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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the

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Speaker 1: Matrix Retrended. That one is courtesy of j M you

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Speaker 1: sick one. Oh oh, I hope you're feeling all right,

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Speaker 1: JMU sick one. I am Jack and I'm throw to

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Speaker 1: be joined by special guest co host Andrew Dull.

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Speaker 2: I didn't anything fun for this, That's okay. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean uncharted territory.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where trends. Yeah, yeah, first of all,

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Speaker 1: thank you for sticking around for trends, and yeah, the trends.

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Speaker 1: We we don't do fun stuff on trends. It's very

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Speaker 1: business like buy the books.

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Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, fuck yeah, That's what I'm here for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't no songs. YEA took me a lot

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Speaker 1: just to get up to pronounce your name, Andrew. You

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Speaker 1: know usually that was like honestly fucking miles and I'm Jack.

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Speaker 1: What else? What else? But yeah, thank you for the

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Speaker 1: Matrix related aka sick oh sick one. Andrew, have you

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Speaker 1: ever like wondered, like what if you're in the Matrix? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Fuck bro, bro fuck brother. I could just tell I'm

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Speaker 2: not in the matrix because I'm always like my relationship

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Speaker 2: to technology doesn't ever get me to that kind of

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Speaker 2: I'm just like I would know I was in the

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Speaker 2: matrix because everything would be like fucking broken.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, your understanding of technology is such that.

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Speaker 2: I'm just not rebooting all the time. I would know

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Speaker 2: I was in the matrix if I was rebooting all

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Speaker 2: the time, and I'm not. Yeah, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: Well, Andrew. The Arizona Supreme Court has made the same

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Speaker 1: mistake as Back to the Future three, and they took

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Speaker 1: it too far back and went back to the eighteen hundreds.

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Speaker 1: Nobody was asking for it, but they they've rolled the

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Speaker 1: calendar back to eighteen six six four on their state

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Speaker 1: abortion law, basically enforcing a ban from eighteen sixty four

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Speaker 1: which makes abortion punishable by two to five years in

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Speaker 1: prison except when the mother's life is at risk and

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Speaker 1: could potentially shudder all clinics in the state. It reverses

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Speaker 1: a lower court decision which was appealed by a right

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Speaker 1: wing law firm. Everybody, I mean, not bad enough to

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Speaker 1: be a law firm, a right wing law firm, jesus.

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Speaker 2: A little redundant, but okay exactly.

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Speaker 1: But this law basically stood until Roe v. Wade rendered

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Speaker 1: it moot. And now with Roe overturned. The Arizona Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court is saying that the state should therefore return to

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Speaker 1: a time when the Civil War was still being fought. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Arizona wasn't even a goddamn state.

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Speaker 2: Yet, it is. It is nice that you know, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't refer to like if a saw bones shell saw

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Speaker 2: take yeah, Like yeah, I mean, look, yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 2: all red dead redemption shit. I suppose, like, yeah, this

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Speaker 2: is this is what we signed up for. It is

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Speaker 2: a little wild that, having been through several elections now

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Speaker 2: that right wing law firms are still pushing this stuff

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Speaker 2: like they're not modulating any of their messaging or anything

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Speaker 2: like that. It's not very weird.

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Speaker 1: And their God, Emperor Trump, like this really fucks him

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Speaker 1: a little bit, Like he was he had recently, you know,

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Speaker 1: tried to sort of thread the needle by being like,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to leave it up to the states, and

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Speaker 1: you can't say shit because and then the day I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure was like the day after or like within

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Speaker 1: days of him announcing his strategy of it's up to

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Speaker 1: the states, it's not my call, folks, he like electorally

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Speaker 1: gets completely fucked by enacting a wildly popular policy that

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Speaker 1: is going to put you know, bodily automy on the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is is Arizona actually at all a swing state?

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Speaker 2: I remember in one that's during one election they were

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Speaker 1: Don't Yeah, No, didn't Biden win Arizona last Okay, okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and nobody was expecting that, and that became why Arizona

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Speaker 1: match their expectations at all. And that's why Carrie Lake

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Speaker 1: like all about this shit now in a highly contested election,

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Speaker 1: is like, I I do not agree with this. This

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it is bizarre to watch them. I

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Speaker 2: guess it just takes a while. It's the same with

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Speaker 2: like the Brexit people like having caught the car yes

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Speaker 2: like it is surprising they didn't have a plan for this,

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Speaker 2: I guess right, Like, like, for instance, like the Democrats

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Speaker 2: but we're gone to work on it. Yeah, these guys

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Speaker 2: up as their boogeyman forever.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because, yeah, for a while, the Republicans had

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Speaker 1: thing their base wanted. But now the Republicans like have

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Speaker 1: and it's just wildly fucking unpopular, and so they're now

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Speaker 1: they like never actually got it, and now they actually

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Speaker 1: so well, I mean we'll see, obviously crossed, they still

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Speaker 1: but it's it's that too, you know, people with unique

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Speaker 1: advantages they have. But none of this shit matters, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: because we just saw the new Joker trailer, and that's

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Speaker 1: what's important. It's we've all been waiting. It has a

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Speaker 1: I mean you did. I took Espel in high school,

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Speaker 1: so fuck off? Why yeah, thank you. I took Latin

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Speaker 1: and now you can speak all the Romance languages perfectly.

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Speaker 2: That was sort of, I guess, my stated logic. But

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Speaker 2: that's so deeply stupid obviously to take a language I

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Speaker 1: If I had to like rate the weirdness of teachers

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Speaker 1: Like there's is people who are like really devoted to Latin.

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Speaker 1: It was like there's something idiological behind this that I

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Speaker 2: I mean it's it came into relief once Twitter came

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Speaker 2: out and all those like people with like like everyone

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. I never Yeah. I guess it's like

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Speaker 1: the instincts as a twelve year old were right.

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Speaker 2: Oh, this is Western civilization. Get the fuck out of here.

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Speaker 2: The Joker trailer is Western civilization.

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Speaker 1: That's right. So Andrew, you have not you do not

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Speaker 1: see first joker.

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Speaker 2: I did not see your first Joker, my favorite. I

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Speaker 2: this is it. It's to me it falls under the

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Speaker 2: category of things like the Grateful Dad and Monty Python,

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Speaker 2: which is like it's honestly probably fine, but interacting with

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Speaker 2: I do think this thing is probably fine and I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was fine. I thought it was

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Speaker 1: like a solid two and a half three star h

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Speaker 1: you know, superhero ish movie. So this new one allegedly

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Speaker 1: a musical, and they have learned the lesson that we

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Speaker 1: identified here on The Daily se Gus that uh, just

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Speaker 1: make your musical like yeah, but don't tell anybody it's

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Speaker 1: a musical. Keep it like a fucking secret. Just do

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Speaker 1: So it could just be yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: I do you think there's original song or there's gonna

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Speaker 2: jukebox musical. Yeah, is that what that's called? Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I'm hoping if it is a jukebox musical,

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Speaker 1: the first one and just use exclusively Jack Jams. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: first one. I'm pretty sure it was like that Gary

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Speaker 1: I don't know, No, I don't. I think he's too

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Speaker 2: He's I think he's one of those weird guys that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe yeah. He's like really into reupholstering

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he like goes to baseball games and still he

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Speaker 2: But you know, so he's in like a full still

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, that is that is a classic. I could.

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Speaker 1: I can see it fitting directly into Joker too. I

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed the trailer just you know, I thought the

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Speaker 2: That was I think I saw on Twitter was like

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Speaker 2: had an amazing trailer, so it's preserved judgment.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but I there has yet to be a film

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Speaker 1: in which I did not at least enjoy Lady Gaga. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: That one is so fun, Like that's the most fun

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Speaker 1: I've had. It was like that and Saltburn are like

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Speaker 2: Listen. House of Gucci is awesome too, because it does

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Speaker 2: Don't give these fucking people money. Like they're awful, they're

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Speaker 2: Or fucking universal like the way the way they did

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Speaker 2: You talked about the trailer for Abigail yet on this show.

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Speaker 1: No, we haven't. I just saw a glimpses of it.

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Speaker 1: Please, it's right into my dands. Andrew T. What a

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Speaker 1: pleasure having you. Thanks for having me around. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good.

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Speaker 2: Stuff, andrew T? Wherever yoss racist that's my podcast. That's it.

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Speaker 1: We are back tomorrow with a whole lass episode of

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Speaker 1: the show. Until then, be kind to each other, be

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Speaker 1: kind to yourselves, get the vaccine, get the flu shot,

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Speaker 1: don't do nothing about white supremacy, and we will talk

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Speaker 1: to you all tomorrow. Bye.