1 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: Over the weekend, Israel miraculously freed four of their hostages 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: held in Gaza since October seventh. It was very emotional. 4 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: One of them, Noah, is someone I've prayed for a 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: lot by name. She was the beautiful girl stolen that 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: day on the back of a motorbike as she reached 7 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: her hand out to her boyfriend who was on another 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: bike also being kidnapped. Her mom is dying of brain cancer, 9 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: and she wanted to see her daughter one more time 10 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: before she died, and now she will. It's amazing to 11 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: see her home. But I want to talk about something else. 12 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: On Saturday, when the rescues happened, I tweeted, the focus 13 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: will be on Noah, a beautiful young woman we all 14 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: watched get kidnapped by monsters on the back of a motorbike. 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: But the real miracle today is that al mug Andre 16 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 1: and Shlomi are home. No hostage deal ever included them. 17 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: It's women and children, the old, the sick, and these 18 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: young men, the oldest being forty, had no shot of 19 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: returning home. Hamas was never going to deal for them. 20 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: A rescue like this was their only hope. Men matter too, 21 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: and I'm so filled with joy that they are home. 22 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: A lot of people agreed with that. Some people felt 23 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: like they had to work really hard to misunderstand what 24 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: I was trying to say. I get why we put 25 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: men last, and the best men themselves demand to be 26 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: put last. I get why the hostage deals would be 27 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: for everyone, but these men, I just still find it crushing. 28 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: I don't like how men are treated in general. There 29 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: was a story in Bloomberg a few weeks ago that 30 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: really stayed with me. It was about a high school athlete, 31 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: a football star in Michigan, who got a flirty text 32 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: on his phone from a girl that he didn't know. 33 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: He engaged with her. She sent him a picture of 34 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: herself and then asked for a racy pick of him, 35 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: so he sent her a nude and it turned right 36 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: away into a sextortion scheme. There was no girl, and 37 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: that boy killed himself that same night. I shared this 38 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: story with so many friends who have teen boys, largely 39 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: because I don't think boys get the same warnings and 40 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: protection that girls do. 41 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: Look. 42 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: I have a daughter and two sons, and I see 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: what information they get about safety online and otherwise. Recently, 44 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: women were being led to believe that they would be 45 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: safer around a bear than a man. Meanwhile, boys are 46 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: supposed to know everything and be ready to be the 47 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: hero from a young age. Then they're treated like a danger. 48 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: And then an afterthought, the argument is, well, things have 49 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: always been great for men, It's okay to treat them 50 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: badly for a little while. I'm not okay with that. 51 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen, then Senator Kamala Harris asked Brett Kavanaugh, 52 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: can you think of any laws that give government the 53 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: power to make decisions about the male body? I wrote 54 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: in a New York Post column. Quote. The question was 55 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: in the midst of harris extensive grandstanding, so Kavanaugh didn't 56 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: have an immediate answer. But there's an obvious one, selective Service. 57 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: Every American male eighteen to twenty five has to register 58 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: with the Selective Service System, which maintains their information in 59 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: case of military conscription. If America is ever again in 60 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: a war and needs to reinstate the draft, those male 61 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: bodies will be the ones to go. End quote. But 62 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: obviously it's not just that men naturally die younger. More 63 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: men are in prison than women. Fewer men go to college. 64 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: Men overwhelmingly have the most dangerous jobs. Far more men 65 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: commit suicide. Most homeless are men. Over ninety eight percent 66 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: of the debts in the wars since nine to eleven 67 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: have been men, et cetera, et cetera. I don't have 68 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: the answer. And as I said at the start, the 69 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: best men are the ones who willingly do hard things 70 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: to protect us. 71 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 3: All. 72 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, maybe we can appreciate it just a 73 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: little bit more. Coming up next an interview with Kelly Maher. 74 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: Join us after the break. 75 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My 76 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 4: guest today is Kelly Maher. Kelly writes the subseac Real 77 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 4: Best Life and is an urban farmer at guild Gate 78 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 4: Farm in Colorado. She's an artisanal cheesemaker and mom of two. 79 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 4: Her new project is called Restoring Standards, and it's loosely 80 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 4: dedicated to getting crazy people out of politics. 81 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: Hi, Kelly, that was the best intro. I loved it. Hi, friend, 82 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,119 Speaker 3: how are you are you good? 83 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: I'm so glad to have you on. 84 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 3: I was so excited when you invited me. I was like, 85 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: I saw it come in my email. I was like 86 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 3: immediately yes, immediately. 87 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 4: Yes, until you realized it was video also, and then 88 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 4: felt somewhat lied to. 89 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: You know what, It's fine, okay. If there's somebody that 90 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 3: I will put on mascara for, it's you. Thank you, 91 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: thank you very much. 92 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: The best is you know. 93 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 4: So I send you know, the informational email out and 94 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 4: I include in it the three like, you know, fairly 95 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 4: serious questions that I asked people in it, and there's 96 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 4: so many people that don't read that email at all. 97 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: And then when I'm like, hey. 98 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 4: So what's the biggest cultural problem we face, They're like, what, 99 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 4: this is kind of a lot. So, you know, but 100 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 4: I've never had anybody, uh, you know, complain about. 101 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: The video parts. So that was funny. 102 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 4: I enjoyed that personally, Like the gift that you used 103 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 4: all of it was really good. 104 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 3: Yes, thank you, thank you. I I'm good for a 105 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 3: good gift exactly. 106 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 4: So I knew you before your one year project of 107 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 4: oh yeah, so we're. 108 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 3: Going to get into that, but I want you tell us. 109 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 4: But I feel like that's the time where I really 110 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 4: got to know you, Like that year where you did 111 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 4: what I. 112 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 3: So, okay, I lived off of what we produced on 113 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 3: our tiny farm for an entire year. It was very fortunate. 114 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 3: I called it the homegrown Year. I was super fortunate 115 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: that a lot of it, uh it really dovetailed with COVID, 116 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 3: so it actually like was a decent way to do 117 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 3: a lockdown. Was trying to figure out if I could 118 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: feed myself, and it's it was one of those really 119 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 3: fascinating projects where you're like, hmm, people have been living 120 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 3: for the bulk of human history off of the food 121 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: that they produce. I am, you know, a soft like 122 00:06:54,839 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: Internet denizen, right, like, can I do this thing? And 123 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 3: so shortly after my first son was born, my husband 124 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: and I bought this small acreage property just north of Denver, Colorado. 125 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 3: And the night before we closed on the farm, I 126 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: found my my father passed away unexpectedly. So it was 127 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: like a very very traumatic move because I had a baby, 128 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: you know, such as life, but I had a baby, 129 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 3: my dad unexpectedly died, and then we moved to this acreage, 130 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 3: and then in short order I ended up pregnant with 131 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 3: my second and so it was just like a lot 132 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: very very fast. And then a little bit after that, 133 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 3: a mutual friend of ours, Guy Benson, got married in Napa, 134 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 3: and I had gotten a couple of goats and I'd 135 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 3: gotten a couple of chickens. So I'm out in Napa 136 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 3: at the wedding. My husband stayed home with the two kids, 137 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: so it's just me. Yeah, yeah, thanks. But so it 138 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 3: was just me with my friends and we would go 139 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: out to these fancy restaurants and I'd be like, oh, 140 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: this cheese is good, but my cheese that I make 141 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: at home. And so we like had just enough wine, 142 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 3: and I was just enough postpartum, you know, when you're 143 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: postpartum and you're like, yeah. 144 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 2: You're a little crazy. 145 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 3: I mean more than a little, right, And so my 146 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: friend Emily looks at me and she's like, if you 147 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 3: love all the stuff you make on your farm so much, 148 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 3: why don't you live off of it for a year. 149 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 3: And I was like, that is a great idea. 150 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then it's the kind of decision you should 151 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 4: make without your husband late at night. 152 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 3: I'm like, three bottles of wine, yes, exactly, exactly. But 153 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: you know, previous to that, I've had a long, a 154 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 3: long career in the thing that shall not be named 155 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 3: on this podcast, right, which is politics. 156 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 4: We get into politics a little bit sometimes it just 157 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 4: generally a podcast about life. 158 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: But yeah, exactly, and to the extent that politics is 159 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: like a portion of life. But I might had had 160 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: an entire career, a long career in politics and was 161 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 3: really dissatisfied as a lot of people I think have 162 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 3: been with politics. And so this was a really good 163 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 3: like reprieve for me to just take kind of a 164 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 3: deep breath and say, what is important here? What is 165 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 3: important about life? What is beautiful about life? And it's 166 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 3: actually made me, I think better able than to re 167 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: engage with all of the craziness that you and I 168 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 3: engage with all ry interesting. 169 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I loved following that story. I sent 170 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 4: it to so many people who are like not you know, 171 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 4: not very online people, and I just like, for me, 172 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 4: the hardest part of what you did was the no 173 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 4: coffee Like that was I. 174 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: Could do the rest. I mean, I you know, in theory. 175 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 3: Did that eventually get some coffee? 176 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: I found it for it. 177 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: I did. I did. So we we in NAPA at 178 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: this wedding. We made these rules right and they were like, okay, 179 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: late night rules for some crazy thing. Late night rolled 180 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: for this like manufactured challenge that I decided to do. 181 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 3: I love it, okay, yeah, as one as one does. 182 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 3: And actually like I think one of the last, one 183 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 3: of the last hurrahs. Like before the lockdowns started, you 184 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 3: and I were in Aruba. 185 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the day before lockdown start, right. 186 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 3: You and I were in Aruba and you're like drinking 187 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 3: and I'm telling you I'm going to live off my 188 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: farm for a. 189 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: Year and Catherine Ham's wedding. 190 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah, and You're like, you're an insane person. 191 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, i am, I'm so excited. 192 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 4: No, I'm sure I was in teen I'm sure I 193 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 4: love late night bad ideas, you know, not that that 194 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 4: was a bad idea, but just late night like a quirky, 195 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 4: quirky idea. 196 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm all in. 197 00:10:59,559 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 5: Yes. 198 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 3: So then at one point I did guys radio show 199 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 3: and somebody in Hawaii was listening to it, and he 200 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: contacted me and offer to barter. The thing is like, 201 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 3: it's a very like what you can send agriculturally into 202 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,479 Speaker 3: Hawaii is very narrow, because. 203 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 4: I'm like, no. 204 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: No, no, I had to be cheese. I can't. You can't 205 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: send anything with seeds, you can't send anything that's like 206 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 3: vegetable based there, and Also I learned about Hawaii random 207 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 3: sorry this is round, but like so at one point 208 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 3: there were chickens that were like accidentally introduced to Hawaii 209 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: and they naturally flourished there. So they just have like 210 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 3: wild slash formerly domesticated chickens just like running all over Hawaii, 211 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 3: and they are obnoxious and people just often just kill them. 212 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 3: And oh okay, so I. 213 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 4: Thought gonna thought people like take them as pets, but 214 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 4: no killing any killing them and eating them sounds right. 215 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 3: Also literally just meat running around all the time, right, 216 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 3: and so yeah, it's it's just it's such a fascinating 217 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 3: they're very very strict about what can be introduced in 218 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 3: Hawaii and not because it's such a really like delicate ecosystem. 219 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 2: So you sent them cheese and they sent you coffee. 220 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 3: Fee grow yes, yes. 221 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 4: And then I also because that was the thing, it 222 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 4: had to be bartered for something that somebody else grows personally. 223 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: It can't be like sending you tasters choice like correct, I. 224 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 3: Had to I had to barter with a source, like 225 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 3: a creator of the thing. So a woman from California 226 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 3: sent me some avocados, which was like the highlight of 227 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 3: my year. 228 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: That's amazing. 229 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, our friend Alicia Krauss sent me lemons and come 230 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 3: qua oh so good. 231 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: She grew I didn't know she grows lemons. 232 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: That's amazing. 233 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I actually learned about preserving lemons. There's a 234 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 3: type of there's a type of lemon preservation that you 235 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 3: can do in salt that it's like like it's a 236 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: really delicious umami flavor. And I used those a lot. 237 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 3: It was. It was fascinating. It was such a weird year. 238 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 3: I had pigs. I had one pig who ended up 239 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 3: being very mean. And there is a reason by the 240 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 3: way that like the mob uses pigs as they're enforcers, like, 241 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,599 Speaker 3: so they're very smart and super mean. And so my 242 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 3: pigs would go and they would take their food and 243 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 3: they would like spit it by the fence where the 244 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 3: chickens were, and then they would attack the chickens. It 245 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: was smart. Pigs are scary. Yeah, never never again on 246 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 3: the pigs. But it was great. 247 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: It was. 248 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: It was so bizarre, but it also was exactly what 249 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: I needed at that point in my life, right, I remember, yeah, yeah, totally. 250 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 4: You remember following along and having it be you had 251 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 4: like it really was sort of like a reality show. 252 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 4: I mean it was like you had one night your 253 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 4: fridge with all your meat like disconnected or something or 254 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 4: like wasn't working. 255 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 3: Peril. 256 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: I felt so devastated for you. 257 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 3: Oh. I was like I was ready to cry, and 258 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 3: like I walked out. So yeah, okay, I'll set the scene. 259 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 5: Uh. 260 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 3: One of the things that was allowed was things that 261 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 3: my husband hunted, right, so he he's a big deer hunter. 262 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 3: So I had a deer in a freezer. Yeah, and 263 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 3: for some reason, the people who designed this freezer put 264 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 3: the on off switch like right on the bottom of 265 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 3: the freezer. And my little kids were like, oh, look 266 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 3: at this little switch, and do you know what they do? 267 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 3: Clicked it And I walked out and I just see 268 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: like blood on the floor of the garage, and I 269 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 3: was like but and I cried on the internet, which 270 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 3: is like I think I said I would never do right, 271 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 3: I was never gonna be with you. 272 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 4: What is she going? 273 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what. One of the things that that 274 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 3: horrifying incident. And I managed to save a lot of it. 275 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 3: I managed to freeze dry a lot of it. I 276 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 3: cooked a lot of it and then canned it, so 277 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 3: it actually ended up being very little waste. But like 278 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: the thing is with a challenge like that, if I failed, right, 279 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 3: like if I literally ran out of food, I can 280 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 3: then be like, oh I failed, and then I can. 281 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: Go to the st No one'd be like, no, no, 282 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: you said you. 283 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 3: Have to do that. 284 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, now you die, right, but your husband's updates were 285 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 5: Kelly is still alive or Kelly has not died yet, So. 286 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: Yes, it hasn't starved to death. 287 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: Right and. 288 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 3: It But it was really interesting to me because that 289 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 3: devastation that I felt about losing that meat made me 290 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 3: understand how humans have lived for most of human history, 291 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: Like they didn't even by the way, didn't even have 292 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 3: free zears. But you think about you know, you think about, 293 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 3: like what are the most base things in our society, 294 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: and it is like it's predicated on being able to 295 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 3: feed yourself. 296 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: Right. 297 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: In his there's a great book, I don't know if 298 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 3: you've read it. It's called The Omnivores Dilemma. But one 299 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 3: of one of the interesting things that he puts forth 300 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 3: is this idea that like one of the most basic 301 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: tradeable like forms of currency is the calorie. Right, Like 302 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 3: you can, like we talk so much about money, and 303 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 3: we talk about Fiat currency, and we talk about but 304 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 3: but if you, if you really like it down into 305 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 3: what are the things that like, like, only somebody who 306 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 3: has enough calories can give to another yea fascinating additional 307 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 3: calories and that is really like the energy off of 308 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 3: which our species runs. And so for me as a 309 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 3: foodie and as somebody who loves good food and also 310 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 3: like gets into you know, cheesemaking and all of the stuff, 311 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 3: make the eggs and all of that, like being able 312 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 3: to really break that down and not just think about like, 313 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 3: oh this is delicious, or like oh I make very 314 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 3: good cheese, or oh look at the yolk in this egg, 315 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 3: but also like what does that mean? And how is 316 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: that of value? And what does that mean? Like in 317 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 3: the course of life has been just a real departure 318 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 3: from like mean tweets, right, It takes everything else and 319 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 3: it puts it so much in perspective. 320 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 2: Really really good. I like that thought a lot. 321 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 322 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. 323 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 4: So you did this year and your arrived here you 324 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 4: are I did, and you know you're generally just a happy, 325 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 4: successful person. 326 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 2: You have a beautiful family, do you feel like you've 327 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: made it? 328 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 3: So this is one of the questions that and I've 329 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 3: really struggled with it because it's not as simple yes 330 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 3: or no, right, Like, yes, I look at my sons, 331 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 3: and I think I have made it. I look at 332 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 3: the luxury right, like, like, over the course of human history, 333 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 3: being able to live off of your farm for a 334 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 3: year for fun is like the height of luxury. Right. 335 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 3: It gives you perspective. But it's also one of those 336 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 3: things that it's like this, this is just this is 337 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 3: a thing that I am not required to do. And 338 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 3: so in those ways, I've definitely made it. In education, 339 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 3: I've made it in and that doesn't mean I'm not 340 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 3: going to be a lifelong learner. But in friends, right, 341 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 3: like I got I got the email from you, and 342 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 3: like it warms my heart. But but I mean, we 343 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 3: are so fortunate, right, There's so many things that I 344 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: hate about the Internet. There's a lot of things that 345 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 3: I hate about the Internet. But I look at my 346 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: friends like you and Emily Zanati and Guy Benson and 347 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 3: Mary Katherine Ham and Bethany Mandel, your co author, and like, 348 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 3: what in what universe would we all be able to 349 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 3: be friends? Without this like unifying amazing. I am sitting 350 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 3: here in a shed on the back of four acres 351 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 3: north of Denver, Colorado, and I am talking to you. 352 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 3: I assume you're in Florida, right, Florida, right, and we're 353 00:19:54,400 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 3: having this conversation and it's unbelievable over like it's right, 354 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 3: So in every objective measure of humanity, I have made. 355 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: It so And why is it easy? 356 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, and yet and yet there is still more 357 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 3: to do, right like this is this is the purpose 358 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 3: of life, is to continue to grow and change and 359 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 3: challenge and find the next steps and pursue the purpose. Right, 360 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 3: Because you're a nerd like me, and I think all 361 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 3: the time about yeah, I know it's mess but like 362 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 3: we're endowed by our creator with certain unvailable rights, including life, liberty, 363 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 3: and the pursuit of happiness. And I think about that 364 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 3: all the time, especially when I'm drunk. Like the other night, 365 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 3: I was having wine with some girlfriends and I'm like, oh, 366 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 3: you know the Big Three And they are not my 367 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 3: political girlfriends, and they're like, what are you talk about. 368 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 3: I'm like, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, like 369 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 3: it's the and they're like you're in it, you're crazy, 370 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 3: like always had too much to drink. Yeah, I'm always 371 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: and I always I always say that, right, which is 372 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,959 Speaker 3: like the idea that we are endowed by our creator, 373 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 3: regardless of your view of God, the prime mover, the 374 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 3: animating force behind humanity. Right, Like, we're endowed with life, liberty, 375 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 3: and the pursuit of happiness. But the pursuit of happiness 376 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 3: never stops, right Like the pursuit of purpose and goodness 377 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 3: never ends. 378 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely so, Yes, I've. 379 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 3: Made it and I will never make it. Does that 380 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: make sense? 381 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: That is? Yeah, that makes sense. 382 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 6: I mean it's it's tough because I think that you 383 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 6: want to feel like you have you know, you want 384 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 6: to get there, right, but if you feel like it's 385 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 6: not possible ever, it's it's it's an interesting I like 386 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 6: asking people because I get such. 387 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 2: A wide range of answers on it, and I mean. 388 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 3: This is a good one. Yeah, but like, yes, I 389 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 3: have made it, and I will never make it. I 390 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 3: will never ever make it. But yeah, here we sit. 391 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely so what would you say, you know, going 392 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 4: to another question, but what would you say is our 393 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 4: largest cultural problem to overcome? 394 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, you have some good questions. Also, I didn't 395 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 3: sleep last night because I was like staring at the ceiling. 396 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, how do I how do I answer 397 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 3: these questions? So you touched on it briefly. I'm doing 398 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 3: this project called Restoring Standards. And I read this book. 399 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 3: It's so good by a guy named Tim Urban. It's 400 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 3: called What's Our Problem? A self help guide for societies. 401 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 3: And if you haven't read, see. 402 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 2: The guy that did for our work week or. 403 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 3: He's no, no he didn't maybe, but he's the one 404 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 3: he did that Ted talk, that really famous Ted talk 405 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 3: about procrastination that like finding out Jillian views. I will, 406 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 3: I'll send you the link. It's he's also like he's 407 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 3: a cartoonist, he's a big thinker, he's he's kind of 408 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 3: a modern day Philock. For okay, but I spent twenty 409 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 3: years in professionalized politics, twenty plus and it seemed like 410 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 3: a very like and I still am, right, like I'm 411 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 3: still doing it. And like many people I know, like you, 412 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 3: we've all really like struggled around that. And I've always 413 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 3: thought about, like, okay, politics is kind of the left 414 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 3: right spectrum is how we identify people, and it's you know, 415 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 3: the left is the Democrats and right is the Republicans. 416 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 3: But I think it's time to add an additional access 417 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 3: and that is the good faith versus bad faith spectrum. 418 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: And we need to start thinking about how we think, 419 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 3: and we need to start thinking about how we define 420 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 3: our tribes, and part of that like like if we're 421 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 3: looking at the underpinnings of all of that, if we're 422 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 3: looking at like the core principles, and we start to identify, 423 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 3: and that's and that's kind of the prime mover, if 424 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 3: you will, behind this project idea is that there are 425 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 3: good there are people of good faith, regardless of where 426 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 3: they are on the political spectrum. So it's not actually 427 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 3: left versus right, it's not this moderate question, but there 428 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 3: are We need to start to look at this and 429 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 3: this entire thing differently than we have because we naturally 430 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 3: get into the two party system and how we see that. 431 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 3: But there is also a two party system and it's 432 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 3: like crazy bad people and people of good faith, and 433 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 3: there's a ton of people in the middle, just like 434 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 3: everything else. Right, And what I have noticed is like 435 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 3: a unifying theme because politics is always downstream from culture, 436 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 3: is that I think our biggest cultural problem is that 437 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 3: we are inherently, by virtue of our human nature, relativists, 438 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 3: and we do not see back to the point that 439 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 3: I'm talking to my friend from Florida right now, we 440 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 3: do not see the wealth and the beauty and the creation, 441 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 3: and we do not see all of that in front 442 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 3: of us because we are relativists, and you and I 443 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 3: are about the same age. We grew up playing you know, 444 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 3: organ trail and coming home like right, like I have 445 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 3: died of dysentery so many times. Yeah, but I look 446 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 3: at I look at like my kids or your kids, 447 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 3: and what their perspective on what life is, and what 448 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 3: wealth is and where it comes from, and just just 449 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 3: the beauty of all of this. And so for me 450 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 3: being an urban farmer and getting back to like creation 451 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 3: of the tangible, especially obviously like look at me, I 452 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 3: love cheese, right, But but for me, I use that 453 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 3: as a tool to fight my own relativism. Does that 454 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 3: make sense? Yeah, I don't know. I'm articulating that well, 455 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 3: but yess it. I think our biggest cultural problem is 456 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 3: we're in the best situation we've ever been in over 457 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 3: the course of human history, and everybody is miserable. 458 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, it's a tough one to overcome too. 459 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 4: I think that it is even once you identify that 460 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 4: we all should be so much happier, it's hard to 461 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 4: get people to that place. Yeah. 462 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 3: So that's back to that pursuit of happiness, right, the 463 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 3: constant vigilance that is figuring out how to pursue happiness, 464 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 3: and humans inherently are bad at understanding what anticipating what 465 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 3: it is that's going to make us happy. 466 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. 467 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: Did you ever read a Stumbling on Happiness? 468 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 3: I was about to. I couldn't have that book. 469 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 4: I love it, and we really have no idea what 470 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 4: you just don't know what future you will be like, 471 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 4: so yeah, what future you will want? 472 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very I loved you wrote a column once 473 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 3: about like your marriage and getting married and and there 474 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 3: were so many things from Stumbling on Happiness in that call, 475 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 3: and it was I remember that one was so I 476 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 3: mean it was. 477 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 4: My husband and I read that book when we were 478 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 4: engaged and like really maybe we weren't even maybe we're 479 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 4: just dating, I don't know, but early in our relationship. 480 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 4: And it's it's funny because it informs a lot of 481 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 4: things for us, Like I really it had a big 482 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 4: effect on me. 483 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 3: That book. 484 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 2: I really yeah, me too. 485 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 3: That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense that we would both. 486 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 3: I love talking to you. 487 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: I think you know it's funny. We're already like way 488 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 2: over the time, but I love it. 489 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 3: I don't care. 490 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 4: I know. 491 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: No, we don't have it. There's no set time, but 492 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 2: these usually just run shorter. But I love talking to you. 493 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: And here with your best tip for my listeners on 494 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 2: how they can improve their lives. 495 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 3: I would take two or three minutes a day and 496 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 3: look around you and realize how magical everything is. Yeah, 497 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 3: just like just two or three minutes and just sit 498 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 3: down and be like wow, wow, like you know, read 499 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 3: ipencil every so often and look at look at the thing. 500 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 3: It's just it's like live in this unbelievable world and 501 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 3: we can all work together to make it better and 502 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 3: all of the things that we're concerned about and all 503 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 3: the things that we're scared about, Like, we got here 504 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 3: incrementally and we have to get out of it incrementally. 505 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 3: But that requires constant vigilance and the constant pursuit of happiness. 506 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: I love it, Thank you so much. 507 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 2: She is Kelly Maher. She's amazing. Check her out. Real 508 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: best life. She's just so fantastic. 509 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: Thank you so much much for coming on. Kelly, you're 510 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: the best. Thank you, Carol, thanks so much for joining 511 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: us on the Carol Marcowitz Show. Subscribe wherever you get 512 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: your podcasts.