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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew.

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Speaker 2: Players have been picked nine total, and medicine balls are

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Speaker 2: flying here inside ANRG stadium. This is in the Lab,

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Speaker 2: presented by Infinity Me. Drew Doherty, You, John Harrison, you

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Speaker 2: our third friend listening watching whichever one you're choosing to do.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate that. But yeah, the medicine balls. John twenty yards.

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Speaker 2: That way is the weight room, and sometimes outside the

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Speaker 2: weight room will throw medicine balls against the wall. So

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Speaker 2: I didn't see which players are out there right now,

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Speaker 2: but I mean a lot of them as much everybody

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Speaker 3: They're all here and they're all working out.

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Speaker 4: Yep. It's been really cool to see how many guys

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is, as we've said many times, voluntary, and

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Speaker 5: there had been a lot of Texan stars in the

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Speaker 5: past that were like, it's voluntary, be there when I

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Speaker 5: need to. These guys have been more along the lines of, hey,

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Speaker 5: this is a this is a it's the way we

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Speaker 5: can get together and we can you know, compete as

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Speaker 5: a team.

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Speaker 3: There's no Darren Hambrick saying what do voluntary mean?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Exactly, that's it.

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Speaker 3: That's you've got to be old if you remember that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, two thousand, two thousand and one, ish Darren Hambrick,

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Speaker 2: a linebacker for the Cowboys, didn't show up for voluntary

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Speaker 2: workouts or something.

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Speaker 4: Oh he was a piece of work.

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Speaker 3: Now voluntary.

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Speaker 2: He had his little brother, Troy Hambrick, pretty good running

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Speaker 2: back few years.

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Speaker 5: But that's right, Yeah, yeah, it's so it'svoluntary. But guys

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Speaker 5: are here, and look, it's it's not everybody. You know,

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Speaker 5: people have some family situations or whatever, but there's been

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Speaker 5: a really considered effort to get together.

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Speaker 4: And be with the guys.

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Speaker 5: And man, you walked on all Like I walked probably

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Speaker 5: about an hour and a half ago down the hallway

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Speaker 5: and just boom, there's a guy. There's a guy, there's

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Speaker 5: there's a vet, there's a I mean, it's just to give.

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Speaker 2: Somebody asked me on uh, fans want to know kind

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Speaker 2: of it's the what you used to be. Dear Drew, Hey,

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Speaker 2: who's not here at involuntary workouts or voluntary workouts?

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Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know. I mean, I've seen CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud, I've seen Nico Collins, Derek Stingley, Will Anderson Junior,

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Speaker 2: all the veterans, you know, the new guys that have signed.

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Speaker 3: Gardner Johnson you heard from him. Laugh. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: everybody's here that I know of. I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: It's like you said, there might be some guys that

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Speaker 2: have missed a dare too, but I still know who

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Speaker 2: they are. Anyways, let's get into the draft and we're

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Speaker 2: gonna do nine things that stand out to me. And

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Speaker 2: it's peculiar little things and then you're gonna you're gonna

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Speaker 2: add on to it. But it's each pick and I

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Speaker 2: got one thing about him, Okay, And it's wild that

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Speaker 2: the Texans took nine guys, by the way, Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 2: it's I would go with ace.

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Speaker 5: We went in with eight, yeah, and I knew the

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Speaker 5: numbers at the time, but yeah, eight, yeah, So we

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Speaker 5: went in with eight, came out with nine.

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Speaker 3: All right, we go in with eight, do we go?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Because we had four of the first three rounds, right,

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Speaker 2: and then we had which is yeah, you're right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're right. It was eight seven with a bunch of

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Speaker 2: set Anyways, Okay, let's start off with the big fella

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Speaker 2: right off the top, and I say, big Jaye Higgins.

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Speaker 3: His dimensions is what stood out to me.

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Speaker 2: And it's everyone's saying, oh, he's a carbon copy of

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Speaker 2: Nico Collins. And instantly when I hear someone compare a

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Speaker 2: guy to another guy, I instantly recoil and say, he's

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Speaker 2: his own mane, He's gonna be different. It doesn't matter,

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Speaker 2: but darn it, Like look at it. Looking at this

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Speaker 2: Collins esque stats and numbers. And I'm fine, I'll take

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Speaker 2: seventeen Nico Collins on a team. There's I saw this

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Speaker 2: idea out there that he can't have two of the

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Speaker 2: same guy. Sure he can, Sure he can, You absolutely can.

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Speaker 2: I'll take as many Nico Collins as you'll give me,

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Speaker 2: because because I mean, he's the definition of swarm in

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Speaker 2: on Twitter, Ian hartzit's had a. He had a really

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Speaker 2: good tweet last night. We're shooting this on a Wednesday morning.

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Speaker 2: He said, look at what Nico Collins was doing before

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Speaker 2: the injury against the Bills.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he was on case.

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Speaker 2: For two thousand yards. Now, was that if held up dominating?

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Speaker 2: We'll see. But he was lighting it up. And the

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Speaker 2: last catch he had before he got injured was what

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Speaker 2: seventy five yard touchdown, took it to the house. So

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Speaker 2: is there can he do this? Can Jayden Higgins do this?

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Speaker 2: We'll see. I mean that's a big bar to clear.

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Speaker 2: But man, I like all the numbers and the stuff

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Speaker 2: backing it up that made the Texans choose him. Because

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Speaker 2: the numbers was one little, smart, small component of why

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Speaker 2: they chose him. There's all sorts of other stuff that

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Speaker 5: I mean, think about it, is Drew And you know

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Speaker 5: how I do these things? I do a player comp

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Speaker 5: I didn't. I probably did about one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 5: player comps football takeover at com and so immediately when

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Speaker 5: I got back from the Senior Bowl, I didn't base

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Speaker 5: it on really other than the only kind of numerical

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Speaker 5: six fourteen, But it was just the way that he played,

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Speaker 5: the way that he carried himself, the way that he

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Speaker 5: won as a receiver. I came back from the Senior

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Speaker 5: about all that I've seen, and I'm like, oh, man, Okay,

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Speaker 5: Higgins is Higgins's Nico. Man, There's no doubt, just the

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Speaker 5: way they move, how fluid they are. And I remembered,

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Speaker 5: you know, Jaden I thought had a good Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 5: And what stood out to me was the fact that

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Speaker 5: not played for a whole year, and so Nico did

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Speaker 5: not have a great Senior Bowl. I remember coming out

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Speaker 3: Such a peculiar set of circumstances.

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Speaker 4: And I had an agent.

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Speaker 5: I had an agent tell me at some point he

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Speaker 5: was like, during that Senior Bowl, defensive backs are kind

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Speaker 5: and because they felt like they could just destroy this

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Speaker 4: And it's funny because I try.

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Speaker 5: And buy some gear from the Senior Bowl hats and

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Speaker 5: I pulled it out of my closet. This is back

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Speaker 5: and I was like, oh yeah, And I went looking

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Speaker 5: And then there's Nico. And it's just funny because at

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Speaker 5: the Senior Bowl there were all, oh, this guy, that guy. Now,

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Speaker 4: But I just remember a litany of those guys like nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing,

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Speaker 2: So do you remember if the dbs that were fighting,

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Speaker 5: Oh no, no, No, the DB's weren't. The DB's weren't

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Speaker 5: very good in that in that if I remember correctly,

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Speaker 5: gotta go look the back of my shirt again, yeah,

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Speaker 4: But that was to me, that was just.

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Speaker 5: A the way that Higgins plays the way Nico plays, Like,

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Speaker 5: I can see the comparison, so okay, size wise, it fits,

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Speaker 5: and that's where I start with it. For me, I

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Speaker 5: start with size, like how similar are the sizes because

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to compare Jaden Higgins to Maurice Jones Drew.

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna, you know, the way even though the

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Speaker 5: play simple, no, no, no, I'm gonna compare. Start with size,

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Speaker 5: and then from there I'll go, Okay, how did their

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Speaker 5: kind of the same way? And I came out of

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Speaker 5: that Senior Bowl thinking, yeah, they do. And so that's

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Speaker 5: that's where I came up with the competent Jayden Higgins

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Speaker 5: but they just and I had that back in January

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Speaker 5: was immediate, like I wrote up his report Boom Nico Collins,

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Speaker 4: That's easy.

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Speaker 5: At sous if I can knock out a comp easy,

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Speaker 5: I try and mock, I try and come up with

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Speaker 5: a comp that's different for every receiver, every player in

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Speaker 5: a draft. So I won't comp Nico to five different

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Speaker 5: guys that are six, four, two, ten. Nico only goes

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Speaker 5: to one and sometimes it's hard, and there's some guys I.

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Speaker 4: Just won't I won't comp too.

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Speaker 5: And as Nico gets maybe a little bit better, I

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Speaker 5: probably won't comp anybody to Nico because he would just

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Speaker 4: Like I'll never comp anybody to J. J. Watt.

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Speaker 3: Did you comp Broughck Osweller to Dan MacGuire, You know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I didn't do a comp back then.

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Speaker 5: But it's funny because with Brock, I didn't like him

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Speaker 5: out of Arizona State.

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Speaker 4: I remember that's yeah, I didn't like him at all.

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Speaker 5: And when he signed here, it was like I had

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Speaker 5: this push pull of man.

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Speaker 4: Either either my drafted port is wrong.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, or my positive vibe about Brock was gonna be wrong.

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Speaker 5: And you know, yeah, coprock Man, he's a nice dude,

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Speaker 5: I've gotten I've gotten to talk to him a few

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Speaker 5: times since. He's been great, So I'm not gonna say

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Speaker 5: a bad thing about Brock All good, all good. I

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Speaker 5: was in my damn aguire was just like, they're both No,

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Speaker 5: that's a great comp that's an absolutely perfect comp.

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Speaker 2: We'll go old here on in the lab. If you

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Speaker 2: don't know what we're talking about, that's fine, it's all good.

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Speaker 3: It's all good.

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Speaker 2: But ife of you old people like Dave Howard probably

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Speaker 2: got that. He knows, you know, Dave okay t And

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Speaker 2: by the way, I got to interview all of these

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Speaker 2: guys except for Keanta Hamilton and Luke Lasche and everyone

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Speaker 2: is in that honeymoon phase when you talk to him

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Speaker 2: five minutes after being drafted, and as pleasant as can be.

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Speaker 4: And his movements.

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Speaker 2: He's He's gonna be fun man. It's just you gotta

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Speaker 5: And all of a sudden, Jalen runs that sail route

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Speaker 2: what he does. Okay, Jalen Smith, defensive back from USC Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to speak for you, but I'm going

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: I'm pumped if if that's the case, I'm cool with that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, late third round, if you get a guy. I

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Speaker 4: You know, you get Noel who can give you return game.

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Speaker 2: Jalen took No.

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Speaker 4: No.

438
00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:41,600
Speaker 3: No.

439
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,879
Speaker 4: Two was totally different. Kaylen were seven.

440
00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,359
Speaker 5: He had originally wore twenty seven like as a young buck,

441
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,960
Speaker 5: and then he moved to seven. So Jalen wre nineteen

442
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,520
Speaker 5: and then he ended up moving to two and it

443
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,120
Speaker 5: threw me off. But then I remembered the nineteen because

444
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 5: I remembered him from the year before, and so I'm like,

445
00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,840
Speaker 5: but man, he it's thought a slot kind of played

446
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,680
Speaker 5: the nickel. But then I thought about one play in particular,

447
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,399
Speaker 5: Monday Night against the Dallas Cowboys, and look, Kamante Turpin's

448
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,200
Speaker 5: gonna beat everybody.

449
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,240
Speaker 4: I mean, he's one of the quickest, fastest guys I've

450
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 4: ever seen live. He's unbelievable.

451
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 5: But Jeff Akuda got beat so bad, like he wasn't

452
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,199
Speaker 5: even the ballpark. Jalen's gonna be able to be that

453
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 5: third guy, whether it covers inside, whether it covers outside.

454
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 5: And maybe it's not even him, but maybe it's Ronald Darby, however,

455
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 5: but the Texans needed a good third cover guy that

456
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 5: if they want to go dime with a coverage aspect

457
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,880
Speaker 5: to it, then Jalen Smith can be a third cover guy.

458
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,879
Speaker 5: But look, if what you get from Jalen Smith is

459
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 5: he comes in, he covers some people on third down,

460
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 5: and then on fourth down he goes and dominates on

461
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 5: special teams, Hell, yeah, let's go. It's ninety seven pick

462
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 5: in the draft. You know there's some teams that pick

463
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 5: a kicker there.

464
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 2: And I didn't want to make this seem like, well,

465
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,159
Speaker 2: the Texans spent a third round pick on a guy

466
00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 2: who's only gonna be a special team round. I'm just

467
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 2: saying these are little things that like stood out to

468
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 2: me as far as YEA, yeah, I think they have

469
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,880
Speaker 2: plans for him. Yes, defensively, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, but clarify there.

470
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 5: But as Frank told us in the interview, he had

471
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,479
Speaker 5: a hard time sleeping after that game against the Chiefs.

472
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 5: He felt like the special teams let a lot of

473
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 5: people down. So to see somebody like Jalen Smith come in,

474
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 5: Jalen Nole come in with some.

475
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 3: Return game that was really super important to Frank.

476
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 5: To have guys of a high caliber athleticism, and you

477
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 5: get the feeling that Jalen Smith appreciates being on special teams.

478
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 3: For sure Wood, he marks.

479
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 2: J Equavius marks running back from USC four years before that,

480
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 2: running back from Mississippi State. His head coach in college,

481
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 2: and he brought this up with me. He brought this

482
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,439
Speaker 2: up with me on the the post draft interview. My

483
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 2: head coach is Lincoln Riley. I watched lots of tape

484
00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 2: of Joe Mixon. Interesting Riley because interesting Lincoln was Joe

485
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 2: Mixon's offensive coordinator about a decade ago, give her take

486
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: a few at Oklahoma. Well before that, about twenty years ago.

487
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 2: I knew Lincoln Riley and he was a GAU low

488
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 2: level assistant coach for Texas Tech when I was out

489
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,719
Speaker 2: in Lubbock. Lincoln, you know, I'm a fan of Lincolns.

490
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 2: I like him. So Lincoln is familiar with a guy

491
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 2: named Tarian Henderson, and I know you are too, John.

492
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,719
Speaker 2: But Tarian played running back for the Red Raiders, the Aughts,

493
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 2: the mid Oughts. I know his senior year there, which

494
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 2: I think was my first year there five he set

495
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 2: the record for most catches by a running back all

496
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 2: time NCAA history, caught lots of catch He was a

497
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 2: really productive running back that raid offense very very.

498
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 3: So what looks what stands out to me with woody marks.

499
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 2: He didn't do this under Lincoln Riley, but as a

500
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 2: sophomore at Mississippi State, he caught eighty three passes as

501
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 2: a sophomore as a running back. That's in a college season,

502
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: not in a seventeen game NFL season.

503
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 3: Eighty three passes. John, that's bananous.

504
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 2: I mean that that was the the red blinking light

505
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: of all red blinking lights in this entire draft class.

506
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 2: Eighty three catches for a running back as a sophomore.

507
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: That's wild, dude, wild. So let's just okay.

508
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 5: Critics says, yeah, boy, that was the leach off fens

509
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 5: and they just throw the ball a two and a folf.

510
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 4: Okay, half doesn't matter.

511
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 3: It's a running back.

512
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 4: I don't care cut him in half.

513
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's still forty two, forty one, forty two catches

514
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 5: out of the backfield that are of a big time

515
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 5: quality variety. I'll tell you my my mark story. It

516
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 5: was twenty twenty three and I happened to be watching

517
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 5: a game one night in its Mississippi state, and I

518
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 5: want to say Lsu may out of an Lsu I

519
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 5: can't remember.

520
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 4: And what he's got a bang up I think it

521
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 4: was ankle. He's got bang up bankle.

522
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 5: And you can tell that there's a hitch in his

523
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 5: gidio like he's not he's not full, like he's not

524
00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 5: fully healthy.

525
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 4: The announcers and talked about it. You can see on writer.

526
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 5: I can't remember which one it was, like you can

527
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 5: tell like something's not right. He's banged up and drew

528
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 5: abby damn if he isn't running through tackles, he's carrying guys.

529
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 5: He's fighting for every single inch and he will not

530
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 5: come out of the game.

531
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 4: He will not.

532
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 5: They tried to send somebody in. He waved them off.

533
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 5: He's like, I'm not coming out of this game. And

534
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 5: I just remember what he Mark's badass, like okay, and

535
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 5: then obviously you know what happened with Coach Leach passed

536
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 5: away Rip Coach the Great Pirate in the Sky.

537
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 4: We lost him.

538
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 5: Then he ends up moving on to USC and he

539
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 5: has I think it was forty seven catches at USC,

540
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 5: and he kind of.

541
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,239
Speaker 4: Shared a little bit of time whose name escapes me.

542
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 5: It was zero his number was zero and they had

543
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 5: a nice little one two combination, but still what he

544
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 5: went over eleven hundred yards rushing, had forty seven receiving,

545
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 5: and I was just like every time I would watch him,

546
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 5: I kept banging the table like I love this guy.

547
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 5: I love this guy. Was one of my favorites. Is

548
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 5: the type of guy that we need to have because

549
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 5: it's toughness. He swore me like man pass catching like

550
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 5: I was.

551
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: You know.

552
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 5: So on Saturday, I'm sitting right here and Brooke was

553
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 5: doing our updates and shoes right here, and Sean was

554
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 5: over there, and we have the TV on and I

555
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 5: literally see our logos on the screen and I'm like, hey,

556
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 5: I think we moved up. And Brooke goes, yeah, we

557
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 5: are selecting Woody Marks bananas. And I literally just stood

558
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 5: up out of my seat and I was like, what

559
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 5: Woody Marks.

560
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 4: We just drafted Woody Marks.

561
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 5: I started banging the table because I was like so excited, like, man,

562
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 5: it's just the guy that I think when we talked

563
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 5: about this offense last year, we talked about it. A

564
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 5: lot of people probably got sick of hearing it, but

565
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 5: I think it was it's just this way. It's the

566
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 5: way this team thinks he has swarming as hell, I

567
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 5: mean big time and just that toughness, the way that

568
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 5: he was kind of carrying at Misissippi State offense.

569
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 4: That's stayed with me, man, and I'm so glad he's here.

570
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 5: And look, he may not be a drop, but I

571
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 5: would bet the complete opposite. I would bet that that

572
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 5: dude is going to come in here and whatever role

573
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 5: you give him, what are you not going off for

574
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 5: a pass, you're pass protecting. It's at blitzing linebacker all day,

575
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 5: got a coach, whatever you ask him to do, that

576
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 5: dude is going to end up being a factor and

577
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 5: impact this organization no matter what.

578
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: All Right, moving on now to Jalen Reed, Penn State safety.

579
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 2: I interviewed him as well. I think that start to me.

580
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 2: He played sixteen games last year because any Lyons went

581
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: to the lost Semis. Yeah, a lot of games. One

582
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 2: of them was against my alma mater, SMU and they

583
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: handled the pony.

584
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 3: But whatever, he was there, it's cool. Yeah.

585
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: What stayed up to me though it's not a number

586
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: with him, it was he's got a he's got a

587
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: chip on his shoulder and I think he thinks he

588
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 2: should have gotten drafted a lot higher. Yeah, and I

589
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: think he's got a lot to prove. In his mind,

590
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 2: he's saying, I've got a lot to prove. That's the

591
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 2: vibe I got with him in the post in the

592
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 2: post draft interview.

593
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 4: You know, he was that tracks as they would say.

594
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: He was like focused and he was happy that he

595
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 2: was drafted. He was going to celebrate. But it's like,

596
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: I'm I'm here to prove something.

597
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 3: You get that. You get that vibe with him.

598
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 4: That's the way he plays, Yeah, like he's fearless.

599
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: That and it is his let's do it. He said

600
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: it forty eight yeah call you know.

601
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 5: I mean I think that was just his way of like, yeah,

602
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 5: I've got my spot now, I know where I'm going,

603
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna go.

604
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: Wreck shop and look it just had a sweet grilling

605
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 3: with him.

606
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 5: Well, I had him at one o four in the

607
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 5: Harris one hundred, and I wasn't totally sure why he fell.

608
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 5: I think the the one thing that stood out that

609
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 5: I could kind of come up with was, you know,

610
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 5: we don't we really don't talk about strong safety, free

611
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 5: safety much anymore. You know, it's not kind of looked

612
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 5: at like that in the league hasn't been for a while.

613
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 5: But he's got a little bit more strong safety qualities,

614
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 5: like closer to the box, likes.

615
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 4: To hit, let's be very physical, you know. But he's

616
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,719
Speaker 4: got pretty good ball skills.

617
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 5: I mean he when he's deeper in coverage and he's

618
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 5: got to react to the ball.

619
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 4: I think he does a pretty good job. But he's fearless,

620
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 4: I mean fearless.

621
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 5: And so if you're thinking about the one hundred ninety

622
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 5: seventh pick, I think it was.

623
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 4: I think that's what it was.

624
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 5: Could be wrong, but six round pick, you got to

625
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 5: be a guy that thinks about special teams and that might.

626
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 4: Be the way that you make it.

627
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 5: That might be the that might be your entree into

628
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 5: getting more defensive time. And I think just when I

629
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 5: listened to his interview with you, and I know the

630
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 5: type of player he is, I could see him understanding that, Like, look,

631
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 5: here's the secondary He even drafted another secondary re member

632
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 5: in front of you the day before, not different positions,

633
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 5: but here's also the history.

634
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 4: This guy hurt, this guy hurt, this guy hurt. You

635
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 4: gotta be ready to go, but.

636
00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 5: You have to make your mark on special teams first.

637
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 4: Then you will get time on defense.

638
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 5: Huge, you gotta do that, but you have to buy

639
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 5: into being that great teammate. I get the impression that

640
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 5: he's going to be that great teammate for sure.

641
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know another great teammate, a quarterback who elevates

642
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: those around him. Graham Mertz was the guy that the

643
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: Texans took after Reid played at Wisconsin a lot played

644
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: at Florida the last two years. In a kind of

645
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: interesting situation, he was easily the most polished of all

646
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: the interviewer interviewees, and thus of these guys were really

647
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: really polished.

648
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 4: But another Kansas City kid over the park kid.

649
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, his dad played in U in college and everything.

650
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: But the thing that stood out to me were these

651
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: two numbers, twenty and three, twenty touchdowns, three picks. It's

652
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: really really close. And that was in twenty twenty three

653
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: for the Florida Gators. Yep, that's really really close to

654
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: what CJ. Stroud did in twenty twenty three for the Texans. Yeah,

655
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: but incredibly accurate and north of seventy two percent both

656
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: seasons each of the last two season. Now last year

657
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: got ended early because of injury, but accurate, accurate, accurate

658
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: after not being too accurate at Wisconsin. You really flipped

659
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 2: a switch with the with the Gators the accuracy there.

660
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 5: You know how I feel about adversity for quarterbacks through

661
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 5: I feel like the better quarterbacks I went through it

662
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 5: in the NFL are guys that have gone through it

663
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 5: at some point. You know, Josh Allen had to fight

664
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 5: for a junior college spot, you know, just to get

665
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 5: on a roster in.

666
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: Time out, time out, time out.

667
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: My nine year oldt Oliver Doherty, the first thing he

668
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: asked me on Saturday after I got home was.

669
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: Like, why do you draft a quarterback?

670
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 4: Right right?

671
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: Right?

672
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: Well, case, Keenum's not here, so you only have C. J.

673
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: Stroud and Davis Mills and Keaton Slovis right, so he's

674
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: Keen's not as experienced as those two ahead of him,

675
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: but you need a third quarterback to compete with Keten Slovas.

676
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 5: So yeah, And you know the one thing, the thing

677
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 5: that immediately hit me because of course, when I sit quarterback,

678
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 5: all these kind of thoughts, Like I literally kind of chuckled,

679
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 5: like we drafted quarterback and then it hit me like,

680
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 5: wait a second.

681
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 4: When Nick was with the.

682
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 5: Patriots, they drafted quarterbacks all the time, even though they

683
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 5: had the greatest of all time.

684
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 4: On the roster. Sure they drafted Jacobe Brissett in the

685
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 4: third round, Jimmy Garoppolo in the second.

686
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: Tom Brady can't.

687
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: Throw every pass in every training camp, practice, OTA and

688
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: mini camps.

689
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the drafted Kevin O'Connell, who obviously is

690
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 5: not the Vikings coach. They drafted all kinds of quarterbacks

691
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 5: while Brady was there, and Brady remained the starter. But

692
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 5: when Brady got suspended, both Garoppolo and Brissett had to

693
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 5: step in. And so I'm not saying that, and hopefully

694
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 5: that doesn't happen. I mean I said on the broadcast too,

695
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 5: I hope Graham Merch never plays it down for the

696
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 5: Texans because it means that CJ. Stroud right has stayed

697
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 5: healthy and everything's been all good, and if something happened

698
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 5: to CJ, then Davis was healthy and.

699
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 4: We're all good there. But I talked about adversity.

700
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 5: You know, Merch was supposed to be all that in

701
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 5: bag of ships when he got to Wisconsin.

702
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 4: And I still follow Wisconsin.

703
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 5: My parents live up there now, and you know I

704
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 5: followed Wisconsin growing up, and that's why I was such

705
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 5: a big J. J. Watt fan before the Texas drafted him,

706
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 5: and so merch to a lot of people at Wisconsin

707
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 5: was a disappointment, and it was during COVID time, it

708
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 5: was coaching changes. There's a lot of stuff going on

709
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 5: at Wisconsin. So he goes to Florida, has a really

710
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 5: good year in twenty three. Everybody's like, well, okay, maybe

711
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 5: there's something there. Florida recruited the number one quarterback in

712
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 5: the country. You got named DJ Lagway, who's from Willis,

713
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 5: and DJ signs to go to Florida. Every single Florida

714
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 5: Gator fan Wantslagway to play. They want Legway to play.

715
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter what merks the year before. They wanted

716
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 5: leg What to play. And so Florida kind of came

717
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 5: up with this rotation and Lagway would come in and

718
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 5: the crowd would go crazy.

719
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 4: Things would't go so well.

720
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 5: Graham would have to come clean it up, and for

721
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 5: the first I don't know, five or six games, Graham

722
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 5: cleaned it up and had a pretty good twenty twenty

723
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 5: four going until he got hurt. Lagway had to kind

724
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 5: of keep it going the rest of the year, but

725
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 5: they got some momentum in.

726
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: Vile accounts, he was being a good teammates.

727
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, and that is one massively important, massively important

728
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 5: that he handled that adversity. And again, who did that

729
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 5: happen to in college one? Thomas Edward Brady in nineteen

730
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 5: ninety eight at Michigan no one recruiting the country. Drew

731
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 5: Henson ends up at Michigan and the Michigan coaches felt

732
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 5: like they had to play him or Henson would have transferred,

733
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 5: So they would play Brady.

734
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 4: Hanson would come in, it.

735
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 5: Wouldn't go great, They go back to Brady, Brady would

736
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 5: save the whole situation and finally got to the point

737
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 5: by the end of the year where like, look, we

738
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 5: just got to go Brady, and so they did, and

739
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 5: he going to Brady. He ended up being a stud.

740
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 5: Actually that was the second That was nineteen eighty nine,

741
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 5: That was Brady's last year, and Brady then had a

742
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 5: great rest of the year. Hanson came in the next year,

743
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 5: had a great two thousand and then ended up wanting

744
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 5: to go baseball.

745
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 4: Point being Brady had to go through that situation and

746
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 4: the way.

747
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 5: He handled it actually meant something to the pro scouts

748
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 5: and in the end, I think that mattered to our scouts,

749
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 5: mattered to organization, that Graham Martz had been through it

750
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 5: and be stayed a great teammate, and c J. Stroud

751
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 5: is going to be the quarterback for this organization for

752
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 5: a long long time. Fingers crossed. Hopefully, you know we

753
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 5: said about Sean Watson things went sideways. Hopefully things aren't

754
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 5: going sideways with a CJ.

755
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 4: Stroud.

756
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 5: But Graham Mertz is that guy you want around the

757
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 5: building that will compete with Keaton Slovas, will show you

758
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 5: what he's got when he's healthy, and we don't know

759
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 5: exactly when he'll be ready to go. But I listened

760
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 5: and listened to all those interviews because obviously I was

761
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 5: on the air at that time when we played them all.

762
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 5: Once we had him, and I listened to Mertz and

763
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 5: everything that we've said. He said to you in that

764
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 5: interview that he under he understands the whole thing, He

765
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 5: understands the probably, and that to me is being a

766
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 5: good professional. He's not walking around going I'm beating c J.

767
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 5: Stroud out I should be starting. No, it had nothing

768
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 5: to do with that, and very self aware, very self aware,

769
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 5: and I could appreciate that with a college quarterback becoming

770
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 5: an NFL quarterback, because.

771
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 4: There were plenty in this draft that were not self.

772
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: Aware, you know, uh, speaking of self aware.

773
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 2: So I apologize if if you've been watching and I've

774
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: kind of my eyes have been darting because my cousin

775
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 2: Yim has been texting me and he said, Jim, did

776
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: you draft a kid that went to John Carroll High

777
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: School in bel Air, Maryland? That's where I went, and

778
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 2: that's where my sister Michelle went. And so I said, no,

779
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 2: but Keyante Hamilton went to Georgetown Prep.

780
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 4: George Crown.

781
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, he says, no, no, No. My buddy said,

782
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: might be a wide receiver that went to John Carroll.

783
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: And I kind of put two and two together. I go,

784
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: I think you're thinking of our special teams coordinator Frank Ross. Yeah,

785
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: who played at John Carroll University in Cleveland, went into

786
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: their Hall of Fame last week. So problems with John

787
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: Carroll and Yim, You're you're off just a little bit.

788
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 2: It gets us to Kanta Hamilton. You know what stands

789
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: out to me about Kiante Hamilton. We got a wrestler.

790
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: We got I just as we were about to start

791
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: this podcast, I quote tweeted, there's this video of Contay

792
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: Hamilton body slamming in the heavyweights division, which is not easy,

793
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: uh and not not like WWE wrestling, but you know

794
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: Greco Roman high school wrestling.

795
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: Yuh. I love.

796
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: I love when the Texans, when any team has an

797
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 2: offensive or defensive lineman who has been a wrestler, because

798
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: their handwork is usually impeccable, their footwork is usually impeccable,

799
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: their understanding of leverage and just the physics of moving

800
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: people around.

801
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: Yes, it's typically impeccable.

802
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 2: This might be a steal in the seventh round getting

803
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 2: a defensive tackle who can who can do some things

804
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: as a wrestler as.

805
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 3: A FI player.

806
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 4: So loose, there we go. You you hit, you hit

807
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 4: on all of it.

808
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 5: And the Texas just recently signed Jake andrews Uh from Troy.

809
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: Does he have another wrestling Well.

810
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 5: I'll tell you my quick story is at the Senior

811
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 5: Bowl and my buddy Lance Airline was talking to him

812
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 5: and I walked over and he's got this big old

813
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 5: beard and it's this kind of interesting character. And I

814
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 5: watched him during practice and I knew. I just knew

815
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 5: just by watching him. I was like, and so I

816
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 5: walked over and I said, you wrestled, didn't you. He

817
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 5: looked at me like I had five heads. He goes, yeah,

818
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 5: how'd you know that? And Lance looks at me and

819
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 5: you see it? I was like, you can see it.

820
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 5: You can tell when guys have been wrestlers, how.

821
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 3: They didn't have flowers? Did he?

822
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 5: No, he didn't have Kyle flower ears. But you could tell.

823
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 5: And I'll find Jay, can tell him that story and

824
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 5: remind him of that and.

825
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: See whether he'll remember that.

826
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 4: But but you know, with Hamilton, you can see it.

827
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 5: You know a lot of times when teams are trying

828
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 5: to zone him off, like just the way he turns

829
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 5: his body, the way he contorts, the way he can

830
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 5: kind of grab hold of one but you know, leverage

831
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 5: another guy's he's being double teamed.

832
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 4: To whatever the case might be. You can see the wrestler.

833
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 5: I didn't not I didn't know about the wrestling part

834
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 5: as I watched him, But as I'm watching him, like

835
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 5: there's wrestler there, you could you could see it. You

836
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 5: can see it in Guys and long Hold. He was

837
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 5: really not only was he really good in high school,

838
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 5: but he actually I think wresselled, I believe, for Rutgers

839
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 5: early in his career, but then he realized he was

840
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 5: going to focus on football at that point. So look

841
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 5: at seinth round. There are two seventh rounders with Hamilton Lache. Yeah,

842
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,479
Speaker 5: we're I mean, well, here we go. Let's do Luke Lasche.

843
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 5: Let's let's round things off. Iowa tight end ooh, I

844
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 5: would tight end. Usually that gets people pumped up.

845
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 2: I think at George Kittle and some of the others

846
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 2: that have come through the greats Laporta. This guy played

847
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: with Laporta, and when Laporta left, the idea was, Okay,

848
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: he's up, he's next.

849
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 4: That's right.

850
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 2: But for a variety of reasons, that Iowa offense kind

851
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: of sputtered, and this guy did nice things and can block,

852
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: but didn't have the numbers that some of these other

853
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: Iowa tight ends have had.

854
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: But it's just basically iowad tight end.

855
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: Offense that didn't do what a lot of folks wanted

856
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 2: it to do. And there's still a lot of meat

857
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: on the bone with this guy. There's lots of promise.

858
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: I think with Luke Lache.

859
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, twenty twenty three, double checking my numbers here, Yeah,

860
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 5: he played only the first two and a half games.

861
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 4: Then he got hurt.

862
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 5: He was he was thought by a lot of the

863
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 5: draft knicks and all that coming out of twenty twenty two,

864
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 5: when he had a pretty good year he had twenty

865
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 5: eight catches, almost four hundred yards, four touchdowns. He were like, okay,

866
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 5: I would tight end because the same thing I would

867
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 5: tight end Luke Lache, son of an NFL Pro Bowl

868
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 5: off its tackle Jim leashe is Keevian eyes got Then

869
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 5: he only plays a couple of games in twenty twenty three,

870
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 5: so I think that kind of kept him off the

871
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 5: radar screen. And then at twenty twenty four, he had

872
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 5: a good start, then he got hurt, missed the game,

873
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 5: and then after he missed the game, so he missed

874
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Speaker 5: I don't know a game like seven or eight. After that,

875
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 5: he caught four passes for twenty two yards in four games,

876
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Speaker 5: and it's like what are we doing?

877
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like what happened?

878
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 5: Start the year he caught six or sixty three and

879
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, we're getting to a point. Even

880
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 5: against Ohio State he had five for thirty nine, Like

881
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 5: we're catching one for nine, two for nine, one for four,

882
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,959
Speaker 5: like what are we doing? And so I just felt

883
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 5: like when I heard his name, I was like, wait,

884
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 5: hold on, because you know how a seventh round is drew.

885
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 5: It just you don't see every pick you're trying to

886
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 5: follow from. I literally saw him. And this happened with

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Speaker 5: Xavier Hutchinson two back in twenty three.

888
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 4: I was like, wait, we.

889
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 5: Strafted hutch in a six round. He wasn't gone already.

890
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Speaker 5: I thought the same thing with Lachet. I'd seen some

891
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 5: of the tight ends go and I thought he's still

892
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Speaker 5: on the board. Like when I did my my draft

893
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 5: needs a Football take over dot Com, I put up

894
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Speaker 5: three the Texans ones, and I had lache as one

895
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Speaker 5: of the tight ends. I thought we would look at,

896
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 5: you know, a guy that can play in line. You

897
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 5: know he's not you're not quite the blocker that Jackson

898
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Speaker 5: Hawes is, but he still could play in line in

899
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Speaker 5: their stands.

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Speaker 2: He's a tight end that pretty much every I mean,

901
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: they all do it, but he could be a fit

902
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: for every team because of what what you're talking about.

903
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. And I think he can play

904
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 4: a couple of the tight end positions too.

905
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Speaker 5: So you get a guy like that in the seventh round,

906
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 5: start working with him and you're like, hey man, we

907
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 5: got a little something here.

908
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 4: So look, is he gonna be kittle? And they know

909
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 4: probably not. Odds would say no.

910
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Speaker 5: But if the guy's willing to work and he's got

911
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 5: the injury stuff behind him, and he comes in and

912
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 5: and look, that's that's what held TQ back. If TQ

913
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 5: had just stayed healthy, he was going to stack another

914
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 5: day on another day and be a pretty good tight end.

915
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 5: He just couldn't stay healthy at all. And so that's

916
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 5: the that's the biggest key I think with the tight

917
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 5: end room. Actually, I mean, if Luke luche does anything

918
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty five.

919
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 4: Just stay healthy, because he's a good enough football player.

920
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 5: We're good at pedigree DNA that if he just stacks

921
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 5: good day after good day after good day, then I

922
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 5: think he finds a way to do something with this

923
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 5: tight end group.

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Speaker 1: For sure.

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Speaker 2: We've stacked good podcasts after good podcast certainly have. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if I know you and I agree that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody else, but I think that, yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: this has been a longer one, but we have to

929
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 2: it's nine picks. It's there's only one, twenty twenty five

930
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: NFL Draft class for the textan, so we got to

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Speaker 2: cover it in full.

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Speaker 3: But John, this was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: Not fun man.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. He will do this.

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Speaker 2: Again next week. Thank you, general viewer, listener checking us

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Speaker 2: out for John.

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Speaker 3: I'm Drew.

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