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Speaker 1: Well, good evening, everybody, and welcome to this Wednesday edition

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Speaker 1: of The Warning. The great pleasure and a privilege tonight

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Speaker 1: to be able to introduce all of you to Gary Kasparov,

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Speaker 1: the world chess Champion, the strategic grand Master, one of

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Speaker 1: humanity's great champions of freedom, freethinking, and apostle of human rights.

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Speaker 1: And so it's said that in an average lifetime that

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Speaker 1: each of us, on average will meet ten thousand people.

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Speaker 1: And that's what an average person in an average lifetime

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Speaker 1: to introduce one of the most exceptional people on the

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Speaker 1: planet and for us to be able to have a

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Speaker 1: discussion about this moment, about the crisis, about the nature

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Speaker 1: of the crisis, and about the strategy of how to

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Speaker 1: navigate through it. And so welcome Gary casper Off. And

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Speaker 1: let me start out by just asking you to explain

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Speaker 1: the mission of the next Move and to tell everybody

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Speaker 1: who's listening where they can find you and what the

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Speaker 1: mission of that publication is, which I think is essential reading.

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Speaker 2: Steve, thank you very much for having me here and

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Speaker 2: for mentioning the Next Move is a subsec album that

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Speaker 2: I started with by organization the Renewed Democracy Initiative. The

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Speaker 2: bottom line is very simple. Idea of the Next Move

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Speaker 2: is to lay down the strategy, actually to discuss the strategy,

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Speaker 2: and the motto of our publication is stop whining, start winning.

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Speaker 2: It's time to understand the nature of the crisis, why

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Speaker 2: we're in the midst of such a crisis, not just

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Speaker 2: domestic but international, and how.

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Speaker 3: We can get out of here.

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Speaker 2: And it's not just, you know it simply criticizing Trump

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Speaker 2: and Trump chronics, but understanding the nature of the threat,

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Speaker 2: which I believe is an existential threat to the American.

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Speaker 3: Republic and democracy worldwide.

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Speaker 2: But also finding resources, I mean finding concepts and strategy,

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Speaker 2: how to you know, build something more adequate, how to

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Speaker 2: adjust American democracy, American Republic to the realities of the

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Speaker 2: twenty first century.

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Speaker 1: So let's get into it straight away and talk about strategy.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with what is strategy.

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Speaker 3: Uh, it's very easy to make strategy and tactics.

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Speaker 2: So in one of my books How Life iMedia Chairs,

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Speaker 2: I tried to come up with something, you know, quite

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Speaker 2: unconventional as a tactics is knowing what to do when

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Speaker 2: there's something to do.

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Speaker 3: Strategy is knowing what to do when there's nothing to do.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it's it's kind of an exaggeration, but basically,

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Speaker 2: strategy is according to to to the thinkers, uh strategic thinkers,

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Speaker 2: it's it's about the impact of your actions today, so

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Speaker 2: how the future will respond to your actions today. And

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Speaker 2: strategy is something that you know, you just have to

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Speaker 2: you know, lay down and then to use tactical tools

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Speaker 2: to support it. So again it's this from the times

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Speaker 2: of Zuo Zoo, so this is this is ancient China.

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Speaker 2: So the the the distinction between strategy and tactics was

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Speaker 2: a fundamental element of a successful decision maker because it's

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Speaker 2: so easy to call whatever you do strategy without actually

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Speaker 2: laying down a proper strategy that could improve, dramatically improve

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Speaker 2: your chance for success. And I think now we're at

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Speaker 2: the point where just instead of these tactical scourishes and saying, okay,

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Speaker 2: have too many things that we can say, we concentrate

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Speaker 2: on something which is more strategic, because it's again it's

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Speaker 2: about winning, and winning doesn't mean that we can get

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Speaker 2: everything we want. Winning is let me use the chess analogy.

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Speaker 2: It's basically to solving the most important problem. And when

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Speaker 2: you're king in game of chess, it's under the threat

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Speaker 2: of being mated. You don't think about a long term impacts,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the endgame. So it's right now you

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Speaker 2: have to make sure that you defend your position and

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Speaker 2: build the foundation of future attack.

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Speaker 1: So let me lay out a couple of things. And

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Speaker 1: if there's any premise garbage and garbage out, any garbage

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Speaker 1: that I put into my premise, I want you to

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Speaker 1: call call me out on it. But this is this

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Speaker 1: is how I see the situation, and I think it

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Speaker 1: starts with being able to observe and orient to the

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Speaker 1: precise moment, this moment in time, in space, what's happening

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Speaker 1: the aggressor, by nature of being the aggressor has first

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Speaker 1: lest something very valuable valuabill be law. So in this moment,

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Speaker 1: how do you assess the strategic situation. Do you agree

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Speaker 1: that Trump has the first mover advantage, has the aggressor

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Speaker 1: advantage that the opposition, such as it is, if it

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Speaker 1: and unformed state, there's certainly a lot of organic protests

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Speaker 1: how do you assess this moment in the status of

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Speaker 1: Trump's aggression, which I imagine you consider to be increasing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I made differ with you here because I think

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Speaker 2: the idea of Trump being an aggressor and making the

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Speaker 2: first term. But he is back. So I think we

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Speaker 2: should understand why the person with so many flaws and

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to be diplomatic, with so many flaws that

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Speaker 2: everybody was aware of, succeeded in rallying more than half

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Speaker 2: of Americans behind him second time. And actually his second

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Speaker 2: performance in elections wasn't even better than the first one,

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Speaker 2: so that tells us that the conditions you know, were

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Speaker 2: nearly perfect to him. And how come it means the

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Speaker 2: opposition actually that at that time not opposition, but those

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Speaker 2: who power created these conditions for him were a lot

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Speaker 2: of people. And with no doubt that Trump's core support

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Speaker 2: a maga support. I don't know you you are much

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Speaker 2: better experts on this field, but I would be very

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Speaker 2: surprised if with more than thirty percent, a lot of

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Speaker 2: people voted for Trump, because the rest was worse. So

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Speaker 2: we should take into the account that right now he's

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Speaker 2: there because many policies that he advocated, not intending to

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Speaker 2: carry through, but advocating for and being associated with, they

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Speaker 2: have been neglected by Democrats, by by Biden administration, by

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Speaker 2: by Harris's campaign, and by Democratic Party at large. So

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Speaker 2: it's very important for us to actually to analyze the

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Speaker 2: reasons of Trump's comeback and also to understand how we

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Speaker 2: can fight back by creating a coalition, a big tent.

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Speaker 2: So to recognize that we can't attack, you know, just

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Speaker 2: the directions. They ideal is just you know, you find

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Speaker 2: the weakest spot in Trump's you know, called political armor,

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Speaker 2: his shield and we attack there. And I think this

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Speaker 2: is not about Trump's policies, though we may disagree with many.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the bite more likely about the tools

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Speaker 2: he has been using. That's where we can build a college,

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Speaker 2: and that's of defending constitution. The tools that Trump has

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Speaker 2: been using, the political machinations, they most of them are

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Speaker 2: partly unconstitutioned. So it's not you know, wasting our energy

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Speaker 2: or investing our energy, just apology debating what Dodge did

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Speaker 2: here and there, cut these funds or abolished another agency. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I disagree with many things they have been doing, but

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Speaker 2: the key is that Dodge is unconstitutional. Let's not here

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Speaker 2: where we are in the agreement. It's let's not them

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Speaker 2: to dictate the narrative, because the moment you start debating

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Speaker 2: the policies, we are in a very slippery ground.

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Speaker 3: Because immigration, yes, a lot of people agree.

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Speaker 2: With cutting the buttyt yes, blow the bureaucracy. So let's

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Speaker 2: not debate things where we cannot build a coalition that

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Speaker 2: to depart drump Let's consider on something where many people agree.

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Speaker 2: The actions of this administration in many instances simply unconstitutional

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Speaker 2: and defending constitution. I think we create a very powerful

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I want to I want to kind of

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Speaker 1: So when I listen to you, I agree with you

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Speaker 1: substantially and largely. But but if we're sitting around in

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Speaker 1: why Donald Trump won.

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Speaker 4: Is a waste of time.

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Speaker 1: Is that we are where we are, and that for

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Speaker 1: me write this notion that each day is a new

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Speaker 1: of the reason we have arrived at this at this moment.

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Speaker 1: But what do you say to the necessity of understanding

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Speaker 1: the reason for the loss? And I can explain it

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Speaker 1: issue because I called for Biden to be a one

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Speaker 1: say he's not capable of doing this. That there's a disaster.

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Speaker 1: at the core level is Joe Biden used the threat

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump to justify his candidacy at age seventy eight,

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Speaker 1: saying I'm the only candidate who can beat him because

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Speaker 1: I beat him once before. In any talk of me

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Speaker 1: not running again is dangerous and it helps Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: when in fact, Donald Trump beat the only candidate who

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Speaker 1: the Democrats nominated who could conceivably have lost to him,

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Speaker 1: and the Democratic Party lost on fundamental questions of honesty

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Speaker 1: the economy, honesty about the border, honesty about Biden's fitness,

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Speaker 1: So I think it's essential to confront that because you

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Speaker 1: new day. But you have to have the funeral first,

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Speaker 1: and you have to acknowledge how it is you lost

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Speaker 1: a campaign to the greatest liar in American history, and

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Speaker 4: So just a strategic matter.

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Speaker 1: What do you say to the people who say we

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Speaker 1: a fundamental issue moving forward.

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Speaker 4: That requires, in the end, what's a character.

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Speaker 1: Test for people who want to lead, to tell the

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Speaker 2: Here when in total agreement, because okay, chess player is speaking,

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Speaker 2: you can't lay down the strategy. You can't work it

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Speaker 2: out unless you understand why you lost, recognizing the your shortcomings,

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Speaker 2: the wrong moves you made in our cases, not our moves,

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Speaker 2: but the moves made by those who were leading on

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Speaker 2: our side. So it's absolutely fundamental, it's paramount to move

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Speaker 2: into the future. And again, it was Trump's second victory.

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Speaker 2: He was coming back, and you're absolutely right, Trump was

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Speaker 2: or actually the cohorts surrounding him trying to tell us,

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Speaker 2: it was the opposite. Biden won because he was not Trump,

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Speaker 2: and you know, as a one term president, his only president,

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Speaker 2: the only real goal of his presidency was to save

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Speaker 2: us from Donald Trump, so to offer us normalization. So instead,

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Speaker 2: But the worst thing he did, actually he didn't, is

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Speaker 2: not to step down and let Democratic Party to have

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Speaker 2: normal primaries. Because I think that's why Trump won the

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Speaker 2: Economy, absolutely, but I still believe the constitutional factors are

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Speaker 2: three need three Republicans to shift site, or you need

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Speaker 2: win these three or more or more seats. It's doable,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's very important to to to raise

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Speaker 2: the temperature to put more pressure on Republicans. They have

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Speaker 2: to feel that, you know, that's eventually they will have

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Speaker 2: to make a choice between loyal to Trump and their voters.

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Speaker 2: That's why everything that is happening on the floor of

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Speaker 2: the House or on the floor of the Senate. It's

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Speaker 2: absolutely it's it's the most important action now. And that's

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Speaker 2: why I'm very reluctant.

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Speaker 4: How to.

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Speaker 2: Suggest that the Democrats should look for a new for

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Speaker 2: a candidate for twenty twenty eight. You cannot jump over

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Speaker 2: because looking for a leader for twenty twenty eight means division.

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00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: Now we need unity because we have to again take

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Speaker 2: the levels of power in twenty twenty six. If Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump controls the House after twenty twenty six elections, mitermal elections,

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Speaker 2: I think we can forget about twenty twenty eight. They

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Speaker 2: will never ratify whatever result is. So keys twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: This is our project, and it's a project of guaranteeing

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Speaker 2: that America will enjoy, will have a privilege of having

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Speaker 2: free and fare elections. And I can tell you that

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Speaker 2: they will do absolutely everything to control the process in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. That's why now we have to build

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Speaker 2: the momentum. And every time the Democrats, like Congressans Law

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Speaker 2: or others expose these lies, demonstrate that the members of

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Speaker 2: Trump administration is a nominees prefer loyalty, you know, blund

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Speaker 2: loyalty to Trump, to facts, to truths, to the interest

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Speaker 2: of American people that's gold.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's really important that there be an

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Speaker 1: organization that lifts up what I would say, or the

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Speaker 1: fighting Democrats. And I'll give you a couple of names

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Speaker 1: of people that I think are are important in this moment.

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Speaker 1: Chris Murphy from Connecticut in the United States in it Uh,

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Speaker 1: Cory Booker uh from the United States Senate. There's a

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Speaker 1: governor candidate in New Jersey who I think will be elected,

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Speaker 1: Mikey Sheryl Abigail Spanberger in Virginia, Joscelyn Benson in Michigan.

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Speaker 4: You have Jason Crow born to Colorado.

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Speaker 1: You have Jake Auchincloss from the state of Massachusetts. Uh.

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Speaker 4: You have a wide.

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Speaker 1: Range of younger candidates and members of Congress. AOC is

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Speaker 1: out there, but right you know to what you were

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Speaker 1: saying earlier, you know, to I see a person saying AOC, yes,

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Speaker 1: a leader. But if you have a huge rally where

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Speaker 1: there's huge cheers that go up when the Palestinian flag

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Speaker 1: is thrown over the American flag, I'm not on board

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Speaker 1: with that, everybody, and I'm not getting in line. And

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Speaker 1: you can have ten thousand people or one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand people at that rally, shouting me down and

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Speaker 1: shouting a lot of people in the country down, which

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Speaker 1: is one of the lessons from four years ago, when

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Speaker 1: people tried to talk about the obvious but got shouted down,

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Speaker 1: shouted down on the cable news show, shouted down in

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Speaker 1: the congressional caucuses, shouted down everywhere. So all the people

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Speaker 1: who were great at shouting down, I would suggest that

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Speaker 1: Gary Kasparov is right about that that listening right is

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Speaker 1: an important skill in politics. More listening, less talking. And

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Speaker 1: so in a coalition right that's gonna come together in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, it means winning seats in places like

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Speaker 1: Montana that may not be up for the agenda of

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Socialists who were popular in Brookes.

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Speaker 4: In the Bronx.

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Speaker 1: And the problem is that you have a fair number

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Speaker 1: of people that want to impose what is someone's belief

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Speaker 1: here but doesn't really fit over here. And there's a

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Speaker 1: word for that, and the word is intolerance.

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Speaker 4: And so the.

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party has an intolerance problem for a broad perspective

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Speaker 1: of American opinion that can agree that we want to

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Speaker 1: live in a free country under the US Constitution. And

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Speaker 1: so that's the coalition that's got to come together. But

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Speaker 1: my question is, how do you give expression to the

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Speaker 1: voices of millions? Right when the leadership of the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 1: with all of their power, walks into a room and

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Speaker 1: points at Chuck Schumer and it says, that's our guy, because

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Speaker 1: for example, he doesn't inspire me, and I don't want

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Speaker 1: to follow him anywhere, and I don't want to burn

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Speaker 1: any money giving him more more of it to misspend

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Speaker 1: on an election. So what what do we do? What's

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Speaker 1: the nature of the problem is we think about in

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Speaker 1: opposition that can be meaningful in twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Look, one of the Trump's problems is is age. How

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Speaker 2: can you go after Trump with his age if you

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Speaker 2: have Schumer and Pelosia around. So, for God's sake, I

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Speaker 2: grew up in the Soviet Union, and we had so

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Speaker 2: many jokes about our Polyburo, But the average age of

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Speaker 2: Brezlu's Polyburo.

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Speaker 3: Was under sixty eight years.

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Speaker 2: When Gorricho was was elected Polyburo, he was just forty nine.

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Speaker 2: So Breziev died, you know, at seventy five. And it says,

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Speaker 2: so it's it's and we again we were making jokes,

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Speaker 2: you know, that says, look at these people. That's ald.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, of course medicine is better now it's American

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Speaker 2: and Soviet Union. But still, you know, it's just if

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Speaker 2: we want to expose Trump, so we have to bring

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Speaker 2: new people in. So yes, we Chack Schumer and Nancy Pilosi,

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Speaker 2: you know, just just okay now for us is not

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Speaker 2: officially a leader, but we know who's calling the show.

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Speaker 2: So we need new names, new faces, fresh blood. You

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Speaker 2: mentioned many of them, they're just you know, just some

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Speaker 2: of them under fifty. Some of them does over fifty.

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Speaker 2: But that's what's needed. The Democratic Party has to go

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Speaker 2: through also renewal. And it's it's too slow. It says

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Speaker 2: they don't want to go away. So it's this, it's wrong.

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Speaker 2: It is wrong. And again it's it's you can't convince people,

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Speaker 2: but if you have the same faces around, you have

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Speaker 2: to show that it's a new party, whether this two

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Speaker 2: party system is still functioning properly. It's it's a big

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Speaker 2: open question or right now, we don't have time to

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Speaker 2: build a third party. But Democrats must recognize that, you know,

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Speaker 2: just it's it's their last chance to rebuild. It's you know,

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Speaker 2: it's the whole structure and to and to come up

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Speaker 2: with a big coalition. And also just if you look

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Speaker 2: at the most successful Democratic presidents, so just you know,

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Speaker 2: uh back, so that's in the twentieth century. You have

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Speaker 2: two governors, Okay, Obama is a separate story, but Clinton

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Speaker 2: and Corto, so there's two two Democrats who are who

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Speaker 2: are governors in the Red States. So you just have

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Speaker 2: to look for different kind of a candidate. And again

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Speaker 2: is it possible. Yes, absolutely. You can mention Shapiro, you

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Speaker 2: can mention Bishar. I mean you have a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: You can look for, some top you know, military brass

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Speaker 2: so like Admiral mccraven, some great people that could inspire confidence.

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Speaker 2: And also to be patriotic, we should not let Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump and and and his chron is to run on

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Speaker 2: the campaign of American patrioges. It's not America first, it's

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump first. But in order to expose it, just

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Speaker 2: to show that it's it's it's just words and nothing

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Speaker 2: behind it, we need to offer a proper alternative that

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Speaker 2: will inspire people and will make Trump look bad.

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Speaker 4: So there are.

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Speaker 1: Two institutions right that have outsized impoortance that the American

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Speaker 1: people get a vote on. One is in the US Senate,

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Speaker 1: one is the US House, and in a perfect world,

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Speaker 1: both of them are held by Democratic control. Part of

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Speaker 1: the problem is that in the US Senate, Democrats have

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Speaker 1: disinvested over forty years from eighty percent of the landmass

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Speaker 1: of the country. And the consequence of that is that

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Speaker 1: we have states that the Democratic Party relates to as

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Speaker 1: if they're not part of the United States, like, for example, Iowa,

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Speaker 1: where Jony Ernst, for one hundred and fifty seven different reasons,

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Speaker 1: should be a very eminently beatable candidate because of her

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Speaker 1: many hypocrisies. But put her aside for a second. That

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Speaker 1: as a strategic matter, right, if there's one lifeboat and

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Speaker 1: you can only save the House or the Senate, all.

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Speaker 4: The senators are going to drown. And we're going to.

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Speaker 1: Try to save the House because that is the more

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Speaker 1: inviting hill to climb and to take and to seize.

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Speaker 1: And the House right, which has a very narrow MAGA majority,

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Speaker 1: is vulnerable to falling. And so when you look at

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Speaker 1: the when you look at the House right in taking

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Speaker 1: it in twenty twenty six, the campaign committee that will

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Speaker 1: control the majority of the funding and the strategy is

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Speaker 1: run by the same people who've run it every year

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Speaker 1: and are the architects at a disaster in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: So when you think about the strategy, the moment which

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Speaker 1: seems to me is that you need people right to

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Speaker 1: run in these districts. Is either Democrats right or independence right?

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Speaker 1: And I say Democrats because we have a two party system,

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Speaker 1: and that's a vehicle, like a car.

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Speaker 4: It's better to be in the car than the horse

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Speaker 4: and buggy.

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Speaker 1: But could run as an independent in some of them

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Speaker 1: as well, but that there has to be a grassroots

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Speaker 1: movement that gives weight and support or creates a counterweight

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Speaker 1: to these Washington DC committees to support ordinary people who

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Speaker 1: will go to Washington to set things right. Because if

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Speaker 1: you can't do that, I don't know how you create

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Speaker 1: the critical mass right to have an alternative that offers

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Speaker 1: better because in the end, right the election of two

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Speaker 1: rival gangs in a competitive cycle of retribution against one another,

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Speaker 1: only it creates to the benefit of the fascist in

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Speaker 1: this case, which is the stronger and dominant genetic side

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Speaker 1: of the American character in this debate. We'll never have

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Speaker 1: a dictatorship of the far left in the United States.

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Speaker 1: We'll have a fascist government, right in response to the

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Speaker 1: fear of a far left dictatorship, which is part of

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Speaker 1: the understanding of Trump's propaganda that's probably missing in a

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Speaker 1: lot of the media.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's let you said many things and I just

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Speaker 2: let you start, you know, just taking one by one,

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Speaker 2: because some of the things are very, very important, and

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Speaker 2: they're strategically important, they're historically important. Let's start with what

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Speaker 2: you said about Magia majority. There is no Magi majority.

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Speaker 2: Maga never never has majority of the country have I

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Speaker 2: don't know, thirty thirty five percent. But the arrest of

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Speaker 2: the majority for GOP comes from people who believe this

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Speaker 2: is a lesser evil because if we look at the

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Speaker 2: history and again.

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Speaker 3: You made historical reference.

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Speaker 2: So Maga fascism, I mean far right populism, authoritarianism always

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Speaker 2: came after the left as the.

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Speaker 3: Response to this threat from the latter.

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Speaker 2: First communists, then fast but historically the fastest.

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Speaker 3: Fraction of the society was always bigger. It's easier for people.

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Speaker 2: They say, law in order so that the communism is

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Speaker 2: too many fantasies. So Maga Vogue is about the same

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Speaker 2: the same correlations as Nazi communists in the Environment Republic.

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Speaker 2: So Maggie is thirty percent, Vocu is fifteen percent. Mad

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Speaker 2: always wins bits vog, but Maddy is not a majority.

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Speaker 2: It's very important for us not to let Mother.

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Speaker 3: Use vogue to get to majority.

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Speaker 2: So when we look at at the composition of the

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Speaker 2: House or the Senate, Mody is not there, just dominating.

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Speaker 2: Maggie is terrorizing the rest. And they, okay, they're covers.

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Speaker 2: They don't know how to grow the spine. But senators

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Speaker 2: that you mentioned, I mean, I'm sure Errands she tried

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Speaker 2: to or she said she would maybe vote against hexas,

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Speaker 2: but they're terrorized. When Elon Mask says I would spend

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Speaker 2: ten million dollars for the primary, and because of Jerrymindering,

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Speaker 2: we know that primary in many states, in many congressional districts,

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Speaker 2: they simply decide the outcome of the elections. So they're terrorists.

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Speaker 2: They don't know how to fight against. So we have

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Speaker 2: various options, actually two strategies here. What is we could say, okay, fine,

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Speaker 2: so let's you know, let's create you know, an organization

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Speaker 2: that could protect the vulnerable Republicans, saying if Mask raises

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Speaker 2: ten million, we can match it with and we'll bring money.

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Speaker 2: But you have to But On one condition. You vote

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Speaker 2: for a conscience, not for the country, not for the part.

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Speaker 2: Again that's questionable. Second Onaleleage, make sure that they own it.

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Speaker 2: You go after them. Yes, Iowa is not a.

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Speaker 3: Blue state, it's not even a purple state.

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Speaker 2: But Erranst is vulnerable and of course, you know the economy,

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Speaker 2: as you mentioned, could be a factor. But make sure

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Speaker 2: that people in the states, whether it's Iowa Ernst she

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Speaker 2: is running for.

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Speaker 3: The actions twenty twenty sixth, whether.

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Speaker 2: It is still is North Carolina, that's much closer that purpose.

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Speaker 2: What is cornin in Texas? It's also not to one side.

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Speaker 2: It's fifty three forty seven. Typically they split there. It's

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Speaker 2: not red state yet. So make sure that people know

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Speaker 2: that those are not Trump tariffs, but airth stariffs, kill

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Speaker 2: Is stariffs, Hornon tariffs. Every time you have a scandal,

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Speaker 2: it's not oh Donald Trump nominated and a point and

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Speaker 2: pushed through hexcess who are just you know, as a

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Speaker 2: joke as ahead of the od Errs voted for him,

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Speaker 2: kill Is voted for him, Hordon voted for him. Let

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Speaker 2: make them own it. And of course you can do

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Speaker 2: the same with members of the House. And then maybe

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Speaker 2: at one point they'll start scratching their heads and just thinking, oh,

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Speaker 2: God knows, you have little mask and Trump on one side,

675
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Speaker 2: but you have voters on the other side. So it's

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Speaker 2: about combined pressure. As of today, I don't see any

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Speaker 2: any any strategy that could lead to to forcing these Republicans,

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Speaker 2: vulnerable Republicans to reconsider their bland load to Trump, which

679
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Speaker 2: is very much based on on on terror and and

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Speaker 2: and their fear and lack of you know, of civil

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Speaker 2: pacific courage to defend the country against the narrow party interest.

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Speaker 1: So I think that there's two lines that that matter

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Speaker 1: in this to be right, and most of the attention

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Speaker 1: is on the line to the front, which is that

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Speaker 1: place where Maga meets the rest of us and and

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Speaker 1: and in front of us right is the Democratic Congress

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Speaker 1: led by led by Chuck Schumer, And I think there

688
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Speaker 1: has to be a line drawn behind them that is

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Speaker 1: reminiscent of Marshall Stylin's order uh as Stalingrad, which is

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Speaker 1: not one more step backwards or nine two. Yes, there's

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Speaker 1: and so I mean this in the sense that there's

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Speaker 1: a lack of fear of Democrats by the Democratic leaders

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Speaker 1: at the expense of the fear they feel towards MAGA

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Speaker 1: and and that's how to be inversed and the expectation

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Speaker 1: reset that there's an expectation that you don't give an

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Speaker 1: inch here. And so from a strategic perspective, right, Wait,

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Speaker 1: if you were to walk in a room and talk

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Speaker 1: to these people, I think the first thing to express.

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Speaker 4: To them, right and I want to talk about how it?

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Speaker 4: How it?

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Speaker 1: What's the best way to communicate this? Right, because there's

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Speaker 1: there's platforms that can aggregate many millions of us.

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Speaker 4: This yours, and it's and it's and it's.

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Speaker 1: This is that the moment requires a maximalist response in

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Speaker 1: the use of the Article one paw hours of the Constitution,

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Speaker 1: which is a coequal branch of government to say no.

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Speaker 4: And to stop and.

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Speaker 1: To assert all powers twenty four hours a day, seven

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Speaker 1: days a week, make every second of every minute of

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Speaker 1: every hour as painful as it is possible to make

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Speaker 1: it to get anything done, while simultaneously demanding demanding the

712
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Speaker 1: immediate accounting for all of our data which has been seized, stolen, hijacked,

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Speaker 1: and sold to whom and where God knows, but a

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Speaker 1: demand that this happened and the use of power righteously asserted,

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Speaker 1: to demand that these things happen, and to put it

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Speaker 1: before the voters, and to put everything under a frame

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Speaker 1: of right and wrong, and to insist that in this

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Speaker 1: country then we follow the constitution right. And I think

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Speaker 1: you can't make that argument without accompanying it with the

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Speaker 1: maximalist approach, because Trump is heading to a place where

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Speaker 1: he will assert the powers of the state against the

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Speaker 1: right of dissent before very much longer.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, but you have to understand that this is an

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Speaker 2: existential threat. The existential threat. And I think a lot

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Speaker 2: of people we just just talked about it thirty minutes ago,

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Speaker 2: they think that, okay, twenty twenty six will somehow they

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Speaker 2: will regulate the balance and the voters will see it

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Speaker 2: and they will shift, you know, from Drum back to Democrats. Ah,

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Speaker 2: it's not going to be automatic. So we have to

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Speaker 2: fight every day. And unfortunately, you know, looking at Schumer

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Speaker 2: or just other Democrats, they don't inspire confidence. So they're

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Speaker 2: not fighting there. They just play the same games. This

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Speaker 2: is not the same game. This is not about you know,

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Speaker 2: making concessions here negotiating. You don't negotiate with those who

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Speaker 2: want to abandon the Constitution and whatever the hiding gigs is.

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Speaker 2: The Congress now just under definitely the House under leadership

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Speaker 2: of Johnson, I don't know, cannot call leadership. So it's

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Speaker 2: now turned into just into an extension of executive office

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Speaker 2: and Center Tune also shows very little sign of independence.

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Speaker 2: So we just have to demand that you know, it's

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Speaker 2: an equal branch of power of the government. Actually it's

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Speaker 2: a it's an Article one of the Constitution. You have

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Speaker 2: to remind them every day. Just made them feel uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: That's what Trump has been doing. And he was very

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Speaker 2: good at that. He's still good at that. And they

746
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Speaker 2: put pressure all the time, all the time. And the

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Speaker 2: another side again it says, yeah, maybe it's thought wrongs forget,

748
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Speaker 2: maybe it's THEMN wrong. You know, it's a corruption, it's

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Speaker 2: a blatant corruption. Yes, absolutely, it's very important to find

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Speaker 2: courage to say yes. Unfortunately, we had previous administration that

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Speaker 2: was not clear on these issues, neither on moral issues

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Speaker 2: nor on con corruption. But again it's it's it's in

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Speaker 2: the past, yes, guilty, as has charged, but look at

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Speaker 2: here and what's happening those who are shouting about hunter.

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Speaker 2: Biden received fifty thousand dollars a months from Ukrainian company. Okay, fine,

756
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Speaker 2: you got it. How about Jared Kushta receiving two billion dollars.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about those who are in power today. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: as it says, yes, I see him by a big

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Speaker 2: r now going around. Now, how about you know the

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Speaker 2: what's wrong you know with Trump receiving this this mega jet,

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Speaker 2: you know of one hundred million dollars, while many American

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Speaker 2: universities who are known for their aunt Israeli, you know,

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Speaker 2: Proma's position, received tons of money from Qatar. The answer

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Speaker 2: is the institute. These institutions, these colleges, they're private. I

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Speaker 2: disagree with what they're doing. I think it's wrong to

766
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Speaker 2: one of Qatar, but they cannot tax me, you me others.

767
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Speaker 2: They cannot you know, subsidize, They cannot, you know, interfere

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Speaker 2: with our lives. If I don't want my kid to

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Speaker 2: go there, just to Harvard, it can go to Colombia

770
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Speaker 2: or whatever. So we still have a choice in this country.

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Speaker 2: But we don't have a choice if we have a

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Speaker 2: government that is openly receiving bribes from foreign powers, and

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Speaker 2: it is this government has power over our lives, whether

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Speaker 2: it's taxes, whether it's a lot, I mean just it's

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Speaker 2: a very long list, especially with those like Pambondi and

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Speaker 2: cash Ptel are very prevalent with with with the law

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Speaker 2: and application of the one.

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Speaker 1: The most egregious person who appears before the Congress is Christy.

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Speaker 4: Know and i've i've i've h I'm an alumni of

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Speaker 4: the staff.

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Speaker 3: But I think this is a very tough competition.

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Speaker 5: Right right, There's there's a bunch of them right that

783
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Speaker 5: are all competing for the podium and and I and

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Speaker 5: I wanted to conclude this last couple of minutes to

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Speaker 5: role play with.

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Speaker 1: You a little bit and imagine this scenario, uh that

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Speaker 1: we are special government employees of the Committee's staff, and

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Speaker 1: we're we're walking back into the chambers in the back

789
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Speaker 1: of the committee room, right in the privates space is

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Speaker 1: to talk about what's just just went on. And honestly,

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Speaker 1: I've been there, I've I've had these experiences in my

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Speaker 1: in my career, and typically I don't find myself at

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Speaker 1: a at a loss of words to say, but when

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Speaker 1: it when it comes to Christy Nome, I'm genuinely at

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Speaker 1: a loss of words. And I and I would begin

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Speaker 1: the conversation. I said, well, Gary, what what do we

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Speaker 1: what do we ask her on the next round here?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: Because obviously right, I asked her what the color blue

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Speaker 1: looks like? Right? And I hold up right blue dot,

801
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Speaker 1: red dot. She's gonna tell me to go fuck myself

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Speaker 1: in in so many words, and Trump loves it. And right,

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Speaker 1: I have a uh statuary responsibility, constitutional responsibility, right, and

804
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Speaker 1: and I have the power to to over cite her.

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Speaker 1: And she refuses, right to answer a question, refuses to

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Speaker 1: show any respect to the elected representatives of the American people,

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Speaker 1: just full on uh impersonator right of of either a

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Speaker 1: cult follower or think of her as what what do

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Speaker 1: you do?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: And the next questioning with somebody who brings in the

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Speaker 1: attitude of a cash patel, who brings in the attitude

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Speaker 1: of a of a Christie numb I mean, she's involved

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Speaker 1: romantically with Corey Lewandowski.

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Speaker 4: It's an open affair. It's an open secret.

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Speaker 1: It's been reported in dozens of media around the world.

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Speaker 1: They live across from each other, of course, taxpayers or

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Speaker 1: subsidizing that. I would ask her about that, right for

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Speaker 1: five minutes. But but there has to be an approach, right,

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Speaker 1: that confronts the animus with the appropriate level of reciprocal something.

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Speaker 1: How do you think about that confrontation, Because the meaning

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Speaker 1: of these confrontations is going to increase as the level

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Speaker 1: of confrontation and aggression of the administration increases, right, so

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Speaker 1: she will only be strengthened right in the service of

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Speaker 1: the lie as this as this goes, as this goes forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm yeah.

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Speaker 3: The let's say that the Steve.

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Speaker 2: Every administration before Trump also could be caught on a

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Speaker 2: line whether a lies and lies. But this it's not

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00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 2: just about lies, about contempt. They just you know, they lie,

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Speaker 2: They know that we know they're lying, and they take

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Speaker 2: prid of it because it's not about responding to American people.

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Speaker 2: So in this case to representsive American people, which means

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Speaker 2: talking to the nation that elected uh uh uh uh

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Speaker 2: this representatives. But it's it's it's a show for one

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Speaker 2: man only to show loyalty and is arrogant. So they

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Speaker 2: also want to be very arrogant. So and they believe

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Speaker 2: they can stop answering questions, they can show the contempt,

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Speaker 2: they can just you know, laugh, you know, just at

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Speaker 2: our faces. Even if they've been caught with with with

841
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Speaker 2: with their lies. I mean, for instance, Cash Pattel, I

842
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Speaker 2: mean we know he was a special consultant for Qatar,

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Speaker 2: for the governor of Qatar. We still don't know how

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Speaker 2: much money he got from Qatar and what he has

845
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Speaker 2: been doing with Katar. So it's this is it's an

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Speaker 2: every director is it's it's known for being a consultant

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Speaker 2: for mainsponts of terrorism and we don't.

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Speaker 3: Agent somehow everything goes to Qatar.

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Speaker 2: So but you know, it's this.

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Speaker 3: We don't have power to force them to answer.

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Speaker 2: And again it's about levers of power the Republicans, they

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Speaker 2: control the House. Yes, it's only three three three votes,

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Speaker 2: but so far I don't see we're going to get

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Speaker 2: three votes. I believe that psychologically, knowing these kind of people,

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Speaker 2: there will be no three Republican shifting sites. They will

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Speaker 2: be thirty or or none. So's it's not three four.

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Speaker 2: They should be a big bunch of them. And now,

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Speaker 2: following what you have you just said ten minutes ago,

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Speaker 2: you have to put pressure on them. They have to

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Speaker 2: know that the oldest that every lie that is being

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Speaker 2: said there it's part of them and and them you know,

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Speaker 2: being covers not you know, not fulfilling their responsibilities, escaping,

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Speaker 2: you know, or just running away from the town halls,

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Speaker 2: it will harm them. They'll pay the price for it.

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Speaker 2: So they have to know that not far away, very soon,

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Speaker 2: they have to make a choice between blind loaded to

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump and American voters that will remember them. But

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Speaker 2: it has to be campaigned, should be on a daily basis.

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Speaker 2: It should have energy. Energy is very important. That's that's

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Speaker 2: how Trump and Advance fan because they had energy, and

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Speaker 2: looking at Harris and Voltz there was no energy. So

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Speaker 2: it's very important that we show that this energy to

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Speaker 2: fight for what is right, and you don't get it

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Speaker 2: with Sugar Colossi and the rest.

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Speaker 1: So I think that when you look ahead, how do

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Speaker 1: you see the summer unfurling? Take us into the future here,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's always that day.

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Speaker 4: In the fall.

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Speaker 1: Comes in late September October, where you know, summer is

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Speaker 1: over right, the autumn here we be in autumn as

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Speaker 1: a country.

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Speaker 2: Look, Trump is in office for less than four months,

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Speaker 2: less than four months, so that's why we are not

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Speaker 2: talking about years.

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Speaker 3: We're not talking about months.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about every week, if not every day, that

887
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Speaker 2: can change the uh, the evaluations and Donald Trump shows

888
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 2: no sign of slowing down. So's let's he's doubling down

889
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 2: every day, every week. So what do I expect is

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Speaker 2: that it's very likely that Supreme Court will tell hard

891
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Speaker 2: now to Trump on one of the issues. I guess

892
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Speaker 2: there are many cases, dozens and dozens of casesrey there.

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01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 2: They will not look at all of them, but lay'll

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Speaker 2: take a few of them, and maybe on the burths

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Speaker 2: rights citizens burst rights. Maybe on some other cases there

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Speaker 2: will be no Now the moment Trump faces Supreme Court

897
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Speaker 2: an quivocable no he what he will do. Likely he'll

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Speaker 2: tell go to hell. It's again, it's maybe. But if

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Speaker 2: the moment comes when Trump defies open Supreme Court, which

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Speaker 2: I think it's I don't know likely, call it fifty

901
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Speaker 2: to fifty, then we are going just straight into the

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Speaker 2: depths of the constitutional crisis, because Supreme Court has to

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Speaker 2: ask Congress, the House, and the Senate to respond. And

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Speaker 2: I believe in this case, Johnson and June will run

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Speaker 2: to the White House begging Trump to reconsider, and there's

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Speaker 2: a good chance Trump will tell and also go to help,

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Speaker 2: and then we are, you know, just it's digging deeper

908
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: and deeper in the constitutional Crisis Insurrection Act. Trump contemplated

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Speaker 2: it back in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: with sexes in charge, Cash, Battel, and Bondy, So I

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01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 2: don't know or no him who will stop him from

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Speaker 2: doing such things. And don't forget Trump has few international

913
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Speaker 2: claims Greenland, Panama, maybe in Mexico. He already mentioned that

914
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Speaker 2: you could go off the Cortels. Uh, okay, let's set

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Speaker 2: aside Canada for a moment. Greenland, Panama and potential person

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Speaker 2: as Cortels, those things that might be very much on

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Speaker 2: Trump's agenda in the next three four months. So that's

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Speaker 2: why I think the summer could be very, very hot.

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Speaker 2: And if economy is not improving, though I don't think

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Speaker 2: it will be as as tragic as you describe. So

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Speaker 2: we may see some serious clashes. And again I think

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Speaker 2: this year might be you know, a very a very

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Speaker 2: important one, not decisive one, but definitely next year, next year,

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Speaker 2: that's that should be all goal we have to have.

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Speaker 2: An our aim is to make sure that by the

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Speaker 2: beginning of next year they will be powerful coalition that

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Speaker 2: will send a clear message, a very distinct message to.

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Speaker 3: Every Republican in the House.

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Speaker 2: Uh in a in the Senate, I said, every GP member,

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Speaker 2: not not the sell the mugget, but those who still

931
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 2: you know, have roomful when you that they have to choose,

932
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Speaker 2: and if they make a wrong choice, they will be

933
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Speaker 2: kicked out, not by Master Donald Trump, but American voters.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 1: There's going to have to be a powerful coalition that

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Speaker 1: comes together that can project real strength, real power, raise

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Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars with low dollar donations, where people

938
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Speaker 1: can come together, draw a hard line and reach across

939
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Speaker 1: the country and elect people to put a stop to

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Speaker 1: the to the insanity. I just want to thank you

941
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Speaker 1: so much for joining to having a conversation that just

942
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Speaker 1: reading the comments, I think so many people fascinated to

943
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: hear you talk and really get to see how you

944
01:03:55,640 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: see the world, such an honest voice and experienced and

945
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:05,919
Speaker 1: having seen this before. One of the things that I'll

946
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Speaker 1: conclude is that we are in the two hundred and

947
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Speaker 1: fiftieth anniversary year of the founding of the United States

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Speaker 1: of America, and it's an extraordinary story. There is no

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Speaker 1: day that passes between this and July fourth of twenty

950
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Speaker 1: twenty six that does not have meaning. Right that was

951
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: not existential, when everything that was to come after wasn't

952
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:44,439
Speaker 1: just really moments away from being extinguished, when what they

953
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Speaker 1: called the cause is hopeless. And one of the one

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Speaker 1: of the stories that is commensurate to this moment is

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Speaker 1: the two hundredth anniversary of the Mark Key. The Lafayette's

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Speaker 1: farewell tour of the United States is he travels the

957
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Speaker 1: country and there's a real crisis in the country. Andrew

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Speaker 1: Jackson may or may not concede the election, which he

959
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Speaker 1: does in front of Lafayette. In New York City, Lafayette

960
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Speaker 1: visits the Harlem Free School, where his friend Alexander Hamilton

961
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Speaker 1: has played a key role in the founding. He execrates slavery,

962
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Speaker 1: and Lafayette travels the country. He really reawakens a spirit

963
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Speaker 1: in the people of gratitude, and he sails home and

964
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Speaker 1: the ship is re christened the Brandywine after the battle

965
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Speaker 1: that he bled at for America's independence, and off to

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Speaker 1: France Lafayette goes and on the two hundred and fiftieth

967
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Speaker 1: anniversary of the country will be two hundred years away

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Speaker 1: right from this moment. On the fiftieth anniversary of the

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Speaker 1: country that Adams and Jefferson who were the best of

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Speaker 1: friends and closest to partners in the cause, whose relationship

971
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Speaker 1: is torn apart by politics and difference, are reconciled in

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Speaker 1: the end, and they die hours apart on July fourth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, eighteen twenty six. In the aftermath, right,

974
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Speaker 1: two hundred years on will be twenty twenty six. And

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Speaker 1: the American people look at this event with alle right

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Speaker 1: that this can't conceivably be a coincidence. And so when

977
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Speaker 1: you look at the country and you look at the

978
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Speaker 1: two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, we have to consider, right,

979
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Speaker 1: the possibility that a new king has not appeared suddenly

980
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Speaker 1: and without accident.

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Speaker 4: Right, A proposition that's.

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Speaker 1: Not a new one is being tested again, right, And

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Speaker 1: this is this is what happens when when people get power. Right,

984
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Speaker 1: and so all of this is academic, and then one

985
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Speaker 1: day you get a Carolyn Levitt who gets a taste

986
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Speaker 1: of power, and you see the zealotry in the eyes,

987
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: and you see the gleam. Right, you see it in

988
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: all of their eyes, and you see the arrogance, and

989
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:46,919
Speaker 1: you see the taking, and you can appreciate a new

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Speaker 1: All of the warnings that have been passed down and

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Speaker 1: all of the wisdom that's been accumulated, as we see

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Speaker 1: clearly what's clearly in front of us, and and what's

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Speaker 1: in in front of us is certainly very clear. And

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Speaker 1: Gary kaspar Off helped make it clearer tonight, and I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. And Gary, I just want to hand it

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Speaker 1: over you to take us home and say good night

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Speaker 1: to everybody, and close it out with any wisdom you

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Speaker 1: might have as we move forward into another day in America,

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Speaker 1: as the sun breaks over the Cadillac Mountain off the

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Speaker 1: coast of Maine, and we have a new day ahead.

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Speaker 2: Look, you mentioned the great experiment started two hudred and

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Speaker 2: fifty years ago. And it's not only in this country

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Speaker 2: that people kept this day. Or I grew up on

1004
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Speaker 2: the other side of arm courtin and always looked at

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Speaker 2: America as a beacon of hope and a fortress of freedom.

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Speaker 2: And still even was Donald from and all the wrongdoings

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01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:49,799
Speaker 2: here in America today, still hundreds of millions, likely billions

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Speaker 2: of people still viewing America as the best hope for freedom.

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Speaker 2: So as a defender is the guardian of freedom against

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Speaker 2: tyranny in this never ending battle. And so we just

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Speaker 2: you know we have responsibility of defending it, and so

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Speaker 2: I can remind listeners about the motto of my substack,

1013
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,799
Speaker 2: the next move. Stop whinning, start winning, and the winning

1014
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Speaker 2: starts with strategy. Let's discuss it, let's find it the

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Speaker 2: best optimal strategy, and let's implement it.

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Speaker 3: And to make sure that we'll be with victorious next year.

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Speaker 1: The next move, Gary casper Off, thank you very much,

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Speaker 1: and thank you to all of you for joining. I'm

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Speaker 1: Steve Schmidt. This is the morning I invite you to

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Speaker 1: join this community where I promise to be honest, blunt

1021
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Speaker 1: and direct about what is happening in this country. America

1022
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Speaker 1: is in crisis. Follow and subscribe to this channel and

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Speaker 1: on substack.

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Speaker 4: Thank you