1 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: It's time for the b a q a A, the 2 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: b a q eight. What you say, the Big a 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: q eight with Manda, the b a q a with Today, 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: the b a q a A. It's your question answers, 5 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: you have questions, We have some of your answers. Although 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: we are not your mama, your cousin, your We are 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: your your digital friends. But we're not your attorney, your 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: financial advisor, not your doctor, not your We're just too 9 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: really smart, adorable brown girls who you know just give 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: some advice here and there. But it's meant to be 11 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: taken with a grain of salt and for you to 12 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: lean into the professionals that you pay. Did you see 13 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: that there was a message of Mandy from a Brand 14 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: and Vision listener who's an attorney who was asking us 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: some financial question. But she was like, sidebar, I love 16 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: your disclaimer as an attorney. 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: Listen, thank you because you born yesterday, girl, no enough 18 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 2: to know not how ticket to how not ticket suit exactly. 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: All right, So we take about two questions. Last week 20 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: we had my friend Jason on Happy Moddy, Happy Life, 21 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: Go listen to that episode and Bakeway, which he stayed 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: and joined. This week, manageer is back, so we're going 23 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: to take two career questions. First question is by somebody 24 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: named Transcendent Teachable Tammy t T T three T all 25 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: right see you. Three T says Hey, lovely brown ladies 26 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: in ded we are. I recently started listening to your 27 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: podcast and I love it. I have a few questions. First, 28 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: Miss Tiffany, do you offer any remote internships because I 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: would love to learn and shadow you. Plus it will 30 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: be it will help me get hands on skills for 31 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: my degree in marketing that I'm currently working towards. Well, 32 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not currently less. I'm looking for internship, 33 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: but girl, you can always shoot me a message. Go 34 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: to the budget lista dot com and there's like a 35 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: contact me button you never know, like send me like 36 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: your resume, you never know. I really want to intern 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: with a black owned business that I am passionate about 38 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: supporting because we do have some a position that's open 39 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: for community support. Like I'm looking for like a community manager, 40 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: like community as in like I have my online Facebook 41 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: group and I have a Mighty Networks screw, I have 42 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: my Patreon group, so I want someone to do that. 43 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's something you interested in girl anyway. Okay, 44 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: So then my finance question is how do you bounce 45 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: back from getting laid off from retail work? I was 46 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: previously a full time assistant merchandise manager and visual merchandiser, 47 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: and now I'm a part time remote stylist. As I 48 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: previously mentioned, I'm in college for marketing. I guess I'm 49 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: asking for tips on how to career change from retail 50 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: to marketing PS. I'm twenty five engaged with two children, 51 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: ages one and four. 52 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: For added context, if that helps. 53 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: Three t yes, I know. 54 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: So. 55 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: Actually this is a this is a really good manage 56 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: for question, so I love it. 57 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: Yes. Also, you lived a lot of life for twenty 58 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: five year old girls, career transition babies engaged. I love that. 59 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, get it done early. Right. No, Well, first, 60 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 2: my heart goes out to you because getting laid off 61 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: is never is never something that you know. It's just 62 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: something that can set you back and make you feel bad. 63 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: So I just want to acknowledge that that it sucks. 64 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 2: I'm glad that you've been able to find some part 65 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: time work at least. My first question is, well, my 66 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: first statement is that I think your question to Tiffany 67 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: is exactly what my advice would be for you. If 68 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: there's anyone who's in college or studying a degree trying 69 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: to get some kind of internship, either while you're getting 70 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: your degree or right after, but ideally before you graduate 71 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: is hands down the best because you're going to just 72 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: like every new college grad, you're going to go out 73 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: into the world and you're going to be up against 74 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: people who have gotten a little bit of work experience, 75 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: which is going to lead recruiters and may hire managers 76 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: to look at your resume and say, cool, you have 77 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: a degree. That's cute, but where's your experience. The good 78 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: thing is that you do have some professional experience, so 79 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: and the fact that you were merchandising manager. I too 80 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: had a career in retail. I worked for all like 81 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: gap calls, I know, assistant merchandising managers. 82 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: Like. 83 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: There is some marketing aspect that goes into that because 84 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: you can select sort of what hits the floor and 85 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: what's trending and all of that. So I think that 86 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 2: you actually are a little bit of ahead because you 87 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: do have some experience professionally. So, but for you as 88 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: a marketer, I don't know what like specific kind of 89 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 2: marketing you're in, like as an advertising, as a marketer, 90 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: I would use your resume as your first project. How 91 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 2: can we like, how can you brand yourself and position yourself? 92 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: Position the experience you have to appeal from someone trying 93 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: to hire from a marketing role. You know, and internships 94 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: are amazing. If you and you mentioned you want to 95 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: intern with a black owned business that you're passionate about supporting, 96 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 2: there's always professionalists. There's usually a professional association with like 97 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: major industries. I know, for like me and journalism, there's 98 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: the National Association of Black Journalists. I'm sure there is 99 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: the equivalent for like marketing professionals. And this same way 100 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: that you know you're reaching out to Tiffany because you've 101 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: seen the great work that she does, you can do 102 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 2: that for others as well, and continue doing this outreach, 103 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 2: get your resume polished, and then you know, send them out. 104 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: That's exactly how I found my virtual assistant. You know, 105 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 2: she was like, here's my resume. I love to work 106 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: with you, and you know, have some patience because it 107 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: may take a while to find the right fit. But 108 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: don't stop the hunt. I would say for a good internship, 109 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 2: just to get that additional experience on your resume. Let 110 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: me think, and in the meantime, the do the work 111 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: that you need to do to make your you know, 112 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 2: pay your bills and as a remote stylist, Like again, 113 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: that can be something you can put on your resume 114 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: and maybe you'll be able to segue into a career 115 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: that includes some retail or fashion element because whenever you're pivoting, 116 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: like from one sector to the next, I like to 117 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: find like a commonality or something that can be the bridge. 118 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: And I feel like for you that could be your 119 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: experience in retail and merchandising and maybe fashion and so 120 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: an agency or a company that dabbles in that world 121 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: or deals in that world, they would look at your 122 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: resume and may that may appeal to them, like, oh, 123 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: she doesn't have exactly this experience in this you know 124 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 2: what we're hiring for, but she has this like she 125 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: understands the merchandise, she understands retail, she understands fashion, et cetera. 126 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: Anything to add to But that's what I would say 127 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 2: for you, miss transcendent teachable Tammy. 128 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: Oh, I feel like you covered, but to your point, yes, 129 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: like internship, Like if I'm looking to hire someone for 130 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: any position, you know, like I'm always looking like now, 131 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: like I said, I'm looking for community manager, and I'd 132 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: love if it's not an intern. I'm looking for someone 133 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: who has community manager experience. Ideally, So to Mandy's point, 134 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: the more experienced you can put under your belt. And 135 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: I wouldn't I would not turn my nose up if 136 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: the community manager experience was the internship, you know, because 137 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: it's experience, and so Mandy's right to try to get 138 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: much experience under your belt because also too, you want 139 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: to see what you like, you know, like like you 140 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: might work with me and be like, ooh, so I 141 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: really don't like that. I didn't realize I don't like 142 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: digital marketing or I don't like marketing this capacity. Now 143 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: I know, so I can start to you know, it's 144 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: better to learn, you know, earlier on so you can 145 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: pivot to what you do enjoy than to wait too 146 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: until it's too late. But I think Mandy gave really 147 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: great advice, so you wash, she well triple T. 148 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 2: I think about my cousin too, Anna Banana, because she's 149 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: she moved in with me a couple of years ago 150 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: and she has just blossomed but she was studying She 151 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: is studying healthcare administration, and she was working in restaurants 152 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: like doing like waitress hosting jobs, and I was really 153 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: encouraging her to start looking for a role within like 154 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: what she wanted to do, which is like she wants 155 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: to be in the medspa sort of space as an 156 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: industry and do admin side. And it took her a 157 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: long time because of course she didn't have that experience 158 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: on her resume, but she did get a job, like 159 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: I said, at this beautiful spa in our area. And 160 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: I was like, that's what you need on your resume 161 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: even before you graduate, so that by the time you 162 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: graduate with your healthcare administration degree, like that, you're gonna 163 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: have like a double whammy. You're gonna have the experience 164 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: of working in that kind of environment, you know, plus 165 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: the education. So I think, yeah, just reiterating what I said, 166 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: but I wish you all the best squeezos, cute little babies. 167 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: That's gonna be me before soon I'll be You have 168 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: a four year old and a one year old, so 169 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: be anny tips. Sure you have tips for me? Oh lordy, 170 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: maybe B twenty five and not thirty five, so you 171 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: like are not. Your body isn't breaking down as you go. 172 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 2: All right, thank you so much, Tammy. All right, let's 173 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: take a quick break and we'll be right back with 174 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: question number two. This one's really good, especially for listeners 175 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: who are more what do we call mature, our mature audience, 176 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: a seasoned season. Yes, all right, va fan, we are back. 177 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: I'm doing career questions today for b a Q and 178 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: A so excited. This question really hit like a chord 179 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: for me. Struck a chord for me because a lot 180 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 2: of my I like when I branched out as a 181 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: career coach, TIF Like I posted on Instagram, you know, 182 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: is anyone wanting well, I didn't even know if I 183 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 2: was going to be a career coach. I was like, 184 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: can I do this thing? So I posted if anyone 185 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: wants a free half hour session, fill out this form. 186 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: I got two hundred responses, and one of the trends 187 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: that I saw immediately was I was expecting and I 188 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: was so happy. I love talking to seasoned women, like 189 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: women who have had a career, whether they're changing it 190 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: or they're like maybe ten fifteen years into their career, 191 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: they're trying to get to that next level or they're 192 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: trying to pivot, and I was worried that maybe I 193 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: would attract like because people think your career choices happen 194 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: after college when you're twenty two. But I know there's 195 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: so many of us going through like these periods of 196 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: transition or a thirties, forties, fifties, and I was getting 197 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: I got so many responses from women in their forties 198 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 2: and fifties, and this question it just feels like something 199 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: that you know, I've talked about with so many women 200 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: who were, you know, like you said, more seasoned, and 201 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: they have this fear of agism and how that can 202 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 2: impact you. So all right, I'll shut up now. But 203 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: this question is from what did she say? So discouraged 204 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: but not giving up yet in Baltimore? Okay, all right, 205 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: let me jump in. All right, she says Mandy and 206 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: Tiffany mandra in. Tiffany, I love your podcast. You're both fabulous. 207 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: I just graduated from college in twenty twenty with a 208 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: BA in English in a specialization in professional writing. It 209 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: was the culmination of many years of college off and on. 210 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: The Thing is, I'm fifty two years old now, and 211 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: age is real. Although I have over twenty five years 212 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: of administrative work experience, no one will give me a 213 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: chance as a copywriter. I've begun creating my own website 214 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: to feature some content, but I haven't been consistent with it. 215 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: I'm thinking that if I get that up and running 216 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 2: with some content, that might show potential employers or clients 217 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 2: that I do have the skills needed to do well 218 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: in a role as a copywriter. I'm so very discouraged 219 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: right now. I mistakenly thought that I would have no 220 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: problem getting a job in copywriting after I graduated. Mandy, 221 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: I know that you have been a copywriter. What would 222 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 2: you suggest? Not having any internships really has seemed to 223 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 2: hurt me. Do I need to go to grad school 224 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: at a and at my age? Will that even makes sense? 225 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 2: How can I who is really considered oldish? Tiffany always 226 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: calls herself oldish, but Tiffany, you are definitely not. How 227 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 2: can I land a job as a copywriter or content writer. 228 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: There's many of us who didn't graduate from college in 229 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: our twenties. I was fifty when I graduated, and now 230 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: at fifty two, I still have dreams and goals to 231 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: go get Yes, there are so many of us that 232 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: are fifty and older who have them. I know I'm rambling, 233 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: so i'll end it here. Oh she's a Tiffany Patreon mentee, 234 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 2: my mentor and maybe any to sign a person coaching 235 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: for Mandy two. I'm so freaking proud of you both. 236 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: Oh you're the sweetest. You two are badasses. Love you both, Okay, 237 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: love you too. Wow. Yeah, so first and foremost amazing 238 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 2: of you too, pat And I know it's so hard, 239 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: like to finish your degree and to have finish it 240 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty after years of off and on. That's 241 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: an accomplishment. You should really really feel proud. But I 242 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 2: think what you're running into is exactly you know, is 243 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: that the marketplace doesn't necessarily it may not be about 244 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: your age. It's about probably the experience on your resume, 245 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: like we're just talking about with Tammy and the previous question, 246 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: not having any clips like examples of content that you've 247 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: written professionally could be hurting you. I'm just shocked that 248 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: you would be able to go through a professional writing 249 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: program and they wouldn't give you opportunities to work for 250 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: or freelance for outlets like that's mind boggling to me. 251 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 2: But it looks like that was the case for you. 252 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: So whatever you can do to get some freelance assignments, 253 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 2: I agree. I don't think you need to have like 254 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: a full fleshed out website, but at least have like 255 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: a PDF where you have examples of your work. You may, 256 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 2: you know, take some lower hanging fruit assignments from outlets 257 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: that can't pay you amazingly just to start getting some clips. 258 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: Join Facebook groups for freelance writers. I know when I 259 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: was I started out as a journalist, but also I 260 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: ran a content team of like and I worked with 261 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: thirty staff, but I also had hundreds of freelancers. We 262 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: needed a lot of freelancers to create our articles and 263 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 2: to help edit them. And it's copywriting, like, it's not 264 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: sexy editorial magazine writing, it's like what is a mortgage? Like, 265 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: it's technical writing, like what you've been trained to do. 266 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 2: And we are not the only ones doing that. So 267 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: I would say one of my favorite ways to recruit 268 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: freelancers and find them was to go on Facebook groups. 269 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: There's literally a Facebook group called Binders full of freelance writers. 270 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: And then what about niching down, Like, is there something? 271 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: Because you've got you probably have lots of work experience 272 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: that you haven't mentioned here, But do you have any 273 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: particular knowledge and any in any specific subject area. When 274 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: I niche down and started focusing on finance and career, 275 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: more opportunities opened up to me because there were fewer 276 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: of me out there, if that makes sense. Like it's 277 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: like Tiffany's analogy, my favorite one about if I'm on 278 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 2: a plane and there's Denzel Washington or a heart surgeon 279 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: and I have a heart attack. I don't care about 280 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 2: Denzel like I want the niche. I want the person 281 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 2: who spent a million hours in the in the operating room. 282 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: Is that your Is that I messed that up? Okay, 283 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: I'd be listening. So if you can, if you can 284 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: lean on that experience, it's really about like well, like 285 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 2: I said to Tammy, like marketing yourself. If you say, okay, 286 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: I've worked in I'm just going to make it up. 287 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: If I've worked in the food and beverage industry for 288 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: the last twenty years, Okay, what food and beverage companies 289 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 2: have content needs? You know, who have blogs, who have 290 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 2: articles or trade publications, and how can you start pitching 291 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: yourself to those publications based on your experience, plus you 292 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: have a degree as a professional writer. You see, it's 293 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: like trying to find what makes you special and unique 294 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: and then pursuing what you want to do through that, 295 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: through that narrow lens, which I know can sound challenging 296 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: when like you're just like I just want a job, 297 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: Like I'll write about lawn care if someone will have me. 298 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: That's fine. But I do encourage you, especially as a writer, 299 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: to find your niche and then become indisposable to your clients, 300 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: you know, if you're willing to do that kind of 301 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: like esoteric professional writing. That's not sexy, but that does 302 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: make companies a lot of money and helps them sell 303 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: their services like I did for so many years. Like 304 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: it's hard to find writers who specialize in some of 305 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: these like really niche topics and girl and we paid 306 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 2: well for people who'd write about faha loans and they 307 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: would they would get into the nitty gritty weeds of 308 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: like Veterans Association, you know, fine print to find out 309 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: what are the rates for VA loans and reverse mortgages 310 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: and like all this stuff. Niche down, niche down, niche down. 311 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 2: That's my main, my main tip for you and beautiful 312 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: like and I agree, like, there's so many of y'all 313 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 2: who have goals in your fifties and mean dead honestly, 314 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: like people like Viola Davis. It's no excuse to not 315 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 2: be fabulous. I guess in your fifties and sixties. 316 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: Anything you would add to kind of copywriting needs, well, 317 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. So Logan on my team 318 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: is my copywriter. But when Logan first came, she she 319 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: worked in like customer support, and she did such a 320 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: good job. Then she got a promotion to like like 321 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: kind of managing customer support. And then I just said, 322 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: because when someone does a really good job with me, 323 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: I like to know, what do you want to do? 324 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: And she was like, honestly, I love researching and I've 325 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: always wanted to learn. And she didn't know how to copyright. 326 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: So myself and Jambrell Jabrill's are also a very good copywriter. 327 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: We took her under our wing and showed her what 328 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: we knew, and then she took She didn't go to 329 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: school for copywriting, but she took it to the next level. 330 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: To your point, Mandy, she got really good at like 331 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: copywriting as it relates to personal finance, and so Logan 332 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: was really good at it. I think it's going to 333 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: be important that if you are going to build that website, 334 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: which I think is going to be helpful, so someone 335 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: can click on it and say, here's examples of your writing, 336 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: make sure it shows that you know how to mimic voice, 337 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: you know, because that was really critical, Like when you 338 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: there are things when you read like on my social media, 339 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: you're like, I not. Tiffany said it, ninety nine percent 340 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: of chance is Logan. There are So the first year 341 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: took her a while to get used to, like speaking 342 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: the way, writing the way I would write it there. 343 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: And I remember there was a transition when she had 344 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: posted something and I was like, did I write that? 345 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: Because it sounded so much like me? You know, just 346 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: consider that too as you're you know, to Mandy's point, yes, 347 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: they really honed in on financial education, but also showed 348 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: that like they could do it through the voice of like, 349 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, a male voice, a female voice. African American told, 350 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, like that would be really helpful to let 351 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: me know that this is someone who can, who can 352 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: who's not just going to write and it's just this 353 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: generic thing. The real, real powerful copywriting speaks to the 354 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: audience that's listening, and so it's not something that everyone 355 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: can do. Like I know how to speak to my audience, 356 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: but for logan to then be me and speak to 357 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: my audience the way I would because I've cultivated my 358 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: audience to listen to the way I speak and speak 359 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: the written word, that's not easy. So you know, that's 360 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: just a little piece of advice. Is then to show 361 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: like you know and practice your skill set. If it 362 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: was me, because I love, love, love practicing on other 363 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: people's businesses, I would be copywriting for other people's businesses 364 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: who have not hired me, not even to submit it. 365 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: I'd be like, you know what, like this is what 366 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: I do in general. When I see someone's ad or whatever, 367 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: I redo it, like I. 368 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: Just did the same thing I saw. I got a 369 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 2: really good email and I was like, wait a minute, 370 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: let me study this. 371 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: Yes, structure this yes, or like literally, if I see 372 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: a billboard, I'll say, hmm, you know, the quality action 373 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: is not clear, the website's too small. If it was me. 374 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: So if it was me, I would be copywriting like 375 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: if you see you know, someone's like let's just say 376 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: for example mine for like I don't know the Patreon 377 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: min I don't think we have to ads for that, 378 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: maybe Literature Academy, And you might be like, you know what, 379 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: if I was going to rewrite this, this is how 380 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: I would do it, So you might want to do 381 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: that too, is to rewrite people's ads so you can 382 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: get the practice of what it looks like to successfully write. 383 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: But yeah, especially with new entrepreneurs, all these entrepreneurs that 384 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: are most of them don't know how to write. They 385 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: don't understand that copywriting as a critical component to grow 386 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: in their business. 387 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: So not to interrupt or to interrupt. There's like a 388 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 2: hard a Harvard or some fancy college research study that 389 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: just came out saying the number one skill of successful 390 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: business leaders is writing. Yes, like that's what separates success. 391 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: And I'm like, wow, writing is truly like I couldn't 392 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 2: do anything that I do all the emails, the communications, 393 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: sharing a clear and concise message like you've got the skills, 394 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: Like Tiffany said that, Yeah, I just wanted to say that. 395 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: Yeah that, So many people are like wait. 396 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: Or if you let's just say what would impress me, Mandy? 397 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: Imagine if that you get an email and say, hey, 398 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: I'm a copywriter above a body love to write for you, 399 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: I actually rewrote the email that you just sent, or 400 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: I wrote an AD the way I thought. I would 401 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: be like, wait a minute. I would take it to 402 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: my team and be like, logan, this is really good. 403 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: Let's at least call her in. So if you sent 404 00:19:58,680 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: me in. 405 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 2: My ego would be like, you rewrote my email, no 406 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 2: but meaning. 407 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: Or even let's just say that we wrote it. Or 408 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: and I wrote an email that would be similar to 409 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: something you would send out, or wrote an ad for 410 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: the Literature Academy, I would be really impressed because I 411 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: could clearly see how you can fit into my organization. 412 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: So consider that too. If there are people that you 413 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: admired you'd like to work for to like write an email, 414 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: an AD or whatever, so they're like they literally it's 415 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: almost like you when you're purchasing a homemany and it's staged. 416 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: You know, stage homes go for thirty percent more and 417 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: more likely to be sold because you're like, oh, I 418 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: could use this as a baby room, and this could 419 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: be my office because you can see the things in 420 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: there versus just this blank canvas. So consider that too. 421 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: So hopefully this was helpful you guys, b a QA 422 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: career segment. 423 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 2: If you've got. 424 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: Questions about a career, entrepreneurship, business, personal finance, you have 425 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: come to the right place, honey, because me and Mandy 426 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: be doing all of it, Okay, all of it, and 427 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: so we're going to share, you know. Like So, if 428 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: you've got questions, you can hit us up on Brownabisch 429 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: and podcast on dot com. You can go to Brown 430 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: and Bish Podcasts at gmail dot com and send us 431 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: an email. 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