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Speaker 2: in Oxnard, California's Cowboys training camp continues. We have two
Speaker 2: padded practices down. We've got a couple more to go
Speaker 2: before the Cowboys take on the Jaguars next Saturday in
Speaker 2: preseason game number one. Alongside John Machoda, Nick Harris, Isaiah
Speaker 2: stand Back, I'm Kyle Yeomans. Good news is we all
Speaker 2: survived the media party last night and we're here. But
Speaker 2: the even better news is that we are here and
Speaker 2: we're able to talk some cowboys today. Nick, that was
Speaker 2: your first experience? Pretty good?
Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty solid. Can't complain one bit.
Speaker 2: Good food, good company, and of course a couple drinks
Speaker 2: in there as well. We had a Miller Lite or
Speaker 2: two while we were out there, so that was always
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Speaker 5: That means it comes in a can. They sent us
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Speaker 5: if we had a shipment sitting down here camp.
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Speaker 2: what'd you think?
Speaker 4: I agree?
Speaker 2: I agree? This is a thing. John just get used
Speaker 2: to it every once in a while. Stand Back, He
Speaker 2: just looked into the one shot camera and he just
Speaker 2: decides to make a pitch to one of those sponsors.
Speaker 2: Happened with Esselore, It happened with all the different sponsors
Speaker 2: along the way. I don't even know if I can
Speaker 2: say their name yet, but anymore, but quicker oats, it'll
Speaker 2: happen at some point, Like yeah, it's always a he's
Speaker 2: a pro. He is a pro. He's a pros pro
Speaker 2: all right. H Like I said, two padded practices down,
Speaker 2: I want to get first impressions on how they've looked,
Speaker 2: how the team has looked through those two padded practices.
Speaker 2: But first I want to do It's kind of like
Speaker 2: news and notes for those that listened to the show
Speaker 2: last year, I would give it to Patrick, and Patrick
Speaker 2: will give news and notes. Before that, Rob was really
Speaker 2: big on it. But I want to split it up.
Speaker 2: I want everybody to give me one talking point. We
Speaker 2: kind of did it on Monday, where it's one one
Speaker 2: storyline that's really stuck out to you. But I'm gonna
Speaker 2: call him talking points. I just have a better name
Speaker 2: for it now since it is talking cowboys. But John,
Speaker 2: I'll let you start it off. What's the number one
Speaker 2: thing on your mind?
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not gonna say that this should be
Speaker 6: everybody's number one thing, but for me personally, it's really
Speaker 6: been the offensive line and developing anybody behind that starting five.
Speaker 6: I know we talked about it the other day, but
Speaker 6: especially with Zach Martin not being out here, that's my
Speaker 6: one area of concern is the depth of that offensive line,
Speaker 6: because I do believe that if they can develop some
Speaker 6: depth there that it can it can just fill a
Speaker 6: lot of holes, answer a lot of questions.
Speaker 7: Everything can click because of that.
Speaker 6: So you know, kind of it's just tough out here
Speaker 6: because they're going against a loaded defensive line, and so
Speaker 6: it's you know, I want to come away from these
Speaker 6: practices and share a bunch of stuff of like, no,
Speaker 6: this guy did this, and the defensive line looks monstrous.
Speaker 7: So it's like you, I'm.
Speaker 6: Really looking forward to the preseason games to kind of gauge, Okay,
Speaker 6: where are these some of these guys like Farniac and
Speaker 6: Josh Ball and and we'll let's go against some of
Speaker 6: those guys. But that to me, like when I look
Speaker 6: at the roster, I I'm always going back to the
Speaker 6: offensive line.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Nick on that regard.
Speaker 4: On the offensive line regard, Yeah, the depth worries me
Speaker 4: for sure. You know, I don't feel too comfortable if
Speaker 4: if Zach Martin is not on the field on Week one.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't feel comfortable if he is and then an
Speaker 4: injury happens somewhere down the line. So, like we've talked about,
Speaker 4: I think that's the only position group you could really
Speaker 4: look at and be like, Okay, that's a bit of
Speaker 4: a concern in the depth, Isaiah, he.
Speaker 2: Gives me the bubble, guts Coyle, Yeah, it gives me
Speaker 2: the bubbles. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You ever had like something that just doesn't sit right?
Speaker 5: They're not settled. I've got that feeling right now. You
Speaker 5: got it right now.
Speaker 2: If you gotta see Kyle, just lean up on one side,
Speaker 2: you'll know what it takes place.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just it's unsettling right now. And I am
Speaker 5: not only just because of Zach Martin's absence, but also
Speaker 5: because of the aspect of they're.
Speaker 2: Just moving a lot of guys around.
Speaker 5: And we get it, you know, you gotta protect Tiring,
Speaker 5: We get it, Te Stills coming off of injury. You know,
Speaker 5: we get it. Martin's not here. But like we, as
Speaker 5: you know analysts, we don't have anything to really rest
Speaker 5: on right now. And that's why these preseason games are
Speaker 5: going to be so influential and so it's, you know,
Speaker 5: so just prevalent because we need to know what our
Speaker 5: what's their game plan, because right now it doesn't feel
Speaker 5: as if there is one, even though we know there
Speaker 5: is it's it's it's like it's like a crap game
Speaker 5: right now, man, just d Dyson and you're kind of
Speaker 5: seeing it with falls.
Speaker 4: If you could point in any position group to be
Speaker 4: the Krypsonite on this team, is there, it's a runaway favorite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. In my mind, it would be offensive line.
Speaker 2: Does it make you feel any better though? The fact
Speaker 2: that they are going up against the defensive line that
Speaker 2: is so loaded, is so deep, and they have that
Speaker 2: talent level to where and Mike McCarthy talked about it
Speaker 2: the other day, where's it's almost an iron sharpens iron
Speaker 2: mentality where the offensive line, like John said, it's no
Speaker 2: doubt like they're struggling, but they're going up against one
Speaker 2: of the best defensive fronts of football. Does that provide
Speaker 2: at least a little bit of comfort in that situation?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 7: Yeah, no it does. They're gonna get great work.
Speaker 6: And that's the other thing like a lot of people
Speaker 6: might look at, is well, they need to go out
Speaker 6: there and go add somebody, add one of these, you know,
Speaker 6: a veteran free agent that you can maybe get on
Speaker 6: the cheap to help out it guards. Yeah, that could
Speaker 6: potentially happen, But It's kind of like the running back,
Speaker 6: the backup running back spot.
Speaker 7: They want to be able to see.
Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy wants to be able to see, like, what
Speaker 6: are these guys capable of?
Speaker 7: This is the time when you can see it.
Speaker 6: Let's see if we can develop somebody right now, this
Speaker 6: is the time to do it. So while we sit
Speaker 6: here and have questions about it, it could be going
Speaker 6: to That is the plan exactly.
Speaker 2: And I agree whole hardly on that.
Speaker 5: I do believe that they have a game plan, and
Speaker 5: they have a backup to the backup, and they have
Speaker 5: a backup to the backup to the backup. As we've
Speaker 5: seen over the past years, they've always had a game
Speaker 5: plan in that regard, and they are This is the
Speaker 5: time where you find out what your guys can and
Speaker 5: can't do. And I just can't wait for those preseason
Speaker 5: games to show up because you know that Tyrann's your
Speaker 5: left tackle right with If Tyron's not your left tackle,
Speaker 5: who's your left tackle? Well, I'm bumping Tyler right well
Speaker 5: behind Tyler, who is it? Well, that's what they're playing
Speaker 5: around with right now. You know, if they find themselves
Speaker 5: and that in that situation, they need to know what
Speaker 5: their capabilities are, and I'm not sure that we feel
Speaker 5: very holistically confident in that right now. The guard position
Speaker 5: is going to be something else. Are they going against
Speaker 5: really great talent? Absolutely? Defensive line is absolutely, they're They're
Speaker 5: freaking juggernauts out there. It's positive in the light that
Speaker 5: you get to go against high caliber talent. It's negative
Speaker 5: in the sense if you don't get an opportunity to
Speaker 5: see what these guys are truly capable of, because they're
Speaker 5: getting their butts kicked often, you know. So it's a
Speaker 5: it's a give and take, you know, when they go
Speaker 5: out there and they have oh, okay, this is gonna be easier,
Speaker 5: and yeah, they'll perform better than what we've seen out
Speaker 5: here at practice because of the caliber of talent. But
Speaker 5: at the same time, I don't know how effectively these
Speaker 5: coaches can really judge the production of the players when
Speaker 5: they're getting smacked up left and right by his amazing
Speaker 5: d line.
Speaker 7: One thing I just want to add real quick on that.
Speaker 6: It's also a part for me because there is changes
Speaker 6: on offense with bringing in Brian Shinheimer, with Mike McCarthy
Speaker 6: calling the plays. They talk about getting the play in
Speaker 6: early to Dak. If I'm a coach, I don't want
Speaker 6: Dak going up there. And the very first thing he's
Speaker 6: worried about is like, is this offensive line is gonna
Speaker 6: be whold? He's got so much on his plate, you know,
Speaker 6: with dissecting, is what's the defense doing right now? Like
Speaker 6: I need him to be as confident as possible in
Speaker 6: that offensive line in front of him.
Speaker 2: When we were talking the other day about the West
Speaker 2: Coast style and the West Coast concepts and making it
Speaker 2: simple on Dak post snap, does it make it harder
Speaker 2: on Dak pre snap walking up to the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 2: especially whenever there is an added element of okay, let's
Speaker 2: make sure I get blocked for this play. But is
Speaker 2: there an added it just not not concerned, I don't
Speaker 2: want to say, But is there an added pressure on
Speaker 2: him going up to the line of scrimmage to be
Speaker 2: able to read and be able to diagnose quicker and
Speaker 2: better because everything happens so quick after the snap. I don't.
Speaker 2: Had it been last year's system, I would say yes.
Speaker 5: But being at the West Coast system is a quick release,
Speaker 5: get the ball out of your hands quickly type of setting.
Speaker 5: This office line isn't going to have to hold their
Speaker 5: blocks for an expanded duration of time, nothing like last year.
Speaker 2: Usually.
Speaker 5: You know, from a quarterbacks perspective, if I'm under the center,
Speaker 5: it's three step game. Majority of this passing game is
Speaker 5: three steps, three step game or play action. I'm not
Speaker 5: saying there's not five and seven steps there is, but
Speaker 5: majority of it is three steps.
Speaker 2: Getting out your hands quickly.
Speaker 5: Your receivers are getting about five to seven yards, your
Speaker 5: tightens are getting aboutive to seven yards down the field.
Speaker 2: You always have a short option.
Speaker 5: You always have an intermediate option around ten to twelve yards,
Speaker 5: which your receivers get there.
Speaker 2: That's your five step read. It's really gonna be like
Speaker 2: your second option.
Speaker 5: So you have a three step read, you have a
Speaker 5: five step read, and then you have a hey, just
Speaker 5: get rid of it or take off read. So I
Speaker 5: don't foresee them having to hold their blocks, which is
Speaker 5: place to their benefit. You don't need a bunch of
Speaker 5: absolute dogs up there to hold hold the ground all
Speaker 5: day long. But for those instances, you still need a
Speaker 5: solid offensive line, and I think that Dallas Cowboys will
Speaker 5: have that. Right now, We're just looking at the second
Speaker 5: and third strings. And trying to figure out, Okay, if
Speaker 5: these scenarios that have represented themselves in recent years, you know,
Speaker 5: obviously show back up, who's going to be the one
Speaker 5: that rises to the top, you know.
Speaker 4: And that's kind of a double edged sword though, because
Speaker 4: while it does help you, I guess a bad offensive
Speaker 4: line never helps you. But I guess it's better to have.
Speaker 4: Whenever you have a quick release game and a quick
Speaker 4: release offense, you have to get the running game facilitated
Speaker 4: in some way too. And if you can't get that
Speaker 4: with the offensive line, that could happen. If you know,
Speaker 4: Zach doesn't show up and an injury happens, you know,
Speaker 4: that's that's when we started seeing at doomsday option on
Speaker 4: that offensive line. But I am glad you brought up
Speaker 4: that defensive line point, because that was something I was
Speaker 4: thinking yesterday. Whenever this defensive line the first two days
Speaker 4: through pass, we're just obliterating everything up front, and I
Speaker 4: was thinking in the back of my head. I don't
Speaker 4: play many video games, go, but I do play two
Speaker 4: K and.
Speaker 2: Madden a lot.
Speaker 4: Okay, whenever I buy the game, the new game every year,
Speaker 4: my goal is to get to the Hall of Fame
Speaker 4: or the All Madden level and every year, even though
Speaker 4: I know it's dumb, I start on that level and
Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, this is too hard. I need to
Speaker 4: work my way up. I feel like that's what's happening
Speaker 4: with the offensive line right now. They're starting on the
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. They're starting on the All Madden. They
Speaker 4: need to somehow figure out how to work back to
Speaker 4: like veteran or pro and kind of work their way
Speaker 4: up because it's it's it's not looking great right now.
Speaker 2: You can get your foot like that. That's good. I mean,
Speaker 2: let's get to the All Pro level and then you
Speaker 2: get to the Hall of Fame level, and then we
Speaker 2: can push and we can keep on.
Speaker 4: That's what we're really hooping.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we're really a real big time all right.
Speaker 2: So that's talking point number one. Nick, What was your
Speaker 2: talking point the.
Speaker 4: Running back two situation? You know, I don't I don't
Speaker 4: feel like there's a ton of clarity in that in
Speaker 4: that department.
Speaker 2: You know, Mike.
Speaker 4: McCarthy did provide, you know, a little bit of confidence
Speaker 4: in Rico Dubdell and Malik Davis earlier this week, but
Speaker 4: you know, with Ronald Jones suspension, I think that's that
Speaker 4: throws another kind of wrench in this conversation. And you know,
Speaker 4: Ronald Jones is the guy in that room who you know,
Speaker 4: has a little bit of a different skill set. He
Speaker 4: has a different experience level than everyone in that group.
Speaker 4: So you know, not having him in the first two games,
Speaker 4: you know, how does that affect his roster status? Even so,
Speaker 4: I think that's going to be a position group that
Speaker 4: sees a lot of fluidity through the preseason. You know,
Speaker 4: I think it is too early to kind of tell
Speaker 4: who exactly is going to come up and take that
Speaker 4: RB two spot, but I think preseason is going to
Speaker 4: really determine a lot there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whenever you get the pads clack clicking and clacking
Speaker 2: a little bit, I mean even out here, they're they're
Speaker 2: touching the hips like they're playing two hand touch here.
Speaker 2: That's that's ultimately what it is. Not in the offense
Speaker 2: and the defensive line, and there's a little bit of
Speaker 2: a pop, but you keep them up right. That's different
Speaker 2: whenever you're running back because you got to find a
Speaker 2: way to blow through.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I love Duce, do not get me wrong,
Speaker 4: But there's a couple of these like spin a rounds
Speaker 4: bounce off guys where like he'd be getting flattened. So
Speaker 4: I I want to see him do that in the preseason,
Speaker 4: be able to bounce guys off that are actually trying
Speaker 4: to tackle him.
Speaker 7: But this bouncing off and spinning those great for the video, fantastic.
Speaker 2: Keep doing that, news, come.
Speaker 6: Bring it in here, like all right, sweet, it's sweet, sweet,
Speaker 6: you know do that somerling again.
Speaker 2: Dak jumping over the line and getting two hand touched
Speaker 2: from behind. I think he would have scored that that
Speaker 2: touchdown anyways, everybody's kind of I was right in front
Speaker 2: of the it was the Dak design run and practice
Speaker 2: on Tuesday, and jay Ron curses behind him he got
Speaker 2: him on the hip. I was like, I don't know
Speaker 2: if Curse makes that play because if that's a game,
Speaker 2: Dak is extended and he is getting to the goal
Speaker 2: line like that. He's done that so many different times.
Speaker 4: I think me and Isaiah have talked about it. How
Speaker 4: great was it to see a Reid option. I feel
Speaker 4: like I haven't seen that from this offense in a while.
Speaker 4: Put a couple of r pos in there, is there?
Speaker 2: There were a couple at the goal line yesterday he
Speaker 2: hit Jake Ferguson on one where it was a it
Speaker 2: was a read option and he immediately hit the tight
Speaker 2: end in the flat and it was a wide open
Speaker 2: touchdown on the r PO is not a bad deal.
Speaker 2: What you're talking point, Isaiah, I have to agree.
Speaker 5: I think the running back situation, aside from the office
Speaker 5: and line, that's my next my next box that I
Speaker 5: feel like they need to check. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 5: one hundred confident, but it's also a position group that
Speaker 5: you can go out there and grab somebody and be okay.
Speaker 5: So I think that they have the time on their
Speaker 5: side to get to these preseason games to find out
Speaker 5: exactly what they have. I also have full vote of
Speaker 5: confidence in Malik Davis and Rico Daldo though I mean
Speaker 5: those guys. I know everybody's talking about Dus because he's
Speaker 5: a he's a newest edition, and he's he's you know,
Speaker 5: he's he's a smaller guy, you know, electrifying all that jazz.
Speaker 2: But the guys that have been here, those guys, those
Speaker 2: guys are good. Those guys are really.
Speaker 5: Good, and I have full confidence in them, and I
Speaker 5: know this coaching staff does as well, because they have
Speaker 5: shown trustworthy.
Speaker 6: It was interesting to hear Mike McCarthy after that one
Speaker 6: press conference a few days ago when he was asked specifically,
Speaker 6: what of that second group the next running backs stood
Speaker 6: out to you?
Speaker 7: And I'll be honest, I did not expect him to
Speaker 7: say Rico doubt all.
Speaker 2: First.
Speaker 6: It kind of surprised me, you know, and so that
Speaker 6: was obviously intriguing. But and then talking to Mike McCarthy
Speaker 6: yesterday after the press conference is over, he was asked
Speaker 6: about EZEKIELA well, Ezekiel and why he wouldn't they don't
Speaker 6: want to go that direction right now, and he talked
Speaker 6: about how, like we said, with the offensive line, wanting
Speaker 6: to see out here one is seeing the preseason games,
Speaker 6: what you have with some of the younger guys. But
Speaker 6: the name has to stay until Ezekiel Elliott signs elsewhere
Speaker 6: because the owner and general manager will not close that
Speaker 6: door on Ezekiel Elay, you have to keep that as
Speaker 6: a possibility that he could be returning to the Cowboys.
Speaker 6: I don't know if that happens or not, but you
Speaker 6: can't close the door on that right now.
Speaker 4: What do you think the percentages Ezekiel Elliott suits up
Speaker 4: Week one?
Speaker 7: For me, it's gone up in the last two days.
Speaker 2: Wow, interesting, I would agree. Who do you think would would.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying it's a high percentage, it's gone up.
Speaker 2: A little bit, but who who do you think would
Speaker 2: close that door first? Do you think it would be
Speaker 2: the front office or do you think it'd be Zeke's
Speaker 2: party that would close that door first?
Speaker 6: I think it right now it would have to be
Speaker 6: Zeke's party because I think it's been made known to
Speaker 6: his party kind of where the Cowboys are financially for
Speaker 6: you know, they're not looking to pay like a number one.
Speaker 6: You know that's in the off season. Everyone bring up
Speaker 6: like the Dalvin Cook stuff like all the time. I'm
Speaker 6: just like, that's just not a price point that they're
Speaker 6: not they're gonna you know, they're more into the Leonard
Speaker 6: Fournette type of like, you know, if they don't find
Speaker 6: the right guy out here, then you don't have to
Speaker 6: spend a time and bring a guy in. So I
Speaker 6: think if his dollar amount was willing to come down,
Speaker 6: then I think that would be the thing there.
Speaker 7: But I don't know.
Speaker 6: Outside of you know, the Patriots are the only other
Speaker 6: team that's been you know, the rumored to a well,
Speaker 6: not rumored. It's been reported that they've met with him.
Speaker 6: So maybe he ends up there. But as long as
Speaker 6: he is a free agent, you just can't close the
Speaker 6: door in it. But there were definitely times where I,
Speaker 6: you know, during the offseason, I was like, it's like
Speaker 6: one percent chance, and now I'll probably go up to
Speaker 6: maybe five percent.
Speaker 2: This is just my assumption.
Speaker 4: I assume that offer sheet is on the table waiting
Speaker 4: for him.
Speaker 2: Wow, I assume that close.
Speaker 4: No, No, I'm not necessarily that it's that close. I'm saying, like,
Speaker 4: this is your price point. If you want to meet that, sure,
Speaker 4: we'd love to have you, but we can't. We can't
Speaker 4: go past that dollar.
Speaker 2: You're waiting for them to It's like what John was saying,
Speaker 2: like you're waiting for exactly for dall or for Zeke's
Speaker 2: party to come down, for Dallas to make it happen. Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 6: And then from his perspective though, I kind of wonder too,
Speaker 6: like what other options he has out there, because like
Speaker 6: the role he had when he was drafted and then
Speaker 6: the role he would have now is just so different.
Speaker 6: Maybe he has a better opportunity to another team that
Speaker 6: where he's got a better chance to maybe be their
Speaker 6: lead ball carrier by the end of the season. You
Speaker 6: know that maybe right now it doesn't look that way,
Speaker 6: but he signs with this team and you're like, oh man,
Speaker 6: the end of season, Ezekiel, it was that team's leading rusher.
Speaker 6: You know, you might not expect it now because he's
Speaker 6: not on a team, but this stuff moves quickly, you know.
Speaker 2: Would you want to see that, Isaiah, would you want
Speaker 2: to see Zeke back with the Cowboys?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think it'd be obviously great for him, great for
Speaker 5: the for the team and the fan base. I don't
Speaker 5: see it happening, yeah, I mean they gave his number
Speaker 5: away immediately, immediately. It's a good player too, Yeah, so
Speaker 5: I'm hard to take that one away. I mean that's
Speaker 5: not the only measure obviously, but that's major. You know,
Speaker 5: it's in for somebody who meant as much as organization
Speaker 5: as he did, and they hurry up and gave that away.
Speaker 2: That that means something. So I don't really foresee that happening.
Speaker 5: And plus, there's a lot of really great opportunities around
Speaker 5: the league right now that he that are kind of
Speaker 5: falling into his lap. So I think the longer he
Speaker 5: waits the more leverage he gains. Unfortunately, there's injuries in
Speaker 5: this game, and the more running backs that get hurt
Speaker 5: around the league, the higher his thought goes. So he's
Speaker 5: just really sitting back chilling right now, not having to
Speaker 5: go through camp.
Speaker 7: That is a great point.
Speaker 6: It is so true because they haven't even played any
Speaker 6: preseason games yet and there's just all I mean, that's
Speaker 6: just the nature of the game. There's gonna be freak injuries,
Speaker 6: and when that happens, there could be a team that
Speaker 6: you know is a contender that all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: it's like, Man, if you come in right now, you
Speaker 6: can be the missing piece to this team. And for him,
Speaker 6: how could you turn that down?
Speaker 2: I don't think it could. I really don't guess. I
Speaker 2: think that's what he's waiting for at this point. He's
Speaker 2: waiting for that opportunity to arise, whether that's in Dallas,
Speaker 2: New England. Insert name here of an injury that's that
Speaker 2: has yet to happen. But camp injuries happen, especially at
Speaker 2: the running back position. Preseason injuries happen at the running
Speaker 2: back position, So we may not even see that that
Speaker 2: saga come to a close until week two or three.
Speaker 2: Of the preseason and then you finally get a full
Speaker 2: lay of the land on what the NFL brings from
Speaker 2: a running back standpoint and what it would bring for
Speaker 2: Zeke going into this season. But all right, I like
Speaker 2: the talking points overall. We got to We hit a
Speaker 2: lot there. When we come back, though, I want to
Speaker 2: continue with first impressions of the padded practices, and I
Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit more about this battle
Speaker 2: in the trenches and some of the youth up front.
Speaker 2: Has anybody stood out, because there's one name that I'm
Speaker 2: looking at right now that is starting to get some
Speaker 2: reps with the first teamers that I did not expect
Speaker 2: coming into camp. We'll tell you about that a whole
Speaker 2: lot more when we come back with Talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 2: speaking of saying it with your chest. TJ. Bass offensive lineman,
Speaker 2: undrafted free agent out of Oregon. This is the kind
Speaker 2: of in depth training camp coverage that you get on
Speaker 2: Talking Cowboys talk about undrafted free agents. On the guard spot,
Speaker 2: he's rotated in a couple of times. He did so
Speaker 2: in a rookie mini camp where he was running with
Speaker 2: the ones, at least the wrong ones of rookies. He
Speaker 2: did so with OTAs and now he's starting to rotate
Speaker 2: in at guard with not with no Zach Martin and
Speaker 2: the rotating in and out with Josh Ball at the
Speaker 2: right guard spot. Have you have you seen anything from TJ.
Speaker 2: Bass and when he's brought to the table John and
Speaker 2: and has he impressed you at all? I'm trying to
Speaker 2: find a bright spot on the offensive line, and I
Speaker 2: think he might be one of them.
Speaker 6: I can't say that there's anything about him that necessarily
Speaker 6: jumped out to me, but he was a guy that
Speaker 6: when they signed him after their draft, nick Yeatman was
Speaker 6: kind of making fun of me for this that I
Speaker 6: went and got like a got him off to this,
Speaker 6: I know, like in the lock from now the rookies
Speaker 6: aren't in there yet, and I was like, oh, you know.
Speaker 6: The pr SAF was like, is anybody else you want
Speaker 6: to talk to that they're not bringing out? And I
Speaker 6: was like, yeah, I kind of want to talk to
Speaker 6: TJ just because the position he plays. He was a
Speaker 6: guy that I want to say Dan Brugler might have
Speaker 6: had as a six round grade on but it was
Speaker 6: definitely a draftable. Maybe it might have been a fit. Yeah,
Speaker 6: And so because of that, he's been a guy that
Speaker 6: I've kind of wanted to pay attention to. I just
Speaker 6: I really haven't as much as I've wanted because of
Speaker 6: In these first couple of Paddy practices, I feel like
Speaker 6: more of my focus has been on the you know,
Speaker 6: receivers and dbs and stuff like that. But yeah, I
Speaker 6: mean obviously running with the ones is what is what
Speaker 6: you want, and he's going to get every opportunity for that,
Speaker 6: and you know, and talking to him, it was one
Speaker 6: of those things where as you get later in the draft,
Speaker 6: you're not getting drafted, so then you start getting calls
Speaker 6: from teams and it's like, Okay, where do I fit?
Speaker 7: What what team do I have the best chance to
Speaker 7: get some playing time?
Speaker 6: Your agent's talking to those teams and stuff like that,
Speaker 6: and the Cowboys are obviously a good fit for him.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen a lot of TJ bass this week's specific,
Speaker 4: in the lifelast week specifically, but I will say where
Speaker 4: he comes from and the coaching that he comes from
Speaker 4: leads me to have a lot of confidence in what
Speaker 4: he can do. Alex Mirrabaal, who's his offensive line coach
Speaker 4: that brought him into Oregon. He's now at Miami, and
Speaker 4: we'll dive into you know, specific position coaches around draft
Speaker 4: time and why those are so important. But Alex Mierbal
Speaker 4: is the best offensive line coach in the entire country.
Speaker 4: And for him to go into the JUCO ranks and
Speaker 4: pull TJ. Bess out and make him a priority, that
Speaker 4: says a lot about what he can do. And he
Speaker 4: started immediately as soon as he got to Eugene so
Speaker 4: you know, just having that in his background, even if
Speaker 4: he did go undrafted, that leads me. That leads me
Speaker 4: to a lot of confidence about what he can do.
Speaker 2: Has anybody else in terms of the rookies? Has anybody
Speaker 2: else jumped out off the page, whether it's offensive line
Speaker 2: or not, just rookie class in general? Has anybody jumped
Speaker 2: off the page from? For sure?
Speaker 4: We can start with the duo of Jalen's and honestly
Speaker 4: you could. You could trickle it down to the trio
Speaker 4: of Jalen wide receivers that have just had a good
Speaker 4: week in general. Yeah, but talking about the two rookies,
Speaker 4: Jalen Brooks and then Jalen moreno Cropper, it was Jalen
Speaker 4: moreno CROs more so last week and once the pads
Speaker 4: got put on and we could be a little bit
Speaker 4: more physical out here, it was Jalen Brooks and man,
Speaker 4: he's been fantastic through cap and I'm sure we'll talk
Speaker 4: about him a lot more in the show.
Speaker 2: What do you think as a Yeah, Brooks is the
Speaker 2: only one that really pops out for me right now.
Speaker 5: I think he's he's shown up a few times. I
Speaker 5: like his I like his release off the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5: I like his ability to separate at the top of
Speaker 5: the route. And then obviously with his size, he can
Speaker 5: he has strong hands, and he has he's really strong
Speaker 5: at the point of the catch.
Speaker 2: And he's a good dude. I like him. You know,
Speaker 2: listen to him talk, have my opportunity to kind of
Speaker 2: talk to him a little bit. I like him. I
Speaker 2: like him. How can a tall, lanky, wide receiver like
Speaker 2: that one grow into his frame, because that's something that
Speaker 2: that coach McCarthy and the offensive staff has talked about.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of times he's he looks very,
Speaker 2: very long. He's just kind of yeah, a little sloppy.
Speaker 2: He's raw, let's say it that way. He's got this
Speaker 2: raw talent. How does he grow into that? And then two,
Speaker 2: how does his coaching staff unlock a inability in the
Speaker 2: red zone to use him? Because he had one touchdown
Speaker 2: grab his final year at South Carolina, he played the
Speaker 2: entire season, had one touchdown grab. It was a twenty
Speaker 2: yarder at Tennessee. That was it. That was the only
Speaker 2: one he had. So how do you unlock that a
Speaker 2: little bit by putting him in situations to be successful.
Speaker 5: In the red zone, confidence and reps. Let him get
Speaker 5: his reps, let him get confidence. I mean, from the
Speaker 5: things I've seen him do over the last few days,
Speaker 5: I don't see a reason why he wouldn't have success
Speaker 5: at this level, regardless of what he did in college.
Speaker 2: It's all about opportunity.
Speaker 5: It's all about the situation that you put in, the
Speaker 5: system that you're in, the person's throwing you the ball.
Speaker 5: All those things matter, right everything. That's why I'm not
Speaker 5: a big stat guy, because there's so many other things
Speaker 5: that affected. From what I've seen, he is a good
Speaker 5: fit here. Nobody does what he does currently at that
Speaker 5: position group, and they don't have anybody to fulfill that role.
Speaker 5: MG is there gold guy? Really kind of sort of
Speaker 5: right now, Cooks is gonna cook people this year. Just
Speaker 5: system alone with him is nasty. CD's gonna do a
Speaker 5: CD does, and they don't have a guy that they
Speaker 5: really go up there and just say, hey, we're gonna
Speaker 5: run you on a seven step post. It doesn't matter
Speaker 5: of body up the guy and go grab it. And
Speaker 5: that's who he is right now until somebody else shows
Speaker 5: him up. So I look forward to seeing him in
Speaker 5: the preseason.
Speaker 4: He's starting to creep into that wide receiver conversation as
Speaker 4: far as making the team and being on this travel roster.
Speaker 4: When preseason comes around, that's when it's gonna be, Hey,
Speaker 4: prove your keep on this roster and prove that you
Speaker 4: can make it happen in a game as well.
Speaker 2: And we've seen that happen a couple times out here. John,
Speaker 2: I mean, think about Semi Fojoko is a great example
Speaker 2: where in camp he looks great, he flashes, he's got
Speaker 2: the size, he's got this ability, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, it just fizzles away. I don't want that
Speaker 2: to happen to Jalen Brooks, but we've seen it a
Speaker 2: couple times before. Do you think he can continue what
Speaker 2: we've seen out here and whenever we get into preseason play? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 6: And I mean when I came out here, if I
Speaker 6: was doing my wide receiver depth chart that I thought
Speaker 6: would make the fifty three, he was not on it.
Speaker 6: But after these last few days, I'm like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 6: he's absolutely in that mix with you know, you mentioned Foko.
Speaker 6: I think Jalen tulb it in a really good spot there,
Speaker 6: and and Turpens really impressed me out here. Yeah, so
Speaker 6: they're not gonna obviously keep seven wide receivers, so you
Speaker 6: know there's gonna be an odd man out. But man,
Speaker 6: if you told me right now, I had to cut
Speaker 6: down that roster and it'd be tough to keep Dayalen
Speaker 6: Brooks off of it.
Speaker 2: There's a tough there's a tough decision in a couple number,
Speaker 2: a couple positions, and there's there comes a time at
Speaker 2: camp where you start playing that game, where you start
Speaker 2: playing the cut game. You start looking at how many
Speaker 2: defensive linemen are you gonna take. You're gonna want to
Speaker 2: take ten eleven defensive linemen in general, and that includes
Speaker 2: edge rushers. You're gonna want to take four or five linebackers.
Speaker 2: You're gonna want to take four safeties. But then where
Speaker 2: do you where do you take? Where you cut down?
Speaker 2: What position group do you have to level it out with?
Speaker 2: And that's when it's gonna get interesting with wide receiver because,
Speaker 2: like you said, there's no way they can take seven
Speaker 2: with them, but there's gonna have to be six guys
Speaker 2: that they're gonna have to cut it down to at
Speaker 2: some point, and so an odd man out is certainly
Speaker 2: gonna happen not only a wide receiver, but at a
Speaker 2: couple positions. Isaiah, Yeah, a couple positions. But I'm keeping
Speaker 2: in miye on the receiver position just because him.
Speaker 5: I used to Jalen Brooks. Obviously all the battle of
Speaker 5: the Jalen's right, he got all the Jalen's the trifecta,
Speaker 5: but Jalen Brooks, specifically him versus Simmy Fooco. When I
Speaker 5: look at the two of them, the difference aside from
Speaker 5: the investment, the initial investment, Jalen Brooks seems more eager
Speaker 5: to contribute on special teams, just just my observance, my observation,
Speaker 5: he seems eager to actually go out there like and
Speaker 5: we asked about specially he's like, oh yeah, Like give
Speaker 5: me that. I didn't get that vibe from Simney when
Speaker 5: he first came in nor last year. Not to say
Speaker 5: that he wasn't willing, but there's something to be said
Speaker 5: about knowing how you're going to impact this team, knowing
Speaker 5: what's required to make this team, and then obviously being
Speaker 5: able to be effective in those roles. They better get
Speaker 5: their conditioning up because they're going to be all over
Speaker 5: the place in preseason. They're going to be on the
Speaker 5: field for three quarters and they're going to be on
Speaker 5: special teams and at the receiver, so they're ready to
Speaker 5: get their conditioning in. They're going to be asked to
Speaker 5: not only have impact on offense, but also make impact
Speaker 5: on especially because that's how you're gonna make this roster.
Speaker 5: None of the receivers at the bottom of this roster
Speaker 5: are going to just be offensive threats. You have four
Speaker 5: receivers that are locked in. Called it how it is.
Speaker 5: You got four guys that are locked in. You got CD,
Speaker 5: you got Cooks, and you got Gallup and you got Turp.
Speaker 5: Those guys are locked in those four, So you really
Speaker 5: you could argue with with it being a third round pick.
Speaker 5: Jaalen Tolbert's probably the fifth. Tobert's probably, I mean with
Speaker 5: the camp that he's having yet he's he's they're gonna
Speaker 5: give him another opportunity, so call it five.
Speaker 2: So here's there's a battle for one spot.
Speaker 5: Really unless something just goes horribly wrong for Jayling to watch,
Speaker 5: I don't see right now, he's playing very confident.
Speaker 2: It looks like a totally different player. He has the
Speaker 2: leverage of being a top one pick. Time they're not
Speaker 2: gonna cut ties like a top one hundred pick correct,
Speaker 2: and so yeah, that's what's that's what gets weird because
Speaker 2: we got we got to Oxnard and one of the
Speaker 2: first topics was wide receiver four, who's got it? And
Speaker 2: it feels like turping or not turping. It feels like
Speaker 2: and I guess you could say turp and have that
Speaker 2: wider first five or lock room kind of locked up.
Speaker 2: But then it's now now the battleshifts to wide receiver six,
Speaker 2: who is here whenever they make that trip. And that's
Speaker 2: what people don't People don't understand how mentally stressful camp is.
Speaker 2: Imagine being one of I don't know, I mean, guys
Speaker 2: I got brought twelve guys I've received probably.
Speaker 5: Imagine that camp and I haven't counted it up, and
Speaker 5: knowing that you're you're all going after one spot. It's
Speaker 5: the most stressful thing in the world. Every decision. If
Speaker 5: I go out there, I mean, I don't remember what.
Speaker 2: The tight end.
Speaker 5: Yesterday there was a tight end. I got in there
Speaker 5: and he got in with the ones and fall started.
Speaker 5: Immediately taken out. It's a Princeton fan.
Speaker 2: I think it might have been fat but immediately you're
Speaker 2: taken out like that alone.
Speaker 5: Will beat you up for the rest of the week
Speaker 5: because like I lost the trust, they put me in
Speaker 5: a situation I lost their trust. Now I'm gona have
Speaker 5: to do ten positive things just to make up for
Speaker 5: that one. That's what you're dealing with every single day
Speaker 5: in terms of the stress of camp.
Speaker 2: Man, you're litter. I better do this right, I better
Speaker 2: do this right, and it makes it almost impossible to
Speaker 2: just be you.
Speaker 5: So it's not until the preseason games really show up
Speaker 5: that you see the real version of these players. Camp
Speaker 5: is awesome, but when they get to the games, that's
Speaker 5: when they can literally relax and be Okay, now I
Speaker 5: could play again, right, And even then you're still under
Speaker 5: so much to risk.
Speaker 2: But people need to understand the stresses man of camp.
Speaker 6: It it's hard, and I think that's going on in
Speaker 6: every camp every year, but for this team particularly, like
Speaker 6: for me, it's This is clearly the best roster the
Speaker 6: Cowboys have had since I've covered the team from top
Speaker 6: to bottom. Like McCarthy said the other day, it's gonna
Speaker 6: be the hard It's gonna be a very difficult fifty
Speaker 6: three cut. There's just so many spots that already locked
Speaker 6: up that there's so many guys in those positions, Like
Speaker 6: you're saying that, it's like, yeah, you make one mistake
Speaker 6: like that, and you're just like, man, is that the
Speaker 6: difference of me making an NFL team? Am I gonna
Speaker 6: get another chance? Am I gonna get an opportunity maybe
Speaker 6: with another team? Who knows what happens here? Because yeah,
Speaker 6: this roster isn't that, Like you know, we talked earlier,
Speaker 6: there'll be injuries and they'll shift things as well. But
Speaker 6: as it's since here right now, like you know, I mean,
Speaker 6: obviously there were some good teams in four teen and
Speaker 6: sixteen and stuff like that, but they were not as
Speaker 6: good from top to bottom. There were some weaknesses there,
Speaker 6: and they've done a good job of shoring up those
Speaker 6: areas to their Just isn't when I look at this
Speaker 6: roster there's this isn't all those spots, Oh, this guy
Speaker 6: might make it in special teams, this guy might help
Speaker 6: it out here, Like, there's just not that many spots available, man.
Speaker 2: And even so you're it's it's interesting hearing the different
Speaker 2: viewpoints because you're you're seeing this from an outside source,
Speaker 2: a beat Ryder working for the athletic, but you could
Speaker 2: hear the stress in your voice because hey, they have
Speaker 2: this this roster, they have this opportunity to make this jump,
Speaker 2: and you want to you don't want to be left behind.
Speaker 2: I could hear the stress in Isaiah's voice as a
Speaker 2: former player on the other side of it too, of
Speaker 2: feeling that stress going to sleep at night and you
Speaker 2: don't want to put your your iPad away because you
Speaker 2: want to look at the next couple of plays, and
Speaker 2: because you want to end up in the right situation
Speaker 2: at the right time. And and you mentioned how it
Speaker 2: beats yourself up for certain things, little things that you think,
Speaker 2: little mistakes that add up, and then that break that
Speaker 2: trust between you and the coaching staff, and how it
Speaker 2: bothers these guys for days. I could tell you've you've
Speaker 2: got a couple of those those memories as well.
Speaker 5: There's one play that I remember when I was with
Speaker 5: Seattle and I was up to obviously a contract year,
Speaker 5: all this kind of stuff, and I was coming actually
Speaker 5: the following year, I was coming off of injury, and
Speaker 5: they put me in a situation in practice where they
Speaker 5: were looking for one guy to fill a role in
Speaker 5: terms of big plays, and they put me in for
Speaker 5: that play, and I freaking dropped the ball. I dropped it,
Speaker 5: and I knew when I dropped it, I was like, damn,
Speaker 5: that was it? Like that was that was the If
Speaker 5: I make that play, I'm their guy, you know, if.
Speaker 7: I given a chance, if you were given a hundred
Speaker 7: chances to make that play, man.
Speaker 2: And nine times you make that Yeah wow. So I
Speaker 2: mean but you but you know, like in your heart,
Speaker 2: and then you're you're you're thinking over what could have
Speaker 2: done differently? What did I do wrong?
Speaker 5: What what would I change? And then it messages you
Speaker 5: up for another play, and then it's snowballs. Right then
Speaker 5: you start seeing guys that used to be confident. I mean,
Speaker 5: there's there's guys I'm not gonna name their names right now.
Speaker 5: There's guys that you that we saw last year playing
Speaker 5: with full confidence, that were walking around with their head
Speaker 5: down right now because the situations at their end right
Speaker 5: and you can see it on their face like they're stressing.
Speaker 5: I know it right from the player staff, I'm like,
Speaker 5: they're in their own head. He kind of wants you
Speaker 5: to say that, No, no, you don't want to say, well.
Speaker 7: I can just tell you when he was saying that
Speaker 7: I'm thinking of from last year.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking of Jalen Tolbert, which just like you know,
Speaker 6: you come here and then Mike McCarthy wants you to
Speaker 6: play all three wide receiver spots and that was a lot.
Speaker 6: And he admitted that, you know, and I think it
Speaker 6: was after Ota practice one time in his locker room
Speaker 6: and his locker about how there was just a lot.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 6: And then I keep going back to you know, that
Speaker 6: play in Green Bay where you know, he lines up
Speaker 6: off sides and just like just you know, that just
Speaker 6: gonna beat you down, and that's going to weigh on you,
Speaker 6: like you know, I'm finally giving this opportunity, and this happens,
Speaker 6: and like you just said, like it's snowballs until where
Speaker 6: like now it starts affecting you here, it affects you
Speaker 6: in this in this part of the game and you know,
Speaker 6: your preparation things like that. And so I do think
Speaker 6: that because of him having that experience, he gets to
Speaker 6: go in the off season, you know, work with Dad,
Speaker 6: getting the playbook and everything.
Speaker 7: Like that, and have a chance to rebound from it.
Speaker 7: But yeah, there's that that is a great point.
Speaker 4: Talking about the mental adversity aspect. If we're looking at
Speaker 4: all the guys that are vying for this last receiver spot.
Speaker 4: I like Jalen Brooks even more because of his the
Speaker 4: way he's approaching everything. He's like, look, yeah, I've had
Speaker 4: great days, but it's brick by brick. I gotta stack it.
Speaker 4: I don't get too high, I don't get too low.
Speaker 4: I'm very level headed. That's what he said a couple
Speaker 4: days ago when I pulled him off one on one,
Speaker 4: and that's what he said again yesterday whenever we had
Speaker 4: him in media availability. So being able to have that mindset,
Speaker 4: I think is going to be what eventually helps in
Speaker 4: those situations.
Speaker 2: I like him. Thirteen receivers out here right now, thirteen
Speaker 2: of them, and I feel like all of them have
Speaker 2: made some sort of storyline or headline at some point
Speaker 2: along the way.
Speaker 6: When you say that, all I think of is, Okay,
Speaker 6: I wonder what the NFL record is of, like what
Speaker 6: on cut day? Because what's the most receivers the team's
Speaker 6: ever kept? Like, is there been a team that kept
Speaker 6: me like seven?
Speaker 2: Eight receivers? You would know of? Yeah, you would have to.
Speaker 2: There's got to stretch at other positions that's the thing.
Speaker 5: There are eight guys going for one spot and people
Speaker 5: I don't think people get it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I really don't think people would get it. There's eight
Speaker 2: guys that that particularly, just that position group going for
Speaker 2: one spot. There's guys out here there busting their butts
Speaker 2: every single day giving it their absolutely one. They know
Speaker 2: they have zero chance of making this roster.
Speaker 4: And it's so competitive because let's say Jalen Brooks has
Speaker 4: a day Thursday and Saturday, he doesn't have a great day. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he was right back there, you know, and the door
Speaker 4: doors right back open.
Speaker 6: Like you said, things with the wide receiver is a
Speaker 6: position that we all can watch watching. Yeah, Like, and
Speaker 6: it's just if you mess up, like you talk about
Speaker 6: dropping that pass, like everybody sees it. Like whereas if
Speaker 6: you miss like a block, you got some other guys
Speaker 6: people try a bit, they throw to you and you
Speaker 6: drop that past or whatever like that, you just feel
Speaker 6: like every single eyeball is on you.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can go back to even last year
Speaker 2: in camp, Will Greer was almost a backup. No, yeah,
Speaker 2: people don't. People don't remember that, Like Will Greer was
Speaker 2: almost a backup. He had a better camp. He had
Speaker 2: a better camp, and an injury happened, right, an injury happened.
Speaker 2: Because that injury happened. Now all of a sudden, you
Speaker 2: looking at a Cooper Us who has a brand new contract. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there are some days out here, you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, there are some days out here in twenty
Speaker 6: sixteen where Jamil Showers had a better day than Dak Prescott. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's crazy to think about now, you know that. And
Speaker 6: then Kellen goes down and just the way that whole
Speaker 6: thing came together and just how fast that moved. And
Speaker 6: that's at the you know, the most important position.
Speaker 2: So the NFL moves quickly, Yes, and it waits for nobody. Nope,
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Speaker 2: we'll wrap things up and we'll talk a little defensive
Speaker 2: line because that's another spot where cut cras are gonna
Speaker 2: be tough coming up in the next couple weeks with
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Speaker 7: I can't eat breakfast. I just in that hunger the morning.
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Speaker 2: I know? I don't eat. What time did you eat
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Speaker 7: I ate at that that media party? Eight or nine?
Speaker 5: Okay, eight o'clock right now, it's right now, it's what
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Speaker 2: And I mean the stress level is high for a
Speaker 2: lot of these guys at camp and thirteen wide receivers
Speaker 2: going down to six. Think about defensive line, and I
Speaker 2: brought it up a little bit in the last segment.
Speaker 2: Where do you where do you draw the line? And
Speaker 2: there's some big names that are gonna be cut at
Speaker 2: some point and big bodies that are gonna get cut.
Speaker 2: You think about a guy like Neville Gallimore, who was
Speaker 2: a third round pick. He is fighting for a spot
Speaker 2: on the roster with Mazzi Spith in front of him,
Speaker 2: Jonathan Hankins in front of him, and I think Gallimore
Speaker 2: has actually had a solidified camp. I think he's done
Speaker 2: a decent job in the middle. He's provided a little
Speaker 2: bit of pass rush. But as as anybody else stood
Speaker 2: out to you on that defensive line as stepping up
Speaker 2: to try and fight for one of those rosters posts
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's obviously been the guys that you're expecting
Speaker 6: to sure have been wrecking shot. But yeah, when I
Speaker 6: look at the roster, I'm like, man, it's gonna be
Speaker 6: tough for them to keep more than ten defensive linemen.
Speaker 6: And when I say ten, I'm counting my with that,
Speaker 6: even though on the roster they listen to Yeah right,
Speaker 6: So yeah, So I like, like, Neville Gallimore is a
Speaker 6: guy like you mentioned Bohanna, and then obviously that Chauncey
Speaker 6: Golston slash Fajoko where they kind of play somewhat of
Speaker 6: a similar hybrid. I do think there's a good chance
Speaker 6: that both of them make it. But I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 6: it's that is a tough spot when you look at
Speaker 6: from top to bottom if everyone stays healthy, because that's
Speaker 6: always the thing. Like you look at this and we
Speaker 6: go into it and it's, oh, yeah, no, that's because
Speaker 6: they're gonna have everybody. And then you get out here
Speaker 6: and you know Sam Williams is missing some time, and
Speaker 6: then Dorian's Armstrong isn't and then so you start moving
Speaker 6: some pieces around and things like that.
Speaker 7: But man, you look at that from top to bottom.
Speaker 7: Mike McCarthy said it yesterday.
Speaker 6: That's the this is the best depth he's had a
Speaker 6: defensive line in his coaching career. So I just find
Speaker 6: it hard to believe that they could go more than eleven.
Speaker 6: And I even think that that's gonna be tough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And we've talked about it a little bit, and
Speaker 4: I guess it's kind of throwing a wrench into this
Speaker 4: conversation a little bit. But it's so deep on that
Speaker 4: defensive line. Do you consider trading somebody out some point.
Speaker 7: That has to be on the table.
Speaker 2: We said this last year. They should have did it
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 4: The opportunity is still there to get offensive line deaf.
Speaker 2: Or running back. I'm not offensive line or running back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not gonna name names, but there are a
Speaker 4: couple of guys on on that defensive line that their
Speaker 4: max value is right now, and go ahead and get
Speaker 4: a piece off of them. But you know, we'll see.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's more likely that they go and
Speaker 2: sign somebody at one of these positions if need, or
Speaker 2: is it more likely that they use a surplus like
Speaker 2: defensive line. Maybe some of these young linebackers that probably
Speaker 2: wouldn't get into the to the mix. Do you think
Speaker 2: it's more likely that they trade to go get a
Speaker 2: piece to help out some of these positions. I'm hope.
Speaker 5: I understand when I say I want to be empathetic
Speaker 5: to guys, because it is guys' lives when they have
Speaker 5: to get up and move. Okay, but it's a business.
Speaker 5: I feel as if Dallas missed an opportunity last year
Speaker 5: to be aggressive and trade away some of their defensive
Speaker 5: line assets.
Speaker 2: I truly do.
Speaker 5: I think they could have filled some gaps last year
Speaker 5: having that surplus of assets. This year, it's no different,
Speaker 5: except for the fact they've added two more guys in
Speaker 5: the draft this year.
Speaker 2: So you have two guys that history says they're going
Speaker 2: to be on a roster.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, that's Fajoko in Massi Smith, all right,
Speaker 5: So those guys are gonna be on the roster.
Speaker 2: They're there.
Speaker 5: So you add two more guys to a depth chart
Speaker 5: that was already stacked. I almost think it's as aggressive
Speaker 5: as this front office has been this offseason and acquiring
Speaker 5: pieces that are going to be instrumental to their success
Speaker 5: this year. I think that they won't. I think they
Speaker 5: had to have to learned from their previous mistakes, I eat,
Speaker 5: mistakes from last year.
Speaker 2: Not trading.
Speaker 5: I think they take that step this year and they
Speaker 5: be aggressive and they trade now. I believe that they'll
Speaker 5: allow a preseason game to go by just to remind
Speaker 5: everybody how valuable some of these guys are, because it's
Speaker 5: going to be highly competitive at that position once you
Speaker 5: see how successful they are.
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of guys are going to
Speaker 2: be on that trading block.
Speaker 5: I think they're gonna be packaged up and sent off
Speaker 5: most likely to acquire some assets that are are of need.
Speaker 5: Because Dallas has a couple week spots. I mean, their
Speaker 5: armors dog on bullet almost bulletproof at this point. In
Speaker 5: terms of their roster, the way the roster has made up,
Speaker 5: it's a couple of saw spots, right. If you have
Speaker 5: an ability to take some of those those hardened spots
Speaker 5: right and fill those gaps all of a sudden, all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, you got a Captain American shoot.
Speaker 6: When you were saying that, the first thing I was
Speaker 6: thinking I was in twenty eighteen, they kind of had
Speaker 6: they kind of felt good about a few of their
Speaker 6: DB's not starters, but on their depth, and it was
Speaker 6: Charvarius Ward, and at the end of twenty eighteen they
Speaker 6: traded him. They did that for that Parker and then Jury.
Speaker 6: I want to make sure I got it right. From
Speaker 6: Kansas City. They didn't get much out of Energy at all,
Speaker 6: and then Ward ended up.
Speaker 7: Being pretty good.
Speaker 6: So i'saw, I'm just saying, like, I'm just thinking of
Speaker 6: them trading somebody, and what will happen is like they'll
Speaker 6: end up getting in a spot where they're on a
Speaker 6: team that doesn't have a lot of great defensive line depths,
Speaker 6: and then they kind of play well and then you
Speaker 6: got to hear about it, Like for.
Speaker 2: The ever, you know what happen about John Ridgway last
Speaker 2: I was yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean he was a
Speaker 2: draft pick and basically he got plucked off of the
Speaker 2: practice squad rostered by Washington. All of a sudden, he
Speaker 2: was stuffing the run against you. Yeah. A couple of
Speaker 2: weeks later, I mean he was playing against you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I mean you could tell you.
Speaker 6: I will say though, I mean as we sit her
Speaker 6: today though, like if he's still on this team right now,
Speaker 6: I mean he's in with that group, You're just like
Speaker 6: they're stacked.
Speaker 5: And that's that's the reason why the whole conversation is here, right,
Speaker 5: It's just you have a surplus of assets, so use
Speaker 5: them to get what you need to stir up your team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, you didn't get anything out of rich Way.
Speaker 2: Nothing at all, you know, yikes.
Speaker 5: And he gave you, gave up money, He gave up
Speaker 5: money to get him, and you got nothing for him.
Speaker 5: So that's what I'm saying, learning from their mistakes of
Speaker 5: the past, what I consider mistakes of the past, and
Speaker 5: aggressive as they've been this year, to go out there
Speaker 5: and get Cooks, to get Gilmore to be in the
Speaker 5: front office like they're they're they're not sitting back and
Speaker 5: waiting and getting the leftovers like they have in recent years.
Speaker 2: Stay aggressive, keep that energy.
Speaker 6: Also with that Macarthy said the other day about that's
Speaker 6: part of the reason that they didn't they're not scrimmaging
Speaker 6: or practicing against another team is because he just wants
Speaker 6: to really see this first team go against you know,
Speaker 6: their first team offense, first team defense.
Speaker 7: Because of how loaded you know, this pro competition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can beat each other up.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, leads to fights and things like that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, always it got a little chippy yesterday, it
Speaker 2: was it was There's been a lot of competition. They
Speaker 2: had a lot of one on ones, they had a
Speaker 2: lot of seven on seven works, So of course with
Speaker 2: the competition ramping up, the chippiness ensued. So for sure,
Speaker 2: got to keep everybody separated. You got to keep everybody
Speaker 2: having having a productive session. That's the one thing you
Speaker 2: want to avoid. But it's been good and I think
Speaker 2: the camp energy is high. I mean they're taking the
Speaker 2: field behind us and going through some walkthroughs, and I
Speaker 2: think the more that we get into this camp, the
Speaker 2: more we're gonna see that competition ramp up and we're
Speaker 2: gonna see these guys really fall into roles, because then
Speaker 2: it turns from a hope to a worry to a concern.
Speaker 2: Now then it's a it's a desperation as camp goes along.
Speaker 2: For sure, if you get here, you get off the charter.
Speaker 2: Everybody thinks for making the making the tea right, and
Speaker 2: that's all of a sudden, you're not. And that's when
Speaker 2: that's when things can think it's really a little bit wild.
Speaker 2: And that's when these next couple padded practices are really
Speaker 2: going to tell us who this team is and how
Speaker 2: they're going to be built. But that's going to do
Speaker 2: it for us. We're a little out of time. I
Speaker 2: feel like we could keep ying. I got all day
Speaker 2: Forcasta for the hour. But good news, we'll be back
Speaker 2: on Friday. We got one more show this week. We'll
Speaker 2: talk on Friday. We'll have another padded practices to pat
Speaker 2: practice to go off of on Thursday, and then we'll
Speaker 2: keep on rolling going into week number three here in
Speaker 2: ox Stars. For you guys, it'll be a game week
Speaker 2: at that point. By the way, Talking Cowboys is going
Speaker 2: to be well represented on that first preseason game. Isaiah
Speaker 2: Standback is going to be in the booth. You nervous, nervous,
Speaker 2: don't have to get ready. There you go. Isaiah is
Speaker 2: in the booth for all three preseason games, all three
Speaker 2: of them. So he'll he'll be with myself and Bill
Speaker 2: Jones for the first one, and then it'll be the
Speaker 2: same booth, but flipping roles. I'll do play by play
Speaker 2: for the first one, uh color for the second one,
Speaker 2: so it will flip roles and then the third one.
Speaker 2: Michael Irvin is one guy that played wide receiver here.
Speaker 2: At some point he comes in kicks me out of
Speaker 2: the booth. It's okay, it's fine. I'll make it work.
Speaker 2: So it'll be Bill, Michael and Isaiah for that third
Speaker 2: preseason game. So really excited about that. We'll come. Gonna
Speaker 2: be fun, but it is. We got one more show
Speaker 2: then it's game week. Here on Talking Cowboys for Ja Machoda,
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