1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's a big treat when 2 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: we all go out to the movie. I get the twins, 3 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: I get David. We load up on drinks and candy 4 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: and popcorn, the works, and we sit down and we 5 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: completely love every minute of it. But that is not 6 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: what happened in a Pasco County, Florida theater when shots 7 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: ring out. I mean, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 8 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation 9 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: and Sirius XM one eleven. When all the smoke cleared 10 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: and the lights were turned on, there was a dead 11 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: body in the cinema. Take a listen to our friends 12 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: at WFTS. It was supposed to be a nice afternoon 13 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: at the movies. Vivian Reeves and her husband Curtis there 14 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: to see a matinee of Lone Survivor. Their adult son 15 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: was on his way to meet them. But then when 16 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: the yelling started, Vivian says She's never been so scared 17 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: in all her life. Vivian Reeves testify today that inside 18 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: theater ten, she noticed Chad Olson in the seat in 19 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: front of her using his cell phone. Once the previews started, 20 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: she saw her husband lean forward and say something to him. 21 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: She says. Olsen barked back. He used to work. He 22 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: was very loud, and I think he's the word texting. 23 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: And his daughter, she says, Reeves, a former police captain, 24 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't let Olson's behavior go. He started to stand and 25 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: he said, I'm going to go get the manager, and 26 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: I said, let's just move, and he just continued on. 27 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: How many times have scenes like that played out in 28 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: a cinema where somebody's on the phone, or somebody's xting, 29 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: or just generally causing a disturbance, But for it to 30 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: rise to the level of a shootout like the Wild 31 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: Wild West? When does that happen? Who are these people? Again? 32 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us here on crime Stories. Let 33 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: me introduce you an all star panel to make sense 34 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: of what we know right now. John W. Deal personal 35 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,839 Speaker 1: injury lawyer, high profile lawyer joining us out of that jurisdiction, 36 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: Winter Park, Florida. Author of the method Proven Techniques for 37 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: Winning jury trials. So you can find him at Johnwdal 38 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: dot com. Renowned psychologists joining us out of Manhattan. Karen 39 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: Start at Karen Start dot com. That's Karen with a 40 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: See Greg Smith, longtime colleague, Special Deputy Sheriff Johnson County 41 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: Sheriff's executive director of the Kelsey Smith Foundation, and you 42 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: can find him at Kelsey's Army dot com. Doctor Kendall Crowns, 43 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: the chief medical Examiner and Tiering County. That's fort Worth Esteemed, 44 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: a lecturer at University Texas and Texas A and M, 45 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: and faculty at University Texas Medical School. But first to 46 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: Christy Missouri Emmy Award winning investigative reporter Christie MISSOURIK, I've 47 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: gone and investigated where this happened there at Wesley Chapel. 48 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful stretch of road, largely residential, but to 49 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: the point where people still have deer walking through their backyards. 50 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: It's got just enough of that to make it seem 51 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: anything but urban for sure, affluent suburbia of Tampa. Tell 52 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: me what we know about Wesley chap Let's just start 53 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: with that. Well, you know, it's it's very picturesque. This 54 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: is not a place that is riddled with crime, neighbors, 55 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: no neighbors, So this wouldn't be a local where things 56 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: would become a fatal shootout in a movie theater, in 57 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: a movie theater of all places. And there's something about 58 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: that too, Karen Stark. When you go into a cinema, 59 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: you kind of suspend your disbelief and you are into 60 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: the movie. I kind of compare it to, for instance, 61 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: being on a cruise ship. You're lulled into complacency. Your 62 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: attention is elsewhere, and everybody generally feels safe. Everybody's there 63 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: just to chill and see the movie, and people let 64 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: their guard down. People are completely relaxed. As you said, Nancy, 65 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: if you think about, you know what's horrible events have 66 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: happened in movie theaters. What makes it even worse when 67 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: there's anything going on there that doesn't have to do 68 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: with watching the movie, is that no one even begins 69 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:58,239 Speaker 1: to anticipate that something terrible would happen. You are entering 70 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: a place where you're looking at a great big screen, 71 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: and your sense of reality has now altered because you're 72 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: living through the movie. That's a good way to put it. 73 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: Your sense of reality is altered because your focus is 74 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: the movie and what's happening there. An altered sense of reality. Interesting, guys, 75 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: take a listen now to our friends at WFTS. When 76 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: Reeves came back, he sat down, but his wife, says 77 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: Olsen went crazy. What did mister Olson say? You told 78 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: on me? Who do you think you are? She says 79 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: Olson stood up, leaned forward, and she thought he was 80 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: coming over the seats. She says she's blocked out what 81 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: happened next. I just didn't know what had happened, and 82 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: I just couldn't handle what happened. Reeves says her husband 83 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: told her Olsen hit him in the face. The defense 84 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: contends Olsen through his cell phone at him. That phone 85 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,119 Speaker 1: was found on the floor. Meanwhile, as Olson lay dying, 86 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: and off duty deputy who happened to be in the 87 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:01,679 Speaker 1: theater took Reeves gun. I said, what happened? You can't 88 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: shoot into a theater full of people something like that, 89 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: and he said not now. Yeah. And Vivian Reeves testified 90 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: today that she turned away before the shot. She didn't 91 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: see the popcorn fly. She did not see her husband 92 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: shoot that gun. Let me understand what exactly happened, because 93 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: Chrissy Missouri joining us. The shooter is Curtis Reeves and 94 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: he's seventy nine years old, sitting in a dark cinema 95 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: with wife Vivian, And as I understand that he's retired 96 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: law enforcement, then you've got Chad Olson forty three with 97 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: his wife Nicole. What ensued, Christie, Well, the Olson couple 98 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: is sitting in the roll ahead of the Reeves family. 99 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: The lights dim and the previous start rolling, and that's 100 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: when Chad Olson starts scrolling through his cell phone and 101 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: was texting a babysitter. That's when the retired member of 102 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: law enforcement kind of sits up in his seat and says, hey, 103 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: can you put your cell phone down? And this war 104 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: of words ensues, prompting Curtis Reeves to get up and 105 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: go and get the manager. Okay, hold on who So 106 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: seventy nine year old Reeves asks forty three year old 107 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: Olson to put down his cell phone because he's scrolling 108 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: through his phone, which is lighting up. I don't know 109 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: if he's texting, calling, or what he's doing. The movie 110 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: is starting and Reeves says, hey, put down your cell phone, 111 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: and Olson what says? No? What happened right there? Yeah? 112 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: Not so kindly of depending on whose testimony you believe me, 113 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: have had a huge few harsh explicatives back to the 114 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: retired cop. And at that point, Reeves stands up to 115 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: go and tell the manager, and he says I'm gonna 116 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,239 Speaker 1: go get the manager. That's all right. Then what happens 117 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: he comes back into the theater. At that point, ched 118 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:12,119 Speaker 1: Olsen cell phone is gone. So as Reeves sits down, 119 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: he said, well, you should have done that in the 120 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: first place, and I wouldn't have had to go and 121 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: get the manager. Oh, I bet that was pouring gas 122 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: on the fire right there. That's correct. That's when the 123 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: argument errupt taking. Listen out at art CUTT eleven. This 124 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: is Gloria Gomez with Fox thirteen. Chad Olson's wife, Nicole 125 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: took the stand this afternoon and said that Reeves was 126 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: rude and, like you said, was the aggressor. Now. She 127 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: took the stand around three o'clock this afternoon. She described 128 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: the moment that Reeves told her husband to put his 129 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: phone away, that he demanded that he put his phone away. 130 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: She says, the next thing she remembers is her husband 131 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: pretty much ignoring him, and then after that, she says, 132 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: she remembers him standing up. When she remembers that, she 133 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: says she doesn't remember too much. She felt something, but 134 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: that's when prosecutors say that Chatt Olson actually grabbed a 135 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: bag of popcorn threw it at Reeves. Reeves then pulled 136 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: out his gun, shot and killed Chatt Olson. This is 137 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: how she remembers it and what she told Did Jerry 138 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: take a look. It felt like my hand was on fire, 139 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: just fire. It felt like my hand was blown off 140 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: to John W. Deal joining US high profile lawyer out 141 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: of Florida. John. So often we see deadly shootings, other 142 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: types of homicides stemming out of every day occurrences, like 143 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: using a cell phone and a theater, somebody parking in 144 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: the handicapped spot, someone cutting somebody off, and then McDonald's 145 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: drive through. How often do you see a simple confrontation 146 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: or disagreement like that suddenly erupted into Hamas side. Well, 147 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, this is unfortunate, and I think it's you 148 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: know again, like you've mentioned before, the Wild Wild West. 149 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: I mean, a an altercation where people are disagreeing about 150 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:16,119 Speaker 1: texting and talking to the manager suddenly becomes a shootout, 151 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: and it's pretty shocking. Especially in Westley Chapel. I'm familiar 152 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: with the area. It's really a bedroom type of community 153 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: north of Tampa. It'd be similar to like Rodwell to Atlanta. 154 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: It's a upper middle class area, very nice, should really mean, 155 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: it's nice. Those lots and those homes, they're beautiful. And 156 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: behind them, John W. Deal, you can see forest land 157 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: and pastures. It's really pretty. Yeah, very picturesque. But certainly 158 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: when you hear about shooting the movie theaters, you know, 159 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: obviously it's happened in tragic situations like Aurora, but it's 160 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: something like this, it's just really surreal. You know what 161 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: the difference is though, because I immediately thought Aurora, which 162 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: is a great little town my um. I learned to 163 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: dive with a woman who lives in Aurora, so it 164 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: has a special spot in my heart. In that case, 165 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: John Deal, didn't the perk at the subject, didn't the 166 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: park go in like him swat gear. He meant to 167 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: go in his scarybody in shoot them all, as opposed 168 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: to a tiff over a cell phone. Oh absolutely, I 169 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: mean that's when I first heard moves up as the joker. 170 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: Oh that was him, Ye, right exactly. And he was 171 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: mentally unstable clearly, and you know, committed a lot of 172 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: murders there. He was just an a hole. I mean, 173 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: you say potato, I say potato. Maybe a combination of 174 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: the boat, but certainly that's not a tip over somebody 175 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: texting the movie theater, which I'm guilty of myself, so 176 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: you know I have Actually I'm pretty sure had somebody 177 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: say my phone my cell phone rang or I was 178 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: talking to the twins and I said, and it did 179 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: irritate me. But I was caught red handed and I 180 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: just said sorry. I tried to stop what I was doing. 181 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: Uh right, I didn't think I was angry. Not then 182 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: I was angry. I was caught doing that, but I 183 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't I found of like throwing my popcorn at the 184 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: person or starting and all. I like when you cut 185 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: somebody off and you you seriously don't mean to and 186 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: they're all mad. I usually try as best as you 187 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: can in traffic to you know, way would say, I'm sorry, 188 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: But how does it escalate so quickly? And John, I 189 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: always call you John W. Deal because there are probably 190 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: other John deals. Um, yes, and it's deals and deal 191 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: pickle correct, I said, the real deal. Okay, I'll go 192 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: with that. So John, I'm getting to and I guess 193 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: I did a shrink on this as well. But in 194 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: your practice you have a huge practice. Are you saying 195 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: more and more escalation of conflict over simple things where 196 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: you know before or if somebody cut you off in traffic, 197 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: you go beep, and that would be Yet now if 198 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: you go beep, you might just shot in the face, 199 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: right absolutely, And you know what you mentioned before about 200 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: the kind of the road rate situation in Florida, there's 201 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: been quite a few cases where what was brought up 202 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: in this case as far as the standard ground law 203 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: was used in a road rate situation as a defense. 204 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: So it's really things are escalating. It's not back when 205 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: we were younger and maybe people would to shallow each 206 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: other and that would be the end of it. Things 207 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: escalate quickly, unfortunately and tragedy. What did you say about 208 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: using road race what as a defense. No, Florida's standard 209 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: ground law essentially, which was used by mister Reeves, has 210 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: been used quite a bit in a road rate situation 211 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: when somebody comes out of the car or walks up 212 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: to the car and the person in the car ends 213 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: up shooting him and then they say, listen, I was 214 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: afraid that he was going to commit a felony on 215 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: the end, that's the defense under Florida law. So that's 216 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: basically played out here. It's really really gotten far afield 217 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: of standing your ground, which I think goes all the 218 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: way back to the Trayvon Martin case is one of 219 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: the first times I heard stand your ground right, it's more, 220 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: it's more, yes, ma'am, it's more. It's more. Quite a 221 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: bit I think originally was the castle doctor and if 222 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: somebody's breaking in your house, your home, right, exactly. But 223 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: that's now morphed into somebody approaching you and you reasonably 224 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: think or you say, hey, I thought he was going 225 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: to commit a felony against them, maybe with his popcorn. Right, Okay, 226 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: all right, here we go. You know, Karen start what 227 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: about everyday situations now suddenly morphing into a homicide? I mean, Karen, 228 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: you know how easy going my husband David is. Usually. 229 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: Of course, something happens when he's behind the wheel of 230 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: a car and he will like fuss at the other person. 231 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: I have never seen him shoot a bird ever, but 232 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: he'll fuss at the person and like speed up after them, like, well, 233 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: you stopped, children, because I'm afraid they're gonna start shooting. 234 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: For Pete's sake. That is not unusual, Nancy. We are 235 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: a very mild, matted person. When you put them behind 236 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: the wheel of a car. They get outraged and very stressed. 237 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: Christ if you hit traffic and all of a sudden, 238 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: they can't stand there. They're angry at the other person 239 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: in the car. And I think that everything has escalated, 240 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: particularly since COVID and people are here. Do you go 241 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: you blame everything on COVID. This was all happening before 242 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: COVID Care and Stark, Yes, but now it's even worse. 243 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: You know, people people don't feel they have control over 244 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: their lives, but when you're in a car, there's this feeling. 245 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: You know, you're protected by your car, and it's a 246 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: feeling of Okay, now I can take control. I'm in charge. 247 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: And everybody they just had a trigger kind of a 248 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: response to being cut off. Not everyone, but a lot 249 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: of people. What about it, Greg Smith, you hear Karen 250 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: Start and John Deal. You are the special Deputy sheriff 251 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: in Johnson County. Are you saying more crime stemming out 252 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: of what normally would have been just a polite disagreement. Well, 253 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: crime is definitely up for a number of reasons. But yeah, 254 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: it's I guess what you would or we would categorize 255 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: as stupid. Stuff can escalate into a violent confrontation fairly quickly. 256 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: Why that is why people feel the need to do that. 257 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: If I had the answer, I could I could probably 258 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: stop a lot of stuff. But I don't know what 259 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: the answer is. Take a listen to our friends at 260 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: Fox Certain Tampa Bay punish servation. Chad, he takes a 261 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: couple of steps and he collapses. Are you concerned about 262 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: your hand? Are your husband? Oh? My husband? I knew 263 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: he was way worse than me. Chatt Olson died a 264 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: few minutes after that. Prosecutors say Reeves was angry and 265 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: he overreacted to popcorn being thrown in his face. But 266 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: the defense says, no, that's not true. He was a 267 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: seventy one year old man who feared for his life 268 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: and had no choice but to shoot and kill Chattilson. 269 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: So Christy, Missouri joining us Emmy Award winning investigative reporter. 270 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: The wife Nicole was she also shot in the hand, then, correct, 271 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: she tried to deflect the bullet. I'm just sheer fear 272 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: and reaction. When the gun came out, she put her 273 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: hand up and the bullet blasted through her hand and 274 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: eventually into Chad Olson's chest. So we're hearing the side 275 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: of the Olsen's Chad Olsen and wife Nicole. Chad Olson 276 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: is a forty three year old dad who was texting 277 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: during the movie. The retired cop Curtis Reeves seventy nine, 278 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: and wife Vivian, sitting right directly behind him, say hey, 279 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: turn off your phone. An argument ensues. Reeves gets up 280 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: and goes to get the manager. When he comes back, 281 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: Olson furious that he had quote told on him. Let's 282 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: hear their side of what happened. Takeing us our cut 283 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:49,719 Speaker 1: thirteen from WFTS. During hours long testimony Thursday, Curtis Reeves 284 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: told a jury, well he remembered in the moments before 285 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: and after he shot Chad Olson eight years ago, after 286 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: an argument over the use of a cell phone. When 287 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: I realized that it wasn't going to go often that 288 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: it was still shining my face, I leaned over and 289 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: requested that he turned his phone off. Reeves told a 290 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: jury he got profanities as a response back. He said 291 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: he went to management and the situation later escalated. At 292 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: some point, Reeves told the jury he believed he'd been hit, 293 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: describing Olsen during his testimony as volatile. I've never been 294 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: encountered by somebody exhibiting that uncontrolled anger or rage, and 295 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: all of the perceptors that you could imagine, whether it's verbal, 296 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: physical expression at some point that at that time, I 297 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: had no other choice, and I reached the frolif pristim 298 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: no other choice. He says that he was afraid he 299 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: had been hit. He described Olson as volatile, that Olson 300 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: was had uncontrolled anger and rage, and that everything he 301 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: observed verbally, physically, expression wise made him believe he had 302 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: no choice but to pull his gun in the theater 303 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: and shoot. Take a listen to more of their side 304 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: our cup fourteen wfts. Reese told a jury he didn't 305 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: want to shoot anybody. Did you shoot mister Olson because 306 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: of harkness? Shout mister Olson because I thought he was 307 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: gonna seriously injured me or potentially kill me. State prosecutors 308 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: hit back, pressing Reeves on his de escalation training as 309 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: a former officer. The state also questioned Reeves over his 310 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: previous statements and how he claims the situation unfolded. You're 311 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,479 Speaker 1: testifying that there's a and he came out of six 312 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: foot four six foot four Chad Olson, who's full of rage, 313 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: is virtually on top of you, and he punches you 314 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: or he's you hard with a cell phone so much 315 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: so that your days. Yes, you easily bruise and there's 316 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: not a single mark on your face. That's what someone 317 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: dreamy believe. Yes, I do crime stories with Nancy Grace. 318 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: Straight out to doctor Kendall Crowns, the chief medical examer, 319 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: and join us out of Tarrant County. That's Houston, doctor 320 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns. If Reeves had been hit in the face 321 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: with a cell phone, would there have been a mark? 322 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: There should have been. I mean a cell phone is 323 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: heavy enough, I'm throwing hard enough. There should have been 324 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: some sort of injury on his face from it. But 325 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: there's potential that if it hit hit a broad enough 326 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: the area and the force of the cell phone kitting 327 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: the face was spread out of a lot enough surface 328 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: area that it caused more thought tissue damage than it 329 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: did again damage right, maybe on the cheek. If the 330 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: sault hit some flat on the cheek, potentially it wouldn't 331 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: have caused the bruise. They may have caused a saut 332 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: tissue or some cutaneous tissue hemorrhage with not surface bruising. 333 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: But that's if it hits flat and on like the cheek, 334 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: but if it hits on a corner, it should have 335 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: caused an injury. What do we know about forty three 336 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: year old Chad Olsen's gunshot wound? What can you tell 337 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: us about that? So ye had a gunshot wound of 338 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: the chest, so potentially the gunshot would would have involved 339 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: his lung or his heart. The fact that he walked 340 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: a few feet after he got shot. He didn't die immediately, 341 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: but he probably was bleeding into his chest cavity as 342 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: he was walking right before he collapsed. So it's essentially 343 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: hit his long and as hard he's going to have 344 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: trouble breathing, he's going to be coughing up blood, and 345 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: then he's going to die with an up two minute 346 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: Why would he be coughing up bloody? Time to get 347 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: hit the chest and it compromises your long with the 348 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: airways to go unto your long and start getting timbridge 349 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: in then and then you start kind of it cause 350 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: of irritation, and then it causes you to cough and 351 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: that causes you to start coughing up blood. Take a 352 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: listen to our cut one. This is Matt Gutman, our 353 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: friend at ABC. The Olsen's were enjoying a rare night out. 354 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: It was just so excited and looking forward to spending 355 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: the day with the love of my life. Before the 356 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: movie started, the screen lit up with that now familiar announcement, 357 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: turn your phones off. Really, this is the most important 358 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: scene in your cell phone rings. Chett Olsen sent one 359 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: less text to the babysitter. The prosecutors say that annoyed 360 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: the man sitting behind him, retired police Captain Curtis Reeves. 361 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: Police say the two men started arguing, then stood up. 362 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: At that point, Olson threw corn at Reeves, Reeves pulled 363 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: his handgun, fired, and feel as Reeves was charged with 364 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: second degree murder. He's now claiming self defense. He was 365 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: hid in the face with an unknown object at that 366 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: point in time. He has every right to defend himself. 367 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: What Attorney Mark Eyeglarsh says that won't hold watch The 368 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: problem is that popcorn traditionally isn't recognized as a deadly weapon. Okay, 369 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: you are hearing not only Matt Gutman, our friend at ABC, 370 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: but also Attorney Richard Escobar and Mark Eyeglash. So I 371 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: guess I'm not understanding the facts, even though they've been 372 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: laid out in court. There's a lot of confusion over them, 373 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: Christy Missouri. Number one, did Olson just throw popcorn or 374 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: did he strike Reeves in the face in the dark 375 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: with a cell phone? Which one based on you know, 376 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: the Olson family testimony it was just popcorn, based on 377 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: Curtis Reeves and his family members glasses were rescued and 378 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: the cell phone was found on the ground. And the 379 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: Reeves family also argued they felt that Chad Olsen was 380 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: going to jump the chairs at Curtis reads that's what 381 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: eventually made him pull out his thirty caliber pisture. Have 382 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: you seen Chad Olson? Have you actually seen a picture 383 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: of him? Because right now I'm looking at him standing 384 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: by his wife, and in this picture, I swear he 385 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: looks like he's six foot seven. Have you seen the picture? Oh, 386 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: he's a big man, taller than that. He is a 387 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: big guy. Typically Now, anyway, there is surveillance video, security, 388 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: surveillance video, especially in cinemas. After the incident that John 389 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: Deal brought up in Aurora, the theater shooting in a 390 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: ror that claimed many many lives. And that wasn't it correct, 391 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: Christy missourik wasn't their video surveillance in this case as well. Yes, 392 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at WFTS well. This 393 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: new video shows how all this played out from multiple 394 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: cameras set up around the movie theater. Immediately after the shooting, 395 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: we see people run from theater ten pointing to someone 396 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: off screen. But before the shooting, before Chad Olson and 397 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: Curtis Reeves ever even met each other, we see Reeves 398 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: and his wife walk in after buying their tickets before 399 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: the shooting. We also see Reeves leave the theater and 400 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: go talk to an employee at the front desk. In court. Friday, 401 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: we saw this video for the first time when Olson 402 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: supposedly throws popcorner Reeves before Reeves pulls a gun and fires. 403 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: This new angle from a camera on the opposite side 404 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: of the theater shows people rushing to help Olson after 405 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: the shooting, while Reeves is seated next to an off 406 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: duty officer. We spoke to a legal expert about the 407 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: video this afternoon, specifically about that moment Reeves goes to 408 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: talk to that theater employee. We also see mister Reeves 409 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: come out of the theater. We see him approach the 410 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: man who is at the service desk, and it would 411 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: appear that the man at the service desk, although we 412 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: had a conversation with him, took no action as a 413 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: result of mister Reeves coming out to see him. And 414 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: it's very clear mister Reeves is agitated. So you know, 415 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: I was missing right there, Greg Smith, any visual Olson 416 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: hitting Reeves in the face with a cell phone or 417 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: hitting him at all, I didn't hear that. I didn't either. 418 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: And there's so many things that consider here. I mean, 419 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: you're in a movie theater. It's dark already because they've 420 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: already started running something on the screen. You have two 421 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: people with a confrontation with the person that at least 422 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: fired the weapon is facing the screen, so his view 423 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: of what's in front of him could be distorted changed 424 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: just because of the backlighting. I mean, it's it's a 425 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: weird environment to be in to have a firefight, not 426 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: that it's uncommon for firefights to occur in weird situations. 427 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: And what you see and what you perceive are the 428 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: things that the court looks at in those situations. So 429 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: it's it's difficult to make a judgment call here on 430 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: what really happened because we really don't have the evidence 431 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: to see what really happened. And as so many other 432 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: the panelists who said there, you know a cell phone 433 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: can cause a lot of damage. This is a big guy. Um, 434 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: maybe it was just a simple he threw his popcorn 435 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: at him and he overreacted. We just don't know, um, 436 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: And so it's very, very difficult. You know, I'd love 437 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: to see like a frame by frame of the security 438 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: video that you know, it might provide I'm sure they 439 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: did that in court, but it might provide some information. 440 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: John W. Dal, how difficult is it to enhance the 441 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: video of this nature. It's not. It's not as difficult 442 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: as he used to be, certainly with all the digitals, 443 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: it being a little bit more dark, maybe difficult. Um, 444 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: you know, I think what it really comes down to 445 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: is just mister Read saying that he believed he was 446 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: in danger seems to be the defense. Well, just because 447 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: you think you're in danger. I mean it goes back 448 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: to the theory in law school of the eggshell head. 449 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: Some people have more propensity to, let's just say, crack 450 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: their skull. That's true, but that doesn't mean it's reasonable 451 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: to believe if you fall down, you're gonna fracture your skull. 452 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I could claim right now I mean fear 453 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: that Jackie's gonna jump over the electronics board and shoot 454 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: me in the head. But is that reasonable? Is that real? True? Okay, 455 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: then we have, of course, let me just go ahead 456 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: and throw another wrench in this another wrinkle. Take a 457 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: listen to our cut. Six wfts years before Curtis Reeves 458 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: shot and killed Chattelson inside a movie theater, Edward Thompson 459 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: says he also had a confrontation with the retired police 460 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: captain in twenty fourteen. Thompson told ABC Action News he 461 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: and a woman were at the Zephyr Hills Theater talking 462 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: quietly in the back road during the previews. Reeves was 463 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: close by in the stat and it turns like this 464 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: and looks back towards us, and he says, why don't 465 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: you shut up? Thompson says he politely asked Reeves to 466 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: find another seat, but Reeves responded saying, this is my sheet, 467 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: and I said shut up. I talked to Thompson today. 468 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: He says he's watching the case closely. Even though he 469 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: moved to Iowa. He says no one has contacted him 470 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: about testifying. I wrote a letter to the safe Attorney 471 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: about a month ago and fully. Well, thanksgi me. It 472 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: s me twollow our notice and I'll be there and 473 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: murge up the back. Okay, I would say, Karen Start, 474 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: that's a reliable witness. You know why because in a witness, 475 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: I look for detail, any detail that was very detailed. 476 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: And also, this guy remembers Raves all these years later. 477 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: He's even moved to another state, he sees his singers. 478 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: That's the same guy. That sounds believable to me. It 479 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: tends believable to me too, especially Nancy, since he said 480 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: he's willing to go back, that they should contact him 481 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: and testify against the sky. So obviously he had an 482 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: experience that stuck in his mind because it was that outrageous. 483 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: The response was not pleased, be quiet. And you know 484 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: what else I think, Karen Start, I think sometimes you 485 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: feel powerless that you've got a bully bussing you, maybe 486 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: in front of your family in the theater. There's really 487 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: nothing you can do about it. That kind of sticks 488 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, I think you're right, Nancy, And I 489 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: think that, you know, humiliating because the person didn't say 490 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: please turn it off or speak nicely. He was a bullet, 491 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: just like you said. And then He's left with this 492 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: memory in his mind of some who just went out 493 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: of their way to frighten him in a movie theater 494 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: for no reason. Really, And as we hear him saying, 495 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: he heard nothing back from the state prosecutor. So I 496 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: guess the jury never heard about that. Well, that's not all. 497 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: I hope you're sitting down. I'll take a listen our 498 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: cut seven from WFTS. Also in twenty fourteen, ABC Action 499 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: News interviewed Michael and Jamira Dixon about an incident they 500 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: say happened just weeks before Reeves killed Olson. The Dixons 501 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: say at the same theater in Wesley Chapel. Reeves was 502 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: also barking at them about texting during the previews. He's like, 503 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: can you do me a favor? Can you please just 504 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: stop texting? Dixon says Reeves actually followed her out when 505 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: she went to the bathroom. I was like, oh my god, 506 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: what is wrong with this guy. After Reeves was arrested, 507 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: both Thompson and the Dixons told us they instantly recognized 508 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: him as the same man they had dealt with. All 509 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: of them have spoken with authorities in the past, but 510 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: it does not appear and he will be asked to 511 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: testify in the trial. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Also 512 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, ABC Action News interviewed Michael and Jamira 513 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: Dixon about an incident they say happened just weeks before 514 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: Reeves killed Olson. The Dixons say at the same theater 515 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: in Wesley Chapel. Reeves was also barking at them about 516 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: texting during the previews. He's like, can you do me 517 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: a favor? Can you please just stop texting? Dixon says 518 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: Reeves actually followed her out when she went to the bathroom. 519 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, what is wrong with 520 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: this guy. After Reeves was arrested, both Thompson and the 521 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: Dixons told us they instantly recognized him as the same 522 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: man they had dealt with. All of them have spoken 523 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: with authorities in the past, but it does not appear 524 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: and he will be asked to testify on the trial. 525 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: John Deal. That's what you call similar transactions, cases where 526 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: there may not have been an arrast or a conviction, 527 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: or maybe there was, and you use them at trial 528 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: to show remous method of operation, modus operandi, frame of 529 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: my course of conduct. And here we see the same 530 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: thing happening, not just once before, but twice before that 531 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: we can verify absolutely. I mean it's called you know, 532 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: in Florida Williams rural evidence or in the federal system 533 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: four full be evidence. But it's exactly the type of 534 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: evidence that would Rebut this thing I would say to 535 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 1: fear with from my life. It almost looks like this gentleman, 536 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: based on those folks, was kind of looking for a fight, 537 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: you know, maybe wanting some reaction certainly, which tend to 538 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: show that this wasn't just an innocent man just sitting 539 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: there attack the popcorn. Suddenly that there's probably something else 540 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: operating going on, and being has a gun with them. 541 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: That would be key evidence. I would think. Maybe people 542 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: questioning the testimony of Olsen's wife, Nicole, but listen to 543 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: what she had to say. This is our cut to wfts, 544 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: her voice shaky, the emotion almost instantly pouring out. Nicole 545 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: Olson spoke for just about two minutes, seated right here 546 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: at this conference table, as her left arm was bandaged 547 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: in a soft pink cast. Remember she was shot too, 548 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: she says, trying to shield her husband from the gunfire. 549 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: Listen es Nicole takes us back to that afternoon when 550 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: she says an argument over texting escalated to her husband 551 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: being shot to death. Me and my husband didn't get 552 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: a date night very often, much less the whole day 553 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: to spend together. So I was just so excited and 554 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: looking forward to spending a day with the love of 555 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: my life, you know, at a place of entertainment, family entertainment. 556 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: And just to think that, in the blink of an eye, 557 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: my whole world just got shattered into a million pieces. 558 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: And now I'm left trying to pick them up and 559 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: put them all back together. And it's so hard and 560 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: it's so unbearable. But I want to thank you all. 561 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: And Nicole went on to tell us her focus now 562 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: will remain on her young daughter, alexis a girl too 563 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: young to understand why her father is now gone. Now, 564 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: what you're hearing is typically something lawyers tell their clients 565 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: not to do. That was Nicole Olsen speaking just a 566 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: week or so right after the shooting. You don't normally 567 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: want a witness to do that because even if they 568 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: get one fact wrong or they leave something out that 569 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: will be used against them at trial and cross examination, 570 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: as if they're making up the story, you're adding to 571 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: it or changing it. But the emotion in her voice 572 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: seems very real. To doctor Kennel Crown's what does this 573 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: sound like happen to the wife, Nicole Olson's hand, It 574 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: sounds like she was trying to either she had her 575 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: hand on her husband's chot for whatever reason, and the 576 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: bullet passed through one of her fingers, so potentially she 577 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: could have lost the finger. It could have been severed off. 578 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: But it sound like she had extensive tissue damage and 579 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: probably must feel scalable damage to her hand or a finger. 580 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: That pain must have been intense, But she says she 581 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: immediately ran to her husband, who was obviously in much 582 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: worse shape than she was. Doctor Kendall Crowns is there 583 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 1: are a lot of arteries on the body which if 584 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: severed or punctured you'll die. You've got, of course, the 585 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: carotid artery, you have the femoral artery in your leg. 586 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: What I guess you're risked what other major vein would 587 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: cause a bleed out immediately, even if it's for instance, 588 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: in the arm or the leg. Arm or leg, you 589 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: can get the radial artery in the arm, and her 590 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: own artery in the arm can cause a lot of 591 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: loss of blood. In a quick fashion. Where is that 592 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: on your arm? The older or the radial, It would 593 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,760 Speaker 1: be kind of in here four arm, near the crease 594 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: of your elbow going down. Okay, the leg. There's also 595 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: the pumplteel artery, which is behind your knee path or 596 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: behind your knee. Basically it's a fairly good sized artery 597 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: that you're going to bleed out from that as rapidly 598 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: as like your fmoral artery, and it's still going to 599 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: be a major bleeder. Where's the phameral on your leg? 600 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: Inter side? Interside? Okay? And I was just thinking about 601 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: the wife Nicole being shot and how many people think, oh, 602 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 1: well that's a minor. It's not really always a minor. 603 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: When you get shot on an appendance, you can actually 604 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: bleed out very quickly with some of the arteries that 605 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns was describing. So regarding the enhancement of 606 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: the videotape, you're hearing, first of all, Nicole Olson describing 607 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: a very very emotional time after her husband is shot 608 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: down in a movie theater. But what does the hard 609 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: evidence show? Take a listen to cut three wfts when 610 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: that tape was played, the lights in a quarter room 611 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: where turned down. We looked over to Curtis Reeves and 612 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: saw that he was in fact watching this tape. We 613 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: spoke to our legal expert, an expert about the tape 614 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: on what he saw when he watched it. At first glance, 615 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: the camera inside theater ten seems to show empty seats, 616 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: but look close toward the bottom right, you can see 617 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: an interaction between two men, Curtis Reeves and Chad Olson. 618 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: The defense says Olson first threw his cell phone at Reeves. 619 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: They played this looped video in court and say the 620 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: small flash of light is the phone. Moments later, the 621 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: confrontation turned deadly. We asked our legal expert, Jeff Schwartz, 622 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,720 Speaker 1: what he saw when he watched the video. Mister Olsen 623 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,760 Speaker 1: gets up, reaches across his seat, grabs mister Reeves's popcorn, 624 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: and throws his own popcorn at him, and almost instantaneously, 625 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 1: mister Reeves pulls his gun and fires. Wow. So you 626 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: do see the throwing of the cell phone, but throwing 627 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 1: the cell phone is not hitting him or beating him 628 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: in the face with the cell phone. All of these 629 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: questions played over and over in the minds of the jurors, 630 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 1: and it culminates, take a listen to our cuts sixteen, 631 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: did please publish the verding in the courts of the 632 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: sixth Judicial Circuit in and four of Pascoe County, Florida, 633 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: State of Florida versus Curtis Judson Reeves, Count one murder 634 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: in the second degree verdict. We the jury finds, as follows, 635 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 1: the defendant is not guilty. So say we all this 636 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: twenty fifth day of February twenty twenty two. Juror number 637 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 1: two four person, count two aggravated battery verdict. We the 638 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: jury finds, as follows, the defendant is not guilty. So 639 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: say we all this twenty fifth day of February twenty 640 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:06,720 Speaker 1: twenty two, journ Number two for a person not guilty. 641 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: That not guilty has reverberated across the state. What about it? 642 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: Christie Mazurik, Well, though the judge in this trial really 643 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: pushed back against the stand your ground defense, and now 644 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: gun control activists are starting to band together as we speak, Nancy, 645 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,879 Speaker 1: to try to repeal stand your ground laws, not only 646 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: in Florida, but the over thirty of them within the 647 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: US that are on the books. We wait as just 648 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: as unfolds, but for the family of Chad and Nicole Olson. 649 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: That is the end. There is no way to appeal 650 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,760 Speaker 1: an acquittal. Goodbye friend,