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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, Welcome back to Killers amongst Us,

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. To the world

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Speaker 1: around them. David and Belinda Temple were the Golden couple.

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Speaker 1: It seems like it's a picture perfect life. So it's

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Speaker 1: not long until they discover they're going to have a

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Speaker 1: baby to really complete that perfect picture. It wasn't long

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Speaker 1: after that that she finds out she's pregnant again. But

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Speaker 1: for Belinda, it was bittersweet when David tells Belinda he's

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Speaker 1: not sure if he still loves her, She's completely devastated.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nitzy Grace and this is Killers amongst Us. I'm

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Speaker 1: Nitzy Grace, Killers amongst Us. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: You know. Joining me right now is or now. Defense attorney,

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Speaker 1: family law specialist Randall Kessler, forensics expert, Professor Forensics at

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, an author of Blood Beneath My Feet

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Speaker 1: on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, forensic psychiatrist, Joining me out

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Speaker 1: of the Florida jurisdiction doctor Daniel Bober But right now

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Speaker 1: I'm want to go to Katie Times owner in Katie, Texas,

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Speaker 1: Brandy Kelcini with me. It seemed like a dream, the

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Speaker 1: perfect job, a beautiful wife, a baby boy, a happy home.

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Speaker 1: Blenda Temple then finds out she's pregnant with a baby girl,

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Speaker 1: and things seem to be on the right track. But

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Speaker 1: when David tells Belinda he's not sure if he still

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Speaker 1: loves her, she's completely devastating. But then the very next day,

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Speaker 1: David's mood changes. Suddenly he needs new life into the marriage.

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Speaker 1: David came up behind Belinda, wrapped his arms around her,

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Speaker 1: and said, I do love. To Randy Kessler, a renowned

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Speaker 1: family law specialist, why is it that so often people

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Speaker 1: think having a baby can fix the marriage? Man, that

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Speaker 1: is a great question. And you know, if you already

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Speaker 1: have problems, then maybe you shouldn't have children. You know,

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Speaker 1: having children doesn't fix problems, it, you know, I mean

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Speaker 1: we all know it makes life harder. You got more complications.

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Speaker 1: But it's just a terrible thing. Kids don't fix marriages.

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Speaker 1: Marriages and people helped kids. I mean, they're not a solution,

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Speaker 1: They're not a problem. So over their gift to Joseph

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, and you

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Speaker 1: have investigated literally thousands of death scenes. But I guarantee

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Speaker 1: you if you went home and told your beautiful wife

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Speaker 1: sure I would be investigating the crime scene myself. Yeah

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Speaker 1: you would. You'd probably have to dislodge the act. It

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Speaker 1: will be buried in the back of my skull, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: you'd be correct in that. Nancy, Well, it's not just

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Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bober getting your feelings hurt that somebody may

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Speaker 1: not love you. It's it's not just about love. It's

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Speaker 1: not just about romance. By the time you're married and

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Speaker 1: my case, two children at once, you are side by side,

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Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder, creating something bigger than yourself, a family.

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Speaker 1: And love is really not about flowers and a box

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Speaker 1: of chilcolated and romantic getaways. In my mind, it's about

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Speaker 1: someone you can rely on that will be there for

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Speaker 1: you and with you. I mean, look, you know, when

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Speaker 1: you're having your special latte at Starbucks in the morning

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Speaker 1: with a little twist of sentiment or whatever it is

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Speaker 1: you have Bober at quarter of seven, I'm cleaning the

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Speaker 1: And you know what, you know who's there to help me,

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Speaker 1: David Lynch. He is there when the Shi two hits

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Speaker 1: the fan, he is there. And in my mind, that's

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Speaker 1: somebody what I call a real man that steps up

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Speaker 1: to the play and will hit a home run when necessary.

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Speaker 1: For somebody to say, I don't know if I love you.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like high school. Talk to me like junior high.

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Speaker 1: If you love me, circle yes? If not, circle note,

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Speaker 1: silly to me and unrealistic. Doctor Bober, Yes, you're totally correct,

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Speaker 1: is about stability and reliability, and you know, knowing that

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Speaker 1: very difficult time for Belinda after Evan was born. She

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Speaker 1: I'm in big trouble. I am in big trouble. If

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Speaker 1: know it. David had complained about Belinda's weight in front

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Speaker 1: just terribly sad to hear all those girlfriends know that information.

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Speaker 1: To David, he didn't want a wife that had a

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Speaker 1: I'm in big trouble. You know what's interesting, You know,

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott, Morgan, Randy Kessler, doctor Bob or you all

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Speaker 1: David drifts further and further away from Belinda. He begins

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Speaker 1: He didn't put boundaries around his relationship. He wasn't a

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Speaker 1: Well that's because Nancy, you're in you know, a healthy,

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott. Can you even imagine your beautiful wife, she

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Speaker 1: and be successful. Now, I don't know what the broccoli

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Speaker 1: But the studies, the statistics are not lying. Randy. This

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Speaker 1: Belinda and David Temple was already in trouble. Many people

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