1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Check. All right, Thomas, how are we looking? Y'all? Good? 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: I like this? You like this? Combination is a good combination. 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: This is I never said this is good combination. I 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: like you. I appreciate it, all right, Uh, ROMI Radio, Yeah, 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna bring us back? Yeah yeah, yeah, all right, bro, 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: let's do it. Thank y'all for tuning in. Um Peanut 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: Tillman And this is the NFL Player's Second Acts podcast, 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: and today my co host Roman Barbara Walter's Harberg. What's up? 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: What's up? Wrong? What's up? Thank you? Um. I don't 10 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: know why I'm Barbara Walters today, but because you look 11 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: older than me, that's why. I mean, if you're gonna 12 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: call me somebody, I'm much rather be the one lady 13 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: that got locked up. Oh, she'd be with Snoop all 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, Martha Stewart, that's it. Yeah, let me 15 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: be Martha Stewart. You're gonna be who you gonna be. Oh, 16 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm Oprah. But Mark Stewart's not a journalist. Though Barbara 17 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: Walters is a journalist, Mark Steward doesn't do that. This 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: is my podcast too, So I'm gonna be Markeda and 19 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna be Oprah today. Let's let's let's do it. 20 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 1: Let's do it right now. We got a special guest. Uh. 21 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: This guy played fifteen years in the NFL, five time 22 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: Pro Bowler, he was an All Pro two thousand and 23 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: two Watch Paid Man of the Year winner. Right now, 24 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: he's the executive vice president of Football Operations. Mister Troy Vincent, 25 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. What's up are Yeah? So, man, 26 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: when I when I when I grow up, I want 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: to I want to be just like you. I'm just 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that. I'm I'm real thrilled to have you, 29 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: to have you on this show, because I think you 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: are the embodiment of what we talk about when we 31 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: talk about, you know, your second act, of what you're 32 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: gonna do post you know, post football, and what you've 33 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: done in a short period of time has been truly 34 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: amazing to watch and see. Well, it doesn't feel like 35 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: it's been a short period of time. I lost my hair. 36 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: You see him now in bald Well. We're gonna talk. 37 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that. We got something for the 38 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: hair again. We always started to show off with one 39 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: of the main questions, and for me, I knew it 40 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: was time to hang up my cleats, even though I 41 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: didn't want to play the game torment acl when I 42 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: was what thirty six years old? So at that point 43 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: in time, yeah, chances are no one's going to pick 44 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: up an old corner. We played the same position. So 45 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: when did you officially know it was time to hang 46 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: up your cleats and retire? Probably year eleven? Okay, yeah, 47 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: year eleven, I knew that. I was kind of my 48 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: seventh season now in Philly. I was told by both 49 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: Phenius Williams and Hardy Nickerson at a Christian retreat. We 50 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: were just talking about transition and and Reggie White, and 51 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: they were sharing with me like when do you know? 52 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: They asked that same question, when when would you know? 53 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: And Hardy was the first to jump out there, you 54 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: you understand or you know when it's your time when 55 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: you don't want to do the things that you love 56 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: doing before and he gave the illustration. You know, Hardy 57 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: used to bring it and he loved contact. Well. I 58 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: was that same way. The things that I used to do, 59 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: the things that I was known for, I just I 60 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: didn't want I just I wasn't loving that every single day, right, 61 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: And that was around year eleven, and then we had 62 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: some young guys in Philly that was they were about 63 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: to just explode. But I knew it was about that time, 64 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: and I could buy a few more years, so to say, 65 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: just based off of what I had did previously. But 66 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: year no question, year eleven when I knew, you know what, 67 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: it's really about that time for me, that that expiration 68 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: date on my body, I felt it. You know you're 69 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: talking about that because you played fifteen, right, so you're 70 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: still bought some time. Like you spoke on and I've 71 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: listened to some of your other podcast, Troy, that you've 72 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: done comes just piggyback on what Pete Nutt said earlier. Man, 73 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,799 Speaker 1: you are a living legend. You were on my wall 74 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: when I was growing up because you played dB. I 75 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: watched you growing up from your time and when you 76 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: first got into the league too, when you were a dominant, 77 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: truly dominant with Philly, going to Miami after that, continue 78 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: on prolonging your career. It's really special to watch and 79 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: also seeing you now post career, you truly are the 80 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: vision board or what every other NFL player says, this 81 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: is what it's supposed to look like. When you played 82 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: football for as long as you do and still be 83 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: able to take advantage of the time you're in and 84 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: then once you're done, continue to move on with that. 85 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: So I just want to make sure I gave you 86 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: your glory as well on that. But you talked about 87 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: when you had the young guys behind you, Lado, those 88 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: other guys behind you, they were never going to become 89 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: the players and the leaders and the stars that they 90 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: were going to be with you in that same position 91 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: that you, as long as you were in that locker room, 92 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: you were almost being a hindrance to their true growth 93 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: to who they were supposed to be because you may 94 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: be talking to that being a good teammate, a good 95 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: steward of the game, making sure that everybody continues to 96 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: pull back. You know, you reached back and pull forward 97 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: the way you were able to do that as example 98 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: as a player and now also in your position. Now, yes, sir, 99 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: and I would just say one thank you for the 100 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: kind words. But I was brought into the National Football 101 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: League when I was drafted by Miami. There were veterans 102 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: like John Offerdaal and in the back end there was 103 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: a gentleman by the name of J. B. Brown played 104 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: at Maryland that these individuals were the ones who kind 105 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: of shared with me. I had a chance to see 106 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: what leadership was, in particular around John Offerdall. He was 107 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: a middle linebacker for his number fifty six. He taught 108 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: me how to be a pro. And what is being 109 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: a pro showing up every day, you know, taking care 110 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: of your business, detailing your work, but being a student 111 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: of the game. Fast forward when I went to Philly, 112 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: Bobby Taylor was there, but I was Even though we 113 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: were only three years apart, I was still considered the veteran. Again, 114 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: fast forward maybe year six, I think maybe five or six, 115 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: you draft Leedo and Sheldon Brown and Dark was there. 116 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: Dark and I came to Philly together. You had Brian Westbrook, 117 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: but Dark. But I was the kind of the the 118 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: leader in the locker room. One, I was a PA rep. Two. 119 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: I had a good body of work on the field 120 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: where where the teammates respected you. These men were phenomenal leaders. 121 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: They were for good for the best football player ever 122 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: played with Brian Dawkins. But he didn't have to talk 123 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: why because if you wanted an answer, you had challenges 124 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: that you whether it was with the head coach, the coordinator, 125 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: front office, A Troy will handle it. But you you 126 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: were watching these young men, in particular Sheldon and Brian, 127 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: and that's Brian Westbrook as well, but DONK you saw 128 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: him growing, but you knew that you need to leave that, 129 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: and that's you need to leave so that these men 130 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: could be really truly what God has called them to be. 131 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: So it's kind of I think I did what I 132 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: needed to do there. Obviously fell short of a super Bowl, 133 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: won a lot of a lot of football games, championship games, 134 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: but it was time for these men to be who 135 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: God had called them to be in the locker room, 136 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: and that's exactly what happened. And went on to Buffalo. 137 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: And I sound hard for you to do, though, leaving them, no, sir, 138 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: And I mean that sincerely because I the game has 139 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: done more for me than I can ever do for it, 140 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: and my walk with Jesus Christ allows me to walk 141 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: into that meekness and understand this is not only good 142 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: for me, because selfishly, I could have stayed. I got 143 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,679 Speaker 1: the same contract offer in Philly to stay and close 144 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: out there that I did in Buffalo. But I don't 145 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: know if the story would have been the same with 146 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: Bryan was Sheldon with Leedo, with Westbrook and even McNabb. 147 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: So um, I didn't no no regrets, and it was 148 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: just all part of I felt like my body of 149 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: work and my DNA, but just leaning on faith. I 150 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: think one time you I saw you speak. It was 151 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: earlier in my career, and I think you might have 152 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: said you wanted to You might have wanted to have 153 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: an investment firm or financial firm or and I younger 154 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: my career, I took note. I still remember that to 155 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: this day. And I was like, man, he playing football, 156 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: he want to be a financial He wanted his own bank. Okay, okay, 157 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: he ons some he ons some other stuff. He on 158 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 1: a different level. What prepares you to to have that 159 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: type of mindset? How did you? How did you get 160 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: her first job? How did you get that first internship. 161 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: I've been very, very intentional from high school, Like football 162 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: was not who I was. Football was away for me 163 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: to get a free education. Yeah, come back home and 164 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: help my mom period. But I knew there wasn't gonna 165 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: be nine. Well, go ahead, and when you saw what 166 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: I saw in Trenton, New Jersey, I didn't want to 167 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: be what I saw right. I wanted no parts of that, 168 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: and then when I gave my life to crisis sixteen, 169 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: sport was just a mechanism for me to advance, to 170 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: accelerate in life. So I was always intentional every year 171 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: from year one to year fifteen, if there was a 172 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: program or resource that was available, either through the NFLPA, 173 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: through the league office, or the club, I was there, 174 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: hands up. And I was one of the last people 175 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: that the team was gonna cut. They was gonna keep 176 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: the quarterback, and now I know they were going to 177 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: keeping me based off of my contract and my performance. 178 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: But it was just I treat it every year as 179 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: an individual year, saying that I got to get through 180 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: this year. I don't know what the team's going to do. 181 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: And I never priced myself out of the market because 182 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: most of that, man, you really no. I did exactly 183 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: what I thought I should do because I never wanted 184 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: to go into a season where I could be a 185 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: cat casualty. Why to say that I'm the highest paid 186 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: at my position. I was always tag transition. I'm good 187 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: staying one through five, one through ten. Why because if 188 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: the season doesn't go right from a win lost standpoint, 189 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: you bring a new coach in who are they looking 190 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 1: at who making the money and how do I restructure 191 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: the people going to measure you. Well, he's making all 192 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: of his money and he's only performing at this level. 193 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: So that was my mentality every year was to perform. 194 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: I had known centives in my contracts because if you 195 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: were paying me the three and a half million dollars 196 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: big salary, four million dollars big salary, why are you 197 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: giving me an incentive to lead, lead the team and 198 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: pass breakups or interceptions. That's what you're paying me to 199 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: do or to play in this mini games. So my 200 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: mentality was just different. I don't want any extra, just 201 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: pay me for what I do on Sunday, Mondays and Thursdays. 202 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: It's just amazing that, I mean, your mentality. I wish 203 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: you would have been the veteran on my team early 204 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: in my career and maybe Jillion. You know, this is 205 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: really great. So this is something that me and Peanut 206 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: really love to really deep dive into a specially not 207 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: even on the podcast. Bless you excuse me, is that 208 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: after you retired, how did you handle your identity like 209 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: personally and publicly and like what was that new normal 210 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: like for you being tied to the nfls for as 211 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: long as you have been and now you're no longer 212 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: a player. We all kind of go through this, uh, 213 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: this sense of this feel of like almost lost at times. 214 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: I think it begins why you play and how you 215 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: represent yourself. I was representing the body of Christ, my 216 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: wife and my family. I happen to be an athlete. 217 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: So just managing that, and I would share that, share 218 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: that with any pro or any athlete. You have to 219 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: control who you are. I played the game. The game 220 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: is not you know, and I'm still to this particular 221 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: day and that new new normal that transition from time 222 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: to time I got. I have to debunk the myths 223 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: that are associated with an athlete. Yes, black athlete, So 224 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: all of those things and to this very day in 225 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: my position today as I raised my children. So but 226 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: you have to be intentional about it. And I was 227 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: very intentional about how I showed up from in the 228 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: locker room. Hey looking over, Nope, I don't do any 229 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: interviews when I had no clothes on them. And I 230 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: tell that, you know. It was just the little things, 231 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: how to engage with the media, being transparent, managing that brand, 232 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: your personal brand. Frankly, it allowed me to be in 233 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: a position am I'm in today. I'm not surprised because 234 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: all of the things that you and I learned as 235 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: you all were leaders on your team, all of those 236 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: are transferable skills that nobody told us in the c suite. 237 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: Everything that we learned about communication, resiliency, teamwork, communication, those 238 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: are intricate values that the game presents to each of 239 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: us that play, and they all transition over to the 240 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: corporate world. I know the game's done a lot for you, 241 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: but you've also done a lot for the game as 242 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: far as like helping players out in their second acts. 243 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: I know you brought them the NFL Business Management, the 244 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: broadcast boot Camp, and how recept of our current and 245 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,239 Speaker 1: former players of you in the NFL creating these programs. 246 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: I think they've been extremely recept I'm a product, yes, 247 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: YouTube And what makes me proud why people go, well, 248 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: why when I see individuals my colleagues like Peanut and Roman, 249 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: you all make me so proud and make us so 250 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: proud because this is who we really are, right like 251 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: you represent the best of who we are. But oftentimes 252 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: we get one or two examples and everyone gets painted 253 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: with that same brush. Yes, so my affinity and love. 254 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: As I always say, you can't lead the player if 255 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: you don't love them, and loving that means you take 256 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: the good to everything that comes with us, because we 257 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: can be a mess at times, but you can't lead 258 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: us if you don't love us. Right, So when I 259 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: watched and I read and I was mentored by, I 260 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: would feel like some of the the best, and then 261 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,359 Speaker 1: my pastors it was, Okay, why are we not succeeding? 262 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: Why aren't people giving us the opportunity. We finished college, 263 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: we play ball, our ball as our resume, but we 264 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: have all of these skills that most great leaders in 265 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: Fortune fifty Fortune five hundred companies had, but we're not 266 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: getting a shot. So as a player, I went to 267 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: the University of Penn. We talked to the mid nineties 268 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: to say, how do we create programs that will allow 269 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: players to get an introduction into things that they want 270 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: to do or have interest in post their playing experience, 271 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: and this is why you're playing nineteen ninety six, Yes, 272 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: every Tuesday, every Friday. That's where I spent my time 273 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: on campus, meeting with the professors, saying we have players 274 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: that want to get in real estate. They don't have 275 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: time to go back to school. Can we do certificate programs? 276 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: Can we do programs that will allow them the introduction 277 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: into these businesses. So broadcast all of the all of 278 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: the boot camps, all of those things were created back 279 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: in the mid nineties, and they have year after year 280 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: broadcast boot camp, all of those things, the Harvard programs, Northwestern. 281 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: It was so that the player had an opportunity when 282 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: he took the helmet off, whether it's him, his spouse, 283 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: his partner, to go back and learn some of the 284 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: things that are important if you wanted to get into 285 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: this business. Right. I didn't even know you were doing 286 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: that while you're playing. The fact that you made time. 287 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: This is unbelievable that you're sharing all this with me 288 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: because I don't think most people know this. We know, Troy, 289 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: you gotta understand most of us. The first time we 290 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: ever meet you is when you're doing that media training 291 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: when we first get in, and the one thing that 292 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: you say that always stands out is what you just 293 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,239 Speaker 1: said earlier, is that, hey, the media is an outlet 294 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: to your brand, that you must work with them. It's 295 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: the way you tell your own story and working with 296 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: the media that's a first introduction, most players get to 297 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,479 Speaker 1: who Troy Evince. It is so Roman when you say that. 298 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: Remember we all come into the league where they say, hey, 299 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: what does the NFL stand for? No? No, no, no, no, 300 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna flip that, right. Yeah, the NFL means notice 301 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: for life when you do things right. Ah see see 302 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm using yea. And we need to be sharing. Yeah, 303 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: we have to if we do just a little things right. 304 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: You don't have to be a star. Yeah. People that 305 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: we come in contact with from a media standpoint, business standpoint, 306 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: partnership standpoint, people standpoint, we actually are put on notice 307 00:17:55,359 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: for life if we just treat people right. Yeah, but 308 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: we always lean to oh it means not for long, 309 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: not for long, No, we're gonna flip that, or the 310 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: no fun league. Yeah, and you probably hit on this 311 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: a lot and you but I want to know from 312 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: your perspective, because this is some of your terms that 313 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: you that I've heard and read that you use. Is 314 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: that what is a servant leader and what does that 315 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: mean to you? So a servant leader is someone who 316 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: is I serve. I'm using the term I I serve 317 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: those who are really leading, even though I may have 318 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: the title structurally. But I'm a servant leader. I want 319 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: to address what you want to do. I want to 320 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: serve you because when you went, I went. So that 321 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: servant leadership is being selfishness. I mean, just my ego. 322 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: I'm okay, and I use this now in my management style. 323 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: This goes to that servant leadership. I always say, no 324 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: author of ownership. I don't need my name to be 325 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: on the paper. I don't need to be the person 326 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: that's at the podium speaking. Allow me to serve you 327 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: and the world and the team and everybody wins. Were 328 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: you always like that? No, not always, No, sir, No, sir, Peanut. 329 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: At the age twenty one, you couldn't tell me nothing, 330 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: and if something happened, I wanted to make sure I 331 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: got my credit. Today it's not about credit, and Peanut, 332 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: I was so ready for transition at any time, So 333 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: I don't take anything for granted. I don't know if 334 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: you can see in the background my bookcase. Yeah, when 335 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: that bookcase have books, so that the next leader who 336 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: is going to occupy this seat, whether that happens, they 337 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: want to make a change tomorrow or next week. When 338 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: I pick up my book back and leave tonight I 339 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: don't own any of these things, but people have to. 340 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: They can go right to the book and see my 341 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: notes from yesterday on the topic of football. Yeah. So 342 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: I'm updating these things every day so that transition is 343 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: smooth coninuity. Yeah, that's right, so someone can take what 344 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: has been created and take it forward. Rumors and speculations. 345 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: And you went from player engagement to being the VP 346 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: of football. Ops. Do you want to be commissioner? No, 347 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: you don't want the job at all. Right now, I 348 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 1: served the commissioner and I served the game. I see 349 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: here you say that you serve the commissioner. That's really 350 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: That takes a lot, a lot of self I don't 351 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: want anybody to get it twisted. Yeah, I am owning 352 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: my space today. Yeah, and I get asked that question 353 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: off today, I serve Commissioner Roger Goodell, and I'm waiting 354 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: for my wife to tell me when it's time to 355 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: come home so we can go back in the community 356 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: and continue serving the community. But I get asked, I 357 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: see what he goes through. I'm good right where I'm at. Yeah, 358 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: I love get Maybe I want to get your job, 359 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: and yeah, that might be a good one. I'm gonna 360 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: be past and then I take your job. Well, you 361 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: can serve me. No, I do that anyways, Peanut, I 362 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: do that anyways. You know that. So so Troy. Number 363 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: two things we got to get accomplished from this this 364 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: whole thing. Number One, we're gonna get Peanut a job, 365 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: all right, that's number one. We're gonna get somehow another 366 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: we're gonna work Peanut into this job. And then number 367 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: two is we gotta know because for you to start 368 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: off on the players side, now to go to the 369 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: NFL side, and as players, we all know who Troy 370 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: vented this. We have all this like this love, this 371 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: understanding of how you great, how great you are, and 372 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: how much you've really improved the NFL side of it, 373 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: Like the NFL is in a much better place since 374 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: you've crossed over. Are you ever going to be able 375 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 1: to come back and roum my position there is? I 376 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: never left the game. Yeah, I wore one uniform. I 377 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: served as a as a I never was an employee 378 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: of the players in the associal but I served in 379 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: the leadership role. Today. I served the game and my 380 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: uniform may be a different color, but the mission is 381 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, it is ensuring that NFL football is 382 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: the best and the most competitive sport in the world 383 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: by serving the game as you the player. So it's 384 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: never changed my mentality. So it wasn't a crossover to me. 385 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: Hey listen, I ran for the executive director's position, lost, 386 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: didn't get the position. I didn't go. I just hey, 387 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: at that particular time, God said no, yeah, at door closed. 388 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: But my passion for the game itself and the players, 389 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: past president of future will never change. That's that's what's up. Well, 390 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna hold those thoughts because right now we got 391 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: to pay a couple of bills. Say, all states to 392 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: gotta pay these bills. Boss. So Troy, I know Tracy 393 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: her offense TP, her office is uh right around a 394 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: quartum TP, Trace Perman, great friend of mine. I text 395 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: TP constantly about the rules. I am texting, I am 396 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: tweeting the NFL, the reference the officials. I talked to Rome, 397 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: I talked to all my boys about the rules. How 398 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: do you deal with the constant criticism with with your 399 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: jobs as it pertains to like rules and stuff. How 400 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: does how do you deal with that? Well, one you 401 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: have to really that's part of it. Just like a 402 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: player you gotta take ye good with the good, you 403 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: take the not so good when it's not so good, right, 404 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: you just have to stay stay even killed okay with 405 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: and I get asked the question, if there's one thing 406 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: that you would do, what would you change with the league? 407 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: Continue reducing that rule book. I think that the rule 408 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: book because it's you're talking about one hundred and eighty 409 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: plus pages of rules, and it's really complex. And if 410 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: it's if it's complex to the player and sometimes the coach, 411 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: it could be really complex to the fan. I still 412 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: don't know all the rules for the game correct. And 413 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: that's so reducing that where just the average Joe, the 414 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: average Mary could just say, oh, I understand that, but 415 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: I would say this, And this is one of the 416 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,959 Speaker 1: things that I've learned just over the last six years. 417 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: The official that is the common enemy. I'm gonna repeat that, 418 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: the official has become the common enemy. I was just 419 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: sharing this with Coach Fuel who heads our officiating department, 420 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: him and Walter Anderson. Just yesterday. I said, at the 421 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: end of the year, one of the things that we 422 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: have to make sure and we have the data to 423 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: support it in the video, to support this, the gamesmanship 424 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: at our level today is something that I've never ever 425 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: seen before. The gamesmanship that goals on in strategy. Oh yeah, 426 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: where you think that, you know, like the deception that 427 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: is created. Not only are you trying to trick your opponent, 428 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: guess who else you're trying to confuse that you're confusing. 429 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: You've been in the rules as much as you can 430 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: the moment. We do not talk about that enough. And 431 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: literally I said, okay, I did that for eight years 432 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,959 Speaker 1: of my fifteen I did the officiating reporting. It's not 433 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: because I I was a big fan of the umpire 434 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 1: or the back judge or the side judge. I was 435 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: giving my teammates its indication of this is what you 436 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: can get away with with this crew or with this 437 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: side judge. And we all know after the second series, 438 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: we know how we're gonna play this game today. Yes, 439 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: because you know what they call them, what they ain't 440 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: gonna call exactly. Yeah, So I think that's so important 441 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: that you're up they're telling these guys that because so 442 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: when I got to New Orleans, Sean Payton, I'm sure 443 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: he learned it from Philly being with you guys and 444 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: around that whole Andy and everybody else that the officials 445 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: report is big when you know what official group likes 446 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: to call holdings really prevalent this week, hey, passing inference 447 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: this week, they're lasting, lasting the league and personal foalcohol, 448 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: So they're gonna let you live a little bit. So 449 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: like these things, and referees have personalities just like players. 450 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that is so important. And everybody right now 451 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: is really on the roughing the passage. And I know, 452 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: I know. The thing about you guys in the NFL 453 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: that makes it so good and so hard to argue 454 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: against is that you guys got the stats and numbers 455 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: to back it up. Yes, right, No, Dad, he said, Daddy, 456 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: He didn't say sets. We've got the data. D all right. 457 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: So and I want to share this and this is 458 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: not for you, Troy, because you know this, but I 459 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: want to share it to the people and the listeners. 460 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: Is that everybody's complaining about the from the pastor calls 461 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: the one that happened with Grady Jared Old Brady, the 462 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: one that happened. It's been a few this year that's 463 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: been quite questionable at times to say, really Jones in 464 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: the Grady Jared Ones, the ones that is kind of 465 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: really really really elevated it right. So in two thousan 466 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: eighteen through week six we had fifty three rough from 467 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: the pastors. In two thou nineteen you had fifty nine, 468 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: and two thousand and twenty through six weeks you had 469 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: forty three. So trend in the down. In two thousand 470 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: and twenty two thousand and twenty one you are back 471 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: up to fifty two. And then in two thousand and 472 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: twenty two this year, through six weeks, you were all 473 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: the way down to thirty eight. So the behavior is changing. 474 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: So you guys are really affecting the game without really 475 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: affecting the game. And everybody complains about how soft it is, 476 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: but I want to use your word in your terms, 477 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: is that it's just the game is just different. It's 478 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: not soft, it's just different. To kind of go into 479 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: that and help us out, and I think this is 480 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: important for we all grew up in the air and 481 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: I used this term, it's a different game, it's a 482 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: safer game, it's a better game. I grew up in Trenton, 483 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: New Jersey and in Laura Bucks County, wanting to play 484 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: for Buddy Ryan. Buddy Ryan's defenses had the let's say 485 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: this aura or this reputation of putting people in the 486 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: body bag. That was the mentality. If you were coming 487 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: and wanting to play football, you were you just learn 488 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: the game with bad intentions. I fast forward knowing what 489 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: I know now, and I've always been on the player 490 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: protection in the health and safety. I'm looking at my 491 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: teammates and I'm seeing my teammates at forty five and 492 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: at fifty in conditions that they should not be in. Right, 493 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: So it makes me paulse and just say okay. And 494 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: as Willie Lanier said this to me maybe twelve years ago, Troy, 495 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: you can't allow our sport to become a blood sport. 496 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: We all want the same thing to perform, get our 497 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: ball on, make our paragraph five, go home with our 498 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: families in one piece. But when you will we allow 499 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: the game to go to that next level where it 500 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: becomes a blood sport and people are trying to take 501 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: each other's head off. That's not good for any of us. 502 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: And I use this which I typically never go in 503 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: this direction because it's really commercial. In two thousand and 504 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: twenty one, ninety one of the top one hundred TV 505 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: shows in America were NFL games. Why because they love 506 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: points they love the excitement when we look at from 507 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: the bottom, these young boys are getting it on. So 508 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: it's so true. And Peanut was, he was so he 509 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: was ready for this part of the interview, Like this 510 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: is what he's been geared up for. You know, you 511 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: know why all right, when they call illegal contact it's 512 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: five yards, it's not they're gonna get him a first 513 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: down because they want points. Like It's just all I'm 514 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: saying is just from a defensive standpoint, help us out. 515 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: I get ninety one of one hundred top shows. Can 516 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: we get a little bit of help on defense? I'm now, 517 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little biased. I'm talking to my defensive 518 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: players out there. I'm looking out for them. You said 519 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: you're looking out for your teammates. I'm looking out for 520 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: all defensive players in the NFL right now. I'm just 521 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: trying to make it. Just help us out a little bit. 522 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: And they hit If I hit a guy after five yards, 523 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: why is it an automatic five yard? Automatic first down? Five? 524 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: Just this moved me four or five yards. You know 525 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Why I just help us, help us, 526 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: help us out defensively, help us out in that department. 527 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: I get points. I get People want to see points 528 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: on the board. People say it's a boring game when 529 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: the score is ten to three, I think the defenses 530 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: are balling. I think that's a slapp in the face 531 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: on us. Many of us would agree with that. We 532 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: can't have a good defensive matchup. How come it can't 533 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: be two defensive coordinators just going out of like, man, 534 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: these guys are playing chess. That means the defenses are 535 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: playing amazing. I hate forty five to thirty three? Where's 536 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: your defense at? But I get it. It's it's a 537 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: brand that's bad. Listen, this is what I would say 538 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: to this. I remember now, this is not the league office, 539 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: And don't be sitting here blaming trop I'm not. I'm 540 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: not blaming. I don't have a boat. You got thirty 541 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: You got thirty two member clubs. If you really want 542 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: to impact the game, here's one I think you can appreciate. Okay, 543 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: tell me why I pass interference? Is this spot foul? 544 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: Why don't you just make that like college? For sure? Yeah? 545 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: Yeah them? Fifty yard penalties are huge. You don't recover 546 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: from it. And what you typically when you get that 547 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: forty to fifty yard penalty? The next play, he can 548 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: kick a pa I mean a field He's already field 549 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: goal arrange. But what when those teams are in that 550 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: red zone area the percentage of them scoring, it's do 551 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: the roof. Yeah, so hey, we really want to change things. 552 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: All membership has to do is hey, or the coaches 553 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: make PI a yardage a yardage. I've been saying that 554 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,719 Speaker 1: for a while though, I'm keeping that. I'm all for that. 555 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: So so, Troy, I got one real thing. Um, this 556 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: is the only thing I'm on my soapbox about. And 557 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: this is just that, you know, as a former safety, 558 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: having to set the edge and you did too. I 559 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: mean the fact that I can't just take the old 560 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: lineman's knees out anymore and now I gotta take him 561 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: up high I'm doing. I'm just saying that one roman 562 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: I was and hey, for transparency, I'm on u alls 563 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: pot on the podcast here in my second act. That 564 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: was one that That's what I'm not proud, Okay, I 565 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: appreciate that of what I did. I got six trophies. 566 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: I'm not proud of those six trophies. And people go, 567 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: what do you mean? Six people are not didn't play 568 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: because of what I did to them coming off of 569 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: that edge. They never returned back to the field. So 570 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: why people go, well, how does the big block a little? 571 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: I know, if I get the top of my helmet 572 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: or the side of my helmet, if I hit that 573 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: right spot on that knee, he's is over. Those are 574 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: the kind of things like things like cut block, chop block, 575 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: blind those things were like think about even the term itself. 576 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: We grew up in an era where a blind side 577 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: block Peanut used to used to, you know, help out 578 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: your teammates during the week with with with restaurant gift 579 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: cards when you got big hits, big tackles inside. I mean, hey, 580 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: think about that we talk offline when we now somebody 581 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 1: you declease somebody. Yeah, it's just a different I can't 582 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: go to a parent today and ask their kids, hey, 583 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: your kids should be participating in football. Yeah, it's how 584 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: to understand that. It's such a it's such a unique 585 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: situation to be in too, because Troy, what you're saying 586 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: is not you're not wrong, but like we grew up 587 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 1: with this different mentality. Look, I played for junior Buddy 588 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: Ryan and Greg Williams, and it was like that was 589 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: the mentality you're saying, because I played for him too, 590 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: that was it? What did he used to tell you? 591 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: If you cut the what? Oh? If you if you 592 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: if you kill the head, the body would die. That 593 00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: was That's what you did. That's not right. Because we 594 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: know better, the Bible tells us. Because I read that, 595 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 1: I'm now held responsible for his work. Yes, yeah, because 596 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: we know better today, gentlemen. Again, it's not man, Tita 597 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: got No, I'm not getting sod. But I got kids 598 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: and I got grandkids. I'm speaking to millions of parents, yep, 599 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: about their children participating in the sport that we love. Yes, 600 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: I get that question comes up all the time. I 601 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: respect this, I like it. I like that. Yeah. And 602 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: to change your view, peanut, I want to hear it 603 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: a little bit. You change it a little bit, you 604 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: change My wife won't even she doesn't want my son 605 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: to play football until later. And also because football is 606 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: a sport that you can pick up later in life 607 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: and still be great at it. Understand, you were a 608 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: great example that yourself, Troy. You were mostly a basketball player, 609 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: track guy up until you got what was that Pennsbury 610 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: High School? Right having twelfth grade? Yep, until you were 611 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 1: later you were all about being baby MJ Michael Jordan. 612 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: So you cut your hairball back in the day. Now 613 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: you have to cut your hairball. So you know at 614 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: the time you made these things happen, and just maybe 615 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: speak on just you know, finishing us off. You're kind 616 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: of getting us ready up out here. Is that as 617 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: you go back to these high schools and have these 618 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: conversations with these young moms dads about their family and 619 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: their children participating in the sport that we love, you 620 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: have to lean on the health aspect of it first. 621 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: And I know you really light up when you talk 622 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: about the health and safety and all the things that 623 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: you guys, just strikes that you've made in football roll 624 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 1: it's a non starter if I don't. Yeah, it's where 625 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: they want to begin the conversation, and then it allows 626 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: it sets the stage for me to talk about all 627 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,439 Speaker 1: of the things that the game provides, whether they play 628 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: professional football, go to college. But the strides that have 629 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: been made from return to play. We just suggested the 630 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: concussion protocols, just the advancements in metal, the advancements in equipment. 631 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: Today we can talk, we can be on the offense 632 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: talking about where our game has evolved from a health 633 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: and safety standpoint, player protection. Twelve years ago, we were defended. 634 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we were backpedaling. We didn't have any answers. 635 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: But I just think the evolution of the game the 636 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 1: athlete today bigger, faster, stronger, and now with flag. If 637 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: I can just a little let me get put that 638 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: little plug in. I talk about the future of football 639 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: is flag. I didn't say the future of professional football. 640 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,919 Speaker 1: But when we think about flag football and football being 641 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: for all, it literally is it takes down all of 642 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: the barriers that other sports and our sport currently used 643 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 1: to have with gender, race, class, disability. Flag football there's 644 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,720 Speaker 1: a position in a place for everyone. Oh yeah, I'm 645 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: with that room. I think we should definitely get on 646 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: a get a pro football flag team, and we can 647 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: get it together. I think we can. Until somebody pull 648 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: a hand or do something crazy. It sounds great like 649 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: it does on paper, It sounds great. We should get 650 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: a Legends flag team. My old coaches and I'm like, bro, 651 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: that sounds great on the white board, coach, But yeah, yeah, 652 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: until we got to get out here and run it. 653 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: I'm feeling you. But Troy, we appreciate you, man, Thank 654 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: you for coming out on the show. This was fun. 655 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: If you're getting good, I'm so proud of you all. 656 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: Thank you keep doing what you do. Thanks Troy, Man. 657 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Man. You really not only informed us, you 658 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: really blessed us with your time, your knowledge, your experience. 659 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: And I hope the listeners got all that too. Man. 660 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: This guy is amazing and I would tell anybody to 661 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: anytime you can spend any type of quality time and 662 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: sit down and listen to anything Troy Vincent has to say, 663 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: you better try and do it. It's well worth your 664 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,839 Speaker 1: time and your experience. Thank you, man, and I want 665 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 1: to also thank all the listeners for tuning in. 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