Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the
Speaker 1: Matrix Retrended. That one is courtesy of j M you
Speaker 1: sick one. Oh oh, I hope you're feeling all right,
Speaker 1: JMU sick one. I am Jack and I'm throw to
Speaker 1: be joined by special guest co host Andrew Dull.
Speaker 2: I didn't anything fun for this, That's okay. I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean uncharted territory.
Speaker 1: I don't know where trends. Yeah, yeah, first of all,
Speaker 1: thank you for sticking around for trends, and yeah, the trends.
Speaker 1: We we don't do fun stuff on trends. It's very
Speaker 1: business like buy the books.
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, fuck yeah, That's what I'm here for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't no songs. YEA took me a lot
Speaker 1: just to get up to pronounce your name, Andrew. You
Speaker 1: know usually that was like honestly fucking miles and I'm Jack.
Speaker 1: What else? What else? But yeah, thank you for the
Speaker 1: Matrix related aka sick oh sick one. Andrew, have you
Speaker 1: ever like wondered, like what if you're in the Matrix? Oh?
Speaker 2: Fuck bro, bro fuck brother. I could just tell I'm
Speaker 2: not in the matrix because I'm always like my relationship
Speaker 2: to technology doesn't ever get me to that kind of
Speaker 2: I'm just like I would know I was in the
Speaker 2: matrix because everything would be like fucking broken.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, your understanding of technology is such that.
Speaker 2: I'm just not rebooting all the time. I would know
Speaker 2: I was in the matrix if I was rebooting all
Speaker 2: the time, and I'm not. Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 1: Well, Andrew. The Arizona Supreme Court has made the same
Speaker 1: mistake as Back to the Future three, and they took
Speaker 1: it too far back and went back to the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: Nobody was asking for it, but they they've rolled the
Speaker 1: calendar back to eighteen six six four on their state
Speaker 1: abortion law, basically enforcing a ban from eighteen sixty four
Speaker 1: which makes abortion punishable by two to five years in
Speaker 1: prison except when the mother's life is at risk and
Speaker 1: could potentially shudder all clinics in the state. It reverses
Speaker 1: a lower court decision which was appealed by a right
Speaker 1: wing law firm. Everybody, I mean, not bad enough to
Speaker 1: be a law firm, a right wing law firm, jesus.
Speaker 2: A little redundant, but okay exactly.
Speaker 1: But this law basically stood until Roe v. Wade rendered
Speaker 1: it moot. And now with Roe overturned. The Arizona Supreme
Speaker 1: Court is saying that the state should therefore return to
Speaker 1: a time when the Civil War was still being fought. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Arizona wasn't even a goddamn state.
Speaker 2: Yet, it is. It is nice that you know, it
Speaker 2: doesn't refer to like if a saw bones shell saw
Speaker 2: take yeah, Like yeah, I mean, look, yeah, it's it's
Speaker 2: all red dead redemption shit. I suppose, like, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is this is what we signed up for. It is
Speaker 2: a little wild that, having been through several elections now
Speaker 2: that right wing law firms are still pushing this stuff
Speaker 2: like they're not modulating any of their messaging or anything
Speaker 2: like that. It's not very weird.
Speaker 1: And their God, Emperor Trump, like this really fucks him
Speaker 1: a little bit, Like he was he had recently, you know,
Speaker 1: tried to sort of thread the needle by being like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to leave it up to the states, and
Speaker 1: you can't say shit because and then the day I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure was like the day after or like within
Speaker 1: days of him announcing his strategy of it's up to
Speaker 1: the states, it's not my call, folks, he like electorally
Speaker 1: gets completely fucked by enacting a wildly popular policy that
Speaker 1: is going to put you know, bodily automy on the
Speaker 1: ballot in a state that is electorally very important to
Speaker 1: him in the upcoming election.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is is Arizona actually at all a swing state?
Speaker 2: I remember in one that's during one election they were
Speaker 2: trying to bust us out to Arizona and I was like, I.
Speaker 1: Don't Yeah, No, didn't Biden win Arizona last Okay, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Biden won Arizona in the last election. So that's why, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and nobody was expecting that, and that became why Arizona
Speaker 1: was like a big election denial hub because it didn't
Speaker 1: match their expectations at all. And that's why Carrie Lake
Speaker 1: is I mean, Carrie Lake, who at one point was
Speaker 1: like all about this shit now in a highly contested election,
Speaker 1: is like, I I do not agree with this. This
Speaker 1: is bad because it is inconvenient for me. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it is bizarre to watch them. I
Speaker 2: guess it just takes a while. It's the same with
Speaker 2: like the Brexit people like having caught the car yes
Speaker 2: that they never wanted to catch. It is a little
Speaker 2: like it is surprising they didn't have a plan for this,
Speaker 2: I guess right, Like, like, for instance, like the Democrats
Speaker 2: are still playing the playbook of like, oh, if you
Speaker 2: vote for us, we we're gonna we're gonna really start
Speaker 2: trying to fight hard to you know, to enshrine and
Speaker 2: tried like women's health into into the Constitution, where as
Speaker 2: a federal law like oh, we really want to work
Speaker 2: on it. We do need another fifty dollars from you,
Speaker 2: but we're gone to work on it. Yeah, these guys
Speaker 2: are just doing the thing that they should have held
Speaker 2: up as their boogeyman forever.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because, yeah, for a while, the Republicans had
Speaker 1: the advantage that they had the courage of their convictions,
Speaker 1: like they actually wanted the thing that their base wanted,
Speaker 1: whereas Democrats like had to pretend like they wanted the
Speaker 1: thing that their base wanted, but like really they were
Speaker 1: beholden to corporations, right, and like couldn't actually do the
Speaker 1: thing their base wanted. But now the Republicans like have
Speaker 1: done the thing that a portion of their base wanted,
Speaker 1: and it's just wildly fucking unpopular, and so they're now
Speaker 1: at a disadvantage too. So they're like kind of, yeah,
Speaker 1: they've they were. They had in a sweet position there
Speaker 1: for a little while where they could, you know, just
Speaker 1: argue for the thing their base wanted as long as
Speaker 1: they like never actually got it, and now they actually
Speaker 1: got it, and turns out their base not big enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so well, I mean we'll see, obviously crossed, they still
Speaker 1: might win the next fucking presidential election. Yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's it's that too, you know, people with unique
Speaker 1: logical disadvantages and in addition to all the other dis
Speaker 1: advantages they have. But none of this shit matters, Andrew,
Speaker 1: because we just saw the new Joker trailer, and that's
Speaker 1: what's important. It's we've all been waiting. It has a
Speaker 1: French name, Folly. I don't think I got that exactly right,
Speaker 1: I mean you did. I took Espel in high school,
Speaker 1: so fuck off? Why yeah, thank you. I took Latin
Speaker 1: and now you can speak all the Romance languages perfectly.
Speaker 2: That was sort of, I guess, my stated logic. But
Speaker 2: that's so deeply stupid obviously to take a language I
Speaker 2: literally no one speaks.
Speaker 1: If I had to like rate the weirdness of teachers
Speaker 1: across like, across all that, because I went to a
Speaker 1: lot of schools growing up. I do feel like Latin
Speaker 1: were always the weirdest and like the ones that you
Speaker 1: most suspected you would have an apt pupil situation if
Speaker 1: you looked in their basement, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like there's is people who are like really devoted to Latin.
Speaker 1: It was like there's something idiological behind this that I
Speaker 1: don't quite trust.
Speaker 2: I mean it's it came into relief once Twitter came
Speaker 2: out and all those like people with like like everyone
Speaker 2: who's like a a Nazi has like a like a
Speaker 2: marble stack, Like oh, yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. I never Yeah. I guess it's like
Speaker 1: the instincts as a twelve year old were right.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is Western civilization. Get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2: The Joker trailer is Western civilization.
Speaker 1: That's right. So Andrew, you have not you do not
Speaker 1: see first joker.
Speaker 2: I did not see your first Joker, my favorite. I
Speaker 2: knew enough about the fan base that I was like,
Speaker 2: this is it. It's to me it falls under the
Speaker 2: category of things like the Grateful Dad and Monty Python,
Speaker 2: which is like it's honestly probably fine, but interacting with
Speaker 2: the fans of it. Rick and Morty also falls in
Speaker 2: that category. It's white, white people's stuff where I'm like,
Speaker 2: I do think this thing is probably fine and I
Speaker 2: would probably enjoy it, but I don't want to participate
Speaker 2: and be with it is people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was fine. I thought it was
Speaker 1: like a solid two and a half three star h
Speaker 1: you know, superhero ish movie. So this new one allegedly
Speaker 1: a musical, and they have learned the lesson that we
Speaker 1: identified here on The Daily se Gus that uh, just
Speaker 1: make your musical like yeah, but don't tell anybody it's
Speaker 1: a musical. Keep it like a fucking secret. Just do
Speaker 1: not show. And so this trailer like there is some
Speaker 1: singing in it, but you don't see anybody breaking into song,
Speaker 1: So it could just be yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: I do you think there's original song or there's gonna
Speaker 2: be like some like My guess is it's going to
Speaker 2: be a musical in the sense that they are going
Speaker 2: to use existing pop songs in sort of rever retype
Speaker 2: jukebox musical. Yeah, is that what that's called? Yeah, that
Speaker 2: makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I'm hoping if it is a jukebox musical,
Speaker 1: it is a they stick with what they did in
Speaker 1: the first one and just use exclusively Jack Jams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the chair or the stare dancing scene in the
Speaker 1: first one. I'm pretty sure it was like that Gary
Speaker 1: Glitter song from every like professional Sports time Out.
Speaker 2: John Jams is so such a weird concept too. I
Speaker 2: think I'm guessing I was thinking about the newest to
Speaker 2: my knowledge, the current newest jock jam, but the newest
Speaker 2: thing that became a widely accepted jock jam, because I
Speaker 2: felt like it came up through my like entire like
Speaker 2: I saw the beginning of it and now where it is,
Speaker 2: which is like, do you think the White Stripes had
Speaker 2: any sense when they wrote seven Nation Army or Jack
Speaker 2: White when I wrote, like that is what it was
Speaker 2: going to fucking become.
Speaker 1: I don't know, No, I don't. I think he's too
Speaker 1: weird to even know, like to even be aware of
Speaker 1: the concept of professional sports, you know, Like I feel like.
Speaker 2: He's I think he's one of those weird guys that
Speaker 2: like knows every baseball stat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe yeah. He's like really into reupholstering
Speaker 1: couches and yeah, baseball stats from like the eighteen eighties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he like goes to baseball games and still he
Speaker 2: still has like he needs to keep the skin pale.
Speaker 2: But you know, so he's in like a full still
Speaker 2: suit and but he's otherwise loves being there. He's scorekeeping
Speaker 2: with like a pencil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, that is that is a classic. I could.
Speaker 1: I can see it fitting directly into Joker too. I
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the trailer just you know, I thought the
Speaker 1: trailer for the First Joker was pretty good too, So
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: That was I think I saw on Twitter was like
Speaker 2: people are like, you know that the First Joker also
Speaker 2: had an amazing trailer, so it's preserved judgment.
Speaker 1: Yes, but I there has yet to be a film
Speaker 1: in which I did not at least enjoy Lady Gaga. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the that really bad one where she had an
Speaker 1: Italian accent.
Speaker 2: I was still that was great.
Speaker 1: That one is so fun, Like that's the most fun
Speaker 1: I've had. It was like that and Saltburn are like
Speaker 1: in the same family of like objectively pretty bad movies,
Speaker 1: but like highly watchable and like you're just like kind
Speaker 1: of charmed by the fact that they actually like went
Speaker 1: through with this shit.
Speaker 2: Listen. House of Gucci is awesome too, because it does
Speaker 2: sort of make like you puts in front of you.
Speaker 2: The Ridley Scott Italians yelling at each other. Trilogy of
Speaker 2: Gladiator Hasucucci and one other thing. I guess Gladiator too.
Speaker 1: Gladiator too come to us? Oh man, is that still happening.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited.
Speaker 2: Romans Romans screaming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, although I don't think they had the courage to
Speaker 1: make the original script of Gladiator two where Maximus goes
Speaker 1: to Hell and then comes back and it's like this
Speaker 1: like psychedelic weird, like Christian metaphor thing.
Speaker 2: Anyways, New Joker apparently all the money in the world
Speaker 2: also has Italians screaming at each other. So yeah, we'll
Speaker 2: get to a whole Ridley Scott Loud Italians film festival.
Speaker 2: Let's get that going.
Speaker 1: If you can get a script in front of Ridley
Speaker 1: Scott's production company, just make sure it's chock full of
Speaker 1: Mama Mia. It's like, sure, everybody saw the Mario Brothers movie.
Speaker 1: That's the Mario Brothers they wanted you to see. But
Speaker 1: what about the dysfunction? The path was the drives them
Speaker 1: to go to the strange world?
Speaker 2: Yeah, just Mario sniffing a fireflower.
Speaker 1: Like, but I don't know any thoughts on the on
Speaker 1: the Joker trailer, will you see this?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna do a thing that I think
Speaker 2: people don't do enough, which is just like, fuck it,
Speaker 2: I'll just see the sequel without seeing the original.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay. Some of my best some of my
Speaker 1: best like media consumption was seeing things out of like
Speaker 1: I saw Wire season four before I saw any of
Speaker 1: the other Wire seasons, and that ended up being like
Speaker 1: one of my favorite shows.
Speaker 2: I genuinely think watching Game of Thrones starting from like
Speaker 2: season three would have helped me, because all of season
Speaker 2: one I could not tell any of the brown haired
Speaker 2: man apart for like truly, truly, for so long, I
Speaker 2: was like, who the fuck?
Speaker 1: It was impossible. It was almost like they were doing
Speaker 1: it as like one of the pieces of commentary they
Speaker 1: wanted to make was like, don't all brown haired men
Speaker 1: look alike? Is it just us? That's like part of
Speaker 1: their artistic vision, nameless faceless brown haired men.
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 1: be right back and let's keep it in pop culture.
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah. Willie Hawonka experience from Scotland is it was
Speaker 1: a lot of fun there for a while. You know,
Speaker 1: we got that scary masked person behind the mirror that
Speaker 1: came out and looked truly cursed, like one of the
Speaker 1: most cursed pieces of performance art that like I've seen.
Speaker 1: But it was that part of like what was supposed
Speaker 1: to be a children's uh like installation, you know, the
Speaker 1: oplumpa bartender woman just uh all sorts of just glimpses
Speaker 1: of hell that they accidentally put together. The you know,
Speaker 1: bedsheets on the wall, weird just weird vibes, like looked
Speaker 1: like somebody had been squatting there. Anyways, they're trying to
Speaker 1: get it back. They're trying to get that magic back
Speaker 1: by bringing it to La. The you know, having having
Speaker 1: lived in La with children for the past seven years,
Speaker 1: LA has a lot of these shitty like installations that
Speaker 1: go into old uh yes, out of business uh raw
Speaker 1: and like Kroger's, you know, like.
Speaker 2: The ALA's art at least public art scene is some
Speaker 2: of the worst ship that has ever Yeah, it's not great,
Speaker 2: you know, truly, it's like horrendous. That fucking museum of
Speaker 2: ice cream, Like get the the truly the worst, the worst,
Speaker 2: the worst, the worst. Oh, I hate it all so much.
Speaker 1: I think that's actually everywhere, Like it seems like every
Speaker 1: big city is has been taken over by these like
Speaker 1: tourist trap things, and yeah, this is it's it feels
Speaker 1: like they're almost like, what if we just like pretended
Speaker 1: like that was the point the whole time. They're like,
Speaker 1: this fucking sucks.
Speaker 2: I mean, and yeah, if it's if it's remotely possible,
Speaker 2: and I know unfortunately that it's not because I assume
Speaker 2: people will go to this, but like, if there was
Speaker 2: a way to not reward these people, yeah, like please
Speaker 2: don't go, Please, please don't don't go. Do not give
Speaker 2: them the fucking money.
Speaker 1: It's tough because wait, I do live in LA and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of hours in the day that I
Speaker 1: got to kill with these goddamn kids. Now, I'm just joking.
Speaker 1: I would never take my kids here, but I do
Speaker 1: feel like it's almost part of my responsibility as one
Speaker 1: of the hosts of this show to spend iheart's money
Speaker 1: on a ticket to go to this.
Speaker 2: I see Listen, I'm just saying, I see people are
Speaker 2: gonna go. I wish there was a way. Here's what
Speaker 2: I would ask of you, just in the interest of
Speaker 2: not lining these people's pockets, and I'm sure they will
Speaker 2: say no because they're clearly just grifters looking to scrape
Speaker 2: the bottom of the money barrel. But see if you
Speaker 2: can get a press entry.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, that's a good idea.
Speaker 2: Don't give these fucking people money. Like they're awful, they're
Speaker 2: ai bullshit, was fucking awful, and them like writing notoriety
Speaker 2: to like all press is good press, like it really
Speaker 2: is just going to encourage more this shit. Oh, I
Speaker 2: hate them so much.
Speaker 1: So the new event will be held on April twenty eighth,
Speaker 1: so we're start the countdown eighteen days out. Promises to
Speaker 1: kick start the sweetness with two complimentary jelly beans. So
Speaker 1: that's the detail where it's like, oh, you guys are
Speaker 1: like trying to be in on the bit. And then
Speaker 1: guests can expect a DJ set, live comedy performances, an
Speaker 1: immersive tiny cinema installation screening silent films. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's the frustrating thing is I just showed my kids
Speaker 1: the original will we Want like the Gene Wilder Willy Wonka.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the original, but and they
Speaker 1: had a blast. They loved it, and it really does
Speaker 1: is begging for like it would be the perfect Like
Speaker 1: it's about somebody doing an installation basically, you know, like
Speaker 1: he's like, come into my warehouse and and like see
Speaker 1: all these fun things. Like if you could create, like
Speaker 1: if James Cameron was building one of these like installation
Speaker 1: things like that, this would be the one for him
Speaker 1: to start with.
Speaker 2: Or fucking universal like the way the way they did
Speaker 2: like fucking Super Mario Land. Just do that. Just make
Speaker 2: it what you saw on the screen exactly and charge
Speaker 2: people a fuckload of money and would be great, including
Speaker 2: the weird people would have so much fun. Chicken getting
Speaker 2: his head chopped off when you're on the boat part.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's so wild. Yeah, there should be a part
Speaker 1: of Willy Wonka Land that feels like you were having
Speaker 1: the worst trip of your life. Yeah, that's just mandatory.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's part of the experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, it does really capture the ethos of being
Speaker 2: a factory owner. I was going to say in that
Speaker 2: time period, but let's be real, in every time pod,
Speaker 2: which is about scraping money and murdering children.
Speaker 1: Murdering children making a profit while doing so, it is
Speaker 1: I've always said it's very influential because it was the
Speaker 1: first slasher film that I saw. You know, It's like
Speaker 1: there's a group of people making their way through an
Speaker 1: environment and like getting picked off one by one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I or like a like a haunted house
Speaker 2: has little haunted house elements, like these people are heroes,
Speaker 2: are only there out of economic necessity, right, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: and in the end they become the demon themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then I went on to become a huge
Speaker 1: slasher movie fan. So, you know, as a child, way
Speaker 1: too young, I was like, this fucking rules. More more
Speaker 1: of this man.
Speaker 2: You talked about the trailer for Abigail yet on this show.
Speaker 1: No, we haven't. I just saw a glimpses of it.
Speaker 2: But it's great.
Speaker 1: Basically, Killer Child is kind of the killer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of a vampire Ballerina child. Yes, it looks great.
Speaker 1: Please, it's right into my dands. Andrew T. What a
Speaker 1: pleasure having you. Thanks for having me around. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good.
Speaker 2: Stuff, andrew T? Wherever yoss racist that's my podcast. That's it.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, do that? Do that.
Speaker 1: We are back tomorrow with a whole lass episode of
Speaker 1: the show. Until then, be kind to each other, be
Speaker 1: kind to yourselves, get the vaccine, get the flu shot,
Speaker 1: don't do nothing about white supremacy, and we will talk
Speaker 1: to you all tomorrow. Bye.