1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Paul. 7 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: Mission Control deconds. Most importantly, you are you, You are here, 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Uh. 9 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: Student listeners, you'll notice that in our strange news and 10 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: listener mail segments, we will occasionally note a topic that 11 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: bears further investigation. Uh. And to be candid, you know, 12 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: we work assiduously not to accidentally turn those se f 13 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: it's into you know, a full episode, but we do 14 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: keep notes. We're not just blowing smoke when we say 15 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: we're going to follow up on something. And that brings 16 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: us to today's episode. In a previous Listener Male segment, 17 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: we learned of Ireland's Vanishing triangle. So thanks again to 18 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: Kira for alerting us to this troubling tale. Today will 19 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: be exploring a series of as of yet unexplained disappearances 20 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: that have haunted the Nation of Ireland for decades. These 21 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: cases remain unsolved today. Here are the facts. I guess 22 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: we should start with, what is the Vanishing Triangle? There 23 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: always there's so many triangles, you know. There's like the 24 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: Bermuda triangle exactly right your your mind immediately conjures like 25 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: some sort of mysterious vortex in the middle of the 26 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: sea where ships get you know, sucked down into the 27 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: great beyond. This is different. This is a geographical triangle 28 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: that is very much on land. Um. But the Vanishing 29 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: Triangle specifically refers to a series of mysterious and as 30 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: of yet unsolved disappearances in Ireland that took place in 31 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: the mid to late nineties specifically between nineteen and nine eight. 32 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: As you'll find out in the episode UM, this is 33 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: a very kind of small geographical location, so it really 34 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: has taken on kind of a life of its own 35 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: in the I guess lore of the of the region. 36 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: So there is an unofficial list of disappearances that includes 37 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: eight women ranging in age from seventeen to thirty nine 38 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: at the time of their disappearance. So why is it 39 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: called a triangle? Well, everyone who's listening you know that 40 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: people have gone missing in Ireland prior to that date 41 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: in nineteen nine, and people have gone missing after that date. 42 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: In this is specifically looking at a set of eight 43 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: women who who ranged in a ages, So we're looking 44 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: at younger women around seventeen or seventeen, all the way 45 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: up to women who were thirty nine at the time 46 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: when they meant when they went missing. And uh, it 47 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: really it's a triangle because it's just looking at the 48 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: places where these women were last seen. Really, that's that's 49 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: what we're focusing on. That's why it's a triangle. And 50 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: and part of this goes to the editorial choice of 51 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: various Irish media outlets. They used the phrase and this 52 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: is not a ding on them. It is uh, it 53 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: is common and some people may even argue necessary for 54 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: news organizations to find a an umbrella phrase that encapsulates 55 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: a series of events, people, places, or things. So the 56 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: reason they chose this phrase is because as we as 57 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: we said, all these disappearances take place in the same 58 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: rough area. If you pull up a map of Ireland 59 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: now you're looking at it, you'll see that, uh, you'll 60 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: see pay attention to the east coast. You'll see the 61 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: capital Dublin and then if you look up, if you 62 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: sort of let your eyes wander up the coast, you'll 63 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: see Dune Dalk and then if you let your eyes 64 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: wander all the way down you'll see Wexford also there 65 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: on the coast. And the way people usually think of 66 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: this is, as you said, Matt, based on where these 67 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: individuals were last seeing the furthest inland is kind of 68 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: the point of our triangle here. Uh. That is the 69 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: disappearance of Fiona Pender from Tullamore, which will will we'll 70 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: get into the stories of these individuals at this point. 71 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: But but as you mentioned, this encompasses a lot of 72 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: stuff urban areas, rural areas, the Wicklow Mountains, and we're 73 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: not talking about a huge region. If for example, you 74 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: wanted to drive from Wexford there in the south to Dublin, 75 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: it would take you about two hours, so it's not 76 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's not the best commute, but there are 77 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: people who could live in Wexford and go to work 78 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: in Dublin every day. There are worse community even here 79 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: in the States. So at this point we need to 80 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: talk about the sequence of events, the circumstances of these individuals, 81 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: and keep in mind um keep in mind what we 82 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: said earlier. I love the point you made, Matt. There 83 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: obviously were people who went missing before and people who 84 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: went missing after. But the eight people we will introduce 85 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: you to today have never been found, no bodily trace, 86 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: no allegations that they contacted someone years later. They simply 87 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: seem to have disappeared the very first disappearance. Each of 88 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: these has unique distinct aspects, right, and we can't. I 89 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: think it's probably best to treat each one as a 90 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: unique case before we try to connect them all other 91 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: than with those three commonalities. All women, all disappearing in 92 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: this eastern Coast of Ireland area, and all still missing today. 93 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 1: First disappearance, Annie McCarrick, went missing in March. She was 94 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: not from Ireland, No, she wasn't, but she was of 95 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: Irish descent, or you know, at least had Irish roots, 96 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: Irish blood, and was very very interested in exploring that 97 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: on a solo trip to Ireland. She was from Long Island, 98 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: New York um and at the time of her disappearance 99 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: was living in Sandy Mount, which is a coastal suburb 100 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: of Dublin. She was twenty six uh. She was last 101 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: seen in the Wicklow Town of Nn Scary Uh, and 102 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: is presumed to be dead. And it's interesting too because 103 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: she was she she went to Ireland by herself. She's 104 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: clearly someone who was very let's say, self possessed and 105 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: had kind of drive because she wanted to explore this 106 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: part of her heritage. Uh. And she didn't have any friends, 107 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,559 Speaker 1: and she was known to be pretty outspoken and good 108 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: at you know, kind of never never met a stranger 109 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: type person, you know. Yeah, and Uh. With her disappearance, 110 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: she was a bit far from where she lives in 111 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: Sandy Mount where we discussed that's where she was residing 112 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: at least while she was in Ireland. She was seen 113 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: at a post office down in I think it's what 114 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: do we say in the scary And she may or 115 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: may not have been seen at a place called Johnny 116 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: Fox's Pub, uh, which is a bit further away from 117 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: that area. And we tried, we just so everyone knows, 118 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: we attempted to make a Google Earth map of all 119 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: these disappearances and we're going to continue working on that 120 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: after this episode, but uh, you can It's it's interesting 121 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: to see how far some people traveled on the day 122 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: or night that they disappeared, how far they are they 123 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: are believed to have traveled exactly. We very quickly get 124 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: into situations where investigators have to question the credibility of 125 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: some witnesses, and you know, in defense of many of 126 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: the witnesses involved, h people will tend to be honest 127 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: when they say I saw something, I saw someone I 128 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: cannot confirm. Um, but you're you're right with the distances 129 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: because it was a dark, wet night, uh during during 130 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: the time of mccaric's disappearance, and it seems odd that 131 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: she would have walked what is its six kilometers distance 132 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: through the weather, you know, m but that seems to 133 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: be the case. She was, as we said, never never 134 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: seen again. However, stay tuned because at the end of 135 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: this episode, we do have some updates that may interest you. 136 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: Almost breaking news. Just a few months later, on July, 137 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: Eva Brennan from wrath Gard disappears. She was thirty nine 138 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: at the time of the disappearance, and she was last 139 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: she She was last seen leaving her parents house. She 140 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: had gone over there and grabbed lunch with the family. 141 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: Interesting part of this case. Despite the disappearance of McCarrick 142 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: just a few months earlier. Uh, the GUARDA did not investigate. 143 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: The authorities here did not investigate Brennan's disappearance for at 144 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: least three months. I was definitely a bit weird there 145 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: that they didn't do that. The problems, to my understanding, 146 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: is that she was an adult and there was no 147 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: sign of any kind of you know, break in at 148 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,479 Speaker 1: the house or any kind of foul play. At least initially, 149 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: there was nothing that would speak to her disappearing for 150 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: any reason other than she just left. And that's, at 151 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: least according to the authorities, that was why there was 152 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: no investigation for that amount of time. But of course, 153 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: as the family knowing that your loved one is gone 154 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: and this is not normal for them, Um, that is 155 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: excruciating and I can't imagine what that family must have 156 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: gone through. And you hit the nail on the head there, 157 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: because again it's not the process of investigation moves differently 158 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: if we're talking about a thirteen year old person versus 159 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: a thirty nine year old person. So fast forward a 160 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: little less than a year January third, twenty two year 161 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: old Emelda Keenan disappears. She is from Montmelick or Mountain Melick, 162 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: So there there are a couple multiple witnesses who saw 163 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: her walking. She was last seen crossing the road at 164 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: a corner of the place called the Tower Hotel in 165 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: Lombard Street. This was mid afternoon. This wasn't in the 166 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: middle of the night. She had left her apartment around 167 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: one pm. I believe that's correct. Another really strange thing 168 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: because she's you know, we said she's from what was it, 169 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: Mountain Melick, which is quite a distance away from where 170 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: she was staying with her boyfriend. I think at the 171 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: time her boyfriend's name was Mark wall Um, and she 172 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: was living. Her place of residence was very close to 173 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: where she was last seen there by the Tower Hotel. 174 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: Just a weird situation the middle of the day and 175 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: then she's gone. Then we have a Josephine Dullard Jojo 176 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: to her friends, who disappeared on November nine at the 177 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: age of twenty one. She was the thing in Harold's 178 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: Cross and disappeared while hitch hiking home from Dublin. Um 179 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: and if I'm not mistaken, she was a waitress um 180 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: at a at a nearby restaurant and I had some 181 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: card trouble, I believe, and last was seen using a 182 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: pay phone. Police pulled the phone records and found that 183 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: she called her friend Mary Cullen in at seven and 184 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: end of the call just as she was about to 185 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: enter this other car uh, the driver of which remains unidentified. 186 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: And and with JoJo's case, there are conflicting witness stories 187 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: kind of as we mentioned with Annie's case, there's it's 188 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: tough to know who's telling the truth, who actually saw 189 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: Jojo get into or get out of a car, because 190 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: there were a few other witnesses that came forward, and 191 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: they're also some kind of strange reports and I don't 192 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: know what to believe or not because you know, I'm 193 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: looking at sources, sources like the Mirror dot Coda at 194 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: UK or the Mirror Irish, the Irish Mirror, I guess, 195 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: and it's just tough to know what's real or what's not. 196 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: But there are some stories in there about her possibly 197 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: getting into a car with two men um maybe not. 198 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: And there's even a story in the said mirror that 199 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: we can talk about later about a guarda member that 200 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: maybe knew the identity of her killer but was unable 201 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: to come forward with it. Now, is this the one 202 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: where there was also a story of someone seeing her 203 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: like get out of the car and and like under 204 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: duress and like runs kind of from the scene because 205 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: and I know one of these there was an account 206 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: of someone witnessing one of these women like actually very 207 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: violently exiting a car and then running away. You know, honestly, 208 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: I can't remember if that was Jojo or not. And 209 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: it's also a little bit hard to discern what is 210 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: here saying what's been kind of built into some of 211 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: the folklore of these stories over the years, because it's 212 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: very you could find you can find videos online of 213 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: people talking about this, and the story seemed to evolve 214 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: outside of what reporting exists. Yeah, there are a lot 215 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: of twist. Again, each of these cases is as distinct 216 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: as a fingerprint, and like the driver of that car, 217 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: Dollard has also never been found. Fast forward February. Cr 218 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: Breen from Dundalk disappears at the age of seventeen. She 219 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: this is this is different from some of the other 220 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: cases because she was at her mother's house. Her mother 221 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: is named Burned, and they went to sleep and according 222 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: to the mother's statement to authorities, she awoke a little 223 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: bit north of two am and decided to use the 224 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: restroom and when she did, she found her daughter missing 225 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: and a window propped open. This led her to believe 226 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: that her daughter had stuck out with the intention of 227 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: coming back. And there's been speculation that she was actually 228 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: sneak king away because she had a boyfriend that she 229 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: didn't think her parents would approve of. Further speculation that 230 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: this uh, this boyfriend may have himself been married. But 231 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: in either case, that was the last trace of her, 232 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: and we don't we don't have to get into her 233 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: right now, but there was a primary suspect in that 234 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: case that ends up being kind of important and connecting 235 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: to some other things. But then the leads, you know, 236 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: don't really appear to go anywhere, but we can. We 237 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: can jump into that later, and like you said, when 238 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: she she is still missing. So then let's go to 239 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: the next person that went missing. Fiona Pender. She was 240 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: from Tullamore and she went missing on August nine, six uh. 241 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: She was twenty five years old and unfortunately and terribly, 242 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: she was seven months pregnant when she went missing. That's 243 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: pretty rough. The last confirmed sighting of her was by 244 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: her boyfriend, man named John Thompson, and her boyfriend saw 245 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: her leave the apartment that they shared together. And there's 246 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: something a bit strange with this case. Um Ben, you've 247 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: you found this as well as I. Something happened in 248 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: two thousan Yes, yeah, over at the sleeve Bloom Way, 249 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: which is at the border of Awfully and forgive our 250 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: pronunciation here, folks uh loislaus l a O. I s 251 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: at that border on the sleeve Bloom Way, people found 252 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: a small wooden cross with the name Fiona Pender on it, 253 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,239 Speaker 1: and this naturally led some people to believe that Pender 254 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: was buried somewhere in the sleeve Bloom Mountains. There's much 255 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: more to each of these stories. Again, we're just establishing 256 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: the bare bones facts here. So the seventh individual grouped 257 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: in the vanishing triangle is one Feo Synat. She disappeared 258 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: on February eight She was from ross Lair, but she 259 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: was living in Broadway at the time. She was last 260 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: publicly seen leaving a place called Butler's Pub with the 261 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: guy knew, Sean Carrol, who was her ex boyfriend and 262 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: the father of her then eleven month old daughter. The authorities, 263 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: of course, spoke to Sean Carol at length, and we 264 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: know we know his rough account of of the events 265 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,239 Speaker 1: of the night. But we should also note that he 266 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: was not just to be clear, he was not accused 267 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: of having a hand in the disappearance. So here's what 268 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: Carol tells them. He said that he was with Snat 269 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: at Butler's pub. They left, he walked with her back 270 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: to her house and he slept on the couch, and 271 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: she said she had been complaining of some pay in 272 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: her upper body and her arms, and so she said, look, 273 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm just going to go to bed straight away, call 274 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: it a night. And then, according again to his account, 275 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: on the next day, Monday, February nine, he walked into 276 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: her bedroom and he found her awake. She said she 277 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: was still hurting and she went to hitchhike take a 278 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: ride to see a doctor later in the day. He 279 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: says that she had no no money on her so 280 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: he gave her three pounds I think, yeah, and that 281 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: was it and then she was gone and we we 282 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's terrible because we only have the story 283 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: of her her boyfriend at the time. It's just her 284 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: ex boyfriend I guess, and the father of her child. 285 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: So you know, obviously for authorities, he's going to be 286 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: suspect number one. Uh to to our knowledge, he was 287 00:18:54,760 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: never formally charged with anything dealing with Fiona's disappearance. But um, 288 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: there's still some weird stuff because there's discrepancies in the 289 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: story here. There were several There was no evidence that 290 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: she had either gone to the doctor or hitchhike at all. Also, 291 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: her house had been seemingly you know, kind of rolled, 292 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: uh stripped of notable personal belongings. Um. There is a 293 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: retired detective sergeant named Alan Bailey who said that there 294 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: was a quote complete absence of clothing and other personal 295 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: items indicating that a teenage girl and her eleven month 296 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: old daughter were actually living there. Uh so not necessarily 297 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: looking not necessarily the appearance that those things had been removed, 298 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: more so the appearance that there never were there to 299 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: begin with. Um. And then the news started to spread 300 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: of a disappearance, a local farmer came out to authorities 301 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: with the news that he had discovered a number of 302 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: black Duffel bags in the corner of one of his fields. 303 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: They had some pretty interesting and damning contents. And just 304 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: wanna remind everybody here were we mentioned just a moment 305 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: ago that there's no indication that a teenage girl lived there. 306 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: Or you know, a child of a baby. Um, we 307 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: should just note here that Fiona was only nineteen at 308 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: the time she disappeared. And back to this farmer. He 309 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: tells investigators that he found these these a number of 310 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: black backs, and inside these bags he found items and 311 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: documents that had Fiona's name written upon them. So this 312 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: is smoking gun evidence, right, This, This is something that 313 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: builds a serious case if it still existed, because you see, unfortunately, 314 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: the farmer said that he had burned these bags before 315 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: he realized how important they were. He thought this was 316 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: he had another case of illegal dumping, right, and he 317 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: thought there were just people who are littering or purging 318 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: the house and just throwing it to the wayside, which 319 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: is which is a shame that words have a tough 320 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: time really articulating, you know what I mean, that's weird 321 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: from all angles. I just want to be an investigator 322 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: on the ground there be like, oh really, okay, you 323 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: burned them all? Interesting? Okay, cool? Oh really so you 324 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: were slept on the couch. I just want to interrogate everybody. 325 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: Ben all right, let's go. So our last one here, 326 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: eighteen year old dear dreg Jacob. She is home she 327 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: was in London at the time, but she had traveled 328 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 1: home to Newbridge for the summer, and on July she 329 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: disappears in in in an enormously tragic way. She is 330 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: She's like on the way to her parents house. She's 331 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: very close to her parents house. Multiple witnesses in cars 332 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: saw her, like you're within yards of her parents driveway, 333 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: and she never made it. And no one knows what happened, 334 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: or no one has come forward with knowledge of what happened. 335 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: Like the other seven individuals, she too seems to have disappeared. 336 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: So some people have included additional disappearances as part of 337 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: a larger pattern here. But you'll find that most official 338 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: inquiries now list these eight individuals as the core the 339 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: core people in question, and in the decades following, a 340 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: multitude of authorities, journalists, authors and more have searched for 341 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: answers to these haunting questions. Should be no surprise that 342 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: theories abound. So what happened? We'll explore that after a 343 00:22:50,760 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. Be 344 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: behind the curtain, as we sometimes say, Uh, the three 345 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: of us were we're working over time to make sure 346 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: we were just putting out the facts in the beginning, 347 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 1: because these all have a number of theories from like 348 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: maybe possibly but no proof level of theories to disturbingly plausible. 349 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: Would you guys say that's accurate. I think that's extremely accurate. 350 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,959 Speaker 1: And the big, the big question here is with all 351 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: of these eight disappearances, is it even possible that one 352 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: suspect could connect all of them or maybe a few 353 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: of them, maybe most of them. You know, it's not 354 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: it's within the realm of possibility. But as we've just 355 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: described to you before the break there that the many 356 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: of the disappearances do feel similar where there's a vanishing 357 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: in you know, out of nowhere, just in the middle 358 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,239 Speaker 1: of the day, as with deer Drew there and a 359 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: few others that we talked about Emelda. A few others 360 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: feel a bit different and almost like they maybe shouldn't 361 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: even be added on this list because they appear to 362 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: have been, you know, with loved ones at the time 363 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: when they disappeared or right before they disappeared. There's just 364 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: some strangeness in here. But the big question is is 365 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: there any one person that connects more than one of 366 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: these victims? He the most the most telling connective element 367 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: is the fact that none of these have any there's 368 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: there's no body, you know, and and for it being 369 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: such a relatively small georaphical area. UM. You know, most 370 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: disappearances like this, if they were random, if they were 371 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: random abductions or you know, domestic or something like that, 372 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: you would have a body. I'm glad that you bring 373 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: that up, because that's that's something that's going to come 374 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: into played later. And I believe it was. I believe 375 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 1: it was in our earlier Listener male segment on this. Uh. 376 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: I can't remember whether it made it to air guys, 377 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: but there are rumors that areas of the Wicklow Mountains 378 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: are known uh body dumping spots for criminal elements. It's 379 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: a tremendously unpleasant thing. But I promise you whatever city 380 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: you live in, anywhere in the world, there are always 381 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: places like that. There's uh there's areas of a place 382 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: called Douglasville, which is outside the perimeter of Atlanta, which 383 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: is a known dumping spot. There are areas of southwest 384 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: Atlanta as well. And this is not This is not 385 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: to say Atlanta is any better, worse, or different. Places 386 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: like these are around. You just don't hear them. Talked 387 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: about too often. Yeah, and and Kira, you know who 388 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: is from Ireland. She identified that her father is someone 389 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: that would say, yeah, be careful the mountain range over there, 390 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: that is it's tough to even walk around in those 391 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: mountains without finding a body. That was the quote I 392 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: believe from her father. So, yeah, they exist in the 393 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: in this this area where this triangle is is one 394 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: of them. Uh. And and we'll we'll return to the 395 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: question of remains in a moment. Let's let's yeah, let's 396 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: look at whatever connective tissue may exist outside of the 397 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: circumstances of the disappearances. There is one name you will hear, 398 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: and you have heard this often if you're familiar with 399 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,719 Speaker 1: the case, as of a criminal named Larry Murphy. Larry 400 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: Murphy has been convicted of rape. He's also been a 401 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: prominent person of interest for the disappearance the disappearances of 402 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: at least three of these eight individuals, Annie McCarrick, Josephine 403 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: jo Joe Dullard and dear dre Jacob. This is because 404 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: all three vanished close to the area where he lived 405 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: at the time in this mid to late nineties. Tie 406 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: him free. So let's let's learn a little bit more 407 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: about him and why so many people are certain that 408 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: he had some sort of involvement. It's very much not 409 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: a good person, by the way, spoiler alert. And the 410 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: dude is stinking famous in a gross way, yes, and 411 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: let's infamous perhaps, Yeah, well you decide. Uh. Murphy was 412 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: convicted and imprisoned in two thousand one for the rape 413 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 1: and attempted murder of a Carlo businesswoman the previous year. 414 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: In two thousands, he was attempting to strangle her in 415 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: a wooded area of the Wicklow Mountains at night when 416 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: he was surprised by two hunters who happened upon the 417 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: scene and took manners into their own hands thankfully. Do 418 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: you do you guys? Do you guys remember that story? 419 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: That was the one where he had assaulted her once, 420 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: like took her out of she he abducted her, assaulted 421 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: her once after he took her out of the vehicle, 422 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: put her back in the vehicle, drove her to another place, 423 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: and and was doing it again. So we see a 424 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: location change. Uh. We also see clear intent to murder 425 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: this person. And as we mentioned in that previous episode, 426 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 1: Murphy has claimed he is not connected to any of 427 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: the eight disappearances. He has been questioned multiple times, but 428 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: to date, the official position of the authorities is that 429 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: they don't have solid evidence linking him to a case, 430 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: Like they haven't found any um anything that they can 431 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: really build a bedrock case on here. And there are 432 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: a couple of things that do seem to connect him 433 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: right the he had I think he took a job 434 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: very close to one person that disappeared. Um it was 435 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: dear dre where where he was a carpenter correct, mm hmm. 436 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: And that was yeah, that was over in New Bridge. 437 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: I remember, I remember that. Um. I don't I don't 438 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: even want to like give this guy anymore. I don't 439 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: want to talk about him much more. But it is 440 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: weird to note that in Irish publications when this guy, 441 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: Larry Murphy got out of prison, he like he made 442 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: the news when he got out of prison because everyone 443 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: was aware of him. And then as he moves around 444 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: there are sightings of Larry Murphy that are rewarded all 445 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: over the place. It's noted in publications who he's hanging 446 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: out with, where he's hanging out. I guess that's what 447 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: I mean when by he's famous in a gross way. Um, 448 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: there's a fear about him, as there should be, I 449 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: would say, but but there's also a fascination with him. 450 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, he's I would say notorious is 451 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: a good word as well. You're right he was. While 452 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: he was in Ireland, he was visited by a member 453 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: of the authorities every month because he was considered a 454 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: high risk of ent are also followed by playing clothes 455 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: police and so on. However, he did travel to Spain. Uh. 456 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: He was spotted in November in Amsterdam. Where's living with 457 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: a friend who is also a criminal, a violent sex offender. Uh. 458 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: And as often, he's believed to have moved to South London. 459 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: There's another part we need to put in here. That's 460 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: just about the timeline. Uh. No disappearances occurred while Murphy 461 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: was locked up in prison for his earlier attack. I 462 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: believe the court could have given him life in prison, 463 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: but he was only sentenced to fifteen years. So that's 464 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: part of the public outcry when he was released him. 465 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: For people who believe that Murphy is linked to all 466 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: of these the fact that no disappearances occurred when he 467 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: was imprisoned seemed to add wait to their case. But 468 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: you have to remember he was convicted in January of 469 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: two thousand one, and the last vanishing triangle case occurs 470 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: in nineteen So it's not it's not you know what 471 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 1: I mean, It's not the same thing as hard proof. 472 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: The other piece of proof, as we mentioned, is that 473 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: Murphy works as a carpenter, carpenter by trade, and he 474 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: had done he had done some work at that grandmother's 475 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: shop there in New Bridge. But also we have to 476 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: note that dear d Jacob's mother has publicly stated that 477 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: she does not believe Murphy was involved in the disappearance 478 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: of her daughter. You know that that is that is 479 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: the parent, that's not an official investigator. But I think 480 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: it's worth noting that the family members, the mother in particular, 481 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: does not leave that he had a hand in this. 482 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: Let's go back to the point you mentioned, Noll. The 483 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: were the most troubling commonality, the lack of a body. 484 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: It's unusual for people to vanish UH. If we take 485 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: the cases of Eva Brennan and Fiona Pender will find 486 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: that there there's been speculation that links them to UH 487 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: two other disappearances that later did prove to be murders. 488 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: There are two people whose bodies have been found Antoinette 489 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: Smith and Patricia Doherty. Yeah, I mean this this you 490 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: could argue this is like, this breaks the pattern. Um. 491 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: Eva Brennan and Fiona Pender have also been linked to 492 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: the murders of Antoinette Smith and Patricia Doherty. Smith, who 493 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: was a twenty seven year old separated mother of two, 494 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: went missing in July and her body was discovered the 495 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: following June in a shallow grave in Killikee. Uh. And 496 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: that's in the foothills of the Dublin Mountains. Uh. Doherty, 497 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: on the other hand, Age thirty four, disappeared while shopping 498 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: on the three December in ninete and her remains were 499 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: found in June of by men digging turf in the 500 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: same area of the Dublin Mountains. So what if they're 501 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,479 Speaker 1: not actually connected? Um, I mean, you know, there's a 502 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: lot of woods in this part of the world. There's 503 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: a lot of like places to bury bodies. But then, Matt, 504 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: weren't you saying that? In the listener mail segment there 505 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: was somebody say almost practically like you walk around, you're 506 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: gonna stumble on a body. Yeah, yeah, that that was 507 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: what our our listeners father had to say about the 508 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: subject um. Just something something I want to point out here, 509 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: the Killikee or Killock, I don't know how to say, 510 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: the Killikee foothills of the Dublin Mountains. This is that 511 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: same mountain range that we were talking about is just 512 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: south of Dublin. If you're looking at a map, and 513 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: it would be like if you've lived in Dublin and 514 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: something had occurred there within the city or right in 515 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 1: the outskirts of the city, and you just drove towards 516 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: the mountains, that's where you would end up. Is killicky essentially. Yeah, 517 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: So let's say the quiet part out loud. Many many 518 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: people began to think this could be the work of 519 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: one person, if not necessarily uh Larry Murphy, who again 520 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: has not been convicted of anything related to these eight disappearances. 521 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: The word people had in the front of their minds 522 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: was serial killer or the term I should say the phrase. 523 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: And it is crucial to note that authorities have not 524 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: officially publicly stated they think whether they think it's all 525 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: the work of a single person. You'll find some reporting 526 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: on this issue. It seems to imply that the authorities 527 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 1: suspected a serial killer for all the disappearances. Remember, these 528 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: are still technically not murders at this point. This this 529 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: is somewhat misleading. For sure, there can be individuals in 530 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: law enforcement who may believe that to be true, but 531 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: that's not the same thing as as the authorities taken 532 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: an official position. In at least three of these cases, 533 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 1: the Guardia strongly suspect that there was a personal motive 534 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: to these murders. That has, regrettably so often happens. The 535 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: killer was someone the victim news, one from their own life, 536 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: and a different person each time. So cr Breen went 537 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: missing when she snuck out of the house to supposedly 538 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: meet this secret lover who may or may not have 539 00:35:53,960 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: been married. UH. Law enforcement for time had a specific suspect, 540 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 1: and they were They were a little vague, but pretty 541 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: clear that they think the answer to the case maybe 542 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: closer to home. They also say they believe Fiona Synots 543 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: killer was someone she knew. UH. In the Fiona Pender case, 544 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 1: there was a specific suspect who seemed to have dated 545 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 1: her for a time and was later tried for some 546 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: sexual assault crimes in Canada. UH. This this man was 547 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: forty one years old. He was arrested for assaulting and 548 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: threatening to kill his wife. This arrest later led to 549 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: what appeared to be new information in the Fiona Pender case. Uh, 550 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: the way that the way that the legalities of this work. 551 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: The man couldnt be publicly identified due to a ban 552 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: on anything that would I identify the victim in a 553 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: sexual assault case. So it's not for his protection, it's 554 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 1: for the victim's protection. So there's definitely more to discuss here, 555 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: and we're gonna, you know, we we've we've talked about 556 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: a couple of things that we're going to hit on 557 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: in just a few moments, but first we need to 558 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: take a break and we'll be right back after a 559 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor. So we've covered some of the 560 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,439 Speaker 1: other considerations here. Well, what about other people that weren't 561 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,240 Speaker 1: missing during this time period? Also, why did the disappearances 562 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: stop or were they simply you know, not reported later. 563 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 1: These are important questions and there aren't solid answers yet, 564 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: but we do see some potential light at the end 565 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: of this tunnel in a couple of different cases. So 566 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: remember Annie mccaricic. Just this past September, man named Michael 567 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: griff a lawyer based in New York teamed up with 568 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: an ex FBI agent named Kenneth Strange. Michael Griffith was 569 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: hired by the Meccaic family back in the nineties to 570 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: assist with their investigation, and just just a few months ago, 571 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 1: Griffith and Strange came forward with their news. They believed 572 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: they found a new lead. There's a woman named Margaret 573 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: Wogan who says she saw Annie McCarrick on the day 574 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: of disappearance with a man in a cafe in is Scary. 575 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 1: Wogan unfortunately has passed on uh. She she was working 576 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: in the Poppies cafe and she said, I saw a 577 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: man approach to Annie McCarrick in the cafe and offered 578 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: to buy her a slice of cake. But she never 579 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: gave a formal statement about this incident. She told her 580 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: daughter about what she saw and now this team of 581 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: investigators believe this piece of information be the key to 582 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: solving her murder. As we record, they do say they've 583 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: identified a suspect. They've spoken with Irish law enforcement, but 584 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: this suspect's name has yet to be released to the public. 585 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: M Yeah, I actually heard this angle briefly discussed in 586 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: a in a podcast that I listened to UH the 587 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: other day called Morbid that I actually quite enjoyed. UM. 588 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: They did a two partner on this subject, and one 589 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: of the theories, UM that's being discussed a bit on Reddit. 590 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: There's a lot of deep conversation about this on Reddit 591 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: is you know, this was a person we described at 592 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,240 Speaker 1: the top of the show kind of exploring her Irish roots, 593 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: who was very outspoken about how fascinated she was about 594 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: all things Irish um and you know, really wanted to 595 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: kind of have an authentic experience. And there's a theory 596 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: that the gentleman in question here could have been a 597 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: member of the former member of the i r a UM, 598 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: the Irish Republican Army. And as we know that they 599 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: they you know, they can get involved and it's it's 600 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: something resembling it's not I mean, it is like a 601 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: how would you describe the ira A. I mean, it's 602 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: almost resembling organized crime and the fact that they like 603 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: do they they have feuds and there's bombings and there's 604 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: lots of covert activities. Right, So the ira A, the 605 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: Irish Republican Army, you could describe them as paramilitary organizations, 606 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: but they've they've gone through quite a few changes over 607 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: over the years, even while even while we were alive, 608 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: you know, for sure, for sure, um. But the fact 609 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: is that there there are lots of illegal activities that 610 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: folks involved when the ira A can get into, including 611 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: bombings and you know, um strategic moves on rival factions. 612 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 1: And the theory that was discussed on this podcast, UM 613 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: was that that this gentleman was capitalizing on the fact that, uh, 614 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: this young lady was very interested in all things Irish 615 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: and perhaps got a little loose lipped about some of 616 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: his I r A activities while drinking um, you know, 617 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: at this pub, at this restaurant, and then perhaps sense 618 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 1: that she was starting to kind of get weirded out 619 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,880 Speaker 1: a little bit, or that he had maybe gone a 620 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: little too far um and trying to impress her, and 621 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: then decided he needed to do something about it because 622 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: because Annie was the one who was possibly last seen 623 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,359 Speaker 1: at that Fox is it wasn't Fox and Hound Pub, 624 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: that's interesting, the Johnny Foxes Pub. And we have further 625 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: updates in the case of Jojo Dullard in particular. We 626 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: have to remember that once these headlines leave the evening news, 627 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: the story continues and the investigation continues as well, and 628 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 1: even if years passed, cases like the Golden State Killer 629 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: proved that investigations can make breakthrough. So let's let's talk 630 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: a little bit about a little bit about Jojo, because 631 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: there's a allegation of a cover up in this one too, 632 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: I believe. Oh yeah, And it comes directly from from 633 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 1: the parents, from Mary and Martin, the parents of of 634 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: Jojo Dollard. And this was a story that was published 635 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: in ten in the Irish Mirror. Again it's the Irish Mirror. 636 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: We don't you know, who knows if it's fully true 637 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: or not, but the parents do seem to be involved. 638 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: There are pictures of the parents on the publication. Uh, 639 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: And we're just gonna tell you what it says. According 640 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: to the family, there was a meeting between the family 641 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: and some of the law enforcement there the GARDA, and 642 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: according to the family, there was a senior official that's 643 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: what they're calling this person, somebody high up in the 644 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: organization that for some reason let them know that the 645 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: authorities knew the identity of the person that had abducted, raped, 646 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: and killed their daughter, but they were unable to do 647 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 1: anything about it. They were unable to make the investigation 648 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: go any further, they said, quote the investigation won't go anywhere. 649 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: And apparently this person even gave intense details about what 650 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: happened to their daughter, about how she was quote wrapped 651 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: in plastic and buried ten feet underground, specifically using a digger, 652 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,720 Speaker 1: all kinds of things that only someone who had actually 653 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,800 Speaker 1: found a body would would know if if it was true, 654 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: right um. And according to the family, they believed this 655 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: person was telling the truth. They thought it was you know, 656 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: actual information they didn't understand. They also alleged that there 657 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 1: was some kind of smear campaign, and there was a 658 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: bit of a smear campaign that was put out against 659 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: Jojo Dollard. And this has happened before when women go missing, 660 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: where the character of the victim is called into question 661 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: for some reason or another, when you're thinking about motive 662 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,280 Speaker 1: and suspect and who could have been um victim blaming 663 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,720 Speaker 1: in a lot of cases is what you could probably 664 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: refer to it as there's just there's some really interesting 665 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: stuff that was laid out here by the family. The 666 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: biggest thing to note is that, according to this story, 667 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 1: the person that was being protected the you know, the 668 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 1: murderer or the suspect in this case was allegedly someone 669 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: in politics or close to politics or politics adjacent and 670 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: that's why this person was being protected. And this this 671 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: case continues. There are more updates here. We know that 672 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,360 Speaker 1: later in twenty nineteen, an Irish priest came forward saying 673 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: that he received an anonymous letter that could help illuminate 674 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: the mystery what happened to Jojo Dullard. This this is 675 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: strange because he said that he received the letter after 676 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 1: there was another public appeal for more information about her disappearance, 677 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,359 Speaker 1: and he received this letter in twenty sixteen. He says 678 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,719 Speaker 1: he brought it straight to the authorities and that this 679 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: letter had the writer. The author of this letter stated 680 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: they had information uh in relation to missing persons, and 681 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 1: the priest believed it was in reference to Jojo Dullard, 682 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,479 Speaker 1: although the anonymous author did not mention this person by name. 683 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: How does this all shake out at this point, we 684 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,399 Speaker 1: don't know yet, but we can tell you that as 685 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: of October twenty twenty uh the GUARDIA has upgraded the 686 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: case of Jojo Dullard to a murder hunt. Their Serious 687 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 1: Crime Review Team and the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation 688 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,879 Speaker 1: launched a review of the case back in February, and 689 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: they concluded that uh, serious harm was done to her, 690 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: that she died by some violent end, and they are 691 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 1: now treating her disappearance as a murder investigation. So something happened. 692 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,240 Speaker 1: It's not public yet, but something is there, and something 693 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: convinced the investigators that there there was more to learn 694 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: about this case. Yeah, it really doesn't make you wonder 695 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: what caused, what triggered the investigation to turn this way 696 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,320 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, all these years later. We're gonna 697 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 1: certainly keep our ear to the ground and see if 698 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 1: anything comes up. And in the meantime, we would like 699 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:34,240 Speaker 1: to hear from you. Uh, this this case bears more investigation. 700 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,799 Speaker 1: There there's some wonderful literature out on this if you'd 701 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: like to read more. But also recommend keeping an eye 702 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: on the developments in the investigation of law enforcement as 703 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: these As we said, uh, investigations into these cases continue today. 704 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,440 Speaker 1: Let us know what you think. Do you think Larry 705 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,080 Speaker 1: Murphy was involved? Do you think there is a cover 706 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,840 Speaker 1: up of foot Do you think there is one person 707 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 1: responsible for these disappearances or do you believe it's multiple people. 708 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 1: We want to hear from you. We try to make 709 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,879 Speaker 1: ourselves easy to find online. You can find us on 710 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,440 Speaker 1: Facebook and Twitter, where we are conspiracy stuff. On Instagram 711 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: we are conspiracy stuff show hey. And you can even 712 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 1: find us individually on Instagram. Right Ken, Matt, what's yours today? 713 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 1: It's for today, It's you can't find it at instagram 714 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 1: dot com. Oh come on, you're not going to use 715 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,399 Speaker 1: the cream corn kid, not this time? Okay, all right, Well, 716 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,960 Speaker 1: while you're searching for Matt's, you can find mine at 717 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,320 Speaker 1: how now Noel Brown, I'm pretty much just on Instagram. 718 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 1: I just kind of lark on Twitter. You can write 719 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,600 Speaker 1: to me directly on Instagram and questions suggestions for topics 720 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: at Ben Boling or you can do the same on 721 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 1: Twitter at Ben Bolling h s W. Because I did 722 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: not know that our company's name would change so very 723 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,480 Speaker 1: many times, I did the same thing initially, and I 724 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 1: just called mine underscore, I heart or something at this 725 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,359 Speaker 1: point out of frustration. But it's fine, who cares? But 726 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,760 Speaker 1: what But what if you don't sip the social meads? 727 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,799 Speaker 1: What what if you, like many other luminaries, have made 728 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,399 Speaker 1: the decision to desocialize yourself online, But you still have 729 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,839 Speaker 1: a tale to tell. Where do these people go? Mead 730 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,359 Speaker 1: like the drink? I get it now, ben, Oh, yes, exactly, Well, 731 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: don't drink the meads sometimes it's it's just way too 732 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,879 Speaker 1: sweet and it's just not what you're looking for. And 733 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 1: the honey, I don't know if there's something about it. 734 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 1: Doesn't it for a bit? Much of the gods? That's true. 735 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,120 Speaker 1: But instead take a deep long sip of yie old 736 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,759 Speaker 1: one eight three three st d w y t K. 737 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: It's the most delicious beverage you'll have all week of 738 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 1: We'll enjoy it too. It's really great. We get to 739 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 1: enjoy it while you enjoy this is weird. I love you, 740 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,240 Speaker 1: I love you? How weird our our calls the action 741 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:11,240 Speaker 1: getting folks? What one day if we ever make Mission 742 00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,799 Speaker 1: control or code named Doc super mad at us, they 743 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,879 Speaker 1: might just publish a collection of all the weird things 744 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 1: we've said at the end of shows that didn't make 745 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 1: it into the air. Please don't pull this, How about 746 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,440 Speaker 1: just how about this? Call us one three st d 747 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: w I t K. That's the number. Leave a message 748 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,359 Speaker 1: let us know if you don't want us to use 749 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,960 Speaker 1: your voice on the air, or your name or anything 750 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,680 Speaker 1: like that. Otherwise, well you just will so ha. But 751 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,440 Speaker 1: also if you want to, if you want to leave 752 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:45,320 Speaker 1: us a review on your pod catcher of choice, we'd 753 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,720 Speaker 1: love to hear from you there as well. That stuff 754 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,439 Speaker 1: does matter. We had a long running joke where we said, 755 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,200 Speaker 1: you know, every time we get a review, our boss 756 00:49:54,840 --> 00:50:00,440 Speaker 1: calls us and just criptically says, one more day's It's 757 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 1: not entirely true. We're exaggerating a little, but um, but 758 00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,160 Speaker 1: we do. We do very much appreciate. Should the spirit 759 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,440 Speaker 1: so move you. If you want to see our faces, 760 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,480 Speaker 1: then you can go to YouTube dot com slash conspiracy stuff. 761 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 1: Keep your eye on that. There's more to come. But 762 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,319 Speaker 1: if you don't like any of that, if you're if 763 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,400 Speaker 1: you're like, look, I'm a long form person like writing letters, 764 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,120 Speaker 1: then we have a digital letter box for you. You You 765 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,400 Speaker 1: can always find us seven and sixty what is it, 766 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:38,399 Speaker 1: career and sixty five this year? This year? Okay, well 767 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 1: before it is. You can. You can always find us 768 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,279 Speaker 1: at our good old fashioned email address where we are 769 00:50:43,719 --> 00:51:05,200 Speaker 1: conspiracy at I heart radio dot com m H. 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