1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, A production of My Heart 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: Radio Well together everything, So don't don't do Cody's hair 3 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: isn't real, it's all Why would you tell everybody the 4 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: truth about that? Well, now we can't, can't take it back. 5 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: Tody's believable. We're here to speak truth power. I'm a 6 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: Coway's beard truther. I wake up four hours earlier than 7 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: I should every day to make it look like I 8 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: have a luscious beard. And you've gone and ruined it. 9 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: Is that why it's impossible to reach you before noon? 10 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: I wake up four hours before I'm supposed to and 11 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: by the beard and then I fall back asleep. Roberts 12 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: same question. Oh, I just wake up at like noon, 13 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: fair day, every day, totally unrelated to There's there's no 14 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: excuse for it. I even go to bed at tens 15 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: some nights. Fuck itt. Um, so this is the worst 16 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: year ever. That was not an introduction for the show. 17 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: I was just remembering what a trash year it is. Um. 18 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: We had a couple We have a great interview. Yeah, 19 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: we have a great interview with the some of the 20 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: members of the Tenacious Unicorn Alpaca Ranch and Transhaven uh 21 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: in Southern Colorado coming up talking about their fighting with 22 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: well not thankfully not yet fighting, but their conflict with 23 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of local HUDs and the community support that 24 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: they've received. All right, let's talk about an alpaca ranch now, 25 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: Well together, you want to introduce yourselves first, um, and 26 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: so kind of how you'd how you'd prefer to be 27 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: referred to? Sure, Um, I'm Bunny second man here, Yeah, 28 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: I'm j Uh I guess she they I'm the permaculturalists, 29 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: and I'm Penny. Um. I just kind of run this 30 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: ship show, are you she her? Awesome? Um? Well, so 31 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: y'all are running an alpaca ranch slash commune in southern Colorado. 32 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: Would that be a good way to kind of describe 33 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: it in broad strokes? Yeah? I mean why it is 34 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: a commune? So yeah, totally. We we call it a transhaven. 35 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, the the alpaca are really the important part. 36 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: Could you walk us through kind of how things got 37 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: started and what the what the original vision was. Um, 38 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: it was about two years into Trump's presidency and I 39 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: looking around at just kind of the tatters that was 40 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: the trans community, after fighting, uh to not lose um 41 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: the ground that we were losing. Um, I just wanted 42 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: to kind of to like a I wanted to get away. 43 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: And so we threw through some more ideas around about 44 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: how we could just kind of like escape um capitalism 45 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: and kind of the world. Um. And eventually, like a 46 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: plot of land became available to rent and livermore Colorado 47 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: and um and and so we started there and it 48 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: grew from there. And what what is kind of the 49 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: current Like when you say a haven, what do you 50 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: mean by a haven? Um, it's a place for trans 51 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: people to come, um, shut the gate and block out 52 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: the CIS world, to be safe and respected and thrive 53 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: like um. It is. What we strive to do is 54 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: create an environment in which trans people can just be 55 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: fucking normal people. I don't know, you know, And uh, 56 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: that's a wonderful goal. Um. And I think unfortunately, I'm 57 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: gonna guess the Internet had something to do with this. Um. 58 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: The chuds became aware of y'all and what you were doing. Yeah, 59 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 1: I mean we're we're definitely not quiet. Um. And you 60 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: know we all have uh you know, we all voice 61 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: our opinions on Twitter. And I think that's probably where 62 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: they found us to begin with, was Twitter. Um. And 63 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: that's branched out to everywhere. Um, you know, the typical 64 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: list of fucking websites that just say horrible things about 65 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: trans people, and then um and and then over the 66 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: course of the last uh year, that's actually just kind 67 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: of elevated into real life here in rural Colorado weirdly enough, 68 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: Like they were always, um, I think that some of 69 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: the more prominent websites were always like a little bit 70 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: more leery of actually translating that to real world anything. Um. 71 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: And we turned a corner this year, and um, this 72 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: kind of harassment campaign. Could you, um, could you just 73 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: sort of walk us through when you first became aware 74 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: that you you had become something of a fixation, um 75 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: for your local I mean, for for starters. We should 76 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: I should open this by noting that southern Colorado is 77 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: a stronghold of the militia community. There are a lot 78 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: of right wing militia types out in that part of 79 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: the country. Um, and they are are some ornery folks. 80 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: So I'm curious, like how you came became aware that 81 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: you had you had hit their radar? So, um, what 82 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: really kicked it off? Like I can lock down a 83 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: date it was, uh they so the town, Yeah, um, sorry, 84 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: I can't lock down and dated apparently, uh, but the 85 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: town had actually canceled their Fourth of July fraide, and 86 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: a group of city sen's a gathering of citizens, decided 87 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: that the right thing to do was to hold a 88 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: protest rally um, an armed protest rally on the fourth 89 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: of July, and dress it up like a Fourth of 90 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: July parade um and then yeah, and then pretend like 91 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: that was like normal and not fashion at all. And 92 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: so when we stumbled into it, like we've gotten kind 93 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: of a heads up, and we were like okay, like 94 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: as queer people were going to avoid this unfortunate event, um, 95 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: And so we we ducked into town early to get coffee, 96 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: but happened to just hit it because we heard protests 97 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: and we were like, well, it's gonna be an evening thing, yeah, 98 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: afternoon maybe, but they apparently decided to just completely replace 99 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: the parade with this event. So we rolled into town 100 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: thinking we were gonna get there too early for the protests, 101 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, we're in the middle of 102 00:06:55,160 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: this ridiculous parade. Yeah, and there was in the lead 103 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: of the parade, there was a three percenter flag and 104 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: a Confederate flag and that and armed white people, you know, 105 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: like that that was the startling beginning to the parade. UM. 106 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: And so we you know, we just kind of ducked 107 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: out of town as quick as we could. And then 108 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: we went back. Um and obviously, like you know, we 109 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: went to our social media and we're just like wow, 110 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: like Nazis on parade in Westcliffe, you know, like heads 111 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: up everybody, um, And from those couple of tweets grew 112 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: a hatred that just never fucking ended. We've never let 113 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: them think that, you know, we we have changed our 114 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: mind and anyway, so we've never apologized, and I'd like 115 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: to just saying fuck you. We've never walked any of 116 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: our staff's back. We tried to be a little more cordial, 117 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: to try to actually have conversations with some of the 118 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: more reasonable people. But like it's we've never stopped saying 119 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: that they're they're bullshit. Is Nazi ship? Yeah, but they 120 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: got yeah right, thank you? Yeah. Um, but it was 121 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: but that's where like that was literally where it started. Um. 122 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: And then right then it was very online focused and 123 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: then trying to isolate us as like outsiders from the 124 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: community and stuff like that. Um, whereas we're not, you know, 125 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: like individualistic, like we're we're fucking you know, we're in Amarcust, 126 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: so we're all about building communities. So like we're in 127 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: the community a lot. So it's really hard to like 128 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: to pretend that we're like some weird element that's outside 129 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: of the community. You know, we started picking up doing 130 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: handy work, so we are directly involved with a lot 131 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: of individuals within the community. And these people, uh, you know, 132 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: the the opposition, who you could say is very intent 133 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: that their ideology is the one consistent thing throughout the 134 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: entire county. But this county is diverse. Yeah, there's people 135 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: of all different kinds of walks and backgrounds, and and 136 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: they're all mixed here. They all have different opinions about stuff. 137 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: And that's great and I love it. And I love 138 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: meeting people who don't think like me, who are willing 139 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: to talk and listen to me. Yeah, and they and 140 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: but that's not the Custer County that they want to 141 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: put forward or that they wanted to be, honestly, that 142 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: they wanted to be, I guess. And what is like 143 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,479 Speaker 1: when you when you're talking about kind of the ideology 144 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: that you gleaned these people had from their march. What 145 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: is it that you saw on display that day? It 146 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: was I mean trump is UM is definitely hard is 147 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: a huge part of that Q. And on Christian white nationalism, Yeah, 148 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: Christian white nationalism UM, the the code of the militia, 149 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: you know, especially like the I I don't know, like 150 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: anything free per se is just so some of it. 151 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: And that's you know, like it was blatantly on display. 152 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: So when did this kind of go from what started 153 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: out as sort of an online beef to something that 154 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: was happening on the ground around you, like it kind 155 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: of intersecting with your actual UM, with your lives and 156 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: in the place where you lived. So we've been getting 157 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: UM an increasing amount of warnings over the last like 158 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: three months. UM, and had just been kind of UM 159 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: kind of paying closer attention and kind of beefing up 160 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: our security here on the ranch UM or trying to 161 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: like we're we're ranchers, like beating up security on a 162 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: forty acre lot with animals, Like it's difficult to do that. 163 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: We were just kind of walking more patrols UM. And 164 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: then we started noticing that we were getting followed, UM, 165 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: we were getting tagged in town and coming off of 166 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: our road. And then we got a bevy of dire 167 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: warnings from townspeople who like like us, Um, that ship 168 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: was really really gonna like the harassment campaign was going 169 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: to start. Um and literally, So that night, Um, we 170 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: we had somebody from out of town that volunteered to 171 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: help us with security. UM. He came in, was was 172 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: aggressively followed down our road to the point of they tried. 173 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: It was an eighty mile per hour chase down our 174 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: dirt road. Um and he had to like draw a 175 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: gun to get them to back off. Then he came 176 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: onto our property to help us secure and we caught 177 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: multiple people armed on the property that night. Um. And 178 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: that was two weeks ago now, and we've been we've 179 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: been at that level of harassment since then. Could you 180 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: tell me how you responded to, um, to finding them 181 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: on your property that first time? So uh, he he 182 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: commanded them to turn around and walk off our property 183 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: and if they turned back towards him, they were going 184 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: to die um and now. And they ran and left 185 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: a pale a trailer piste down my fucking driveway through 186 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: their rifles and jumped our fucking gate. Um. And that 187 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: was that was the engagement old orl Uh threw his 188 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: gun so hard. Uh. It was described as being about 189 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: halfway across the road from our fence line. So you know, 190 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: we're we're dealing with well entitled people who have no 191 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: training or understanding of what they're really doing trying to 192 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: intimidate people so far. Yeah, yeah, we are our our 193 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: main concern as if they actually find someone competent who's 194 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: willing to attack an our packer ranch. I mean, yeah, 195 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's it's definitely it was. It was shocking. Look, 196 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: it's shocking. I don't here how in after like they 197 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: were shocked in the moment that somebody like confronted them 198 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: in an aggressive manner and and they took off, and 199 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: they took off readily because I don't they they thought 200 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: we were a soft target, like they thought we didn't 201 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: have community back, and then I wouldn't point a gun 202 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: at them, you know. Yeah I really feel that that. Yeah, 203 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: I really feel that they thought we were going to 204 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: lay down. The threat was and we're going to burn 205 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: us out like that was the threat that that showed 206 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: up across many many boards, was that they were going 207 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: to burn our house down. Uh, to get us out 208 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: of the county and take our guns. Um. And that 209 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: was you know, uh, that they met more opposition than 210 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: they thought they were going to meet. You know, like 211 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: that's just and I mean a lot that their reaction 212 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: says a number of things to me, chief among it 213 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: that they entered that situation without having an exit plan, 214 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: which makes me, yeah, what what what you said? They 215 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: did not expect any kind of resistance, Otherwise they would 216 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: have had a plan for getting out other than throwing 217 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: their weapons over a fence. I hope Earl hears this. 218 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: By the way I'm coming. I mean, it's one of 219 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: those things, you know, I um, I think about this 220 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: with our local chud's up here in the Northwest, where 221 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: they do a lot of silly stupid ship That kind 222 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: of reinforces the fact that they aren't they aren't nearly 223 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: as harder as prepared as they want to be. But 224 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: also every encounter like this, there's a chance some of 225 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: them will at least learn from it, learned, Okay, we 226 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: need an exit plan next to him, Okay, we need 227 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: to be prepared for resistance. It's the same thing. You 228 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: see a lot of them run away when they get maced, 229 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: but then the next time they get mace, maybe they 230 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: don't run away, or they come with a mask or 231 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: something like. It is this process of that's not going 232 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: to be the case for all of them, but some 233 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: of them will get smarter and harder as a result 234 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: of some of this. And I guess, um, the good 235 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: news is that so will y'all. Although that's I don't know, 236 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: calling it good news seems a little bit odd. Yeah, 237 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: that that's what we're actually finding is they're getting ever 238 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: since that first encounter, that they're getting more um forming 239 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: themselves more, and they're taking it slower, and they're coming 240 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: up with plans, lots of observation, lots of yeah, lots 241 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: of overwatch, lots of checking us and probing as opposed 242 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: to boldly stepping onto the property, which I don't know 243 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: what's better, you know what I mean? Like, I certainly 244 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: haven't slept for twenty four hours now, I've been on guard. Like, um, 245 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: it was like not to say we've had a huge 246 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: outpouring of support. We just happened to have two days 247 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: here where we don't have anybody else to guard, so 248 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: you know, like me and Jay, you know, we're also 249 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: running a full time ram so I, me and Jay 250 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: stay up and guard at night, and then everybody else 251 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: has to do like all the chores and get the 252 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: food and everything else like during the day. So it's 253 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: it really, you know, like they're they're they're learning, and 254 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: that's that's the terrifying half of it, you know. And 255 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: what would you go into the tail a bit more 256 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: about the kind of support you've seen from the community 257 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: once you you sort of started talking more openly about 258 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: what you were facing. Oh my god, yeah, I like, uh, 259 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: the only thing that I can say is like we 260 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: were humbled in such a way that like I like, 261 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: definitely I'm a crier, but like I was definitely crying. 262 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: Like people have shown up. Um from day one, the 263 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: are are now head of kind of security out here, 264 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: showed up kind of blind. He just heard that we 265 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: were in trouble, and he showed up from from two 266 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: and a half hours three hours away. And UM, from 267 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: then forward, we have had a contingent of uh people 268 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: UM doing just community support, like showing up here, armed 269 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: in plate willing to risk their lives for us, like 270 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: I literally willing to list risk their lives for us. UM. 271 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: Every every day they show up and do this um, 272 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: and there is no there is no thank you big 273 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: enough for something like that, I mean, And and then 274 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: also like our go fund me is blowing up, which 275 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: is going to allow us to put up fence and 276 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: cameras and and really protect ourselves long term, because that's 277 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: this isn't going away this month, you know. Um. The 278 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: community support has been everything everything, UM. And it's not shocking, 279 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: you know, like we know all these lovely people, UM, 280 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: but it is deeply humbling. Yeah. I think one of 281 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: the things that's been most impressive to me is kind 282 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: of watching this very organic apparatus with kind of this 283 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: organic boutique manufacturing apparatus fire up to support y'all. A 284 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: lot of stuff that kind of got it start during 285 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: the protests last year. But groups like earth Side Manufacturing 286 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: I know, has is sending you some rifle plates, which 287 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: are they're making like rifle resistant plates, And in just 288 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: this guy's um, this guy's workshop and Conquest of Threat 289 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: is putting together plate carriers and I believe I fax 290 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: um individual first aid kits. And it's been really interesting 291 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: to see this this kind of budding infrastructure of of 292 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: resistance that's based around kind of small scale manufacturing um, 293 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: but like of of necessary defensive tools. That's been really 294 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: interesting to watch happen because I think this is kind 295 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: of it started a lot of that stuff again started 296 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: during the uprisings the protest last year, but it's really 297 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,239 Speaker 1: starting to um come into its own now. And this 298 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: is the first time I've really watched it kind of 299 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: swivel um to meet a challenge. Yeah, it gives us 300 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: hope in like defeating fascism. I I mean in really 301 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: defeating uh what has become like uh these overwhelming odds, right, 302 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: Like it's like really just people helping people with the 303 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: skills that they have, and uh, yeah, it's snapped into 304 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: place immediately. We put out the call um for armor 305 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: and it was like answered immediately by people who know 306 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: what they're doing, and they just sent it to us 307 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: like it wasn't there wasn't questions, there wasn't you know. Um, 308 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: it was amazing, right, Like I don't think we've gotten 309 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: all kinds of supplies as well. We've been sent cameras, 310 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: like really nice ones. Uh, we're getting solar panels now 311 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 1: too as well. Uh, where people drove from out of 312 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: state to do drops for us of medical supplies uh, um, 313 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: other other perishable goods um and Uh, I don't I 314 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: don't know if we're allowed to say m oh, but 315 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: like um and all kinds of just amazing things uh 316 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: people have. U. Yeah, I I agree with what you're saying. 317 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: Like we've got this down like a real world example 318 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: of our mutually. It is truly re Yeah, it's it's 319 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: so interesting to me to watch this happen, in part 320 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: because one of the things that's had me, I don't know, 321 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: to to steal a term from their side, A little 322 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: black pilled was becoming increasingly aware from about fifteen on 323 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: of how large and well equipped the militia movement and 324 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: generally the right wing and surgent movements were, how organized 325 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: they were, how many guys there were out there with 326 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: with calm setups, UM, with with armor and heavy weapons 327 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: and even armored vehicles. UM. Seeing some of that in 328 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: in the Pacific Northwest, and realizing that, especially after the 329 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: sixth right you know, UM for that Okay, the state 330 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: will not take the necessary steps to deal with this, 331 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: And I think the only thing that that will deal 332 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: with this effectively is these guys knowing that they're not 333 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: they're not unopposed right, because that's kind of what all 334 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: of their all of their operation plans are predicated on, 335 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: is the idea that we're the only ones prepared. Yeah, 336 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: I think that you're hitting the nail on the head there, right, 337 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: is Like that's why you know, like we we had 338 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: a really long talk on the ranch of are we 339 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: gonna make this public? Are we going to Like there 340 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: was never a talk of like are we going to 341 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: give in? But it was like how public are we 342 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: gonna be with this? What are we going to frame this? Like? 343 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: You know, just it took us a month to move 344 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: out here. I'm not moving again. Um, there was no 345 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: chance they were going to get us off of this 346 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 1: this land. But like, um, but you know, it was 347 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: like we decided like no, Like they they're wrong, Like 348 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: they're wrong. They keep saying that they are the power 349 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: that they have, like we've been preparing for Bara bar Bra, 350 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,239 Speaker 1: But the reality is, you know what, Like they're just 351 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: fucking people like we are. And when people stand together 352 00:21:54,440 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: as opposed to individual individualistically, it's stronger. It just fucking is. 353 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: And we put a lot of faith in that idea 354 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: because we live it every day and so we could 355 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: like we were prepared to put a lot of faith 356 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: in that idea. It is the thesis behind what we 357 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: do out right, and so it did not We were 358 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: we weren't startled by the fact that UM, the community 359 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: stepped up. We were just startled about how amazingly the 360 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: community stepped up, UM, and how just fucking wrong Chudd's 361 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: really are about their infinite power myth and there's a 362 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: silent majority or the silent majority myth is a big one, 363 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: and I think it. You know, the the advantage, the 364 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: advantage they have is that a lot of them have 365 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: been preparing, and because most of them tend to have 366 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: come from a position of more financial privilege, UM, they've 367 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: been able to afford to prepare. The disadvantage they have 368 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: is that their preparation is generally quite selfish. And you 369 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: see that in the way they act on the street 370 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: as well. They're they're preparing, not as much to actually 371 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: be be for disaster, but preparing because they think the 372 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: stuff is cool and because it's UM. It's about collecting, 373 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: you know, neat things to them, and you you see that, 374 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: and like that story of that UM, that survivalist compound 375 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: in Texas that didn't have a non electric can open 376 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: or when the power UM. However true that is, I've 377 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: known a couple of people who were that kind of 378 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: quote unquote survivalist UM. And I think again, one of 379 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: the things we saw in Portland last year, especially when 380 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: we had that big Trump caravan where three thousand vehicles 381 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: drove through and they were mazing and shooting people with 382 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: paintball guns and assaulting people, is they they're very scary 383 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: when they're not kind of opposed in any sort of 384 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: organized way. And I think that's what they're betting on. 385 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: And I think our best chance to actually avoid violence 386 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 1: UM is for is shows of community support. Like this 387 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: is not just like oh we're we're going to donate 388 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: money or we're gonna get angry on Twitter, but like, no, 389 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: people are going to like defensive equipment UM, and send 390 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: cameras and and raise money for and like and come 391 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: over and volunteer time UM. And that kind of makes 392 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: the point to these guys, UM, not only like are 393 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: you not the only ones who have preparations for this 394 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but you're you're outnumbered. UM. Yeah, you're 395 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: selfish about it, and we're over here building community while 396 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: you're stroking your own individual ego and racism and racism like, yeah, 397 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: you're preparing to shoot minorities while we're actually like preparing 398 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: communities that involve everybody on every level. Like it's it's 399 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: different and fucking you're about to learn why? Yeah, I uh, 400 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: I don't. I think I think it's rad as hell, 401 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: not that you guys are being um, you know, harassed 402 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: and threatened with assault, but that the community has rallied 403 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: to um to protect y'all um. I think that's that's 404 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: been very inspe hiring to watch because when the story 405 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: first kind of bubbled up into my media feed, you know, 406 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: a couple of people messaged me saying, uh, these folks 407 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: are you know, being harassed and threatened and could you 408 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: please highlight some stuff? And I was like, oh god, 409 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: this is going to be one of those situations where 410 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: like the just nothing is done and a bunch of 411 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: sheds are allowed to harass and maybe even physically harm people. 412 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: And that does not appear to be the case. And 413 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: I'm very happy to see that kind of a wide 414 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: variety of people have rallied to to to to y'all's defense, UM, 415 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: and to enable your own self defense. Yeah, it's beautiful. 416 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful story of yeah, of mutual aid, of 417 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: community rising to the occasion. But also, I mean, you 418 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: started this off by telling us you wanted to create 419 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: a home place where you're accepted and you know, can 420 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: live a normal life. And while this isn't normal, what's 421 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: happening right now, it feels like what you're describing is 422 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: that you have succeeded in this, you know, within yourself, 423 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: but also within the community. And I think that's really 424 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: really beautiful. And for how dark this story is, there's 425 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: a lot there's a lot of very positive takeaways. Yeah, 426 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: we couldn't feel more protected, uh, in these moments of 427 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: of you know, obvious like security, risk and danger. Um, 428 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: the community has really really covered us with their hands 429 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: and you know, just made it real, like you know 430 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like we all it's what we all want, 431 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: it's what we're all kind of here for and pushing for. 432 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: And to see it coalesced like this is I mean, 433 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: it's it's validating, you know what I mean. Like it 434 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: it's validating on so many levels, um, and like makes 435 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: us want to push forward with our mission, Like far 436 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: from being beaten and down rotten, it's you know like 437 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: we're we're we're only gonna get fucking louder like and 438 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: it means you're doing something right. Yeah, they're really Yeah, 439 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:11,239 Speaker 1: like we expect the Chuds to not like this, and 440 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: so yeah, fuck you, h Cody, Katie, You got any 441 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: any more to ask? You're kind of get into here, 442 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: you coming on talking about it? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, 443 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: Just I think it's an inspirational thing for people to 444 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: hear about and know that in in these kind of 445 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: situations that um, you know you're right and they're wrong. 446 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: That's nice and yeah, exactly. Yeah, and this year, god 447 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: damn this year, and you're right a lot of Robert 448 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: pointed out correctly that a lot of this, a lot 449 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: of organizing occurred during the best year, especially during the uprising, 450 00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: the protest movements, and I'm just I'm so proud of everybody. 451 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: I mean, not everybody, but for many, definite. So many 452 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: people have learned viscerally how the government can't be relied upon, 453 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: and how that we need how we need to look 454 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: out for each other. And I see it in my community. 455 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: I love hearing it about how this has affected your community, 456 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: and it's something that I know we will take with 457 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: us moving forward. I've been thinking a lot about that, 458 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: like what will I take from this time going forward? 459 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: And this is this is one of the big ones, 460 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: you know, and you don't need to call it, like 461 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: I think a big one for us was like holding 462 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: that line of like you know, everybody, like we had 463 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: like twenty comments a day like why didn't you call 464 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: the police? Is the fold and we're just like the 465 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: funk you're talking about, like you like and so like 466 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: validation on that end too, of like you know, you 467 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: can just stand standard by your prince bulls and like 468 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: you don't have to compromise them, like the cops are 469 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: gonna make ship worse, Like just deal with it, like 470 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: don't talk for people to call the police, Like I 471 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: don't know, Like yeah, I mean there's a decent community support. 472 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah totally. Yeah, I mean it's also like building these 473 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: relationshipships and building these connections and mutual aid or programs. 474 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,959 Speaker 1: This is how we fight through all the crisis is 475 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: heading our way, whether it's climate change or eco fascism 476 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: or government repression, all of these things, Like we have 477 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: the community to deal with those things and that's how 478 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: we get through that stuff. So yeah, it's beautiful. Well, 479 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: thank you again for for sharing this with us. Yeah, yeah, 480 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: thank you for having us. Yeah, no, this has been wonderful. Yeah, 481 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: quick quick question. One of all posted a picture of 482 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: a of a of a bolt action rifle. I think 483 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: earlier today was that like a three thirty eight or 484 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: six point five I couldn't really identity and a wind 485 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: magin meg thank you? What was the what was the 486 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: model on that? That's a Ruger precision rifle. I like that. Yeah, 487 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: I just was curious about your rifle. It's over four 488 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: ft long. Everyone, every guard who's been up here has 489 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: just been like, damn, yeah, I love the muzzle on that. Yeah, 490 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: it's it's quite nice. Um. I've been into three oh eight, 491 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: getting really into the A R ten lately and and 492 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: kind of dialing in scopes on that. But I'm I'm 493 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: looking at going forward moving up to either like six 494 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: point five or three mag or Lapla. I'm not really 495 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: sure what I'm gonna do next, but I like those. 496 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: I like those big ones. Yeah. It's hard to find. Yeah, 497 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: I found everything I couldn't. I couldn't even source a 498 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: rug precision in Lapula, so I I figured three and 499 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: wind Mag's enough that'll lettle funk up an engine. So yeah, yeah, 500 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: well I have one last question. What's the status of 501 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: your go fund me? You it's still going right, so people, 502 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: we are incredibly close to the goal, which is just 503 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: fucking amazing. Were it's actually like yeah, I mean well 504 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: you can read on there like the plans of expanding 505 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: to like we're actually going to get into an earth 506 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: ship this year, um and really really like turn that 507 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: corner into full sustainability. Um. And it's we couldn't be 508 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: like more absolutely just on our ass about how amazing 509 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: the community has been with feeling that go fund me like, 510 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: it's been incredible. These assholes wanted us to move out 511 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: and instead we're expanding. Absolutely well, I uh, we have 512 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: the go fund me up on our Twitter account. It 513 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: should still be up there. Probably bump it again, so 514 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: hopefully we can help tip you guys towards finishing. Yeah no, 515 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah incredible, Yeah, thank you. We together everything, 516 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: So don't don't do all right, that does it for 517 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: us today? At worst, you're ever thank you guys for listening. 518 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: Check out the go fund me, uh, check us out online. 519 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: At worst, your pod on Instagram and Twitter, all the things. Yeah, 520 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: check out that podcast the Amazon too, that's right, and 521 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, check out You're how you're doing, and 522 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: then yeah, and then check you out here look because 523 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: you're you're good. Because yeah. Katie always manages to straddle 524 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: that fine line between complimenting and sections, which I do regularly. 525 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,239 Speaker 1: Um So I just gotta be just. I'm subtle with it. 526 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: Everything so dull, everything, so dumb man, Start again. I tried. 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