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Speaker 2: And we can get into the nepotism discussion at some
Speaker 2: point this hour, because I do think that sometimes, you know,
Speaker 2: nepotism is obviously a derogatory term, but there is there
Speaker 2: is something too, Dan, the fact that, for example, I
Speaker 2: didn't get my job at Green Bay because of nepotism,
Speaker 2: but I grew up in a household. My dad was
Speaker 2: a coach, my brother became a coach, like basketball is
Speaker 2: kind of what we do, and so I just, you know,
Speaker 2: we look at this in some sort of like nefarious
Speaker 2: connotation that you grew up in the family business. Kyle
Speaker 2: Shanahan's dad even work right away for his dad. But
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan's a dude that's turned out to be pretty good,
Speaker 2: you know, pretty good at his job, and kind of
Speaker 2: we could go through it. Does it's not necessarily a
Speaker 2: prerequisite for everybody, but doesn't hurt you know.
Speaker 3: It's funny you did say earlier in the show, you
Speaker 3: were talking about how embarrassing some people were in trying
Speaker 3: to justify it. Even though I don't agree with the
Speaker 3: people who say that it's okay it's nepotism, it's fine.
Speaker 3: I don't think the Lakers should have drafted Bronnie James,
Speaker 3: but nonither here nor there. I at least respect them
Speaker 3: being honest with the decision. It's the people who are
Speaker 3: trying to convince us that there is a basketball reason
Speaker 3: on why Bronnie James went number fifty five, which is
Speaker 3: what you touched on earlier. But for those that are
Speaker 3: saying like, yeah, it's nepotism, it happens all the time.
Speaker 3: This doesn't bother me. I actually can respect that a
Speaker 3: whole lot more of the people trying to convince me
Speaker 3: why this is a great move for the Lakers on
Speaker 3: the court.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, look, there is something too and we
Speaker 2: always you know, like harken back to the you know,
Speaker 2: Tommy Boy is a movie, and I can tell you
Speaker 2: that in basketball, when you're the coach's son, it's usually
Speaker 2: a lot more difficult. You know, you're held to a
Speaker 2: higher standard. That's just the reality of it. When you're
Speaker 2: a star player's son. Yeah, I mean, doors get open
Speaker 2: for you. But I do think that people can judge
Speaker 2: you more harshly as well. This one, though, is just
Speaker 2: it's a weird one because everyone seems to be scared
Speaker 2: to tell lebron James the truth. You know, I mean
Speaker 2: Paul George comparing him to Drew Holiday. How they both
Speaker 2: played in the same league in high school, and I
Speaker 2: guess they're both you know mc donald's all Americans, But
Speaker 2: I mean, Drew Holiday is one of the best high
Speaker 2: school prospects I've ever evaluated ever. They just dominated the
Speaker 2: game in a way I both ends with grace and
Speaker 2: skill and intelligence. And like Bronnie James is a nice player.
Speaker 2: I didn't see one high school game that he dominated,
Speaker 2: And there wasn't a high school game that I didn't
Speaker 2: see Drew Holiday dominate. Their impact at their schools, and
Speaker 2: I know Drew came off the bench because Darren Collison State,
Speaker 2: but like it, comparing the two of them is offensive.
Speaker 2: But the only reason that that I think a Paul
Speaker 2: George would do that is because you're trying to find
Speaker 2: a guy who, you know, the best things he does
Speaker 2: you can't quantify with stats. You know, you're like, well,
Speaker 2: his defense is great, and he's his defense is better
Speaker 2: than his offense. It's a little bit like saying it's
Speaker 2: her personality, right, but like, let's let's not let's not
Speaker 2: compare it with.
Speaker 3: You a holiday.
Speaker 2: Let's just not do that that that makes you sound
Speaker 2: like you've never seen either play at the same age
Speaker 2: they are. They're both African American, they both played in
Speaker 2: the Mission League, and I guess they're both technically McDonald's
Speaker 2: all Americans. That's where it ends. That's where it ends.
Speaker 2: I saw this story and I just I want to
Speaker 2: have a discussion about it because this is Dan Patrick
Speaker 2: Show on Fox Sports Tradio. For people don't listen to
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio outside of Dan, which I understand. Dan's
Speaker 2: a legend. I grow I've listened to him. I've worked
Speaker 2: with him at two different networks now obviously, But if
Speaker 2: you don't, my afternoon show's called The Doug Gottlieb Show
Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio from three to five Easter and
Speaker 2: we also have an our podcast. Dan Bayer is alongside
Speaker 2: today and of course he's part of my show as well,
Speaker 2: and then he has his own show on Sundays right
Speaker 2: here on Fox Sports Radio. And I bring that up
Speaker 2: because do you do you buy the Sunday ticket when
Speaker 2: you have, you know, all the games in front of
Speaker 2: you at work, or do you not buy it to
Speaker 2: save the money. Then it's coming to work IM.
Speaker 3: Watch home, so I had previously bought it and then
Speaker 3: even during COVID had it at home, and before I
Speaker 3: was doing the Sunday show, I had it. But once
Speaker 3: I've you know, been now in the studio here and
Speaker 3: COVID's over with, I have not subscribed the last year
Speaker 3: or so.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've been a Sunday Ticket subscriber for the last
Speaker 2: I would say probably, I mean twenty years. And I
Speaker 2: don't know how many people know this, do you do?
Speaker 2: You guys know, do we have this discussion on where
Speaker 2: who invented like Sunday Ticket, like where it all came from?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. Really, yeah, it doesn't.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 2: Eric Shanks, okay, who's the CEO and executive broducer of
Speaker 2: Fox Sports. He he was in Europe and they took
Speaker 2: him to this place and they basically had a hub
Speaker 2: and I don't remember well recall what it was called,
Speaker 2: but they had a Sunday ticket like for international soccer,
Speaker 2: and it was a room when you walked in and
Speaker 2: there's like, you know, eight different matches going on, and
Speaker 2: you had the broadcast and they're literally headphones on they're
Speaker 2: calling the matches off their TV and they pap a
Speaker 2: guy on the shoulder and they would throw to his
Speaker 2: game and then he'd you know, he'd take it to
Speaker 2: you know, what was going on with Liverpool, you know,
Speaker 2: and they're on the pitch right, and then let's slow
Speaker 2: this to Real Madrid and now, thank you about much ahead.
Speaker 2: Real Madrid's it right. So that's how it. That's so
Speaker 2: he took the model. He brought it back to the States.
Speaker 2: I believe he worked for Direct TV at the time,
Speaker 2: and they created the red Zone.
Speaker 3: Oh, the red Zone. Okay, I got ya. I'm thought
Speaker 3: you meant the whole package of just airing the games,
Speaker 3: but our red zone was developed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just the idea of just the idea of throwing
Speaker 2: from game to game to game. Because I okay, I
Speaker 2: mean you had it for a long time. What percentage
Speaker 2: of times did you watch red Zone? Which percentage of
Speaker 2: time did you just stick with one game?
Speaker 3: I am I am the rarity where I was not
Speaker 3: a red zone watcher. Whether it was our buddy Andrews
Speaker 3: Ciciliano or if it was Scott Hansen, I was not
Speaker 3: a red zone guy. I was watching the games and
Speaker 3: going back and forth or even maybe at times watching
Speaker 3: the mixed channel with all the games on at the
Speaker 3: same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jason Stewart, are you a mixed guy or you
Speaker 2: were you a red zone guy or an individual individual guy?
Speaker 5: I think I got the DirecTV Sunday ticket once in
Speaker 5: my entire career once, and then I realized I'm not
Speaker 5: watching a tiny percentage of these games. Red Zone consumes
Speaker 5: my Sundays and it has for many years. That's all
Speaker 5: I do for the ten o'clock Pacific time games and
Speaker 5: the one o'clock Pacific time dames is basically all red
Speaker 5: Zone and a lot of that is because of Fantasy, right.
Speaker 5: I mean, we all have to do work on Sundays
Speaker 5: and pay attention, but Fantasy the best way to follow
Speaker 5: your team is on the red zone.
Speaker 2: So a jury in Los Angeles, the US District Court
Speaker 2: ordered the NFL to pay more than four point seven
Speaker 2: billion dollars in damages Thursday, after ruling that the league
Speaker 2: violated antitrust laws in distributing out of market Sunday afternoon
Speaker 2: games on a premium subscription service. The jury awarded four
Speaker 2: point seven billion in damages to the residential class and
Speaker 2: ninety six million in damages to the commercial class. Since
Speaker 2: damages can be tripled under federal an trust laws. The
Speaker 2: NFL could end up being liable for fourteen point thirty
Speaker 2: nine billion dollars. Now, the lawsuit covered two point four
Speaker 2: million residential subscribers. That's amazing that only two point four
Speaker 2: million people on average. Hat it. I feel like I
Speaker 2: thought everybody had red zone and forty eight thousand businesses
Speaker 2: in the United States who paid for the package of
Speaker 2: out of market games for the two from the twenty
Speaker 2: eleven through the twenty twenty two seasons on direct TV.
Speaker 2: The laws who claimed the league broke anti trust laws
Speaker 2: by selling its packages of Sunday games at an inflated prices.
Speaker 2: Subscribers or subscribers also say the league restricted competition by
Speaker 2: offering Sunday ticket only on a satellite provider. The NFL
Speaker 2: office is going to fight it now here. Here's my question, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't understand this at all, and we need to
Speaker 2: get we need to get I have a bunch of
Speaker 2: lawyer friends. I'm gonna call them. I don't understand. Like,
Speaker 2: if you don't want the package and it's too expensive,
Speaker 2: well don't buy the package. Do you violate anti trust
Speaker 2: laws if you drive up the price of your your
Speaker 2: tickets at your stadium or parking at your stadium. Like
Speaker 2: I'm I've never really heard like it is a free
Speaker 2: market society. And oh yeah, by the way, the reason
Speaker 2: that they restricted the petition was they paid a ton
Speaker 2: of money in order to broadcast the Sunday ticket and
Speaker 2: so to make up for that money spent, and then
Speaker 2: to make money to keep the lights on, you had
Speaker 2: to charge absorbent fees for it. And oh yeah, by
Speaker 2: the way, the other truth to it is and I
Speaker 2: don't even know, like last year was expensive. I didn't
Speaker 2: watch it nearly as much as I wanted to on
Speaker 2: on YouTube TV. But you can watch it obviously in
Speaker 2: your phone, so much easier. It's still a bargain.
Speaker 3: Right, is it?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: I don't know if it is.
Speaker 2: I okay, Like, listen, we grew up. You grew up
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin. So on a Sunday when you're a kid,
Speaker 2: what games were on?
Speaker 3: Well, the Packers were on, they stopped.
Speaker 2: The Packers went, and the Packers were bad. What if
Speaker 2: there's another NFC game you want to watch, couldn't watch
Speaker 2: it right at the same time?
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 2: Okay, so you were blocked in by your local So
Speaker 2: this allowed you to watch anybody anywhere at any time.
Speaker 2: And then oh yeah, by the way, like if you
Speaker 2: compare that to what it would cost to go watch
Speaker 2: a game, you know, or what it would cost to
Speaker 2: have multiple satellites or you know, you can't watch multiple chants, Like,
Speaker 2: it's not that much money, truly, isn't.
Speaker 3: I understand what you're saying in terms of if you
Speaker 3: want it, you'll pay enough for it. The two problems
Speaker 3: that I see are Number One, the NFL in their
Speaker 3: argument was they were also protecting CBS and Fox that
Speaker 3: they wanted more people to go to their broadcast, especially
Speaker 3: in the late window. I would say that's where they
Speaker 3: get their biggest clears. Usually that's where you'll see, you know,
Speaker 3: the Cowboys and forty nine Ers and the Chiefs and
Speaker 3: Bengals playing in those four to twenty five Eastern Time
Speaker 3: kickoff games. They wanted to maximize that. But did it
Speaker 3: really cost three hundred and fifty dollars to put this
Speaker 3: all on? Could you have given your fans the opportunity
Speaker 3: for two hundred was two hundred two low that you
Speaker 3: thought that maybe then they wouldn't take in. I don't
Speaker 3: think that it was in Goodell's argument of saying, the
Speaker 3: fans want more football, this is why we went to
Speaker 3: a seventeenth game. The fans want more football. Well, apparently
Speaker 3: you're not willing to give it to them unless they
Speaker 3: pay this crazy amount of money to see all of
Speaker 3: these games. So he's talking on on one side of
Speaker 3: his mouth and saying this is why we should expand
Speaker 3: for more money, and then on the other side of
Speaker 3: his mouth we're saying, well, then we're going to charge
Speaker 3: so much, so if fans really want to watch more football,
Speaker 3: they're going to have to pay this much. To me,
Speaker 3: it's mixed messaging on that point and just not taking
Speaker 3: care of your of your really your main product, and
Speaker 3: that's your fan base that has made every single football
Speaker 3: episode a top fifty program for how many years?
Speaker 2: Okay, so there's a little contradiction in what you're saying. Right,
Speaker 2: they wanted to protect Network TV and they succeeded in
Speaker 2: doing so. Meanwhile, they did charge you an arm and
Speaker 2: a leg for those of us who are football fanatics
Speaker 2: who want to watch all the games, and they made
Speaker 2: money with that. And by the way, just so you're
Speaker 2: just so aware, I mean, like, look, some of this
Speaker 2: comes down to the NFL charged such a high a
Speaker 2: dollar amount for the broadcast rights of Red Zone and
Speaker 2: Sunday Ticket. Okay that it really bled bled at and
Speaker 2: t dry, right. I mean it's one of the reasons
Speaker 2: they let the package go and it went to YouTube
Speaker 2: was it was just too expensive. But it all worked,
Speaker 2: like everybody's making money. The stadiums are full, people watch TV.
Speaker 2: I don't understand it all worked. And if people don't
Speaker 2: want to pay it, then don't pay it. You still
Speaker 2: got your free TV. I don't understand how you can
Speaker 2: get something which is an extra benefit and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's too expensive. Like no, I mean, look do I
Speaker 2: this is? This is? Can we go through Chipotle and
Speaker 2: all these other places that charge absorbinent fees for an
Speaker 2: avocado for avocado? Right? If you don't want avocado, don't
Speaker 2: get avocado. You know avocado is extra. Did you know
Speaker 2: how Vocado's extra of I know avocado?
Speaker 3: Nobod I could also go to the store and buy
Speaker 3: avocados until.
Speaker 2: You get I remember you no, no, no, no, you go
Speaker 2: home and watch You can watch the NFL. You just
Speaker 2: can't watch the game that you select. There's no world
Speaker 2: in which you can't watch with rabbit years. If you
Speaker 2: still have rabbit eears, you can still watch the NFL.
Speaker 2: It's the exact same thing. I mean, Look, it doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense to me that oat milk I get
Speaker 2: oat milk in my coffee. Oat milk should is cost
Speaker 2: the exact same amount, if not, in some places, less
Speaker 2: than dairy. I work for the state of Wisconsin. The
Speaker 2: should mention that I do that might have been that
Speaker 2: might have been a colossal mistake. I do love cheese. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love cheese. I just oh man, I just, I mean,
Speaker 2: I haven't coached the game yet. I just I just
Speaker 2: took an ol. Anyway, The point is like, okay, so
Speaker 2: this doesn't make sense to me, right that if I
Speaker 2: get If I go get coffee at any local coffe
Speaker 2: place and I get oat milk, somehow, it's more expect
Speaker 2: when oat milk costs the exact same amount as dairy,
Speaker 2: the exact same, in many ways less money than dry.
Speaker 2: Why am I paying? But I gook, that's the choice
Speaker 2: I make. I can still have coffee, I can still
Speaker 2: have milk in it, or I can have oat milk
Speaker 2: in my house and pour it in. But if I
Speaker 2: want to pay the seventy five cents extra. You gotta
Speaker 2: put a little oat milk in so I you know,
Speaker 2: you can still watch. No one stopped you from watching
Speaker 2: NFL football. This was a special package for those of
Speaker 2: us who are insane football fans who have multiple fantasy
Speaker 2: football teams, as as Jason Stewart talked about, who want
Speaker 2: to watch an out of the market game, who want
Speaker 2: to watch you know, the the rare you know, the
Speaker 2: rare Charger fan who wanted to watch the Chargers like
Speaker 2: me when you're living, you know, in New England, which
Speaker 2: I did at the time, So I'm watching like every
Speaker 2: Charger game. Okay, So you gotta pay a little extra,
Speaker 2: And if you don't want to pay extra, then you
Speaker 2: don't pay extra. If it gets too expensive, then don't
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: But if ESPN is saying seventy bucks versus three hundred,
Speaker 3: and that is I mean, that's that's not just a
Speaker 3: little bit more. It almost feels like it's the medication thing, right,
Speaker 3: Like I mean, if you need your diabetes medicine, Like
Speaker 3: you could charge whatever for insulin, but it's kind to
Speaker 3: be at some point be affordable, right, I mean, like
Speaker 3: that's that's what it feels like the NFL is taking
Speaker 3: I got, I got it.
Speaker 2: It is and it isn't like seventeen weeks at three
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty bucks. Like you can't. You're not gonna
Speaker 2: pay twenty bucks a week to watch every every NFL game.
Speaker 2: You don't have to get off your couch, you don't
Speaker 2: have to go to a stadium, you know. Like they
Speaker 2: also have to protect the people coming into the games.
Speaker 2: May get special for people to come into games. That's
Speaker 2: the one thing about how easy the ease of use.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the what what's the reason that I
Speaker 2: don't like going to NFL games? I mean I last
Speaker 2: couple of years, I go to Charger games. I always
Speaker 2: go to Sunday night and Monday night games, specifically, I
Speaker 2: never go to the four o'clock starts. Why because then
Speaker 2: you can't watch any other games. You miss everything. So
Speaker 2: you have to kind of protect the games as well.
Speaker 2: I just this is one which it's gonna get kicked
Speaker 2: to a judge, and the judge is gonna give them
Speaker 2: a favorable ruling. They're not paying it this money. That
Speaker 2: just and I understand it does get more and more
Speaker 2: and more and more expensive, but so has everything else
Speaker 2: so and the ESPN thing, like, yeah, they could charge
Speaker 2: seventy bucks. ESPN also makes what nine dollars a sub
Speaker 2: you know, they make nine hours of so they're already
Speaker 2: making money and they can charge a little bit less
Speaker 2: because they're like Costco. Right, they sell everything in bulk. So,
Speaker 2: by the way, ESPN down to seventy million subs, that
Speaker 2: is a low number. That's an interesting discussion for another
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Speaker 2: More of the best or maybe worst debates in all
Speaker 2: those sports upcoming later on this hour. Let's talk some
Speaker 2: NBA draft as it did conclude the two day NBA draft.
Speaker 2: Mark stein joins us. Of course he's an NBA insider.
Speaker 2: He publishes a substack called the Steinlein Plus. He hosts
Speaker 2: an amazing podcast it's called This League Uncut with fellow
Speaker 2: insider Chris Haynes, you can find it where you find podcasts.
Speaker 2: Steany the two day Draft? Are we gonna keep doing this?
Speaker 2: Because outside of the Brownie James faux drama, not a
Speaker 2: lot of reasons to watch Day two for those of
Speaker 2: us who aren't those other people who aren't massive heads.
Speaker 4: Well, look, there's going to be a lot of discussion
Speaker 4: obviously about execution and you know, doing it in a
Speaker 4: separate studio and having no crowd for the second round picks.
Speaker 4: I mean, I certainly didn't like any of that, but
Speaker 4: I am a fan of the two day draft. Doing
Speaker 4: it all in one day is a really long process.
Speaker 4: I mean, the first round just takes so long. And
Speaker 4: I totally disagree with the notion that there's no interest
Speaker 4: because you know, this is this is my audience. I
Speaker 4: mean in interest in every two way contract, every injury update,
Speaker 4: every anything in the NBA is ravenous. So I do
Speaker 4: not believe that there's not enough interest to have the
Speaker 4: draft on a second day. I didn't like a lot
Speaker 4: of the execution elements, but I think it definitely should
Speaker 4: continue because that to do it to stuff picks into
Speaker 4: one day, and then there's the frenzy always right after
Speaker 4: the draft about you know, guys who didn't get drafted
Speaker 4: and where they're going to go for two ways and
Speaker 4: camp deals and stuff. Really it's just way too much
Speaker 4: to put into one day. So I maybe, I mean,
Speaker 4: obviously I am an extreme hoop head, but I hope
Speaker 4: it continues.
Speaker 3: I think the real question maybe be should it be televised? Well,
Speaker 3: I mean it's and obviously ESPN has a value for it.
Speaker 3: But to what Mark is saying, and Doug, to what
Speaker 3: you're saying, it's almost a question of there seems to
Speaker 3: be a need for it for the hoop heads and
Speaker 3: those that live and die with it and the front
Speaker 3: offices that want it. But if you don't have Bronnie
Speaker 3: James in there for the final thirty picks, how much
Speaker 3: does it? Does it work across the board? In what
Speaker 3: is you know, broadcasting? I guess that would be I
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe put it on NBA TV. Who knows?
Speaker 4: What is it keeping off television? Though? I mean, it's
Speaker 4: just you know, like, what's the harm in it? I
Speaker 4: just you know, like a that I am. I And look,
Speaker 4: I've maybe I've been in the minority on this from
Speaker 4: the start. I know, when it was first discussed way
Speaker 4: back at the start of the season. I threw it
Speaker 4: out to my readers and more than I expected said
Speaker 4: they weren't looking forward to it. But like you know, again,
Speaker 4: I live in this world where you know this is.
Speaker 4: I just finished my thirty first season, and I could
Speaker 4: just tell you that the interest in every little transaction,
Speaker 4: it only goes up more and more and more. The
Speaker 4: NBA was not like this when I started.
Speaker 2: No, no, I listen, it's it's totally fair Steinning and
Speaker 2: I did the draft for twelve years. I actually got
Speaker 2: my stats started ESPN in the two thousand and three
Speaker 2: NBA draft, right, and because I'd played against Darko twice
Speaker 2: and so I get it, and the and the second
Speaker 2: round was it was a joke. It was so fast
Speaker 2: and so furious, and so many trades and no one knew.
Speaker 2: So I agree with you on the execute of it, right,
Speaker 2: Like why are you having stephen A up there? And
Speaker 2: WOJ has to be up there for all the moves,
Speaker 2: But you have to have the Bobby Marxs of the world,
Speaker 2: the guys that explain like what all these deals are
Speaker 2: and how they're doing it and can't take time. But
Speaker 2: you can't move it to a live audience because nobody's
Speaker 2: gonna come watch, right, That's like, why did they do
Speaker 2: it in the studio because they probably didn't think anybody's
Speaker 2: showing up to an arena. They're just not There's just
Speaker 2: not the level of interest. Is there international interest?
Speaker 4: Then I think they can find a different venue, a
Speaker 4: smaller venue, and people would go. Because there are a
Speaker 4: lot of fans who are priced out of games, who
Speaker 4: are priced out of going to the big show first
Speaker 4: round NBA Draft. I don't believe that. I think there
Speaker 4: is a live audience that would attend. And again I'm
Speaker 4: just telling you guys from my own personal experience. I
Speaker 4: got my start covering the NBA because way back in
Speaker 4: the day, nobody went to Summer League. The writers covering
Speaker 4: the league didn't even want to go to Summer League.
Speaker 4: It was that small of a thing. And now to
Speaker 4: see what Summer League is in Vegas. Summer League in
Speaker 4: Vegas is its own industry unto itself. So, like I said,
Speaker 4: I do not I do not buy that it that
Speaker 4: it cannot be compelling Tellovision. It wasn't yesterday, but you
Speaker 4: could do it a lot better.
Speaker 3: I would also argue I guess to Mark's point, the
Speaker 3: NFL the day three. I mean, there's maybe a random
Speaker 3: college football guy that we all know of. Otherwise you're
Speaker 3: just looking for your own team or school. But anybody
Speaker 3: that's hanging out at the draft really doesn't care that
Speaker 3: the third round is actually going on on that Saturday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never understood guy who goes to draft draft.
Speaker 5: To be.
Speaker 2: At it like why why why NFL draft? It feels
Speaker 2: a little different. But even that, like two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty thousand people, it's like why Mark Stein Joints is? Okay?
Speaker 2: What you've also been somebody who, through your time covering
Speaker 2: has seen the influx of international people. Are we seeing
Speaker 2: a sea change before or the NBA talent is coming.
Speaker 4: From I don't feel like it's a sea change to
Speaker 4: people within the league, but I think it's certainly getting
Speaker 4: more and more attention outside the league, and maybe people
Speaker 4: are going to start to realize this. But I mean
Speaker 4: it's you know, the last several years. You know, one
Speaker 4: of my favorite things when the season starts every October
Speaker 4: is to get that email from the league when they
Speaker 4: counted up for you and how many international players are
Speaker 4: on opening night rosters and it's it's in the one
Speaker 4: twenty range every year now and this is only a
Speaker 4: league that you know, with two ways now we can
Speaker 4: get over four hundred and fifty players, but I mean
Speaker 4: five hundred players, and you know more than more than
Speaker 4: a hundred are are from are not from the United States.
Speaker 4: So you know, there are no secrets in basketball. He's
Speaker 4: got you know, it's players, no matter where they are playing,
Speaker 4: are known to NBA teams in their teams, I mean
Speaker 4: the league. The league scours the globe and is incredibly
Speaker 4: aware of where to find players, and they will go
Speaker 4: anywhere to do it.
Speaker 3: Did anybody seriously consider outside of the Lakers taking Bronnie James,
Speaker 3: was there any any maybe could be an option at all?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think there's I don't think there's any
Speaker 4: question about it. Look, Phoenix's interest was very well known.
Speaker 4: I live in Dallas. I know the Mavericks were interested.
Speaker 4: But it becomes a thing where you know, obviously Rich
Speaker 4: Paul wanted Ronnie James in the in LA with the Lakers,
Speaker 4: and so if you're a team with interests, I mean,
Speaker 4: I you know he's he's I do not find it.
Speaker 4: You know, had he been taken in the first round,
Speaker 4: as some people were suggesting. No, that would have been
Speaker 4: outrageous based on what we've seen from him to this case.
Speaker 4: But the fact that someone would take a second round
Speaker 4: flyer on him in a draft that is not considered
Speaker 4: a good one. I mean, I've heard executives complain about
Speaker 4: the options in this draft for months, so you know,
Speaker 4: the notion that he was he was always going to
Speaker 4: go in the second round. But you know, there are
Speaker 4: certain agents who have the ability to steer their guys
Speaker 4: to teams when they want to. This is certainly, you know,
Speaker 4: not even close to the first time it's ever happened,
Speaker 4: and so if you're a team with interest, you have
Speaker 4: to decide do I really want to get sideways with
Speaker 4: an agent who has other players that we would like
Speaker 4: to sign. And so it became apparent that once this
Speaker 4: process got underway that he was going to end up
Speaker 4: with the Lakers.
Speaker 2: JJ Reik is obviously new head coach the Lakers. They
Speaker 2: have Dalton Connect who apparently he's been doodling on pin
Speaker 2: downs for Dalton Connect. I mean, the whole thing is
Speaker 2: just dumb, with the la narrative that they're putting out there.
Speaker 2: But whatever, What are they going to do to fix
Speaker 2: the roster?
Speaker 4: Well, you're right, that is the most important issue, and
Speaker 4: you know, I think they're thrilled to get connected at seventeen.
Speaker 4: And look, you know, as I always tell you, you know,
Speaker 4: I am not monitoring the college game closely, but that
Speaker 4: seems to be a widely praised pick to be able
Speaker 4: to get a player who accomplished what he did in
Speaker 4: college at seventeen. But they still, you know, they cannot
Speaker 4: do anything meaningful trade wise unless they want to trade
Speaker 4: Austin Reeves, and the consistent messaging has been that they
Speaker 4: don't want to trade Austin Reeves. So I don't at
Speaker 4: this point foresee a major major trade. Can they make
Speaker 4: some upgrades around the edges? I think that's what they're
Speaker 4: going to have to go for and rely on internal improvement.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's worrisome because we just saw a season
Speaker 4: where Lebron and Ad were on the floor more than
Speaker 4: we've seen in their time together as teammates and didn't
Speaker 4: really make any difference. So can they you know, that's
Speaker 4: that's as much a question is what can they do
Speaker 4: with the roster? Can Lebron, who turns forty in December
Speaker 4: and Anthony Davis. Can they stay on the court as
Speaker 4: much as we just saw?
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean the likely the likelihood of that
Speaker 2: happening again is remote, and and you know, and the
Speaker 2: the outlier was what they were able to do in
Speaker 2: the playoffs two years ago because Memphis was hurt and
Speaker 2: they had a good matchup with Golden State, right, and
Speaker 2: then they get swept away and the West is getting
Speaker 2: better and they're getting older outside of Austin Reeves. Will
Speaker 2: they be better coach? I don't think they could be
Speaker 2: worse coach than they were last year. I don't think
Speaker 2: Darvin Ham has any idea what he's doing. I think
Speaker 2: he was a bad fit for the UH, for that team,
Speaker 2: for that roster, mostly for Lebron James, who is exceptionally
Speaker 2: bright and demands prepperedness and intelligence in his coaches. Happened
Speaker 2: he didn't think he got it from from from Darvinham.
Speaker 2: So I get all that, but coaching can only do
Speaker 2: so much. This is a league where the best players
Speaker 2: are always in the NBA Finals or Western Conference finals
Speaker 2: or whatever, and their best players are getting older, and
Speaker 2: they're coming off of year. As you point out that
Speaker 2: they're healthy It's a that's a hard one, right where
Speaker 2: you do you hang on Oustereves? You not hang on Oustereves?
Speaker 2: And I don't know what what what? What'd you do? What?
Speaker 2: What about? They can't run, they can't get rid of
Speaker 2: D'Angel Russell. Nobody wants to take that deal.
Speaker 4: Well, first Dangel Russell has to make a decision about
Speaker 4: opting in or opting out. And then if he opted in,
Speaker 4: you know, presumably they could trade him. But it's not
Speaker 4: like there's going to be a robust trade market for
Speaker 4: di'angelo Russell. It's a very tradable contract. So is there
Speaker 4: some help they can find if that's the route they
Speaker 4: decide to take. But they might just decide, you know what,
Speaker 4: we're not gonna be able to get a difference maker,
Speaker 4: So do we just run it back with the team
Speaker 4: we have and again, you know, pursue the best, best
Speaker 4: around the edges moves that they can. And remember, you know,
Speaker 4: last summer the Lakers got a lot of praise for
Speaker 4: those type of moves, the small fill in the roster
Speaker 4: moves they made, and then very few of them actually
Speaker 4: panned out. They looked good in July and August, and
Speaker 4: it didn't play out that way. So I mean, you're
Speaker 4: absolutely right. I mean I would I would push back
Speaker 4: on the Darvinham thus to some degree because you know,
Speaker 4: I think he was especially in year one, this team
Speaker 4: goes to the Western Conference Finals, and remember it's the
Speaker 4: start was terrible, I think too, and ten in year
Speaker 4: one for Darvinham oho and five and two and ten,
Speaker 4: and that thing looked like an absolute disaster. And I
Speaker 4: thought he provided a leadership and a stability. And you know,
Speaker 4: the coach of today and the coach in today's NBA
Speaker 4: is more than ever the team spokesman. They have to
Speaker 4: speak to the media several times the day, and I
Speaker 4: just thought Darvinham provided a lot of deal in that position.
Speaker 4: And when things were going really, really bad for the
Speaker 4: Lakers last season, obviously he lost the faith from his
Speaker 4: main two guys. As the season we're on, and there's
Speaker 4: no disputing that. But you know, I think, you know,
Speaker 4: Starvinham getting helping the Lakers reach the conference finals in
Speaker 4: year one should not be overlooked. But where I do
Speaker 4: agree with you is the state of the West. I mean,
Speaker 4: the West was an absolute monster and it is only
Speaker 4: getting better because even at the bottom, we know San
Speaker 4: Antonio is going to be a tougher out in year
Speaker 4: two for Wembin Yama. You know, Portland just made a
Speaker 4: very nice move to add Denny Afdia. You know they
Speaker 4: will be better to a degree. In Memphis, you would
Speaker 4: expect them to bounce back. Houston has such big ambition
Speaker 4: to try to go out and get a front line player.
Speaker 4: You know, they're very active in the off season trade
Speaker 4: market and what they're trying to do. So yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean the West is just as as stacked as it's
Speaker 4: ever been.
Speaker 3: And the Phoenix Suns in Matteshpia released the statement on
Speaker 3: the Durant rumors with the Rockets. How I guess how
Speaker 3: long or what is the expiration date of that statement
Speaker 3: of support, Like, at what point do the Suns maybe
Speaker 3: make a decision on Durant if it's not going to
Speaker 3: be right now?
Speaker 4: Well, what happens on the court will tell us that.
Speaker 4: I mean, the Suns feel like last year was a
Speaker 4: disaster because they, you know, Durant, Booker and Beal if
Speaker 4: my memory is correct, they only ended up on the
Speaker 4: court together in forty one regular season games, exactly half
Speaker 4: the season. You can't do that and expect to have
Speaker 4: any kind of playoff continuity, and especially when you know
Speaker 4: the three of them, there are already concerns about fit
Speaker 4: and can you build a defense around these guys? And
Speaker 4: they all want to operate in the mid range at
Speaker 4: a time when the three point shot and just getting
Speaker 4: off three point shots three point volume is as important
Speaker 4: in the NBA as making them, And so there are
Speaker 4: all these questions and they didn't have a season even
Speaker 4: to work on it. So the Sons want to believe
Speaker 4: that with a new coach, with Mike Budenholzer coming in
Speaker 4: with a full season of better health, that they can
Speaker 4: be a factor. But look, I totally am with you.
Speaker 4: The skepticism is there and undeniable, and the questions are
Speaker 4: still there. Can you really build a defense when those
Speaker 4: are your three main guys? And the Sons, because they've
Speaker 4: spent so much on putting the three of them together,
Speaker 4: they're so far into the luxury tax, they don't have
Speaker 4: the mechanism to really change the team and bring in defenders.
Speaker 4: They have to re sign Roys O'Neil because they have
Speaker 4: no way to even replace him if they lose Roys
Speaker 4: O'Neil in free agency. So yeah, the skepticism is undeniable.
Speaker 4: And if things if the Suns have another half season
Speaker 4: like they just had this season, I mean they you know,
Speaker 4: the pressure on them will out. And look, their phone
Speaker 4: is going to ring, whether they want it or not,
Speaker 4: not if it can say anything he wants to. But
Speaker 4: if there are teams out there interested in Kevin Durant
Speaker 4: and I don't think there's any question that the Rockets
Speaker 4: fall into that category, they will test the Sun's results.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So again, coming off of last night's debate, a
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Speaker 3: It's a role that I take with a lot of gratitude,
Speaker 3: but also I understand the importance of it, so this
Speaker 3: is not lost on me. Doug. Just to recap, you
Speaker 3: three were on the Jordan's side of the of the
Speaker 3: Lebron Jordan Goats debate. I took Lebron and then we
Speaker 3: were split. Doug and I went Bird, and then Joel
Speaker 3: and Jason went Magic, and the Magic Bird debate. We
Speaker 3: stick with the NBA Bulls dynasty or Warriors dynasty. Doug
Speaker 3: on that debate, where do you stand? Because that's where
Speaker 3: what we want to know in these debates. Where do
Speaker 3: you stand?
Speaker 2: Bulls dynasty? Bulls dynasty? I mean six and zero in
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals. Granted, you know they did have Jordan
Speaker 2: when they lost to the Ortlanta Magic in the Eastern
Speaker 2: Conference Finals the year he came off of Baseball War
Speaker 2: forty five, but the the sheer dominans never went to
Speaker 2: a seventh game. I'm not holding it against the Warriors
Speaker 2: that they added Kevin Durant, nor am I giving them
Speaker 2: a break because they had all this, you know, the
Speaker 2: rash of injuries with KD and then Clay going down
Speaker 2: in their last NBA Finals with that group, and then
Speaker 2: of course coming back and winning a couple years later.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna go Bulls, just the sheer dominance of them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that would be my that'd be my peck.
Speaker 3: Jason Stewart, Yeah, I'm gonna go bulls.
Speaker 5: I feel like, if you're a Jordan guy in the
Speaker 5: Jordan Lebron date are debate, I think you just go
Speaker 5: bulls here because Jordan and Bulls they're on the same team.
Speaker 3: Then I am a walking contradiction. I'll go bulls as well,
Speaker 3: even though I have Lebron over Jordan and the debate, Joel,
Speaker 3: will it be a clean sweep or will the Warriors
Speaker 3: get a vote? As a true Piston fan, I do
Speaker 3: say Jordan too. Three peats. That's what I always say
Speaker 3: about Jordan. Two three peats? All right? Our next topic
Speaker 3: of conversation eighties nineties.
Speaker 2: Hold on real quick, Joel Jordan, Joel Jordan, Jordan. No,
Speaker 2: you're supposed to say two three peats. You said. That's
Speaker 2: what I always say about Jordan. It's two three beats,
Speaker 2: Joel Jordan. Uh, three p there you go? Here you go. Look,
Speaker 2: you'd be walking down the street and be like, are
Speaker 2: you Joel? Yeah, Jordan to three peats? There you go
Speaker 2: like a he did it. He did the two three
Speaker 2: peats thing, all right, So I go ahead.
Speaker 3: That's all right. Eighties and nineties NBA versus the twenty teens.
Speaker 3: In the twenty twenties NBA.
Speaker 2: Are we really having to I know, we really having
Speaker 2: this debate? Looked eighties? I mean, I look, you watch
Speaker 2: eighties like there's and I'm somebody obviously I will tell
Speaker 2: you the skill now, the skill now, the shooting and
Speaker 2: passing skills and spacing. It can be a beautiful game
Speaker 2: to watch, and the Warriors are incredibly fun to watch.
Speaker 2: But the competitiveness, the the chippiness, UH don't know. Those
Speaker 2: guys are just bigger than life. Eighties and nineties and
Speaker 2: I don't think it's close if you lived through both.
Speaker 5: Eras Jason Stewart, I think for the same reason I
Speaker 5: prefer eighties and nineties movies. I was more naive, I
Speaker 5: was more open to creativity. I'm too cynical and too
Speaker 5: many years into the business now to like the modern NBA.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna stick with the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 3: There is something nostalgic about turning on a TV and
Speaker 3: seeing fifty five to forty eight with ten minutes left
Speaker 3: in the game. But that's where we were in the
Speaker 3: eighties and nineties. Giving me the eighties and nineties, Joel,
Speaker 3: will it be a clean sweep again? Yes, that was
Speaker 3: a Piston score you just gained. I go with eighties.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, look, I can't imagine they would haul
Speaker 2: off and arrest Bill Ambier for the stuff he did
Speaker 2: back then, but somehow like it was part of the sport,
Speaker 2: firs sport and only to correct you a little bit, Dan,
Speaker 2: they actually scored a lot in the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 2: It was the two early two thousands post Jordan, sure
Speaker 2: that it got to be really really ugly and low scores.
Speaker 3: Definitely more in the nineties. Not yeah, not as much
Speaker 3: in the eighties, but but uh but yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 3: Shaq versus Kobe. This is a debate that has happened
Speaker 3: probably many a time in laker Lands.
Speaker 2: Way, Shack versus Kobe in terms of what.
Speaker 3: Well, who's sayan Who's who is the reason for the Lakers?
Speaker 3: Who's the championships? Who was? Who is the better Laker?
Speaker 3: Who is the better player? Shack versus Kobe?
Speaker 2: Kobe was the better player, but Shack was this incredible
Speaker 2: dominant physical force Shack. Kobe got more out of his
Speaker 2: body than Shack could have been. The greatest player ever
Speaker 2: just wanted to be Shack. So I'm gonna go Coche.
Speaker 2: I wasn't a huge Kobe fan until kind of the
Speaker 2: end when he evolved as a person and and became
Speaker 2: actually a friend. But I think in this case you
Speaker 2: have to go Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 3: Jason Stewart.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my opinions evolved on this. I was I was
Speaker 5: team Shock when they broke up, but I've evolved. I'm
Speaker 5: Kobe now Kobe looking back, it's all Kobe.
Speaker 3: Give me Shaquille O'Neal, Joel Elliott your final Shack Daddy
Speaker 3: split on Kobe versus Shack. By the way, this wraps
Speaker 3: up the NBA portion of our debate. However, Golf, Tennis,
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