Speaker 6: It does look like it's it would be something that
Speaker 6: could be exploited by the Gay.
Speaker 3: Yeah. They The thing the Giants are trying to do
Speaker 3: is and a thing you need to like I mentioned
Speaker 3: with Daniel Jones, is they're trying to get the ball
Speaker 3: out faster because they realize that they have the problems
Speaker 3: with you know. So there's there's a lot of there's
Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of movement to this. This this
Speaker 3: they're going to try and confuse you a little bit too.
Speaker 3: The motions, the slot motions, the deep overs, the post things.
Speaker 3: They're going to try and run you down the field.
Speaker 3: And like I say, Paris Campbell is one of those
Speaker 3: guys that he's really big run after catch guy. So
Speaker 3: they're going to try and get him the ball. And
Speaker 3: that's like I said, I'm thinking that maybe they're going
Speaker 3: to try and use him like they use like they
Speaker 3: use Turpid, where they put him in the backfield and
Speaker 3: maybe you'll see him with in the backfield. With they
Speaker 3: send Barkley one way and then here comes Campbell back
Speaker 3: the other you know, get you to kind of commit
Speaker 3: and then run the ball, you know, back the other way.
Speaker 3: So they're going to do everything in their in their
Speaker 3: power not to expose their offensive line.
Speaker 6: Who's the most dangerous of those wide receivers. You got
Speaker 6: Hodgens and Campbell and Slayton.
Speaker 3: I think it's Campbell. Well, okay, you know with Hyatt,
Speaker 3: it's the vertical game, right, so if you know, all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, it's a we're gonna max protect this
Speaker 3: thing and then take a shot, you know. I mean
Speaker 3: there's either catch, interference or incomplete you know, that's kind
Speaker 3: of where things were, and especially if you're in a
Speaker 3: situation I do worry about with with with Hyatt just
Speaker 3: because of his speed. But if you watch them as players,
Speaker 3: Campbell is the one that they they they like. I said,
Speaker 3: they want to use him in various roles where it's
Speaker 3: get him the ball and let him run, you know,
Speaker 3: let him play in space.
Speaker 2: Does match up there?
Speaker 3: That's the thing with Bland. You know. The thing with
Speaker 3: Bland is he's so physical inside, you know, and Bland
Speaker 3: is not afraid when they run him through things. He's
Speaker 3: able to navigate. So Bland's a good tackler too. So
Speaker 3: if Campbell gets the ball, that's what's going to be.
Speaker 3: It's like ball to him. They're going to try and
Speaker 3: run him, ball to him, tackle him right there. Don't
Speaker 3: let a four yard game be a twenty six yard game. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let it, you know, so I would say that Bland,
Speaker 3: you know, but he planned. I don't know about you guys.
Speaker 3: I felt like Blam had a really quiet camp this year.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if it was because they were
Speaker 3: trying to have Joseph play somewhat slot that they were
Speaker 3: trying to get a look there and they put they
Speaker 3: put Bland on the outside to kind of so maybe
Speaker 3: he wasn't always totally involved in everything.
Speaker 2: Let me just clarify.
Speaker 6: When you say a quiet camp, are you meaning he
Speaker 6: wasn't really making plays or you mean he was getting
Speaker 6: beat No?
Speaker 3: No, no quiet, just he wasn't the plays. You know,
Speaker 3: usually with him, it's like knockdown pass, right down pass.
Speaker 3: You know, there were guys out there that you were
Speaker 3: seeing in practice that were knocking you know that. But
Speaker 3: the thing about. Like I said, I love Bland. I
Speaker 3: think there's a lot of guys out on the West coast.
Speaker 3: He goes to Fresno, and there's a lot of those
Speaker 3: Pac twelve coaches that are going, why did we what
Speaker 3: do we? How do we miss this guy? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean the way he plays and all that.
Speaker 8: I think he had a he still had a solid
Speaker 8: camp with It wasn't like flashy, yeah you know, it wasn't.
Speaker 8: He wasn't making headlines or anything, but he was pretty solid.
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, I do. Like I said, I do
Speaker 3: believe it's because of where they played him. I think
Speaker 3: on the outside where he plays. When he plays inside,
Speaker 3: usually that's where the ball. You know, the offense is
Speaker 3: focused on getting the ball to their slot a lot
Speaker 3: because it's just you have the whole field to cover,
Speaker 3: and he can clearly cover the whole field.
Speaker 7: I think it was a combination of what both of
Speaker 7: you guys were saying. Number One, he it wasn't as flashy,
Speaker 7: but you could say that contextually because it was Trevon
Speaker 7: Diggs's camp as far as the cornerback is concerned, and
Speaker 7: Stefan Gilmore's camp as far as the cornerback is concerning
Speaker 7: that's where all eyes typically were Stefan or was Treyvon?
Speaker 5: Where's Tree? Where's Steffan?
Speaker 7: But and and to you know Brian's point, because they
Speaker 7: were trying to get the Cowboys were trying to get
Speaker 7: Kelvin Joseph so many reps in the slot. You did
Speaker 7: see Deron Bland doing a lot of outside work, so
Speaker 7: there was a little bit of a curve there for
Speaker 7: him to adjust playing on the outside. But he made
Speaker 7: his fair share of plays as well, pass break up
Speaker 7: as couple of interceptions. So definitely, you know, looking to
Speaker 7: take that next step. I've seen that he's ready to
Speaker 7: take the next step and he's going to fall back
Speaker 7: into the nickel road now you know now that we're
Speaker 7: into the regular season and that's where he thrives, and
Speaker 7: that's what he thrived last year and led the team
Speaker 7: in interceptions. So he can definitely, and like Bryan satt
Speaker 7: in one agree, he is arguably the most physical cornerback
Speaker 7: that you have on the team right now. I mean
Speaker 7: he loves he doesn't it's just not he It's just
Speaker 7: not Deron not shine away from contact at the line
Speaker 7: of scrimmage. He wants to put his hands on that
Speaker 7: receiver disrupt the route at the line of scrimmage. So
Speaker 7: if you can disrupt, you know, a guy like Campbell's
Speaker 7: route right, mess up his timing, that's goal number one,
Speaker 7: goal number two. If you fail on goal number one,
Speaker 7: like he said, delete the yak. If you delete the yak,
Speaker 7: you more or less started to neutralize one of their
Speaker 7: bigger playmakers after the kid' you see how.
Speaker 3: Lewis fits in the game plan this way too, you know,
Speaker 3: because if things if you know things, sir, you know
Speaker 3: that's the great thing. If something goes where you have
Speaker 3: to where it's an injury or somebody's not playing well,
Speaker 3: a couple of snaps, you you can put Lewis in
Speaker 3: the game and kind of work around that in the slot.
Speaker 6: And Giants made unfortunate too that if they're gonna bring
Speaker 6: all four of those receivers on the field and get
Speaker 6: into a dime type.
Speaker 2: Of situation, maybe it creates that opportunity.
Speaker 7: And I'll tell you what I talked to Jordan yesterday
Speaker 7: in the locker room, and like I said, he not
Speaker 7: only said they're throwing him into the fire, which were
Speaker 7: his words I asked him, I said, is there any soreness.
Speaker 7: How do you feel physically and he was like, no soreness.
Speaker 7: I feel great. I said, okay, so how do you
Speaker 7: feel mentally? Because he said a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 7: it's about feeling football again. I said, now you're lining
Speaker 7: up against guys and these are the best guys in
Speaker 7: the league. Cooks lamb and he said, the muscle memory
Speaker 7: is starting to come back, the confidence is quickly regaining itself.
Speaker 7: And hear that dog is starting to return. And I said,
Speaker 7: so the trash talking and he was like, oh, it's
Speaker 7: it's back. Okay, Joey Lewis is talking trash again, ladies
Speaker 7: and gentlemen. So yeah, that's good sign.
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Speaker 8: At the start, I am not hungover. Okay, I barely.
Speaker 8: I don't even drink alcohol. Okay, I don't know. I
Speaker 8: just you know, we hear okay, okay, so good alcohol
Speaker 8: is not good for you.
Speaker 5: It's not.
Speaker 3: It's not until it is especially shaggy. It wasn't mean
Speaker 3: it all right.
Speaker 8: I did have something to say though. When you were
Speaker 8: talking about the pass rushers for the Cowboys going up
Speaker 8: against them, something came to mind. And the early mention
Speaker 8: of penalties and getting flags and all that, I started thinking, like, man,
Speaker 8: I think I do think this is a game where
Speaker 8: the pass rushers can be pretty successful going up against
Speaker 8: the Giants. But it came to mind, can this be
Speaker 8: a game where now they start getting penalties because they're
Speaker 8: going going back to training? Cam Let me just pick
Speaker 8: in the picture. You know you can't freaking tackle Dac.
Speaker 8: You can't hit the quarterback or anything, so you're restraining yourself.
Speaker 8: You get into the first week of the season. These
Speaker 8: are very talented guys that we have on defense rushing
Speaker 8: the pass right now, They're going full out, going out,
Speaker 8: going at it with all their power. And now with
Speaker 8: the NFL rules, every time like, oh, gotta don't even
Speaker 8: look at the quarterback too much because that's a flag
Speaker 8: right there. So you just, I don't know, maybe it's
Speaker 8: just me that I'm painting this whole picture of like
Speaker 8: our guys just freaking attacking them and then a ref
Speaker 8: just throwing a flag every time because you hurt touched
Speaker 8: the quarterback a little bit.
Speaker 7: Well, you just gotta know how to maintain yourself discipline,
Speaker 7: know how to you know, play through the play without
Speaker 7: giving that extra that puts you in position where you
Speaker 7: can be targeted by the by the officials and getting
Speaker 7: those flags thrown. So yeah, I mean, these guys are
Speaker 7: ready to go out here and really hit and really
Speaker 7: knock some guys around.
Speaker 5: But it's been a while.
Speaker 7: It's been a while, but I will say, I mean
Speaker 7: when you talk about guys like Michael Parsons, de Marcus Lawrence,
Speaker 7: I mean these are not guys that are typically penalized heavily.
Speaker 7: So when you look at it from that aspect, I
Speaker 7: know Sam Williams is trying to, you know, kind of
Speaker 7: rein that in. But outside of Sam Williams working to
Speaker 7: ring that in, the Cowboys pass rush isn't notorious for
Speaker 7: getting those roughing the passer penalties and those unsportsmen like that.
Speaker 8: But even like mike'll last I think it might have
Speaker 8: been last year maybe, I mean, but I remember knowing
Speaker 8: there's always like some are there have been those situations
Speaker 8: where he's like, are you freaking kidding me? And he
Speaker 8: still gets a fun but it's these are veteran guys.
Speaker 8: I get it, and you know they know what to
Speaker 8: do and how to do it and all that, but
Speaker 8: still those are some things that sometimes are out of
Speaker 8: your country.
Speaker 3: The official this week in the game is Adrian Hill,
Speaker 3: and I need to go and look at Adrian Hill's
Speaker 3: background as far as what we saw last year with
Speaker 3: well he does he protect quarterbacks? Does he let the
Speaker 3: game go? Does his team? Does his crew call a
Speaker 3: lot of roughing penalties? Do they call holding penalties and
Speaker 3: stuff like that? I need to figure that out. But uh,
Speaker 3: like I said, it's it's it's a different official from
Speaker 3: what you think for a nationally televised game, usually you'll
Speaker 3: catch a Sean Hockley or somebody like that. But Adrian
Speaker 3: Hill is going to get an opportunity to and so
Speaker 3: we need to study him and maybe Friday tomorrow I'll
Speaker 3: have a better idea where that penalty group will go
Speaker 3: with that this crew.
Speaker 2: Real quick before we end the show. This is one
Speaker 2: question I want to throw to you. Guys.
Speaker 6: We asked a similar question yesterday. Why had you rank
Speaker 6: offensive players from least to most important for this week's win.
Speaker 6: I want to do the same thing for the defense,
Speaker 6: and I have four players I'm gonna throw to you.
Speaker 6: I did not purposefully include Michael Parsons, yeah, because I
Speaker 6: think that would easily be the top player for all
Speaker 6: of us. But going from least to most integral to
Speaker 6: the Cowboys defense being successful this weekend, rank these four
Speaker 6: DeMarcus Lawrence, Jonathan Hankins, Leyton Vander ash Stefan Gilmore.
Speaker 5: I'm going to go with. Let me make sure I
Speaker 5: got it right.
Speaker 7: So Lawrence Hankins and LV Gilmore Gilmore, that's a good one.
Speaker 7: Let me get lv E as as my top I'm
Speaker 7: gonna go l V E. Hankins, God you're good at this,
Speaker 7: l V. E. Hankins, and let's say tanking then Gilmore
Speaker 7: reasoning being LV, when you talk about trying to stop
Speaker 7: Sakuon Barkley, you better have linebackers that can cover.
Speaker 5: Sideline, the sideline, that bottom line period.
Speaker 7: You don't really need much more explanation than that, because
Speaker 7: if LVE and DeMont Clark, if they can cover sideline
Speaker 7: the sideline and keep Saquon Barkley at or behind the
Speaker 7: line of scrimmage to let the other dogs eat, then
Speaker 7: that's that's a huge win because again that puts the
Speaker 7: game on Daniel Jones, and then that allows Gilmore digs
Speaker 7: the secondary to do what they do, but keeping with
Speaker 7: Saquon Barkley, because again, for me, that's the number one
Speaker 7: threat Hankins, that interior run defense. Right if if Brian
Speaker 7: Dabo determines that he's not having success in the flats
Speaker 7: and sideline the sideline beating the Cowboys off the age,
Speaker 7: because LVE has stepped up and he's really playing that
Speaker 7: game and he's going to try to run Saquan up
Speaker 7: the A and the B gap. Okay, Will Hankins, if
Speaker 7: you have a phenomenal game that deletes that as well,
Speaker 7: goes to Mazzie Smith as well, and anyone else that
Speaker 7: lines up at that one tech role. Then it goes
Speaker 7: to Tank. Now we're talking about the pass rush. Now
Speaker 7: that we've eliminated hopefully Sakwon Barkley with your linebackers in
Speaker 7: your interior run defense. Now you get the tee off
Speaker 7: on the edges, DeMarcus Lawrence because we can't talk about
Speaker 7: Michael Parsons. Derek said, we can't. So the edge, you
Speaker 7: got Tank teeing off against Evan Neil. He's already shown
Speaker 7: he can dismantle that guy. He gets in the backfield,
Speaker 7: makes a long day for Daniel Jones. And then when
Speaker 7: Daniel Jones, if he's not taken to the ground, if
Speaker 7: he does escape and he's keeping his eyes downfield, he
Speaker 7: wants to make a play downfield. Now he has to
Speaker 7: go up against Diggs Gilmour at that combo, Deron Bland,
Speaker 7: Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 5: So that's how my rankings shakes out. And damn, you're
Speaker 5: really good at this.
Speaker 3: So I like that it's smooth dand rush Gilmore Hankins
Speaker 3: Lawrence for me, why that, because I feel like, though
Speaker 3: you're I think Patrick's right about Lbe. He has to
Speaker 3: find a way to play sideline the sidelines in this
Speaker 3: in this game, you know, and I think Gilmore on
Speaker 3: the outside. We'll see if they want to attack. If
Speaker 3: they don't go at Diggs, who will they go at
Speaker 3: these receivers. They feel like that they can make some
Speaker 3: place down the field. I feel like you've got to
Speaker 3: be able to cover that way. Hankins is a guy,
Speaker 3: like I say, that could clog up things going inside,
Speaker 3: you know, and help also LV with the running game.
Speaker 3: To me, it's as much as I love Lawrence on
Speaker 3: the edge rush and I think there's other options to
Speaker 3: rush as well. So I'm going to put the rush.
Speaker 3: I think the rush is going to fall on some
Speaker 3: other guys the run stopping and to fall on Hankins
Speaker 3: and Lve and but most importantly they're going to need
Speaker 3: to cover. I think the Giants are going to try
Speaker 3: and throw the football in this game, and even though
Speaker 3: the Cowboys pass rush is good, so I think that's
Speaker 3: on Gilmour to make some coverage.
Speaker 8: I think a lot of these they're very interchangeable. But
Speaker 8: if I had to look at of one specific guy,
Speaker 8: and I agree with you guys as far as everything
Speaker 8: you've said about Layton just because you look at everybodybody
Speaker 8: else and you feel like, imagine if one single player
Speaker 8: was out I think the one area because of the
Speaker 8: lack of death behind it, it would have to be Leyton,
Speaker 8: vander Esh and everybody else. You still have talent, and
Speaker 8: I mean Gilmore you need him, but I think if
Speaker 8: you're taking up care of business up front, that should
Speaker 8: help for what's happening with the defensive backs. So but yeah,
Speaker 8: everything you guys said retweet repost.
Speaker 6: I'm sure kind of interested that you guys didn't put
Speaker 6: Hankins first. And the reason why I would have put
Speaker 6: Hankins first is similar what you guys are saying with
Speaker 6: regards to the run defense. Yes, I need Leyden Vandersh
Speaker 6: to cover the field sideline the sideline. I think that's
Speaker 6: infinitely easier when you got a defensive tackle that keeps
Speaker 6: that those offensive linemen off of you to allow you
Speaker 6: to run sideline the sideline. So I think Leydon vander
Speaker 6: Esh's ability to play this game really well will depend
Speaker 6: on how much can Steve defensive front keep those guys
Speaker 6: from getting to the second level.
Speaker 3: The Marcus Lawrence's game as a run defender might be
Speaker 3: more important than that's because if you get Hankins, if
Speaker 3: you get Hankins going holding blocks and especially against the
Speaker 3: inside guys that are having problems blocking him, I think
Speaker 3: that's a that's a good matchup for the Cowboys vander
Speaker 3: esh on the run if and then you've got Lords
Speaker 3: playing on the run too, you know, And and I
Speaker 3: think that the Giants are going to try and run
Speaker 3: the ball on the edges. I think the end point
Speaker 3: you know, they're going to make, They're going to see
Speaker 3: who is going to play right defensive end. There's gonna
Speaker 3: be a lot of left handed runs for the Giants.
Speaker 3: They're going to test whoever your right end is. And
Speaker 3: they're going to see where, in fact, where Diggs is
Speaker 3: as far as how physical he wants to play in
Speaker 3: this game. People have had some success running the ball
Speaker 3: to the Cowboys right and the offenses left, so we'll
Speaker 3: see how that'll holds up.
Speaker 7: Also, my thought process, and that's why I had Hankins
Speaker 7: as my number two behind LV and it's because I'm
Speaker 7: confident in feeling that the bow is going to try
Speaker 7: to run Barkley off the edges and put him in
Speaker 7: space out in the flats first. That's he's going to
Speaker 7: test the linebackers early to see if they can cover
Speaker 7: in space.
Speaker 3: Their ability to.
Speaker 6: Do that is going to be also about can those
Speaker 6: defensive tackles keep them off the second level. What we
Speaker 6: know about Leyden vander Esh is Laydon vander Esh will
Speaker 6: play really great football if he's not always having one
Speaker 6: of those offensive linemen on him.
Speaker 3: Dallas Dallas should win inside, Yeah, Dallas should win inside him.
Speaker 6: Become much better linebackers. By the way, you can probably
Speaker 6: go across the entire league. Linebackers are better linebackers when
Speaker 6: they don't have offensive linemen in their face. So if
Speaker 6: you got a better defensive tackle in front of you,
Speaker 6: you're going to be better as a linebacker.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 7: I think it's just the thought process of opportunities, right,
Speaker 7: Who's going to be attacked early and more often? And
Speaker 7: I think that based on their scheme, the New York
Speaker 7: Giants scheme, they're going to attack the linebackers early and
Speaker 7: more often. Then they would give Hankins an opportunity to
Speaker 7: be dominant in the game early. So that's why I
Speaker 7: have lve over Hankins because obviously both are important for
Speaker 7: those reasons. But my scale slides more towards the linebacker
Speaker 7: simply because I feel like before they test Hankins, they're
Speaker 7: going to test the linebackers and lv E and they're
Speaker 7: gonna do that more frequently before they If lv E
Speaker 7: can you know, continue to play well, then they'll say, Okay,
Speaker 7: well we're not really winning on these edges. Let's at
Speaker 7: least try the inside. And that's when they run up again.
Speaker 3: If you listed Curse, I would have put him second
Speaker 3: because of what Waller is gonna do.
Speaker 2: I agree with you on that.
Speaker 6: After as I was reading the question, I thought to myself,
Speaker 6: I should have thrown because Curse would have been even better.
Speaker 2: Because I agree with you.
Speaker 10: I may.
Speaker 2: If I would have had him in there, but that
Speaker 2: was my miss. All Right, we apprecid. You guys join us.
Speaker 6: We'll be back tomorrow. We'll wrap this whole thing up.
Speaker 6: Let you guys know what wething's gonna happen this weekend.
Speaker 3: Until then.
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