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Speaker 1: in the stratiere of normalcy here. Welcome to a Friday

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Speaker 1: well earned and well deserved time off. Joining me here

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Speaker 1: today is going to be co host Thad Brown of

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Speaker 1: of your time. Hey, always fun, Steve, you know, good

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Speaker 1: to be here and uh, you know, it's always a

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Speaker 1: so make it very much to that. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: We had the first thing that stuck out to me, Steve,

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Speaker 1: It means getting predictable, running the same old plays, same

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Speaker 1: defensively that you were a year ago if you're still

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Speaker 1: that's that's a very different place this Bill's organization is

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Speaker 1: knowing her first name. She says this, and this is

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Speaker 1: breaking down, you know, Lebron, you know, maybe he didn't

427
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Speaker 1: specifically predict it, but probably felt like, all right, that

428
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Speaker 1: this is a very possible slash likely outcome for what

429
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 1: what would happen? And you're right. You know, the list

430
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 1: of guys who should be saying it, or can say it,

431
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 1: or who would be respected saying it, it's a very

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Speaker 1: short list. Lebron's definitely on it. And the funny thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, you talked about how the NBA players are

434
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Speaker 1: more close knit than NFL players, and correct me if

435
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Speaker 1: I'm wrong about this, But in the NFL you've got

436
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who kind of are have a fraternity, and then

437
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: star receivers are one separate fraternity, and then what happens

438
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 1: on the offensive line is different than what the deep

439
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Whereas an NBA star, as

440
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Speaker 1: an NBA stars an be a star makes easier for

441
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Speaker 1: these guys can act. Yeah, and it's easy enough to

442
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: you're right, and it's nobody knows how it's knows how

443
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 1: it's going to turn out, but they think, well, we

444
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: may as well take the money and we'll see how

445
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,360
Speaker 1: we get through it. You know. I mean, when when

446
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: you know how it's gonna be, you know it's you know,

447
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,479
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a tight window. And but for players,

448
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: they probably didn't know this was gonna be like wow,

449
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, Kd's hurt. Yeah, Kauhi's hurt. Lebron got hurt,

450
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, Abs got hurt. All these guys are hurt.

451
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: It's like, wow, you know, we knew it would, We've

452
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 1: kind of figured it would, but you know, we took

453
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Speaker 1: the money. What can we say? And now you can say, listen,

454
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Speaker 1: it was a bad idea, at least from that standpoint. Um, yeah,

455
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Speaker 1: I get it, you know that, I guess, And that's

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Speaker 1: kind of the problem I'd have with Lebron. I mean, look,

457
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Speaker 1: he could say, you know, I thought this was a

458
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 1: bad idea, But it comes across, as you know, the

459
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: NBA did a terrible thing to us, and it was

460
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Speaker 1: forced to pass. Right, you know, at some level that

461
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: the players agreed did this. Now look, you know Ronnet said, uh,

462
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: you know, god, we really maybe shouldn't have done this.

463
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: This is a bad call. You know, maybe next time

464
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Speaker 1: I'd want to have more of a conversation with the NBA. Fine,

465
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 1: but it came across, as you know, the NBA forced us,

466
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Speaker 1: you know, into having to do this, and now look,

467
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: our bodies are breaking down, which really isn't how it

468
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: went down, right, That's exactly right. Also, Um, coming down

469
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Speaker 1: we had talked also that the league is thinking about

470
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Speaker 1: not only games in London, but also we've heard rumblings

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Speaker 1: about there's gonna be games in Germany as well. And now,

472
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Speaker 1: as is per usual with social media, the logo for

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two Germany game has been leaked, and

474
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Speaker 1: it looks like the NFL's at least got a logo

475
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Speaker 1: that they've they're they're floating out that there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a game in Germany in twenty twenty two. That's that's

477
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Speaker 1: next year, not this season, but next year. And as

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Speaker 1: I get it, um, we've had a lot of conversation

479
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Speaker 1: about what's next for the NFL. I mean, he's grown

480
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Speaker 1: so much in this country. It's it's by far the

481
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Speaker 1: most successful sports league in the United States, and and

482
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Speaker 1: it's got its site set on growth. Well, how much

483
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Speaker 1: can you You're not gonna grow anymore in the US.

484
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: Now you gotta go. You gotta take your game on

485
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Speaker 1: the road. Right, So they've gone to London, they had

486
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Speaker 1: NFL Europe, now they're gonna take it looks like they're

487
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna take games to Germany. What do you think long

488
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Speaker 1: term this means anything? Or is it just maybe not

489
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Speaker 1: in our lifetime. I don't. I think it not in

490
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Speaker 1: our lifetime. It's kind of the way I go with it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the NFL has had a lot of chances abroad.

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Speaker 1: You know, the London things been going on for more

493
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Speaker 1: than ten years. We had a few years with Toronto.

494
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Speaker 1: Obviously in Mexico City has been a site for a

495
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: game before. And you know, I'll tell you from from

496
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Speaker 1: being in London when the Bills isn't there. With Jacksonville,

497
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: there's no buzz for those games. I mean, the recap

498
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Speaker 1: of the Bills and Jags was like sports page seven

499
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Speaker 1: in a corner. You know that this is not and obviously,

500
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Speaker 1: judging by a newspaper response, terrible in twenty twenty one. Regardless,

501
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: it just has not taken hold the way the NFL

502
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Speaker 1: either hoped it would or the way it has with

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Speaker 1: the NBA and maybe other sports. So I think the

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Speaker 1: NFL is going to continue to attempt to build this up.

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Speaker 1: And it's smart, you know, like you said that they've

506
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Speaker 1: almost you know, squeezed all the blood you can get

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00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: out of the stone here in the United States. You

508
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: gotta go find other sources, and you know there is interest.

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Speaker 1: It's not like no one wants to go to these games.

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Speaker 1: They keep selling them out. So there's some you know,

511
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Speaker 1: base of fans that have an ability to spend some

512
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: money on your products will keep trying. But the idea

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Speaker 1: that there's going to be an NFL Europe Division or

514
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Speaker 1: teams playing there regularly, I can't see that happening. Got

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Speaker 1: twenty sixty. I mean some some year way down the road,

516
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Speaker 1: when we're you know, beating ourselves up and taking the

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Speaker 1: spaceships to Mars and stuff like that. Well, yeah, the

518
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: travel could they could take a lot of regular season

519
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Speaker 1: games and put them in alternate locations, particularly if they

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Speaker 1: get to an eighteen game regular season, which I bet

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Speaker 1: I bet a mortgage check that that's going to happen

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Speaker 1: at some point over the next decade. But by the

523
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: same but if you got two games and you want

524
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Speaker 1: to put them in neutral sights, that might be the

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00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: perfect window to start going international. Take games to Japan, Germany,

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Speaker 1: and we've heard two from our friend British UK UK

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Speaker 1: British Oh gosh, Neil said, Germany's really hot for the

528
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: NFL for football American football. They had like five of

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Speaker 1: the NFL Europe teams eventually ended up playing there in

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Speaker 1: different cities, you know, Frankfurt, Munich, Berlin, a ton of them, Dusseldorf,

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Speaker 1: they all had their own football team. So that seems

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Speaker 1: to be at least a pocket of interest in the

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Speaker 1: NFL that they could foster some international games and you know,

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Speaker 1: you can take games to all over the world for

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Speaker 1: a one time event and probably do pretty well. And

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Speaker 1: with an eighteen game schedule on the horizon, maybe it

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00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: maybe it becomes a reality that way, and maybe that's

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00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: the way the league goes worldwide. And I think that

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00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, if you try and experiment, you might land

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00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: in a couple of spots that you know, maybe there

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Speaker 1: is interest in Japan that we don't know about, or

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00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, a place like India or you know, Brazil.

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Speaker 1: I mean not that I have any idea that those

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00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: places have football interest, but you know, a country like

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Speaker 1: England where you know, soccer is the sport and has

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00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: been the sport for so long, you know, making inroads

547
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: with something brand new has proven to be a pain

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Speaker 1: in the neck. So and not that Germany's not interested

549
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: in soccer, they are too, but there's gonna be different

550
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: differences depending on where you go. So if you got

551
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: the product, which, like you said, the endeval is gonna

552
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: have more of it pretty soon, why not give it

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Speaker 1: a shot. I hear what they're doing man, Steve Tasker,

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00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: Thad Brown here on one Bills Live. We're here till

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00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: three o'clock and we are talking about all things NFL football,

556
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: but we're also talking about what you want to talk about.

557
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: Our mail bag is open. You can tweet at us

558
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: at one Bills Live. Call us at one eight to

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Speaker 1: eight five fifty two, five fifty or one. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what now. I blanked on the number here eight

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Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifty. Will leave it

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Speaker 1: at that. Tweet at us at one Bill's Live. It's

563
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: been a while since I've hosted Where's Brownie. You gotta

564
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: bear with me today, friends and neighbors, because Brownie's on

565
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: and he usually does this stuff. So we'll open up

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Speaker 1: the mail bag. We'll get to your tweets and your questions.

567
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: Thad Brown, Steve Tasker as well. Also before we hit

568
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: to break, what are your thoughts they're keeping We're still

569
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: in the off season, we're still not completely done with COVID.

570
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: The Canadian borders just announced going to be remain closed

571
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: until July twenty first, A lot of to do about that.

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00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: A lot of people are really unhappy about the border

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Speaker 1: staying closed. The League has come out with its COVID protocols,

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00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be vastly different if you're vaccinated as

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Speaker 1: a player compared to the guys who are not vaccinated.

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00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,479
Speaker 1: I mean, how long do you think this hangs on

577
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: and is it is it gonna be? I gotta think

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00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna become less of an issue, not more of

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00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: an issue, but depending on the guy's decisions about getting

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00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: the vaccini vaccination or not. It kind of keeps it

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00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,959
Speaker 1: at the forefront of everybody's conversation. What are your thoughts about,

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00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: you know, the Canadian border, the protocols, and how long

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00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna be stuck in this without being completely free

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00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: of it? Well, number one, and I've had this opinion

585
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,479
Speaker 1: since COVID started. You'd start making predictions about anything more

586
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: than two three weeks out, and you know, you might

587
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 1: as well just be throwing darts on a wall. I mean,

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00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: there's there's really no way to know. I agree with

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00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: you that I think everything is still pointing towards getting

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00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: better as opposed to worse. Well, I'd love I think

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00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: the Canadian border thing is more of a Buffalo thing

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00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: than a Rochester thing that that we don't go there.

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00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: I love to go. I mean it's been a while.

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00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: I mean, who doesn't like going to Aagara Falls? You know.

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00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: But I'm not overly been about it here. I just

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Speaker 1: I think from the NFL point of view, one of

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00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: the reasons is that the forefront of the discussion is

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00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: because what else is there to talk about? I mean,

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00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: we just had a conversation about what the Bills did

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00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: in offseason camp, and we said, they're the same team

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00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: they've been for three years, you know, so there's not

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00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: there's no games for three months. There's not a lot

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00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: to discuss. The other part of it, too, though, is,

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Speaker 1: you know, an offseason camp. You know, if I say,

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Speaker 1: while Josh Jane looks good or Isaiah Haidden's had a

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00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: good day, does that really mean anything for Week one

607
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: in September? No, it doesn't. But for vaccinations, you know,

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00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: that does have an effect week one because guys who

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00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: are vaccinated are gonna be less likely to you know,

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Speaker 1: pick up a contact race or a positive to where

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00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: they would not be available for the game. So you know,

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Speaker 1: from from a total fans point of view, take the

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Speaker 1: politics out of it, but you know is next to

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00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: impossible these days. If your guys are vaccinated, your guys

615
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: are more likely to play. And that is a thing

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Speaker 1: that can tangibly be discussed in June, which we rarely

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00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: have in the NFL. So you know, for that reason alone,

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Speaker 1: this is gonna stay a topic until there are games

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Speaker 1: or something else to even you know, enter into the discussion.

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Speaker 1: Steve Chash with Thad Brown here for the next two

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Speaker 1: hours or two and a half hours, we're gonna come

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Speaker 1: with you from the Buffalo Synca studio here one Bills Drive, Fad.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to go to break, what are your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on since you're in Rochester, what was how big

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00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: a deal was it that the Bills are going to

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00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: stay in Orchard Park for training camp this year? I

627
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: think this year not as big a deal because they

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00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: did it last year, you know, so at this point,

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Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't like we and Rochester have lost

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Speaker 1: out on something that we just had last year. And

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Speaker 1: I think the concern, you know, in Rochester has not

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00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: been each individual season. I think most people here understand

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00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: obviously last year that COVID was an issue, and I

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00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: think people realize, you know, as we just talked about,

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Speaker 1: because of the way vaccinations are being handled by the players,

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00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: the players zziation in the league, that it's no small undertaking.

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Speaker 1: So I think people get it this year. Disappointed for sure,

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Speaker 1: but they get it. The conversation here is more about

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Speaker 1: long term, you know, because since Sean McDermott in this

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Speaker 1: new regime took over in Buffalo, there's always been that

641
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: rumor that they don't really want to be away at camp,

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Speaker 1: no matter how many thousand times, Brandon being Sean McDermott

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Speaker 1: says exactly the opposite. So you know, from what I understand,

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00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: the track with Bills training camp is now over at Fisher,

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00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 1: even though these last two years were missed. They're not

646
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: going to toll although you know, any agreement can be

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Speaker 1: rewritten and changed. So the question now is what do

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Speaker 1: the Bills do going forward. We'd love to keep him here.

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00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: It's absolutely a source of pride for our community to

650
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Speaker 1: be the host for the Bills. Even if camp is

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00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: only you know, fifteen days and twelve practices. Camp is

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00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: still in Rochester, and you know there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who across the league, Peter King, you know,

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00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: national writers who speak very highly of coming to Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: and coming to Rochester. And if you don't think people

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Speaker 1: in this town, you know, get a little you know,

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00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: thump the chest and source of pride from that stuff,

658
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: you're wrong. So if we can keep that, that'd be great.

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00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: I think Bills fans and Rochester are Bills fans first,

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00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: So if they moved to Buffalo and winning seven Super Bowls,

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00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna be cool with that. But in general, they'd

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Speaker 1: prefer Camp to be here in Rochester, that brows Chief

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Speaker 1: task here and won Bills Live. We're gonna come back

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Speaker 1: Tyler Dunn of Go Along It will be on as well.

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to One Bill's Lives. Chief

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Speaker 1: Tasker Fed Brown in for Chris Brown today and I

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Speaker 1: get all your listeners out there who are regular listeners,

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Speaker 1: you gotta bear with us today I'm hosting the show,

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Speaker 1: so if we go off the air, just consider it

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Speaker 1: user error by me. You know it's gonna happen at

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Speaker 1: some point, so hang in there with us. I appreciate it.

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00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: Brownie is so smooth at doing this fad. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's you know, he does it, and I'm now I'm

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Speaker 1: doing I couldn't even remember the phone numbers a minute ago,

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Speaker 1: let alone you know what time we're supposed to go

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Speaker 1: to break. But everybody's just gotta be patient with me today,

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00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: that's all. And if and I do have phone lines open,

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Speaker 1: if even if you don't know what the numbers are,

683
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: as someone as someone who does this as much as

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00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: as you do, and you know it does it a lot.

685
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: Chris brown is a smooth operator when it comes to

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Speaker 1: these sort of radio discussion shows. And I've always been,

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00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: you know, otsunding too much a fan boy. He is

688
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: really good this year. Yeah, Brownie's Yeah, Brownie's made me

689
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: fat and lazy. So you're and you're reaping the benefits

690
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: of that today. Thanks for coming on now. I appreciate

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00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: you being here. We're here till three and talking about it.

692
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 1: You can give us your questions and your fan mail

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Speaker 1: and all your comments to us at at one Bill's Live.

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Speaker 1: You can call us at one eight eight fifty two

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Speaker 1: five fifty or eight oh three h five fifty. We've

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Speaker 1: got lines open um. Tiffany says this in honor of

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Speaker 1: Bruce's birthday. What is your favorite on field memory from

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Speaker 1: Bill's Hall of Fame or Bruce Smith? Did you you

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Speaker 1: watch Bruce as a kid? Watch him for sure? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I never ever covered him, but I mean watched the

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Speaker 1: whole career. What do you remember about him? Well, I

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00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: mean I grew up a Jets fan, so I hated him,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, what are you gonna say? He

704
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: always all over my guy? I mean, yeah, the thing

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Speaker 1: I remember him is like peeling Kenny O'Brien off of

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Speaker 1: him every other week, you know. Yeah, So, I mean

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Speaker 1: he was he was so dominating and so good and

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Speaker 1: so intimidating if you were you know, especially if you

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Speaker 1: were for someone from the other team. So that's the

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Speaker 1: way I remember him. You know, there's a you know,

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Speaker 1: I remember a ton about him. He's if he's still

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Speaker 1: a close friend of mine. I was. I texted him

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Speaker 1: Happy birthday this morning. He's a tremendous dude. I remember

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Speaker 1: how much how good he got as time wore on.

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Speaker 1: I mean, certainly was gifted from the beginning to the end,

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Speaker 1: but he got better. And really, I the thing I

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Speaker 1: admired about him and the thing he never got enough

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Speaker 1: credit for. Yeah, he's you know, he sacked the quarterback

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Speaker 1: you know, two hundred times in his career. But the

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Speaker 1: thing about him was, even late in his career, he

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Speaker 1: was a beast at against the run as well. He

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Speaker 1: came down the line from a three four you know,

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Speaker 1: three four alignment and was banging running backs in the hole.

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Speaker 1: He chased the quarterback all over the field. Offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: you could just see the panic in their face. I remember,

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Speaker 1: you know, hall of Famer the center for the Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was Simms, Keith sim I'm not sure exactly,

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Famer center. And one time Walt Corey

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00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: during a Miami Dolphins game. We shifted around a little

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Speaker 1: bit and at the last minute, Walt put Bruce right

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Speaker 1: on the nose, and they timed it so that when

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Speaker 1: the center raised his head just before the snap, that

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Speaker 1: would be the first time he saw that Bruce was

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Speaker 1: on him. Hey, the ball, literally Marino Danny was in

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Speaker 1: the shotgun and the ball literally just rolled back to him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy didn't know what to do. He

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Speaker 1: just he couldn't even snap the ball. And we got

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Speaker 1: a free play. You know, we got a defensive stop

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Speaker 1: out of it, just because the center, you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of wet his pants when he looked up and saw

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Speaker 1: Bruce on him. It was just I'll never forget it.

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Speaker 1: It was the one time when you know, you see

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Speaker 1: guys and they'll say that, wow, he's really good and that,

744
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: but man, oh man, I saw that guy who's a

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Speaker 1: great center and he just he couldn't even snap the

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Speaker 1: ball when he realized Bruce was on him. And stuff

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Speaker 1: like that happened constantly, and he's just a great dude.

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Speaker 1: He's he's been a great ambassador for Buffalo his entire

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Speaker 1: his entire time as in a retirement, got his number

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Speaker 1: retired by the club. This play that the MSG people

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Speaker 1: are watching, that play right there could have been a

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Speaker 1: difference maker for a world championship. He had Jeff Jeff

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00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: Hostetler the safety in Super Bowl twenty five that he

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00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: got in the ball almost popped out of his hands

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00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: for a touchdown for Buffalo, and in a game we

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Speaker 1: lost by by one point. So he's just a phenomenal guy.

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00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: He I didn't know him that when I first got here.

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Speaker 1: Took a while for me to get my mind around

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00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: and for us to be friendly. And then after that,

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00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineties season regular season, he and I

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00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 1: and the rest of the team got to a point

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00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: where we were all really close, good friends, and we've

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Speaker 1: been friends ever since, and I treasure him. He is

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Speaker 1: an absolute treasure, even to the guys on that team

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Speaker 1: to this day. So happy birthday to my good friend

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Speaker 1: Bruce Smith fifty eight today. He's younger than me. He's

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Speaker 1: younger than he was the first player taken in the draft.

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Speaker 1: I was like the two hundred and twenty sixth player taken.

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Speaker 1: He was the first player taken, and I was a

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Speaker 1: fifth year guy. I think he came out as a

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Speaker 1: senior or maybe as a junior. I don't know which.

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Speaker 1: But he's a year younger than I was, and we

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Speaker 1: were in the same draft class from two different teams.

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Speaker 1: So happy, I know. I'll speak for a lot of

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Speaker 1: a lot of fans, and you know, obviously media those

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00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: of us who didn't play. I always get a kick

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00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: out of the stories from NFL players who react to

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00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: other great NFL players like I think I would if

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Speaker 1: I was a center and I saw Bruce Smith over

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Speaker 1: the top of me. Like you said, wedding the pants

781
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: is probably just the beginning of what would happen. And

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00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: to understand that these reactions do happen to actual season

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00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: professional athletes the same way they would probably happen to us.

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00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: I always get a kick out of that stuff, and

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00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: I think it's it's a reminder too to two fans

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00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: and you know, viewers and whatever that you know, you

787
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: guys who played this game, you're you're real people too

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00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: and have real reactions like most of the rest of

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Speaker 1: us do. You do things at an incredibly high level

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00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: that none of us can't imagine. But I get it.

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00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: It's always fun to hear that. And the one other

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00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: thing I'll say about Bruce too, he didn't really ever

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Speaker 1: have that season where you're you, not Willie May He's playing,

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00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: you know, for the Mets, kind of season where it

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00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: was clear that he was done. He always always, always

796
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: played at a high level all the way to the

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00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: end of his career, and I thought that was very impressive. Yeah,

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00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: it's and you as a Jet fan. I'll just sprinkle

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Speaker 1: this in um. I remember that we had a Monday

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Speaker 1: night game in New York. We had a couple of those,

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Speaker 1: because you know, New York was in New York and

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00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: we were the best, you know, one of the best

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Speaker 1: teams in football, so we got a lot of money

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00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: night games, and they put us on in New York

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00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: against the Jets. I remember it was Trevor Matich was

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00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: playing left tackle for you guys, for your Jet team,

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00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: and I think Bruce got four sacks at night. And

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00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: one of the reasons was I don't know why he

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00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: did it, but he did this. He unfurled a new

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00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: move that he had for that game. It was just

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00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: that ripped spin move and there's nothing they could do.

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00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy would come to chip to the outside,

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00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: Bruce would rip to the outside, the back would step

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Speaker 1: up to do it, and he'd spin to the inside

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Speaker 1: and would have Trevor pinned outside while he kept his

816
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: momentum forward. And Ken O'Brien was just getting steamrolled and

817
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: he just dominated that game defensively, and I think we

818
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: beat him really bad that night. We didn't always, but man,

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Speaker 1: oh man, from what I remember, if Trevor maddage. I'm

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Speaker 1: surprised it was only four. Yeah, Well they can't all be,

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Speaker 1: you know, Anthony Munio. So another one from the mail

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Speaker 1: bags from Ed Padilla. He says, Steve steven slash Brownie,

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Speaker 1: what do you guys? Do you He think the Bills

824
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: are close to the Super closer to the super Bowl

825
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: than last season, and how much time left before that

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Speaker 1: window closed. It's an interesting question. There's a lot in there, Eli,

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Speaker 1: I said, Ed, it's Eli. Yes, they are closer to

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and they were last year. They were

829
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: close last year. And I've said this a ton and

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00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: that you may not agree with this, and I'll put

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Speaker 1: it out there to you. I have maintained this as

832
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: a player. I knew this. The Bills were good enough

833
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: to beat the Chiefs last year, but you gotta play

834
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: well on the day you play the Chiefs. The Chiefs

835
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: didn't play well for two months leading up the AFC

836
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: Championship game, but they played well on that day. The

837
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: Bills played great in the two months leading up to

838
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: the championship game, and they didn't play well that day.

839
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Speaker 1: That leads to a two touchdown difference. Say and the

840
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens will tell you the same thing about the

841
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 1: Bills game. They didn't play as well as they should

842
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: have in that game, and the Bills played really well

843
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: and beat them by two touchdown seventeen to three. The

844
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: Colts and the Bills had a fantastic divisional round playoff game,

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Speaker 1: not a divisional round, Yeah, divisional round playoff game and

846
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: or wildcard playoff game, and the Colts gave the Bills

847
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: all they can handle. That was as good a game

848
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Speaker 1: as you saw last year. And that's why the Bills

849
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: fans and I think the Bills players and coaches have

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Speaker 1: a lot of respect for what's going on in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: That team really gave them a bunch of stuff they

852
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Speaker 1: could hardly handle last year. And so I think, yes,

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Speaker 1: the Bills are closer than they were a year ago

854
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Speaker 1: to being in the super Bowl. They still have the

855
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: horses to get there, but they've got to play well

856
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: on the day in which they play those important games

857
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Speaker 1: against those important teams. I think one of the things

858
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Speaker 1: you see there is and in the NFL, there are

859
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Speaker 1: so few games that every conclusion you draw about the

860
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: league is almost a small sample size, you know, alert

861
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Speaker 1: to where Yeah, I mean, the Bills didn't play well

862
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: in either game against the Chiefs last year. But those

863
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 1: are two days out of twenty, you know, or really

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Speaker 1: in lifetimes, two days out of three hundred and sixty

865
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Speaker 1: in a year, whatever, however you want to look at it.

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Speaker 1: So to sit there and say that the Bills are

867
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: definitively not as good as the Chiefs based on two

868
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: games certainly should come with a grain of salt. But

869
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Speaker 1: on the flip side, we have no other way to

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Speaker 1: judge them. And you know, from my point of view,

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Speaker 1: you know, based on those two games, the Bills are

872
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Speaker 1: certainly have the team and the players to get to

873
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, but they didn't look very close last year,

874
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: and I think they're pretty much the same team going

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Speaker 1: into this year. So my answer would be no, I

876
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: don't think they're closer, because I think the Chiefs got

877
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: better on paper book. Judging teams in May and June

878
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: is a fool's er no matter how you judge it.

879
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: But if you want to answer the question, I don't

880
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: think they're closer. I think they can. I think they're

881
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: capable of it. I think they're certainly number two in

882
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Speaker 1: the AFC. But if I'm going to stack the AFC

883
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: Right now, I've got the Chiefs one, the Bills a

884
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: distant two, and then I agree with you the Colts.

885
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: If Carson Wentz figures it out, the Colts could be

886
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: very nasty this year. I like the Browns, I like

887
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: the Chargers, whoever you want to put in the three

888
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: spot Tennessee. I think they're a lot closer to Buffalo

889
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: than Buffalo is to the Chiefs. And I think the Bills.

890
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: I don't think the Bills took a step back. I

891
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: think the Chiefs took a little bit of the step four,

892
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: and the Bills gonna stayed in place. Well, I got

893
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: the last part of Eli's tweet to us was how

894
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: much time left before that window closed? And that's an

895
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: interesting one because we've said, and we've seen Sean McDermott

896
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: and Brandon Bean they don't want this roller coaster of

897
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Speaker 1: success and failure to get back to the top, and

898
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Speaker 1: they've they've managed to for four years get better and better. Now,

899
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: certainly when you've got some foundational pieces in place like

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00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: they've never had before, you know, or you know, since

901
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Speaker 1: since the Super Bowl years of you know Trey White,

902
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, you know Dion Dawkins, Tremaine Edmonds, you get

903
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: down the list, Steph Diggs. Uh, they've got some foundational pieces.

904
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Speaker 1: So as long as those foundational pieces are in place,

905
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: certainly that window remains open in my eyes, And I

906
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: think it's their plan to refurbish and replace and stay

907
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: competitive year in year out, season over season, So I

908
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: don't really think this is more of a window per

909
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: se that they're thinking about it as and certainly in

910
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: the way they've handled their roster with the turnover and

911
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: they're there, I guess disdain for not for letting guys

912
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Speaker 1: go if they need to guys you love and respect

913
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: like gone. I think their willingness to do that shows

914
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Speaker 1: that they know what they're doing and can keep this

915
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Speaker 1: window prolonged opening even when good players come and go,

916
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Speaker 1: because they'll refurbish it with different kinds of players the way.

917
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Speaker 1: The difference in the twenty twenty team from the twenty

918
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: nineteen team was vast. They were a completely different type

919
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: of football team. They had a top five defense and

920
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: an okay offense did just enough in twenty nineteen. In

921
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, they had as good offense as there was

922
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Speaker 1: in the NFL and a defense that was middle of

923
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: the road. So I think they believe they can remain

924
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Speaker 1: competitive year in year out, year after year. There is

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Speaker 1: no window that will close. It's all about refurbishing a

926
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Speaker 1: roster and keeping out ahead of what you may need

927
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Speaker 1: in the future. I think you can do it that way.

928
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Speaker 1: But to me, it's about the quarterback. You know, if

929
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen continues to play at he doesn't have to

930
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: be second in the MVP voting every year. But you

931
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: know the thing about the teams that have those type

932
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks, Aaron Ryan, Van Roethlisberger, you know, Drew Brees.

933
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Speaker 1: These teams were you felt like they had a chance

934
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: to make the Super Bowl every single year because you

935
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: knew that quarterback was going to produce. So long as

936
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen stays at that level, the window remains open. Now,

937
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Speaker 1: you look at a lot of those teams, they didn't

938
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Speaker 1: go to many Super Bowls, so it takes all their

939
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: parts to get there. But you know, if the Bills

940
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: are going to look at it as we got to

941
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Speaker 1: keep the roster where it is now to keep that

942
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,959
Speaker 1: window open, that's a whole lot harder to do. It's

943
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: hard to find a Dion Dawkins every five years, or

944
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: a Tremaine Edmonds or a Trudavious White to be able

945
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: to continue to refurbish that roster all the time. If

946
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: you have the quarterback you can just depend on. Well,

947
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: the window is never going to close until the quarterback

948
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Speaker 1: decides that he's done. And I think that's where you

949
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: want to start from the window. It's gonna get harder

950
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Speaker 1: when the Bills pay Josh Allen because you can't keep

951
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: the rest of the roster up as well as the

952
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Speaker 1: Bills have so far. So to me, the window stays

953
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Speaker 1: open as long as Josh Allen stays at the level

954
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Speaker 1: he's been at last season. Steve Tasker, fed Brown here

955
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: on One Bills Live at the top of the hour.

956
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: We've got Trapasso from CBS, the NFL's draft analysts for

957
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: that website. We'll have him here at one o'clock coming up.

958
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: We've also got Tyler Dunne as well, Steve Tasker, Thad Brown,

959
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Steve Tasha bad Brown here,

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Speaker 1: One Bills Live and the coming to the top of

962
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 1: the hour, Chris Trapasso, CBS NFL draft analysts. We're gonna

963
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: get back to the tweet sheet and a minute. We've

964
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: been a nice discussion a minute ago about you know,

965
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: the window of the Buffalo Bills and they can they

966
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Speaker 1: keep it open? And I think you're right, you know

967
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: that it does all come down to the quarterback. But

968
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: I think if you've got all the pieces in place,

969
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got more quarterbacks in the NFL that

970
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: people think they might be able to win with than

971
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: we ever have in the history of the league. I

972
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Speaker 1: think you can go down the list, just in the

973
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: AFC and it starts with Mahomes and Josh and it

974
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: goes all the way down through the two rookie with

975
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow last year who's playing really well.

976
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: Now you've got you know, Trevor Lawrence. I mean, I

977
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: think you're right, But I do think there's more of

978
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: those guys to be had that you can win with

979
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: than ever before. I think people think those guys can,

980
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: but I mean Joe Burrow, what at three quarters of

981
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: the season for a team that won three games? And

982
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: I love Herbert, but you know he had a losing

983
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: season last year. There's still the jury is out on

984
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: many of these qbs before we brand them as you know,

985
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: guys that can keep the window open as long as

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00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna be upright. All right, Okay, Well, we're gonna

987
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: take a call from Martin in a minute. Martin from Wheatfield,

988
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: you might have to hang in there. You're gonna ask

989
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: me why I retired. I think you're nuts and not

990
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: to know. But hey, Martin, we might get to your

991
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: call after this. We're gonna have to take a break.

992
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: We're gonna have Chris Trapasso, CBS Sports Draft Analysts. He's

993
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: coming on after the break. Later on in the show,

994
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: Tyler Donne from Golong is coming back. We've got your

995
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: mail bag. We're gonna get to all of that and

996
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: more coming up on One Bill's Live. Right after the break.

997
00:48:53,280 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: Stay with us at a Steve Tasker who has been

998
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: all over the field. Kind of unique. He was kind

999
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: of a dual role player for you, Steve, Steve a blimp.

1000
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: We're not even in the strated here of normalcy here.

1001
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 1: Welcome back to One Bill's Life. Steve Tasker, Thad Brown

1002
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: with you for the next couple of hours. We're going

1003
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: to be joined now by CBS Sports draft analyst and

1004
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: the host of the Prospect Prospect podcast, Chris Trapasso. Chris,

1005
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, Steve Tasker, Thad Browne here. How

1006
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: are you doing. Are you getting to the end of

1007
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: the pandemic tolerance we all have? Yeah, I'm getting there

1008
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you guys having me. Thad and I

1009
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: were talking off air. I've gotten out to the golf

1010
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: course a little bit, so we really like to soak

1011
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: in June, in the beginning of July before really getting

1012
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: back into football season. You had a chance and just

1013
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: by happenstance. You've written about the Bills a couple of

1014
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: times on CBS Sports, and it's interesting you got and

1015
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: I like your articles because they agree with what I

1016
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Speaker 1: said coming up to the draft, basically because you feel

1017
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Speaker 1: like there's one thing the Bills got right in the draft,

1018
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Speaker 1: and there's one thing you wish they would have done

1019
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: in the draft that they didn't do what they got right.

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Speaker 1: And it was interesting to me because I was in

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Speaker 1: full agreement with this. They ignored the lure of getting

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Speaker 1: a running back to help their running bame and they

1023
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: stayed away from a tight end. What were your thoughts

1024
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Speaker 1: about why the Bills didn't need to go down that

1025
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: route in this draft. Well, first off, because the Bills

1026
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: are a pass oriented team. I mean last year during

1027
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Speaker 1: the regular season, Josh Allen threw the football five hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy two times and the Bills averaged thirty one

1029
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Speaker 1: points a game. So they were doing something right through

1030
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Speaker 1: the era. And there was really never a game last

1031
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: season watching the Bills where I thought, man, they need

1032
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Speaker 1: to run the football more so that for that reason alone,

1033
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Speaker 1: and me not being a big advocate of drafting and

1034
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Speaker 1: running back in the first round, I did not think

1035
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Speaker 1: they needed to pick a running back, and then to

1036
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Speaker 1: ignore the tight end beyond the class not being very

1037
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: good in terms of prospects, this Bills team is wide

1038
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,959
Speaker 1: receiver oriented. That eighty eight percent of the time last

1039
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Speaker 1: year the Bills sent out three or more wide receivers.

1040
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: That was the highest rate in the league. So to

1041
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: move the football as efficiently as they did and score points,

1042
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Speaker 1: they were running with wide receivers, not tight ends. I

1043
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: still think Dawson Knox has some unkept potential, and I

1044
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: think Jacob Hollister and Tommy Sweeney can be good deck

1045
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: tight ends. But this is a team that is really

1046
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: predicated and dedicated to passing the football to their wide receivers.

1047
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Speaker 1: So I was glad that the Bills did not pick

1048
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Speaker 1: a running back and did not pick a tight end

1049
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: because that's just not the makeup of this roster right now. Chris,

1050
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Speaker 1: on the flip side, I know you're concerned about the

1051
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: Bills draft. Was the first round pick greg Rousseau. What

1052
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: were specifically some of the issues you had with either

1053
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: the pick from the Bills point of view or just

1054
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Speaker 1: the way you project Rousseau going forward? And then how

1055
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Speaker 1: do the Bills maybe best handle Russo's development should there

1056
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: be some over the next season and change. Yeah, that's

1057
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Speaker 1: a really good question. I'll first start with my problems

1058
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Speaker 1: with the selection number one. I thought to have Josh

1059
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Speaker 1: Allen under that rookie contract for at least another year.

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00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: I was thinking in round one, to get over that hump,

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Speaker 1: to get to a Super Bowl er, to win a

1062
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, they should have probably been looking at more

1063
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: of an instant impact rookie. And even Brandon Bean said

1064
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: after the pick of Gregory Russo that that was more

1065
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: of a long term answer at the ad rusher spot

1066
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: as opposed to being someone that they think can come

1067
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: in and have ten to twelve to fifteen sacks as

1068
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: a rookie, and that just Rousseau as the player. I

1069
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: think the fifteen and a half sacks certainly got him

1070
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: on the draft radar as a true freshman. That's a

1071
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: pretty incredible feat for such a young player. But on film,

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00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: I didn't see a lot of one on one wins

1073
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: and a lot of his sacks were covered sacks four

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Speaker 1: and five seconds into the play. And to me, the

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00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: biggest shock that any defensive lineman faces once they get

1076
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: to the NFL is the size and the strength of

1077
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: NFL offensive lineman and I think that's an area in

1078
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: which Gregory Russo needs to get a lot bigger and

1079
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: stronger just to deal with the power that he's going

1080
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: to see against left and right tackles in the NFL.

1081
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: I think he can be a good rusher in two

1082
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: or three years, but I would have liked to see

1083
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: them go more instant impact with that thirtieth overall selection.

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Speaker 1: As a player analyst, do you have any have you

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00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: seen other teams and maybe you can give us an

1086
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: example of a guy like Rousseau, maybe not like him,

1087
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: but like a high draft pick or something we know,

1088
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: we kind of see how they handle quarterbacks. You got

1089
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: to give him weapons around them. You got to give

1090
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: him an offensive line. If if they don't have the

1091
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: elite trades, maybe you got to give him a running

1092
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: game that kind of thing. What about other positions that

1093
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 1: you know, how patient can teams be when they've got

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00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: a high draft pick, like a Greg Russo is a

1095
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, or an Ed Oliver is a defensive line

1096
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: or a j F Panessa. How patient have you teams

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00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 1: b with developing those players and getting them to their

1098
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: potential even though you know, a casual fan like as

1099
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: you might not see it, but it's still important to

1100
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: the development as for the team as a whole. Yeah,

1101
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: there's one recent example, and to kind of also answer

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Speaker 1: Thad's second question, Rashawn Gary in Green Bay with the Packers.

1103
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: When the Packers picked him in the twenty nineteen draft,

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00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: he was kind of similar to Gregory Rousseau that he

1105
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: was a physical freak, very athletic, popped on film, but

1106
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: the pass rushing moves weren't really there yet. And what

1107
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: the Packers did. They have Zadarius Smith, they have Preston Smith.

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00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: They didn't rush him into a six hundred, seven hundred,

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00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: eight hundred snap role as a rookie, and then last

1110
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: year in his second season, Rashaan Geary took a step forward.

1111
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: He spent most of his time learning pass rushing moves,

1112
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: understanding how to beat blockers in one on one situations.

1113
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: So I think by year two or year three, if

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00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: you're not getting, you know, those high level dividends from

1115
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: a first round pick, you have to start to get concerned.

1116
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: But the Bill should look at what the Packers did

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00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: with Rashawn Gary, another big recruit that was a good

1118
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: athlete but was a little bit raw using his hands

1119
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: to be blockers. Didn't really rush him into that major

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00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: role as a rookie, but then by year two and

1121
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: in the playoffs last season for the Packers, he was

1122
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: very productive. Well, Chris, a first round pick, has been

1123
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: paying dividends for the Bills quite a bit lately. As

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00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: Josh Allen and Steve and I talked last segment about

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00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: the window being opened, maybe as long as Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: stays at the MVP level. You recently wrote about how

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00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: Josh can do that, how he can take what he

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00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: did year three and continue that into year four. What

1129
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: are some of the keys and maybe some of the

1130
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 1: indicators fans should look for to see that Allen is

1131
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: remaining at that level this season. Well, the biggest indicator

1132
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: to predict future success for a quarterback is how well

1133
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 1: he plays from a clean pocket when he's not under pressure.

1134
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: And that kind of is sensible, right, like going to

1135
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: be under pressure maybe thirty or forty percent of the time,

1136
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: so the majority of your snaps you are going to

1137
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: have a clean pocket. And Josh Allen was sensational from

1138
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 1: a clean pocket last season. He had the league's highest

1139
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: completion percentage when he was not under pressure, even inside

1140
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 1: the pocket, if even if there was pressure, the fourth

1141
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: highest quarterback rating. So to look at those two stats

1142
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: can really say, hey, the Bill should feel good about

1143
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: Josh Allen going into year four. But the area that

1144
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 1: he needs to improve, and although he did make a

1145
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: lot of big plays outside of structure after he was

1146
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: pressure last season, we saw that in particular that San

1147
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine Ers Monday Night game really stands out

1148
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,959
Speaker 1: to me as a game where outside the pocket Josh

1149
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: Allen was amazing, but his accuracy when he was under

1150
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: pressure ranked twenty eighth out of thirty nine qualifying quarterbacks.

1151
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: So if we see Josh Allen take a step with

1152
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: his ball placement when he's under pressure and limit the

1153
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: regression that we're likely to see from just how supremely

1154
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: productive he was last year, we could see Josh Allen

1155
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: take another step and really be a quarterback that is

1156
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: an unquestionable elite passer in the NFL that could really

1157
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: dominate the league. How good was the offensive line of

1158
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills last year? I think it was maybe top

1159
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: half of the league, between top twelve to top sixteen.

1160
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: I don't think it was ever a huge liability, and

1161
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't think it was ever terrible. But we know

1162
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: that offensive lines are weak link units. So you can

1163
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: have four really good offensive linemen, but if one of

1164
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: your blockers is a big liability, then it can make

1165
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: the whole group look pretty bad. And I think truly

1166
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: in that AFC title game, the Guards had a lot

1167
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: of problems with what the Chiefs did upfront, and John

1168
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,919
Speaker 1: Feliciano gets resigned. I think to have that group back

1169
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: together again, completely gelled, will probably allow it to be

1170
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: a little bit better. But again, Josh Allen was fantastic,

1171
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: whether he was under pressure or not last season. I

1172
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: like the fact though for him the same offensive coordinator

1173
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: and the same offensive line coming back. It would be

1174
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: though a big help for the Bills if Cody Ford

1175
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: can get injected into that lineup at left guard, be

1176
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,439
Speaker 1: fully healthy, and play like a second round pick showed.

1177
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: If that can happen with John Fliciano, the two tackles

1178
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: that are very good, and then a very stabilizing force

1179
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: at center in Mitch Morris, I think we could be

1180
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: talking about one of the top ten offensive lines in

1181
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: the NFL. You know, Chris is a guy who studies

1182
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: the draft. You know that this division the Bills are

1183
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: in now is suddenly full of young and you know,

1184
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: incredibly unproven quarterbacks that you know have a variety of ceilings.

1185
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: But look at it, the three guys just for this year.

1186
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: I know a lot of it always has to do

1187
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: with what's around you, who's your offensive longe, who's your

1188
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: coaching staff. But when you look at Zach Wilson, Tua

1189
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: and Mac Jones just for the twenty twenty one season,

1190
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: which of the three guys do you think is maybe

1191
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: most concerning to what you know? Bills, the Bills and

1192
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: Bills fans hope will be another successful season and maybe

1193
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: the outlook for the three guys in general again just

1194
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: for the next twelve months. Yeah, this might comes as

1195
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: a surprise, but I think it's Zach Wilson. I like

1196
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: what the Jets GM Joe Douglas has done in his

1197
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,959
Speaker 1: almost two years being the general manager there in New York,

1198
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: and I think Zach Wilson will have a little bit

1199
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Speaker 1: of some shock once he's behind an offensive line that's

1200
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: not protecting him as well as that the YU offensive

1201
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: line is. But to have Corey Davis there, to have

1202
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: Elijah Moore, their second round pick of a very good

1203
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: and productive SEC wide receiver, and an offensive line that's

1204
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: a little bit better than what has been in the past,

1205
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: better coaching, certainly from Adam Gays. I think Zach Wilson,

1206
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: who was my number two quarterback in this draft class,

1207
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: has just the moxie, the athleticism to create outside the pocket,

1208
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: and the accuracy to be Maybe not a team that's

1209
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: gonna threaten the Bills and overtake the division, but I

1210
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be a lot more difficult than a

1211
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: lot of people believe, and maybe even more so individually

1212
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: at the quarterback spot than two or Mac Jones in

1213
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: Miami and with the Patriot. Do you think do the

1214
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: Jets have a good enough roster around Zach Wilson for

1215
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: him to make it through an entire year? Maybe start,

1216
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to start. It looks like all sixteen

1217
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: games or all seventeen games, that's the plan right now.

1218
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: Do they have enough people on that roster to you

1219
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: to keep him upright? I don't think yet. I like

1220
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: McKay Beckton, and they have kind of gone the low

1221
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: level free agent route to fill some other holes up front.

1222
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: And like I said, the BYU offensive line was a

1223
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: big reason why Zach Wilson had this breakout and went

1224
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: from an obscure quarterback prospect to the number two overall selection.

1225
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: I still think they're probably a year or two away

1226
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: from being a really good offensive line. But again, I

1227
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: think with the additions at the wide receiver group, Chris

1228
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: Herndon at tight end, I think he'll be able to

1229
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: get the ball out relatively quickly to mitigate some of

1230
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: the holes upfront. In New York, Chris, you know, expanding

1231
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: our viewpoint pass the division. You know, Baltimore, Lamar Jackson

1232
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: was an MVP, you know, just a season ago, and

1233
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: I think now kind of it feels like that the

1234
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: opinion of Lamar has settled at Yeah, he's really good

1235
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: and electric and all these things, but I don't know

1236
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: if he can throw the ball and do enough things

1237
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: that need to be done to really push Baltimore to

1238
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: that Buffalo Kansas City super Bowl level. What does he

1239
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: need to do? Maybe maybe nothing in your opinion, but

1240
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: what do you think he needs to do to go

1241
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: from the guy we see as you know, a fantasy

1242
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: stud to someone who can be a legitimate Super Bowl threat. Yeah.

1243
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: Writing this article on Lamar Jackson recently and doing the

1244
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: research watching the film, I realized that twenty nineteen MVP

1245
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson was pretty similar to twenty twenty Lamar Jackson

1246
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: that to a lot of people had a disappointing in

1247
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: a season where he regressed. It to me comes down to,

1248
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: and I think Bill's fans understand this what they're offensive

1249
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: coordinator Greg Roman does to evolve as a play caller

1250
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: that we saw in San Francisco with Colin Kaepernick and

1251
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: then in Buffalo with Tyrod Taylor. Greg Roman's offenses come

1252
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: out of the gate firing and teams aren't really sure

1253
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: how to stop such a ground and pound style offense

1254
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: with the quarterback that can run. But then by the

1255
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: second season they catch up to that and they really

1256
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: ask that quarterback to throw the football more and for

1257
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: as good as the Ravens will be on the ground,

1258
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: we know that with Lamar Jackson, with their running backs

1259
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: but their punishing offensive line, you're just not going to

1260
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: be able to move the football as efficiently as a

1261
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: team like the Bills or the Chiefs throwing the football

1262
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: five six hundred times this season. So I think Lamar

1263
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: Jackson will be fine. Individually, they added some pieces in

1264
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: the receiver group that were much needed. They drafted a

1265
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: receiver in the first round, they signed Sammy Watkins. But

1266
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: it really is more on Greg Roman going away from

1267
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: such a run heavy offense and saying, hey, it's year

1268
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: four of Lamar Jackson. Now let's put the football in

1269
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: his hands and see what he can do throwing the football.

1270
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: You're with Fad Brown Steve Tasker on one Bills Live.

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01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: We're speaking with Chris des Trepasso, CBS sports draft analysts

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Speaker 1: and also an NFL player analyst. You wrote about and

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Speaker 1: projected the Bills starters on both sides of the ball,

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Speaker 1: and for the most part, it's kind of easy, particularly

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Speaker 1: when they brought back twenty one of twenty two starters,

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Speaker 1: just to plug those guys back in. But if you're

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Speaker 1: really to put on your thinking cap and say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is a surprise a guy who probably is not

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Speaker 1: going to be there that was there last year, even

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Speaker 1: though he's on the roster, who gets replaced out of

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Speaker 1: that starting lineup on either side of the ball, Well,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't necessarily be the starting lineup, but I could

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Speaker 1: see the sixth round selection DeMar Hamlin, this safety, replacing

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Speaker 1: Serrand Neil as that nickel linebacker that they like to

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Speaker 1: use on occasion when they're facing you know, two tight

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Speaker 1: end sets or on third and long situations. I think

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Speaker 1: DeMar Hamlin is a little more athletic than Serrand Neil.

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Speaker 1: I think he's better in coverage. I mean, certainly, Serrand

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Speaker 1: Neil has been in the NFL for multiple seasons, and

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Speaker 1: we don't know what we're getting yet from Hamlin because

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Speaker 1: he is a rookie. But I really liked his film

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Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh. He's a very good tackler too. We always

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Speaker 1: hear Sean McDermott talk about the importance not just for

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Speaker 1: his linebackers and his defensive lineman, but for his secondary

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Speaker 1: members to be sure tacklers in space, and Damar Hamlin

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Speaker 1: loaded the stats sheet there at Pittsburgh. I think he

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Speaker 1: can be that extra defender in the box that can

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Speaker 1: be kind of a linebacker and then a safety when

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Speaker 1: he needed to cover down the field. Chris he wrote

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Speaker 1: about on one of the Bills undrafted free agents Quintin

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Speaker 1: Morris tight end as one of the top ten guys

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Speaker 1: in the league in terms of I guess potentially having

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Speaker 1: an impact. How much of that is Morris himself, and

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Speaker 1: maybe how much of that is you know, the opportunity

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Speaker 1: he might have in Buffalo with one of the few

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Speaker 1: offensive positions that don't have a superstar at it right now,

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Speaker 1: It's a pretty even mix. I watched Quintin Morris at

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Speaker 1: Bowling Green really late in the pre draft process, and

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Speaker 1: I was almost blown away with how good of a

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Speaker 1: receiver he was. That I went back and researched his

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Speaker 1: first three years at Bowling Green. Quintin Morris was a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver and he had almost eighty catches over a

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Speaker 1: thousand yards double digit touchdowns in those first three seasons.

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Speaker 1: They pack some weight on him, moved him to tight end.

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Speaker 1: I think he's got very strong hands, and certainly in

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Speaker 1: today's NFL you want your tight end to have somewhat

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Speaker 1: of a receiving background more so than being a blocker.

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Speaker 1: But it certainly is too a very good opportunity for him,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's part of the reason why he

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Speaker 1: signed in Buffalo, that he sees Dawson Knox in front

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Speaker 1: of him, Jacob Hollister, Tommy Sweeney, not a ridiculous group

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Speaker 1: of tight ends. I think if there is an undrafted

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Speaker 1: free agent that makes this team and makes an impact

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Speaker 1: like we've seen, like guys who like Levi Wallace in

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Speaker 1: the past and cal Roby Coleman, that will be Quintin

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Speaker 1: Morris this summer because of his receiving ability, sure hands

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Speaker 1: and how we can stretch the scene down the field. Yes,

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Speaker 1: she said that the Bills kind of stood pat in

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Speaker 1: signing Feliciano, Darryl Williams back to John Matt Milano back

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Speaker 1: into the fold and they, you know, they say, kind

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Speaker 1: of held and maybe treaded water, even Thad in our

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Speaker 1: last day before you came on thought the Bills, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of treaded water with their roster. There are, however,

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Speaker 1: and there's one article you wrote there where you put

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Speaker 1: the Bills in maybe the top ten in the league

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Speaker 1: for the offseason that they put together. When I looked

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Speaker 1: at it, it was easy to see why the new

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Speaker 1: names are like Mitch Trubisky, okay's a backup quarterback, but

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Speaker 1: much more in tune to what Josh Allen is capable

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Speaker 1: of doing, and a much better backup when you want

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Speaker 1: to run the same offense Mitch Trubisky, of course, Matt Breeda,

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Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders sending the two draft picks, Greg Russou and

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Speaker 1: Boogie Basham five names that are probably going to get

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Speaker 1: a chance to contribute it to a large degree over

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Speaker 1: the course of the season. Were those five names the

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Speaker 1: only thing that went into your evaluation and putting the

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Speaker 1: Bills into having a really nice offseason? No, I mean

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Speaker 1: not just those additions, because I think we've heard so

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Speaker 1: much about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and how they brought

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Speaker 1: everyone back, But the Buffalo Bills were a game away

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Speaker 1: from the Super Bowl, and like you said, Steve, they

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Speaker 1: basically brought everyone back too, and we saw it early

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Speaker 1: in mini camp that Matt Mlano said that the defense

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Speaker 1: is just playing faster than it ever has. That to

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Speaker 1: have that core group back and even a lot of

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Speaker 1: the role players I think was huge, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of those free agents, Matt Malano, John Fliciano, even Daryl

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Speaker 1: Williams at right tackle. A lot of people thought that

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Speaker 1: they were going to lose a few or all of

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Speaker 1: those players in free agency and that would have been

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Speaker 1: difficult for the Bills to replace all that production. I

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Speaker 1: think one other player too, and it's an interesting niche

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Speaker 1: role on this offense, mark Quis Stevenson, the sixth round

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Speaker 1: pick out of Houston. I had a much earlier grade,

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Speaker 1: a Day two grade on him to compete with Brandon

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Speaker 1: Powell and of course Isaiah McKenzie for not only the

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Speaker 1: kick return role, but that gadget type in the offense

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Speaker 1: that we know it's such a spaced out attack that

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Speaker 1: so much of it is going to be predicated on

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Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs and Cole Beasley getting it too, even Gabriel

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Speaker 1: Davis and obviously Emmanuel Sanders. There's room for someone like

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Speaker 1: mark Quis Stevenson, a sixth round pick to be a

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Speaker 1: low volume guy that can hit some big plays because

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Speaker 1: of his speed. So I think to stand pat like

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Speaker 1: you said, Steve, with a lot of those key layers,

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Speaker 1: and then bring in some low level veterans along with

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Speaker 1: a pretty good draft class. The Bill has had a

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Speaker 1: very good offseason, Chris. I know you're not prime or

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Speaker 1: only a draft guy for CBS, but that's your your

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Speaker 1: primary focus when you're someone who covers the draft specifically,

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Speaker 1: you know, what's the timeline of your work schedule? In

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Speaker 1: other words, like what are you doing right now? You

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Speaker 1: know it's it's early June. You know you're not going

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Speaker 1: to see any any of the twenty twenty two prospects

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Speaker 1: for another few months. What's kind of the thing you're

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Speaker 1: focused on right now to get ready for that next

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Speaker 1: draft cycle? You know it's gonna be eight nine months

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Speaker 1: down the road. Yeah, A lot of it is just

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Speaker 1: previewing the rookie class after watching and evaluating like three

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Speaker 1: hundred prospects during the pre draft process. That's what a

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Speaker 1: lot of my editors ask of me, like, hey, right,

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Speaker 1: as much preview stuff, give us as much of the

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Speaker 1: information that you have in your head about this rookie

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Speaker 1: class and then moving because this was my fourth draft

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Speaker 1: class at CBS evaluating these players. That's why they've kind

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Speaker 1: of moved me to being a young NFL player analysts

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Speaker 1: two so like second thirty year pros. My first draft

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Speaker 1: class was the Josh Allen draft class. That's why I

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Speaker 1: did this young Quarterback series. So a lot of it

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Speaker 1: is forward looking. And then once we get into July,

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Speaker 1: we start to see some storylines with these young players

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Speaker 1: at camp. I'll certainly right about that, but that is

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Speaker 1: where we really turn the page to the next draft

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Speaker 1: class to start watching some of these players before the

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Speaker 1: college football season begins. Chris last one for me, We've

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Speaker 1: we've seen a lot of cool We've talked a lot

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Speaker 1: about quarterbacks and you know, it's the most important position

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Speaker 1: in football, and we've this twenty eighteen draft class. We're

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Speaker 1: getting a real handle on what that class really was.

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnald, we may still not know he's down in Carolina.

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Speaker 1: What do you think is going to happen with Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold landing in Carolina. Matt Rule is a great coach,

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Speaker 1: great leader that he's got a players who really play

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Speaker 1: hard for him. Fresh start for Sam Darnald, What do

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Speaker 1: you think the result is going to be. I'm in

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Speaker 1: the minority that is not a Sam Donald believer, and

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Speaker 1: that does kind of go back to my evaluation of

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Speaker 1: him out the USC. I thought he was well overdrafted.

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Speaker 1: He led the NCAA in his final season at USC

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Speaker 1: in turnovers, but he still went number three overall, And

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Speaker 1: that's kind of the quarterback he was in New York.

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Speaker 1: And certainly you're right about the difference in coaching. Matt

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Speaker 1: Rule is a much better head coach than Adam Gasee,

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Speaker 1: and the skill position talent and the offensive line in

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Speaker 1: Carolina will be better than what it was in New York.

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Speaker 1: But I talked about it earlier with Josh Allen and

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Speaker 1: that clean pocket play is the most predictive year over

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Speaker 1: year statistic for a quarterback. We know that there have

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Speaker 1: been studies done, and everyone pointed to the fact that

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald was under pressure the second highest rate in

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Speaker 1: the NFL ash year. Well, actually, under pressure he was

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Speaker 1: pretty good. It was when the Jets offensive line protected

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Speaker 1: him well that all of his statistics almost across the

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Speaker 1: board were well below average and near the bottom of

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Speaker 1: the league. So even if the Panthers are protecting him better,

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Speaker 1: and there is better coaching and better skill position talent.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I've seen anything from Sam Donald

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Speaker 1: outside out of a game or two where he can

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Speaker 1: be a high level quarterback when he's protected well. Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen is at the top of that mountain. He is

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Speaker 1: dicing secondaries when he's well protected. But Sam Donald, I

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Speaker 1: still think, is very early on in his developmental process.

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be kind of a dicey situation in Carolina.

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Speaker 1: It's a better team and I don't think Sam Donald

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Speaker 1: is going to be terrible, but I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: going to morph into a franchise quarterback overnight. Christian the

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Speaker 1: FCS is a unique deal when it comes to quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: and that there's a there's a lot of young ones,

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Speaker 1: but you've kind of got a group, you know, Mahomes, Watson,

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Speaker 1: Allen who are young would have proven themselves, and then

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Speaker 1: you've got the Lawrence Borough, you know, Mac Jones to

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Speaker 1: a group that yeah, they we think they could be good,

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Speaker 1: but we're not quite sure yet of the two. You know,

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Speaker 1: which group maybe were you like, do the eighteen seventeen

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are they better than the twenty twenty one guys?

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Speaker 1: How are the two groups compare it? Because obviously we

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Speaker 1: haven't seen the latter group beyond the field in the

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Speaker 1: NFL yet. Should we expect the Wilson two of guys

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Speaker 1: that have the same kind of production we've seen from

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Speaker 1: Mahomes Allen Watson, which may not be fair because you know,

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Speaker 1: Mahomes looks like he might be an all timer. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'll say is this is that with the

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen draft class with Mahomes and Watson and then

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Speaker 1: Allen in twenty eighteen, what those two groups have, or

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Speaker 1: if you're going to group them into one collection, they

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Speaker 1: have the high level athleticism, and I don't think someone

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Speaker 1: like Tuah or even Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen. A

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Speaker 1: lot of these quarterbacks aren't able to extend plays on

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Speaker 1: a consistent bake on a consistent basis and make big plays.

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Speaker 1: And maybe five, ten, fifteen years ago it was all

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Speaker 1: about pocket play with Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees. But now we know, and Bill's fans have

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Speaker 1: a front seat to this, that you need to be

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Speaker 1: a high caliber athlete outside the pocket. The only guy

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Speaker 1: I think from some of these last couple of quarterback

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Speaker 1: classes that is even in the same realm as Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen and Petrick Mahomes is justin Herbert because of the

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Speaker 1: arm all ambi athleticism, But when it comes to two

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Speaker 1: and even Joe Burrow and Mac Jones, they lack that

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Speaker 1: ability when everything isn't perfect to make a play individually

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Speaker 1: with their iron talent or their athleticism outside the pocket.

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Speaker 1: He's Chris Trpasso, CBS Sports Draft Analysts. He's also the

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01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: host of the Prospect Prod podcast. Chris, thanks for coming

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01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 1: on with us. Appreciate the time. Thanks guys, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Thad Brown coming back at you on One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live, presented by Kalid to Health. This is Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bill's Radio. We'll be right back. Steve Tasker, Fat Brown

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01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: backward you on One Bill's Life or thanks to Chris

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01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: Trepasso CBS Sports. You can read his stuff at CBS

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01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 1: sports dot Com. A lot of stuff on there about

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01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, their offseason and what they can look

1492
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: forward to as well. We're gonna take a call in

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01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 1: a moment, and then we're gonna get to more of

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01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 1: your Friday mail bag posts to us here at one

1495
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: Bills Live. You can also call us at eight h

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01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 1: three oh five fifty or one eight eight five fifty

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01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: two five fifty. We're gonna take a call from Mark

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01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: in Wheatfield. Mark, you're on with Steve and Thad. What's

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01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: on your mind? Thank you for holding by the way,

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01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: If you're still there, Mark, can you hear me? Yeah?

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01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Sorry about the weight. I know you've been

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01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: on there for quite some time. This is yeah, you're

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01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: on one Bills Live. Go ahead. Yeah. I was just

1504
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 1: curious when you went to retire, was it injuries or

1505
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: family life? For both? Combines said, well, I think this

1506
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: is it. Well, to tell you the truth, it was

1507
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: because it got more and more difficult to get ready

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01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,879
Speaker 1: to play. I guess it's accumulate an accumulation of injuries,

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01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: but it was also the fact that it was so

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01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 1: hard because of having a train around. You know, a

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01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 1: sore shoulder or a sore niece or elbow, whatever, it

1512
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: was hard to get ready to play. Certainly, everybody knows

1513
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: that you can kind of gut it out and play

1514
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: for three hours on a Sunday afternoon, and I could

1515
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 1: do that, but I couldn't get ready to play well.

1516
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: So while I could show up for the games, I

1517
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: couldn't play well because I couldn't prepare well enough to play.

1518
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 1: And that's that's kind of what sucked it out of me.

1519
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: And I was ready to quit. And I was really

1520
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: thankful for the opportunity to stop playing rather than getting

1521
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 1: kicked out the door. Yeah. I love it when you

1522
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: played it. It was fabulous to watch you out there

1523
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 1: when when you were a receiver, you switched over and

1524
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: had went into receiving. Do we call the player on defense?

1525
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: I hit you the hardest, but you didn't want to

1526
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: show it. Yeah, like five thousand of them, I appreciate. No. Yeah,

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01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 1: it's a rough game. And I recognize that I knew

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01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,879
Speaker 1: this too. That one of the problems with me playing receiver,

1529
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 1: even late in my career, was that when you when

1530
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,679
Speaker 1: Jim liked to throw me the ball, he I thought

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01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: a lot like he thought. So when I play came

1532
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 1: a part or I needed to make an adjustment. I

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01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 1: made the adjustment exactly like he wanted me to make it,

1534
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: without ever us having ever having had the conversation. He

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01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: didn't have to tell me what to do. I kind

1536
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:11,759
Speaker 1: of knew what to do because I watched him play

1537
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 1: so much with great players, so he threw me the

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01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 1: ball a lot because he could count on me. The

1539
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 1: problem was he'd throw me the ball, and wherever the

1540
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: ball went, the violence followed, and so you know, I

1541
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 1: was getting beat up. So that's that's really why I

1542
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: could really play receiver in spots, but not really down

1543
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: after down a year after year, because I just I

1544
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: don't think I could have held up under the violence

1545
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: that the ball brought to me. So Mark, I appreciate

1546
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: that as a nice call, and I thanks for the

1547
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,600
Speaker 1: thoughts about my career. But I quit because it was

1548
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: time to quit, and I have never looked back. I

1549
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,600
Speaker 1: have never looked back. I don't know is that you

1550
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: know what I mean that? Because I just couldn't get

1551
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: ready to play. I could play for a minute, but

1552
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 1: I couldn't make myself play well because I couldn't prepare

1553
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 1: well enough. Well, it's fascinating the way you answered it,

1554
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 1: because at first I thought you were saying, well, you know,

1555
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,839
Speaker 1: I just I didn't. I was too hurt. I couldn't

1556
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: do it. But it sounds to me like the reason

1557
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: that you walk away wasn't that you couldn't withstand the

1558
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: pain or go through it, but you could not do

1559
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 1: what you had to do Monday through Saturday to put

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01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 1: yourself at a certain level on Sunday. Am I reading

1561
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 1: it that? Right? Yeah? That's right. And Plus when you

1562
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 1: play when it's hard to play well and you're not

1563
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: playing well and you kind of and you once did

1564
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: play pretty good, it kind of sucks the passion out

1565
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: of it. It becomes unfun. You know. It's not a

1566
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 1: joy to go out and run down after a kickoff

1567
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 1: when you can't keep up, you know. And that's that's

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01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 1: what it came down to for me. So and I

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01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: think it also speaks to how important, you know, Monday

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01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 1: through Saturday is. I mean, I think we just we

1571
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 1: overlook it and it's practice and even today, you know,

1572
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 1: I mean the practice is not now in terms of

1573
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: the physicality what it was, you know, even when you

1574
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: played let alone before that. So you know, I think

1575
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 1: we we you know a lot of us kind of

1576
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, rolled eyes whatever when we hear about how

1577
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: important Monday through Saturday is, But it isn't in so

1578
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 1: many ways that you don't understand unless you live it,

1579
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: like you did. Steve Task along with that Brown taking

1580
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:15,759
Speaker 1: your phone calls and one eighth, three oh five fifty

1581
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: as well two o'clock in the hour and the next hour,

1582
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna have Tyler Dunn of golong dot com coming

1583
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 1: on with us. He's gonna talk about the Bills and

1584
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 1: stuff around the National Football League. That and I've been

1585
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 1: talking about anything and everything put to us by you

1586
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,879
Speaker 1: through our mail bag. We'll go back to that, Mark Merlitz,

1587
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 1: Myrtle Lufts, Mertz Lufts. That's a long one. Do they

1588
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: make these names up on Twitter? I know they do?

1589
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: Right anyway? Yeah, Mark says this, How will the Bills

1590
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: secure Josh Allen seventeen and still be able to put

1591
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: pieces around him? That's that's really been the story of

1592
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: this offseason, right that, Not only I mean everybody knew

1593
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna pick up his option. I mean they're not

1594
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 1: gonna let Josh Allen walk. What's it gonna take to

1595
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: sign him? When's it gonna have, and how much is

1596
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: it gonna be, and what's it gonna make the team

1597
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: look like after it's done? Those are all huge questions

1598
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 1: that everybody's been asking. And I'll say this, Yes, they

1599
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: can sign him. They can probably get it done. This

1600
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: offseason if they really feel like it's important to do,

1601
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 1: and also they can structure it in such a way

1602
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 1: as to leave them some room, particularly to twenty twenty three,

1603
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 1: when the new TV deal kicks in, the cap will

1604
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 1: start to jump exponentially, and further down the line, he'll

1605
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 1: be cheaper and cheaper to keep, or a smaller and

1606
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: smaller percentage of the cap. So I think the structure

1607
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: of the deal that's Josh is gonna sign is going

1608
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: to be particularly important. The money will be there, they'll

1609
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 1: guarantee him whatever it takes to keep him. They'll make

1610
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: it attractive, and it's crazy as it sounds, They'll give

1611
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,640
Speaker 1: him a contract he can be proud of. When he

1612
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: goes around all the quarterback meetings, Right, so he talks

1613
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: to Mahomes and Deshaun Watson and Lamar Jackson and all that. Heagans, oh, yeah, yeah,

1614
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: I've got mine to you know, my contracts just as

1615
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: good as your guys, is right, Dak Prescott contracts. Don't

1616
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 1: give him a contract like that. How it's structures different too.

1617
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: I think another part of it too is that, you know,

1618
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: I think these guys feel responsibility to continue to push

1619
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: the envelope because if Josh Allen makes a little more

1620
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: than the last guy, the next guy and make a

1621
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: little more than him, it's good for everybody. So there's

1622
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 1: another part of this too where a lot of the Bills,

1623
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of contracts signed recently where I

1624
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,680
Speaker 1: think many of us feel like the Bills, I don't

1625
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 1: want to say got the better end of the deal,

1626
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 1: but but certainly didn't have to pay through the nose

1627
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 1: Matt Mulano, you know, Dion Dawkins to keep these guys.

1628
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: So I think Josh Allen will certainly, you know, work

1629
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: with the Bills because everybody likes being here. You know,

1630
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: this is a culture in a locker room that these

1631
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: guys you don't have to There's an amount of money

1632
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: that you can take out of the contract that's worth

1633
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 1: it to these guys just for being in that locker room.

1634
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 1: So I think the contract will, you know, be something

1635
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: that everybody can feel good about. I think Josh will

1636
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: do right by his players union, he'll do right by

1637
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: the Bills. And in terms of when it happens, you know,

1638
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 1: the Bills still had that contract restructure with Stefan Diggs

1639
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,560
Speaker 1: that they haven't really spent yet, you know, and to me,

1640
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 1: there was no way the Bills were doing that for

1641
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 1: no reason. There's something that's coming, there's another sue that's dropping.

1642
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,759
Speaker 1: And if it's not going to be signing a corner

1643
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: like Steve Nelson or Zach Ertz or any of the

1644
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,560
Speaker 1: number moves that were rumored, to me, it's gonna be

1645
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: signing Josh Allen. So I wouldn't be stunned if this

1646
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: thing gets done in the next few weeks, because there

1647
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 1: already has been a move to create space for it. Yeah,

1648
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,759
Speaker 1: the seven point five they's cleared up was with Steph

1649
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 1: Diggs contract. Though it doesn't seem like it's gonna be enough. Well,

1650
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 1: you can move money around. You do it a bunch

1651
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 1: of different ways. I mean, the money that's going to

1652
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 1: be allocated for this season probably won't be anywhere you're

1653
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,639
Speaker 1: near the cap hits or the requirements that the Bills

1654
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: will need down the road and either. The other good

1655
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: part of this from from the Bill Spans point of

1656
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 1: view is that Bill's kind of got the shortened the

1657
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: snake this year with COVID. This should have been the

1658
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:04,599
Speaker 1: last year with Josh Owen's rookie contract, where you can,

1659
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, go out and free agency and sign this

1660
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 1: and this and this and this and give big money.

1661
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: But because of COVID, the salary cap dropped and the

1662
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 1: Bills lost that year. But on the flip side, when

1663
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 1: the salary cap and I'm projecting and guessing here a

1664
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: little bit speculating when the salary cap rebound rebounds it

1665
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 1: and returns to where it was before, I think the

1666
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: Bills are gonna have more room in twenty two and

1667
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:29,799
Speaker 1: twenty three than teams would normally have with a freshly

1668
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 1: long term signed quarterback, not a ton, but it won't

1669
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: be the same deal as many rookie quarterbacks where once

1670
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: you signed that deal, you know, the windows closed and

1671
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 1: the roster has to be you know, nipped and tucked

1672
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: to where you can find every corner to save to

1673
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: make sure you're under the cap every year. I think

1674
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: the Bills well a little bit extra room next couple

1675
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: of seasons. I agree with you too. They're in a

1676
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 1: normal setting this offseason and the next four or five, six, seven,

1677
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 1: eight weeks or before the regular season begins. This is

1678
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 1: when Josh at his extension would have normally gotten done,

1679
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 1: no question about it. Now with COVID and the cap

1680
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 1: and all that, and maybe they'll say, Josh, we're gonna

1681
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: do this. We're gonna we can agree to the terms now,

1682
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 1: but we're not gonna sign this thing until next offseason,

1683
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 1: like June first of next year or whatever. But yes,

1684
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 1: in a perfect world, this is when it would have

1685
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 1: gotten done. Maybe COVID changes that, and there's still a

1686
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: chance that could get done. And well, you know, obviously

1687
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 1: we're all going to be watching to see what the

1688
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 1: move financial moves are of the club and see how

1689
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 1: much cap space they've got and and that will tell

1690
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: us whether they get close to doing it. But there

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01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,440
Speaker 1: is a chance that they'll get done in this offseason.

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01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 1: But they've still got plenty of time to get it done.

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01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: Josh wants to be here. The club obviously wants him here,

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01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 1: and so it's not a question if as a question

1695
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: of when and what it's going to look like, and

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01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 1: as far as crippling the team to put pieces around him,

1697
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: you can do it. They'll do it, and they'll they'll

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01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 1: sign guys to short term deals. They'll they'll not commit

1699
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 1: that much cap space in a year to year year

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01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 1: over year, they won't have much dead cap space going forward.

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01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 1: There are teams that are writing the template. Now, the

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01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 1: Colts have been very good at making sure they have

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01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 1: cap money every single year. I mean you can look

1704
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 1: at their cap numbers and see over the last three

1705
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 1: years they've had it seems like they've been to the

1706
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: top two or three every off season for how much

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01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:22,839
Speaker 1: money they have to spend. So that kind of template

1708
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: is there to be made and there to be used

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01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 1: for the Buffalo Bills. Now, then again, the Colts don't

1710
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 1: have a Josh Allen. You know, they've lost Andrew Luck.

1711
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: They had Philip Rivers for a one year deal. Now

1712
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 1: they've got Carson Wentz signed. Now, Carson Wentz comes with

1713
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 1: a price tag, and we'll see if that puts a

1714
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: dent in their money in the off seasons going forward.

1715
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: But there are teams out there, the parentally lettle money

1716
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 1: to spend, but not very many who have won the

1717
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with money to spend. So we'll see where

1718
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 1: this Josh Allen extension takes us and how far down

1719
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 1: the road we get. Not yeah right, I mean I'm

1720
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 1: with you though, Yeah. To me. The thing with joshness,

1721
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: I want to see how many years he signs for you. Know,

1722
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: is he gonna do a ten year Pat Mahomes deal,

1723
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 1: because I think that deal when you get the year six, seven, eight,

1724
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: is gonna look relatively cheap. Or it could you know,

1725
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 1: if Allen signs maybe a Deshaun Watson deal, which is

1726
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: a four or five year thing. Now he's a guy

1727
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: it's thinking, all right, I'm gonna have my extension. I'm

1728
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 1: gonna cash in, but I want to be leave room

1729
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 1: to do that again in the not too distant future.

1730
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 1: And look, I think either way it's not gonna crippling

1731
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 1: is the wrong word. Is it gonna be, you know,

1732
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 1: an obstacle to get around? Sure, but I don't think

1733
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's gonna sign anything that cripples his bills. Teams right,

1734
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 1: and a lot of things we've seen in the past too.

1735
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,640
Speaker 1: Think about this. They either they come one way or

1736
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 1: the other. Either they're really expensive out of the gate,

1737
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:46,560
Speaker 1: and they get cheaper and cheaper and cheaper, and the

1738
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:48,600
Speaker 1: player doesn't see the end. He sees the end of it,

1739
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 1: but he's not happy because he's still playing well. He

1740
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 1: wants a new deal before it's over whatever, Or we've

1741
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 1: seen at the opposite where they give him a good bonus,

1742
01:25:56,280 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 1: cheap salaries throughout the contract, and at the end he's

1743
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 1: got a huge cap hit that the club can't stand

1744
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 1: and they don't like him anymore either, right. I think

1745
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: the key thing to it is is giving it an

1746
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: out at any given moment for the player and the

1747
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 1: team or whatever, making the player happy financially, making it

1748
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 1: so the cap hit is lower than, you know, low

1749
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 1: enough so it doesn't cripple you in your offseason and

1750
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 1: the ability to put together a good roster, and that's

1751
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 1: hard to do. The Chiefs did a really nice job

1752
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 1: in it because Mahome's money doesn't really kick in for

1753
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 1: another two years, and then he also gets a big

1754
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 1: balloon payment in like twenty twenty seven where he gets

1755
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 1: like a sixty seven million dollar check. That kind of

1756
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 1: structure seems nice now because they don't have any obligations

1757
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 1: to him for another four or five years, and by

1758
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: that time, the CAP's going to be in a very

1759
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: different place. Is he still playing good enough? It's a dance,

1760
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, it really is about what what do you

1761
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 1: want to give up? What do you want want to accept?

1762
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 1: You know, do you want to, like you said, build

1763
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 1: it so that you can create space for you now,

1764
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 1: because the Bills can sign Josh Allen to an extension

1765
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:10,600
Speaker 1: that has next to zero kap it this year. I

1766
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 1: mean you could. You can make that work to where

1767
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: you want to make it. At your extension, give him

1768
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:18,719
Speaker 1: a sixteen million dollar bonus um say his base salary

1769
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 1: next year is thirty million. That might be gigundas for

1770
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 1: twenty two, but the cap it for this year is

1771
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 1: like two million dollars. So you can do whatever you want,

1772
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 1: but it is about what issues, what problems are you

1773
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: willing to accept in favor of whatever relief you want

1774
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: to provide now in the future however you want to

1775
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 1: set it up. Yeah. Yeah, the minute we can predict

1776
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: the future, we become geniuses and everything's all our problems

1777
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 1: are solved. That Brown Steve Tasker not right, that Brown

1778
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker in We're at top of the hour. Tyler

1779
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 1: Dunn will join us from golong dot com. Thanks for

1780
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: being with us. We'll be back after the break. One

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01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health. This is Buffalo Bills Radio.

1782
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 1: Welcome back to one of Bill's Live. Steve Tasker Thad

1783
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 1: Brown Fad, Thanks for bearing with me. I'm hosting this thing,

1784
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, every so often, it's nice

1785
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 1: for me to kind of hone my skills as a

1786
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 1: host to get us in and out of the breaks.

1787
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: It's up. I am ripping it up today. I'm horrible.

1788
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: I am so struggling, so bad. Thanks for hanging in

1789
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,639
Speaker 1: there with me. It's all a skill, man. You gotta

1790
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 1: you gotta wrap it, you gotta practice it. You know,

1791
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 1: maybe not doing enough metal reps. Next time you're Brownie,

1792
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:30,599
Speaker 1: you take note of what he's doing when he's coming

1793
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 1: in another I do. Nobody sits closer to him than me.

1794
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 1: I take very I take plays. Because you're sitting next

1795
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 1: to it does not mean you're paying I paid close

1796
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: attention to Brownie. I paid close attention to him. But so, anybody,

1797
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 1: if you want it on this show, come on a

1798
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 1: head and give us a call at one eight eight

1799
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty, or you can call us

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01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 1: locally at eight oh three oh five fifty. We've got

1801
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of people tweeting at us about questions. This

1802
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 1: is Friday, so we got our mail bag going. If

1803
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 1: you have any kind of questions or comments about the

1804
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 1: Bills their offseason and all that stuff that's going on.

1805
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 1: You can tweet at us or call us and let

1806
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 1: us know we've got one from our tweet she let's

1807
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: do this last tweet sheet here. This is with Traubisky.

1808
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 1: This is from Rusty Shackelford. Rusty says, with Trubisky, does

1809
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,719
Speaker 1: Jake From make the team as the number three quarterback?

1810
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 1: It seems unlikely they'll keep three quarterbacks. But if they

1811
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 1: did draft the kid, but they did draft the kid,

1812
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 1: could Jake From be traded? I don't think he'd make

1813
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 1: it to the practice squad from the Bills. Sounds like

1814
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 1: Richmond Webb may be a practice squad guy again, and

1815
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: if the NFL allows, they might want him for a

1816
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 1: future quarterback coach as well, because Davis Webb has been

1817
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 1: known to be that type of guy. What do you

1818
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 1: think about the quarterbacks? How they'll shake out? Certainly it's

1819
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 1: Josh then Mitch Trubisky. What do you think happens with

1820
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 1: Richmond Webb and Jake From? Best guess Davis Webb. I

1821
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 1: think David was going to be on the roster one way,

1822
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 1: shape or form, whether it's practice squad or otherwise. I

1823
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 1: don't think Jake From is going to be tradeable. I mean,

1824
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 1: he hasn't been very good at all. And I'll keep

1825
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 1: in mind, you know, we have we have no NFL

1826
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 1: film on Jake From because he hasn't even played a

1827
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: preseason game. So if he goes into the preseason and

1828
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 1: lights it up, he's gonna get chances for sure, then

1829
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 1: maybe that becomes a different situation. But I think From

1830
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 1: is very much on the bubble to make the roster um,

1831
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, from what we've seen of him and limited

1832
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 1: uh you know, whether even go back to last year,

1833
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:21,559
Speaker 1: you know, he's not looked like a guy that really

1834
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 1: has much of a future in the NFL. We'll see,

1835
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:26,680
Speaker 1: because again there's been so little, you know, sample to

1836
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 1: judge from him. But he's in some trouble to make

1837
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 1: the roster for sure, don't. We don't have enough information

1838
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 1: about rich I say Richmond Webb because he's in a

1839
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 1: former offensive lineman I played with in the program, right,

1840
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 1: Davis Webb. Either Davis Webb and Jake From. We don't

1841
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 1: have any information on these guys. They got through entire

1842
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 1: year last the entire season last year, we never saw

1843
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:47,600
Speaker 1: him take a snap in practice, never saw him in

1844
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 1: a preseason game. At least we'll have be afforded that benefit.

1845
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 1: This year, we'll get to see him in some preseason

1846
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: games and make an evaluation on our own as fans

1847
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: and media people. But until that happens, I don't think

1848
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,759
Speaker 1: we can even guess which won the Bills. Like certainly,

1849
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of spoken about Davis Webb and

1850
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 1: his coaching attitude and the fact that he's made it

1851
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: very clear he would love to get into coaching when

1852
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 1: he's done playing. He's been a real asset to Josh

1853
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: Allen in the offseason workouts. He shows up, he knows

1854
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 1: the offense. It's been a huge plus for I think

1855
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 1: he's been one of those role players that will go

1856
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 1: unsung even if this team manages to go to and

1857
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl, and he's going to have helped

1858
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 1: him do that even when he didn't hasn't taken a snap.

1859
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't think we can tell what's gonna

1860
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 1: happen with these quarterbacks. But if you get past Josh

1861
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:38,680
Speaker 1: Allen and Mitch Trubisky, no matter who it is, I

1862
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna I think it's gonna be irrelevant. Yeah,

1863
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 1: I mean, the one thing he'd mind with Davis Webb too.

1864
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 1: I think was Brian Dable actually who called him like

1865
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 1: the player who's contributed the most as someone who doesn't play,

1866
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 1: I mean the person who's contributed the most behind the scene.

1867
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 1: So you know Davis Webb is going to be on,

1868
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 1: you know is going to be at least in the

1869
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,679
Speaker 1: building as a player, whether it's practice squad or from

1870
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 1: is the question one one eight fifty two five fifty

1871
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 1: or eight h three oh five fifty. You can give

1872
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 1: us a call after the break, Tyler Dunn of golongtd

1873
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 1: dot com. We'll be on with us. We're gonna take

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01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 1: a break. One Bills Live, presented by Clyde to Health.

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01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. We'll be right back at

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01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 1: a Steve Tasker who has been all all other fields,

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01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 1: kind of unique. He was kind of a dual role

1878
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 1: player for you, Steve, Steve a blimp. We're not even

1879
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 1: in the strated here of normalcy. Welcome back to the

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01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 1: third hour of One Bills Live. Steve Tasker and being

1881
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 1: helped along today by Thad Brown, sitting in for Chris Brown.

1882
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 1: Chris Brown on vacation, a well deserved vacation, Thad Brown

1883
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 1: putting up with me as a host of this show.

1884
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 1: It's been a little rough at times, but we're making

1885
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 1: it through and we're pleased to be joined now by

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01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 1: a good friend of the show, Tyler Dunn of golongtd

1887
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 1: dot com. Tyler, thanks for coming on. We appreciate it.

1888
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 1: How how's this Friday treating you? It's great, Steve Dad great,

1889
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 1: great to be here too, Awesome, awesome fellows like yourself. Man, then,

1890
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 1: thanks for having me and Steve. I don't know if

1891
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 1: I've seen you since I are Happy Hour. Thanks for

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01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 1: coming on a few weeks back. Guys, loved it and

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01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 1: it was great having you. Yeah, I did a lot

1894
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,719
Speaker 1: of I did a lot of crazy things during the pandemic, Tyler,

1895
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 1: I can just tell you that right now. So I'm glad.

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01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 1: It's fun when when you learn how to do the

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Speaker 1: zoom thing, the world opens up to you right during

1898
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 1: the pandemic and talk to anybody anywhere, anytime. Yeah, it

1899
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 1: was fun. I appreciate the thanks for having me on.

1900
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 1: You got it, and I'm glad that we're able to

1901
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:52,639
Speaker 1: soon get together in person. You know. It's it's good

1902
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 1: to kind of see the NFL coming around on that,

1903
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 1: letting us in those locker rooms, so be good to

1904
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,599
Speaker 1: kind of see players again and get back to normal

1905
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 1: sit I like having you on Tyler because you kind

1906
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 1: of jump around the NFL. You go past present, every

1907
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 1: team in the league. You jump all over, and so

1908
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 1: we can we can talk to you about some subjects

1909
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 1: that you know, they get outside of Western New York

1910
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 1: and outside the Bills, and you know, there's so much

1911
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 1: going on and we talk about it once in a while,

1912
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 1: but never really in depth. And we can start by,

1913
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, with the headline stuff around the NFL, about

1914
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:25,880
Speaker 1: you know, the stuff going on with Aaron Rodgers in

1915
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 1: green Bay. It's a Buffalo and green Bay have had

1916
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of a unique relationship because they're both

1917
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 1: very small markets. But green Bay stands by itself in

1918
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 1: that there's no owner that anybody has to answer to.

1919
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 1: And over the last couple of decades with Brett Farve

1920
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 1: now Aaron Rodgers, we've seen that dynamic play out in

1921
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 1: a way that's different than we ever had before. How

1922
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:51,640
Speaker 1: do you think this little scenario with Aaron Rodgers and

1923
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 1: and I've called it a flex I mean he's flexing,

1924
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:57,599
Speaker 1: and you know, how do you think this is gonna

1925
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 1: work out, right, he got you have the pride of Clarence,

1926
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 1: New York in the middle of it all right with

1927
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 1: Mark Murphy, right, I mean, he's the de facto owner here,

1928
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 1: I guess as the president's CEO. You know, I've been

1929
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:12,720
Speaker 1: talking to people close to the quarterback, close to the

1930
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 1: team players on the team themselves. It keeps coming back

1931
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:21,560
Speaker 1: to that same theme that he needs people fired to

1932
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:24,759
Speaker 1: play for the Green Bay Packers again. And it's crazy

1933
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 1: to even say that because, as we probably have talked about,

1934
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:30,120
Speaker 1: like where else would you rather be? I mean, they're

1935
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:32,680
Speaker 1: willing to pay him more than any quarterback. They have

1936
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: a deep, talented roster. Brian Gudikins, who interviewed for the

1937
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 1: Bill's job back when Brandon Bean was hired, I believe

1938
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 1: has done just as good of a job as Brandon

1939
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 1: being out there in Green Bay with with that roster,

1940
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 1: he's got the freedom at the line of scrimmage, he

1941
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:47,680
Speaker 1: can change plays, he can do whatever the heck he

1942
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 1: wants up there. So I don't get it, but something

1943
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 1: is in his brain that he can't get out of

1944
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 1: eat obviously the Jordan loved draft pick. He can't get

1945
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:59,639
Speaker 1: past that, even though the balls literally in his court,

1946
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 1: in his hands, as long as he's good, he'll force

1947
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:05,200
Speaker 1: in the trade Jordan Love however he slice it. Though

1948
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:08,800
Speaker 1: he's ticked off. He wants Goodkins fired, They're not gonna

1949
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 1: fire Goodakants. I don't think he plays for the Packers

1950
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 1: this season. I would be surprised if he plays for

1951
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 1: the Packers. And I think Green Bay at some point

1952
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 1: is gonna have to look in the mirror and realize

1953
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 1: this is about a stubborn of a star, as you're

1954
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 1: gonna see in the sports and he cuts people out

1955
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 1: of his life, friends, family, dawn. If the GM's gone,

1956
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 1: he ain't change in his mind. So I'd be shocked

1957
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:34,880
Speaker 1: if he just puts a big old smile on his

1958
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 1: face and returns Tyler. You know, since this story really

1959
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 1: broke on the day around one of the NFL draft,

1960
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Aaron Rodgers has been story one or one

1961
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 1: A I mean every day of the NFL cycle for

1962
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:50,559
Speaker 1: what two months, month and a half whatever it is now.

1963
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 1: And I know you've been long, you know, connected and

1964
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 1: a guy who really knows the organization well, so you've

1965
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 1: been required and requested to do what you're doing with

1966
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 1: us right now, we'll just talk about Aaron Rodgers for

1967
01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 1: the last month and a half. So, simply put, are

1968
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:12,640
Speaker 1: you tired of it? You know, not really, because it's fascinated.

1969
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's unreal that it got to this

1970
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 1: point that you know, a three time league MVP, one

1971
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:22,559
Speaker 1: of the best players ever on one of the most

1972
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 1: iconic sports franchises. Is is this upset? You know, this

1973
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:32,600
Speaker 1: ticked off, this far gone that he just loads the

1974
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 1: team that he just took to an NFC championship twice

1975
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 1: in a row, a team that wants to pay him

1976
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 1: a lot of money. It it doesn't really compute, but

1977
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 1: it's I don't really get sick of it because it

1978
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 1: kind of goes beyond you know, contract stuff. It goes

1979
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:50,400
Speaker 1: beyond depth charts and playbooks, and it's about human beings.

1980
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 1: This game is about human beings, and and Aaron Rodgers

1981
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 1: is as complicated of a fella. Mark Murphy is correct

1982
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 1: to call him a complicated fella as you're gonna find

1983
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:02,640
Speaker 1: in sports. I mean it, like I said, like he

1984
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 1: has an all he's an all time grudge holder. It's

1985
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:07,599
Speaker 1: part of what makes him great. You know, the fact

1986
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 1: that he'll read an article be upset about it. You know,

1987
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,120
Speaker 1: he never got past the Alex Smith decision that Mike

1988
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 1: McCarthy made when he was with San Francisco. There's such

1989
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 1: a human element here with Aaron Rodgers that that's really

1990
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 1: really fascinating. So the answer a question, I don't get

1991
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 1: sick of it, and I don't think that he returns

1992
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:27,760
Speaker 1: because of his personality. Well, they're eighty nine other guys

1993
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:29,599
Speaker 1: on the roster at this time of year who are

1994
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 1: looking at Aaron Rodgers not being there, and they've got

1995
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:35,679
Speaker 1: to play and act and practice like he's not gonna

1996
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 1: be there. They got their own careers to worry about

1997
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:41,519
Speaker 1: what happens inside the locker room, and how many guys

1998
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:43,639
Speaker 1: are gonna be willing to say, Okay, Jordan Love, you're

1999
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:47,599
Speaker 1: our guy. You know. I think they obviously want Aaron

2000
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 1: Rodgers to be the quarterback. If nothing else, he's gonna

2001
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 1: make you a lot of money. You know, if he's

2002
01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 1: under center, he's throwing you passes as he's handing the ball.

2003
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:56,720
Speaker 1: If you're on defense, and you don't have to hold

2004
01:38:56,720 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 1: a team to thirty points, like you're gonna financially make

2005
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:05,680
Speaker 1: out because he's the quarterback. But football is about much,

2006
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 1: much more than everything we're talking about, right. It's it's

2007
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 1: a foundation, it's a culture, and a culture it's tough

2008
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: to instill, and it's tough to hold together. And if

2009
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna allow one player to hold you hostage to

2010
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 1: this degree, that's what Aaron Rodgers is doing. He's hold

2011
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:21,640
Speaker 1: him hostage at some point. If you're a player in

2012
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:24,120
Speaker 1: that locker room, and I've talked to a couple in there,

2013
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 1: they're upset like they want some not not necessarily an

2014
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. They want the team to be decisive and

2015
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 1: go on the offensive and say, look, you're not here,

2016
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 1: so we are moving on from you. We have a

2017
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 1: season to prepare for, we have a culture doing Still,

2018
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 1: I get it. You know, his talent level is such that,

2019
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, like Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and anybody in

2020
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 1: any sport who's a transcendent talent, you put up with

2021
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 1: a certain amount of bs. You put up with a

2022
01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 1: certain amount of drama and the Jerry Krause text messages

2023
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:59,680
Speaker 1: and the I'm offended shirts and the jabs, and I

2024
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 1: mean he's as passive aggressive as it gets in sports.

2025
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:03,680
Speaker 1: You put up with a certain amount, but I think

2026
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:05,599
Speaker 1: they should be at that point they wanted training camp

2027
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 1: where they say enough is enough. We're training to Denver,

2028
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,439
Speaker 1: to Vegas to Miami because we have a season to

2029
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 1: prepare for. It's gonna get to that point of just

2030
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 1: being ridiculous for green Bay. I would think, I would

2031
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:22,519
Speaker 1: hope the one thing Tyler that could solve this problem

2032
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,640
Speaker 1: would be Jordan Love looking like the second coming. And

2033
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, there hasn't been a lot because obviously he

2034
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 1: was Aaron Rodgers took all the first team reps last year.

2035
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:33,240
Speaker 1: But now with Rodgers out of the mix for this

2036
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:36,560
Speaker 1: off of spring ball, Love was able to show what

2037
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:38,760
Speaker 1: he can do. Has there been any change in the

2038
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 1: opinion of Love to where maybe green Bay would be

2039
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:44,920
Speaker 1: more or even less William to move on from Rodgers

2040
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:47,120
Speaker 1: because of what they've seen from Love so far. You

2041
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 1: know that that's a great point that I think that

2042
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 1: was a silver lining with Aaron Rodgers kind of. I

2043
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 1: guess it's a hissy fit, whatever you want to call it,

2044
01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 1: with him being upset and not showing up as you

2045
01:40:59,120 --> 01:41:01,240
Speaker 1: get to see Jordan Love with the first team offense

2046
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:03,600
Speaker 1: throwing the ball to DeVante Adams, handing the ball to

2047
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones working behind that starting offensive line. They never

2048
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 1: got to see him last year be himself. He was

2049
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:12,200
Speaker 1: on the scout team start to finish, pretending to be

2050
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks while they're throwing the playbook at him. You know,

2051
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:17,920
Speaker 1: I think his head was spinning and he never had

2052
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 1: the opportunity to really show what he can do. And

2053
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:23,640
Speaker 1: he's got a big arm, he's athletic. I think the

2054
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:26,960
Speaker 1: Packers liked the fact that Utah State when he was there,

2055
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 1: that there it was chaos around him. He had starters

2056
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 1: out that that final year. I mean it was he

2057
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 1: had no talent. He had one star guys, two star guys.

2058
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:36,600
Speaker 1: I think they liked the fact that he had to improvise,

2059
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 1: throwoff platform and do those kinds of things. So now

2060
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 1: you incorporate that player into your offense and if you

2061
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 1: like what you see, that gives you some leverage. That

2062
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:48,680
Speaker 1: that gives you belief that it doesn't have to be

2063
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:50,800
Speaker 1: gloom and doom on the other side, And that's kind

2064
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:52,720
Speaker 1: of what I've been writing it go along, is it

2065
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:57,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be apocalyptic. I can remember Packer fans

2066
01:41:57,760 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 1: losing their minds in two thousand and eight. I mean

2067
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 1: Brett five wanted back in. Aaron Rodgers wants out. Five

2068
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 1: wanted back in. After he took them to the NFC

2069
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 1: Championship game, after he threw twenty eight touchdowns four thousand yards,

2070
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 1: it looked like he just found the fountain of youth.

2071
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:14,679
Speaker 1: And Ted Thompson said, no, we're rolling with Aaron Rodgers.

2072
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe ten percent of the fans agreed with that,

2073
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 1: but he was proven right, and he saw that there

2074
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:24,040
Speaker 1: were brighter days ahead. If the Packers see those brighter

2075
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:26,760
Speaker 1: days with Jordan Love, you shipp Aaron Rodgers out of

2076
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:30,680
Speaker 1: ashwabin on Wisconsin faster than you can blame. We're with

2077
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 1: Tyler Dunn on one Bill's Live of golongtd dot com. Tyler,

2078
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 1: there's another quarterback that early on in the offseason it

2079
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 1: looked like he was gonna be in the same boat

2080
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:42,559
Speaker 1: as Aaron Rodgers. Now it all seems honky dory in Seattle,

2081
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:46,639
Speaker 1: you know, Russ Wilson and Pete Carroll or all buddy

2082
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 1: buddy again, Rusted. I never really wanted to ask for

2083
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:54,000
Speaker 1: a trade, you know, and I that had to be

2084
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 1: for as stubborn as Aaron Rodgers is and has been.

2085
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:03,680
Speaker 1: Russ Wilson looks just the opposite, right, I mean he

2086
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:08,679
Speaker 1: wanted out absolutely. Yeah. What I was told by somebody

2087
01:43:09,479 --> 01:43:12,720
Speaker 1: very familiar with Russell Wilson and his inner circle is

2088
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 1: that it was a desire to be an NFL owner

2089
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:18,360
Speaker 1: one day. It's hard to connect these dots, but you know,

2090
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 1: Dallas Vegas and Chicago were on that list kind of

2091
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 1: for that reason, in part that being around Jerry Jones

2092
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 1: and Dallas Vegas being that that the hot new market

2093
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:32,120
Speaker 1: that the NFL's trying to build. Something in Chicago is

2094
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:34,479
Speaker 1: a legendary franchise. If he could bring the Bears back,

2095
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:37,439
Speaker 1: that would do wonders for Russell Wilson's brand. So I

2096
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 1: think John Schneider, the general manager, was was done with Russ.

2097
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:42,639
Speaker 1: I think he was ready to trade them to Chicago.

2098
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:45,919
Speaker 1: Chicago thought they'd get them. They're willing to give Seattle

2099
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:49,880
Speaker 1: basically anything they wanted short of Cleil mac and Pete Carroll.

2100
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 1: From what I was told, was the one who nixed it.

2101
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 1: And he doesn't want that to be his legacy. He

2102
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:57,599
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be the guy who traded Russell Wilson. Probably,

2103
01:43:57,680 --> 01:44:00,200
Speaker 1: like Mark Murphy and good cons they might not want

2104
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:02,800
Speaker 1: to be the guys who traded Aaron Rodgers, which which

2105
01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:05,559
Speaker 1: I get, and for one more year. Anyways, they all

2106
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 1: just decided to kind of sing kumbayah. We all know

2107
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:12,679
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is image conscious. You know, he is looking

2108
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:16,720
Speaker 1: after the brand of Russell Wilson in a very calculating way,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think he wanted to damage his brand

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Speaker 1: by taking it to the extreme Aaron Rodgers is right now.

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Speaker 1: So for now, yeah, they're at the press conference, they're all,

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Speaker 1: you know, smiles and everything. But you know, let's hear

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Speaker 1: it in twenty twenty two. I think next year it

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Speaker 1: might be time for everybody to move on. Telly, You've

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Speaker 1: done a really good job of being able to get

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Speaker 1: to know and kind of really get inside these players heads.

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of the interviews you've done, they've

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Speaker 1: been really in depth, you know, talk going back to

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Speaker 1: history and all the way and the way a guy

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Speaker 1: came up, the way he developed. And you've been doing

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Speaker 1: it for a long time. And this idea of quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: or even you know, receivers to a degree, forcing their

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Speaker 1: way out of a team, moving to a you know,

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Speaker 1: creating a trade very NBA esque have you sensed a

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01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:09,439
Speaker 1: difference in the or actually back up a little bit.

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01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 1: Where do you think that's coming from? How? Why is

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Speaker 1: there a change? Why is this happening more in the

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Speaker 1: NFL than what even ten fifteen years was was going

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Speaker 1: on with these players? You're you're right, we are seeing

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01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:24,040
Speaker 1: an evolution here in quarterback movement that I think is

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01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:28,080
Speaker 1: here to stay on the Why, that's a good question.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure why. It just all of a sudden

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01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:34,040
Speaker 1: kind of happened. I think that these quarterbacks see that

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01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:36,600
Speaker 1: they're the ones who really make the NFL what it is.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Aaron Rodgers is looking outside lambeau Field at

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Speaker 1: the New Titletown district and saying, hey, I'm responsible for that,

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Speaker 1: and and wants to have a say in personnel decisions

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Speaker 1: and wants people fired and thinks he's entitled to that.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, to varying degrees, Deshaun Watson wanted out,

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Carson Wentz, Matthew Stafford. I think it is important, though,

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Speaker 1: to separate facts from feelings, right. I think in some

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Speaker 1: cases the feelings are justified, Like Carson Wentz was sacked

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01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 1: fifty times in twelve games. That roster is just a disaster.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how he Roseman, I can't believe that he's

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01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:13,400
Speaker 1: still the general manager there, probably because he ingratiate himself

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Speaker 1: to ownership, but he I think Wentz has a right

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01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:17,120
Speaker 1: to want to get out of there, all right. But

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, like he sacked twenty times in sixteen games,

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Speaker 1: you scored more points than any team, you know. Granted, yeah,

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01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:25,719
Speaker 1: Matt Lafloor kicked that field goal, but you also didn't

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01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:27,640
Speaker 1: sell out at the goal line to play before. Like,

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01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:29,439
Speaker 1: this is a really good team that can win now,

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01:46:29,479 --> 01:46:31,639
Speaker 1: and they're willing to pay you. I think the facts

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01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:33,800
Speaker 1: are on Green Bay side. So it's gonna be team

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01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 1: to team, quarterback to quarterback, and it'll be really interesting

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01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:40,639
Speaker 1: to see how gms and owners deal with this moving forward,

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01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:43,920
Speaker 1: because Man, I don't know. I think that these quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: they're gonna keep trying to manifest their own destinies and

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01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:48,639
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna win at times, they're gonna get

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Speaker 1: out at times, and if they've got the money to

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Speaker 1: sit out, like Aaron Rodgers has to prove his point,

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01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,559
Speaker 1: they're gonna do it. I'm sure Aaron Rodgers is has

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Speaker 1: that in his brain right now, like he thinks he's

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Speaker 1: fighting for other quarterbacks and other players that want to

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Speaker 1: just go where they want to go and refuse to play,

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01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:08,360
Speaker 1: and he's got the money to sit out. Also, one

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Speaker 1: of the things that happened early in the offseason, and

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Speaker 1: if you're talking about quarterbacks who want to get out

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Speaker 1: and get free, a guy who got delivered from death row,

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford ends up in la He goes from the

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01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:24,840
Speaker 1: dungeon to the penthouse, literally, the new stadium, the franchise,

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01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:30,479
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and Detroit continues to beat Detroit and

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01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:35,519
Speaker 1: getting Jared goffin return. How do you think Matt Stafford

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Speaker 1: is going to transform that? They're in the most competitive

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Speaker 1: division in football? The NFC West is a tough division

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Speaker 1: to win, and I think Matt Stafford maybe that thing

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Speaker 1: that puts the rams back in the back in the

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Speaker 1: driver's seat. You know, I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: people that definitely agree with you. You pair Sean McVay

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Speaker 1: and his innovation with Matthew Stafford's right arm and in

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01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:02,599
Speaker 1: his plane making, maybe it is a match made in heaven.

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Speaker 1: I guess I can't get past the fact that we've

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Speaker 1: seen Matthew Stafford for what eleven years now, and he

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Speaker 1: puts up a lot of great numbers, but he just

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01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:15,320
Speaker 1: hasn't won much, right, I mean, he hasn't won anything really,

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Speaker 1: And I know wins Arner quarterback stat you know, and

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Speaker 1: all of that, but I kind of think they are

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Speaker 1: I kind of think a decade plus you know what

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Speaker 1: a guy is, and I just think that him and

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01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:26,800
Speaker 1: Jared Golf are kind of the same guy. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if the rams really upgraded, and I don't really

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Speaker 1: know if Sean mcvayh is this this genius. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he took the NFL by a storm, all that innovation,

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01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:38,599
Speaker 1: all the misdirection, the motion and you know, Todd Gurley

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01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:40,840
Speaker 1: out of the backfield, and then poof it was gone.

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01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:42,920
Speaker 1: Like Bill Belichick made him look like a fool in

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. He had no answer. He was embarrassed,

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Speaker 1: and they haven't really recovered since. Like we can blame

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Speaker 1: Jared Golf all we want and say, Matthew Stafford's the

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01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:53,679
Speaker 1: guy that that that's gonna put them over the top,

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Speaker 1: but McVey might be the problem too. What's his counter?

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01:48:57,400 --> 01:49:00,320
Speaker 1: You know, what's he gonna do? Schematically? As a coach

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01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:04,400
Speaker 1: because they've just kind of been okay since that Super Bowl.

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01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:07,800
Speaker 1: Tyler before the draft, he wrote an in depth story

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Speaker 1: with Devin Singletary and where he's been and kind of

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Speaker 1: what he's trying to do to get better coming up

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01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:14,439
Speaker 1: this season, and there was a lot in there about

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Speaker 1: how he's changed his running style or at least attempted

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Speaker 1: to trying to add some speed. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: think this time of year, we hear from a lot

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Speaker 1: of veterans. You know, I work with this coach, I

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01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:26,000
Speaker 1: did this thing, you know, and some of them works

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Speaker 1: some of them don't. You know. What about Devin Singletary

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Speaker 1: and the work he's done maybe makes you optimistic that

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Speaker 1: this particular change in this effort will bear some fruit

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Speaker 1: come this fall. Right there, because we should be wary

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Speaker 1: of the off season trainer's story, I get it, like

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Speaker 1: it's tempting to really say that every player in the

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01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:47,840
Speaker 1: off season has just taken his game to a new level.

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01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:51,479
Speaker 1: But with Devin's Singletary, it feels real. It feels like

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Speaker 1: this is going to be a completely different running back

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Speaker 1: than what we've seen the first two years. You know,

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Speaker 1: the way I kind of asked it to his trainer,

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01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:02,439
Speaker 1: Nick Hicks down there performing Florida, was can you really

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01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:07,360
Speaker 1: get faster? Can you really get more explosive? That seems inherent,

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01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 1: like that's kind of who you are or who you aren't,

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01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:15,759
Speaker 1: But he insisted that the training they do is designed

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Speaker 1: for that one cut and go get up field in

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Speaker 1: terms of explosion. And with Devin Singletary, when he studied

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Speaker 1: his film and we all saw it, he danced a

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01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:26,120
Speaker 1: little too much. You know, it was a cut here,

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01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:28,800
Speaker 1: cut there, cut here, and bang bang bang bang, you're down.

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01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:31,719
Speaker 1: You're tackled. After four or five yards. He just needed

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01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:34,240
Speaker 1: to plant his foot and get north. And when you

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Speaker 1: look at those clips that they put out in an

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Speaker 1: addition to what Nick Kicks was saying, that was the

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01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:41,759
Speaker 1: emphasis for months and months. I mean he was working

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Speaker 1: with this trainer and Dalvin Cook and JK. Dobbins and

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01:50:45,479 --> 01:50:48,920
Speaker 1: Jerk McKinnon was down there too all summer, I mean

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Speaker 1: all spring and all summers. So I think we are

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01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:52,160
Speaker 1: going to see a different back. And in terms of

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01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:55,080
Speaker 1: getting faster, they've really worked on his leg drive, his

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01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:57,240
Speaker 1: arm pump. There's a lot that goes into a think

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01:50:57,240 --> 01:50:59,720
Speaker 1: of Adrian Peterson, right, how low he gets and he

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01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:02,280
Speaker 1: kind to rise as like an airplane. That's the way

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01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:04,880
Speaker 1: they emphasized it to Devin Singletary. So I get it.

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01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:07,760
Speaker 1: I know it sounds great in theory, it sounds great

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01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:10,160
Speaker 1: on paper. We have to see it, but I think

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01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:12,080
Speaker 1: we will see it, and he's gonna see lighter boxes.

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Speaker 1: We know that teams are going to defend the pass

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01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:16,040
Speaker 1: when they play Buffalo. I've got a few more minutes

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01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:18,800
Speaker 1: with Tyler Dunn of golongtd dot com. You have a chance,

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01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 1: and I've said this early on. It's nice to have

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01:51:20,479 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 1: you on because we can talk about so many things.

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01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:25,000
Speaker 1: You've written a lot of articles about players who have

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01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:27,559
Speaker 1: been in the league over the decades. You went back

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01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:31,320
Speaker 1: and talked to Rob Johnson and a lot of Bills fans.

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01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:33,439
Speaker 1: Remember he signed the enormous at that time, it was

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01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:36,679
Speaker 1: an enormous contract. He came in as a free agent.

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01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:38,880
Speaker 1: John Butler brought him in. He had all kinds of

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01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:42,040
Speaker 1: arm talent. What was it? What did you get out

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Speaker 1: of that article? I'd recommend that for people to go

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01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:47,719
Speaker 1: back to golongtd dot com look for the Rob Johnson

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01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:50,560
Speaker 1: written article written by Tyler Dunn. Tyler, what did you

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01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,639
Speaker 1: get out of your conversations with the former Buffalo Bills quarterback,

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Speaker 1: Well thanks for that, Steve. I mean, just how authentic

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01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:03,000
Speaker 1: Rob is, how he is, there's no bs. I mean,

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01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:07,519
Speaker 1: he get the stories he told about flutimania and button

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01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:09,720
Speaker 1: heads with Doug Fluty and how bad it really was

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01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:12,320
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. That's about as real as it gets.

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01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:13,960
Speaker 1: And you can kind of sense it to this day.

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01:52:14,479 --> 01:52:16,280
Speaker 1: You know, he's a little bothered by it, you know.

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01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:18,560
Speaker 1: I mean it just wasn't handled well. You know, the

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01:52:18,640 --> 01:52:20,800
Speaker 1: locker room was divided, and it was a little after

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01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:23,679
Speaker 1: your time, but it sure seems like there were Doug guys,

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01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:27,720
Speaker 1: there were Rob guys, and it just wasn't healthy. But

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Speaker 1: I think one of my takeaways too, is we didn't

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01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:33,000
Speaker 1: know the half of it with Rob Johnson's career. Like

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01:52:33,120 --> 01:52:35,960
Speaker 1: we see, you know, Sundays, what he's doing on the

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01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:39,320
Speaker 1: field and taking sacks. But my gosh, when when he's

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01:52:39,320 --> 01:52:42,599
Speaker 1: talking about the concussions he suffered the injuries he had,

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01:52:43,120 --> 01:52:45,840
Speaker 1: I mean, way way more than I ever realized. And

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01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:48,040
Speaker 1: I think that all took a toll as well. It's

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01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:50,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of sad, you know, you just think of

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01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 1: what could have been and all those counterfactuals. But if

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01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:57,840
Speaker 1: there isn't the Frank Wycheck forward lateral, of course it's

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01:52:57,840 --> 01:53:00,800
Speaker 1: a forward lateral right to Kevin Dyson. That doesn't happen.

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01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:02,639
Speaker 1: You know that that doesn't exist. They win that game.

2289
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:05,280
Speaker 1: That's a team that could have won the Super Bowl, right,

2290
01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:09,240
Speaker 1: you know that defense was unbelievable and and Rob Johnson

2291
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:12,360
Speaker 1: was was hot and he was great against the Colts.

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01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:15,400
Speaker 1: A week before we're having shoeless Rob Johnson status who's

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01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:18,360
Speaker 1: built outside the stadium. So it was just a lot

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01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:20,400
Speaker 1: of fun I get, I think more than anything though,

2295
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:22,600
Speaker 1: the honesty is what I appreciate it. Usually at that

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01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:25,800
Speaker 1: position you get a lot of cliches and nonsense and

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01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:30,240
Speaker 1: about the people quotes. Right, Um, Rob Johnson was anything

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01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:33,519
Speaker 1: but that. Tyler. You started your career, you know, in

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01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:36,120
Speaker 1: an era when you know, people had a job with

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01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:38,599
Speaker 1: a newspaper and you had a beat and you wrote

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01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:40,800
Speaker 1: this story. And now you know you're at a point

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01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:43,640
Speaker 1: where you're building your own website and your job is

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01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, kind of your own creation. What has it

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01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 1: been like for you to have to, you know, start

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Speaker 1: golong tv dot com from scratch to kind of be

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Speaker 1: on your own and to have success doing it too,

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Speaker 1: and in such a different variety of ways. Oh, thanks

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01:53:57,680 --> 01:53:59,360
Speaker 1: so much. It's been a lot of fun. I mean,

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01:53:59,400 --> 01:54:02,680
Speaker 1: I didn't really what to expect um running a newsletter,

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01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, where people are paying to read you, right,

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01:54:06,120 --> 01:54:08,839
Speaker 1: I mean, And and I've been blown away by everybody

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Speaker 1: here in Western New York that the support locally has

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Speaker 1: just been unbelievable. So thank you to everybody's for subscribe

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Speaker 1: was just like a lot of people, turned off by

2316
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:24,160
Speaker 1: where sports media was going, where NFL coverage was going,

2317
01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:27,360
Speaker 1: where it's about what you tweet, it's about the memes

2318
01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:29,880
Speaker 1: you put up and the jifts and the jokes, and

2319
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:32,240
Speaker 1: it's just it's a lot of just hot air, a

2320
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 1: lot of nonsense that I don't know. I didn't like

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01:54:35,400 --> 01:54:37,760
Speaker 1: that direction. And I just figured, you know, with Bleach

2322
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:41,000
Speaker 1: Report moving away from words kind of being a free agent,

2323
01:54:41,120 --> 01:54:43,840
Speaker 1: the time was right to lean into those relationships that

2324
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:46,600
Speaker 1: have built up, you know, over a decade covering the Packers,

2325
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:49,280
Speaker 1: the Bills, the NFL, and and just cover the game

2326
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:51,160
Speaker 1: through that long form lens and and try to find

2327
01:54:51,200 --> 01:54:53,960
Speaker 1: a story that the people haven't read before, something different,

2328
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:58,040
Speaker 1: something humanizing, something that kind of zigs were everybody else's

2329
01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:00,720
Speaker 1: a zagging on Twitter and so are so good. It's

2330
01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:04,560
Speaker 1: it's just been awesome. Tyler. What's one of the teams

2331
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:07,360
Speaker 1: that you've talked about or maybe covered this year or

2332
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:09,760
Speaker 1: looked at this year more closely that you think may

2333
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:13,680
Speaker 1: sneak up on people who just who has low expectations

2334
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:17,400
Speaker 1: that in your opinion, you're gonna far exceed them. You know,

2335
01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:19,960
Speaker 1: I was just trying to think of that myself this week, Steve,

2336
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:22,320
Speaker 1: because you know, we're due for a you know, an

2337
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,960
Speaker 1: inner workings kind of story with a team, and I

2338
01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:27,520
Speaker 1: want to look at the Los Angeles Chargers, which I

2339
01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:29,440
Speaker 1: know it might not help ratings here because you know,

2340
01:55:29,480 --> 01:55:32,600
Speaker 1: they don't really have any fans, but the Chargers, they're

2341
01:55:32,680 --> 01:55:36,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna be really good. Justin Herbert. You know, I

2342
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:37,920
Speaker 1: think we all knew we had a great rookie season,

2343
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:39,760
Speaker 1: but I don't think we knew how great he really was.

2344
01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean, his numbers were insane, and that was with

2345
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:45,560
Speaker 1: a lot of bad stuff going on all around him,

2346
01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:48,720
Speaker 1: you know, some questionable coaching decisions at the end of games,

2347
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:52,280
Speaker 1: a ton of injuries, especially on defense. And I just

2348
01:55:52,360 --> 01:55:54,360
Speaker 1: think in year two, Justin Herbert is just going to

2349
01:55:54,440 --> 01:55:58,160
Speaker 1: continue to grow. That they get Derwin James back from injury,

2350
01:55:58,440 --> 01:56:00,560
Speaker 1: they add some more weapons in the ops season. I mean,

2351
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:03,160
Speaker 1: this is this is the real deal at quarterback. And

2352
01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:06,600
Speaker 1: you gotta give the Chargers credit for finding him with

2353
01:56:06,720 --> 01:56:09,840
Speaker 1: a GM from Western New York of course too, because

2354
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:11,840
Speaker 1: I think into that draft, right there were a lot

2355
01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:14,560
Speaker 1: of question marks with Justin Herbert like in Oregon, and

2356
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, is this really just a big stiff? I

2357
01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:20,160
Speaker 1: mean is he Is he really somebody that is what

2358
01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:23,800
Speaker 1: you're looking for in today's NFL? He he proved he is. Yeah.

2359
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:25,680
Speaker 1: Tell I'm with you, man. If the Chargers were in

2360
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:27,840
Speaker 1: like almost any other division, I might pick him the

2361
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:29,600
Speaker 1: win this year. I think they're gonna be, you know,

2362
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:32,200
Speaker 1: a really really good team. But you know, one of

2363
01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:34,160
Speaker 1: the things you also did recently had a chat about

2364
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:37,960
Speaker 1: childhood football memories, and and you know what stood out,

2365
01:56:38,360 --> 01:56:40,760
Speaker 1: and you know, whether it's maybe your own personal memory

2366
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:43,560
Speaker 1: or something else that someone else brought up, what was

2367
01:56:43,720 --> 01:56:46,400
Speaker 1: maybe the one or the two that kind of stood

2368
01:56:46,440 --> 01:56:50,040
Speaker 1: out as you know, the great nostalgia moment of your

2369
01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:54,360
Speaker 1: NFL life of myself or the readers who chimed in

2370
01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:58,200
Speaker 1: either one. Oh my god, the readers had so many

2371
01:56:58,240 --> 01:57:00,440
Speaker 1: great ones. I mean, there was a guy who who

2372
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:03,560
Speaker 1: still remembers being a kid trying to get Joe Ferguson's

2373
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:06,760
Speaker 1: autograph at training camp. And there was another player I

2374
01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 1: can't I can't remember the name. It might have been

2375
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:11,200
Speaker 1: Tuttled something like that, that was willing to give him

2376
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:13,560
Speaker 1: give him an autograph, but he said, no, I'm waiting

2377
01:57:13,560 --> 01:57:15,800
Speaker 1: for Joe Ferguson. I need Joe Ferguson. And he blew

2378
01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:18,200
Speaker 1: this player off, and you know, forty years later, he

2379
01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:20,160
Speaker 1: still feels terrible about it. So I thought that was

2380
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:23,840
Speaker 1: pretty interesting, and I guess myself. You know, those training

2381
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:25,680
Speaker 1: camps that for Donia were a lot of fun. And

2382
01:57:26,040 --> 01:57:29,880
Speaker 1: I grew up a Packer fan. My father and I

2383
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:32,360
Speaker 1: would go to lambeau Field every other year, so that

2384
01:57:32,520 --> 01:57:34,520
Speaker 1: was where I had my first beer. And you know,

2385
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:36,560
Speaker 1: to see the tailgat and scene out there at a

2386
01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:39,680
Speaker 1: young age, the mecho pro football man, it was. It

2387
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:41,720
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. Me and my dad we still laugh about

2388
01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:45,640
Speaker 1: all those stories. It was awesome. Tyler Dunn golong td

2389
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:47,680
Speaker 1: dot com. I recommended go in there and read some

2390
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:50,240
Speaker 1: stuff about things that are going on all over the

2391
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:52,880
Speaker 1: National Football League both and a lot of stuff in

2392
01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:54,960
Speaker 1: the past. Got a lot of former players on there

2393
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:56,880
Speaker 1: that have a lot of interesting stuff. Tyler, thanks for

2394
01:57:56,960 --> 01:58:00,360
Speaker 1: coming on with us. We appreciate it. You guys are best.

2395
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:02,640
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me on. We'll be

2396
01:58:02,720 --> 01:58:05,120
Speaker 1: back One Bills Live. Coming back with What's for Lunch

2397
01:58:05,400 --> 01:58:08,320
Speaker 1: and maybe NFL true false as well Steve Task or

2398
01:58:08,440 --> 01:58:11,280
Speaker 1: Thad Brown. One Bill's Live presented by Kalid to Health

2399
01:58:11,320 --> 01:58:23,440
Speaker 1: on Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to One of Bill's Lives,

2400
01:58:23,480 --> 01:58:25,920
Speaker 1: Steve Tasks along with Thad Brown. We're gonna we thank

2401
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:29,120
Speaker 1: Tyler Dunn for coming on with this last segment. Good stuff.

2402
01:58:29,120 --> 01:58:30,920
Speaker 1: I like talking to him, like I said, because we

2403
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:32,480
Speaker 1: can bounce around the league talk about a lot of

2404
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:34,240
Speaker 1: different stuff. We spend a lot of time on the

2405
01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:38,120
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are or aren't happy in their current roles

2406
01:58:38,160 --> 01:58:39,960
Speaker 1: and some of the guys that have switched position. What

2407
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:43,560
Speaker 1: it means it's we tend to be in our sport

2408
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:46,680
Speaker 1: preoccupied with that spot and the guys who play it.

2409
01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:50,960
Speaker 1: They get a lot of attention. They're rock stars and

2410
01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:52,760
Speaker 1: once in a while you get a guy like Aaron

2411
01:58:52,840 --> 01:58:59,280
Speaker 1: Rodgers who uses that for leverage and we got to

2412
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:01,880
Speaker 1: talk about it. I think it's do you think I

2413
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:04,600
Speaker 1: know we've talked about it fad, but do you really

2414
01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:08,960
Speaker 1: think this is the start of what the league is

2415
01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:13,240
Speaker 1: gonna look like? I think it's you know, to say

2416
01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:15,600
Speaker 1: the league is gonna look like that, I'm not sure

2417
01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:17,960
Speaker 1: because remember it's not just quarterbacks. I mean, Julio Jones

2418
01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:19,880
Speaker 1: basically just did the same thing as a receiver in

2419
01:59:19,920 --> 01:59:22,400
Speaker 1: Atlanta this year, so he can't just limit it to

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01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:24,760
Speaker 1: the one position. All of the quarterbacks have the most power.

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01:59:25,320 --> 01:59:28,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna see you know, widespread

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01:59:29,240 --> 01:59:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, guys forcing their way out of contracts or

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01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, to really continue the NBA analogy, you know,

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01:59:34,640 --> 01:59:38,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to a point where, say, uh, you know,

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01:59:38,360 --> 01:59:42,000
Speaker 1: five years from now, Trevor Lawrence and Jamar Chase become

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01:59:42,080 --> 01:59:44,040
Speaker 1: buddies and they find their way to play together and

2427
01:59:44,120 --> 01:59:46,360
Speaker 1: like Detroit. You know, I don't think we're gonna get

2428
01:59:46,360 --> 01:59:48,800
Speaker 1: to that point with the NFL, But I think players

2429
01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:52,840
Speaker 1: are understanding now more that you know, they have more power.

2430
01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:55,440
Speaker 1: Maybe they felt they did in your era or earlier,

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01:59:55,520 --> 01:59:57,600
Speaker 1: and I think we're gonna see not a ton of it,

2432
01:59:57,760 --> 02:00:00,280
Speaker 1: but I think it's going to continue to grow. I mean,

2433
02:00:00,280 --> 02:00:02,560
Speaker 1: you look back over the last five six years, and

2434
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:05,400
Speaker 1: it started for me. It started with Levion Bell in Pittsburgh.

2435
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:09,600
Speaker 1: He's refused to play and he cost himself fifteen million bucks.

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02:00:09,640 --> 02:00:13,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't even debate it. The deal they

2437
02:00:13,160 --> 02:00:18,400
Speaker 1: offered him. He cost himself fifteen million dollars ultimately, and

2438
02:00:18,520 --> 02:00:21,760
Speaker 1: what money he earned, and even if everything would have

2439
02:00:21,800 --> 02:00:24,480
Speaker 1: gone south just like it did, he still would have

2440
02:00:24,600 --> 02:00:26,880
Speaker 1: had fifty more million bot dollars in his pocket. And

2441
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:29,240
Speaker 1: he did it to make a point. And okay, he

2442
02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:31,120
Speaker 1: can live with that. That's fine if he wants to

2443
02:00:31,160 --> 02:00:35,720
Speaker 1: make that point. Antonio Brown kind of rattled his way

2444
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:38,480
Speaker 1: out of Pittsburgh just you know, they had to get

2445
02:00:38,600 --> 02:00:42,280
Speaker 1: rid of him. They didn't want him around anymore stuff.

2446
02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:44,960
Speaker 1: Guy players like that have been able to make that happen.

2447
02:00:45,680 --> 02:00:48,600
Speaker 1: It's hard to see them using that as a strategy.

2448
02:00:48,720 --> 02:00:52,600
Speaker 1: Being a guy that's so bad, such a cancer, such

2449
02:00:52,640 --> 02:00:55,040
Speaker 1: a problem in the locker room, such a bad egg.

2450
02:00:55,440 --> 02:00:57,080
Speaker 1: The team's got to get rid of him and use

2451
02:00:57,200 --> 02:00:59,800
Speaker 1: that as your way out of town. Hard to beat

2452
02:01:00,040 --> 02:01:01,960
Speaker 1: liked by your next team when they don't really have

2453
02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:04,920
Speaker 1: that high an opinion of you. But we have seen

2454
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:07,360
Speaker 1: a lot of players force the hand of the team

2455
02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:10,240
Speaker 1: that has their rights at the moment to get rid

2456
02:01:10,240 --> 02:01:13,040
Speaker 1: of them. And I don't know that all of the

2457
02:01:13,400 --> 02:01:15,600
Speaker 1: all those cases are unique in and of themselves, but

2458
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:17,920
Speaker 1: they are also got to be looked at as a trend.

2459
02:01:19,000 --> 02:01:21,480
Speaker 1: And it's not just you know, even even the bad

2460
02:01:21,520 --> 02:01:23,920
Speaker 1: guys too. I mean, you know, I brought up Julio Jones.

2461
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:27,120
Speaker 1: There really wasn't seemingly much acrimony Atlanta. But the even

2462
02:01:27,200 --> 02:01:29,760
Speaker 1: better example is JJ Watt. I mean j J. Watt

2463
02:01:29,800 --> 02:01:32,120
Speaker 1: basically walked into the owner's room owners often said you

2464
02:01:32,200 --> 02:01:34,640
Speaker 1: know what, I'd like to be traded, and they were like, yeah,

2465
02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:36,080
Speaker 1: you know what, you've been a great guy here, Sure

2466
02:01:36,120 --> 02:01:37,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna be out. I mean, it doesn't feel like

2467
02:01:38,040 --> 02:01:40,720
Speaker 1: a force, but that's really what happened. He walked in

2468
02:01:40,720 --> 02:01:43,240
Speaker 1: and demanded a trade and he got it. And again,

2469
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:47,240
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to players understanding the power

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02:01:47,320 --> 02:01:50,760
Speaker 1: and the leverage they have and how much more, you know,

2471
02:01:50,840 --> 02:01:53,560
Speaker 1: maybe that situation is in their favor than it was

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02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:56,760
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen, twenty years ago. So, but I think

2473
02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:58,600
Speaker 1: the other point that you just made and needs to

2474
02:01:58,640 --> 02:02:02,200
Speaker 1: be underlying three times is every situation is unique. You know,

2475
02:02:02,520 --> 02:02:05,160
Speaker 1: JJ Watson a real unique deal in his quarterback in

2476
02:02:05,720 --> 02:02:08,520
Speaker 1: a situation that you know, no one's ever seen before.

2477
02:02:08,880 --> 02:02:11,000
Speaker 1: Julio Jones, you know, is in a spot where they

2478
02:02:11,080 --> 02:02:13,720
Speaker 1: have plenty of receiver options around him, and the Packers

2479
02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:16,160
Speaker 1: this is even the first time last fifteen years, they've

2480
02:02:16,200 --> 02:02:17,960
Speaker 1: had to going through this with a quarterback, Bret Barbard

2481
02:02:18,080 --> 02:02:20,040
Speaker 1: the same thing, you know, like Tyler Dune just said,

2482
02:02:20,160 --> 02:02:24,920
Speaker 1: So to take these three or four deals and say, well,

2483
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:27,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna have fifteen to them in five years probably

2484
02:02:27,480 --> 02:02:31,080
Speaker 1: isn't reasonable because each one of those had a circumstance

2485
02:02:31,160 --> 02:02:33,880
Speaker 1: that is unlikely to be repeated, at least repeated a

2486
02:02:33,960 --> 02:02:36,200
Speaker 1: lot going forward. All Right, if you listened to our

2487
02:02:36,240 --> 02:02:38,320
Speaker 1: show enough that you know what the game we play is,

2488
02:02:38,440 --> 02:02:42,440
Speaker 1: It's called what for Lunch? Yeah, I'm talking about two men,

2489
02:02:42,640 --> 02:02:44,600
Speaker 1: two menu items. You got to choose the one you

2490
02:02:44,800 --> 02:02:48,280
Speaker 1: want the most, one from column A or one from

2491
02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:51,280
Speaker 1: column B, not both. So what's for lunch? Here we go,

2492
02:02:51,560 --> 02:02:54,919
Speaker 1: What's for lunch? Number one? The player who will reset

2493
02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:58,680
Speaker 1: the linebacker market in the NFL. Is Darius Leonard, linebacker

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02:02:58,840 --> 02:03:02,480
Speaker 1: for the Indianapolis Colts or Fred Warner, linebacker for the

2495
02:03:02,480 --> 02:03:04,840
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers. I know Darius Leonard is

2496
02:03:04,840 --> 02:03:07,600
Speaker 1: a different type of player. He's been phenomenal since the

2497
02:03:07,720 --> 02:03:09,720
Speaker 1: day he walked in. But a lot of people think,

2498
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:11,880
Speaker 1: and even some of our guests this week, they have

2499
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:14,320
Speaker 1: Fred Warner as the best player under twenty five in

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02:03:14,360 --> 02:03:16,720
Speaker 1: the National Football League. What do you think? Which one

2501
02:03:17,160 --> 02:03:20,600
Speaker 1: do you like best? I like Leonard better, but I

2502
02:03:20,640 --> 02:03:22,280
Speaker 1: think the question here is which one's going to sign

2503
02:03:22,360 --> 02:03:24,480
Speaker 1: the bigger contract, right, which one's gonna reset the market?

2504
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:27,320
Speaker 1: And to me, I think it's Warner because you've got

2505
02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:30,320
Speaker 1: Armstead and Bosa and d Ford and guys in that

2506
02:03:30,400 --> 02:03:32,920
Speaker 1: San Francisco defense that are already making a ton to

2507
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:35,160
Speaker 1: where if you're gonna say this guy Warner is one

2508
02:03:35,160 --> 02:03:36,800
Speaker 1: of the best under twenty five, and he might be,

2509
02:03:37,560 --> 02:03:38,880
Speaker 1: you have to pay him more than the guys you

2510
02:03:38,920 --> 02:03:41,720
Speaker 1: already have. You know, in Indianapolis, they don't have those

2511
02:03:41,800 --> 02:03:45,160
Speaker 1: big money contracts that have to be negotiating obstacles. So

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02:03:45,440 --> 02:03:48,040
Speaker 1: I think they're both pretty good players, really good players,

2513
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:49,720
Speaker 1: and both they're gonna make a whole lot of money

2514
02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:52,360
Speaker 1: really soon. But give me Fred Warner in this discussion. Yeah,

2515
02:03:52,400 --> 02:03:54,600
Speaker 1: I think I'd take the other guy. I think because

2516
02:03:54,640 --> 02:03:57,840
Speaker 1: of vacuum of big contracts at Indianapolis, I think he's

2517
02:03:57,840 --> 02:04:00,000
Speaker 1: gonna set the market. I think they've got the money

2518
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:03,120
Speaker 1: need to spend. They want to keep that guy. Eberflus

2519
02:04:03,160 --> 02:04:05,320
Speaker 1: has been there for a while. He's probably got some

2520
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:08,160
Speaker 1: sway with Frank Reich. I think that if you're gonna

2521
02:04:08,160 --> 02:04:11,320
Speaker 1: spend money on a guy, Indianapolis always has money to spend,

2522
02:04:11,760 --> 02:04:13,760
Speaker 1: and he's a great one, and they don't pay They

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02:04:13,800 --> 02:04:15,720
Speaker 1: don't have a Bosa on their team. They don't have

2524
02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:19,960
Speaker 1: a you know, a Jalen Ramsey on their team, or

2525
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:23,000
Speaker 1: a you know, a step Steph Gilmore on their team.

2526
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:26,040
Speaker 1: They've got this guy, um So I think he's probably

2527
02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:28,280
Speaker 1: the one that's gonna make the most just because his

2528
02:04:28,360 --> 02:04:30,640
Speaker 1: team can spend it, and because I think he's that

2529
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:32,800
Speaker 1: much of a lynchpin for them as well. Now, Fred Warner,

2530
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:34,800
Speaker 1: you're right, I just don't know that they've got enough.

2531
02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:36,680
Speaker 1: They're gonna have enough money in their budget to going

2532
02:04:36,720 --> 02:04:39,120
Speaker 1: forward to put sign a mega deal for a middle linebacker.

2533
02:04:39,560 --> 02:04:41,760
Speaker 1: So if you're going to talk about more money on

2534
02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:43,560
Speaker 1: the cap right now. I was surprised to find that out.

2535
02:04:43,560 --> 02:04:46,120
Speaker 1: Oh is that right? Yeah, yeah, well there you go

2536
02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:49,120
Speaker 1: three million more. But and I think both teams have

2537
02:04:49,200 --> 02:04:51,720
Speaker 1: like fifteen million plus, so there's room for either. But

2538
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:53,800
Speaker 1: the Niners actually have more room right now. Yeah, there

2539
02:04:53,880 --> 02:04:57,320
Speaker 1: you go. Well, that's that's the Colts have had money

2540
02:04:57,400 --> 02:04:59,680
Speaker 1: under the cap, a ton of money to spend for

2541
02:04:59,800 --> 02:05:03,360
Speaker 1: like three years in a row. It's bumming me out

2542
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:07,360
Speaker 1: from Chris Ballad does a great job, mane of one

2543
02:05:07,400 --> 02:05:09,320
Speaker 1: of the three or four best gems, and they have Yeah,

2544
02:05:09,320 --> 02:05:11,600
Speaker 1: all right, so you'll take You'll take Fred Warner, I'll

2545
02:05:11,640 --> 02:05:16,000
Speaker 1: take Darius Leonard. What's for lunch? Number two? Menu? Better?

2546
02:05:16,320 --> 02:05:20,080
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks? Candidate for training camp coming up? HBO Hard Knocks?

2547
02:05:20,080 --> 02:05:23,240
Speaker 1: Who's good? Better candidate? Which team? The Cardinals or the Cowboys?

2548
02:05:24,840 --> 02:05:27,800
Speaker 1: I mean, the Cowboys are usually the team that everybody

2549
02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:31,640
Speaker 1: would pick. But I am fascinated to see what this

2550
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:34,360
Speaker 1: Cardinals team looks like, especially with JJ walk coming in

2551
02:05:34,520 --> 02:05:38,280
Speaker 1: and some of this team as an ascending organization, they're

2552
02:05:38,320 --> 02:05:40,600
Speaker 1: not used to the spotlight, you know, so I think

2553
02:05:40,640 --> 02:05:43,280
Speaker 1: i'd want to see the Cardinals just to learn about

2554
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:46,280
Speaker 1: what the Cardinals are. How many times do we anything

2555
02:05:46,320 --> 02:05:49,360
Speaker 1: the Cowboys do anything? It spends the next week and

2556
02:05:49,360 --> 02:05:51,400
Speaker 1: a half as the a one topic on every show

2557
02:05:51,400 --> 02:05:53,280
Speaker 1: in the world. I know the Cowboys, I want to

2558
02:05:53,320 --> 02:05:55,680
Speaker 1: learn about the Cardinals. Yeah, it's an interesting way to

2559
02:05:55,720 --> 02:05:57,240
Speaker 1: look at it, and I kind of agree with you.

2560
02:05:57,480 --> 02:06:00,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Kyler Murray's an exceptional talent. I'm the guy.

2561
02:06:00,680 --> 02:06:06,200
Speaker 1: He's my height and he plays quarterback in the NFL

2562
02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:09,800
Speaker 1: and he plays it pretty well. JJ adds a little

2563
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:14,520
Speaker 1: something to them. DeAndre Hopkins is a phenomenal athlete. It's

2564
02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:17,400
Speaker 1: also the first year they're gonna be without Larry Fitzgerald

2565
02:06:17,440 --> 02:06:19,720
Speaker 1: on their roster. There's going to be avoid there. People

2566
02:06:19,720 --> 02:06:22,400
Speaker 1: will be talking about that. Cliff Kingsbury is still a

2567
02:06:22,520 --> 02:06:25,200
Speaker 1: young coach who's kind of trying to find it. They're

2568
02:06:25,200 --> 02:06:27,440
Speaker 1: in the most competitive division in football, so there's a

2569
02:06:27,480 --> 02:06:29,440
Speaker 1: lot of tension in that room. So yeah, I think

2570
02:06:29,480 --> 02:06:31,080
Speaker 1: I would too, And I'm kind of with you. I'm

2571
02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:34,000
Speaker 1: up to my neck with Cowboys talk. We hear it

2572
02:06:34,040 --> 02:06:35,720
Speaker 1: about all the time, and we're gonna have plenty to

2573
02:06:35,840 --> 02:06:37,440
Speaker 1: talk about. I mean, we'll hear all we need to

2574
02:06:37,480 --> 02:06:40,800
Speaker 1: hear about. Dak Prescott and his busted leg during this preseason.

2575
02:06:40,880 --> 02:06:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm with you more impactful. Holdout Stefan Gilmour for the

2576
02:06:44,840 --> 02:06:48,760
Speaker 1: New England Patriots or Xavian Howard for the Miami Dolphins,

2577
02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:51,960
Speaker 1: both cornerbacks. Both. I mean Steph did win the Defensive

2578
02:06:51,960 --> 02:06:53,920
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, is Zavian Howard almost won it

2579
02:06:54,040 --> 02:06:58,600
Speaker 1: last year. The way I separate this is in Miami,

2580
02:06:58,720 --> 02:07:00,680
Speaker 1: I think Brian Flores is still trying to build a

2581
02:07:00,680 --> 02:07:03,000
Speaker 1: bit of a culture, build a team, build an organization.

2582
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:05,960
Speaker 1: And when you have a guy like Howard, who I'm

2583
02:07:06,120 --> 02:07:09,080
Speaker 1: assuming they want to be one of the cornerstones of

2584
02:07:09,120 --> 02:07:11,720
Speaker 1: that build, already rattling a saber. He just signed a

2585
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:14,000
Speaker 1: contract twenty nineteen. This isn't a guy who's on a

2586
02:07:14,080 --> 02:07:16,720
Speaker 1: rookie deal has been on their contract for five six years.

2587
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:20,120
Speaker 1: He's two years into an extension. And the reason most

2588
02:07:20,120 --> 02:07:22,760
Speaker 1: people think he wants new deals because Byron Jones the

2589
02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:25,480
Speaker 1: other corner, it gets paid more. Right now. So for

2590
02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:28,760
Speaker 1: this problem to be with this coach still relatively early

2591
02:07:29,080 --> 02:07:32,640
Speaker 1: in his regime, I think that impacts more than Stefan Gilmour,

2592
02:07:33,000 --> 02:07:35,160
Speaker 1: to where what the Patriots do and what Bill Belichick

2593
02:07:35,240 --> 02:07:37,760
Speaker 1: does is such a rock. There's no way he puts

2594
02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:40,160
Speaker 1: even a dead today. I agree with you, Miami. The

2595
02:07:40,280 --> 02:07:43,080
Speaker 1: Xavien Howard is a bigger problem for the Miami Dolphins

2596
02:07:43,280 --> 02:07:45,680
Speaker 1: for the exact reasons you said. They're trying to build

2597
02:07:45,720 --> 02:07:49,280
Speaker 1: something down there. They jettison five of their captains from

2598
02:07:49,360 --> 02:07:51,880
Speaker 1: last year. They've got two or three different guys that

2599
02:07:51,960 --> 02:07:55,120
Speaker 1: are offensive coordinators. They're trying to get this together. And

2600
02:07:55,520 --> 02:07:58,160
Speaker 1: they signed a lot of big name free agents a

2601
02:07:58,280 --> 02:08:01,000
Speaker 1: year ago, only to kick him to the curb a

2602
02:08:01,160 --> 02:08:03,480
Speaker 1: year later. And they want these players to jump on

2603
02:08:03,600 --> 02:08:08,280
Speaker 1: board with the team. Who has no problem kicking those

2604
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:12,320
Speaker 1: guys to the curb. Loyalty runs both ways for players.

2605
02:08:12,680 --> 02:08:16,080
Speaker 1: They'll come out and their loyalty is on display every

2606
02:08:16,120 --> 02:08:18,280
Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon that they're on the field for you, and

2607
02:08:18,360 --> 02:08:21,200
Speaker 1: then the first chance you get to get rid of

2608
02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:24,280
Speaker 1: them with no other good reason other than maybe the

2609
02:08:24,360 --> 02:08:26,400
Speaker 1: team lost or whatever. You know, no matter how you

2610
02:08:26,560 --> 02:08:30,120
Speaker 1: played or what you're doing, with no recourse, all of

2611
02:08:30,160 --> 02:08:33,560
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're expendable. It's hard to get yourself around

2612
02:08:33,640 --> 02:08:34,960
Speaker 1: the fact that they want you to lay it on

2613
02:08:35,040 --> 02:08:37,080
Speaker 1: the line for them. I think it really speaks to

2614
02:08:37,280 --> 02:08:40,320
Speaker 1: a coaching staff that has tried to build a culture,

2615
02:08:40,760 --> 02:08:43,680
Speaker 1: has made some bad choices, doesn't like the results of

2616
02:08:43,720 --> 02:08:47,080
Speaker 1: those choices, and held the players responsible more so than

2617
02:08:47,120 --> 02:08:49,880
Speaker 1: the coaching staff and the coaching that they're getting, maybe

2618
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:51,760
Speaker 1: not putting these guys in the right position, not giving

2619
02:08:51,800 --> 02:08:54,280
Speaker 1: them the right attitude, or not being clear about what

2620
02:08:54,360 --> 02:08:58,120
Speaker 1: they're being asked to do, and then being cut because

2621
02:08:58,160 --> 02:09:02,280
Speaker 1: of it. So I think, yeah, that that culture thing

2622
02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:05,000
Speaker 1: that Brian Flores is trying to build down there is

2623
02:09:05,040 --> 02:09:08,920
Speaker 1: a real thing, but they've had some problems getting it

2624
02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:11,560
Speaker 1: off the ground because I think they have not been

2625
02:09:11,680 --> 02:09:15,840
Speaker 1: clear enough to the players they've brought in about what

2626
02:09:16,120 --> 02:09:18,360
Speaker 1: is actually expected of them. And I think they're getting

2627
02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:21,680
Speaker 1: some pushback from these guys because of it doesn't feel

2628
02:09:21,680 --> 02:09:23,800
Speaker 1: like that that build in Miami, as much as you

2629
02:09:23,880 --> 02:09:25,640
Speaker 1: want to like it. I'm a big Brian Flores fan.

2630
02:09:25,680 --> 02:09:26,840
Speaker 1: There's a lot of good players, I got a lot

2631
02:09:26,880 --> 02:09:30,080
Speaker 1: of respects it it feels so uneven like they just

2632
02:09:30,240 --> 02:09:33,400
Speaker 1: cannot get I don't a momentum or or you know,

2633
02:09:33,680 --> 02:09:36,440
Speaker 1: enough energy going in the right direction to really and

2634
02:09:36,640 --> 02:09:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, two is a big question mark. That's a

2635
02:09:38,200 --> 02:09:40,280
Speaker 1: part of it. And also maybe you know because here

2636
02:09:40,320 --> 02:09:43,600
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. The build was just so smooth and the

2637
02:09:43,720 --> 02:09:47,480
Speaker 1: ascension was so direct. Maybe I'm relatively looking at it

2638
02:09:47,600 --> 02:09:49,680
Speaker 1: as you know, this is maybe what normally happens in Miami,

2639
02:09:49,960 --> 02:09:52,160
Speaker 1: But it just doesn't feel like the Dolphins, for all

2640
02:09:52,200 --> 02:09:54,560
Speaker 1: the right things they've done, have it going enough in

2641
02:09:54,600 --> 02:09:56,560
Speaker 1: the right direction to really be a problem anytime soon.

2642
02:09:56,640 --> 02:09:58,360
Speaker 1: Do you make anything of the fact that it's coming

2643
02:09:58,360 --> 02:10:00,520
Speaker 1: out that Brian Flores was not a to a guy.

2644
02:10:00,640 --> 02:10:04,640
Speaker 1: He was a justin Herbert guy, and he's he's not

2645
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:08,040
Speaker 1: happy right now with the way those two quarterbacks are looking.

2646
02:10:09,480 --> 02:10:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I make more of a thing

2647
02:10:11,600 --> 02:10:13,800
Speaker 1: that it's out than whether he thinks that or not.

2648
02:10:13,960 --> 02:10:16,160
Speaker 1: You know, the fact that there is it's got to

2649
02:10:16,240 --> 02:10:19,160
Speaker 1: come from somewhere, that someone said that, and the fact

2650
02:10:19,240 --> 02:10:22,240
Speaker 1: that it's out there and available tells you again that

2651
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, for all the right choices the Dolphins have made,

2652
02:10:25,440 --> 02:10:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, they just cannot get around enough obstacles to

2653
02:10:28,760 --> 02:10:31,040
Speaker 1: push themselves over the top. And you know, whether whether

2654
02:10:31,080 --> 02:10:32,760
Speaker 1: this is true or not, I don't even care, But

2655
02:10:33,280 --> 02:10:34,920
Speaker 1: the fact this is being leaked is the thing I'd

2656
02:10:34,960 --> 02:10:38,120
Speaker 1: have the most problem with. Yeah, Steve Tasker fed Brandon,

2657
02:10:38,120 --> 02:10:40,320
Speaker 1: We'll be back to wrap things up right after the break.

2658
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Speaker 1: One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health. We're coming to

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02:10:43,160 --> 02:10:45,720
Speaker 1: you from the Seneca Studios an Orchard Park. This is

2660
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:59,360
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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Steve Task along with Thad Brown fad

2663
02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:07,200
Speaker 1: one of the things I learned and I'm starting to

2664
02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:10,440
Speaker 1: become more convicted of. I haven't really given it too

2665
02:11:10,520 --> 02:11:13,480
Speaker 1: much thought because we're kind of all Buffalo Bills all

2666
02:11:13,520 --> 02:11:15,600
Speaker 1: the time here. But I don't know if Aaron Rodgers

2667
02:11:15,680 --> 02:11:17,520
Speaker 1: ever going to take another snap for the brought Packers.

2668
02:11:17,760 --> 02:11:20,040
Speaker 1: I never would have thought that was the case, but

2669
02:11:20,160 --> 02:11:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm starting to think that may be a thing. He

2670
02:11:23,120 --> 02:11:25,760
Speaker 1: may never play for those guys again, because there's those

2671
02:11:25,840 --> 02:11:30,400
Speaker 1: these legendary, you know, legends about him and his family.

2672
02:11:30,480 --> 02:11:32,280
Speaker 1: He doesn't talk to members of his family. When he

2673
02:11:32,360 --> 02:11:34,839
Speaker 1: shuts you off, I mean you're dead to him, literally,

2674
02:11:35,920 --> 02:11:41,520
Speaker 1: and maybe the Packers have crossed that line. It's possible.

2675
02:11:42,080 --> 02:11:44,560
Speaker 1: I've heard Tyler Dunn, you know I heard. Obviously the

2676
02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:47,280
Speaker 1: point he made seems pretty convincing. I still think they

2677
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:49,880
Speaker 1: work it out just because you know, I don't know

2678
02:11:50,040 --> 02:11:52,080
Speaker 1: where Aaron Rodgers goes. I mean, do you send him

2679
02:11:52,120 --> 02:11:55,040
Speaker 1: to Denver, you know, with a month ago before the season.

2680
02:11:55,080 --> 02:11:56,760
Speaker 1: I mean, then we're got great for Cam last year

2681
02:11:57,080 --> 02:11:59,280
Speaker 1: rolling in New England late, you know, he looked terrible.

2682
02:11:59,680 --> 02:12:02,000
Speaker 1: So is that good for him? It's not gonna be

2683
02:12:02,080 --> 02:12:04,680
Speaker 1: good for the Packers for sure. I just don't see

2684
02:12:04,760 --> 02:12:08,480
Speaker 1: where for there to be a movement. There has to

2685
02:12:08,600 --> 02:12:11,400
Speaker 1: be a better plan B for at least one side.

2686
02:12:11,720 --> 02:12:13,120
Speaker 1: And I don't know if there is a plan B

2687
02:12:13,320 --> 02:12:16,160
Speaker 1: that's an improvement from Aaron Rodgers playing in Green Bay

2688
02:12:16,240 --> 02:12:18,560
Speaker 1: this year for either side, right, And there's a lot,

2689
02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of water that has to

2690
02:12:20,560 --> 02:12:22,440
Speaker 1: go into the bridge before they get to the regular season.

2691
02:12:22,440 --> 02:12:24,080
Speaker 1: And he could hold out all of training camp and

2692
02:12:24,120 --> 02:12:25,640
Speaker 1: all of that, and they may find him and all

2693
02:12:25,680 --> 02:12:30,400
Speaker 1: that too. But I'll say this, in all the unhappy

2694
02:12:30,600 --> 02:12:34,880
Speaker 1: circumstances I've seen NFL players in over the decades and

2695
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:39,120
Speaker 1: all that I've heard about, new contracts seem to make

2696
02:12:39,160 --> 02:12:44,080
Speaker 1: all that go away. And if the Packers really want

2697
02:12:44,160 --> 02:12:46,720
Speaker 1: him back and they bump his number from what it

2698
02:12:46,760 --> 02:12:50,320
Speaker 1: is twenty five or something, now up to forty. I'm

2699
02:12:50,360 --> 02:12:52,360
Speaker 1: pretty sure Aaron Rodgers will play as long as he

2700
02:12:52,440 --> 02:12:54,600
Speaker 1: wants to play as a Green Bay packer. That's the

2701
02:12:54,680 --> 02:12:56,760
Speaker 1: way I feel about it. Now. It may not have

2702
02:12:56,920 --> 02:13:01,760
Speaker 1: he may be that Stubb or but it has been

2703
02:13:01,840 --> 02:13:06,400
Speaker 1: my experience that two things, money and time are undefeated.

2704
02:13:08,520 --> 02:13:10,160
Speaker 1: So what he talks, right, Yeah, what he talks and

2705
02:13:10,280 --> 02:13:14,400
Speaker 1: what doull is what I've always thought right. So anyway, Fat,

2706
02:13:14,480 --> 02:13:16,320
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on with us today. It's been awesome

2707
02:13:16,400 --> 02:13:19,040
Speaker 1: having you. Everybody have a great weekend, Fat appreciate it.

2708
02:13:19,160 --> 02:13:21,200
Speaker 1: Next time, we'll try and do it this way again.

2709
02:13:21,200 --> 02:13:24,000
Speaker 1: If you ever recast again, we'll let you stay at home.

2710
02:13:25,240 --> 02:13:27,680
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I like being here. Hey, Happy Father's Day,

2711
02:13:27,680 --> 02:13:29,360
Speaker 1: by the way, everybody this weekend and enjoy it. And

2712
02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:31,040
Speaker 1: I hope we're doing something fun with the kids and

2713
02:13:31,120 --> 02:13:32,680
Speaker 1: for all of you at home. Thanks for suffering through

2714
02:13:32,760 --> 02:13:34,640
Speaker 1: my hosting of the show on a Friday. I appreciate

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02:13:34,680 --> 02:13:36,960
Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun for me. And I'd

2716
02:13:37,000 --> 02:13:39,120
Speaker 1: give out the phone numbers once now because I finally

2717
02:13:39,200 --> 02:13:41,600
Speaker 1: memorize them, but now it's too late. Thanks for watching, everybody,

2718
02:13:41,600 --> 02:13:45,000
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. We'll talk to you next weekend. Have

2719
02:13:45,080 --> 02:13:46,120
Speaker 1: a great weekend. Everybody